That Time I Met A Murderer II ft. Bailey Sarian | Morbid | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and I'm Bailey saryan and this is morbid [Music] it's a special episode guys we have
Bailey back on the show you remember Bailey yay I'm so happy to be here we are so happy to have you back excited
Bailey's like here I'm here I'm in your home in the flesh in the Pod lab yes it's so cool to meet you guys in person
I know this feels so crazy I know I feel like we should have like a screen separating I know we'll kind of doing
behind this mic I can't really see you that's true thank you for inviting me back of course
I love you guys so much I love your podcast you guys are killing it thank you don't ever give up believe in
yourself oh my God I'm rooting for you same for you man thanks to your shed already and we're done and that's it see
you later thanks for tuning in this is our episodes more bed but positivity I love that you know and this it's so
weird because I feel like we've already met in person I know it's like that strange feeling of like well I know you
right yeah when I was coming over here I was like we've met yeah you're like I'm just
going over your house yeah of course well we haven't we haven't here we are but now and I love your home thank you
thank you for inviting me into your place you are always welcome in my place thanks
you need to throw a huge Halloween rager here oh yeah yeah it's so spooky right yes it's so spooky oh yeah across the
street from a cemetery hello yeah party dream that's the dream you can go party with the cemetery after that's what sold
me on this place I was like well there's a cemetery that's actually very true she
texted me and was like there's a cemetery I think we should get it did you feel like it's kind of haunted it is
it's super old like not that well the house isn't like crazy old not as old but it's an Old Town yeah actually oh no
I can't tell that statistic because it will give us away exactly you know what don't triangulators
yeah I love the street you're like naming everything you're good I was not thinking of a fact
that would literally give us completely yeah I'll tell you after we got it but you know what today we're gonna do
we're gonna do something fun we're gonna do some listener Tales yeah you know because listener Tales are brought to
you by you for you from you and all about you snaps for that you always do it right I
try every time every time you know it's easy to remember I made it you know I make a lot of things up though and I
still [ __ ] them up that's true but you know what that relatable we had to start
this episode like three times because I couldn't get the idea that there were three of us in the room and not two well
I mean to be fair it's kind of hard it's just you two forever it's true and now that I'm just here like hey remember I'm
here hello yeah that's okay all right thank you I appreciate that but you know we're gonna
start this off with um an intense one yay because this one includes Jerry brudos that's a lot which
I we haven't covered Jerry Bruno so you haven't no he's like one of those that I've been waiting to cover yeah because
you got to be in the right frame of mind to cover that guy yeah yeah yeah you got
to be in the right place remind me Jerry's a shoe guy he's the shoe guy yeah yeah a little weirdo yeah he's a
real weirdo but this one's called OG listener tale my mom dated a serial killer someone on your future topic
agenda so they knew they knew it's on my future topic agenda it says Hey chicas where do I start you can use my name
which is Meredith and yes I love my name too I was never one of those kids that decided to use my middle name or
something attached is a double space 13 Point PDF attached for the story I've teased it's not a super PDF they didn't
write putipur it's always PDF terrible I'm sorry it's not super long so I won't apologize for the length it comes in
around eight minutes of reading time that's the new thing that our listeners our listeners are doing for us is
they're being like this is about 14 minutes of reading time they're beautiful people
kind and they're doing a double space because I can't see anything that's how I am right it's pretty good yeah yeah so
that's pretty they work with us they put in the work what a great Community yeah
they're just they're a part of these episodes uh they also gave us a pronunciation guide wow which these
subscribers are screwing me over here they want me to mispronounce you everything now you see everything wrong
yeah I think that's why we got here yeah exactly they were like you know what I'm
gonna help you out with this oh you're right they're like we feel bad yeah they're like you guys can't say the
struggle for some reason yeah you know but this one the apparently the town is called Corvallis thank you for that uh
to be extra clear that is a hard Oregon R organ or Oregon it's Oregon it's Oregon Trail that's why I know it's
Oregon but it's Oregon Trail exactly okay remember when they read me to filth for how I said Oregon before Oregon
Trail actually read us to filth on Twitter the actual or Oregon Trail game it was like it's organ and I was like
get out of here oh oh wait you really say Oregon yeah well I used to oh it's Oregon but when I
refer to the game it's Oregon Trail how come because I grew up saying Oregon traffic okay that's fair and I think we
grew up saying Oregon I was gonna say I always said Oregon because my dad used to live in Oregon and I was like yeah
but it just sounds like a nice shape it does it's actually gone it does everyone
from there is like it's Oregon yeah yeah it's rough how funny okay that's I like
that though but you know what makes you feel has terrible pronounced names too so yeah say Leominster same let's say
say Peabody there you go Oregon Trail The Game come after you they did and the game was like oh that's like joke sees
of course you know yeah that would screenshot and frame that yeah but yeah they were like it's it's no uh
it says my choir teacher and I High School came from Boston and so much disdain for the Oregon r
we hit that consonant hard uh also The Oregonian appears in the story and Ash you've gotten it right
before so I know you got this for your mental health Oregonian equals Oregonian see I said it
right you did but also Regional dialects are a real thing so you do you see thank
you for ending because we're always like Regional dialect stops we say things different
um oh my ever love and whatever it has taken me so long to get this out please be gentle lots of fields involved here
keep it real my lovelies and they touched a bunch of photos but we're gonna get to The Listener too yay it
says dear wonderful weirdos I've listened to you since your first episode and while you've come a long long way I
think you've stayed true to your vision thank you I'm really glad Ash no longer calls herself a trash person whether or
not she's drinking questionable Slurpees but I'm secretly really glad she didn't
cut the cussing like Papa's suggestion suggested you got to keep it real am I right condolences on last year's losses
in this year's early struggles congratulations on the many many 6 successes that you're really sweet oh
thanks specific to Ash and Drew you're doing the damn thing much love to you thank you specific to Elena you're an
inspiration to want to be writers everywhere including me I wanted to write from the time I was nine years old
but I was discouraged because my neurodivergent brain could never decide between first person and third person
narrative that took me yes yes it's hard don't feel bad about that at all because
I struggled with that yeah still struggle with that I feel like I would too I gave
up with it it's hard it's so hard to this day I don't know why we can't just call it second person and call it a day
but that was the late 80s I'm an old broad and I was called weird Daydreamer etc those things are not untrue but I
was also struggling with an undiagnosed learning disability so my husband still thinks I should write one of my personal
Tales into a book but the convicted the convicted creepo is out and walking around so there is possible libel
defamation shoes to consider damn that sucks you can make it like fictional though yeah there you go take some
artistic license with it and then you can write it down boom I say do it I actually have several stories to share
accidental amputation Comedy of Errors stalkers serial rapist encounters see above the guy who is out and about now
oh no damn and I'm not sure how to begin really even after years of considering a
submittal several of the best stories this being one are actually my mom's but she passed
away almost five years ago sad face I'm sorry I'm sorry so some details might be
a tad inaccurate or fuzzy I started writing this the day before what would have been her 80th birthday in October
of 2022. we didn't know 75 would be her last oh I'm sorry so hug your loved ones
kids because grief and regret is the shits grief being complete complicated stuff is why it's taken months on top of
months to get this sent but good for you for sending it I know it's taken me yet
another five months to get this sent and since I've just finished listening to Harvey glapnon part one oof I think
perhaps the time is at hand hint you mentioned one of the main characters on that episode oh yeah because I brought
up you did this man's this man's in any case let's get to the case when I was in
my mid-20s I found out that my mom had dated a serial killer imagine just finding that out no in your mid-20s your
mom's like you know what's funny about my life one time I dated a serial killer all right I'd be so mad right like yeah
why wouldn't you tell me that day one yeah teaching me my ABCs be like by the way
yeah put this away it came up one day in casual conversation super casual right I have
no idea why she told me it told me that she chose to tell me the day that she did Mom was a night owl always had been
growing up if I called to be picked up from school with a tummy ache it typically took a couple calls to get her
on the phone because she was reliably lying down napping relatable years later treatment for a previously undiagnosed
thyroid problem resolved the majority of the excessive napping but she was still
always up late really late like Sunrise late I guess this habit started in her youth probably high school if she could
get away with it Grandpa was a stickler for proper behavior but for certain as a
freshman in college she told me she would sit up at night listening to the radio and smoking cigarettes scandalous
so as a freshman at Oregon State University in Corvallis she would sit up late and listen to a local radio station
and for whatever reason she called the station late one night and spoke to the engineer working the station from what I
recall after several late nights conversations he and my mom decided to meet I love God just like the meat cute
yeah it's like they were chatting on AIM before yeah given that it was 1960 ish it was
probably a very cute conversation where this guy bashfully asked Mom out on a proper date mom told me Jerry had a kind
gentle Pleasant demeanor and a pleasant voice not Cherry can I just take a minute right here to mention how
terrifying it is that this individual presented as kind and gentle yeah you sure can yeah wait did she see how old
she was she was a freshman in college okay okay so she was young so I'm just trying to get the mental in I know
you're like where was this one what's this happen without a picture at all freshman in college while she's sitting
up late night listening to the radio smoking cigs calling in the radio station it's giving me like um now and
then Vibes yeah have you ever seen that movie no but I love the candy yes that is such a great movie
God I think I've seen it but it's I can't remember right now but yeah yeah yeah this it's also making me think of
an urban legend Terry Reed being like the radio operator yep like late at night people calling in and asking like
really raunchy questions I love that movie and I love her in that movie She's So Good okay I'm gonna watch it she's
underrated in that movie yeah okay yeah she's [ __ ] phenomenal in that that was like the height of Tara Reid oh yeah
big time that was like American Pie tarot reads uh but we digress this is where details get really fuzzy mom and
Jerry went out at least twice I don't know what the order was and what they did on one or of what I believe was only
two dates but on the date on the date I know about they drove to the coast together they drove to the coast
together yikes because Corvallis is only 53 miles of winding rural Highway away incidentally Highway 20 is the longest
highway in the United States starting in Newport and ending 3151 0.3 miles later in Boston whoa look at
that but I digress I'm only guessing that this is the beach they ended up at because it was the shortest route to the
coast the point being that they spent an extended period of time alone in a car with him as he drove on Rural highways
that is really scary rural highways that to this day have long solitary stretches
that outside of busy holiday weekends when everyone and their cousin and their cousin's best friend decide to escape to
the coast are relatively solitary places so here's my sweet little mama all five
foot two of her alone on a road trip in a car with someone who someday will be arrested as a serial killer and here I
am today to tell you about it because he evidently hadn't started killing yet oh
that's crazy so imagine she like realizes it later and she's like he hadn't even killed anybody yet but he
was like that might have been like working in his mind thinking about it on that car ride was he like practicing
something like was she an almost victim oh that's freaky up if I wasn't her mom maybe that's why
she's a late night owl full circle he's keeping her up because I always think about that with these
kind of stories is like you are must be constantly thinking that every second that you were with that person you got
away with your life oh totally totally it could have been totally different because my thought too is like these
serial killers and stuff they don't just randomly one day decide to kill it's something that they build up to so
almost like like he was something was marinating up there right you know like he was probably yeah he was thinking
about it probably yeah why not I mean like he was he would like bring them back to his house yeah he's a rough one
I wonder what the conversation was like I know you know and at that point he was
definitely going through it because he he's the one that has all these like issues from childhood yeah that he
brought into adulthood so he was like smack dab in the middle of his like traumatic issues here yeah and that's a
shoe thing I was just gonna say imagine if he had complimented her shoes I know I wonder
these shoes and that's why he didn't exactly that could be the thing that saved her yeah
she's wearing like clogs that was important so it could have been it yeah all comes down it does thank goodness
she got away with it scary right mom told me that they didn't go out more than a couple of times and that while he
seemed nice enough he was a little soft and homely definitely homely you know what I agree with her he was definitely
homely not a cute guy and so she just wasn't attracted to him makes sense since she ended up with my dad who was
movie star handsome with broad muscular shoulders and abs before ABS were cool get it your dad yeah
pour one out for your dad seriously though go look later at images of this guy and you you can but I don't
recommend it yeah um and then compare him to say oh my God I was picturing Paul Newman when she said her dad yes
who is that oh what's he from look up Paul Newman okay yeah um have you ever had his salad
dressings baby oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and yeah he's like very handsome old movie stars let's see
um Paul Newman from Cool Hand Luke with with golden blonde curly hair with crystal blue eyes that's about what my
dad looked like just saying so when I say she thought Jerry was homely she knew she could do better keep your tits
and standards High ladies great advice um there are pictures for you attached to the email of my teeny mama and my
handsome dad there are puppies too for funsies I love that people just send us pictures of their pets it's the best
like they'll tell us a horrific story and they'll be like but here's a picture of my puppy
thank you some of the listeners may have already figured out that I am referring to the
one the only drum roll please Jerome brutos of such hits as lust Killer by Anne Rule and episodes 281 and 282 of
last podcast on the left where Henley Henry specifically says that Jerry couldn't get a date so when he met his
wife he married her ASAP but I know and now you do too that wasn't entirely true
welcome to my mom's secret my mom's smart pretty and from a good family went away to college and went out with this
nut bag and what I believe was Autumn of 1960. stories indicate he married Darcy
in 1961. so it was likely within a year after he and my mom went out into the best of our true crime buff communities
knowledge and we know quite a bit about this guy but also starting startlingly little he didn't start killing until
several years later but we also know that he'd been a sexual sadist from a very very young age and somehow there
but for the grace I guess my mom was left completely untouched and happily ignorant until she got up to get the
paper one morning in the spring of 1969 and this is how she described that oh my
God she and my dad had been married about three and a half years they lived on a semi-rural piece of property rural
is so hard to say I hate that really hard every time I say it I have to like I'm like
and you like see it coming in the sentence I was like I have to like jog in place
for a second to get it right um on the edge of what one day would be a flourishing affluent suburb just a few
miles from downtown Portland Oregon my dad had gone to work that morning and Mom slept in as was her routine but when
she got up and wandered down the driveway to get The Oregonian Oregonian Oregon Oregonian yeah well now I don't
[ __ ] Oregon people oregonians because Oregonian would mean we're saying yeah it's Oregonian uh yes you're
pronouncing it right she said thank you out of the paper box she unfolded it to find what she described as a six inch
high lettered headline screaming about a killer being caught and below that was a
picture of the man she'd been alone with a time or two she said she immediately fell apart I don't blame her and with no
one else home she ran across the street to the nearest neighbor who confronted her as she trauma cried or comforted her
comforted her he confronted her why are you crying stop it it's the 60s there's no crying in baseball that's really all
I know and mom made it clear that she never wanted to discuss this at length clearly the very idea that she had been
in such close contact with a man that could have ended her life or at least have changed it dramatically was she
just more than what she was just more than what she wanted to dwell on it may also be that because of the era in which
mom was raised she carried some shame from the very fact that she went out with this monster which is pretty [ __ ]
up a very victim-bleamy kind of vibe super gross yeah or maybe it was even survivor's guilt because she made it out
alive of the Casual relationship they had part of me feels like I'm betraying mom by sharing this and part of me feels
like I'm freeing her from the burden I think it's the letter me too either way if she were still with us it would be
her story to share but she's not so let us all release her from these misplaced emotions that she carried your release
Mama totally really happy belated birthday Mom I love and miss you forever so keep it weird my friends but not so
weird that you innocently accept a date with a total monster and then carry a secret shame for 48 years never ever
ever keep it that weird never damn wow that was wild Meredith that was what a story really sweet that was oh my God it
was so sweet your parents were so cute and he does look like Paul another dad is a handsome movie star
there you go thank you for that Meredith I know and happy belated birthday to your mama yeah and I'm glad she survived
that seriously my God yeah that was wild I wonder if she had a good there's so many questions you know I know because
you wonder like did she get a gut feeling was there any feeling that she was ignoring weird like what yeah why
didn't she go out with him again that's what I wonder like the last date they went on like did something happen that
left a weird taste in her mouth because he was homely and if you look at life if
you look at the man she married like yeah she knew she could do better there but it's like was there also something
that just told her yeah or maybe he just had a shitty Personality yeah all of it yeah all the above yeah you
know it's true yeah like he was a charmer at first like they usually are and then when you find out who they
really are you're like wow you suck yeah because he definitely was not cute no wow yeah no it's not a good situation I
think your mom made the best choice she could have I think she should she came out on top she did yeah all right that's
so scary that was I wonder like how you would feel afterwards I never really thought about that too much like reading
that headline yeah you know like I would probably do what you did which is just like birthday like also you probably
would have survivor's guilds yeah because you're like why did I yeah how did I not see that yeah I just saved
people if I would have said something yeah even though you have to take that off of you of course but like that's
what survivor's guilt yeah it is at its core is like something that you should never feel because you did nothing wrong
but like you inherently feel because you're like did I ignore a feeling I feel like it would just be very
confusing like I just feel like I don't know how to feel yeah yeah or you probably talk yourself out of it like no
that wasn't the same guy like there's no way yeah yeah yeah same look and everything
but apparently he was good on the phone all right that's the thing I feel like that happens a lot I feel like then
people like get in front of you and you're like wait was that the same person that I was talking to this whole
time that's what it is you know like back when I was on the apps and stuff and I would talk to people and then
you're like when I was on the app what is this and it's just like nothing nothing there
yeah you're like was I talking to like your talented cousin or something yeah you're good with words cousin oh my God
this makes me so happy that I never had to do the yeah consider yourself yeah I would not recommend it says you're not
recommend hearing the horror stories I'm like my gosh yeah the warrior I'm very glad that I went back with Drew and
figured that yeah out because it worked out and now I don't have to do that for you guys yeah thanks I'm out here on the
dating app struggling you're a warrior yeah you're a warrior over here it's real bad I can only imagine everyone's
creepy too yeah like I'm paranoid everyone's a killer in my eyes oh absolutely pick someone that's the thing
I know right it's hard you just have to go out with them and just like a very very public place I know and
then there's that fear of like do they know who I am yeah especially like in your position I'm sure it's scary yeah I
know that's a much stranger yeah like Avenue with all that yeah dating [Laughter]
all right are we ready for the next one heck yeah my best I need glasses but I'm
like regretting no it's not that I'm regretting I'm putting off getting glasses I don't know if I'm ready all
right yeah I think you would look great with glasses no no makeup yeah that's true anyways try my
best my grandmother was taking grad school classes at bu educational sleigh back in
the 60s okay back in the 60s and she was temporarily staying with a friend and her roommate in the Back Bay Area one
night after a long evening of jazz or whatever they did in the 60s [Laughter] door into the apartment and some guy
tried following her in he said he was there to meet a friend and was hoping that she would let him
upstairs no my grandmother is nice but she's also an Aries Italian and from New England a trifecta oh damn my husband
has two out of the three of those and I can tell you what can you tell us because to me I'm like what does that
mean Aries they're not gonna they don't they don't take [ __ ] no oh really yeah
[ __ ] and they're not gonna just need those around me yeah they're not just gonna trust you right off the bat okay
okay they got their walls up and New England and New England New englanders no [ __ ] basically it's just like if
we don't like you we don't like it so her grandmother is a no [ __ ] woman oh yeah it's a very go [ __ ] yourself God I
love that okay good for her um so she's actually not that nice yeah there you go
finish the sentence right and they said that not Bailey yeah um side note I felt like you guys would
appreciate everyone in my family is a fire sign oh wow three generations grandparents parents my brother and me
damn I'm telling you because when I tell them they say they don't believe in astrology and resume yelling quote
passionately across the table they're fire signs man so she gets behind the door and she
makes sure it's locked through it she starts grilling him with questions about who he's here to see and what floor do
they live on eventually she gets a bad Vibe she tells him to [ __ ] off and runs upstairs
her remains stewing on the sidewalk unfortunately this wouldn't be the last time at the apartment
shortly after my grandmother leaves grad school to start her career and moves back home to CT can I connect it I've
got that while she was home she got the news at her friend's roommate had been murdered
in her apartment in the apartment oh damn oh my God like the actual apartment yeah yeah she got the news at her
friend's roommate had been oh oh my God she had been strangled with nylons as many of his victims were I'm not going
to share her name out of respect from the family but most of the info is online oh I'm not sure if my grandmother
put two and two together when the murder happened but when they caught him years
later and released his picture her blood went cold it was without a doubt the guy
who tried to follow her inside oh my [ __ ] oh my God and then you wonder was he going in there to find her of course
because she didn't let him in probably yeah I would literally just move I wouldn't even grab my stuff
oh no just leave you can have it oh my God that stuff has bad Boston Strangler energy all those scenes were
horrific he left in those places just a nightmare oh my God how terrifying she goes on to say always trust your gut
yep and maybe don't be nice to everyone definitely don't honestly facts I know me too and it's such it's something I've
learned at such a nice a young age to just be kind and nice and respect to everybody and sometimes unfortunately
that means you let people walk all over yeah in a way because you just don't want to like it's just anybody yeah
manners yeah we were all taught that yeah when you're like you need to be kind you need to be nice and it's like
it's like my Achilles heel I feel like yeah you know because it's the same right it just can't be a blanket
statement anymore and it's like it can't be like you always have to be kind you always have to be polite it's like no
like when somebody earns it you be kind like don't be outwardly mean right out of the gate no but you assess the
situation being Aries Italian New Englander exactly yeah I've noticed since dating it's been
like I just even though like someone will say something real rude I just give them time to like keep going some being
polite and I'm like why am I still being polite like I just leave yeah like it's
something I have to completely unlearn I want to channel this lady it's hard I'm
gonna Channel my New England hell yeah Italian what was the other one there you go Channel it anyways maybe don't be
nice to everyone no I'm gonna put that on a shirt especially if you don't feel safe and
you're not causing them harm it's better to just uh it's better to just have them
think you're a [ __ ] yeah yeah you might even find that deep down hey you were a
[ __ ] all along a smiley face I love that thank you both for reading love you and your podcast so much
Quinn thanks Quinn Quinn what a story you have the nicest little uh subscribers oh they're the best oh
they're so sweet are like the these listener Tales like feed our souls totally because they
write the nicest thing wait we gotta get Grandma on the line here I need some more oh yeah oh my God poor thing
because that's another thing where it's like you would feel this Survivor guilt or you feel this like how did I get out
of that like how did I get out of that apartment or just like imagining that you were there like yeah that you looked
probably would have done it to her like what would have happened if she was saying if she went with that whole be
nice to everyone be polite don't be a [ __ ] she would have let him in the building see that's what that part is
what keeps me up at night it's like I gotta learn to like set my put my foot down because I don't I'm scared of that
[ __ ] yeah right because it really is better like what she said it's better people can think you're a [ __ ] you know
what you are yeah that's what I always say you want to think I'm a [ __ ] that's
fine I know what I am and you're safe at that and I'm safe yeah and I guess that's all that matters exactly exactly
that's all I'm safe and you know who you are so that's all that matters facts I'm putting this next one into a PDF
because I can't read so just wait for a second this happens every once in a while we're like Vamp until I put it in
a PDF okay we are good all right so our next tale is called listener Tales I also met
a murderer I love that it's like I also did that which is so easy because that's
the theme here today I don't even know if we said that at the beginning actually oh yeah so the theme today is
probably the title of the episode so maybe you guys got it you knew what you're in for because we're doing
another installment of high metal area yeah I don't know why I said how like it was happening like How I Met Your Mother
yeah yeah how I met a murderer actually yeah there you go I'd watch that yeah yeah and at the end we should
make them don't get it out there yeah take that that's our IP you can't have it that's what we discovered we're like
that's legal right when we say TM you can't take it yeah yeah we'll find out all right so it says that
time I stole the Taco Bell name tag from the guy I sat behind in high school government class to pin on my backpack
and he ended up robbing and murdering someone wow that's like a series of events I never would have put together I
hate that Taco Bell had to make its way into that because I love Taco but talk about so good we got Taco Bell last
Friday it was the best decision we ever made I was having a bad day and I was like I was saying Mikey's dying because
I was like was it Friday when I was like I am a goblin yeah like I just felt like
a goblin that day you know you just wake up and you're like I'm a goblin like nothing's gonna be right I'm a tree but
that's okay you're a goblin I'm troll what about you what are you probably just a [ __ ] okay okay
it's like it's Taco Bell today yeah like I'm full Goblin let's go yeah what do you get oh a quesarito and two soft
tacos you got it in the crunchy Dorito taco that's what you got love the Doritos I love it I'm a Crunchwrap
supremeer oh yes I love a crunch sorry not sponsored by Taco Bell but like the bugs bro I know those cinnamon
oh my those are so good if you order those like late night and then you wake up in like the middle of the night at
like three a.m and then you just like pop a couple of those you're like that's pure happiness mouth yeah they do that's
what life is all about so I want those now specifically actually forget this I'm going to Taco bye
Taco Bell time let's go but this person stole somebody's Taco Bell name tag not their delicious treats it says Hey
weirdos I'll start with the obligatory gushing about how much I love your podcast thank you I found you in the
last year and love listening to you girls as I get ready in the morning while doing laundry driving by myself
and really any other time I can get far enough away from my seven and ten year old so that I won't traumatize them just
yet just yet just yeah love that I'm an Elementary music teacher in rural Missouri rural I know
rules the secondary theme today it says despite what you see in the news don't worry we are not all close-minded people
who would hunt other humans down with a hunting rifle just because they don't agree with us that's really good to hear
that's like a great thank you for that great sponsor for Missouri and it's been my experience that true crime the sorry
that true crime type shows and podcasts are a stress relief for educators not sure what that says about our psyche but
I go with it well you guys are going through it you gotta contend with a lot as an educator today for or real like
literal heroes in my opinion pay him more God damn it pay them millions we all want them to make more I want them
to make so much money I say it all the time yeah they should they absolutely because I can't we tried we can't do it
no well in everything they deal with now especially but also I was an [ __ ] when I was little yeah and even just
like teaching kids I'm like you deserve way more money oh we tried to like do because we held our kids out during like
the height of covid so we were like okay well we got to keep them they were only
in Like Preschool but we're like we're gonna keep the curriculum going even that John and I were like I don't know
how teachers do this like I don't know how to do this like teaching them to read I don't know how because I'm just
like I just know how to do this yeah that's okay you really should or they'll ask me like
why does that say should like that doesn't work there's an L in it and I'm like I don't know to be honest yeah yeah
English language is weird growing up when my parents would be like I don't know it just means yes and I couldn't
accept that as a kid I'm like why but why though but it's like in reality you're like you're like it should
because it should okay that's just the way it is just memorize that one there's no convention yes the amount of times
they're just like I don't know that's what it says sorry that's it I love you so much but love you and then I'm like
ask your teacher and then I'm like pay her more yes Jesus exact life happening right now yeah but this person says I'm
also one of those weirdos who listens to morbid to fall asleep at night so there
you go I love hearing that same Z so funny I also feel a kinship to you girls especially Elena as we fall
squarely in the same age group and I understand all of your cultural references and giggle when Ash misses
some of Elders yes I'm always like wait what like Paul Newman yeah like Paul Newman it just happened yeah love you
anyway girl thanks love you too okay on to the story the fun of it I just got done listening to your listener tales
that time I met a murderer and realized I too have met a murderer when I was in high school and excuse me when I was in
high school I hung out with some rather shall we say sketchy people we've all been there it was one of those my high
school boyfriend was kind of on the edge and hung out with people who pretty much
off the edge so I hung out with them by proxy sort of thing you know that thing yeah that my boyfriend ended up ended up
a great guy and is now a contributing member to society but for context his high school best friend was murdered a
few years ago in a sketchy situation but that's actually another story damn we need that one too I know sad right I I
sort of had two personas one me that got almost Straight A's was first chair saxophone and band rarely broke curfew
and was a girl scout for real whoa I love that it was like for real I really was a hotline I'm not lying to you I had
the bad news I got how many matches I want to know do you still have anything and then there was the other me that
hung out in a back parking lot on the weekend smoked behind my parents back I later found out that they knew all along
parents am I right they always know they always know and they always tell you later I do that whole time oh yeah I've
gotten a lot of those oh yeah yep drink at parties and apparently hung out with future murderers I don't really know
much about astrology but I'm a sag don't know if that says something about me here Ash OH are you I am a sad so you're
a fire sign am I yeah yeah I'm a massage Rising um I don't know if like what that really
says I don't know a lot about sagas in general oh we're right before my sign that's all I know yeah we're fiery fiery
and we want to like run away and like start new things a lot uh we want to run and be free don't give me rules yeah oh
there you go so maybe that was like a different part of your sign like your birth chart like arguing with the SAG
side you know that makes sense yeah because it's like I was out I was like rebelling against everything that makes
sense I like it yeah so anyways one of my boyfriend's best friends aforementioned guy who got murdered his
friend Sat by me in my government class this was after my high school boyfriend and I broke up but we were we were all
still friends so a friend of a friend would flirt with me some and even though I really didn't like him that way he did
always strike me as a bit creepy I would sort of flirt back because high school girl out of all the guys in this group
he was always the one that gave me the weirdest feeling trust your gut people it's true through he just started
working at Taco Bell and would wear his name tag to school sometimes just to be weird I guess I'll have a couple of kids
did that in my school did they really yeah it was like like I got a job in the box or Target that's hilarious uh
I never got a name tag at any of my jobs I got one at Hollywood Video there you go I worked out of it was my favorite
job ah that was like the coolest I always still work in a video store if there was I know I would love to be like
the rewind girl oh yeah apparently um Blockbuster's making some kind of comeback did you hear that no all of
your heads just turned we're like their um website just like reactivated for the
first time in like years are we bringing vhs's back let's go I don't know I'm ready to rewind I'm ready be kind who
knows yeah I want to go on a Friday night I want to see if that box is there like it's like the wrist anticipation is
it going to be there is it not gonna am I gonna have to wait another week for Titanic yes
yeah I remember that yeah I don't remember much about video stores oh it was such a time yeah we missed a really
good ERA yeah I did sad for you all right so he was wearing his name tagged to school very strange
um blah blah blah sorry I lost that's what it says yeah that's exactly what it says
well his name tag was in the shape of a jalapeno pepper and I just thought that was funny so we made some kind of trade
I now don't remember at all the actual circumstances but I ended up with the actual name tag pinned to my backpack we
were Juniors at the time and even though he didn't end up graduating I left the name tag on my backpack for the rest of
high school as a matter of a fact my mom keeps literally everything and I was up
in her attic not too long ago and came across that backpack and the name tag is still on there oh damn that's crazy now
fast forward about a year from graduation I'm a freshman in college doing my own thing and I've pretty much
forgotten about Taco Bell name tag guy I got a phone call from my mom and she's like do you remember Taco Bell name tag
guy she obviously said his actual name of course I was hoping she said Taco Bell name tag me too I like that better
I was like yeah why well apparently he and this couple um they were using some kind of drugs
broke into an older gentleman's house to Rob him they thought he he wasn't home or something but it turned out he
totally was home so Taco Bell name tag guy stabbed him to death before they all ran out to get to the getaway car driven
by a guy I also went to high school with that was actually a pretty good kid he apparently got In Too Deep with these
jerks the couple that was with him were quite a bit older than us and I did not know them I mean I always knew he was a
little bit creepy but I never thought murderer type creepy but as my mother would attest to I have no intuition and
would definitely be the first one to die in a horror movie because I would be the
one that didn't heed any warnings and explained everything away like an ostrich with its head right down in the
ground but you know what you know that about yourself yeah and that's that's good she's aware yes this is the first
key yes you know yeah if you didn't know that I'd be worried I also think I would
die first in a horror movie 100 but you wouldn't because you know that and because I know that so so I'd be in that
movie with you and I'd make sure okay thanks don't worry I'd be the dumb ass who's like what is
that let me go check yeah hello so needless to say when I came across my backpack with his name tag on it I got
some serious Goosebumps and the more I listened to your podcast the more I'm thinking should I burn that backpack and
Sage my parents attic you know anyway that's my I also met a murderer story I'm also going to put a couple links to
true crime stories that happened in or are related to my hometown in case you ever wanted to do an episode on it yeah
thanks because even in rural Missouri crazy stuff like this happens thanks if you made it this far in my story and
keep it weird but not so weird that you break into a guy's house and stab him to
death okay yeah P.S I have attached adorable pics of my kids and fur babies oh my goodness the cutest of all babies
everywhere yeah really cute you know what she should do she should um find what prison he's in the Taco Bell guy
and mail the name tag back to him oh my God that's a good idea yeah he probably needs it yeah they could just take the
like the sharp part off of it and give it back to him yeah give him this jalapeno pepper okay probably this in
jail something to look at yeah nothing to do you're always looking I love it I think that's a great idea all right so
my next one is listener Tales wanted murderer bought me a bikini but why though but why though that's what we're
all asking let's see and can I use your name yes Hillary I can thank you for telling me that what's good my spooky
beaches I've attached my listener tail in the form of a puttifa which is about the time I help the police catch a
murder in my hotel in the creepy [ __ ] that live led up to that fateful day this is where I tell you to cut it down
if it's too long and it's where you say you won't never also in this email is the security footage oh my God news
clippings and mug shots oh my Lord I love security footage she came through all right so this says the time I
assisted a SWAT team in taking down a wanted murderer wow imagine just being able to say that I know that's at times
you could really like win two truths and a lie with that absolutely it says oh my
God if you're reading this it means you're reading this we're reading this give me a second they are writing
together we are reading this I am watching it out it's true it's happening I am currently sitting on my couch at 11
30 PM both my toddlers are sleeping and I am not I feel that why you ask because
I have crippling ADHD that has made it literally impossible to turn my brain off in between researching how
cuttlefish camouflage themselves while also being colorblind I've got Miss Rachel's songs playing randomly in my
head if you know you know dab dab knows because she knows yeah and I know that's
the thing with like when you have like kids all day you're like I can't wait to sleep but then when they go to sleep
you're like I just need to be alone for a minute and like shut everything off so
you end up staying up until like 11 30 or 12 just being like I just need this alone time that's why we're there in my
three to five year plan there you go not the right now plan yeah you know I have
no plan I like my time to sleep love it uh so researching cuttlefish you know I feel that because I go on like crazy
little I love doing that right I love one little thing I went down a rabbit hole about sloths
oh I learned so much about sloths you know they can attack people like very quickly oh I don't know oh I was
watching sloths snatch people oh are you serious yes and don't they have like really long
like sharp fingers I know why so when they hold the thing the claw wraps around the branch not
their hand wow isn't that interesting and they also swim really far oh useless knowledge all day I have it you know
what salon so also look like these little Cutie Pies and you don't mind that they
have those giant acrylic nails because you're like one but when you first look you're like
you're not gonna hurt anyone because you're a sloth you just have pretty nails attacking people videos please do I need
to be aware of this I would just walk up to one and be like but now not anymore now I will not
oh all right I was first introduced to your podcast while I was pregnant with my daughter I was an avid listener of a
different True Crime podcast but was getting tired of how polite they were oh no and now they left out a lot of the
details because well I'm [ __ ] up I listened to one of their episodes and was not satisfied with the information
so I went to the interwebs to find out if any other podcasts had covered it yours was the first one that popped up
so I scrolled back and found the episode within five minutes of pressing play you
had called one of the players a [ __ ] Dingus and I knew I had found my people that sounds like us yes it does I've
since listened to almost every episode and love how the podcast is evolving thank you I just listened to the plane
crash Survivor episode and absolutely loved it thank you I pre-ordered Elena's book the day it was available thank you
and I listened to the entire thing in two days of the day it was released it was amazing and I'll definitely sign
whatever petition gets you to write a sequel because Jeremy needs to get his comeuppance well don't worry you don't
need to sign a petition I was gonna say by the time this is out you'll hear the news there will be another one uh and
thank you that's really cool to hear my name is Hillary and please use my name after birthing two kids I'd love to have
a non-embarrassing reason to pee my pants it just takes a sneeze uh so this story
starts back in 2015 while I was working in a hotel at the front desk as customer
facing Jobs go Hotel front desk is by far the worst I've ever experienced as far as customer abuse goes we hear that
a lot yeah people because you also have to deal with the late night people yeah you know
people who stay in hotels are entitled as [ __ ] and I hate most of them oh no I
was used to Weirdos I was used to people cussing at me I dealt with a dude high on LSD who decided that my housekeeping
manager was in grave danger and cornered her in a room and was literally body slamming the door to try and get in to
save her oh my God I had a woman call me a Content an ungodly decibel because our
outdoor pool was closed for renovations in the middle of the [ __ ] winter well that's your fault the whole thing
started on a Monday on a Monday evening two men came into the lobby and asked if
we had availability we had a few rooms open so I booked them a room he mentioned that he didn't know how long
he was going to need to stay I let him know that we had availability that whole week and to let me know before checkout
time whether he wanted to extend for another day or two totally typical walk-in checked in with a legit credit
card and legit ID using the name Paul Cunningham he was very Charming we carried on our conversation easily I
handed him his keys and he and His companion Who had who had been completely silent this whole time walk
up the stairs and went to his room the next morning yes I was working the next morning my GM was a literal
Nightmare and had me scheduled to work from 3 P.M to 11 pm and then 6 30 a.m to 2 30 p.m the next day all open shift
she also once sent me home from for coming to work with no makeup on [ __ ] I agree no uh he came to the I would be
sent home like every day he came to the front desk and made conversation while he drank his coffee it was a little
friendlier than I was comfortable with but it wasn't any different than the other weirdos I had dealt with just
smiled and continued to talk a little background on me I was raised in an extremely oppressive religion which now
I've been deconstructing for the past three years it was definitely a cult my place in the world was ingrained in me
men were Superior and women were to follow behind them they LED we submitted no matter what that's awful this led me
into abusive relationships one ending with a broken jaw and no will to live Oh my Jesus I learned to give men what they
wanted because if I didn't I'd either be yelled at or beaten up that's awful it was easier to acquiesce I love that word
thank you I haven't heard that word in a long time and can I get a definition please I just felt like I know right I
think it's it's basically like acquiesce like I'm just gonna it was easier just to like submit almost just like that put
it out of your brain and just go with the flow okay place of origin it just well she did say am I the only one who
can't use that word without thinking of Pirates of the Caribbean how funny also do you say Pirates of the Caribbean are
Pirates of the Caribbean people say this different I think I say it like both ways like interchangeably see when I'm
this is another weird word when I'm talking about the Caribbean I talk about it as the Caribbean sure but Pirates of
the Caribbean it's funny it's like Oregon and Oregon Trail yeah I don't know why I do the same thing I never
really thought about it huh like oh you're going to the Caribbean but then I'm like did you see Pirates of the
Caribbean see I just said Caribbean when I went to say it without thinking see Pirates of the Caribbean sounds insane
to me that's funny also acquiesce means to accept accept something reluctantly without protest and it is a verb submit
basically oh yeah okay challenge trying to use that word today there you go organically I will not acquiesce
not sporadic his friend came to the front desk and asked where asked where the mall was
after I told him he asked me what bra size I was wow that escalated quickly I know damn
I laughed because what and he kept on you're so skinny I bet they don't even make them that tiny I'd be like I could
I quit ew I quit then why ask which was super gross because he seemed to really be happy about that after awkward laughs
he left a couple hours later he came back with a bikini from Victoria's Secret oh my God [ __ ] I gotta go like I
gotta go I'd be calling someone I would not have to give me the money sir yeah stay at your shift and like work after
dealing with this too for real it really freaked me out but again no but again he's a man and Victoria's Secret is
expensive so I accepted his very generous gift and he went up to his room oh no I'm really glad that you like
deconstructed that way of thinking yes me too because that's really sad that that was like drilled into you he
extended his stay again the next morning and asked if I had tried on the bikini he gave me ew I said that I hadn't but
quickly let him know that I was working basically back-to-back shifts and hadn't
had time God forbid I should offend him he said I needed to take pictures for him when I put it on I'm leaving oh
that's so funny we were literally just talking about this being polite yeah yeah so you're just talking about this
and these are the times when it's even sadder when it's been like really drilled into you as a kid like part of
like the tenements of your mortgage everything instead of just like a blanket you need to be nice it's like
not only that this is [Music] that's loaded very loaded so he said he needed to take pictures and she said oh
for sure I said with an extremely convincing convincing customer service smile he left the desk and I didn't see
him until the next day I was working an afternoon shift and when I got into work
I saw that he had extended again great what am I going to say when he asked to see the pictures I didn't take of the
bikini I didn't try on after a couple hours of normal Hotel stuff check-ins room changes housekeeping requests Etc I
hear no from around the corner of the desk I couldn't see who it was but I looked in
the big convex mirror we had in the corner of the lobby and saw that creeps McGee was trying to get my attention in
the mirror he was motioning for me to come to him my body was screaming [ __ ] no but my traumatized by religion brain
could only obey right so I walked around the corner I know I'm an idiot you are not an idiot you were traumatized yeah
that is not being an idiot it's also one of those things where like what are you
gonna do in that situation yeah that's the other thing like you're just gonna react like right away by no means an
idiot for doing that he looked over my shoulder a couple of times like he wanted to make sure no one was watching
and from inside his boxers he pulled out makeup what what at least it was makeup okay that's how you get me
okay pulls on Mega for unboxers all right I'm in the grass well he pulled out three random brushes
an eye shadow palette mascara and foundation in a Ziploc kabagi wow this is bizarre
bizarre behavior I didn't know the whole face out of his boxers and he said go yeah go forth this is weird what the
actual [ __ ] I saw these and thought you would like them he said almost sheepishly gotta go he didn't say he
bought them they weren't in a shopping bag and they didn't have any plastic on them or wrapping to indicate that they
hadn't been opened before again this really weirded me out but I accepted I was just glad he didn't ask me about
the bikini pics the next the rest of the night went by without incidents wait you
know what I'm thinking he's a wanted murderer is that his like previous victim's makeup oh my AI plot twist
right oh my honestly probably and saying I thought you would like these like yeah
right because they don't have plastic on them like they've clearly maybe been used before yeah oh and even if they
were like lightly used or something hell you're right and they're just like in a
Ziploc bag in his pants I think that's where we're headed oh I gotta know like why do they have to be in your pants
couldn't you just hold it and bring it down no because that's weird yeah that's a little much you're just putting
it in your pants yeah magic trick like close-up magic oh no I don't love her girl I feel really bad yes stuck in
this on my next shift which was the morning shift I started my day with him extending his stay again but he changed
the credit card on file and went back up to his room interesting at around 10 a.m
on a very slow Thursday a man wearing a white Billabong t-shirt and cargo shorts
wow what a what a Vibe absolutely walked briskly up to the desk he pulled a detectives badge out from under his
shirt and put it very discreetly on the desk I was too stunned to say anything so I just looked at him wide-eyed he
pulled out his phone with a mug shot pulled up on the screen it was creeps McGee I knew it he had long hair in the
photo but it was definitely him the detective asks if he was here and I just nodded with his index finger he scrolled
up on the screen to reveal something that my stomach made my stomach fall out of my butt do you see what that says the
detective asked quietly there in big bold black leather letters was wanted good for murder can you imagine having a
detective be like you see that right there you see that wanted for murder I'd also be like are we on Law and Order sir
it's okay you're just waiting for the like everything all right I felt all the blood drained from my face and must have
and it must have been obvious because all the detective said was which Romeo I love Alice this guy's living for this
huh you know he put that outfit together he was like I need to look like a Beachcomber absolutely I will do it
right I want to keep everybody off their game I quickly told him and he walked out the door returning moments later
with six other plain clothed agents holy [ __ ] he asked if the room's on either
side of the suspect were occupied and I let him know that they were his first initial plan was to breach the door but
decided it was too risky with civilians in the neighboring rooms he then decided
that they would set up a sting operation in the hotel lobby oh my God the other officers cleared out the lobby of other
guests instructing them to go up to their rooms or to leave the premises I would have been so pissed I'd be like
can I please stay I'd be like I'm gonna leave the premises see you later yeah I was gonna say I'll just peek
through the window little continental breakfast yeah I'll grab a muffin on my way out crappy coffee they took spots
all over the lobby one pretended to read the paper oh I would stay at this point
it's an incredible setting up in like that's what I mean Tableau then I am I'm gonna be like let me read the paper let
me be one of these people uh so one of them pretended to read the paper at a table in the lounge another
pretended to peruse the gift shop amazing I noticed in particular the one reading the paper because he was fine AF
I wouldn't have minded being arrested by him I don't think I love you Hillary at this point the
lead detective told me I needed to call him down to the front desk I was like excuse me if you don't get that
reference you need to watch Pitch Perfect immediately he said that I just read it as it was a thing I have not
seen pictures excuse me because like I thought it was excuse me which I I've never seen it I like it better
I saw it but I don't know I don't know acapella you're right we'll Circle back yeah you know what we'll come watch
party later and watch we got that one then on the dock at first he said that all I needed to do was get down get him
down here and that said I could use his credit card as an excuse so with all the
Poise I could muster I was about to call up to room 209 when the phone rang no I
looked at the display and it said Cunningham Paul 209 no I looked at the detective and said he's literally
calling me right now what do I do he just motioned for me to answer it and so I did I had no idea what I was going to
say but thankfully creeps McGee asked if he was if we had a business center with
a computer he could use I let him know that we had one in the lobby and he said he'd like he'd see me in a second and
hung up sure enough he came downstairs and crossed the lobby into the business center I just smiled at him and
pretended to click away on my computer only moments later he came back out to ask for printer paper and the officer
swarmed with guns drawn the lead detective's voice boom don't move or I will shoot you oh my God that is the
closest I've ever been to the business end of a handgun and I don't ever want to be any closer I backed up against the
wall and he was taken into custody without incident I found out his name was actually Angelo
doeing is that yeah 31 years old and he was wanted for a group assault in which the 24 year old victim was beaten to
death oh my God he had been on the run for four months at that point and was apprehended because someone called in an
anonymous tip after searching his room heroine a box cutter a hunting knife and two guns were recovered holy [ __ ] I
asked the detective if they needed the things he had given me and they said that they didn't which was almost
disappointing because I felt like throwing away the things he gave me would be rude and that made me feel
really guilty really throw them out religious trauma is so real thankfully my co-worker recognized how insane that
sounded and took them from me we love it I don't know what she did with them but
I'm sure they ended up in a parking lot dumpster I've attached a couple news articles along with his mug shot and the
security footage of the actual takedown which we will be watching hell yeah thanks so much for taking the time to
tell my story keep being awesome and I always keep it weird but not so weird that you allow a religious cult to
mentally beat you down so much that you led a murderer by creepy things for you and then feel guilty for being part of a
sting operation that takes him down to be clear I now think of that day with pride and no longer feel guilty [ __ ] his
feelings there you go Hillary much love Hillary I also relate to that feeling guilty for taking him down right yeah
he's being blood away yeah I'm so sorry about that but now Hillary are you enjoying your
stay yeah I'm sorry wow she came through with the receipts she did that she gave you security footage I
love that whenever we get a video me too me too killing it wow wow damn Bonkers that really delivered
so um next story you ready well I'm ready hey weirdos my name is sage and you can totally use it I will literally
explode from excitement oh don't do that I hope you're okay I'm a huge fan of the show I feel
connected to you guys in a way that I just don't with any other podcast and you do a great job at doing what you do
thank you I'm sorry this can't be in a PDF I have the computer skills of a worm with brain
damage we were just trying to figure out how to air drop it essentially same so and I apologize for
how long this may be I am autistic and a chronic Rambler never apologize never longer the better baby hell yeah so on
to the story I'm from a small town in Southwest England which is very historically significant and very
haunted can I live there I know I have tons of my own stories I could send in but this one is my boyfriend's I will be
calling him F because the area he lives in is small and close knit and he could easily be identified I recently listened
to your episode on the murder of Sophie toscondu plantier that was perfect damn really yeah it snaps truly
um and I lost my place and immediately called f when I heard that it happened in West cork he has lived there all his
life yes he has an Irish accent and yes it's absolutely gorgeous cool because that was my question yeah that's like do
you Swoon daily because I would um and I wondered if he had heard of the case or of Ian Bailey God damn it
dropping your name up and something else I wasn't expecting anything too interesting he's not really into cheer
crime and finds a little spooky how obsessed I am right guys always find it weird
but in true Irish fashion he gave me a casual oh yeah I know the guy to be read in an Irish accent I was gonna say I was
gonna try to do it but I can't anybody would do Irish I'm mad at Irish it usually just goes English oh yeah I know
the guy there you go Irish and he proceeded to recount the wildest events I could have expected
ah for f first met Ian Bailey when he was seven at a market he was running a stall selling wooden trays and bowls and
he sold f a small vintage toy car the car became F's favorites and um oh sorry the car became F's favorite and he
played with it for years not knowing it had been handled by an alleged murderer this was only the first of multiple
encounters he had with Ian Bailey which is absolutely wild to me but unsurprising considering the low
population of rural rural I told you we need to abolish this work F recalls teachers and parents warning
children not to talk to Ian and calling him a quote bad guy but no one talked about the murder specifically and he
only introduced himself as Ian so when F met him again selling food at a market in town of
coloniality perfect shut up but I have no idea regular old man this part of the star
this part of the story disturbs me especially because he bought the guy's cake he bought and ate a piece of cake which
had been made by a potential murderer eek this [ __ ] is wild I literally cannot
he claims the cake was very nice he's like you know what it tasted at least it was good yeah he's like it's very moist
he describes Ian as a friendly and charismatic and compared to and compared him to Ted Bundy but it should also be
noted that he could be absolutely terrifying to young women he would often flirt with them only to become angry
when they rejected his Advantage Advance advances and he would often change emotions quickly a family friend of F's
best friend once went to a party at a pub in school and spotted him standing on a bridge she waved at him and smiled
and he turned and to look at her with a cold expression on his face he then smiled and waved back before switching
his expression back to a Blank Stare ooh I know he'd been spotted on this bridge
many times by numerous adults close to F including his former Camp leader who was
Ian Bailey's neighbor and his friend's parents he often acts suspicious and F claims that quote everyone knows he's
guilty but no one can prove it the most recent encounter F had with Ian was at the age 15 when buying a book from him
at a market he showed me the book inflicted the pages exclaiming he touched this
he talked for a while and he gave f a bookmark for the book F says he F says he speaks like a pretty normal guy but
he still felt uncomfortable knowing what he could have done F has also visited skull on numerous
occasions he says that the house is in the Hills slightly away from the main town and that is very quiet and secluded
he claims that there is very strange feeling there that he can't really put into words he said quote maybe a
presence a ghost or a banshee a very heavy morbid presence we are very heavily present there now when you walk
into a place and it's like it does feel like that yeah and it's a creepiest feeling the Lizzie Borden house oh my
God have you ever been there the Lizzie Borden house especially the Abby's room yep Abby's
room was crazy and our phone started going like crazy in there we were taking live video and it just stopped working
it kept literally I'm like and it was this weird like heavy feeling in there yeah that you were just like I don't
know what's going on but like and I've always like questioned that on ghost shows when they're like our equipment's
not working all this heaviness and it's like oh because then you sound like those TV shows it stopped working yeah
literally and we're like no seriously we're like don't make it work again you're like seriously though I was like
you're like feeling sick yeah like she had to like literally back out of that before yeah that's a weird that's a
weird thing huh it's like inexplicable it is yeah um I thought that this was all
absolutely wild and had to share it with you f has had many experiences separate
from this concerning aliens and the supernatural will persuade him to let me share them he seems to be followed by
everything dark and morbid including me which I would never expect from anyone so outwardly joyful and colorful I will
try to attach the only photo I have of my boyfriend age seven at the time was Ian oh yeah if my poor technological
skills allow it I will also attach a photo of my most recent painting which is completely
unrelated but I feel you will both appreciate the weirdness of it in a way which most people don't oh my God it's
beautiful I love that if you've made it to the end thank you for reading keep being amazing love sage
I keep being amazing I know that's such a good name dance see this painting this
painting's so cool let me see let me see this share with Bailey look at that oh wow
oh that's so cool it's good for you Sage she's showing it to the room and look at
the seven-year-old with Ian Bailey alleged murderer wow I've actually never heard of Ian Bailey what do you do do
you know so allegedly some people believe that he murdered Sophie toscan duplantier
um it's like a very well how would you describe that case it's very controversial yeah really yeah
he um it was the French government basically convicted or did convict him of the murder but Ireland will not send
him over to France like they won't extradite him because I think they don't think he did it
why so there's these very like big camps of like he did it he didn't do it or like you know I really got yeah I have
no idea I did an episode about it like a couple months ago yeah only it was like
a one part and then I think there's like a Netflix documentary about it at one point really yeah it's really it's an
interesting in a very sad case yeah it was very horrific it was like the day after Christmas I want to say or like
the day before Christmas and she was like this beautiful just like go-getter kind of girl like you know motive do you
know that was the thing like it didn't seem like there was one but whoever killed her she was brutally brutally
attacked and that bridge played a big part in the case too because people said they saw him on the bridge
that he just mentioned it's an interesting thing because he would just be standing on that bridge and people
either saw them and then pulled back the confession saying they didn't see him on
the bridge so that's the thing like you're getting all these but then people said that they were like scared out of
confessing or like they did confess and then they were intimidated and of course
it's crazy so it's one of those that's like really convoluted oh wow I always feel bad like let's just say in a
perfect world like he is 100 innocent could you imagine how she did that thing I think but then again
that's the thing but maybe that's why maybe he thinks that and it's like either he's innocent and he's scared
that like because as we know because I mean look at the West Memphis Three you can be completely innocent and still
almost be put to death yeah I know so it's like maybe he's like I don't know if I can prove this or he's not and he
knows that we can't go anywhere yeah so it's like he's just being an [ __ ] like ha ha that's the thing
every either way right that's [ __ ] but that's the thing you can see it going both ways yeah and I do always think
though when these people and like if they are innocent can you imagine well we always say that going back to Lizzie
Borden about her the rest of her life people would just like sing a song about her brutally murdering her parents and
if she didn't do it which there is a lot of evidence to support that she didn't and it was a catchy song
that's the thing and people would go up to like her new home there and like sing
it and she's like this old lady and these kids are like throwing rocks at her door and singing that she killed her
parents and it's like what if she didn't what if she just came home one day like
that she just found them that way she just needs to lean into and be like I sure did well that's nice
then you probably shouldn't be throwing rocks at my door be the character yeah it was it Maple
Croft yeah sorry yeah that was the name of her uh second her second home wow poor thing I know do you wanna should we
do one last small one yeah well that's not small Vamp for a second so you have a second book coming out I
do congratulations thank you that's incredible are you proud of you I'm it's like so much fun I love that like I just
want to write books like all day every day it's so much fun is this something that you would like to continue doing
yeah I have so many ideas for future ones too but I'm just like eager to dive into for you thank you found your it's
very like cathartic it's a really big catharsis and you're so good at it oh thank you you're welcome once I started
doing murder mystery makeup is when I realized like oh writing is and it's like having it when you're done
like a like all this like thing that you're like I did that like that's the you did that [ __ ] girl yeah right it was
good it's like your little diary yeah it's scary when you put like the book went out so you have this weird
dichotomy of feelings where you're like I want everyone to read it but I also am
terrified for one person to read it like it's literally like no one read it but everyone read it I know I can't imagine
that yeah it's really easy yeah it is it's like a diary wow because even like when I write a case and then I
present it I'm like oh God everybody's gonna hate it I can imagine it being like a book yeah it's crazy amazing
thank you congratulations thank you you're welcome nothing but success for you oh same right back to you oh thank
you I loved this nothing but love nothing but love here just for you guys what you guys could do Macy okay oh my
God so much love all right I found one and it's pretty small okay cool okay we're
back guys we're back that time I met a murderer it says okay so I was just listening to the that time I met a
murderer episode and it completely unlocked my experience from deep within the Vault more of an oh haha that
happened kind of thing picture it Defiance Ohio summer 2004. I was freshly graduated from high school and desperate
for that first tattoo so I popped into a shop town with not a stitch of research
done mind you it was a different time and we didn't have the internet in our hands with reviews and all that jazz
anywho dude man says he can do it and come back at blank time so I go around my best friend for support
her sweet sweet mom tried hard to talk me out of it something we would joke about for years after anywho we got
there and the guy kind of gets me all set up but you can't ever in a million years guess what 18 year old Courtney
got why yes a butterfly on my lower back love stamp yes very very early Arts tattoo yeah
so we got going on this Butte and the guy was not gentle or kind I kept flinching and that made him yell at me
at one point he stopped and said he was done and not gonna finish uh he did keep going and did finish and I
was the proud owner of a new [ __ ] stamp woohoo fast forward six months my my support
friend called me and said to check out the Toledo Blade Toledo thank you wow that was dumb pull it up Toledo bleed a
front page so I hop on my good old desktop and found an article about the guy who did my tattoo and his girlfriend
and how they were wanted for murder oh can you imagine like having you have a tattoo by him now yeah that's a lot
that's true oof girlfriend lured a guy into a sketchy motel with the promise of sexy time and tattoo guy was waiting
there where he proceeded to Rob and shoot him and poor guy just wanted some nookie oh that's really sad that's
horrible and also they wrote the thing not me um I had to do some digging to find any
articles about this because it's been almost two decades oof that hurts to say but I found where they fled to Kentucky
and he ended up killing the girlfriend oh my God he then fled to Nashville where he was captured and brought back
to Ohio he was convicted and sentenced to 32 years four years later he was talking with his parole officer and
confessed to killing the girlfriend and said where her body could be found so now he's in for life damn and then they
attached the link for us it says um so yeah [ __ ] wild but it does make the story of my first tattoo a good party
story I would bring that one up so yeah I suppose for real pretty sure they said
thank you for reminding me of it but please share the next time you please share the next time you do a meta
murderer episode I would lose what cool is left in my 36 year old self you gals are awesome and I've grown to love and
depend on your podcast I always listen while I'm opening up my bar at work and it helps me get past the uh I'm at work
feeling oh thank you oh my God that is like Bonkers I can't believe how many people have encountered just murders on
the street like this you know right so many we have so many that are not not even like in this folder yeah just like
lingering in the email oh yeah it's crazy we could do so many of these installments yeah
right do you have anything you want to plug I'm sure you do because you're always working on murder mystery makeup
as usual going on my favorite I love it murder mystery makeup um also dark history we're ending season
two and we're starting season three in the summer I was exciting dark history too it's so it's so I love it highly
recommend thank you go check it out yeah find me anywhere you listen to podcasts
yeah um social media whatever you know I'm here I'm around I'm just here you know
you can find me if you want if not that's okay too yeah whatever you can find me floaties I'm still very honored
I appreciate you guys you guys need to come out to California so I can show you la so I can show you my place yeah oh
yeah on my show we would love that yes we still have to do something I've never been to California you haven't only when
I was like a little baby and I don't remember it okay I've been there but I was visiting an ex-boyfriend who was
like the worst ever yeah and we can go on those Hollywood like they have their own little murder tours
you know we can see like the Manson house like the Black Dahlia that would be cool it's pretty fascinating yeah not
really but you know like it's nice Sunshine but offensive I love it no seriously thank you so much for coming
on and thank you guys for listening we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but not so weird that you
met a murderer because holy cow that's crazy and listen to your instincts yeah yeah keep it somewhere that you listen
to those and keep it so weird that you keep telling us about when you do me murders yes and don't be afraid to say
no yeah be a [ __ ] we have lots of advice yeah Virginia don't keep it so weird that you're not a raging [ __ ] yes
just Channel your inner New England Aries Italian woman yeah yeah that one listener's grandma do it all right bye
bye bye thank you for having me and [Music] foreign [Music]

We have another fantastic batch of listener tales about the time some of our listeners MET a MURDERER!!! Only this one is super special because we are joined by the exquisite Bailey Sarian!! How fucking exciting. This batch of tales includes a tattoo from a murderer, a present from a murderer and oh no... a date with... a SERIAL KILLER!

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Brief Summary

Bailey Sarian joins to discuss listener tales about encounters with murderers, including Jerry Brudos and a tattoo artist who was wanted for murder.

Key points

Listener Tales Begin. The hosts dive into listener-submitted stories, starting with a chilling tale.
Mom Dated a Serial Killer. A listener reveals their shocking discovery about their mother's past.
The Oregonian Revelation. The mom discovers a chilling headline about a killer she once dated.
A Close Call. A grandmother's encounter with a potential murderer raises chilling questions.
Survivor's Guilt. Exploring the emotional aftermath of a near-miss encounter with danger.
The Taco Bell Name Tag Guy. A high school crush turns into a chilling story of murder years later.

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