Talking Dateline: Running Man

Dateline NBC

  • Nov 19, 2025
  • 27:27
  • Full Episode
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Blayne Alexander talks with Andrea Canning about her episode, “Running Man.” When the remains of Ontario mother Ashley Schwalm were found inside a burned-out car in 2023, investigators narrowed in on her firefighter husband and the careful steps he took to try to get away with her murder. Andrea talks about reporting on a case in her hometown and her unexpected, yet personal, connection to the women and children’s shelter My Friend’s House. Blayne and Andrea play a podcast-exclusive clip about the Sunflower Fund established in Ashley’s honor. Plus, Dateline producer Lynn Keller joins to answer social media questions.

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Brief Summary

Ashley Schwalm's murder by her husband reveals domestic violence issues and community support for victims.

Key points

  • The Sinister Discovery. Investigators uncover the chilling truth behind Ashley Schwalm's death, revealing a planned murder by her husband.
  • A Heartbreaking Connection. Andrea discovers her connection to Ashley through a high school friend, deepening the emotional impact of the story.
  • The Sunflower Fund. In Ashley's honor, a fund is created to support victims of domestic violence, showcasing the community's response to tragedy.
  • The Mystery of the Dog. Listeners are puzzled about the dog's absence during a key moment. 'Where was the dog?'
  • The Teacher's Heroic Call. A teacher's instinct leads to a critical welfare check on Ashley's children. 'She was really going above and beyond.'
  • Children's Well-Being. The children of Ashley and James are thriving and well cared for. 'I'm so glad to hear that.'

Tension

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