Serial Killer /// Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 1 /// 382 | Forensic Files

when it comes to Quality sleep Ashley has you covered with top mattress brands at winning prices and with special
financing options available you can snooze now and pay later plus your mattress purchase helps give the gift of
better sleep to children in need and US Special Operations forces visit your local Ashley store or shop online today
and make every snooze count financing is subject to credit approval C store or ashley.com for d details dreaming of
overseas Adventures or connecting more deeply with family from afar Rosetta Stone Bridges the language Gap I've
tried others but Rosetta Stone's immersive lessons and voice feedback technology are gamechangers dive into 25
Languages by learning intuitively just like when you were a kid and here's the holiday Sparkle grab a lifetime
membership now and save 50% gift yourself the world head to rosettastone.com now and save 50%
[Music] [Applause] % [Music] welcome to True Crime garage wherever you are whatever you are doing thanks
for listening I'm your host Nick and with me as always is a man who was College roommates with pepper Brooks he
is the captain FNA cotton FNA it's good to be seen good to see you thanks for listening and thanks for telling a
[Music] friend today we are very happy to be featuring polygamy Porter from wasach
Brewery in beyond beautiful Salt Lake City Utah this is a smooth easy drinking Porter with silky hints of caramel and
chocolate ABV 5% garage grade four out of five bottle caps here's some garage Army shouts first cheers to Jill in
Ridley Pennsylvania and a big cheers to Maggie and Baton Rouge Louisiana next up
a couple of awesome orians we have ammed and Mary in lake awo and a big shout out to Lisa and Vin
Germany we also have Heather at the Utah Brewers Cooperative a big cheers to Heather and last but certainly not least
we have visell in Chicago everyone we just mentioned went to True Crime garage.com and contributed to this
week's beer fund and for that we thank you and make sure you check out out our limited edition computer shirt we have
about I want to say 20 30 left so make sure you go to the website and order your computer shirt that's if you
studied computer at true Crim garage.com and that's enough of the business all right everybody gather around grab a
chair grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] crime [Music] oh hello Joe hello hello Joe yeah this is
Joe yeah it's Mary hey Mary what's up I've been trying to get a hold of you oh did you really really really know
how my daughter died actually I already told you what I knew I told you what I can't and can't say and I already told
you what I was Will to show you now listen you're not going down this road okay I know I'm not doing it I okay okay
just talk to me damn it you had your chance you're down there and you regret it I couldn't stay I had
no choice I didn't have the money you you know not even that listen listen to me now I couldn't let you perform those
things on me listen to me I I ask you do was look in your room you wouldn't do that you know you're really lucky I'm
talking to you now so well I'm sorry so so then you know what then um then hire an escort and you
can watch an escort and I'll show you what happened to an escort there you go don't have to worry about it Joe do you
hear yourself yeah why do you mean that all escorts get murdered or something bad happens to them no that's not what I
what I'm saying to you was listen you didn't want to go through the ACT okay but you wanted to see what happened I
wanted to you to like improvise guess what all you have to do is you come back to Colorado you hire an
escort and I'll show you exactly what happened and you can just be a bystander okay so you can look in the paper you
can you know talk someone say this is what I want the only thing that means a damn
thing to me is my daughter and I don't know where in the hell she ended up have your other daughter talk to me my other
daughter yeah you you want my other daughter to talk to you maybe she'll be reasonable what are you going to do ask
Kur to strip you have to understand I have to protect myself here so it doesn't sound at all Joe like you're
protecting yourself it sounds to me like you you were doing it for gratification
or or just to I don't know it just doesn't sound like somebody that cares about it doesn't make sense to you it it
seems kind of crazy but that's just how it is are you working for Jenny or against
her I'm working for her but you have to realize something things that I I think are important that you
know are classified and I will be in huge trouble if I tell you have to show you I don't get it what do what can you
show me Joe listen I got to let you go I don't get it what could you show me Joe
I'll see you later byebye Joe [Music] Joe [Music] Scott Lee Kimble was born on September
21st 1966 in Boulder Colorado his parents were Virgil and Barb Kimble from what we could find it looks like Scott
was not one of the popular kids at school he attended Lafayette Elementary in Middle School schools he was
described by a classmate as quiet now Barb and Virgil divorced when Scott was 10 years old Barb fell in love with
another woman Virgil and Scott's brother Brett moved to Montana and Scott stayed
behind in Colorado but Scott left high school after only one month eventually after a few years he relocated to join
his father and Brett but listen to this Captain because we often see this in these types a bad Omen a sign that
something is just not right police were called to Scott's home during a strange episode in Scott's teenage years when he
was shooting his father's gun out of one of the windows he was shooting at neighbors homes now it's not clear
exactly what was going on here was he actually trying to shoot someone or was this just some kind of weird thing or
maybe a Revenge Type Thing I don't know but regardless this is a significant event and at the very least could be
categorized as extremely Reckless Behavior Scott attended High School in Hamilton Montana a town of 4,000 people
but he dropped out just shy of graduating he worked as a guide he guided clients on big game Hunting
Expeditions he also made some really bad choices not just the shooting at houses
incident Scott was arrested for stupid things like knocking over mailboxes in June of 1988 at the age of
21 he was arrested and convicted of felonius passing of bad checks his three-year sentence was
deferred however on the condition that he stay above the law Scott like many others he likes spending money that he
did not have he was arrested Ed again in October of 88 for passing more bad checks but because this felony
conviction occurred in a different County his sentence was once again deferred and it didn't activate his
previous conviction so Scott to say it simply got off very easy in both of these situations he continued to rack up
arrest although not all of them resulted in convictions he was arrested in October of 88 again this time for
stealing a fishing pole two rifles and a shotgun and a set of golf clubs this was
from a residence or multiple residences in Broomfield Colorado he was turned loose which is surprising to me and I'm
sure everybody else out there considering that the part of this theft involved a gun right uh he was arrested
again in March uh this time for attempted theft and receives a one-year unsupervised
probation and a $232 fine so again this is just really no real punishment at all
for what we're seeing is continued bad behavior right and if you steal a gun or you steal some checks and they just slap
you on the wrist well why not do it again because you probably got away with it a couple times before you actually
got caught yeah if if consequences dictate my course of action it's only wrong if I get caught or if I if I don't
like the consequences right he's not really being punished so Scott continued to self-destruct and actually he even
attempted to end his life at one point this was while on a hunting trip with his brother remember his brother Brett
Scott was 23 at this time he went to his motel room and he put a rifle to his head and he actually pulled the trigger
and the gun was loaded the bullet ripped a hole in his forehead as it bounced off
of his skull Scott was in critical condition for many days of course he was not in a good place psychologically as
we can all see this led to the discovery of years of abuse that took place during
his teen years so what we would we would find out here Captain is that was the victim of a sexual predator this
started when he was just about 10 years old mhm when he and his 7-year-old cousin were tricked or befriended or
whatever you want to call it by a 41-year-old computer programmer his name Theodore pton now pton was a neighbor of
Scott's grandmothers in a trailer park in Netherland Colorado and we know how this goes we
know how this typically starts off right pton is he he befriends these children and he is taking them places giving them
money takes them bowling you know hanging out playing video games right but pretty soon he started inviting them
to his cabin this one at a time you know you don't want both of them there and now he's doing things that are just
downright wrong he's giving them alcohol this leads to oh getting out the camera
let's take some photographs and of course eventually this all leads to rape and outright molestation right according
to the two boys this continued for years with the boys and their families being threatened by Payton right so he's kind
of controlling them by by not only molesting and raping these boys but on top of that he's telling them if you say
anything I I'm going to hurt you and I'm going to hurt your family well initially it looks
like these crimes of check fraud and stuff are just a crime of greed and maybe not a call for help but now when
you dive into this section you go well maybe maybe these were cries for help but there was no punishment so nobody
was coming to his help cry for help or sometimes unfortunately when these things when somebody's abused in this
manner or really many other manners to put it frankly in their formidable years of coming up as a teenager especially
with this stuff starting when he's 10 or 11 years old they could have mind altering
effects that last a lifetime for somebody we mentioned that he was threatening the boys and threatening
their families uh from my understanding Captain the the threats were as great as
as possible murder death threats shooting these kids or shooting their family right the cousin later told
police about the abuse and he said that it happened so often that he eventually lost count of
the number of incidents that took place the situation continued as we said until
the boys reached their later teen years now remember Scott is not living in the area of his grandmother so his situation
is a little different than than the cousin who was also being abused but when Scott would come back to visit
Grandma and when he would come back to visit other family the abuse was still taking place when he would return to
that area and you see a lot of children describe their predators as the devil so
imagine that the devil is doing these horrible things to you and then on top of that saying hey if you tell anybody
I'm going to kill you and I'm going to kill your whole family apparently this situation continued until the boys
reached their later teen years when they were actually able to stand up for themselves but as we said this did not
emerge publicly until Scott was 23 when he tried to shoot himself in the head right so in light of his and the cousins
allegations which were brought to light by therapy Scott underwent after the suicide attempt the Boulder County
Sheriff's Office investigated pton and they were able to bring some charges against this man in
1991 a jury convicted Payton of six counts of sexual assault on a child he was sentenced to 7 years apparently he
was released after five he returned to the area where he had lived when he was abusing the boys and lived out his
remaining days there in a letter to the court objecting to a sentence reduction for Payton Scott Kimble wrote The
Following quote Ted pton denied me my right to a normal healthy innocent childhood because of Ted Payton's
selfishness and his need for sexual gratification he has damaged my life forever end quote now recovered from his
suicide attempt Scott relocated to Spokane Washington in the early 1990s he obtained employment in the timber
business out there he brought along with him his girlfriend this is Lissa hence who he met in Montana in 1993 the two
were married Scott is now 27 at this point on our timeline now this young new couple they had two sons one in late of
1993 and one in 1996 mhm it doesn't sound like things panned out in the timber trade there because Scott and
Lissa filed for bankruptcy in June of 1996 and the couple divorced in 1997 later Lissa would reveal some
details of of her married life uh to Scott Kimbell and says that Scott was not operating within the law Scott's
pasted of his you know modus operandi of defrauding people and stealing funds continued during the course of their
marriage according to Lissa he engineered scam after scam and had people constantly chasing after him
trying to collect money that he frauded them out of or stole from them and possibly a reason why he moved to
Washington in the first place yeah and the other thing though too as we said he he always managed to avoid actual jail
or prison time but this would this would end in September of 1997 when he did serve 27 days in jail for uh unknown
offenses I do not know what the the the charges were now we're making it out 20 27 days isn't
that long well exactly I don't know what the charge would have been it could have
been something pretty that's a that's a hiccup that's a vacation pretty minor um
yeah not one that I want to take though um we're making it out as though Scott is some kind of low-level con artist who
you know just happen to get away with check cashing scam and fraudulent money making schemes but what I believe that
we will see here captain that the the truth of the matter is that Scott he's pretty talented as a con
artist and I think what we're going to see is that his con artist skills might be off the
charts and you know everyone who met him even those I'll judge that determined to
see him in prison for the remainder of his days be grudgingly admits that Scott was the best at this uh universally he
they say he was liked he was jovial friendly and seemingly trustworthy this is how Scott was described time and time
again over and over by these people that that knew him and met him throughout his
life well you can tell even by his later interviews that there is a brain inside
his head yeah and what we will see at we go through this is he truly just he snowed people he befriended
people made them feel special build up their trust and then he cheated them yeah but he's no Frank caban now what
happens next on the Scott timeline gives us a clear-cut example of how trustworthy he really seemed to be in
the spring of 1999 Scott Kimble agreed to work for the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms as an informant on
a stolen guns investigation yes this is an agency of our federal government taking on a con man a scam
artist a fraudulent check Rider into their fold now it's not really clear how this Arrangement came about and it did
not result in any arrest although Scott reportedly gave the ATF some names but not only did Scott get personal
satisfaction from being a trusted informant for the feds he got paid for a grand total of
$1,865 the the relationship was over by November of 1999 but Scott Kimble benefited both as we said financially
but also in the terms of establishing Goodwill with the feds by December of 1999 it was apparent
that Scott was not only a scam artist but he was also violent on December 8th his ex-wife Lissa reported to spoke
police that Scott kidnapped her at gunpoint raped her and forced her and the couple's two sons to accompany him
back to Montana no charges were filed for this incident and there's a lot of speculation here as to why there were no
charges filed I don't know that I feel super comfortable getting into it knowing as little as we do about this
situation um but we would see this one more time this when Lissa again called police this time on December
18th uh saying that Scott had broke into her house that night and held her at gunpoint then he made her take a bath
and stole money from her purse again no case no charges were brought forward in this incident as well now remember the
two suspended sentences for convictions for passing bad checks that wait he he go over that
again he broke in made her take a bath after another sexual assault and there's and there's no charges
whatsoever that's correct that's ridiculous again I I don't want to speculate as to why there were no
charges both of these situations we know very little about yeah so I mean it could be
could be as simple as something as she calls to the police and then later says I don't want to press any charges that's
why I don't want to get into the speculation of it I don't I don't we can't fault the the police department if
the the person that notifies them later then says no I don't want to I don't want to bring any charges well no you
can fault them on some level because there's a possibility that she just doesn't feel safe enough that she can
press the charges that that if she if she presses the charges this guy's an animal and look what he already did to
me he might come back and and kill me I agree but I think that it's irresponsible of myself to lay blame to
someone or or an organization with with knowing nothing really about the situation yeah well let's not lay blame
to to the organization but let's let's lay blame on the the idea that we we know this situation happened and we
don't know why it went down this way but well that's why I don't want to shitty CU I don't it happened I don't know that
it happened so uh I want to go back to the two suspended sentences for uh the the bad checks that took place in 1988
when Scott was just 21 so he finds himself in jail once again this time in January of 2000 this
time for violating his probation remember he got probation for those charges MH he violated his probation
this is for traveling and also for failing to report now finally a little Justice
here this takes place in April of 2000 a judge threw the book at him Scott was sentenced to 10 years in Montana State
Prison this for violating those probations now 5 years of this sentence were suspended but Scott was looking at
5 years of hard time 5 years in the clink District Judge Hansen wrote of Scott quote the defendant is impossible
to supervise in a community setting you're irresponsible untruthful and simply do what you want to do regardless
of the rules and conditions imposed by this court then even more charges were brought against him this time for three
counts of felony check forgery that occurred in 1999 in Spokan his additional conviction piled
up eight more months onto his prison sentence this is where the story really starts to
gain some momentum here Captain Scott's sentence his 5 years 8 months with the 5
years suspended actually only resulted in him serving 15 months in July of 2001 he was relocated to a pre-release
Center in Helena Montana He was permitted to get a job on the outside and just report back to the
center when not at work Scott landed himself a job as a cashier at the easy stop gas station but within just a
couple of weeks Scott decided a change of scenery would be nice on July 29th Scott was working alone at the gas
station let's quickly review what the good judge said of Scott remember saying he was impossible to supervise in a
community he's irresponsible untruthful and simp simply does not he simply does what he wants regardless of the rules
well the district judge Hansen was what we call here in the garage exactly right
so while working at the station alone on the 29th of July Scott lifted $677 from the register he stole a work
truck and he took off for Parts Unknown lock your doors now I imagine there was several slim gems and a Big Gulp stolen
from that g station as well that didn't go reported right and that's the real crime here well now Scott you are a
wanted man a warrant was issued for the arrest of Scott Lee Kimble but where did
Scott hi tail it to on the run from the law in this stolen truck where else but the furthest place away he could think
of Alaska it's not known how Scott managed to get across the Canadian border but knowing his Charisma and
charm he probably probably just sweet talked his way in there and it didn't really take long for him to turn up in
Alaska Captain this is because he could not resist falling back on his old ways writing bad checks this time Scott
assumed the identity of Brett Kimble his brother in the few months since his Escape Brett wrote
$25,000 in counterfeit checks collected the cash and had landed himself a fiance
as far as this woman whose name is Katherine Curtis was concerned Scott was a man named Brett Kimble and they were
in love and living in a hotel room where Scott was eventually found and arrested
during a raid along with $1,300 in cash well it just proves that love is the biggest con of
[Music] all this show is sponsored by better help do you look forward to the holidays maybe
you struggle with seasonal Blues this time of year can be a lot and it's natural to feel some sadness or even
anxiety about it but adding something new and positive to your life can counteract some of those feelings
therapy can be a bright spot something to look forward to to make you feel grounded and to give you the tools to
manage everything going on if you're thinking of starting therapy give better help a try it's entirely online designed
to be convenient flexible and suited to your schedule just fill out a brief questionnaire to get matched with a
licensed therapist and switch therapist at any time for no additional charge find your bright spot this season with
betterhelp visit betterhelp.com garod to get 10% off your first month that's betterhelp
hp.com garage dreaming of overseas Adventures or connecting more deeply with family
from afar Rosetta Stone Bridges the language Gap I've tried others but Rosetta Stone's immersive lessons and
voice feedback technology are game changers dive into 25 Languages by learning intuitively just like when you
were a kid and here's the holiday Sparkle grab a lifetime membership now and save 50% gift yourself the world
head to rosettastone.com now and save 50% at Consumer Cellular you get the same exact coverage as the largest carriers
but for up to half the cost same thing up to half the cost up to half the cost for the same thing 50% the money for
100% the same thing I hope I'm making myself clear Consumer Cellular when Freedom calls we're here to answer call
us at 1888 Freedom half the cost savings based on cost of consumer cellular single line 5 GB data plan with
unlimited talk and text compared to lowest cost single line postpaid unlimited talk text and data plan
offered by T-Mobile and Verizon May [Music] 2023 all right cheers mates happy St
Patrick's Day to everybody yeah cheers and uh if you're looking for a computer shirt check out the store
Page also wash your hands and be nice to each other yeah wash wash your hands don't touch your face all right we are
going to do a little bouncing around here through a few years on our timeline but while while this is not going to be
in chronological order this order makes sense to me so we're going to roll with it because of the activities and Scott's
actions I guess what I'm trying to say here Captain is pay much less attention to the actual dates that we say but pay
more attention to Scott's actions as as we go through this piece of the story Scott of course was not happy sitting in
jail and he managed to come up with some excitement for himself you know always seeking the Limelight and backs slapping
from authorities Scott snitched that his cellmate one Arnold flowers who was in for fraud had asked him to hire a hitman
to murder a federal judge a prosec computer and two witnesses so Scott also named Arnold's
girlfriend as a co-conspirator in this whole thing and sure enough a press released by the US Department of Justice
dated March 22nd 2002 states that flowers and his girlfriend were indicted for plotting to kill a judge a
prosecutor and a witness in the fraud case so according to the Department of Justice release
flowers had provided a handwritten note of four intended victims to an intermediary who was to make contact
with a Hitman of course this intermediary was Scott the plot went so far as to see the girlfriend go to a
hotel room to meet the person she believed to be a Hitman and pay him a down payment for the murders the
department of Justice release concludes quote the investigation leading to the arrest was the result of a Cooperative
effort of the United States Secret Service Federal Bureau of Investigation Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms
and the United States Marshals service and quote what what's really going on here exactly is what we have to kind of
look at this situation and kind of examine it right yeah do we think that Scott just stumbled into a
murder for higher plot and decided to sing like a bird and rat on his cellmate for the good of the
land I'm thinking probably not mhm so here's what I think probably happened here Captain I think Scott may have
figured out a way to kind of orchestrate this whole thing in a way of saying you
know if he starts telling his cellmate hey I I know Hitmen or or I know people that will will kill somebody for for
money you know I can put out a contract on someone and this guy who's in sitting
in jail sitting in prison starts mouthing off saying hey I'd like to kill that judge that put me in here oh by the
way I'd like to kill that prosecutor that put me in here and they wouldn't have been able to put me away if it
wasn't for those two witnesses right and I think this this handwritten note I call in a question too is it possible
that that Scott Manu factured that note and provided it as some piece of evidence against these individuals what
I'm getting at here is look there there's a good chance that his his cellmate probably did want to kill these
people and had intentions to especially after Scott tells them hey I know how to
to set something like this up but is this this is seems to me more about you know what I'm in prison how
can I weasel my way out of here as fast as possible I'm going turn on this dude and get in good with with the
authorities right Scott went on to testify at the trial which took place in 2003 and the pair was convicted of
witness tampering but they were acquitted of the murder for higher charges now Scott was paid this really
sucks Scott was paid $188,000 by the FBI for his cooperation as a witness in the
cas case against flowers and his girlfriend that's so stupid that's a lot of Rolling Papers yeah in October of
2001 this is before it's a lot of slim JY yeah this is before the the flowers murder plot that we just discussed
assistant us attorney Tom Wales he's 49 years old he's a father of two he's killed at his home in Seattle Washington
someone shot through a basement window and shot him while he was sitting at a desk down there in his
basement we know from what we could find that Scott was in the Seattle area in the fall of 2001 this was just for a
short time this is when he opened up a bogus Wells Fargo account under the name Brett Kimble his brother's name he would
later tell Federal authorities that he had information about the wells murder now I should point out that this case
technically is unsolved to this day the wells murder case is still unsolved investigators eventually began
to suspect that Scott actually may have had something to do with the murder either himself or
through somebody else although if that's true the motive would be truly unknown it we we could speculate but there
doesn't seem to be an obvious motive here now according to book written by Scott's cousin the book is titled SLK
serial killer Scott was working on a fishing boat in Seattle in the fall of 2001 and Scott was arrested in Alaska
this in November of 2001 he used information about the Wales murder case to play the FBI gleaning
whatever information he could about the case off of the internet he convinced authorities that he had overheard a
couple of inmates talking about the wells case and that he might be able to offer them information about this Wells
case so Scott starts feeding the FBI bogus information he strung them along pretty good meeting with agents a number
of times including one 3-day meeting in Seattle that took place from February 24th to the 27th of 2003 well let's
think about this for a second I need to inform it know that this guy is a criminal or career-long con man do you
really mess with a con man I I wonder how that meeting went down I wonder if there was two FBI
agents one sitting looking at the other one going hey this guy is not to be trusted he is a con man and the other
guy going I don't know I kind of believe him seems like a good guy so what's interesting here I think
is the continued the continued Mo of Scott Kimble okay twice he finds himself Behind Bars and when he does it seems
like he's coming up with these plans of I'm going to turn on this guy or these guys and what carrot do I have to dangle
in front of the authorities because if you if you go to him likely look this is all speculation here but if I'm Scott
Kim and I go to him and I say hey this guy that I'm in cell with or these guys that I overheard talking in the
yard um they're going to kill some dude that you never heard of maybe he's a drug Pusher or or a check counterfeit or
or somebody else some dude you never heard of I have information on that Scott's smart enough to know I need
that's not a big carrot that's not a very big enough carrot to to really help my situation that seems to be all he's
attempting to do what do we see in the first case he's turning on his cellmate saying you this guy was going to kill a
judge he was going to kill a prosecutor he was going to kill Witnesses the the Department of Justice and the the law
enforcement the authorities value the protection of witnesses like you wouldn't believe and they should very
smartly so yeah correct and he's like he's going to kill two witnesses and hire somebody to and then what is what
do we see once he's once again in prison it's oh I heard I might have some information regarding the murder of the
assistant us attorney Tom Wales so these are big carrots that he's coming up with and I it's almost like to
me like you pointed out it's like why why would you why would the FBI why would these organizations get involved
with this guy who clearly is a con man it clearly is a scam artist he's one he's one of these
people that he's Behind Bars because of what they would call paper cases where you can easily put together evidence
against this individual because everything he stole or frauded people from was the result of of paper a paper
trail that he put together himself that you can apply to him and get the conviction what we have here though is
somebody going look we can these this is a big cases this is a big to-do this is violent this is murder
this is judges prosecutors us attorneys this is big a big deal maybe we deal with this little paper case guy because
we we need to prevent these big things from taking place right we we're we're after bigger fish is what I think you
think is happening at the time now as we said the Wales case is unsolved um apparently it sounds to me
like investigators suspect that that Scott Kimble may have actually he could have possibly been the shooter there
there's some speculation as to that Captain I don't want to get too far into that
um but I think the reason why they think that there was a strange letter that shows up to the Seattle FBI office okay
this letter was postmarked from Las Vegas and dated January 3rd in this letter the writer said that he was the
killer of Tom Wales he said a woman hired him to shoot Wales we will get into this much much
more later but there is some good reason to possibly believe that Scott was passing through Las Vegas in January of
2006 so there's a chance that he wrote and mailed the letter I I'm I'm getting a little confused in
the story here as to what I believe is likely I don't know that that he may have been the shooter or if he's really
just manipulating the system because as said it seems to me like all the information he was able to provide to
the authorities regarding the murder of Wales he could have found all that on the internet right which if he's sitting
behind bars and he gets used of a computer at the uh you know when you go to the library or wherever that he could
have he could have found all of that information and pieced it together with some of these cells these days they
might have computers right in their cell well keep in mind like one of the one of
the biggest problems that we have in uh some of these prisons is the prisoners want to sneak in cell phones they want
to get a cell phone in there one cuz they can call whomever they want whenever they want but also I would
imagine you can get some kind of Internet Service as well right well I know I have a friend that was
complaining because it was their turn they have a relative that's in jail and it was their turn they all decided as a
family to help this individual uh try to reform and and better his life that they
would get cable for his cell so they pay like a monthly fee for this little TV that gets uh CA
in the cell so it's basically like a Netflix uh Netflix and chill Behind Bars mhm yeah I just be sitting in there
watching reruns of Monk and the office constant I think real solv Mysteries real
punishment you know and I don't want to get in a whole debate of what prisoners should have and what they shouldn't have
because I actually I actually believe depending on what type of prison you are are in and what type of offender you are
that should vary maybe there's like a tear process but at least the the worst of the worst when they have cable that
angers me so badly um I think that the the real the real bad guys you know what real punishment is C-SPAN baby you can
watch C-SPAN for that's all you get to see and you get maybe 45 minutes of it a day tear your eyes out yeah I think we
should start off with a genital mutilation and then work up from there you know to really punish people well so
what does the Tom Wales murder and Scott Kimble's telling the Feds that he had information on this case have to do with
the bigger picture let's just say that that his cooperation and this is key this is key to our story here Captain
his cooperation with the authorities on the Wales case and also the flowers case
that we already went through this is what would lead the FBI to turn him turn to him again in another case down the
road and we will see that that will have devastating consequences all right Captain so for
those of you following along at home and for those of you who are completely lost
what we have here is we have Scott Lee Kimble who has spent the last few years in and out of prison he's been arrested
for multiple different charges and even in uh different areas as well so regarding the the order of this let's
go to 2002 because there's going to be something very significant to the story that takes place in 2002 this remember
Scott was arrested in Alaska for forging checks and because he escaped from that
prison pre-release in Montana in June He is transferred to federal prison in Littleton Colorado this is because he
told authorities that his life had been threatened by multiple inmates this is because he's a snitch by this point he's
snitched on his cellmates uh especially the we're talking about the flowers case here so
Scott's history of cooperating with authorities would soon earn him another informant role and a prison release in
the fall of 2002 Scott reported to the FBI that his cellmate a Steve Enis had asked got to murder another drug dealer
this guy's name is Jason price who was going to testify against Steve Enis Andis was doing 10 years in federal
prison on drug charges for running a massive ecstasy distribution Network and the DEA was monitoring his activities
carefully now it's unclear what if anything Steve Enis was really cooking up again is this something that Steve
Enis was actually putting into place or is something that Scott Kimble is manufacturing and providing bogus
information in regards to it seems possible that Steve might have made some noises about wanting this guy dead and
then Scott acted on that um it's unclear what Steve thought Scott's role in Steve's plans were because he wasn't
supposed to be getting out anytime soon so that's what's a little tricky here how would Steve think that Scott
could help him while they're both on the inside so this makes three times well yeah and that's why I kind of
pointed out that I think it's a little strange that Steve would try to get Scott involved in this whole murder for
higher plot because how would Steve think that Scott could provide him any assistance
in this when Scott is looking at doing almost as much time as as Steve right you you know you how's he
going to get this going from the inside Steve could probably get this going on his own from the inside and we know how
these prison populations work this dude was already moved there because he's saying hey I'm being threatened because
I I'm a snitch I've ratted out some other guys before so Scott seems like the last person that an inmate would
tell hey I'm thinking about killing this guy that's going to testify against me at trial this this rival uh drug dealer
or whatever you want to call him I want this guy dead it doesn't make sense that
he would tell Scott that's why I question here Captain is this something that Scott just totally manufactured all
on his own because he's learned time and time again and he's he's executed this before where he goes you know I'm going
to either make up this stuff about this guy or I'm going to rat on this dude over over real stuff either way it's
going to benefit me me and in this situation it could get me out of prison very quickly so that that's why I wanted to
bring that up because we got to keep in mind even though he's becoming an informant and he's ratting on these
dudes is there a chance that he's just manufacturing all this stuff himself and putting the pieces together and then
feeding it to the authorities so really this situation to me is very reminiscent of the flowers
case that we already discussed because somehow Scott got word to the FBI that his cellmate Steve Enis was
plotting to kill someone on the outside and again as I stated this is another witness yeah this is when the FBI will
the same setup right it's like it's like you said you can you can watch his interviews you can see him you can
listen to him speak there's a brain in there this guy is there's also brains in the FBI agents you'd think they'd go hey
this this seems familiar oh I agree age with you 100% 100% it's strange to me how this guy was able to make this work
time and time again but I I do think he's probably pretty good at what he did and that's no excuse but it's also one
of these things that he's like Scott Kimbell figured out like this works and I'm going to keep doing it until it
stops working so what we have here is a known con man a known criminal guy that's suspected other other crimes
other than con man situations the FBI there's no excuse for that there's no excuse for our FBI to be tricked oh
I'm not going to pretend it's completely dumb of them to believe him time and time again I think what they're blinded
by is what we pointed out earlier this is a this is a paper case guy pretty low level who doesn't seem to be violent I
mean we do have those allegations of things by his ex-wife but there were never charges brought forward on any of
that so they're not seeing that stuff but what what they're seeing is oh we got these bigger fish that we want to go
after oh they're seeing that stuff they know that it happened and they know there was no
charges that that that stuff doesn't just go away the FBI would know that stuff or should know that stuff he
wouldn't have any record of it though I'm just saying they should I'm just saying that RF if if there was a a
possible situation that their charges were never brought that might not go on your criminal history but that's not
that's not the record that the FBI has of each individual in America they have a lot of data on you on me on every
listener that's listening to the show well regardless this is going to be when the FBI formally will take on Scott
Kimble as an actual informant and this is going to earn Scott a release from prison yeah hold on cuz if if he fools
you twice might as well have him work for you this takes place on December 18th 2002 when Scott is released from
prison in order to quote actively cooperate with the FBI on the stepen inis matter end quote what was Scott's
role in this whole thing well he was ordered by FBI agent Carl schlaf to pretend to be a man named Joseph Lee
Scott and the FBI was going to set him up with this new identity provided to him uh and they
gave him a birth certificate and a driver's license saying that he was in fact Joseph Lee Scott so Scott Kimble
who is now Joe Scott he's put in charge of keeping an eye on Steve ennis's girlfriend her name is Jennifer Markham
so Scott Kimbell told authorities this is how we get to Jennifer Markham he told authorities that
Jennifer Markham an's girlfriend since she is the one on the outside she is going to be the one that sets up this
whole murder plot I'm guessing that means Kimble told law enforcement that she was going to hire the killer so
Jennifer Markham was also a potential witness for the DEA in a large meth case the short of it is Scot Le Kimble is now
out of prison living under a new identity and working with the FBI and all of this is going to turn into some
very bad bad business and fairly quickly now before we wrap up here Captain we must give a big thank you and
shout out to a website this is scotle Kimble decom it's a website that is maintained by The Daily Camera which is
a Boulder Colorado newspaper dating all all the way back to 1890 that's right your great great
grandfather was reading the Daily Camera the website was invaluable to our research and the site includes a
timeline and links to numerous articles about the case and if the name the Daily
Camera sounds familiar longtime listeners will remember the Daily Camera was a great source for our six-part John
Benet Ramsay coverage which took place in episodes 280 to 2 [Music] 285 for more True Crime garage check out
the free Stitcher app it has all of our old episodes and make sure you check out
our other show it's called off the Record and it's available on Stitcher premium join us back here in the garage
tomorrow until then be good be kind and don't liveen [Music] [Applause] [Music] you can start your day off right when
you find a professional on Angie to get your plumbing right first connect with skilled professionals
to get all your home projects done well visit angie.com you can do this when you
Angie that

Serial Killer /// Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 1 /// 382

Part 1 of 4

www.TrueCrimeGarage.com (http://www.truecrimegarage.com/)

Scott Kimball was a con and a fraud. Somehow he was working with the F.B.I. During his time as an informant the people around him started to disappear. Join us as we discuss a Serial Killer who always seemed to get his way. Beer of the Week - Polygamy Porter from Wasatch Brewery Garage Grade 4 out of 5 Bottle Caps

The full archive of True Crime Garage is available on the Stitcher listening app - for FREE. Our show “Off the Record” is only on Stitcher Premium. For a FREE month of listening go to http://stitcherpremium.com/truecrimegarage and use promo code GARAGE

Beer Fund: https://truecrimegarage.com/home

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Brief Summary

Scott Lee Kimble's life of crime and manipulation leads to his role as an FBI informant, revealing the dangers of trusting a con artist.

Key points

Scott Kimble's Troubled Youth. Scott Kimble faced a tumultuous childhood marked by abuse and reckless behavior.
Life-Changing Suicide Attempt. At 23, Scott attempted suicide, revealing years of hidden abuse.
Becoming an Informant. Scott worked as an informant for the ATF, showcasing his con artist skills.
Violent Turn in Scott's Life. Scott's violent behavior escalated, leading to multiple police reports from his ex-wife.
Sentenced to Prison. Scott was finally sentenced to 10 years in prison for violating probation.
Scott's Escape to Alaska. After stealing a truck, Scott flees to Alaska, assuming his brother's identity.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Ted Payton denied me my right to a normal healthy innocent childhood.

Scott Kimble's statement to the court about his abuser.

17:00WatchNov 16, 2023

Tension

65/ 100Some tension

More from True Crime Garage TV

Solve the Crime

Read a real case one clue at a time, then see how your call held up against the investigators.