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[Music] crime [Music] [Applause] [Music] Nancy Annie's mother jumped on an overnight flight to Dublin she arrived
on Tuesday March 30th and went straight to the local gardi St to report her daughter missing Nancy assured the
guarde that her daughter would not have just left she was happy and thrilled to be living in Ireland even stranger
Annie's possessions anything that you would anticipate somebody taking with them if they planned on leaving they
were all found right where Annie left them in the flat the guard's investigation got off to a slow start
Annie's missing photo and public appeal for information were not issued for another 7 days this is 7 days after her
mother arrived Annie's father joined Nancy and Dublin for the search of their daughter the mcck together stayed for 6
weeks working with the Garde on the investigation the Garde put together that Annie had called her friend an that
day asking her to go hiking that Annie had been possibly seen taking this bus in the direction of inis Ky which then
naturally kind of shifted the focus of their investigation from the Sandy Mount area to the inis KY area right and then
of course we have the possible sightings of her at the post office and the pub after that there was nothing frustrated
with the lack of progress the mccarrick hired a seasoned private investigator recommended to them by the US Embassy
one local printer even offered to print up 10,000 Flyers advertising Annie's disappearance which included her picture
and her description which included the outfit they believe she was wearing that day a
dark tweed jacket right Ox blood colored boots jeans and a Large Satchel type bag
which her mother Nancy says Annie took with her everywhere this description of her clothes is pretty much backed up by
what we saw on on the bank CCTV footage with their private investigator the mccarrick canvas the inisar area going
door too with Annie's photo to all of the homes between the small village and Johnny Fox's Pub Garde officers spoke
with all of Annie's friends two former boyfriends were questioned although Gard would not address whether they were
actually suspects right all those with records of sexual assault in the vicinity were question official searches
were conducted hundreds of Acres were in fact searched in this investigation a computer generated sketch of the man in
the wax jacket supposedly seen by the bouncer was circulated describing this man as being in his mid 20s 5'9 in to 5'
10 in tall with dark brown hair a media blitz saturated the news with photos and
details about Annie resulting in hundreds of tips the mccarrick desperate even consulted psychics right in this
investigation but despite all of these efforts no trace of Annie mccarrick has ever has ever been found the private
investigator hired by the mccarrick family this is Brian McCarthy says that after looking into
Annie's disappearance and to the following all the leads that he could find and I couldn't get a great detailed
answer for this here Captain but he says the private investigator says he does not believe that the woman seen at
Johnny Fox's that night was Annie yeah everybody has their own beliefs and and you wonder is that coming from evidence
or is that just coming from a gut feeling this case is weird because when we look at something like Brian schaer
again so weird to me that these missing person cases schaer goes into a bar he's
last seen on on surveillance Mara Murray she's last seen at a ATM now we have Annie's case she was
last seen that day that she went missing on at that the CCTV footage mhm it it makes that footage so much more
haunting but yeah but yeah it's um this one's different and it feels different because you can't really have
the argument of normally with the missing person case you go okay well is there a reason they would want to run
away she kind of already did she yeah she's living elsewhere yep she's living across the pond thousands of miles away
from her family thousands of miles away from where she grew up so that kind of already happen but she didn't do so in a
way where she wanted to lessen contact with her family she was still close with her family her mother's coming to visit
yes her father didn't want her to go back but at some point your family gets over that so there's no if she wanted to
lose contact with her past or her family all she had to do is just not answer a phone anymore do look and I know that ru
have changed since 911 so this being 1993 may not really apply to what I'm thinking now but do you need a passport
to travel from country to country in Europe because a lot of times you can just H hop on a train and and go to
another country right where in the US we're not so we're not built like that you know it's we're traveling to another
state often but since 911 you need a passport to get to Canada right you didn't before but what I'm getting
getting at here I only bring that up because we do know her passport was found in her apartment right so if she
was planning on leaving she's already kind of slowing down her travel in some manner by not taking that with her I
could be wrong but I would I still think to this day you just need your ID to get
to certain countries that you don't even need your passport over in the UK what did Jerry Seinfeld say about a driver's
license what what is required to have a driver's license apparently just a face yeah you know for the picture taking
process you need no hands sadly Captain after a year-long investigation gardi turned up really nothing new in this
case well again there's also thousands of sightings yeah that they had to run down and when you think about
investigating anything can you imagine every time you get a call saying oh we think we saw her at this restaurant or
we think we saw her here and how many 5'6 to 5' 10 Bernette Americans did somebody meet and go oh my God I think
that's Annie so the amount of work that they had to put into this case was was tremendous Nancy and John her parents
returned to the US This months earlier you know we're at the year-long portion of the investigation now on our timeline
they they went back months earlier but they did go back to Ireland again in uh once more this on the first
anniversary of her disappearance right hopeful that the publicity just from their
visit and the reward money which was now $150,000 I'm guessing that's in dollars
uh was announced they were hoping that this would spur some type of movement on the case it did not nothing new about
Annie's case was reported until October of 2008 yeah when an article in the Irish Times reported the following uh
and bear with me as I read through this gardi investigating The Disappearance of
and presumed murder of American student Annie M mccarrick have interviewed two new suspects the suspects were
identified after the gard's cold case review Squad recommended a reinvestigation of the case by gardi and
Bray County Wicklow the case was formally handed over during the summer and has now resulted in the
identification of two new suspects and the presumed murder of the New Yorker the Irish Times understands the
investigating team selected the two men for interview based on a review of statements taken when Miss mcck
disappeared 15 years ago and also based on more recent information from members of the public gardi Believe Miss car was
last seen in Johnny Fox's Pub and Glenn Colin County wolo on March 26th 1993 so we have the private investigator
who says I don't think she was ever there we have this article that makes it sound like gardi investigators believe
that she was at Johnny foxes um yeah and then it goes on to mention a few different things I'm going to kind of
skip around here um they're mentioning all this stating while this was going on in '93 while a con icted jailed rapist
has long been noted in the media as a suspect neither of these two men that were interviewed is neither of them were
arrested or considered to be a PR a prisoner at any time and as we said uh it doesn't sound like they were
officially suspects and it does say in this article that neither of them have a criminal
record but what is interesting is they're saying we went back and we're reviewing all of the old information
that we did have and because of this we see this in a lot of cases when they go cold and you hand them over to new
investigators they go oh wait a second this lead and this lead these were potential leads that we do not believe
were properly followed up on at that time right or had nowhere to go at that time yeah so now we're going to talk to
these two individuals and try to clear some things up at least it's a lead that they're following up further on but we
don't know the nature of those interviews and we do know that they weren't considered as far as the media
knows to be actual suspects well the laws over there are different as well too because if you're accused of a
sexual assault or rape uh as a male they do not use your name so and I've thought about this just in
the last couple days because there was some charges against uh possibly charges against a UFC fighter
Conor McGregor that have never really hit the mainstream media in America but a lot of that is we're not clear if he
was charged or not because they don't use the person's name so on one sense you think well that's this country
protecting the males but on on some level maybe it's a way to by everything being a little more closed down and a
little more controlled by the courts maybe it's allowing for the female accusers or the female victims to
be able to come forward in such a way that they they feel more likely to come forward if that
makes any sense well I think where we need to go from from here Captain is we need to go through what we introduced to
everyone in the trailer which is Ireland's Vanishing triangle and I I do want to make a
special note here about my research for these cases that we're about to get into I relied quite a bit extensively in
fact on a book called missing presumed by Alan Bailey yeah I kept on hearing that uh in the different documentaries
and things they would talk about that book I'm I'm assuming it's pretty well written something that we have yet to
mention which goes along with the vanishing triangle is the the investigative initiative called
operation Trace so in the time period between 1993 and 1998 a significant number of women vanished in an 80m area
outside of Dublin in the Linder area and what became known as The Vanishing triangle six of these cases are
particularly well known so let's take a brief look at these disappearances which
did begin with Annie mccarrick's case so following her disappearance we have The Disappearance of Jojo
Dollard on November 9th 1995 21-year-old Josephine known better as JoJo Dollard went missing she was a waitress who
lived with her sister in Kalen a small town in the county of Kilkenny that Thursday night she met
with friends in Dublin quite a ways from home and planned to return home by bus however she missed the last bus and
started hitchhiking which as we said was fairly common during this time her first two
rides took her halfway home to the town of Moen and I hope I have that right I probably don't m o n e where she called
a friend from a phone booth this is around midnight Captain she told her friend that she was hitching a ride and
waiting for another ride to come along multiple Witnesses later told the Garde that she saw that they saw a young woman
talking in the phone booth but with the door open and she's still trying to thumb a ride even though she's on the
phone apparently while she's on the phone with her friend she tells the friend hey hold on
a minute she's gone for about 30 seconds before returning to the phone and saying
to the friend I have a lift I'm off a witness driving by told police that she saw a car pull over near that phone
booth and saw a woman get into a vehicle JoJo Dollard was never seen again Garde
officers spoke with the two drivers that picked up Jojo and drove her you know as
far that far that night but again after that point it's it's really a mystery we
also have 17-year-old Sierra Breen who went missing from the seaside town of dundock and this is on February 13th
1997 Sierra's mother said that she and Sierra went to bed around midnight and when she got up about 2: in the
morning she noticed that her daughter was gone they found the latch to her window
it it was unlocked the general thought here and this is the opinion of her mother and
the guard D was that at some point in the night Sierra decided to leave on her own and left the window you know went
out the window leaving it unlocked so that whenever she was going to sneak back into the home she would have a way
in she too has never been seen since then in August of 1996 in the town of tulamar a 25-year-old hairdresser
named Fiona Pender went missing she is reported to to be 7 months pregnant at the time of her disappearance she's last
seen at an apartment that she shared with her boyfriend John Thompson he says he left for work to go work on his
family farm at 6:00 a.m. it was thought that she may have gone out uh after sometime after he left but
what we do know is she is never seen again after this statement of John Thompson saying hey I left and she was
she was fine at the time a friend stopped by her apartment later that day but the curtains were drawn so she
assumed Fiona was asleep and you know nobody answers the door her family does report her missing
this was not until the next day extensive searches and inquiries turned up nothing we have a second Fiona to go
through as well here Captain this is in February of 1998 Fiona Senate disappeared after
leaving Butler's po Pub in Wexford she had recently suffered a breakup with the father of her child but everyone says
she was in good spirits and had social plans she looked forward to this according to her family that night she
met up with friends at the pub and left at closing time to walk a mile along Country Roads to her home this is the
last sighting of Fiona she was not reported missing for 10 days her home uh that she was renting at the time
provided no clues that I could find in any of the reports I think the thought here Captain is that she never made it
back to her home that night right in July of 98 still another mysterious disappearance this was this is the
Tipping Point okay you talked about earlier oh nobody should be hitchhiking we got all these missing women this here
is the that's from 70s though in our timeline yeah yeah different histories uh we certainly learned our lesson
unfortunately here in the 70s uh in the United States but again this is when hysteria
is going to set in at least in the sense of the the press and in the media for Fears of a possible serial killer this
comes about when we have The Disappearance of an 18-year-old student teacher dear D
Jacob as with Annie's case dearr spent the day running errands in her hometown uh she was in Newbridge thanks to CCTV
footage it is known that dearra hit the bank at 2:30 p.m. the post office 10 minutes later and also went to the
grocery store she also visited her grandmother at the Sweet Shop she owned in town called she called a friend from
a phone kiosk and met some friends at a pub she was last seen exchanging greeting with a neighbor according to
one article quote neighbors saw her about 200 yard from her home and then suddenly she was gone she was standing
at the side of the road about to cross over the street and then she was gone according to articles from the time it
was established that deardra never made it to her front door she was never seen again despite Swift and massive official
searches for her her family has some kind of hope it sounds like that perhaps she ran off to start a new life but of
course they know how unlikely this is in the book missing presumed by Alan Bailey
he writes it was as if the Earth had opened and swallowed her hole that's like every missing person case though
right like yeah a lot of them it's it's almost like there's another dimension that they just slip
into well you're hitting on something here that I wanted to really make sure that we pointed out with that of Annie's
case okay that's what we're spotlighting in these two episodes Annie's case yes we have these other ones to
consider but with her case 1993 I feel like the problems all the things that are problematic about her
case and the investigation we wouldn't have those problems in 2020 there would have been a
lot more cameras going on right cell phone ping technology yeah cell phones we would have street cameras business
cameras we might even have cameras on these buses and what I'm pointing out here is not so much
so it's the correction of the timeline and her whereabouts along that timeline we we mentioned that a lot of those
sightings while some of them are very believable they are officially unconfirmed so we don't know what time
she went missing we don't know what account is the first false one right if somebody says hey I saw her at the post
office and she wasn't we we have other video evidence to prove that she never made it to that post office we know
something happened before right that potential sighting yeah or you take the pub for example with technology now or
or people constantly going to places all this is a heavy uh tourist attraction guess what happens at heavy tourist
attractions pictures are taken and would there be a way with the 300 and some people there taking pictures could we
could we have got picture of Annie like in the background of a picture to confirm that she actually made it to
that Pub yeah and and with all of these unexplained disappearances of young ladies in a relatively I mean these are
lowrisk Lifestyles that most of these ladies are living that's when we start seeing the headlines in the Irish media
that are going to talk about a possible serial killer preying on women in the areas around Dublin so we see a bit of a
media frenzy here with this now after Dedra disappeared in 1998 then uh Garde commissioner Pat burn established
operation Trace under an FBI trained assistant commissioner named John Hickey to investigate possible links between
the original six cases the two Fiona Annie JoJo Sierra and deerra right commissioner burn believed that all six
missing women had been murdered although it was premature to suggest that the cases were in fact linked one thing I
want to point out here Captain when we talk about this Vanishing triangle or what kind of list how many victims we
possibly have I've seen this list with as with as few as six victims who we just mentioned it seems pretty common
that eight is the common number reported right but I've also seen this to include
up to 15 strange occurrences and two of them being murders that took place before Annie
mccarrick went dis went missing right what I do want to point out though again eight seems to be the most
common number what's interesting to me about that number eight is within a 5ye and 4mon times span we have eight women
who are all I mean within a what 15 years of one another they all go missing and there this is like no trace of them
has ever found they don't find a body we talked about that in the trailer how at
some point they they're offering up a reward that just results in into leading investigators to an actual body right
you have with missing persons you have you have some terrible terrible things working against you in your
investigation a murder can be easier to investigate than a missing person's case
especially when you have the commissioner coming out and saying hey because there's been no activity we
believe that these eight missing women have been murdered we don't know if there's a link between any of them but
the thing that they don't have that you would have in a murder investigation you don't have a body
which which can contain a lot of evidence a lot of Cl Clues a lot of leads you don't have a crime scene So
you you're really working against it right away and have you seen footage of the surrounding areas that took place in
these searches some of them yes yeah I mean there's some spots that are so desolate and it's almost like the
perfect grounds to be able to go hide a body or to bury a body here's the other thing too we talked we referenced that
um the Wicklow area several times yeah and what we do know is when you look at when you look at lists that contain the
15 that I had mentioned they found some bodies in that Wick in the wicko mountains is what it's often referred to
as the more I kept reading about this Captain I started wondering like you know how like here we say oh the you
know like kind of kind of a common Dumping Ground right to hide bodies be it even when they're the
crimes are perpetrated by by different individuals you know is it like The Place Beyond the Pines where all they
everyone's kind of when you need a place to dump a body this is where you go but
one thing that I think that we see here and I'm I'm not going to to um I don't want to mislead anybody or take them
down any roads that we don't have to go down because we have a lot still to get to there there's no part of me that
believes all 15 of these cases are in fact connected there's no part of me that believes all eight of these cases
are in fact connected there are yes there are some similarities however we have in some of these cases
where individuals close to the missing person to the victim have been suspected of being
involved in their disappearance where we don't have that with Annie Annie's is a little more
mysterious and part of that too is she's not from there she's not from the area she's not lived there her whole life she
has a a shorter time span and a smaller circle of people and yet she goes missing and we don't have any clue as to
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[Music] 2023 Captain you have a lovely voice thank you for for singing that for us it
didn't really take me that long no just you know like one take that was me and the shower I I get a little higher so I
do want to mention here Captain we talked about this book missing presumed and really in this case in
these cases here there's really nobody more qualified for this type of book because Alan Bailey spent 13 years as
the national coordinator for the operation Trace task force the task force eventually came to the conclusion
that there was no serial killer involved in a statement that we would see uh by Bailey told to the Wicklow voice
newspaper in 2014 he said quote in the end we could name viable independent suspects in five of the cases on the
other hand others believe that Annie mccarrick Dedra Jacob and JoJo dard are all Linked In some form or fashion that
it is likely that one killer is responsible for those three disappearances right Gard assistant
commissioner Martin donellan who was the initial lead investigator on Annie's case spoke with the Irish
Times about 20 years later this is in 2013 he said to him the similarities between the cases of Annie Jojo and
Dedra could not be ignored these were he considered they all go missing around the same area
around the same time of day there was just too many possible similarities for him to to set that aside now though I
think we should get into some Persons of Interest Who we know were considered in
Annie's case first this is according to the April 2019 University Express article called
Ireland's Vanishing triangle we cited this article earlier in fact but they say that gardi originally focused on a
man Annie knew this was based on information gathered from one of her friends that Annie had a liaz on with
someone she had worked with according to the friend Annie had seen this man on the Saturday before her disappearance
and she told her friend that she had quote let things get out of hand with him and just wanted to forget about the
whole thing gardi questioned the man and blew apart The Alibi he provided which this of course is going to cast further
suspicion on him you provide an alibi that doesn't seem to be true after intensive questioning the man
admitted to the the interlude with Annie and told police he had lied to hide from
his girl girlfriend the fact that he was cheating with Annie Douger according to
this article the guarde took this at face value and it looks like never they never Revisited this man in question now
the book missing presumed also dismissed this man as a suspect this leads us to Robert
Howard in October of 2005 the BBC News reported that the guarde investigating the missing women of the vanishing
triangle had filed paperwork to interview a convicted murderer named Robert Howard he's 61 years old known in
the press as the werewolf Howard's records have been sealed but had recently been opened and
the Press determined that Howard had multiple convictions for rape murder and child abuse the files indicated that
police in both Ireland and England suspected that Howard may be linked to The Disappearance of up to six women two
cases in particular were being examined to see if Howard could be responsible these were the cases of Jojo Dollard and
Annie mccarrick since being convicted in 2003 Howard was serving a life sentence
for the 2001 rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl in London her name is Hannah Williams her body was found 2
years after she went missing Howard reportedly had up to 12 addresses in various parts of Ireland throughout the
1990s he was linked to a sexual attack on a teenage girl in Dublin in 1993 the same year that Annie vanished
so this very dangerous werewolf man is reported or believed to possibly have been in the area the same about the same
time that Annie goes missing right here we have one that I know you're going to like Captain in fact I
shouldn't say going to like I think you do like it this is the IRA Hitman so in 2009 Hitman okay keep going
a retired detective that's what I titled it it might be you might know it as something else in 2009 a retired
detective Sergeant uh remember we have Allan Bailey revealed that he had a very reliable source who told him what
happened to Annie he says this theory is explored in depth in his book now according to Bailey this
man had been seen by the bouncer at Johnny Fox's paying for Annie so under this Theory Annie was at Johnny Fox's
that night with this man who happens to be a what what I'm calling a Hitman he's
a Hitman for the West Belfast Brigade of the Irish Republican Army or Ira listeners might recall that the IRA
was an extremist militant Group which fought to end British rule of Ireland and ensure unification of the Irish
people under the democratic government this supposed Hitman had fled from murder charges in North Ireland and
was on the lamb in the Republic of Ireland living with some friends in a safe house near Johnny foxes according
to Bailey's Source The Hitman and Annie got a little drunk and the Hitman told Annie things he's not supposed to talk
about mhm so this is talking about illegal activities and about his organization might have talked about the
murder charges well when he realized that he had related secret information to her he
recognized that he needed to get rid of Annie he either offered her a ride or otherwise lured her into his Ford Sierra
while making sure that they were not seen leaving Johnny Fox's together after Annie and the Hitman left in his vehicle
he says he strangled her and hid her body under some bushes when he told his colleagues what he had done at the safe
house yeah they they well I don't I don't have information if it was the people at the safe house but I think
that's a safe assumption yeah he said they work to help dispose of her body more thoroughly somewhere in the Wicklow
mountains where she would never be found yeah they buried her apparently this Ira
Hitman later reportedly returned to Northern Ireland where it is believed that he may have
committed a sexual assault to which he then fled to America it seems like the the last known place he was possibly
living was in the state of Texas right right but it wasn't that he fled that the IRA helped him
leave yeah so to make that clear this is a story being told to um Mr Bailey about
what possibly happened to Annie that night yeah and what's tough about this and the reason why this makes a lot of
sense to me is that you have another member of the Ira coming forward and basically saying hey by the way that was
Annie and this guy that was a part of the IRA murdered her and we a collective group of people helped cover it up so by
coming forward you're not you're not just making the claim that again we've seen it in several cases where somebody
comes forward and makes a claim against somebody else and maybe they're more involved than what they're stating
but they're still involved so you have somebody coming forward and not coming forward in the
greatest of light I got to come forward and confess against this guy but I also have to conf I have to confess against
myself and on top of that I have to confess against other individuals that I know are horrible individuals I would
like to know more details of this Theory that's related to Mr Bailey because I think where it falls short
we still have no body there's there's no one to lead us to where Annie is if there's somebody at this area it's going
to be hard for you to remember unless you put her in a certain area based off of a certain Landmark you would it'd be
very difficult we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of Acres that they could have buried her I can get on board
with that I see that so but the other problem is start looking up the IRA and sexual assaults I mean there's multiple
individuals that raped children that they covered that up there sexual assaults they covered up they were
covering up murders people that should have been charged with crimes and they were having them you know they were
sending them to America so they wouldn't have to face these criminal charges mhm
and one of the things that I really do like about the eyewitness at the bar was he even States in his initial thing okay
flat chest uh we we have a broad should shoulders a militant haircut mhm and I just think with that eyewitness
account with the eyewitness account the person that knew or saw her in line to put her on a bus that would put her in
that area that's some evidence that she's in that area and then like I said the other guy
coming forward and then why does it it's going to lead to a dead end anyways because the IRA is covering up all this
nonsense that all their members have been a part of mhm and like I said to even Explore some of these
claims I didn't see anything on the first five or six pages of Google as you search because they're they're showing
all these other cases that the IRA has covered up or or set people away so they couldn't be charged with crimes it's
horrible so that leads us to a man that's probably better known in this case or these cases and his name is
Larry Murphy now according to the Irish American uh which is a publication and many other sources there is a prime
suspect in Annie's disappearance at least among the media this is the convicted rapist and attempted murderer
Larry Murphy age 35 known in the press as the Beast of bolting glass car really bad names in this case he's a well
they're referring to towns and Villages uh car he's a carpenter and handyman at one time he was living in Wicklow County
in 2000 and apparently had no criminal record when he abducted and repeatedly raped a 28-year-old woman who was
walking alone in a parking lot after closing down her business he was stalking this woman
watched her routines he hid his car nearby so he wouldn't be seen on camera he's waiting there for her and as
she goes to get into her vehicle he shoved her inside tied her up removed her shoes and drove to his car where he
transferred the victim to his trunk and drove off with her he drove her to a remote Forest Road
in the Wicklow mountains where he's attacking her and raping her and it looks like he's about
to kill her but the headlights of another vehicle suddenly shine on his vehicle inside we have two Hunters their
names are Trevor Moody and Ken Jones they saw that this woman is being attacked and they go to try to rescue
the woman to which Larry fled but the woman survived and was able to later describe him and furthermore one of the
hunters Trevor knew Larry's name it was somebody he knew it turned out that Larry had a history of violence toward
women including one whom he had tried to strangle but these incidents had never been reported and Trevor had encountered
Murphy in a pub just a week before this where a female friend told Trevor that Murphy was frightening and creepy yeah
when gardi showed up at Murphy's home after the rape and attempted murder his wife asked what was going on and the
guardi to which I'm sorry Murphy responds I raped a girl last night Larry was arrested convicted and sentenced to
15 years however he only served 10 years and was released in 2010 moving around Europe until he was
inevitably recognized and then moving on he was living in the Netherlands with another convicted rapist when the media
tracked him down and so he moved on again apparently sightings of him even false ones by residents of various small
towns have caused near Mass hysteria because of Murphy's Connection in the eyes of the public to
the missing women It is believed that he has returned to Ireland at some point and is living somewhere with his head
down and unbeknownst to his neighbors now Murphy is considered to be a very very serious suspect for Annie's
disappearance as well as some of the others by the Irish press at least for a few reasons
one it it it seems that he was living in the area at the time two his known motive was to abduct rape and aixi young
women walking alone in day time committing his heinous acts in the Wicklow mountains where it is believed
that Annie Poss possibly was heading on that day in question right Murphy fits the description of the man allegedly
seen with Annie at the pub he has been described as having boy next door looks also Murphy made some comments during
his interrogation that betrayed the fact that he had likely done this before when
being questioned about the young woman he was eventually convicted of attacking he says quote well she's alive isn't she
she was lucky this this almost giving off the impression like there might be others
that have not gone away scenario where you have a bunch of people going missing stops yeah so that's why a lot of people
believe that he's connected to more of these cases and like you said I I think you can you say all eight are
connected or all 15 are connected I think that would be irresponsible but our hand handful of them connected very
possibly and is is Murphy responsible for those for maybe three of these yeah very possible it seems like he's a
serious serious suspect in the Deedra deerra case as well um something like later many many years later they found
his phone number was believed to be in the possession of dearra right at the time that she went
missing but of course you know you can't put these things together at the time uh
this was not figured out until much much later so he's a serious person to consider not only in Annie's but in two
other cases as well uh the FBI profilers do say Larry fit the the profile of the
probable person responsible for possibly even several of these unexplained disappearances I do want to go a step
further though here because we say he resembles the description of the man at at the pub I don't believe so we also
say that he fits the the FBI profilers profile of the probable person right both of those scenarios a lot of people
fit both of those the description and the profile yeah but if you look at the sketch they made and you look a picture
a picture of Murphy that's not the same person not saying that the sketch is correct I'm just saying I don't if I
think if you compare the sketch to a picture um it's not the same guy when this dude was in lockup the beast when
he was in lockup uh apparently he told some other guy that he did Kill Deedra Jacob right that he lured her into his
car and killed her but I do want to point out the guy that comes forward and says hey he told me this this is also
another convicted murderer so I think it's easier to believe that person on Reddit who says that taxi cabs were not
that common back in 1993 in this area than to believe somebody who we know has murdered somebody U but it's a
possibility sometimes these guys get locked up they get behind bars and they start trading War Stories so to speak
and um even in some ways living out a little bit of a Fantasy by telling these stories or hearing these
stories before we move on here Captain I think it's important to point out that our expert that we keep referring to and
expert is the perfect word for this gentleman Alan Bailey he says he does not agree that Murphy should be named as
a suspect in all three of the cases that we keep referencing this is Annie deardra and JoJo's case he told the
Wicklow voice quote it's dangerous to name him as a suspect if we say that Larry Murphy did this then people tend
to exclude other possibilities end quote I think that's just responsible I what he's not saying please do not hear what
he's not saying what he's not saying is that he that Murphy is not a suspect he's saying it's dangerous to say he's a
serial killer and we believe him to be responsible for X Y and Z right and then therefore we're not doing our due
diligence and we're we're automatically ruling out other possibilities yeah and another person that has kind of been
brought up in the spotlight as as far as the missing girls all eight or all 15 is
this guy Mark Hennessy because he killed a lady in similar fashion Justine Valdez MH and I believe he ended up
they're some people call it suicide by cop right because he was killed he was a father of two and going out in the blaze
of glory he was found meeting these girls on Tinder and but what happens is he looks pretty old but he's 40 so if
you do the math at in 1993 he would have been 15 so if we believe that Annie went to
this bar if we believe that at all we have her being reported by seeing with a guy that's 20 late 20 in his 20s
yeah and yes this guy he's 40 and he's bald and and could he have been prematured bald possibly but it's just
one of those things that Mark was in the news and it was a similar crime and so then people to sell newspapers go well
we let's bring this guy up and talk about the eight missing girls yeah and I mean if he's 15 that
doesn't you know doesn't rule him out inside the realm of of serial killers uh 15 is certainly an age that that killing
can start it's rare it's very rare but I think where I have a little bit of an issue with it would be more so the
fact of the it seems like if he was responsible for Annie's disappearance and then he
murders in 2018 that there would have been other things that he would have done between that big gap in time well
he got married and had two kids that's true maybe he he was busy with that right but it's also weird because the
outcome it's almost like once he knew he was going to get caught I can't live anymore take my life and so some people
point that to evidence that he killed more than one person he was responsible for more things and that's why he wanted
to die I I just don't see it fitting and again I can't rule out the fact that somebody else came forward to say we
helped bury Annie's body right and that really sticks with me as some like I said you have to come forward and claim
that you did something wrong and you're putting yourself in there's consequences
for that so if they would have done their due diligence if they would have followed this lead if they would have
got the guy maybe he's in America somewhere doing the same same [ __ ] for all we know but it's like if they would
have got the guy that guy that came forward he's going to get in trouble for something too and that's why I put a
little bit of weight onto what he says I also put some weight into what the bouncer says because I feel like there's
a conviction in what he's saying like I didn't know Annie but once I saw her that she went missing I know
that that's the girl I saw that night and he's been very adamant about it and he has not changed his
story now one thing we've seen multiple times in these types of cases unfortunately is what happens here the
mcck divorced about 5 years after their daughter disappeared in Ireland Annie's Father John died died
not too long after that never knowing what became of his daughter Nancy mccarrick is resigned to the idea that
Annie is dead and she has spoken many times of wanting to have her daughter back at least a grave to visit she told
the Irish son quote I'm pretty sure I'll never see her again my greatest wish would be to be able to take her home to
find out what happened really would be a gift at this point end quote in 2010 Nancy mccarrick was awarded a death
certificate for Annie after court proceedings she brought to have her daughter legally declared dead yeah that
same year a friend and colleague of Annie uh Marissa Mackle wrote an oped piece for the heral newspaper about the
release of Larry Murphy she writes of her or that a rapist and attempted murderer a suspect in many abductions
someone who has refused any kind of therapy and prison and who expressed No Remorse for his crimes was being allowed
to go scottf free she laments that Annie was confident and Brash but was also naive and trusting often walking home
alone at night after her shift she writes that Annie told her of her love for Ireland and her conviction
that she that the lovely country was safer than her own the irony did not escape
the writer in 2012 Larry Murphy appeared in a rare TV interview on Irish TV 3's show midweek he denied his involvement
in any of the missing women cases and maintain that if the Garde had any evidence connecting him to the cases he
would have been arrested the woman he raped but who managed to escape thanks to the
hunters invited those two men to her wedding 2 years later after her ordeal thanking them on her special day for
saving her life according to a write up for the Irish TV show cracking crime there is a commonly held belief that
Annie is buried somewhere either in the Dublin area or Wicklow mountains in May of 2019 and I don't know what if
anything has come of this just yet Captain but I found this interesting and wanted to include it here last year the
independent reported that FBI profiler John Douglas reached out to the Garde to offer his help in solving the cases of
the missing women and again we are stuck here all these years later in Annie's case 27
years later and we have at least eight missing women no bodies ever recovered and the the
leads are short and the clues and the trail I mean these are all cold cases by this point do you have one area or one
theory that you lean toward or a suspect that you like I know you've referenced the the IRA thing makes the most sense
to me I mean you have organization that's covering up for people and and again a guy coming forward that could
then be charged with you know tampering with evidence could be uh moving a corpse there there's a lot of charges
that he could have been brought up upon and I know their systems different than ours but just because he comes forward
and confesses that somebody else did it doesn't mean that he wouldn't be charged
with a crime and again it's just look up how many accusations they have been covering up it's it's terrible well and
I I I find that interesting and I like that because there is weight there you know the truth of that theory is that
they're you know be it just a a witness or somebody implicating themselves as well as others at least that's something
where with everybody else that's mentioned it's pretty much speculation there's there's there's nothing carrying
those theories any further or those suspects any further where with with the IRA thing there is I have something my
thoughts my suspicions are total speculation but there's a problem a big big big problem I have with this
timeline and with some things that we know happened okay and if we use a little bit of our thinking caps here put
them on tight and try to figure this thing out I think it points in an in the opposite direction that the
investigation went remember once we have witnesses saying that we think we saw her on a bus
right so that drives the investigation all the way out to the inis Cary area and away from her town that she was
living in I think the highly suspicious thing here is the groceries you know she's she's a baker she's somebody that
is good enough at baking she's being paid by the restaurant to provide them with pies and bake goods and things like
that and I just think to my own life all of those refrigerated items that would have been like priority number one for
me in that moment to where I go I feel like something happened to stop that process that she was going about her
chores and her errands for the day and something abruptly interrupted all of that right and then possibly because she
went missing people coming forward saying they want want to help yeah and by coming forward it draws the
investigation away and like you said I think there's evidence not just of the grocery store items but the fact that
she had clothes in the washer that didn't get to the dryer um the pie on the on the countertop it all appears
like she's in the middle of a bunch of things at her house where she should be safe and then all of a sudden all of
those things those actions stop so either something drew her out of the apartment or something took her from
that apartment and that really Cuts this timeline in half right that really means
that that a lot of those things that were said to have occurred after the time that she came home did not occur
that those were not real sightings and also doesn't mean that the IRA story is wrong it could have just been a
different person but we don't have another account of a missing person that we know in that
area so here here's where I go with with that thought I I want to take it a step further I I
would love to know the you know when we talk about these cases there's always like one person in there somewhere that
you're like I wish I could sit down with that person and get their firsthand account so I can try to figure out if I
believe it to be truthful or not right or if this person's just trying to help but they don't have great information I
would love to talk to this colleague this person person that somewhat knew her or maybe even knew her well that
says that they saw her on a bus because where I remember this is the person that
says I saw her but we didn't speak to one another right they go on to say that that Annie was on the second level of
the bus this woman was on the first she never sees Annie Get Off prior to her getting off right what's missing from
that story is did she see Annie get on the bus because I start to call in a question if Annie's on the second level
and I'm on the first would I have even seen her at all right so that seems a little weird and where I want to take
this a step further where my suspicion immediately goes which I hope that you know when you have a cold case as we
said earlier you go through and you look for leads that were not properly followed up on the first lead that I
call into major question here and maybe it was followed up on we just do not have enough information to say so one
way or the other I question I'm suspicious of this Plumber guy because he is the one that says I saw her
leaving the complex well his statement might only be believable because later you're believing she was seen at a bus
stop and then she was seen on a bus if we can prove that those other sightings didn't take place why is this guy saying
that she left her apartment complex at this time but she left willingly and left a pie on
the counter wet clothes in the wash and in groceries that required Refrigeration
on the floor right but just because this plumber saw her leaving the complex doesn't mean she was leaving and get on
a bus to go on a hike so again his story could be completely true as well I'm not
saying that it's not I'm saying that that would be the first lead that I would want to follow up on because there
there's a chance he's saying he saw her leave that complex because what he needs
for his Alibi or to not be involved is that he needs the investigators to believe that there's a witness that saw
her leaving of her own free will from that area right but one of the reasons why they believe the plumber is that we
have the next eyewitness saying we saw her flagging down a a bus so I I don't know again I wonder I
true true but I already pointed out that those are unconfirmed uh sightings M it seems like they
believe those sightings to be real or at least one of them but again if if those
sightings are incorrect then that's what that really highlights the suspicion on
this Plumber guy because his story becomes believable because of those other later Witnesses in the timeline if
we can prove that something happened to her before and that she never even went to the bus stop
then we got to we got to draw a big circle around just that short time frame it's just a it's just like two hours
that we have to call in a question it's very difficult I think we both believe that when you look at all the missing
women's cases that 15 of them are probably not connected eight of them are probably not connected but a handful of
them could be um I don't know if Annie falls into that scenario or not I would argue
not but as far as like this Murphy guy we we have to do something with our system we have to start looking at
things different the these individuals these women that are assaulted and raped they're living with scars for the rest
of their life and we're putting such small penalties on these criminals and we know
that these criminals after they become a rapist they're more likely to repeat their
offense and we we need to do something to change that and and I was watching that show um it was a series uh
unbelievable and they were saying you know rape is one of the only crimes that if if you said hey officer I
got my bike stolen they just assume you're telling the truth it's one of the only crimes that somebody then combats
you and says oh you were raped oh really are you sure you're not making that up they they wouldn't do that if you said
my car got stolen you sure your car got stolen you know so we need to do some things to to change this and one of the
other things is I think if if men could feel the way women do and there was a threat to
us and there was a threat that I possibly could get raped leaving the house then maybe men would take it more
seriously and like you said when you have um they call him the Beast and they just let let him go um I I think that's
ridiculous well and I I don't want to get into I don't know the ins and outs of the you know the prison system in
Ireland but it's a dumpster fire as far as here go goes what I can say that has changed in the years is an individual
like that here would have served the full 15 yeah not gotten out after 10 to get out early and I don't want to say
never because we have seen certain situations you know everybody's so proud of the fact that that Texas is very very
harsh and strict on their prisoners and they're very quick to put in a a speed ramp to to get you to the execution as
fast as possible they they have only come to that because they learned the hard way they were letting out violent
criminals back in the 70s and in the 80s and 90s because of their prisons were overpopulated and at some point they're
let they're letting out the the guys that are nonviolent offenders and then at some point the prisons are still
overcrowded and they were forced to let out violent violent individuals some of them who were previous murderers some
who went on to murder afterwards so they learned the hard way and now we have the
textas that we know and love today here today what I'm getting at is if this dude the Beast this terrible guy
who I do believe is probably guilty of many more things I don't know if he's responsible for Annie's disappearance
but I believe he's guilty of other horrible acts this individual nowadays here anyway would not be let out until
served the full 15 if he were to get out early it would be because he did try to
rehabilitate himself by taking classes and therapy and so on and so forth while he was in prison for those 15 years
right again though with an individual like this I'd like to bring up something that John Douglas told
us you can't really rehabilitate someone who has never been habilitated in the first
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Brief Summary

Annie McCarrick went missing in 1993, sparking an investigation into her disappearance and a pattern of missing women in Ireland's Vanishing Triangle.

Key points

Annie McCarrick's Disappearance. Annie's mother reports her missing after arriving in Dublin, but the investigation stalls.
The Vanishing Triangle. A series of mysterious disappearances in Ireland raises fears of a serial killer.
The Vanishing Triangle Investigation. Exploring the mysterious disappearances of women in Dublin, with potential links to a serial killer.
The IRA Hitman Theory. A retired detective claims a hitman may have been involved in Annie's disappearance.
Larry Murphy: The Beast of Bolting Glass. Larry Murphy, a convicted rapist, becomes a prime suspect in the case.
Murphy's Dark Past. Larry Murphy is a serious suspect in multiple disappearances, including Annie's.

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It was as if the Earth had opened and swallowed her whole.

Describing the disappearance of Deardra Jacob.

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Tension

65/ 100Some tension

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