Serial Killer /// Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 1 /// 382 | Forensic Files

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my daughter died actually I already told you where I knew I told you well I can't
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you're down there and you regret it I couldn't stay I had no choice I didn't have the money you you know not even
that listen listen to me now I couldn't let you perform those things on me listen to me all I asked you to do is
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know talk to someone says this is what I want the only thing that means a damn thing
to me is my daughter and I don't know where in the hell she ended up to me my other daughter yeah you you
want my other daughter maybe she'll talk to you maybe she'll be reasonable what are you gonna do ask her to strip
you won't understand I have to protect myself here so it's just the sound at oh Joe like you're protecting yourself it
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that cares about you it doesn't make sense to you because it seems kind of crazy but that's just how it is
are you working for Jenny or against her I'm working forward but you have to realize some things that I I think are
important that you know are classified and I will be in huge trouble if I tell you I have to show you
I don't get it what do what can you show me Joe well listen I gotta let you go I
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[Music] Scott Lee Kimball was born on September 21st 1966 in Boulder Colorado his
parents were Virgil and Barb Kimble from what we could find it looks like Scott was not one of the popular kids at
school he attended Lafayette Elementary in Middle Schools he was described by a classmate as quiet
now Barb and Virgil divorced when Scott was 10 years old Barb fell in love with another woman
Virgil and Scott's brother Brett moved to Montana and Scott stayed behind in Colorado but Scott left high school
after only one month eventually after a few years he relocated to join his father and Brett but listen to this
Captain because we often see this in these types a bad Omen a sign that something is just not right
police were called to Scott's home during a strange episode in Scott's teenage years when he was shooting his
father's gun out of one of the windows he was shooting at neighbors homes now it's not clear exactly what was
going on here was he actually trying to shoot someone or was this just some kind
of weird thing or maybe a Revenge Type Thing I don't know but regardless this is a significant event and at the very
least could be categorized as extremely Reckless Behavior Scott attended High School in Hamilton Montana a town of 4
000 people but he dropped out just shy of graduating he worked as a guide he guided clients on big game Hunting
Expeditions he also made some really bad choices not just the shooting at houses
incident Scott was arrested for stupid things like knocking over mailboxes in June of 1988 at the age of 21 he was
arrested and convicted of felonious passing of bad checks his three-year sentence was deferred
however on the condition that he stay above the law Scott like many others he likes spending money that he did not
have he was arrested again in October of 88 for passing more bad checks but because this felony conviction
occurred in a different County his sentence was once again to deferred and it didn't activate his previous
conviction so Scott to say it simply got off very easy in both of these situations he
continued to rack up arrest although not all of them resulted in convictions he was arrested in October of 88 again this
time for stealing a fishing pole two rifles and a shotgun and a set of golf clubs this was from a residence or
multiple residences in Broomfield Colorado he was turned loose which is surprising to me and I'm sure everybody
else out there considering that the part of this theft involved a gun right he was arrested again in March uh this time
for attempted theft and receives a one-year unsupervised probation and a 232 dollar fine so
again this is just really no real punishment at all for what we're seeing is continued bad
behavior right and if you steal a gun or you steal some checks and they just slap
you on the wrist but why not do it again because you probably got away with it a couple times
before you actually got caught yeah if if consequences dictate my course of action it's only wrong if I
get caught or if I if I don't like the consequences right he's not really being punished so Scott continued to
self-destruct and actually he even attempted to end his life at one point this was while on a hunting trip with
his brother remember his brother Brett Scott was 23 at this time he went to his motel room and he put a rifle to his
head and he actually pulled the trigger and the gun was loaded the bullet ripped
a hole in his forehead as it bounced off of his skull Scott was in critical condition for many
days of course he was not in a good place psychologically as we can all see this led to the discovery of years of
abuse that took place during his teen years so what we would we would find out here
Captain is that Scott was the victim of a sexual predator this started when he was just about 10 years old when he and
his seven-year-old cousin were tricked or befriended or whatever you want to call it by a 41 year old computer
programmer his name Theodore Payton now Peyton was a neighbor of Scott's grandmothers in a trailer park in
Nederland Colorado and we know how this goes we know how this typically starts off right Peyton
is he he befriends these children and he is taking them places giving them money
takes them bowling you know hanging out playing video games right but pretty soon he started inviting them to his
cabin this one at a time you know you don't want both of them there and now he's doing things that are just
downright wrong he's giving them alcohol this leads to oh getting out the camera let's take
some photographs and of course eventually this all leads to rape and outright molestation right according to
the two boys this continued for years with the boys and their families being threatened by Peyton right so he's kind
of controlling them by by not only molesting and raping these boys but on top of that he's telling them if you say
anything I I'm going to hurt you and I'm going to hurt your family well initially it looks
like these crimes of check fraud and stuff are just a crime of greed and maybe not a call for help but now when
you dive into this section you go well maybe maybe these were crides for help but there was no punishment so nobody
was coming to his help cry for help or sometimes unfortunately when these things
when somebody's abused in this manner or really many other manners to put it frankly in
their formidable years of coming up as a teenager especially with this stuff starting when he's 10 or 11 years old
they could have mind altering effects that last a lifetime for somebody we mentioned that he was threatening the
boys and threatening their families from my understanding Captain the threats were as great as as possible
murder death threats shooting these kids or shooting their family right the cousin later told police about the abuse
and he said that it happened so often that he eventually lost count of the number of incidents that took place the
situation continued as we said until the boys reached their later teen years now
remember Scott is not living in the area of his grandmother so his situation is a little
different than than the cousin who is also being abused but when Scott would come back to visit Grandma and when he
would come back to visit other family the abuse was still taking place when he would return to that area when you see a
lot of children describe their predators as the devil so imagine that the devil is doing these horrible things to you
and then on top of that saying hey if you tell anybody I'm going to kill you and I'm going to kill your whole family
apparently this situation continued until the boys reached their later teen years when they were actually able to
stand up for themselves but as we said this did not emerge publicly until Scott was 23 when he tried to
shoot himself in the head right so in light of his and the cousins allegations which were brought to light by therapy
Scott underwent after the suicide attempt the Boulder County Sheriff's Office investigated Peyton and they were
able to bring some charges against this man in 1991 a jury convicted Payton of six counts of sexual assault on a child
he was sentenced to seven years apparently he was released after five he returned to the area where he had lived
when he was abusing the boys and lived out his remaining days there in a letter to the court objecting to a sentence
reduction for Payton Scott Kimball wrote The Following quote Ted Payton denied me
my right to a normal healthy innocent childhood because of Ted Payton's selfishness and his need for sexual
gratification he has damaged my life forever end quote now recovered from his suicide attempt
Scott relocated to Spokane Washington in the early 1990s he obtained employment in the timber business out there he
brought along with him his girlfriend this is Larissa hence who he met in Montana in 1993 the two were married
Scott is now 27 at this point on our timeline now this young new couple they had two sons one in late of 1993 and one
in 1996. it doesn't sound like things panned out in the timber trade there because Scott and Larissa filed
for bankruptcy in June of 1996. and the couple divorced in 1997. later Larissa would reveal some details
of of her married life uh to Scott Kimball and says that Scott was not operating
within the law Scott's past of his you know modus operandi of defrauding people and
stealing funds continued during the course of their marriage according to Larissa he engineered scam after scam
and had people constantly chasing after him trying to collect money that he frauded them out of or stole from them
and possibly a reason why he moved to Washington in the first place yeah the other thing though too as we said he he
always managed to avoid actual jail or prison time but this would this would end in September of 1997 when he did
serve 27 days in jail for uh unknown offenses I do not know what the the charges were now
we're making it 20 27 days isn't that long well exactly I don't know what the charge would have been it could have
been something that's a hit that's a hiccup that's a vacation pretty minor um yeah not one that I want to take
though um we're making it out as though Scott is some kind of low-level con artist who
you know just happen to get away with check cashing scams and fraudulent money making schemes but
what I believe that we will see here Captain the the truth of the matter is that Scots
he's pretty talented as a con artist and I think what we're going to see is that
his con artist skills might be off the charts and you know everyone who met him even
though I'll judge that determined to see him in prison for the remainder of his days begrudgingly admits that Scott was
the best at this uh universally he they say he was liked he was jovial friendly and seemingly trustworthy this is how
Scott was described time and time again over and over by these people that that knew him and met him throughout his life
well you can tell even by his later interviews that there is a brain inside his head
yeah and what we will see as we go through this is he truly just he snowed people he befriended people
made them feel special build up their trust and then he cheated them yeah but he's no friend Kevin now what happens
next on the Scott timeline gives us a clear-cut example of how trustworthy he really seemed to be
in the spring of 1999 Scott Kimball agreed to work for the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms as an informant on
a stolen guns investigation yes this is an agency of our federal government taking on a con man a scam artist a
fraudulent check Rider into their fold now it's not really clear how this Arrangement came about and it did not
result in any arrest although Scott reportedly gave the ATF some names but not only did Scott get personal
satisfaction from being a trusted informant for the feds he got paid for it a grand total of
1865 dollars the the relationship was over by November of 1999 but Scott Kimball benefited both as we said
financially but also in the terms of establishing Goodwill with the feds by December of 1999 it was apparent that
Scott was not only a scam artist but he was also violent on December 8th his ex-wife Larissa reported to Spokane
police that Scott kidnapped her at gunpoint raped her and forced her and the couple's two sons to accompany him
back to Montana no charges were filed for this incident and there's a lot of speculation here as
to why there were no charges filed I don't know that I feel super comfortable getting into it knowing as
little as we do about this situation but we would see this one more time this when Larissa again called police this
time on December 18th uh saying that Scott had broke into her house that night and held her at
gunpoint then he made her take a bath and stole money from her purse again no case no charges were brought forward
in this incident as well now remember the two suspended sentences for convictions for passing bad checks
he go over that again he broke in made her take a bath after another sexual assault and there's
and there's no charges whatsoever that's correct it's ridiculous again I I don't want to speculate as to why there
were no charges both of these situations we know very little about yeah so I mean it could be could be as
simple as something as she calls to the police and then later says I don't want to press any charges
that's why I don't want to get into the speculation of it I don't I don't we can't fault the the police department if
the the person that notifies them later then says no I don't want to I don't want to bring any charges well
no you can fault them on some level because there's a possibility that she just doesn't feel safe enough that she
can press the charges no actually if she presses the charge it's this guy's an animal and look what he already did to
me he might come back and and kill me I agree but I think that it's irresponsible of myself to lay blame to
someone or or an organization with with knowing nothing really about the situation yeah well let's not lay blame
to to the organization but let's let's lay blame on the the idea that we we know this situation happened and we
don't know why it went down this way well that's why I don't want to like City because I don't know that it
happened I don't know that it happens so uh I want to go back to the two suspended sentences for uh the the bad
checks that took place in 1988 when Scott was just 21. so he finds himself in jail
once again this time in January of 2000 this time for violating his probation remember he got probation for those
charges he violated his probation this is for traveling and also for failing to report
now finally a little Justice here this takes place in April of 2000 a judge threw the book Adam
Scott was sentenced to 10 years in Montana State Prison this for violating those probations now five years of this
sentence were suspended but Scott was looking at five years of hard time five years in the clink
District Judge Hanson wrote of Scott quote the defendant is impossible to supervise in a community setting you're
irresponsible untruthful and simply do what you want to do regardless of the rules and conditions imposed by this
court then even more charges were brought against him this time for three counts
of felony check forgery that occurred in 1999 in Spokane his additional conviction piled up eight
more months onto his prison sentence this is where the story really starts to gain some momentum here Captain Scott's
sentence is five years eight months with the five years suspended actually only resulted in him serving 15 months
in July of 2001 he was relocated to a pre-release Center in Helena Montana he was permitted to get a job on the
outside and just report back to the center when not at work Scott landed himself a job as a cashier at the easy
stop gas station but within just a couple of weeks Scott decided a change of scenery would be
nice on July 29th Scott was working alone at the gas station let's quickly review what the good judge
said of Scott remember saying he was impossible to supervise in a community he's irresponsible untruthful and simply
does not he simply does what he wants regardless of the rules well the district judge Hanson was what we call
here in the garage exactly right so while working at the station alone on the 29th of July Scott lifted 677
dollars from the register stole a work truck and he took off for Parts Unknown lock your doors I imagine
there was several Slim Jims and a Big Gulp stolen from that gas station as well that didn't go
reported right and that's the real crime here well now Scott you are a wanted man a
warrant was issued for the arrest of Scott Lee Kimball but where did Scott hightail it to on
the run from the law in this stolen truck where else but the furthest place away
he could think of Alaska it's not known how Scott managed to get across the Canadian border but knowing
his Charisma and charm he probably just sweet talked his way in there and it didn't really take long for him
to turn up in Alaska Captain this is because he could not resist falling back on his old ways writing bad checks this
time Scott assumed the identity of Brett Kimball his brother in the few months since his Escape Brett
wrote twenty five thousand dollars in counterfeit checks collected the cash and had landed himself a fiancee
as far as this woman whose name is Catherine Curtis was concerned Scott was a man named Brett Kimball and they were
in love and living in a hotel room where Scott was eventually found and arrested
during a raid along with 11 300 in cash well this just proves that love is the biggest con of all
[Music] foreign [Music] cheers mate happy St Patrick's Day to everybody yeah cheers and uh if you're
looking for a computer shirt check out the store Page also wash your hands and be nice to each
other yeah wash wash your hands don't touch your face all right we are going to do a little bouncing around here
through a few years on our timeline but while while this is not going to be in chronological order this order makes
sense to me so we're gonna roll with it because of the activities and Scott's actions I guess what I'm trying to say
here Captain is pay much less attention to the actual dates that we say but pay more attention to Scott's actions as we
go through this piece of the story Scott of course was not happy sitting in jail and he managed to come up with
some excitement for himself you know are we seeking the Limelight and backslapping from authorities Scott
snitched that his cellmate won Arnold flowers who was in for fraud had asked him to hire a hitman to murder a federal
judge a prosecutor and two witnesses hmm so Scott also named Arnold's girlfriend
as a co-conspirator in this whole thing and sure enough a press release by the U.S Department of Justice dated March
22nd 2002 states that flowers and his girlfriend were indicted for plotting to kill
a judge a prosecutor and a witness in the fraud case so according to the Department of Justice release
flowers had provided a handwritten note of four intended victims to an intermediary who was to make
contact with a hitman of course this intermediary was Scott the plot went so far as to see the
girlfriend go to a hotel room to meet the person she believed to be a Hitman and pay him a down payment for the
murders the Department of Justice release concludes quote the investigation leading to the arrest was
the result of a Cooperative effort of the United States Secret Service Federal Bureau of Investigation Bureau of
Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and the United States Marshals service end quote what what's really going on here exactly
is what we have to kind of look at this situation and kind of examine it right yeah do we think
that Scott just stumbled into a murder For Hire plot and decided to sing like a bird
and rat on his cellmate for the good of the land I'm thinking probably not mm-hmm so
here's what I think probably happened here Captain I think Scott may have figured out a way to kind of orchestrate
this whole thing in a way of saying you know if he starts telling his soulmate hey I I know Hitman
or or I know people that will will kill somebody for for money you know I can put out a contract on someone and this
guy who's in sitting in jail sitting in prison starts mouthing off saying hey I'd like to kill that judge that put me
in here oh and by the way I'd like to kill that prosecutor that put me in here and they wouldn't have been able to put
me away if it wasn't for those two witnesses right and I think this this handwritten note I
call in a question too is it possible that that Scott manufactured that note and provided it as some piece of
evidence against these individuals what I'm getting at here is look there there's a good chance that his his
cellmate probably did want to kill these people and had intentions to especially
after Scott tells them hey I know how to to set something like this up but is this this is seems to me more
about you know what I'm in prison how can I weasel my way out of here as fast as possible I'm gonna turn on this dude
and getting good with with the authorities right Scott went on to testify at the trial which took place in
2003 and the pair was convicted of witness tampering but they were acquitted of the murder for higher
charges now Scott was paid this really sucks Scott was paid eighteen thousand dollars
by the FBI for his cooperation as a witness in the case against flowers and his girlfriend
that's a lot of Rolling Papers yeah in October of 2001 this is before it's a lot of slim jim yeah this is before the
the flowers murder plot that we just discussed assistant U.S attorney Tom Wales he's 49 years old he's a father of
two he's killed at his home in Seattle Washington someone shot through a basement window
and shot him while he was sitting at a desk down there in his basement we know from what we could find that
Scott was in the Seattle area in the fall of 2001. this was just for a short time this is when he opened up a bogus
Wells Fargo account under the name Brett Kimball his brother's name he would later tell Federal authorities
that he had information about the wells murder now I should point out that this case
technically is unsolved to this day the wells murder case is still unsolved investigators eventually began to
suspect that Scott actually may have had something to do with the murder either himself or through
somebody else although if that's true the motive would be truly unknown it we we could speculate but
there doesn't seem to be an obvious motive here now according to a book written by Scott's cousin the book is
titled SLK serial killer Scott was working on a fishing boat in Seattle in the fall of 2001 and Scott
was arrested in Alaska this in November of 2001. he used information about the whale's
murder case to play the FBI gleaning whatever information he could about the case off of the internet he convinced
authorities that he had overheard a couple of inmates talking about the wells case and that he might be able to
offer them information about this Wells case so Scott starts feeding the FBI bogus information he strung them along
pretty good meeting with agents a number of times including one three-day meeting
in Seattle that took place from February 24th to the 27th of 2003. well let's think about this for a second
I need an inform it I know that this guy is a criminal or career-long con man do you really mess with a con man
I wonder how that meeting went down I wonder if there's two FBI agents one sitting looking at the other one going
hey this guy is not to be trusted he is a con man and the other guy going well I
don't know I kind of believe him seems like a good guy so what's interesting here I think is
the continued the continued Mo of Scott Kimball okay twice he finds himself Behind Bars and
when he does it seems like he's coming up with these plans of I'm going to turn on this guy
or these guys and what carrot do I have to dangle in front of the authorities because if you
if you go to him likely look this is all speculation here but if I'm Scott Kimball and I go to him and I say hey
this guy that I'm in a cell with are these guys that I overheard talking in the yard
um they're gonna kill some dude that you never heard of maybe he's a drug Pusher
or or a check counterfeiter or somebody else some dude you never heard of I have information on that
Scott's smart enough to know I need that's not a big character that's not a very big enough carrot to to really help
my situation that seems to be all he's attempting to do what do we see in the first case
he's turning on his cellmate saying you look this guy was going to kill a judge he was going to kill a prosecutor he was
going to kill Witnesses the the Department of Justice and the the law enforcement the authorities value the
protection of witnesses like you wouldn't believe and they should very smartly so yeah correct and he's like
he's going to kill two witnesses and hire somebody to and then what is what do we see once he's once again in prison
it's oh I heard I might have some information regarding the murder of the assistant
U.S attorney Tom Wales so these are big carrots that he's coming up with and I it's almost like to
me like you pointed out it's like why why would you why would the FBI why would these organizations get involved
with this guy who clearly is a con man it clearly is a scam artist he's one he's one of these people that
he's Behind Bars because of what they would call paper cases where you can easily put together evidence against
this individual because everything he stole or frauded people from was the result of of paper a paper
trail that he put together himself that you can apply to him and get the conviction what we have here though is
somebody going look we can these this is a big cases this is a big to do this is violent this is murder
this is judges prosecutors U.S attorneys this is big a big deal maybe we deal with this little paper case guy
because we we need to prevent these big things from taking place right we we're we're after bigger fish is what I think
you think is happening at the time now as we said the Wales case is unsolved um apparently it sounds to me like
investigators suspect that that Scott Kimball may have actually he could have possibly been the shooter there's some
speculation as to that Captain I don't want to get too far into that um but I think the reason why they think
that there was a strange letter that shows up to the Seattle FBI office okay this letter was postmarked from Las
Vegas and dated January 3rd in this letter the writer said that he was the killer of Tom Wales he said a
woman hired him to shoot whales we will get into this much much more later but there is some good reason to
possibly believe that Scott was passing through Las Vegas in January of 2006 so there's a chance that he wrote
and mailed the letter I I I'm getting a little confused in this story here as to what I believe
is likely I don't know that that he may have been the shooter or if he's really just manipulating the system
because as said it seems to me like all the information he was able to provide to the authorities regarding the murder
of Wales he could have found all that on the internet right which if he's sitting
behind bars and he gets use of a computer at the uh you know when you go to the library or wherever that he could
have he could have found all of that information and pieced it together with some of these cells these days they
might have computers right in their cell well keep in mind like one of the one of
the biggest problems that we have in uh some of these prisons is the prisoners want to sneak in cell phones they want
to get a cell phone in there one because they can call whomever they want whenever they want but also I would
imagine you can get some kind of Internet Service as well right well I know I have a friend that was
complaining because it was their turn they have a relative that's in jail and it was their turn they all decided as a
family to help this individual uh try to reform and and better his life that they
would get cable for his cell so they pay like a monthly fee for this little TV that gets Cable in the cell
so it's basically like a Netflix uh Netflix and chill Behind Bars yeah I'd just be sitting in there
watching reruns of Monk and the office constantly I think we'll solve Mysteries real punishment
you know and I don't want to get in a whole debate of what prisoners should have and what they shouldn't have
because I actually I actually believe depending on what type of prison you are are in and what type of offender you are
that should vary maybe there's like a tier process but it at least the the worst of the worst when they have cable
that angers me so badly um I think that the the real the real bad guys you know what real punishment
is C-SPAN baby you can watch C-SPAN for that's all you get to see and you get maybe 45 minutes of it a day tear your
eyes out yeah I think we should start off with a genital mutilation and then work up from there you know to really
punish people well so what does the Tom Wales murder in Scott Kimball's telling the Feds that he had information on this
case have to do with the bigger picture let's just say that his cooperation and this is key this is key to our story
here Captain his cooperation with the author authorities on the Wales case and also the flowers case that we already
went through this is what would lead the FBI to turn him turn to him again in another case
down the road and we will see that that will have devastating consequences all right Captain so for those of you
following along at home and for those of you who are completely lost what we have
here is we have Scott Lee Kimball who has spent the last few years in and out of prison he's been arrested for
multiple different charges and even in different areas as well so regarding the the order of this let's go to 2002
because there's going to be something very significant to the story that takes place in 2002. this remember Scott was
arrested in Alaska for forging checks and because he escaped from that prison pre-release in Montana
in June He is transferred to federal prison in Littleton Colorado this is because he
told authorities that his life had been threatened by multiple inmates this is because he's a snitch by this point he's
snitched on his cellmates uh especially the we're talking about the flowers case
here so Scott's history of cooperating with authorities would soon earn him another informant role and
a prison release in the fall of 2002 Scott reported to the FBI that his cellmate a Steve Ennis
had asked Scott to murder another drug dealer this guy's name is Jason price who was going to testify against Steve
Ennis was doing 10 years in federal prison on drug charges for running a massive
ecstasy distribution Network and the DEA was monitoring his activities carefully
now it's unclear what if anything Steve Ennis was really cooking up again is this something that Steve Ennis was
actually putting into place or is this something that Scott Kimball is manufacturing and providing bogus
information in regards to it seems possible that Steve might have made some noises about
wanting this guy dead and then Scott acted on that um it's unclear what Steve thought Scott's
role in Steve's plans were because he wasn't supposed to be getting out anytime soon
so that's what's a little tricky here how would Steve think that Scott could help him while they're both on the
inside and so this makes three times well yeah and that's why I kind of pointed out that I think it's a little
strange that Steve would try to get Scott involved in this whole murder For Hire plot
because how would Steve think that Scott could provide him any assistance in this when
Scott is looking at doing almost as much time as as Steve right you know you how's he going to get this
going from the inside Steve could probably get this going on his own from the inside and we know how these prison
populations work this dude was already moved there because he's saying hey I'm being threatened because I'm a snitch
I've ratted out some other guys before so Scott seems like the last person that an inmate would tell hey I'm
thinking about killing this guy that's going to testify against me at trial this this rival uh drug dealer or
whatever you want to call him I want this guy dead it doesn't make sense that he would tell Scott that's why I
question here Captain is this something that Scott just totally manufactured all
on his own because he's learned time and time again and he's he's executed this before where he goes you know I'm going
to either make up this stuff about this guy or I'm going to rat on this dude over over real stuff
either way it's going to benefit me in in this situation it could get me out of prison very quickly
so that that's why I wanted to bring that up because we got to keep in mind even though he's becoming an informant
and he's ratting on these dudes is there a chance that he's just manufacturing all this stuff himself
and putting the pieces together and then feeding it to the authorities so really this situation to me is very
reminiscent of the flowers case that we already discussed because somehow Scott got word to the
FBI that his cellmate Steve Ennis was plotting to kill someone on the outside and again as I stated this is another
witness yeah this is when the FBI will the same setup right it's like it it's like you said you can you can watch
those interviews you can see him you can listen to him speak there's a brain in there this guy is but there's also
brains in the FBI agents you would think they'd go hey this this seems familiar oh I agree with you 100 100 it's strange
to me how this guy was able to make this work time and time again but I do think
he's probably pretty good at what he did and that's no excuse but it's also one of these things that he's like Scott
Kimball figured out like this works and I'm gonna keep doing it until it stops working
so what we have here is he wasn't a known con man a known criminal guy that suspected in other other crimes other
than con man situations the FBI there's no excuse for that there's no excuse for
our FBI to be tricked oh I'm not going to pretend it's completely dumb of them to believe him time and time again I
think what they're blinded by is what we pointed out earlier this is a this is a
paper case guy pretty low level who doesn't seem to be violent I mean we do have those allegations of things by his
ex-wife but there were never charges brought forward on any of that so they're not seeing that stuff
but what what they're seeing is oh we got these bigger fish that we want to go after oh they're seeing that stuff they
know that it happened and they know there was no charges that that stuff doesn't just go away the
FBI would know that stuff or should know that stuff you wouldn't have any record of it though
I'm just saying they should I'm just saying that RF if there was a a possible situation that their charges were never
brought that might not go on your criminal history but that's not that's not the record that the FBI has of each
individual in America they have a lot of data on you on me on every listener that's listening to the show well
regardless this is going to be when the FBI formally will take on Scott Kimball as an actual informant and this is going
to earn Scott a release from prison yeah hold on because if if he fools you twice
might as well have him work for you this takes place on December 18 2002 when Scott is released from prison in
order to quote actively cooperate with the FBI on the Stephen Ennis matter end quote what was Scott's role in this
whole thing well he was ordered by FBI agent Carl schlaff to pretend to be a man named Joseph Lee Scott and the FBI
was going to set him up with this new identity provided to him and they gave him a
birth certificate and a driver's license saying that he was in fact Joseph Lee Scott so Scott Kimball who is now Joe
Scott he's put in charge of keeping an eye on Steve ennis's girlfriend her name is
Jennifer Markham so Scott Kimball told authorities this is how we get to Jennifer Markham
he told authorities that Jennifer Markham anus's girlfriend since she is the one on the outside she is going to
be the one that sets up this whole murder plot I'm guessing that means Kimball told law enforcement that she
was going to hire the killer so Jennifer Markham was also a potential witness for
the DEA in a large meth case the short of it is Scott Lee Kimball is now out of prison living under a new identity and
working with the FBI and all of this is going to turn into some very bad bad business and fairly quickly
now before we wrap up here Captain we must give a big thank you and shout out to a website this is
scottleykimble.com It's a website that is maintained by The Daily Camera which is a Boulder Colorado newspaper dating
all the way back to 1890. that's right your great great grandfather was reading the Daily Camera
the website was invaluable to our research and the site includes a timeline and links to numerous articles
about the case and if the name the Daily Camera sounds familiar long time listeners will remember the Daily Camera
was a great source for our six-part JonBenet Ramsey coverage which took place in episodes 280 to 285.
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Brief Summary

Scott Lee Kimball's life of crime includes fraud, violence, and manipulation of law enforcement as an informant.

Key points

Scott Kimball's Troubled Youth. Scott Kimball's early life was marked by abuse and reckless behavior, leading to a troubled adulthood.
Scott's Criminal Activities. Scott's life was filled with criminal behavior, including check fraud and theft.
The Impact of Abuse. Years of abuse led Scott to a suicide attempt, revealing a dark past.
Scott's Escape to Alaska. Scott Lee Kimball steals a truck and escapes to Alaska, assuming a new identity.
Murder Plot Unveiled. Scott snitches on his cellmate's murder plot, leading to serious legal consequences.
The Tom Wales Murder Case. Scott claims to have information about the unsolved murder of assistant U.S. attorney Tom Wales.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Ted Payton denied me my right to a normal healthy innocent childhood.

Scott Kimball's statement about his childhood abuse.

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