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[Music] foreign [Music] on February 5th 2003 Lacey Peterson's family they step up their criticism of their son-in-law
Scott Peterson saying that he sold his pregnant wife's car and he was considering selling the couple's house
well I'm like you always say when somebody goes missing when the family stays in the area that that's a sign of
something yeah more importantly I think when they leave the area that's what always scares me especially when a
person is is just lost you know because especially when you have a child that goes missing usually the thought of the
mother and the father is typically we don't want to move we don't want to change our phone number we don't want to
do anything that will prevent our son or daughter from coming home meaning that given the opportunity if their son or
daughter who is being held captive has a window of time that's even three minutes long if they can dial a phone to
call me and tell me where they might be or if they get away on foot or if they get away somehow from their captor that
they would return home at the very least right in this um this husband so worried about his wife so worried
about his unborn child that he sells her car and he's so worried so he's thinking that maybe he should sell
the house yeah yeah and so what we do know for a fact is he did sell their car her car
um I don't can't say for certain Captain but it might just be her family and her
her parents that were saying that he was considering selling the house I don't know that that's fact but still selling
her Land Rover is a strange thing to do I would think one and then two I don't really have a
date for when this occurred I don't know if we know the exact date of when it did
occurred but what was later reported at some point was that the nursery room remember that for the baby the expected
baby for Connor Peterson they had already painted the room blue they had already decorated the room it was
sitting there waiting for the baby's arrival only thing that room was missing was the
baby and guess what when his baby and wife went missing at some point he then starts to use that room for other things
I believe it was he used it for storage or some point he altered the room at some point what I'm pointing out here is
these are actions of a man that I don't think is expecting these two to return right and to play
Devil's Advocate his reasoning is that the cops have my truck and I need a truck for work so I had to sell her Land
Rover which is pretty much a truck and he had to get a new truck yeah claiming he couldn't do his job or
whatever he needed his vehicle for using the Land Rover right and yeah I I mean I
get it but here again is another situation of a guy that seems to have an answer for everything and or if he
doesn't have an answer he makes one up and then changes it later no that that's exactly what I mean he's squirming and
weaseling his way out of what the truth is the truth is he couldn't get further from Lacey
and Connor fast enough is really what I believe right and I again I don't have the date for this but I I have in my
notes it was roughly like five weeks into The Disappearance six weeks into The Disappearance at some point his
words he's saying things like at some point we have to move on you know we right right again this is this is an
individual that that as opposed to the mom saying Lacey's mom saying they'll never be closure they'll never be moving
on from this right you know that that's the huge difference right and that's what I meant
yesterday when I don't think you know I don't think and I don't care what his professor in high in college said
about you know he was a model student he was intelligent I would have loved to have a whole room full of Scott
Peterson's I don't find this guy to be dick noses I don't find him to be intelligent at all at least in the grand
scheme of getting away with this crime I don't think I really don't think he thought that he was going to have to go
through this scrutiny that he was going to be under the microscope I think he thought that if he set it up properly
narcissist yeah then at some point that they would just believe that she was abducted and everybody else would move
on that he would move on and they would move on now we have February 10th this is when Lacey Peterson this was her
expected due date it comes and it goes and then February 17th Scott Peterson's mother Jackie
she tells the Associated Press her family believes kidnapper kidnappers abducted Lacey Peterson with the
intentions of holding her captive until she delivered the baby yeah and one of the reasons why they thought this was
there was three women in Modesto that went missing pregnant women that went missing from that area and and a radius
of a I believe like 90 miles to 100 miles there was there has been eight missing uh pregnant women well the whole
case is going to take a turn Captain because on April 13 2003 the remains of a late term male fetus were found on
Richmond's Point Isabel Regional Shoreline north of the marina where Scott went fishing the day Lacey
disappeared the next day a partial female torso missing its hands feet and head were
found in the same area now later these bodies are in fact identified to be Lacy and Connor and autopsies were performed
but due to composition decomposition the exact cause of death could not be determined the medical examiner did note
that Lacey had suffered some broken ribs prior to her death so these injuries were not caused they were not caused
after death this is when she was alive and prosecutors suggested that she could have been suffocated or strangled inside
the Peterson home right so this is going to put pleats on high alert because now
that they've found the bodies they're gonna they're actually afraid that Peterson is going to run for the
Border because he is hanging out in San Diego uh Golfing down there with his family now I have to admit here watching
the coverage of this investigation and as the news was breaking you know I didn't want them you know it's it's one
of those situations and we've been through this before on other cases we've covered Captain it's a situation where
you hope they find something but you also hope they don't find something you know because you want Lacey to be alive
you want Conor to be alive and well yeah and it it started feeling to me like this guy was not going to get
arrested like he was not going to have to go to trial because I was ultimately starting to get very concerned that they
were never going to recover her remains right and I remember it being early April when I really started worrying
about that and I worried about it a little more each day as the days went on leading up to April 13th when they
finally made that Discovery and then remember we had to wait a whole day until they found the female remains and
then a whole nother day to get confirmation that that was in fact the two that they had been missing and
looking for for so long now at some point they did however uh rule this investigation a homicide investigation
they flip-flopped from missing persons to a homicide and I think their thought was at least for public perception let's
turn this up let's crank up the heat on this thing and let the public know that we consider this on a homicide
investigation because at that moment the public opinion of this guy was so bad was so terrible he was
already convicted in the Public's eyes and let's make this happen so we can get an actual arrest warrant for this guy
because like you said I think even days before they found the bodies they were concerned that he was
going to flee at some point he was going to leave the area now after the bodies are found Scott Peterson by this point
mostly have been staying in San Diego with his family Santiago and allegedly he says this is to avoid media attention
right now Scott Peterson was ultimately arrested on April 18 2003 this is near a
golf course where he claimed to that he was going to be meeting his father and his brother for a game of golf right
well The Real Slim Shady please stand up well Scott Peterson's naturally dark hair dark brown hair had been dyed
blonde um his he was driving a Mercedes-Benz which was quote unquote overstuffed with
miscellaneous items including nearly fifteen thousand dollars in cash survival gear camping equipment several
changes of clothes four cell phones and his brother's driver's license right now
which I can't claim that he used the driver's license um to get into the golf club at some
point um and you can or can't that's what they claim that he used it for right they also claim that the hair
dyeing and the Shaving to have a goatee was actually um at this point he hired Mark garcos to
um basically be his attorney and Mark garagos said hey we we should alter your image that way media will leave you
alone yeah so I want to talk a little bit about items found with Scott in the car or on Scott because there are some
conflicting reports from everything I found you know the above items that I mentioned the fifteen thousand dollars
in cash survival gear camping equipment changes a close four cell phones right just think about that for a second all
that cash and four cell phones and then his brother's driver's license those items I can confirm that multiple
multiple multiple almost every report I read state that those items is what was found on this guy
um some items that I think are interesting that aren't mentioned in every single report one is that Scott
Peterson had his driver's license on him as well this might back up Scott Peterson's father's story the story I
heard was that he was intending on using his brother's driver's license the day before to get a San Diego
resident discount at the golf course now yeah so like you said for the golf course yeah like you said there's we
can't confirm if that actually happened or not uh but on that same topic a couple reports and this was from one
in particular was from Fox News states that he had his brother's passport which is a whole different bag
of worms than uh than the driver's license to get the discount right this is hey can I get the discount on
crossing the Mexican border right but I'm I'm gonna just believe his um his father on this one as far as the driver
light driver's license is concerned some reports also state that he had 12 viagra
pills 200 sleeping pills well when you're watching a lot of porn you know and you're a little chubby and
you can't get it up you might need to pop some pills well the combination of Viagra pills and sleeping pills have me
very concerned suicide by boner no I think with the multiple Affairs they had during the course of his marriage
with the excessive porn watching after The Disappearance which we now know is that was the death of his
wife [Music] I think that we are talking about an individual that is very likely a sex
addict um and my concern is that the sleeping pills are not for him that therefore
other people and he intends to use the Viagra and the sleeping pills at the same time just one person in the group's
going to get the sleeping pills Scott Peterson's going to take the Viagra pills yeah yeah instead of giving them
um Arnold Palmer or uh Shirley Temple or a Jack and Coke he's going to give them
the old Bill Cosby now we also have in several several statements I don't know how it didn't work its way into all of
them but I believe this to be true either a dagger or a knife was found on him now that's what she said I think the
confusing thing here is that a lot of times survival gear is mentioned and it might just be getting lumped into that
rope was also found in the vehicle which is probably again getting you know roped
roped into the survival gear um but the tricky thing here is we have a MapQuest map printed off of Amber
Fry's general area in which she lived in and we have a guy who had said multiple
times that he would still like to meet her and we have a girl we have a lady Amber Frye who is maybe the number one
witness against this individual right and it I just a part of me really wonders what his plan was because there
is no way there's no way anybody's talking me out of that he that he wasn't fleeing that
he wasn't taking a one-way trip to you know this guy was going on a permanent vacation well and the way they arrested
him is they they followed him and then they eventually they were like okay we we
have to pull him over now uh because the second body was found so it wasn't like a body was found and then
he fled but he had all the workings too at some point it I think he had a plan to leave
if he decided to take that that jump yeah I think there was a good chance that they weren't lying that that he was
planning to go off with his father and brother and then that was a sayonara to to his you know one last possibly but
what I'm saying is like I think we have evidence that he had everything's ready to go right and if I decide to jump
right right I decided to jump it's there he's whenever he needs to he can pounce
and he can jump and I I do personally I just think that that was kind of a good buy do you think he was going to try to
kill Amber I I think that there's maybe more evidence that something I think because they were still talking I
think if she would have agreed to meet him somewhere then he would have right or if she would have invited him to her
home which I don't think would have happened in a million years obviously but um I think he would have attempted
something I think he was planning on leaving that day after the golf outing and I also have information stating that
that Mercedes-Benz was I believe in his mother's name registered to his mother so there could also be
there could also be some help and assistance with prior knowledge of from his immediate family right
now on April 21st 2003 Peterson was arraigned he was charged with two felony counts of murder with premeditation and
special circumstances the first degree murder of Lacey obviously and then the second degree murder of Connor he did
plead not guilty at this arraignment Lacey's family and the prosecution were seeking the death penalty now before his
arraignment Scott Peterson was represented by Kirk McAllister a veteran criminal defense attorney from Modesto
Kevin's father I don't know who Kevin McAllister is Kevin McAllister we have then we have Chief Deputy public
defender Kent Faulkner who also was assigned to the case Peterson later indicated that he could afford a private
attorney and this was the famous high-profile attorney Mark garagos the judge changed the venue of the trial
from Modesto to Redwood City because obviously Peterson Scott Peterson was um you know receiving increasing
hostility in this Modesto Area Scott Peterson's trial began on June 1st 2004 and obviously was followed extremely
closely by the media and we should say by just about every media Outlet you can think of Scott Peterson's defense
lawyers based their case on the lack of direct evidence and played down the significance of circumstantial evidence
they suggested that the fetal remains were of a full-term infant and theorized that someone kidnapped Lacey held her
until she gave birth and then dumped both bodies into the bay one one of the main things that they point out is
probably the biggest error that the police made and that was right after Lacey went missing they actually said
that Scott was fishing in the Bay Area the day she went missing this is what his truck looks like and so their theory
is somebody took her hostage she gave birth to the child and then afterwards they dumped it in the same area that
Scott was fishing in yeah garagos uh Scott's attorney suggesting that a satanic cult had kidnapped the pregnant
woman and like you said using information that they gained from media reports could frame him by dumping the
body and bodies in the bed okay now we have well because there was an attack on a woman in Modesto and
actually during that attack they they claim that there would be a murder sacrifice and they would it would be on
a pregnant woman okay so there was claims of this and this was actually looked into by the police department
they found this not to have any validity to it the prosecutions medical experts contended that the baby was not full
term and actually died at the same time as his mother and eventually was expelled from her uterus kind of
naturally I guess is the cleanest racist way to say and they're they're expert on
the stand have you ever seen the expert this expert on the stand no and I'm gonna be full disclosure here Captain
um I I did watch portions of the trial but I I didn't have the strength to sit through the entirety of of the trial he
he basically he's on the stand to say that the the baby not even that the baby went full term but that the baby died
weeks and weeks later and once he couldn't really prove that the defense is right right the defense is star
witness at some point he just starts yelling hey give me a break this is not an exact science I'm not even qualified
to do this I mean he loses his [ __ ] like it's I mean it couldn't have gone any
worse for the defense on on this witness so unlike Peterson the uh he's this guy
is unable to squirm he's unable to lie right I want to give me a break give me a break I don't even know what I'm doing
that's not even a exact science well some other weird stuff at the trial um there was some weird stuff with the
jury one was removed one member of the jury was removed and replaced early on in the trial due to misconduct and then
later the jury Foreman which is a very strange thing to see the form and removed but this wasn't really so much
removed because it's requested his own removal during the jury deliberations well I hate to keep cutting off but the
the first one was there was on the way into a courtroom there was some talking and it was simple that's the the
dismissal of the first one the foreman he he decided to go but that was during the decision-making process once once it
came down to make a verdict is when he said uh basically it was like a couple people thought
maybe he was innocent and then it got to a vote I believe of like eleven to one and that he was like the last one he was
the one holding out and he he just didn't think that they're giving it due processing going over every point and
eventually um he also made claims that he was you know some of the jury members threatened
in his life and that he got in uh physical conversations with him um the other jury members obviously deny
that well regarding the evidence itself you know like we said there was a lot of
circumstantial evidence and an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence that pointed against Scott
Peterson now as far as physical evidence goes the only piece of forensic evidence
that was identified is that single hair that we spoke about the Strand thought to have been laces that was found in a
pair of pliers on Scott Peterson's boat now this uh presented as prosecution evidence during the trial was the fact
that Peterson changed his appearance and purchased the vehicle using his mother's name in order to avoid
recognition by the Press more evidence Scott added to pornography pornographic television channels to his
cable service only days after his wife's disappearance the prosecution stated that this meant he knew she was not
coming home Peterson expressed interest in selling the house as we had said that
he had shared with Lacey sold her Land Rover so he he sold as we stated sold the Land Rover
and changed the nursery at some point the defense had a lot of different theories as to what happened to Lacey
and Connor and one such Theory this one I found to be very interesting and it's it's a little different than the satanic
cult Theory but this theory is that was argued was that a sex worker who was accused of stealing checks from the
Peterson's mailbox might have come in contact and murdered Lacey apparently the Modesto police detectives
said this woman we know who she is we've identified her she's never been a suspect in The Disappearance and
furthermore the prosecutor would argue that the noted checks the checks that were stolen were stolen after Lacey had
already vanished arguing that this means that this woman was not around was was not there doing this item doing these
bad Deeds before Lacey Peterson went missing [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] cheers me you know what Captain I have
to apologize to the good folks out there I want to Cheers you because my I'm doing something's up with my throats my
voice this week I'm battling through it [Music] um it feels it's some heavy lifting over
here so I apologize if I sound terrible but uh I do want to Circle back to the the prosecution and the police's thought
that Scott Peterson made homemade concrete anchors and that these homemade concrete anchors were missing
and they stayed in court that they believed that Scott made four or five of these homemade anchors and only one was
found the one that you had pointed out was found on the boat or in his Warehouse it was on the boat and they
believed that these additional anchors were used to hold Lacey's body down right underwater and what they've found
is when people do this and they anchor a body down that normally whatever body part that they use to anchor down uh if
the body surfaces that limb will be ripped off and so the way that Lacey was found I mean as graphic as it is I mean
there's no head there's no arms and there's no legs so it's basically a torso and one thing that I wanted to
point out and I wanted to make sure that I brought this up was I had read on several blogs that people were confused
why they spent so much time at trial arguing about what was used or what would have been used to make the one
anchor that they did find okay we have the defense who's saying well Scott Peterson used a like a pitcher some kind
of a smaller item to make the mold for this anchor that was found right these weren't it wasn't a big anchor a lot of
people see this and think one of those big work buckets well that's the prosecution is stating that it was
either a paint bucket or some type of bucket from Home Depot that was used to make the anchors and there a reason why
this is important is because keep in mind the only evidence that we have other than the purchase of
way too much concrete to make just one single anchor you know we we they know about that purchase that was made how
much concrete he purchased right so where's that other where did the rest of it go he he claims that he used it on
some concrete work at his home well I think what he did was took some sleeping pills a little bit of Viagra and shoved
it up his ass well regardless his his statement for why he purchased so much concrete goes against the prosecutions
theory the prosecutions theory is that he used uh an item that was larger than this pitcher that the defense kept
pointing to to make the mold for the concrete anchor the reason why this is important is the size the size of the
anchors that he was making is important because other than the evidence of the purchase of the concrete the only other
evidence that we have that these ever existed are the rings that were found left on that table on his workbench
let's say and so they need the prosecution needs those to match the size of the Rings the anchors that we
believe he made needs to match the size of the Rings where the defense is going to say they don't match the size of the
Rings because look he used this rather than those bigger buckets now on November 12 2004 a jury convicted
Scott Peterson of two counts of murder first degree murder with special circumstances for killing Lacey and
second-degree murder for killing Connor who she was carrying the penalty phase of the trial began on November 30th and
concluded December 13th when the jury rendered a sentence of death on March 16th judge Alfred delucci followed the
jury verdict sentencing Peterson to death by lethal injection and ordering him to pay ten thousand dollars toward
the cost of Lacey's funeral calling the murder of Lacey Peterson cruel uncaring heartless and callous
and a later press appearances members of the jury stated that they felt that Peterson's demeanor specifically his
lack of emotion and the phone calls to Amber in the days following Lacey's disappearance indicated to them that he
was guilty they based their verdict on quote hundreds of small puzzle pieces of circumstantial evidence that were
revealed during the trial from the location of Lacey's body to the lies her husband told after her disappearance
yeah from if you watch there's a really interesting documentary on this and it's
I believe a six-part series on a e one of the things that everybody says defense and prosecution is the trial was
going shitty for the prosecution people were bored out of their mind the jury looked like they were falling asleep and
then when they called Amber fry that's where everything changed and even the day before the closing they thought
Mark garrichos is a better closer he's gonna he's gonna it's gonna come down to the closing argument and Mark garcos is
going to win and for whatever reason the prosecution which was so boring and lack
of emotion and this whole case is based on emotion he came out hit it out of the
park and Mark garagos kind of you know pooped his drawers right so everybody so we we have garagos who
from public perception was kind of guaranteed to over deliver right and he did not deliver and then we have the
prosecution who was kind of expected to hand us a a boring statement um lackluster if you will and that that
individual comes out in in Nails it really hits at home for the jury and there's some thought too
um you know in regards to the foreman um that the jury form and he asked for himself to be removed because he thought
that the rest of the jury were going to try to vote him out or get him removed somehow from that jury and if I could be
quoting him wrong but I believe Mark Garrick goes at the time thought well look they don't have enough evidence to
convict him but this is emotionally based case so they will so he was actually hoping for
a hung jury now if that foreman stays on there and votes not guilty then you got
a hung jury and then you have a new trial so and then you could then argue whether or not Amber's testimony should
be in and a lot of people argue that but it's pretty simple she's a character witness right and and I think by her
being in there and listening to the hours and hours of the tapes of him talking to her and him lying to her on
the phone and and the jury also gets to hear where he's actually at when he's making those phone calls
um yeah and and I think that's very damning and she in regards to Amber being allowed in and at the trial I mean come
on she look at all the time spent interacting with him whether it be face to face or on the phone leading up to
The Disappearance of Lacey and then afterwards right Scott Peterson arrived at San Quentin State Prison on March 17
2005. he joined the more than 700 other inmates in California's Soul death row facility
on October 21st 2005 a judge ruled that proceeds from a 250 000 life insurance policy Scott Peterson took out on lacey
Peterson will go to Lacey's mother then we have the appeals process Captain so we have Cliff Gardner this is
eventually Peterson's attorney stated that because I think Mark garcos was like okay I gotta get out of this so
garagos you know I couldn't think I like garagos a lot I think he's very intelligent uh I listened to him a lot
when he has a a podcast with Adam Carolla um it's called Uh Reasonable Doubt so uh
if you're interested in hearing what this guy is like check out his podcast it can be difficult sometimes
stating or you know telling others that you like a defense attorney because I think that a lot of times Captain that
people not everybody but it's not hard for me it's because I like to tell the truth no I get that and I don't have any
problem with garagos I actually find him I don't know a ton about him but I do find him to be attractive very
intelligent and and um very good at what his role is to be right um you know I did say that I liked
um I can't think what Jose Baez did I get his name right yeah for somebody somebody who couldn't stand
Casey Anthony you know I couldn't couldn't stand that woman I can't stand you I can't I mean I
don't even let's not even get into that right right but I do I did like her attorney in the role that he played now
what I mean by that is sometimes people will go sometimes people identify the defense attorney with the person
that's on trial right and they go well that's the guy that represented Scott Peterson and you know what I hate Scott
Peterson so therefore garagos piece of [ __ ] well well yeah and similar to like
one of the things that you see is when when Scott Peterson's family is leaving after they sentence their son to death
the the amount of people attacking his parents you know like you're going to watch your
son die like they had nothing to do with this girl's disappearance they they wanted to be
grandparents you know he ripped the he he you know so I I think when people attack people like
that it's just it's ignorance right right I agree well so we have the thought of some appeals because we have
um his attorney his later attorney stating that there were mistakes made there was incorrect evidentiary rulings
that deprived Scott Peterson of a fair trial on July 6 2012 his defense attorney filed a 423-page appeal of
Scott Peterson's sentence now the State Attorney General's office filed their response brief on January 26 2015 then
the defense filed a response to the state's brief in July of 2015. this is where they claim that a certified dog
that detected at Lacey's scent at the Berkeley Marina had failed two-thirds of tests with
similar conditions yeah so one of the things we skipped over in the trial is that they had a scent dog and that this
dog magically got to the pier and picked up on Lacey's scent and this is weeks afterwards and if you even buy the
prosecution story uh Lacey was never on the dock she would have been in a boat and then that boat
would have been from the trailer put into the water so the fact that they went with a stiffy
dog doesn't make any sense anyways but this dog has failed multiple tests anyways sometimes I see the prosecution
do this where they are battling a defense that the defense just keeps coming up with all these random ideas as
to what could have happened except for their client their client didn't do it but any of the of these other
possibilities are a possibility right you know they're trying to establish Reasonable Doubt and I find sometimes
that the prosecution gets swept up in this does the same thing they start saying well here's all the reasons why
he did do it oh but it doesn't go with our story it doesn't go with our Theory which is a Dangerous Waters to uh for
them to be in now uh November 20 2015 uh the defense filed a habeas corpus petition claiming that a juror had lied
on her jury application and that there was evidence that neighbors saw Lacey alive after Scott left home that day
Christmas Eve on August 10 2017 the State Attorney General responded by appealing by to the appeal by filing a
150 page document contesting the notion disputing the claims put forward in the appeal stating that the appeal ignored
quote overwhelming evidence that Peterson murdered Lacey stating that the timeline of the crime was established by
the neighbor who found the Peterson's golden retriever wandering in the street when its leash was still attached before
the sightings of Lacey and her dog started coming out you want me to break down this point real quick yes so the
idea is that roughly about 10 18 is when The Neighbor finds uh the Peterson dog in the Peterson's yard she doesn't find
it in the park she doesn't find it down the street she finds it in the yard she said this would happen all the time they
might be playing outside or not playing outside but doing work in the garden working the yard and the dog would be
out front and she'd bring the dog back around to him this time it was a little different
because the dog had a leash on it so she claims that she took the dog with the leash put it back in the yard shut the
gate left the leash on dog is secure in the backyard which I find strange because if I found my neighbor's dog
with a leash on and it was wandering around I'd probably take the leash off when I put it in the
backyard that's just me but she left the leash on and then the then about 15-20 minutes
later the mailman delivers now he said that their dog always barked at him whether inside or outside the dog always
barked at him he claims that the gate was open ah this is what I love all these Scott Peterson supporters say
if the mailman is correct in his time which he should be because he his time is based off of him scanning in mail
which document documents the time this would be roughly a half hour later after the neighbor states that they put the
dog in the Peterson's backyard right fenced in backyard so what they're claiming is since the gate was open
again that this proves that Lacey was home and this proves that if anybody opened that
gate it was Lacy that's what they claimed this proves it doesn't prove that at all yet you don't have to be a
genius to figure this out there's so many possibilities of why that gate was open the gate was open
then the dog was put back and then the the neighbor closes the gate did she not close the gate well enough we don't know
did the the gate have a bad latch and that's why it was open in the first place we don't know
but what we do know is that when Scott Peterson comes home guess who still has a leash on
so it's if if Lacey was there and she reopened the gate then why wouldn't she take off the leash
of the dog I mean they think they claim that this is proof that she was alive uh
at 10 30 10 45 and I I think it's proof of nothing well it's just proof that the the gate
was open people get confused you know if you go to certain websites you watch certain documentaries things are skewed
in a certain way showed under a certain light at a different angle it's easy for
somebody to flip sides and think hey this person might be innocent or this person might be guilty or so on and so
forth one it gets tricky but here's here's what I think that well hold on what I was going to say is but if you're
Scott Pearson and you're lying to everybody and you've been lying to everybody for a really long time and
you're lying to your parents and you're lying to your sisters and you're lying to whoever
your brothers whoever you're lying to lying to the world then there's a party you know if you're his father you want
to believe him you want to believe that you raise somebody better than this right and and so I I feel bad for them
because they're trying to prove that he's innocent well back to the the whole dog thing and the neighbor placing the
dog in the fence that occurred at what time they think roughly 10 10 15 yeah 10 18 10 20. so
let's say in the window of 10 15 10 20. what I think that people are failing to recognize here is that remember the
statement of 11 Witnesses stated that they saw Lacey Peterson with their dog walking her dog
okay and remember those statements the statements that I found do not specifically namely Lacey Peterson they
State I saw a woman and her dog or a Woman matching Lacey's description and a dog matching that description right the
other issue here that's very difficult is if the neighbor found the dog by itself
places the dog in the fence between 10 15 and 10 20. any of those sightings any of those
witnesses that come forward and say that they saw the dog with Lacey after 10 20.
did not see lady did not see Lacey and did not see the Peterson's dog right unless unless
here's what happened she let the dog out right and then she went and stole another dog that looked just like her
dog and walked that dog that's probably what happened well I think ultimately what happened is I think the jury got it
right I understand that all they had was circumstantial evidence I see what I believe to be a mountain of
circumstantial evidence I know that it is called into question uh my next statement here but I do believe that
it's likely Scott Peterson told his in-laws that he went golfing that morning and then later he's saying that
he went fishing instead I don't think that this guy was smart enough to understand or to believe that he was
going to have to answer the amount of questions that he was going to have to to come across right I don't believe
that he thought he would be investigated as early into this as he actually was and I think at some point he squirmed
when when presented with the idea that he was golfing and he had to prove where he was well guess what fishing still
proves that I didn't kill my wife that in the window that I'm going to lead you to believe that my wife was murdered
I wasn't here or available or with her during that time because I was fishing and here's my proof that I was fishing
here's my launch ticket here's the receipt for that and I think this was absolutely premeditated murder I think
he planned to kill her before he purchased that boat I believe that she likely didn't know about the boat and
persons close to her and him didn't know about the boat I think he pre he pre-meditated the murder of his wife and
his to be son and he did this I think I think I don't think he did this for Amber I don't
think he did this because he wanted to be with Amber I think he just did this for himself and what I mean by that is I
think I think all this all this stuff you know the the purchasing online by Lacey that morning I think so what he he
took her debit card or credit card and he bought something on a website that he knew that she shopped on yeah that's not
hard to do yeah he turns on Martha Stewart why he's preparing things to to take it to San Francisco Bay and he
listens to what's going on and says Ah I remember Martha talking about this and this and this while Lacey was watching
it that morning and then he conveniently goes into work where he's picking up his boat
transferring the body at some point from the truck to the boat taking the body out into the water tossing it over the
side of the boat at the trial at the trial we have the defense that says oh the prosecution uh took out a boat that
was uh similar to um oh no no I'm sorry I got this backwards the defense stated we we have
a boat same exact boat as Scott Peterson's took it out to the bay and using the weight of Peterson as an
example and the weight of Lacey as an example trying to toss that body over into the water made the boat capsize
therefore Scott Peterson could not have done it in that small of a boat the prosecution fired back and stated
uh well let's do let's use Scott Peterson's actual boat and go out there and conduct the same test and the
defense quickly let that slide they didn't want to see that happen because I don't think that they believe the the
show that they put on much like the show that Scott Peterson was putting on this
whole time I think he fabricated this Alibi I think he did things to make it look like Lacey was alive longer than
she was and that he was gone at the time that she disappeared he likely he likely
after driving off with her body either in the truck or all you know he he might even even had the dog with
them and releases the dog on the side of the road a couple blocks away hoping the
dog walks home returns home and the neighbor finds it and then we have this situation of
of his boat that he's keeping at the warehouse you know I I really think he had a he had a place
that he could go and he could conceal moving that body very briefly into that boat and then he goes out onto the water
on what day Christmas Eve why he's not expecting to see anybody else out there and he doesn't want to see anybody else
out there well just to play Devil's Advocate defense did present the idea that he saw
somebody out there they claimed that there was eyewitness that saw um Scott Pearson in a boat and that
there was nothing in the boat um that was false because we knew that we had he had fishing equipment he also
mysteriously had a tarp in his boat but this credible eyewitness that they bring
up in all these documentaries and say that once he gets to trial he had this information he could have called him in
the first trial you didn't I think they didn't because I think this guy was full
of [ __ ] he saw a guy and a small boat because again it's a fresh water boat and you're
in salt water and that was kind of funny and you're wearing camouflage clothes and I don't think this guy saw that
also this idea that there's these satanic killings and that they're going to take a mother and take the baby and
blah blah blah there's no evidence of that so uh come up with something a little bit better now the missing
pregnant women that's kind of an interesting Theory I love how they say there was eight of
them they don't tell you what happened to the eight of them how one was found one was not found one was found dead one
was found alive and yes there was somebody from Modesto pregnant woman that she was found she washed ashore
they did not find her baby and same scenario it was a torso so the the cops made a huge mistake by
stating where Scott Peterson was because if somebody did do this killing you got a perfect place
to dump the body and then you get to frame this guy so then the other thing too and I think
this needs to be looked at more is the prosecution claims that the burglary took place on the 24th where it
took place on the 26th and not on the 24th well they actually can't prove that and
based on reporters that on the 26th the Scott Peterson neighborhood was filled with media so we're talking about the
house that's right across the street and the people right across the street you would think that robbers are not
going to break into a house when there's tons of media sitting around on the 26th so I think
that's something you know if you want to argue that point I I might listen to you a little bit but
let's start with December 9th you get caught you're dating a girl you're married you're having a child and you're
dating somebody and you get caught and you tell that person lie upon lie upon lie and then you go oh by the way I was
married but guess what happened to her she went missing oh when did she go missing right before Christmas it's
going to be my first Christmas without my wife doesn't say that she was pregnant still
again another lie and is he a fortune teller you know what are the odds that he tells
somebody his wife went missing on the 9th and then on the 24th she goes missing the defense likes to say well you know
on the 24th that Lacey got her hair done and Scott actually invited the hairdresser back to the house
and so that proves that he wasn't planning on killing her that night that doesn't prove nothing
come over to the house watch some football with us eat some pizza I'm gonna kill her in her sleep anyways
I think he probably then they went back they were watching TV eating pizza he probably put a little sleeping pills and
and her drink she passed out he suffocated her I think he had two tarps I think he put her on one tarp but lined
it with the other tarp so the tarps uh the tarps were touching but only one tarp was touching the body
I think he then wrapped her body up and that tarp I think he put her in the truck
uh and had two tarps and then on Christmas Eve he decides to take three umbrellas two giant three giant
umbrellas from their backyard and store them at his work Warehouse what is the point of that
cause I have to cover up the fact that I'm taking a body and put it into my truck and then what does he do
he he stages it like you said oh let me put her bench out you know they they claim that the bench and the and uh her
putting out the bench and having her curling iron and all that stuff proves that she was alive on the 24th maybe she
was alive on the 24th maybe he drugged her on the 24th maybe he suffocated her on the 24th or maybe he staged it it
doesn't prove she was alive it just proves that somebody in the house moved the bench that somebody in the house put
a curling iron out that somebody in the house turned on Martha Stewart it does not prove that Lacey was alive you can't
say well Scott watched Martha Stewart so she was alive no no it proves nothing it
just proves that that Scott watched Martha Stewart and then he pulls out a bucket puts some
cleaning supply in it probably bleach cleans up the place then puts the bucket outside takes the dog puts it on a leash
opens up the gate I don't even think he dropped to the dog off anywhere I think he just opened the gate knowing that the
dog is going to make its way outside the gate he then takes Lacey's body his unborn
child's body that's wrapped up into the tarp he goes um to his Warehouse where the boat that
nobody knew existed no proof that anybody knew about this boat and he had anchors made and one of the
big things that people point out is he had this saw that was ordered and it showed up that day and he looked up
instructions and he assembled the saw well it was a wood saw right but this is a
guy that takes a freshwater boat and puts it in salt water he doesn't give a [ __ ] if it's a wood saw or if it's a
metal saw and I think he used this saw the reason why he had to put it together is because he had to finish the anchors
he was making so he makes these anchors which we have proof that he has one in his boat that's
tied to nothing that proves that's evidence that it wasn't being used for an anchor is going to be used
for something out else and maybe when he gets out there again he has a tarp he has
um so he has her body in the tarp she's in and she's now either in the back of his truck or she's in the boat and maybe
there was an eyewitness that saw Scott maybe he didn't see anything in the boat but maybe the boat wasn't packed up yet
and that that's my only explanation for that where the guy just didn't see what do you know what time the witness States
He Saw roughly the same time that uh I mean there was a bunch of eyewitnesses that
actually saw Peterson at the dock and that's because this guy that's supposed to be this Avid fisherman and this guy
that has a boat he was so bad at backing up the boat to put it in the water that people were
like whoa and we're talking about a small boat so again lie after lie you also then say I didn't want to go
golfing because it was windy and rainy and okay you don't want to go golfing but you want to go boating when it's
when it's windy and rainy so then you get out there she's in the boat now you have your
little homemade anchors that you got from Home Depot and yeah Tire limbs up and you get her
out of the boat and you're gone for about an hour and a half and then you decide hey I'm gonna call her I
established that I'm gone because what you're trying to establish is that she went missing and you weren't there not
that she was murdered that she went missing and you weren't there so you call her hey honey I forgot to pick up
that thing can you pick it up I know you can't because I killed you but can maybe
you can pick it up for Pappy with the ever the [ __ ] you said and then you get back and then you're like oh I gotta
take a shower I'm gonna put my clothes in the washer because I need to have them washed because it might have some
evidence on it oh that bucket of cleaning supplies that I claim that you're gonna mop the floor no I'm going
to dump that out so you do that then you call oh time goes by you think you'd be going hey we
have a party to go to what the hell is going on where is she at you don't call 9-1-1 you claim that you're talking to
the neighbors you claim you're going to the park then you go and you tell the police officers our marriage was fine
which was a [ __ ] lie because you have a fair it's just lie upon lie upon lie upon lie
and I mean I could keep going on and on and on it's like it's just ridiculous and then their
bodies are found miles from where you were at one mile yeah how do you explain that
you sell her car how do you explain that you you dye your hair and and I understand that there's this
idea that if there's um a point of evidence but it also points to guilty or innocent
that you're supposed to go to Innocent but how many times are we supposed to do that if it's a hundred times are we
supposed to do that 100 times no absolutely not does you being a liar does that make you a murderer no does
does you have an affair make you a murderer no you lie a million times uh maybe you are a murderer you're a
narcissist for one and and I think here's where people get it wrong when people sit there and say well the media
did this to him and the no no no no no no no no he did it to himself he's the one that chose to have an affair he's
the one that chose to to lie to the girl that was his girlfriend he's the one that then told her that his wife went
missing he's the one that lied to everybody over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over again right and he so he did this to himself the media didn't do this to himself I do think the
cops messed up a little bit they were searching in the bay for her body then they find the bodies you know
what you need to be searching for the anchors because the anchors that's your murder
weapon right she might have been suffocated beforehand but those those anchors that
that is a nail on his coffin that's to me definitive proof I think they could have found those
anchors uh I think they could have proved all along the way you know people have
these things where they go Lacey do about the boat no there was no proof that she knew about the boat there was
just proof that she went and took a piss at the warehouse um they Coulda they could have tested the
cleaning supply that he dumped out was it bleach there's all the speculation that people smell bleach afterwards
is it and if it was bleach does that mean he's trying to cover something up um I don't know I I Nancy Grace which look
you can hate her for a lot of the stuff she says about other cases fine I'll hand you that
but one of the things that she said which I thought was very interesting was this case
was you you wake up right go to work it's a sunny day beautiful day out you go to work it's time for lunch
come outside branches all over the place leaves on the ground puddles everywhere
did it storm did not storm you didn't see the storm you don't you didn't physically see that
it stormed but you can see by the evidence that it did and I think in this case that's why he was found
guilty and that's why he got the death penal I don't think he got the death penalty
because he killed Lacey it's he killed Lacey and a baby the baby was about to be born
you know that's why he got the death penalty well you have to wonder too you know when people make all these
little arguments you have to wonder did he purposely buy the boat with the fishing gear for the depth finder
because he needed to dump them deep enough that they may not ever be recovered right he also looked up
currents current patterns the day before and the thing here is Scott Peterson thank God he got the
death penalty and hopefully his is a situation where they do in fact execute him California
is not very good at following through with that part of the penalty phase but you know who he reminds me of and who he
would have went on to be like had he not got caught because again I don't think he did this to be with Amber I think he
did this for himself I think that if Hattie got married again in another town in another state somewhere
a decade or two later mm-hmm he would have done the same thing to that person as soon as he decided it was no longer
working for him and this would be a pattern he would continue to repeat time and time again
he reminds me very much of the individual Felix Vale that we discussed so many cases ago well no and I think
the thing though too is a lot of people go look he's claiming he's innocent he's
he's telling his family he's innocent the reason why he staged or was trying to Stage that his wife
went missing is that he couldn't be man enough to say look I'm having an affair I don't want
to be married I don't want to be a father but he couldn't be a man and say that well that's kind of weird
you know if you have a child you should want to be a father but he didn't have the guts to say that
because it'd make him look like a pile of [ __ ] right and I understand that his his uh family
uh want to defend him and all this stuff but how many points of evidence do you need
that your son is one of the biggest piles of [ __ ] that ever walked this Earth [Music]
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On December 24th, 2002 - Husband and father to be, Scott Peterson left home at 9:30am. He was planning on a short fishing trip but first he would have to go into work. When Scott left home his wife Laci was watching television. She was planning to do a little house cleaning and then take the dog for a walk. Later that day Scott returned home to an empty house. His wife’s vehicle and purse were still at the house but Laci was nowhere in sight. Scott reported his wife as missing and told police the family dog came home with its leash still on but no Laci...Beer of the Week - Blackberry Daze by Anchor Brewing Garage Grade - 3 and a half bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

The episode details the Lacey Peterson case, focusing on Scott Peterson's suspicious actions and the subsequent trial leading to his conviction.

Key points

The Disappearance of Lacey Peterson. Lacey Peterson's family expresses concern over her husband Scott's suspicious actions after her disappearance.
Discovery of Remains. The remains of Lacey and her unborn child are found, escalating the investigation into a homicide.
Scott Peterson's Arrest. Scott Peterson is arrested with suspicious items in his car, raising questions about his intentions.
Scott Peterson's Conviction. On November 12, 2004, Scott Peterson was convicted of two counts of murder.
The Jury's Decision. The jury based their verdict on hundreds of small puzzle pieces of circumstantial evidence.
Trial's Turning Point. The prosecution's case improved dramatically with Amber Fry's testimony, changing the jury's perception.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Selling her car is a strange thing to do.

Discussion about Scott Peterson's actions after Lacey's disappearance.

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