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did lawyer up and he got a good one or at least an experienced one his lawyer was a man who faced more criminal murder
defense cases I believe in the history of Canada he had argued at the time nearly 700 murder cases so if anyone
could get tier huse a light sentence this is going to be the guy for the job tier huse did agree to talk with Dan
zupansky and why wouldn't he have this guy seems to want to tell his story and to tell the story of the murder itself
yeah but this is going to make his lawyer's job a little more difficult that it is Dan thought the
case was a good one to Spotlight for his work with the peoples for justice but this case was already making headlines
and Dan believed there was a bigger story here and this could be a book so Dan and tier huse work out a deal that
the two of them would write this book together about the case and they would split the proceeds
7030 the things as you just said here Captain regarding making tier Hugh's case more difficult to argue in court
yeah 100% that is so spoton because the things that he's telling Dan zupansky one in person and two through letters
he's talking about how not only did he kill and mutilate this poor man he seemed to or at least from his
writings he seemed to enjoy it right he seemed to enjoy it very much he sent Dan
several letters and even diagrams of drawings of how he dissected the body and things that he was intending to do
if we're g hold on if we're gonna talk about dissecting there we go continue on my
kind sir so the other thing too that we have not got to yet and you look you had
a statement yesterday you got to clear something up for me because you said Dan was going to split the prophets
correct now that's legal there it is and it isn't we'll get into that in in in more detail here in a minute just just
I'll remind you later I want to Circle back to something that you said on yesterday's show and maybe a bit of a
head scratcher for some of the people out there you talked about the length of time and we talked about the amount of
skill that would be involved the amount of labor involved to mutilate this body in the manner that it was
you made a statement saying this proves this points to premeditated murder and people will probably going well all of
that all of those Acts were carried out postmortem how does that point to premeditated murder what it points to is
that our offender that our killer very likely has a fascination with the dead has a fascination with playing and doing
with things to a corpse and you can't have a corpse until you murder someone so it very much plays into the thought
of was this a premeditated murder or not agree when we talked about letters that
he sent and about diagrams that he sent to Dan talking about things he wanted to
do or things that he did do with the body there were also acts of necrofilia oh okay tuse talked about playing with
the body and playing with body parts he talked about partially dissecting one of
the hands and one of the forearms tus even talked about the power that he felt when he's holding the parts of the body
and how it made him know that he had done the right thing meaning that the murder was the right thing for him to do
right as we said according to tier Hughes 6:20 p.m. is when he says Robin green died I mean that's pretty sick I
mean he's he's playing flicky flicky with the with the dead tiu says he has serial kill Killers for Role Models this
is what he tells Dan and he actually notes four killers in particular and this is Dennis neelen who he says is his
hero Jeffrey dmer John Wayne gasy and eile waros for those not familiar Eileen waros was an American serial killer who
murdered seven men in Florida between the years of 1989 and 1990 she shot these men at Point Blank Range
Aileen claimed this was in self-defense and that the men had raped her or attempted to do so ailen was a sex
worker she was convicted and executed by the state of Florida this is somebody that we at some point want to do a
profile on episode 811 okay John Wayne gasey who we covered in episodes well this was way back then
episodes 105 and 106 and for those that listen listen to those two episodes you will remember gasy raped tortured and
murdered at least 33 teenage boys and young men between the years of 1972 and 1978 gasy received a much easier death
than any of his victims when he was killed via lethal injection at the Stateville Correctional Center on May
10th 1994 his death was confirmed in the middle of the night and actually this is
this is a strange thing this is something I will never forget I remember hearing back in 1994 I had a paper route
and I remember hearing on the news early that morning before anyone else in my family had got up for the day hearing
the news that gasy had been executed Jeffrey dmer who of course is very well known in the True Crime Community also
known as the Milwaukee cannibal or the Milwaukee monster he committed rape murder and dismemberment of 17 men and
boys from 7 8 to 1991 he ultimately received the old prison Justice and was killed by an inmate on November 28th
1994 these are tier Hugh's Role Models those are his words yeah well he says hero for one yeah and with with the dmer
case um you were saying that earlier before the murder actually took place in room 309 that they were taking pictures
is this a old-fashioned camera or is it Polaroid do no it was a disposable camera okay so did they get any evidence
off that other than that they could place him in the room and place them together nothing other than that because
the pictures themselves from my understanding only depict both of them being alive and well before any type of
attack occurred right but I also wonder if he got this from dmer because dmer would take pictures at the time I think
dmer was using a Polaroid but he would take pictures of a lot of his victims or he'd even get him to come back to his
apartment saying hey come back I'll take some pictures of you it's it's possible
it seems like a weird thing to do and then turn yourself in yeah there there doesn't seem to be yeah but that to me
is good reason or to be well thought out that I'm going to take pictures to capture this moment yet I'm not going
to view these pictures okay there's one crime that is similar with dmer where he
picks up a man takes him back to a hotel and blacks out woke up the guy was I believe Beat to Death so that's similar
to to dmer I I wonder if he read about some of these guys' fantasies cuz like you said the mutilation of the body
would be proof of premeditation if he read about some of these guys fantasies and identified with them well that's why
I'm giving a very brief look at each of these individuals that he named as his so-called role
models and look these are people that tier Hugh likely studied and the last one that we need to go through is Dennis
Neilson this is the one who he said was his hero now neelen was a Scottish serial killer who was convicted of
killing six people but murdered at least 12 it's suspected that he M murdered 12
young men between the years of 1978 and 1983 he committed these murders at his home this was at two different addresses
in North London he strangled most of these young men he would then keep the bodies for an extended period of time he
would eventually dissect the bodies and dispose of The Remains by burning them or flushing them down the toilet
Syracuse claims in court that the letters that he sent to Dan zansky that's giving great detail right on how
he committed the murder and things that he did with the body and how he enjoyed it he claims in court that these details
he found all this information in books that he found in the the prison library at the jailhouse library and he took
details from these different crimes of some of the killers that we previously mentioned and piece together this
fictional story of what he tells Dan happened that it's not you can't use those letters to determine that I
actually knew what I was doing that it was in fact premeditated murder and that I am a very very sick and Disturbed
individual you can't use that because it was all some fiction that I came up with
in my mind put pen to paper and send it off to Dan zupansky to try to tell or to
assist him in telling a good story right all of these killers uh that we mentioned too is interesting that he
list these killers in my opinion and because they're all big names these killers received a good deal of
notoriety for the murders and for the gruesomeness of the murders that they committed Dan would learn quite a bit
about tier huse unfortunately most of what is known about tier huse comes from Sydney tier Hugh himself he has decided
what would be learned about him what he would tell people tier Hugh spent most of his adult
life working as a chef he moved around quite a bit too remember we said he was from Winnipeg but moved away he actually
lived in Vancouver amongst other places for some time tier huse moved back to Winnipeg or was in the process of doing
so at the time of Robin Green's murder he was moving back because he had recently lost his job as a chef and he
was let go or fired and was waiting to get back on his feet or in the process of doing so in
Winnipeg yeah this Royal Albert hotel it was the kind of place where you could throw down a little money and stay for
an extended period of time so I don't know for sure but unlike our victim Robin green who was simply in town to
visit family and party for the holiday TI huse was probably there for an extended stay as he attempted to move
back to that area before all of this tier hu didn't have much of a police record maybe not as big of or as lengthy
of one as most would think he did have a conviction for exposing himself to a newspaper boy yeah and here you're just
trying to deliver the papers and uh goo tuse was adopted he was an indigenous person adopted by by a white family who
lived in Winnipeg tuse would claim abuse but of course there were never any charges to back any of this up he he
claims to have been physically and sexually abused by some of his family members I know some of the details of
that I don't care to go into it because I don't believe that these statements are true these are in my opinion highly
suspect claims unsubstantiated claims of abuse and I actually liken these claims
to be similar to those of Arthur shawcross Who after his eventual capture just seemed to lie about everything
including abuse by members of his family right so it is through this book project
that Dan zupansky acquires all of this information from Sydney tier huse about the murder Dan decides this stuff is
evidence most of what Dan has of course is from tier H tier huse wrote about it himself and sent it to zansky this is
evidence about the murder about intent of murder and truly a glimpse into the mind of the killer right and we know
that he told the police which I I'm not sure how that works there but when they see him and and he takes them to the
scene of the crime he said they ask how it happened he said well I did it and I chopped him up with this knife so to me
that would be a oral confession and then it seems like zupansky is going hey this
is a written confession all right something you wanted to get back to we need to talk about the deal the deal
between Dan and tier Hughes to split the proceeds of this book 7030 yeah the way
that this goes down and I will really simplify this and make it very vanilla because we don't need to go through
every little tiny bit of this but generally speaking what we have here is Dan zansky
is aware of current laws in place and aware of laws that are in the process of possibly being enacted right there
was to be a law put into place it hadn't passed yet but it was to be put in place
so that criminals could not profit from their crimes much like our son of Sam laws
that we have which technically eventually those were ruled to be unconstitutional but there are still
similar laws in place here in the United States that hold up the general concept
of that idea that perpetrators cannot profit from his or her crimes right so Dan knows that this is in the process of
being voted upon and that he's aware that it's going to pass this is not when when you go and you put this bill I
don't even know if they call them bills up there I love when we talk other countries we know so much it's tough
enough to figure out America yeah so well rounded we are when this bill is put up or this this act is put into
place or to be voted upon Dan is aware that this is the type of situation that passes it's not something that sits
around and waits and there it never passes this is a law that everybody can easily
get behind nobody out walking around in society no normal person wants a murderer to profit from their murder
right they just don't he goes in there with this idea knowing that T huse thinks he has leverage because tuse is
the man holding the story he's the one holding all the information if he doesn't give that to Dan zupansky he can
give it to somebody else so Dan wants to make it look like hey we're working on this thing together we're going to split
the proceeds he's also aware that this law is going to pass eventually and I can flip the table flip the script on
tier huse he's not going to get paid or profit in any way from the information that he's provided Dan's also very
confident that tier huse will provide him with information because he seems eager to talk to someone do you think uh
Dan zupansky would look at him in the eye and say ha got him 100% story's all mine creepo maybe now I don't know at
the time because there are some complications with that so Dan zupansky through his correspondence with murderer
Sydney tier huse goes from journalist and author to Star witness in this whole mess because his correspondence and the
work and effort that Dan put in he provides the prosecution with a detailed and graphic minute-by-minute timeline of
the crimes and the murder and then the postmortem behavior of the offend offender right also because TI huse is
dumb enough to believe that he's communicating with a quote unquote friend he also provides his feelings and
thoughts and puts pen to paper and writes them down to later be viewed when trying to determine his punishment for a
very brutal and coldblooded murder right which his lawyer is probably trying to argue the defense lawyer is probably
trying to argue that my client's insane and and and therefore and he didn't plan this so therefore it should
be manslaughter or even less yeah second deegree murder charges back then would you would be facing if convicted a
10 to 25e sentence all right keep that in mind as we go through the rest of this within
those details are also tier huse writing what he's thinking and feeling as he is
dismembering this innocent man and again he talks about the power he felt during
the act and how severed pieces of this body how it turned him on right he felt powerful tier Hugh also believes too
far-fetched ideologies that the savagery of this murder is going to bring him notoriety and money by committing the
horrible act itself and then telling this putrid tale with fanciful descriptions from his writings TI huse
was even telling Dan what to name the book or at least providing several suggestions for the title yeah what were
those I couldn't find that list and I've seen that list somewhere in the past we
should have reached out to Dan maybe Dan can tweet us or something if I've seen that list before and I could not find it
anywhere within this past week or so but Dan if you're listening tweet us the book itself is called trophy kill and
that is one of the suggestions provided to Dan from tier Hughes and Dan had to testify against tier Hughes this is
scary stuff this is scary for many reasons we know what T huse is capable of right we know what he has done that
is not in dispute at this trial what is in dispute is was this premeditated and did he of his own power and of his own
control commit this horrible act and murder we talked about the two for one deal this this is why this makes this
super scary right Dan zupansky has to testify against this guy against the guy that he fooled that he tricked right the
two for one deal states that while you're in jail waiting for your court date you get two for one time served
because of the it's more harsh or it's considered to be more harsh by Canadian law while you're waiting for your trial
rather than serving your time in prison so we're going to give you double time for it remember we said if this thing
goes to second degree murder the penalty is 10 to 25 years tier Hughes managed to if he was
managed to get it reduced to second degree murder or manslaughter which many of these cases
do go that rout out right right he's going to get a lighter shorter sentence and then right and plus he gets double
time for the time served right meaning if Sydney T huse gets 12 15 years something like that he's already served
10 years of that okay let me get into that real quick the trial took five years to get to wow he sat in jail
waiting for a court date for 5 years that's well that's of his own doing right right right he's manipulating the
system system him and his lawyer claim that he's not getting a proper jury trial that he should get a jury of his
peers and because he's an indigenous person that they should be basically he he wants the peers to be exactly like
him make up a jury of people exactly like me and watch [ __ ] stains that's not how it works uh we need a whole jury of
[ __ ] stains your honor but think about this if he only gets 10 years we could be talking about about parole hearings
as soon as this dude is convicted zansky Could Be A Marked Man yeah tier Hugh fortunately his next trophy does not
this doesn't work out in his favor or to the extent that his lawyer was trying to
manipulate the system he does get convicted of murder he does receive that life sentence with possible parole at 25
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some things that I wanted to get into before we wrap up today some what I believe to be very important questions
here that come to mind when reviewing this case and questions that I think need to be discussed for one do you or
do the people out there believe that tier huse actually killed for fame and notoriety I could see somebody saying
yes because there's some evidence of that I'm going to say no because I think that's after the fact I think this was
more about the thrill and the power that he would seek afterwards MH and and possibly these fantasies that he had
that he wanted to carry out because it was so horrendous that I think it was like a byproduct like he thought well
now that this has happened and now that I possibly could spend my whole life in in prison how can I profit off this or
how can I make something of myself yeah I don't know that he killed for fame or notoriety I'm I'm kind of with you on
that a little bit in the sense that maybe he figured there's no way of getting out of this and we've already
stated he says serial killers were his role models maybe he saw some of the fame and
notoriety that they received from their crimes and thought well if I'm going to have to do the time at least maybe I
make myself a somewhat of a name right now if in fact he did I'm not g I don't know that I would go as far to say that
he didn't I I really feel on the fence regarding that question and that is a big question that comes up in this case
but if tier huse did in fact kill for fame and notoriety look we already know he would
not have been the only person to ever do so Luca magnata killed and dismembered Lyn June and there's no doubt that he
did that for what he presumed to be Fame he he did receive International notoriety not so much for the murder but
because he packaged and mailed off the hands and feet of the victim to elementary schools into Political party
headquarters and because of the video he released on the internet depicting the murder
scene I'm sure there are probably plenty more but Luca of course is is the one that first comes to mind also though I
think there's also evidence against that he did it for fame because if he's telling these people later that hey
these were my heroes these serial killers well as far as we know this is his only kill
and so I think if it was like oh well if I kill somebody and I do it in such a horrific manner I can keep
killing and I'll have to keep killing and keep doing so in a horrific manner just like my quote unquote Heroes right
but I think the thing when we talk about somebody like Luca magnat is he set it up in a way that he
would be able to kill one person and receive that same notoriety be be lumped in with some of the worst of the worst
but having only killed one right but you bring up a my other question which is an
interesting one to ponder is tier huse possibly a serial killer what what do you think the chances are that he has
killed before this I mean this is pretty gruesome stuff here even by serial killer standard so making it somewhat
difficult to believe that this is tier hu's first go at homicide yeah I think because of his small criminal history
one can say well this is possibly the first one and and he also confessed to it pretty quickly it's almost like once
he came to or claims to come to is when he goes oh I must have did this and I need to tell somebody and but it's so
horrific that's the evidence that you go well this person has the ability to have
done this before yeah and it appears that he has the fasination to have done this before yeah
that this is some kind of fantasy that he eventually lived out or maybe it's one that he has in fact lived out in a
different manner once or twice or three times before the thing is with this case
you're not going to find another one that is identical to this postmortem Behavior by the
offender right but the confession that you reference is really truly the first thing that makes I believe would make
one say no he's not done this before because he in fact did turn himself in but well it seemed like he couldn't stop
confessing somewhat I mean here's the thing the confession I think when we see behaviors of other
individuals maybe we take that away and say okay that is not a 100% indicator that he has not in fact killed before
because we have seen scenarios some like that of Ed keer I mean he killed and killed and killed and oddly enough he
dismembered corpses too but then one day he turned himself in right then you have
someone like Wayne Adam Ford dubbed the remorseful serial killer also out in California just like keer Ford killed
Four Women and then one day just walks into a police station with a severed breast in his pocket for Effective proof
mind you and confesses to being a serial killer now some believe that this man may have killed more but only telling
the police about the ones that he wanted to leaving out some of the kills and confessing to others and all of this for
one reason or another and unfortunately Ford if in fact he did kill more than for only he would know
the reasons why he would confess to some but not others usually Captain what I have
always looked for in this type of scenario when we talk about confessed killers and why they would confess to
some but not others is the obvious in in our great country some states have a possible penalty of death right for
one's crimes and others do not that making sense why someone might confess to a murder in one state but choose to
leave out a murder that they've done in another state and we've also talked about shame and of course it's hard to
believe that someone capable of murdering multiple individuals would have any form of shame but it seems that
they do we know this from someone like Ted Bundy who was a partially Confessor of his crimes right
and his confessions he hinted at and made reference to acts of necrofilia but never outright admitted to it and we
know that on February 9th 1978 Ted abducted and killed 12-year-old Kimberly leech but that wasn't a crime he was
willing to confess to right but I think it goes back to what you're were saying before is well they the the selfish
reason of well I'm not going to admit to killing somebody in this State because I'd get the death penalty but I also
think they Adit they omit any killings of children because they know that could mean the death penalty for them in jail
because we we have seen uh time and time again that the people that have committed crimes against children they
they get punished well in the situation with Sydney tier huse is just this he was hoping that because he
claims to be all drugged up and intoxicated that he's going to get a second degree murder
charge or a manslaughter charge and this will not this doesn't mean he's spending
life in prison right or that he's spending 25 years in prison so if I walk into a what I believe to be police
department and tell them I woke up and found some guy chopped up in my hotel room I must have killed him right that
plays to me hopefully getting second degree murder charges or manslaughter charges now if I say within that same
sitdown meeting oh by the way I also did this in Vancouver and I also did this in
Edmonton I did it in U you know any other place right but by the way I blacked out in all those cases it's
going to make it seem like now we're talking about a premeditated murder hands down right and that his
defense is not that he didn't kill this man his defense is that he was not of his own control thus light severely
lessening the sentence that he would receive and by the way maybe I'm going to receive a little bit of notoriety a
little bit of Fame and a little bit of money along the way while I sit here and and wait to be released back to the
public yeah it's really a tricky thing the thing with tier Hughes too I'm I would be curious to know more about why
and when he chose to pack everything up and move to a different city I'm curious
what is the actual reasons and the why and the how of him moving back to Winnipeg and him moving from Vancouver
right if you're a chef in Canada Vancouver from my understanding or Toronto is where you want to be he was
in Vancouver at one time that's the place he's going to make the most money that's going to be the most opportunity
and the most jobs for somebody of that profession right is there unsolved crime that he possibly would fit the bill for
yeah did it get too hot in the kitchen he decided to run to hot in the hot tub Dan zansky was a volunteer journalist a
wannabe true crime author this story picked him and I'm glad that it did Dan zupansky received a lot of extreme ex
unwarranted criticism for his efforts to get to the truth and to present the truth to the public the public that
would be just as afraid as Dan was if they just took the time to educate and understand the true gravity of this
situation and the dangers that someone like tier Hughes presents to any society that chooses to allow him to live in
that Society I said volunteer journalists and I said one to be true crime author and I said that with
extreme respect to Dan Dan didn't go to school to be a journalist and later when
his book titled trophy kill came out he was then criticized by people in that profession saying Dan is not a true
journalist a journalist is someone who collects writes and shares information with the public Dan is every bit of a
real and true journalist and one very big giant step above those that critiqued him and above and better than
those who just push fluff pieces for a paycheck right Dan is a journalist with Integrity a man that cares about the
truth and that worked his butt off on this tar huse Robin green case getting the story straight from the mouth of the
monster and then provided that truth to the public he truly performed a real Act
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Brief Summary

Sydney Tierhuse's murder case reveals disturbing confessions and a fascination with serial killers, complicating his defense strategy.

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True Crime Garage Introduction. Join hosts Nick and the Captain for a drink and some true crime discussion.
Sydney Tier Huse's Lawyer. Tier Huse's lawyer has extensive experience in murder defense cases.
The Book Deal. Dan Zupansky and Tier Huse agree to write a book about the case together.
The Lengthy Trial Process. The trial took five years, highlighting the complexities of the case.

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Discussion about Tier Huse's case

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