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[Music] accused killer Sydney tyrhuse did lawyer up and he got a good one or at least an
experienced one his lawyer was a man who faced more criminal murder defense cases I believe
in the history of Canada he had argued at the time nearly 700 murder cases so if anyone could get tear
Hughes a light sentence this is going to be the guy for the job Tyrus did agree to talk with Dan
zupanski and why wouldn't he have this guy seems to want to tell his story and to tell the story of the murder itself
yeah but this is going to make his lawyer's job a little more difficult that it is
Dan thought the case was a good one to Spotlight for his work with the peoples for justice but this case was already
making headlines and Dan believed there was a bigger story here and this could be a book
so Dan and Tyrus work out a deal that the two of them would write this book together about the case and they would
split the proceeds 70 30. the things as you just said here Captain regarding making tear uses case more difficult to
argue in court yeah 100 percent that is so spot on because the things that he's telling Dan zupanski one in
person and two through letters he's talking about how not only did he kill and mutilate this poor man
he seemed to or at least from his writings he seemed to enjoy it right he seemed to enjoy it very much he sent
Dan several letters and even diagrams of drawings of how he dissected the body and things that he was intending to do
if we're gonna hold on if we're gonna talk about dissecting there we go continue on
my kind sir so the other thing too that we have not got to yet and you look you had a statement yes you
got to clear something up for me because you said Dan was going to split the profits
correct now that's legal there it is and it isn't we'll get into that in okay in in more detail here in a
minute just I'll remind you later I want to Circle back to something that you said on yesterday's show and maybe a bit
of a head scratcher for some of the people out there you talked about the length of time and we talked about the
amount of skill that would be involved the amount of labor involved to mutilate this body in the manner that it was
you made a statement saying this proves this points to premeditated murder and people are probably going well all of
that all of those Acts were carried out post-mortem how does that point to premeditated murder what it points to is
that our offender that our killer very likely has a fascination with the dead has a fascination with playing and doing
with things to a corpse and you can't have a corpse until you murder someone so it very much plays into the thought
of was this a premeditated murder or not I agree we talked about letters that he sent and about diagrams
that he sent to Dan talking about things he wanted to do or things that he did do
with the body there were also acts of necrophilia ah okay tyracuse talked about playing with
the body and playing with body parts he talked about partially dissecting one of
the hands in one of the forearms Tyrus even talked about the power that he felt when he's holding the parts
of the body and how it made him know that he had done the right thing meaning that the murder was the right thing for
him to do right as we said according to tyracuse 6 20 PM is when he says Robin green died I mean it's pretty sick I
mean he's he's blaming flicky flicky with the with the Dead tyrheus says he has serial killers for
Role Models this is what he tells Dan and he actually notes four killers in particular and this is Dennis Nielsen
who he says is his hero Jeffrey Dahmer John Wayne Gacy and Eileen warnos for those not familiar
Eileen warnos was an American serial killer who murdered seven men in Florida between the years of 1989 and 1990. she
shot these men at point-blank range Aileen claimed this was in self-defense and that the men had raped her or
attempted to do so alien was a sex worker she was convicted and executed by the state of Florida
this is somebody that we will at some point want to do a profile on episode 8 11. okay John Wayne Gacy
who we covered in episodes well this was way back then episodes 105 and 106. and
for those that listen to those two episodes you will remember Gacy raped tortured and murdered at least 33
teenage boys and young men between the years of 1972 and 1978. Gacy received a much easier death than any of his
victims when he was killed via lethal injection at the Stateville Correctional Center on May 10
1994. his death was confirmed in the middle of the night and actually this is this is a strange thing this is
something I will never forget I remember hearing back in 1994 I had a paper route and I
remember hearing on the news early that morning before anyone else in my family had got up for the day hearing the news
that Gacy had been executed Jeffrey Dahmer who of course is very well known in the True Crime Community
also known as the Milwaukee cannibal or the Milwaukee monster he committed rape murder and dismemberment of 17 men and
boys from 78 to 1991. he ultimately received the old prison Justice and was killed by an inmate on November 28 1994.
these are tyrus's Role Models those are his words yeah well he says hero for one
yeah and with with the Dahmer case uh you were saying that earlier before the murder actually took place in room 309
that they were taking pictures is this uh old-fashioned camera or is it a Polaroid no it was a disposable camera
okay so did they get any evidence off that other than that they can place him in
the room and place them together nothing other than that because the pictures themselves from my
understanding only depict both of them being alive and well before any type of attack occurred right but I also wonder
if he got this from Dahmer because Dahmer would take pictures at the time I think Dharma was using a Polaroid but he
would take pictures of a lot of his victims or he'd even get him to come back to his apartment saying hey come
back I'll take some pictures of you it's it's possible it seems like a weird thing to do and then turn yourself in
yeah there doesn't seem to be yeah but that to me good reason or to be well thought out that I'm going to take
pictures to capture this moment yet I'm not going to view these pictures okay there's one
crime that is similar with Dahmer where he picks up a man takes him back to a hotel and blacks out woke up the guy was
I believe Beat to Death so that's similar to to Dahmer I I wonder if he read about some of these guys fantasies
because like you said the mutilation of the body would be proof of premeditation
if he read about some of these guys fantasies and identified with them well that's why I'm giving a very brief
look at each of these individuals that he named as his so-called Role Models yeah and it look these are people that
tear Hughes likely studied and the last one that we need to go through is Dennis
Nielsen this is the one who he said was his hero now Nielsen was a Scottish serial killer who was convicted of
killing six people but murdered at least 12. it's suspected that he murdered 12 young men between the years of 1978 and
1983. he committed these murders at his home this was at two different addresses
in North London he strangled most of these young men he would then keep the bodies for an extended period of time he
would eventually dissect the bodies and dispose of The Remains by burning them or flushing them down the toilet
tyracuse claims in court that the letters that he sent to Dan zapanski that's giving great detail right on how
he committed the murder and things that he did with the body and how he enjoyed it
he claims in court that these details he found all this information in books that
he found in the the prison library at the jailhouse library and he took details from these different crimes of
some of the killers that we previously mentioned and pieced together this fictional story of what he tells Dan
happened that it's not you can't use those letters to determine that I actually knew what I was doing that it
was in fact premeditated murder and that I am a very very sick and Disturbed individual
you can't use that because it was all some fiction that I came up with in my mind put pen to paper and sent it off to
Dan zupanski to try to tell or to assist him in telling a good story right all of
these killers uh that we mentioned too is interesting that he lists these killers in my opinion and
because they're all big names these killers received a good deal of notoriety for the murders and for the
gruesomeness of the murders that they committed Dan would learn quite a bit about tear
use unfortunately most of what is known about tier use comes from Sydney tier Hughes himself
he has decided what would be learned about him what he would tell people here you spent most of his adult life working
as a chef he moved around quite a bit too remember we said he was from Winnipeg but moved
away he actually lived in Vancouver amongst other places for some time tier Hughes moved back to Winnipeg or
was in the process of doing so at the time of Robin Green's murder he was moving back because he had recently lost
his job as a chef and he was let go or fired and was waiting to get back on his feet
or in the process of doing so in Winnipeg yeah this Royal Albert hotel it was the kind of place where you could
throw down a little money and stay for an extended period of time so I don't know for sure but unlike our victim
Robin green who was simply in town to visit family and party for the holiday tier Hughes was probably there for an
extended stay as he attempted to move back to that area before all of this tear Hughes didn't
have much of a police record maybe not as big of or as lengthy as one as most would think
he did have a conviction for exposing himself to a newspaper boy yeah and here you're just trying to deliver the papers
and uh goo tyrkuse was adopted he was an indigenous person adopted by a white family who lived in Winnipeg Syracuse
would claim abuse but of course there were never any charges to back any of this up he he claims to have been
physically and sexually abused by some of his family members I know some of the details of that I
don't care to go into it because I don't believe that these statements are true these are in my opinion highly suspect
claims unsubstantiated claims of abuse and I actually liken these claims to be similar to those of Arthur shawcross Who
after his eventual capture just seemed to lie about everything including abuse by members of his family right
so it is through this book project that Dan zupanski acquires all of this information from Sydney tier Hughes
about the murder Dan decides this stuff is evidence most of what Dan has of course is from
tier Hughes Tyrus wrote about it himself and sent it to zapanski this is evidence
about the murder about intent of murder and truly a glimpse into the mind of the
killer right and we know that he told the police which I I'm not sure how that works there but when they see him and
and he takes him to the scene of the crime he said they ask how it happened he said well I did it and I chopped him
up with this knife so to me that would be oral confession and then it seems like zupansky's going hey this is a
written confession all right something you wanted to get back to we need to talk about the deal the deal between Dan
and tear used to split the proceeds of this book 70 30. yeah the way that this goes down and I will
really simplify this and make it very vanilla because we don't need to go through every little tiny bit of this
but generally speaking what we have here is Dan supanski is aware of current laws in
place and aware of laws that are in the process of possibly being enacted right there was
to be a law put into place it hadn't passed yet but it was to be put in place so that criminals could not
profit from their crimes much like our son of Sam laws that we have which technically eventually those
were ruled to be unconstitutional but there are still similar laws in place here in the United States that hold up
the general concept of that idea that perpetrators cannot profit from his or her crimes right so Dan knows
that this is in the process of being voted upon and that he's aware that it's going to pass this is not when
when you go and you put this bill I don't even know if they call them bills up there I love when we talk other
countries we know so much it's tough enough to figure out America yeah so well what rounded we are when this bill
is put up or this this act is put into place or to be voted upon Dan is aware that this is the type of situation that
passes it's not something that sits around and waits and there it never passes this is a law that everybody can
easily get behind nobody out walking around in society no normal person wants a murderer to profit from their murder
right they just don't he goes in there with this idea knowing that Terre Hughes thinks he has leverage because tyrkuse
is the man holding the story he's the one holding all the information if he doesn't give that to Dan zupanski he can
give it to somebody else so Dan wants to make it look like hey we're working on this this thing together we're going to
split the proceeds he's also aware that this law is going to pass eventually and
I can flip the table flip the script on tier Hues he's not going to get paid or profit in any way from the information
that he's provided Dan's also very confident that tier Hughes will provide him with information because he seems
eager to talk to someone do you think uh Dan zupanski would look him in the eye and say ha got him a hundred percent
stories all mine creepo maybe now I don't know at the time because there are some complications with that
so Dan zupanski threw his correspondence with murder Sydney Tyrus goes from journalist and author to Star witness in
this whole mess because his correspondence in the work and effort that Dan put in he provides the
prosecution with a detailed and graphic minute-by-minute timeline of the crimes and the murder and then the post-mortem
behavior of the offendum offender right also because tear use is dumb enough to believe that he's communicating with a
quote-unquote friend he also provides his feelings and thoughts and puts pen to paper and writes them down to later
be viewed when trying to determine his punishment for a very brutal and cold-blooded murder right which his
lawyer is probably trying to argue the defense lawyer is probably trying to argue that my client's insane
and and and therefore and he didn't plan this so therefore it should be manslaughter or even less yeah second
degree murder charges back then would you would be facing if convicted a 10 to 25 year sentence
all right keep that in mind as we go through the rest of this within those details are also tier Hughes writing
what he's thinking and feeling as he is dismembering this innocent man and again he talks about the power he
felt during the act and how severed pieces of this body how it turned him on right he felt
powerful Tyrus also believes two far-fetched ideologies that the savagery of this murder is going to bring him
notoriety and money by committing the horrible act itself and then telling this putrid tale with
fanciful descriptions from his writings was even telling Dan what to name the book
or at least providing several suggestions for the title I won't wear those I couldn't find that list and I've seen
that list somewhere in the past we should have reached out to Dan maybe Dan can tweet us or something I've seen that
list before and I could not find it anywhere within this past week or so but Dan if you're listening tweet us the
book itself is called trophy kill and that is one of the suggestions provided to Dan from tear Hughes and Dan had to
testify against Tyrus this is scary stuff this is scary for many reasons we know what tier use is
capable of right we know what he has done that is not in dispute at this trial what is in dispute is was this
premeditated and did he of his own power and of his own control commit this horrible act and murder
we talked about the two for one deal this this is why this makes this super scary right
Dan zupanski has to testify against this guy against the guy that he fooled that
he tricked right the two for one deal states that while you're in jail waiting for your court date you get two for one
time served because of the it's more harsher it's considered to be more harsh by Canadian law while you're waiting for
your trial rather than serving your time in prison so we're going to give you double time for it remember we said if
this thing goes to second degree murder the penalty is 10 to 25 years tier Hughes managed to if he was managed
to get it reduced to second-degree murder or manslaughter which many of these cases do go that
route right right he's going to get a lighter shorter sentence and then right and plus he gets double time for the
time sure right meaning if Sydney tier Hughes gets 12 15 years something like that he's already served
10 years of that okay let me get into that real quick the trial took five years to get to
he sat in jail waiting for a court date for five years that's too long well that's of his own doing right right he's
manipulating the system him and his lawyer claim that he's not getting a proper jury trial that he should get a
jury of his peers and because he's an indigenous person that they should be basically he he wants the peers to be
exactly like him make up a jury of people exactly like me and that's a [ __ ] stain that's not how it works uh we need
a whole jury of [ __ ] stains your honor but think about this if he only gets 10
years we could be talking about parole hearings as soon as this dude is convicted right zapanski Could Be A
Marked Man yeah tier Hughes fortunately his next trophy does not this doesn't work out in his
favor or to the extent that his lawyer was trying to manipulate the system he does get convicted of murder he does
receive that life sentence with possible parole at 25 years foreign cheers mates thanks for joining us in
the garage cheers Captain some things that I wanted to get into before we wrap up today some what I believe to be very
important questions here they come to mind when reviewing this case and questions that I think need to be
discussed for one do you or do the people out there believe that tier Hughes actually killed
for fame and notoriety I could see somebody saying yes because there's some evidence of that I'm going to say no
because I think that's after the fact I think this was more about the thrill and
the power that he would seek afterwards and and possibly these fantasies that he
had that he wanted to carry out because it was so horrendous that I think it was
like a byproduct like he thought well now that this has happened and now that I've possibly could spend my whole life
in prison how could I profit off this or how can I make something of myself yeah
I don't know that he killed for fame or notoriety I'm I'm kind of with you on that a little bit in the
sense that maybe he figured there's no way of getting out of this and we've already
stated he says serial killers were his role models maybe he saw some of the fame and
notoriety that they received from their crimes and thought well if I'm gonna have to do the time at
least maybe I make myself a somewhat of a name right now if in fact he did I'm not gonna I don't know that I would go
as far to say that he didn't I I really feel on the fence regarding that question and that is a big question that
comes up in this case but if Tyrus did in fact kill for fame and notoriety look we already know he would not have
been the only person to ever do so I'm Luca Magnotta killed and dismembered Lin June and there's no doubt that he did
that for what he presumed to be Fame he he did receive International notoriety not so much for the murder but because
he packaged and mailed off the hands and feet of the victim to elementary schools
into political party headquarters and because of the video he released on the internet depicting the murder scene
I'm sure there are probably plenty more but Luca of course is is the one that first comes to mind also though I think
there's also evidence against that he did it for fame because if he's telling these people later that hey these were
my heroes these serial killers well as far as we know this is his only kill and so I think if it was like oh well if
I kill somebody and I do it in such a horrific manner I can keep killing and I'll have to keep killing and keep
doing so in a horrific manner just like my quote-unquote heroes right but I think the thing when we talk about
somebody like Luca magnata is he set it up in a way that he would be able to kill one person and receive
that same notoriety be the be lumped in with some of the worst of the worst but having only killed one right but you
bring up uh my other question which is an interesting one to ponder is tier use possibly a serial killer what what do
you think the chances are that he has killed before this I mean this is pretty gruesome stuff here even by serial
killer standards so making it somewhat difficult to believe that this is tear hughes's first go at homicide yeah I
think because of his small criminal history one you can say well this is possibly the first one and he also
confessed to it pretty quickly it's almost like once he came to or claims to come to is when he goes oh I must have
did this and I need to tell somebody and but it's so horrific that's the evidence
that you go well this person has the ability to have done this before yeah and it appears that he
has the fascination to have done this before yeah that this is some kind of fantasy that he
eventually lived out or maybe it's one that he has in fact lived out in a different manner once or twice or three
times before the thing is with this case you're not going to find another one that is
identical to this post-mortem Behavior by the offender right but the confession that you reference is
really truly the first thing that makes I believe would make one say no he's not
done this before because he in fact did turn himself in but well it seemed like he couldn't stop confessing
somewhat I mean here's the thing the confession I think when we see behaviors of other individuals maybe we
take that away and say okay that is not a 100 indicator that he is not in fact killed before because we have seen
scenarios some like that of Ed Kemper I mean he killed and killed and killed and
oddly enough he dismembered corpses too but then one day he turned himself in right
then you have someone like Wayne Adam Ford dubbed the remorseful serial killer also out in California just like Kemper
Ford killed Four Women and then one day just walks into a police station with a severed breast in his pocket for
Effective proof mind you and confesses to being a serial killer now some believe that this man may have
killed more but only telling the police about the ones that he wanted to leaving
out some of the kills and confessing to others and all of this for one reason or
another and unfortunately Ford if in fact he did kill more than four only he would know the reasons why
he would confess to some but not others usually Captain what I have always looked for in this type of scenario when
we talk about confessed killers and why they would confess to some but not others is the obvious and in our great
country some states have a possible penalty of death right for one's crimes and others do not that
making sense why someone might confess to a murderer in one state but choose to leave out a murder that they've done in
another state and we've also talked about shame and of course it's hard to believe that
someone capable of murdering multiple individuals would have any form of shame but it seems that they do we know this
from someone like Ted Bundy who was a partially Confessor of his crimes right and his
confessions he hinted at and made reference to acts of necrophilia but never outright admitted to it
and we know that on February 9 1978 Ted abducted and killed 12 year old Kimberly
Leach but that wasn't a crime he was willing to confess to right but I think it goes back to what you're saying
before is while they the the selfish reason of well I'm not going to admit to killing somebody in this state because
I'd get the death penalty but I also think they admit they omit any killings of children because they
know that could mean the death penalty for them in jail because we we have seen uh time and time
again that people that have committed crimes against children they get punished well
in the situation with Sydney tier Hughes is just this he was hoping that because he claims to be
all drugged up and intoxicated that he's going to get a second degree murder charge or a manslaughter charge and this
will not this doesn't mean he's spending life in prison or that he's spending 25 years in
prison so if I walk into a what I believe to be police department and tell them I woke up and found some guy
chopped up in my hotel room I must have killed him right that plays to me hopefully getting second degree murder
charges or manslaughter charges now if I say within that same sit-down meeting oh by the way I also did this in
Vancouver and I also did this in Edmonton I did it in you know any other place right but by the way I blacked out
in all those cases it's going to make it seem like now we're talking about a premeditated murder hands down right and
that his defense is not that he didn't kill this man his defense is that he was not of his own
control thus light severely lessening the sentence that he would receive and by the way maybe I'm going to receive a
little bit of notoriety a little bit of Fame and a little bit of money along the
way while I sit here and and wait to be released back to the public yeah it's really a tricky thing the thing
with tear Hughes too I'm I would be curious to know more about why and when he chose to
pack everything up and move to a different city I'm curious what is the actual reasons
and the why and the how of him moving back to Winnipeg and him moving from Vancouver if you're a chef in Canada
Vancouver it from my understanding or Toronto is where you want to be he was in Vancouver at one time that's the
place he's going to make the most money that's going to be the most opportunity and the most jobs for somebody of that
profession right is there an unsolved crime that he possibly would fit the bill for yeah did it get too hot in the
kitchen he decided to run too hot in the hot tub dancing pansky was a volunteer journalist a wannabe true crime author
this story picked him and I'm glad that it did Dan zupanski received a lot of extremely unwarranted criticism for his
efforts to get to the truth and to present the truth to the public the public that would be just as afraid
as Dan was if they just took the time to educate and understand the true gravity
of this situation and the dangers that someone liked here Hughes presents to any society that chooses to allow him to
live in that Society I said volunteer journalists and I said want to be true crime author and I said
that with extreme respect to Dan Dan didn't go to school to be a journalist and later when his book title trophy
kill came out he was then criticized by people in that profession saying Dan is not a true journalist a journalist is
someone who collects writes and shares information with the public Dan is every bit of a real and true journalist and
one very big giant step above those that critiqued him and above and better than those who just
push fluff pieces for a paycheck right Dan is a journalist with Integrity a man that cares about the truth and that
worked his butt off on this tear use Robin green case getting the story straight from the mouth of the monster
and then provided that truth to the public he truly performed a real Act of Public Service here so
I just don't understand the the criticism [Music] [Music] I want to thank everybody for sharing
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garage.com and click on the recommended page you will see a lot of recommendations from two guys in a
garage listed right there for you this week we are recommending of course trophy kill the shall we dance murder
the trial and Revelations of a psychopathic Killer by our good friend long time friend of the show Dan
zupanski check that out on our website yeah Dan zupansky the king of True Crime until next week everybody be good be
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Brief Summary

Sydney Tyrus's murder case reveals his fascination with serial killers and graphic confessions, complicating his legal defense.

Key points

True Crime Garage Introduction. Hosts welcome listeners and introduce the episode's theme.
Tyrus's Lawyer. Accused killer Sydney Tyrus gets an experienced lawyer for his defense.
The Book Deal. Tyrus and his lawyer agree to write a book about the case.
Tyrus's Confession. Tyrus shares graphic details about the murder in letters to his lawyer.
Tyrus's Role Models. Tyrus reveals his admiration for notorious serial killers.
The Jury of His Peers. The defendant insists on having a jury made up of people just like him.

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Discussion about Tyrus's letters regarding the murder.

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