Mysterious Death of Ellen Greenberg /// Part 3 | Forensic Files

n [Music] do you believe that there was strangulation yes to Medical certainty to reasonable great medical certainty
she was strangled yeah I would I testify in the court of law I've said in my reports do you think there's any signs
of abuse before for the death I'm concerned about that yes and the reason I'm concerned about that is the bruises
to the wrists obviously the strangulation but there's extens of bruises to the lower legs what is that
about where does she get that she's not a kickboxer she's not in karate that I know of she looks like a typical nice
girl you know very feminine looking um how' she get those bruises down there and Brian enton joins me live now
with this remarkable story that he has doggedly pursued um were you surprised by these findings I mean this
pathologist really really thinks that this was staged you know I was surprised by what
he has uncovered he's been working the case for 10 years uh Ashley he says it is staged that this whole scene was
staged and that he has the evidence to prove it that perhaps Ellen Greenberg didn't even die from the stab wounds
this is a highly respected forensic pathologist he does autopsies four different counties here in Pennsylvania
was hired by the greenbergs he's done 14,000 autopsies overall he says he has never seen anything like what happened
to Ellen Greenberg and all of this craziness uh that has gone on for the last 14 years listen to what he says
about it being staged when I look at the scene first thing I notice when I look at it I think
synthetically is oh my goodness this scene is staged how do I know it's staged because I see her back up against
the cabinets in the kitchen her arms are down by her side the left arm hand is holding onto a towel there's no blood on
the towel there's no blood on her hand there's blood to the back of her left hand to the right are her glasses now
obviously she's not sitting there stabbing herself and then wiping herself with the towel why does she have a towel
there and there's no blood on the base left hand she didn't use her left hand obviously to to stab herself and there's
a tow in there why would she have a tow in her hand if she's going to be stabbing herself and there's no blood in
it well she you didn't somebody else put it there it's staged he says the clean towel Ashley
doesn't make any sense he he believes it came from the bathroom he's frustrated that there was no luminol testing done
there was no testing by police done in the bathroom he showed me photos in the bathroom all of her stuff was packed up
her makeup bag was packed up her cell phone was sitting right on top of her bag he believes perhaps she was packing
up to leave when all of this went down he showed me the sink by the way the kitchen sink in the sink there was a pot
scrubber and there was a sponge and there were two knives none of that was tested he said uh so he's frustrated by
the whole thing I'm frustrated but I'm angry I'm just angry at the sheer stupidity and
the laziness or whatever else was a foot here the doctor was really great in terms of demonstrating how absolutely
asinine a a finding of suicide was what did he say yeah I mean you call it asinine and
now you know the big uh civil case that was supposed to happen in the courthouse
behind me this week the city of Philadelphia settled they settled and let's not forget the medical examiner
who did the autopsy has now said it was not a suicide so everybody seems to be agreeing um in that way at this point uh
but this is the way he explained in terms of all those stab wounds 20 stab wounds to the front of the back of the
body if you're going to call this a suicide not a homicide that somehow she gets she stands up or leans
over stabbing myself oh I get to get blood drops down there blood drops get down there oh not my hand sorry I use
the left hand shouldn't have done that just the right blood drops and then she falls to the ground she's on it
and everything else boot turns to the side oh excuse me let me stab myself again and drop the blood on the side
does that make any sense no no of course not right but that's what you're suggesting I mean you're not suggesting
so there's blood drops there they're coming straight down too and there's hair here I mean why the
heck's there hair in between here what's that from now what happens is when you get hair like this sometimes the person
is defending themselves and literally the victim actually pulls their hair out but
the other times the as salent is pulling the hair out either way you got hair here in the middle does that make any
sense to anybody of course not [Music] good news for the greenbergs after years of battling after
years of push back after years of not really getting much help from the people that should be helping them they finally
got their daughter's death the ruling on that the manner of her death to be re-evaluated so February 2nd of 20125
the greenbergs reached a settlement with the city the short of it is they were suing the city suing the medical
examiner's office that they had come to the wrong answer that they got their daughter's death wrong they had to be
taken to court to prove that there is cause to reopen this evaluation and reopen an
investigation I don't know what the it it sounds like even though a judge ruled on on their
behalf and even though they were pushing that this was a settlement with the city
which has agreed to pay an undisclosed amount of money but the big win here this is all they were really after is
Additionally the medical examiner's office will re-evaluate Ellen's manner of death Josh and Sandy consider
Osborne's verification so Osborne was one of the medical examiners Marlin Osborne and what they're saying is based
off of Osborne's verification quote to us it means that we've accomplished our role that Ellen did not commit suicide
here you have the original pathologist finally after 14 years after Ellen's death and five years after of
litigation acknowledging that her manner of death should not be suicide but should be deemed something else that is
from the Greenberg's family attorney 14 years after her death 5 years of litigation to get to where we are
absolutely crazy now let's see where this goes because again I keep coming back the most frustrating part to me is
it looks like somebody made an error along the way and then nobody bothered to correct it and then one error led to
another and to another right you you see this with the start of it I don't think
and I know I'm harping on the detectives here but that's that's really the tip of
the iceberg this is where it started right and had they just busted their butts and
got it right in the beginning and look does yours truly get it right every time I flip on the microphone absolutely no I
I gath they're human beings I can sympathize with everybody out there listening I can sympathize with you
being a human being sometimes it sucks and we're imperfect they had a job to do there was more heads there than just one
there were more shoulders there than just two that should have lightened the load a little bit and I think the errors
really started becoming blatantly obvious when the police department tells the property manager of the apartment
complex it's okay to let people into the apartment it's not considered a crime scat I have in front of me Captain if
you will humor me I put together a little exercise that I would like to do with you here
today where it's simply I wrote down some of the pros and cons so let's define that first a pro on my list is
things to me that point towards suicide being accurate the cons would be that no
this is not accurate with a suicide I also have a list of items that I I left for up in the middle is what I titled it
because I think that they're open to interpretation yeah if you want me to humor you or I mean I could tell you a
couple knock knock jokes maybe a a man walks into a bar or I could TI will you your
choice how about we we work on my list first and then we'll we'll start there so first off let's start let's examine
the conside because I think that that is there's a lot of that is just obvious right to to every person out there they
know already a lot of the reasons why you would look at this and go it's not a suicide so the first being the number of
wounds 20 we can agree on that that typically doesn't point to suicide the location of the
wounds would not Point toward suicide let me just add the amount of wounds and where the wounds are is not disputed in
any of the medical examinations correct the severity of the wounds might be disputed right the what it the effect
that it had on Ellen's body may be disputed right we talked about the postmortem we also talked about if the
spinal cord was damaged would it incapacitate her that to me those seem like less certainties that I I think
that we should still I still put question marks next to both of those items but when we're viewing the portion
of my list that suggests that this that says yes this this points towards suicide I want to point out something
that is not discussed very much in this case which I think is an oversight on everybody's part this is not an argument
of was it suicide or not it's not that simple it's your list has to keep in mind that if it's not suicide it is a
homicide right so you you must have things that don't you can't just simply say it is a homicide because because I
don't think I see things that are indicative of a suicide you also have to see evidence of an actual homicide as
well so the things that really concerned me the new meds we know that she's on new medication we know that by her
communication with her family we know that she was prescribed some what I described as narcotics I think that I
think that they are technically labeled as such I know for kopen at one time you
had to have like a stamped sealed it wasn't it wasn't just a note from your doctor or where they call it in they
they had to give me something like special certificate here in the state of Ohio to get that so we know she's on new
medication and I want to point this out this is the scary thing about medication
anybody out there that thinks you can just take a pill and your problem will go away whether it be a physical ailment
emotional mental what have you that's not true I wish that that were true it's not true and to carry that a step
further where my area of concern is with some of these medications all of our bodies are
different all of our chemistry is slightly different we do not know how person a and person B are not going to
react 1,000% the same to every medication out there they just aren't so I do always have concern in any of these
cases when a person is taking new medication medication that is new to them and look this is described as a
combination of medication another item for me Captain that might Point toward suicide is we do know that regardless of
who searched for What on 's computer we do know that her family and friends were
concerned about her well-being at this time leading up to her death this one frightens me this one frightens me to
even think about it because I think of people closest to me and and how concerned I would be for them if I had
witnessed this when she is out with her friend and they are looking for dresses that's supposed to be a happy time some
of my favorite times have been spent with my friends when she breaks down and cries in that
moment that is terrifying to me because I've unfortunately in my life suicide is not
something that is completely foreign to me and not completely foreign to my family and one sign of obvious concern
that I have with individuals is if I experience somebody uncontrollably crying in a in a in a
situation that doesn't warrant a breakdown like that like when a person is so that their emotions and
feelings and thoughts are so out of their control that they do this it whenever I experience that or if I were
to experience that going forward with anybody that I knew I would be raising the flag like you wouldn't believe
because that to me is I think is something that I can't explain it it it gives me great concern it gives me great
concern but on this point of just proving or just saying that it's not a suicide because of this item or that
item or this detail or that detail you actually have to prove to me that it's a homicide as well so one big question I
have here Captain is where's all the blood where on our number one suspect If This Were a homicide Sam
Goldberg where is the blood right when when police showed up at the scene did they did they check the washer and dryer
to see if anything had been recently washed right did they check the trash can to see if anything had been thrown
away clothing I'm sure I I hope that they did I don't think that they bungled this so badly that that they didn't take
those steps yeah but did they do test where they test the drains he could have easily took a shower did he discard of
anything at any place other in the building right did he pull like an OJ where he took a little bag with them and
and conveniently put it in a trash can that wasn't on his property did he cuz if she were attacked and killed I would
expect to find blood on this individual on the person that killed her either on their person or on their clothing if if
he is responsible was he able to to discard of those items to where it wasn't obvious for for the police to
look for I have concern because I have concern of their investigation within the four walls of that apartment I
should have concern of their investigation outside of the Four Walls of that apartment was the building properly
searched were people properly interviewed and why did it take so long for one Department to communicate to
another department that no the security man didn't go up stairs with Sam because
they seem to put a lot of weight in the thought that went up there well this investigation puts a lot of weight into
Sam's statements to them at first they're looking at this as a possible homicide but based on what the boyfriend
Sam which would be our number one suspect or Person of Interest they then say well based on what he told us we're
leaning more towards suicide but then once you find out that one of his statements is not
true then the question becomes did was it just a mistake did he just tell you the wrong information because
it's a mistake because this is a tragic and traumatic situation that he was in or was he telling you a fib and if he
was telling you a fib what else has he told you or what other statements have he told you that are also lies I don't
understand why her purse cell phone and laptop needed to be collected by an attorney that is essentially
representing Sam a day after this death there are reasons to explain that they're not good
enough I don't care there's not good enough for me and and a large part of that is had this been deemed a a crime
scene it should have been left as a crime scene minimum 48 hours right at least get one more look inside of there
because you might have miss something and and and look they clearly did miss a lot of things here regardless if this is
a suicide or a homicide and then as far as blood evidence goes this is a a sticking point for me okay
okay I worry that the investigation wasn't thorough because they didn't have a full
understanding of the victim and the wounds at the time before she was removed remember let's go back to the
911 call let's pretend for a moment that we can say with complete confidence that
Sam experienced this horrible horrific experience of losing somebody that he loved dearly and found her in their
apartment in that scenario he clearly does not know what wounds she has on her person other than what's obvious to him
as he's observing her while on the phone with 911 what does he say to the dispatch to the 911 operator he says I
think maybe she hit her head so again if he's innocent and he's describing what he his eyes are telling him to the
person on the phone he doesn't know what injuries she truly has and then he's encouraged to perform CPR so she says
the operator tells Sam take off remove the shirt so you can perform CPR he starts to do so and then he says oh my
God there's a knife or he says something to the effect of there's there's a knife
in her chest you think he would have saw that knife before then that's what I'm getting at
if he were perfectly innocent and he is describing the body as he's viewing it or let's pretend that he's guilty and he
decides in the moment you know what it's probably a good idea to describe what I'm seeing it as I'm seeing it because
they might be able to prove otherwise later if the knife wasn't obvious to him if he couldn't see the knife if he
thought that she had suffered some kind of head wound what I'm getting at here is you've seen the diagrams have been
put together about her injuries and where they were inflicted on her body if detectives get to the scene and they
only believe that she has these wounds to the front of her if that's all they can view in the moment part of that's on
them for not doing a a full examination but if they can't see that big head wound if they can't see all those little
stab wounds to the back of the neck what I'm getting at here here Captain is if those detectives go into that crime
scene and leave the scene with the belief that oh she was stabbed like three times or four times don't you
think that lends itself more to them thinking well we don't need to be looking for a whole lot of blood here
this certainly looks like a suicide but had all of those investigators been told
prior to entering the room this poor girl in here she's got 21 she's got 20 stab wounds to her body right just that
number alone I would think that even if you were bad at your job you would be conducting that investigation very
differently right out the gate and I just wonder how many of these 20 stab wounds are weren't obvious to any to not
just a lay person but to police Personnel well within 48 Hours of the investigation you would think that they
would have the 911 call the recording of it and you would know based on the the medical examination and your personal
experience could you see a head wound I mean she had very dark hair I I would almost argue it would be difficult to
see a head wound and then again the lack of blood it always goes back to well if if
her heart wasn't beating when she was being stabbed then there would be a lack of blood evidence well true but the
statement and again and I I know I've already said we can't put a lot of weight into the findings but the claim
is that if any of the wounds were committed or yes committed postmortem it was one they only cite one some of the
statements that they give makes it sound like the door is open still for possibility of more than one postmortem
wound but I could only find definitive statements of one so if that if we are to believe that then we we know that the
other 19 were not there was blood flow during the other 19 or for the majority of that 19 so I again we do see a good
amount of blood at the scene I I don't know I really thought that the the that big head wound to the back of the head
that to me looked like something different uh from pictures again I'm only seeing pictures right but I just I
don't see a way that somebody kills her and then is able to be interacting with individuals very
quick you know relatively quickly afterward and seen on surveillance footage and we don't have any blood now
that's not to say that it went overlooked that's not to say that um he wasn't slippery enough that he figured
out how to lock the door behind him and figured out how to get rid of a few items because he if if it went down if
he if he killed her and then went to the gym who's to say he didn't kill her 30 minutes before he went to the gym or or
within that hour there's like an hour more than an hour where his cell phone isn't active and it's believed that they
were both in the apartment at the same time so how much time did he have to manipulate the scene manipulate the body
conceal and Destroy evidence and I would really want to know a lot more about the relationship
between him and his cousin why you know even if it's his best friend it seems like a strange call to
be making in the moment and oh by the way the cousin's father his Uncle Sam's uncle is an attorney and from what I've
heard a pretty good one and then they're over there collecting things from the crime scene
very quickly I mean it makes sense that he he should have a suit I mean his fiance's been uh just passed and there's
going to be some kind of service so a suit is not an unreasonable request but then you wonder what what would have
happened differently had police said well yes we can get a he can get a suit but we will accompany him into the scene
into the apartment or he can he can give us instruction and we will go and and retrieve the suit for him I'm not going
to go as far to say that this office of the Court went as far to openly get rid of evidence or conceal evidence I I'm
not willing to to go that far I I don't know what kind of attorney he is I'm not
saying that there's no attorney out there that wouldn't break the rules I believe most of them to play by the
rules but there's so many question marks and again it really comes down to the very simple fact of I do think that with
the right amount of smarts somebody could rig that door and really his Alibi is the lock on that door like you said
earlier Captain I don't think it's impossible for somebody to lock that door behind them I know he could do it
because I've done it myself look if you've listened to hundreds of episodes of True Crime garage you should now know
that if the captain says he can do it anybody could do it yeah that specific lock you're saying on you've done it on
one that that looks very similar yeah I'm not saying that I've done it on on that apartment itself right so let's
let's let me describe this so it would be like a you have this latch and you would turn it right you would you would
turn it toward the door to the left and the latch is in this scenario this lock is basically two metal pieces that the
two metal arms that connect at the end and when you put it move it over to the left it covers up and it it encases that
bolt or that metal ball and then when the door is open it doesn't matter if there's any other lock on the door
because that would take effect first if somebody tried to open up the door if there's any other lock that lock would
prevent them from opening the door before this lock even comes into play now if they get past any other lock or
the door is not locked with any other mechanism then what would happen is a person could open the door and then this
ball catches onto the metal and eventually you can't move the door anymore and you really can only move the
door what would you say captain an inch and a half maybe three inches at the most yeah I mean it it acts similar like
you were saying before to like a chain on on a door correct but also when you have now your lawyer your representative
going to collect your suit which again that's that makes a lot of sense and it it somewhat makes sense to me that you'd
take both laptops if you didn't know which one was your clients I'm going to take both of them or Hell we'll take the
whole apartment because we've been told by police it's not a crime scene right and that's a mistake by law enforcement
but it's also a mistake why didn't law enforcement take her cell phone because to me if he states that he is gone right
a couple things let's say he takes her cell phone with him well then we would have movement on that cell phone so if
that cell phone tracked all the way to the gym then we would know that this boyfriend somehow took her phone and
went to the gym so then when he's texting her we know that those are [ __ ] texts so then we' know that
he's lying about the security guard we know he's lying about the text therefore he's basically lying about everything so
my other question then for law enforcement is why haven't you given this phone back to the family and is
there any digital forensics that we could do to have a better understanding of what happened that day or is there a
way to prove and if it depends on the outfit that's doing the investigation because
everybody's we've talked about this very recently with the park bench murders case the cracking of these
phones what is would there be any indicators to people that have this expertise to be able to point to things
and go well this suggests that something was scrubbed from the phone this is an indicator that something was deleted and
buried on the phone and we can't retrieve it because if there's activity that goes
beyond what what we believe that we have here now that we can review now then it
starts to tell us that maybe something else actually happened and that maybe there was something that led up to this
explosion what that would tell us I don't think it's suggestive of either outcome
because I would expect to see something but but either way either if she did this to herself or if she was attacked
it was a frenzied attack it was a frenzied violent suicide it could have all happened very quickly but I got to
believe it's reactionary either one it's a it's a very difficult case and I'm a little
worried and I'm worried Captain because I was really excited when I saw that the
greenbergs finally got what they deserve that this this case was mishandled and so
who who be it for them to tell me that my daughter committed suicide when it looks to me like you've not handled this
properly all along and then the other thing this is another part that's really aggravating is it seems to be based off
of court documents and filings and protocol that the medical examiner off office put a lot of weight in the
idea that the security man and I I know that that's a really dumb term but that's that's how he's referred to in a
lot of these different tellings of the story so we'll stick with that that the security man was present with Sam when
he broke down the door it sounds like the medical examiner's office put a lot of weight in that fact now we later
learn based off of Philip Hon's statement that he did not as Sam up to the sixth floor he was not
present when the door was busted in fact police there is evidence surveillance footage of Sam going up to the sixth
floor by himself unaccompanied he's in the elevator all by himself one really aggravating part of this is we can sit
here and go well we we're concerned about what they didn't collect at the at the scene what they
didn't collect at the building what work was not done but one thing that we can say is when that footage of Sam going up
to the sixth floor by himself when they found that footage they didn't find it at the apartment complex they found the
police had that so we know they collected that we know that for all these years they knew that he went up
there by himself well how the hell does the right arm not know what the hell the
left arm is doing why was so much weight put into that to begin with and then second of all it it seems to me like
everybody was everybody that had a hand in this being ruled a suicide simply thought 100% that there's no way for
that door to be locked other than from locking it from the inside [Music] [Applause]
[Music] are you confused yet or are you leaning one way or or another well you should
let us know at true Crim garage.com cheers to you Colonel talk hands in the air I think the big
question for me at the start is just simply could somebody do this to themselves is this a type of suicide
that we see we hear about people shooting themselves or overdosing but this is not a common manner of suicide
so I think that's the first thing that you have to wrap your head around if you're thinking this is a suicide and I
and I think with all the communication with her family and friends that if it would have been a overdose or or some
other manner that I think the family would understand that could see signs you know it's it's always after the fact
that people will see more signs obviously but I think the manner in which this took place this tragic
event it just doesn't make a lot of logical sense to most people and I think that's the you know the big red flag but
I also can't get past the idea that within within a couple hours you're going to be getting the statements from
the boyfriend you're going to be getting the statements from the security guard and when those statements don't line up
why the my question if I'm law enforcement is why why don't they line up MH did he misspeak or did he lie and
if he lied what what is the reason for that and again then it's don't clean up the crime scene give me a few days and
that doesn't mean you have to go back multiple times to the crime scene it it could dis simply be let me collect all
the evidence let me review all the evidence and to and to see if there's any thing if there's any necessary
reason to go back into that apartment but here's the problem they didn't even do that correctly they didn't collect
her cell phone they didn't they didn't collect the computers and they should have done that immediately whether they
were leaning towards suicide or not they should again it's like a broken record investigate it as a homicide
until you figure out it's not a homicide and and most departments will behave that way most investigators are taught
to conduct their protocols and their investigation as such now I will say something in defense of the detectives
here we talked about this in our Pendleton quadruple homicide case one thing that we pointed out that the
detectives did great was a good call on their end was that when they arrived on the
scene at the this horrific scene four people dead in the same residence they recognized right away that every person
that lived in that dwelling is now deceased none of them can give me the detective permission to
take anything from the scene in fact I don't I I mean I can start looking around but
but if I want all of this to hold up in court what I need to do here is I need to get the proper channels and get a
search War so I can start looking through everything at the scene and pull things out of here Philadelphia PD did
do this in this situation they did the same thing they didn't pull out a bunch of items and I don't blame them for not
doing so I I and I know what you're saying here Captain I you're not saying that they never were going to collect
these items that's not the error they made you're you're not saying that they not
collecting them that night was was the error that they made because we know they wanted to collect these items and
they were going to do it properly and get the search warrant we know that because they did get a search warrant
and they executed that search warrant the following day the major screwup is when they allowed other people back into
that scene because those people removed things that were on their list of items that they wanted to collect and I
believe that these items were in the possession of schwarzman or and or Sam Goldberg for
approximately two days before they made their way to police as part of that search War one part where I really
struggle in this case too is the number of wounds because there's so much of me man that says there's no way I I think
that at some point 20 wounds is too many that she wouldn't have been able to do all of that that I do agree with the
thought that maybe at some point she would have get been incapacitated to the point where she couldn't continue to
harm herself I agree I feel so strongly about that but at the same time I can review a case that we that we know all
the facts of with an individual like Arty Lang from the Howard Stern Show he chugged a bottle of bleach and
stabbed himself in the stomach nine times and slit his wrist so he was able to do all that and thankfully his mother
finds him and he's rushed off to the hospital and they're able to save his life but I mean to me when I'm when I'm
really trying to analyze this and we're we're already behind the eightball here Captain because we're not doctors we're
not Pathologists we have to we have to rely on these experts and oh by the way we have different experts
telling us different findings in this one particular case I I tell everybody you know if you got a buddy that's
bitching and complaining like oh man I got $4,500 to get my truck fixed what's wrong with it this that and the other
thing did you get a second opinion no no no but they're bitching and complaining
about the $4,500 right like you friend don't know Vehicles why would you just believe
blindly believe this one person take it and get a second opinion before you shell out 4,500 bucks you might find the
next mechanic whether he's he or she's better or worse at their job than the previous one might come up with an
entirely different diagnosis that has a different price tag on it and that to me
seems like the situation that we have here in this case where it's get a second opinion and that one's different
it's a strange and unfortunate case because regardless there's no way to feel good about any type of winning in
this case if you're right that it's a suicide this poor family has suffered in disbelief for all these years and spent
a lot of their time and effort to to change the ruling if it was suicide poor young man
Sam Goldberg lost somebody very near and dear to him and this young lady was suffering so terribly that she did this
to herself even if you can prove that that doesn't feel good but if you can prove the
reverse I maybe it feels worse it's there's just like no winning in this case and and it's really I'm I'm happy
for the Goldbergs because they did finally get the outcome that they wanted the outcome that I think is correct and
that this case needs to be re-evaluated it needs to be reinvestigated I feel good problem
becomes time though yes and that's what I'm saying I'm worried that it took so long to get this one part of the
investigation changed do you have any confidence that it's that that they're going to be able
to see this thing through and F and if she if they do say it was absolutely a homicide that they'll end up with
charging somebody I just don't feel good about it in any way at all yeah the three questions that kept ringing in my
mind was one is it even possible to commit suicide in this manner to what actions of the boyfriend
were the most concerning and then three now what now with this reverse is there any chance of us getting
answers I hate when people say well the family deserves closure the answers might not lead towards
closure but will they even get answers and I just because of the time the passing of time I just think that's
going to be impossible and to make sure that we do a good job of cleaning our plates here today I know that they'll be
a person or two out there that will say you guys didn't even evaluate the 911 call look the 911 call sounds weird to
me does that mean anything no I I frankly I think that the majority of 911 calls they all seem for one another
reason for one reason or another sound weird to me the person making the call sounds weird to me at different
parts I do feel like he some of it is a put on I don't but again I don't know how I would react in in that situation
finding a person the way that he says that he found her and so I don't put a lot of effort into analyzing the 911
call but I'm glad that we played it at the top of our coverage of this case because it is it tells you right away
that the level of mystery that that is going to be seen throughout this case it really sets the stage for the
strangeness and uncertainty that that come with this case where I said that I feel not good earlier I will say that I
do feel good about this that I do think that everything is heading in the right direction the direction that it should
have been going in a long time ago as far as Samuel Goldberg goes one question that a lot of people have when they
review this case is well 14 years after her death 5 years of litigation to get this far in the case well where is Sam
Goldberg now and I can only tell you what the internet tells me but for my understanding Captain he is lives a
private life he has a wife he has a family he's works as a TV producer I think CNN said that he's
credited with some lesser known small films I've also seen people suggest that at some point he was a producer on some
Sports show but that's as much as we know about Sam Goldberg today and we've had much more eyes on the greenbergs
throughout this whole process as they've been openly fighting to get this changed
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Mysterious Death of Ellen Greenberg /// Part 3

Episode: 825

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This week we join in the ongoing discussions being had across the nation about the perplexing Ellen Greenberg case. Ellen died after sustaining twenty knife wounds. Surprisingly her death was ruled a suicide. But her parents, Josh and Sandee did not agree with the ruling and so they fought for their daughter. The Greenberg’s went on a litigation battle against the Philadelphia Medical Examiner’s office and have been fighting for their daughter for fourteen years. What really happened in that apartment?

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Brief Summary

Ellen Greenberg's death is re-evaluated as staged, not suicide, amid family legal battles and investigative failures.

Key points

Pathologist Claims Scene Was Staged. A forensic pathologist asserts that Ellen Greenberg's death scene was manipulated, raising serious questions.
Greenbergs Win Settlement After 14 Years. After years of battling, the Greenbergs finally get a re-evaluation of their daughter's death ruling.
Investigation Flaws Under Scrutiny. Concerns arise over the thoroughness of the investigation into Ellen's death.
The Complexity of the Case. The investigation raises questions about the timeline and evidence collection.
The Call for Re-evaluation. The Goldbergs finally got the outcome they wanted, but time is a concern.
Keeping Our Girls Safe Initiative. True Crime Garage commits beer fund donations to support a nonprofit for women's safety.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Why does she have a towel there?

Questioning the evidence at the crime scene.

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Tension

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