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[Music] independent this week marks the 53rd anniversary of the assassination of our
35th President John Fitzgerald Kennedy he was shot and murdered in Dallas Texas at the young age of
46 now we're not here to talk about that today but I'm sure we're going to end up
talking about it at some point yeah at some point but we're going to have to spend like half a year talking about
that well it it's this time of year and it happens every year where you start seeing you know On A and E and uh all
the the the documentary style channels that we start seeing things coming out oh new information about the JFK
assassination and oh this has been uncovered and now we're going to show you uh a different documentary that's
actually the same one you watched last year we just changed it a uh so we have this every year in the
late November just before Thanksgiving we are reminded of what took place in Dallas Texas back in the uh 60s and3
we're reminded year after year after year um and this has been a a huge topic of much debate ever since that day in
Dallas Texas um but today we are here to talk about Mary pincho Meyer Mary pincho
was born October 14th 1920 in New York City New York uh she attended and graduated
Vasser college she went on to meet cord Meyer Jr in 1944 cord had served in the United States Marine Corps during World
War II MH and he was a bit of a war hero but as a young man he seemed to be more
of a peace lover of someone that didn't really believe in war and it seems that maybe the Japanese attack on Pearl
Harbor had changed him and that is when he decided to sign up for the Marines he
fought in the Pacific War and he saw plenty of action he was wounded in War uh losing his left eye due to a grenade
attack uh for this cord was awarded the bronze star and a Purple Heart cord and Mary were married in April of
1945 and they would have three children all boys after the war cord began a career in writing and he was writing for
the the Atlantic Monthly and he penned a couple of books as well even winning an
award for his efforts well this war um World War II was different than a lot of the wars that were're involved in now
and you know we stayed out of the war for so long um and it it was you know we were United as a country for the you
know the majority of people really understood why we're fighting World War II well and this is why they when went
on to become the greatest Generation you don't think like maybe the Millennials will be better uh than them no who who
knows maybe hopefully yes I mean if this was the greatest Generation ideally you
want our country to keep getting better and people as a whole to get better so you know let's let's uh step it up a
little bit people um but uh going back to this the story here so while he's while he's working as an author and he
would eventually apply for a position with the Central Intelligence a agency the CIA M uh now cord is he's an ideal
candidate back then in the 50s for a position in the CIA right he's a decorated war hero he's very smart he's
an Ivy Leaguer um he's the kind of people that they wanted to fill their offices with and fill these positions
with uh Court of course gets the job and the Myers pick up and they move to Washington DC you're making it sound a
little simpler than it was I mean yeah he applied for this position but there's no I he essentially was working for the
CIA for a amount of time um they don't know how how long yeah there there's some discrepancy on when he actually
officially started working for the CIA yeah so it's not as simple as well this guy applied for the CIA and then
therefore now he's working for the CIA no at some point he was working for the CIA and then at some point the CIA made
that official well as with the CIA wouldn't you I mean I fully believe that they fully disclose everything right
there's no there's no mystery there so yeah of course we don't know exactly when he started but they when he
officially started they moved to Washington DC and they are now the Myers are living near a very busy road and in
1954 the family dog was crossing this busy Street and was struck and killed by a car now the strange foreshadowing here
is that just two years later in 1956 the same would be the fate of cord and Mary's middle son 9-year-old Michael
Michael was returning home with his older brother this was late in the year uh December 18th in
1956 now this is the time of the year when you know it's very dark it gets very dark early and this was a busy
street and it was not well lit most likely the driver never saw the young boy racing across the street uh little
Michael was killed pretty much instantly now Mary was notified by her o by her eldest son uh who and then she run she
runs to the scene of the accident and this kind of shows me what kind of person Mary was Mary gets to the scene
and while she's there she Comforts the driver of the vehicle that hit her boy well this is it's interesting too
because um one a lot of people would say well man there's conspiracy already happening right we got a we have a CIA
official son you know hit by by a car and dies and would show some evidence of oh well maybe this is a conspiracy right
mhm but there doesn't look that way you see what I'm saying No this this appears to be completely an accident um
and and you know as we said it's not something that um when I say the word accident I don't say that lightly
because we saw just two years before the the dog is hit on the same street roughly about the same time a year so
there this is a street where maybe the only conspiracy is why isn't there street lights uhhuh well I mean it's
also the 50s right so I mean it's a different time than didn't have street lights on every
street but I think this is very telling of who Mary pincho Meyer was um you know
when I had heard about this case many years ago but didn't really you know sometimes when you hear about these
cases or or read something on something and you don't really dive into it it's hard to identify with the the people as
people and you know once I got to dive into this case I got to see really who she was you know and she was a very she
was very smart charismatic and an affectionate person as well um she was an she was an artist and she was a
socialite very very involved in the um uh the different Social Circles of the time and very up to date on her uh ideas
and beliefs um about where the world was heading and and what direction our uh government in our country should be
heading well she was a lady you know um before her time you know she was you're exactly right you know she was uh you
know not the typical a lot look a lot of um they they talk about this a lot in in
the 50s you know women After High School or if they did go to college which a lot
of them wouldn't go but they would get a job but that job was just a placeholder
until they found a man and then they got married and then they would stay at home
and raise their kids that was the norm mhm this was not the norm for uh Mary at all you know she she would get a job
that she would dive into and make it into a career uh going from a bunch of different facets in her life now there
was some trouble going on in the marriage even before the death of their son um and there was you know we
can I don't know how much you want to get into rumors but it it sounds like when they first got married when they
first when cord and Mary first met one another that they probably shared a lot of the same ideals and and a lot of the
same thoughts on things we just mentioned about the direction of the world and and where our government and
our our nation should be helping to lead in that direction um she was a big uh peace lover um and had no problem
expressing that with with most now I said there were some trouble in the marriage and um it seems like that cord
once he he had been working for the CIA for a while he became I don't know how much of a drinker he was beforehand but
but the stuff that I've been reading is saying that that he was kind of changing
a bit uh that that he was drinking more and more and of course the death of the child did not help this situation at all
no no um before any of yeah cuz the percentage of people that can stay together after loss of a child is is
very low mhm and uh rightfully so right yeah but yeah so now you have this guy you know the death of his
son um but that's probably Weighing on her too but now he's in the CIA and now what is he learning in the CIA and how
much is that affecting you know his um mental makeup and he had been involved in uh something called operation Mocking
Bird uh um now it's unclear to me whether he was kind of the um the speculation is that he was the he was
the head of it he spearheaded this thing like we see the work that you're doing you're doing a good job and therefore we
want you to uh spearhead this operation yeah and he had a bit of notoriety for being in charge of this
operation or spearheaded Okay so let's talk about whater Mocking Bird yeah yeah because I
mean it doesn't matter hey he spearheaded this nobody cares unless there's some you know some uh it's this
is a weird operation yeah so B here's the gist of it right okay so from my understanding that what the CIA was
doing was they were getting in the pockets of people that were working in different areas for different newspapers
and this way when a story would come about they might have an opportunity to skew it uh in the direction that they
would like uh especially if they wanted something to put the CIA into a good light or or have a good ring about it so
to say um and this may have even carried over to uh to radio and eventually TV as well
I'm assuming uh one doesn't really know one being me the extent of this operation and how far it carried um I
wonder you know you definitely know it was happening in Washington DC and it was probably happening in other major
areas that being New York Chicago La things of that nature all right so but let's let's make this clear clear okay
so one of the big conspiracies that people talk about these days mhm is this whole Illuminati right people talk about
the Illuminati and one of one of the things that people talk mostly about the Illuminati is that they are controlling
media and that they will also control arts and things of that nature and the overall idea uh is that if we put out
all this dumb garbage that you'll be so consumed with dumb garbage we're not putting out this idea that you need to
be a thinker that you need to dive into things you need to be an intellect you need to care what's going on and
therefore if you don't really give a [ __ ] what's going on and you're just stuck on your phone all day that the
government can do whatever the hell it wants to do and then that and the other governments can do whatever the hell
they want to do and a lot of people will say well this idea is completely crazy right but now in the 50s we have this
operation called operation Mockingbird and here's what it was you know to simplest
forms it was a plan to influence domestic and foreign media so to influence domestic and foreign media
whatever level that is um but see see how there's you would have some weight to the the conspiracy of today going all
the way back to the 50s well and the thing we got to point out here too is this operation Mockingbird was not this
is not a theory this happened this this absolutely happened we don't know the extent of it um and you know the
conspiracy theorists can can run with that as much as they like but again this this did happen this was taking place
and and you're exactly right you know it's it's the old thought that you know if you can control speech you can
control thought and you know what if we can if we can change these stories and manipulate them any way that we choose
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having some issues beforeand and um Mary had confided in cord that she had gone outside of the
marriage um it's rumored that Court had as well but there's no hard evidence of that uh but regardless the death of his
his son and this problem with their marriage did not help his his drinking at all and he he basically became kind
of a mean bitter drunk um and what would end up happening is that they would get
a divorce in 1958 cord believed that you know there's some uh journals that he kept and he had wrote in there that he
thought that maybe the the death of their son this might reunite them so to speak that they they might you know need
to to team up uh to get each other through this tragic event um that ended up not being the case just divorcing two
years after the death of their son well like I mean I want to put some emphasis on the idea that you know Mary was ahead
of her time she she wasn't going to be uh uh some lady or some female just to get married and to be her husband's
sidekick she was not interested in that at least that's what it looks like from the out Outsiders point of
view now it should be noted here that in 1954 the kennedies John Fitzgerald and his wife uh and one day first lady
Jackie Kennedy they buy the house next door to the Meyers this is again in 1954 before the Myers divorced in
1958 now this is where we get into an issue of of how big the story could be I mean
it's a big story with lots of layers right now on the surface it has been reported that Mary pincho meire and
Jackie Kennedy were friends and that they even took walks together mhm it's possible and maybe they took some walks
together but the more I kept digging it sounds to me like they were not friends maybe they were friendly to one another
but they were probably simply just acquaintances right after Mary's divorce Mary still had possession of the house
for some time and she rented the home to a young woman who was having an affair with Mr John Kennedy uh and it's hard to
put an exact date on it okay so they get a divorce the the Myers right yeah and she keeps the house that is next to
JFK and then she rents it out to a lady yeah and a single lady mhm and we don't know who that lady is uh I don't
have the lady's name but a little backstory on that is that the that Jack Kennedy had
approached Mary and asked her if if they could rent the home now this was going to be to somebody that would fill the
role of some form of secretary I don't know if she was a secretary to uh to JN F Kennedy but I I believe she may have
been a secretary to Jackie actually okay and now this young woman much younger than uh Jack Kennedy at the time uh she
she was working for them in some capacity and she was also having an affair with him right um so Mary was was
aware of uh the things going on in and out of the Kennedy marriage there are plenty of rumors uh
on both sides and when I say both sides I mean Mary and her Social Circle as well as JFK and his Social Circle that
um that JFK was pursuing Mary well it seemed like JFK just sleeped with everybody uh yeah actually he is my
father no um but he so it it's no allegedly allegedly uh and I'm going to run for
office next year I mean he he just seems like the biggest [ __ ] of all time yeah
he he was he was um it's tough for me because I've always I I think he was a I look you're like I looked up to him he's
a [ __ ] no I think he was I think he was uh had the had the makings to be a great
leader uh but probably was not a great man outside of the office no [ __ ] I mean
he was definitely not a good husband he's a all right well let's we we all know about JFK and what he was doing but
but there's plenty of rumor to that we can back up that he was pursuing Mary and he had an interest in her and she
didn't she may not it's unclear if she was willing in the early you know in the early por of this but at some point and
this would be in the year of 1961 um there's plenty of evidence to to support that an affair between Mary and
JFK had started sometime in the year of 1961 now at this point obviously JFK is the president of the United States MH
but and there's speculation on both sides I mean cuz this was what was so difficult to for me is trying to figure
out I mean it was just kind of like um his side said oh yeah we think something was going on and some people that knew
her believe it was going on I don't know how much evidence there is to prove that uh you know well if there there are
a few pictures that show them together which doesn't mean that right it doesn't show them having sex it shows them
hanging out to me this is just my gut feeling on the situation was this was a lady that was ahead ahead of her time
and this was a lady um that had not you know all ladies had at that time thoughts of their own but most women
weren't capable of speaking them or or wanting to speak them um and she was and she was this
freethinker uh artist type thinking outside the box uh some kind of revolutionary ideas and I think that was
attractive to him and I think she was like n you don't get what you want you know you might get these other girls but
you don't get me yeah and that that's my gut feeling is that he was pursuing her
and she's going eh not so much and I think you're exactly right I think that would be the appeal I mean not only is
she very attractive but she is she's somebody that is as smart as every man in the room you know or smarter and and
the other thing too just like you had said she was ahead of her time you know a lot of times when there's trouble in a
marriage back in the ' 50s and 60s mhm the woman the wife would usually wait around and wait for the man to divorce
her that was not the situation in in this case everything that I could find sound like she was the one that decided
hey this is when you know we're getting a divorce this marriage is not working for either of us and we're going to get
a divorce I'm the one calling this to action and in fact she had actually taken a trip to Europe I don't know if
it was for several weeks or for a month but she went off to Europe um with with the thought that you know what my
marriage sucks and so I'm either going to go I'm either going to go to Europe and I'm going to have a good time and
I'm going to get away from my husband sounds like a good time and I'm going to come back and when I come back I'm going
to know whether I want to remain in this marriage or not it's that that I need some time by myself to figure this thing
out and when she came back she's decided you know what it's not working we're we're getting a divorce which again and
I don't mean to harp on the this uh Point too much but in 2016 that's not that crazy of a idea I'm going to go to
Europe for a little bit clear my head see if I want to stay in this marriage but in the ' 50s that seems like a
pretty crazy idea you know yeah yeah and I mean it shows her personality it shows
her intelligence and to me it you know she did have she was a woman of means though you know she had she had um the
ability to do some of these things I'm I'm you know sure that most people whether it be men or woman would not
have had that opportunity back then or even today um but it does show that she is ahead of her time and again the
appeal that that you know cord Meyer was a in his own right a powerful man yeah you know he was he's this is not just
some you know some low-level dude that that she married you know he's he's a war hero he's a celebrated war hero he's
he's was an author and he had a high ranking job in the CIA but I know there's some debate about yeah he's the
original Carl but um yeah yeah and you would think that you there would be a lot of appeal uh
for women to want to be around this guy too a war hero uh and in in the CIA tons
of power money power and that goes back to why I think that she might not have been friends with Jackie Kennedy and my
whole thought on this is that you know time and time again when I am reviewing Mary's personality she seems to be
someone to me of a person of Standards high standards as well as uh you know morals and moral values you know we see
we see her comforting the person that accidentally killed her her her young child um and I believe that she may have
just known Jackie Kennedy that that that she would not have had this affair with
JFK had she actually been friends with Jackie you know some of the little Snippets that you will read about that's
that's a weird thought though well she's okay with having Affair but she's not okay with well having an affair if she's
friends with the with the wife but the only reason why I bring that up is because when you first glance at this
case if you just bring up a quick little snippet about it the the first thing they say in in in every article is sh
her and Jackie were friends like they they go out of their way to bring that up very early in the story and what I'm
getting at is when you dive into it further and you review it as a whole it doesn't really appear that she was
friends with Jackie Kennedy it appears like she was friends with jonath Kennedy yeah yeah yeah but it it's weird though
to me because it well actually there's actually proof that she's maybe not friends but she trying to influence the
women uh of the of the people of power the men of power in Washington she's trying to influence their wives or their
women or their Mistresses uh she talks and we'll talk about uh to miny Larry um later but so there is some kind of proof
of that but and maybe I'm dead wrong and maybe there's like some solid proof uh of this affair between uh her and her
and John but to me it seems like this is a guy that's pursuing her and she's saying no Noh constantly no and again I
could be dead wrong on that well but here's okay so there what is the proof of the affair because you know I don't I
don't want to go into this case wondering if that is you know is that the major topic of discussion no that's
that's not the major topic of discussion is her murder and and why that took place yeah and who did it yeah yeah cuz
at the end of the day we have this beautiful lady intelligent lady ahead of of her time connected to people of power
connected to the president she's connected to uh drug experimentation she's connected to the CIA and this lady
goes for a walk and she ends up dead we'll get to that obviously yeah but but it's unsolved to this
day right and I think this is where we address the the affair you know we we talked about the back and forth of it
however you know what is some evidence of this is this just is this just her saying that she slept with the president
no it's it's you know through through Decades of since the assassination there's been many authors come out with
books talking about this affair and the first time that we see this kind of come
and presented to the masses is in 1976 now this was a national inquire article right and now everybody's going oh my
God Nick just said that this is true because the national inquire reported on however nobody likes you anyways right
right but we got to keep in mind that the uh the article this is where this is how this thing gets out to the masses
okay um the Meyers cord and Mary Meyer were both friends with James truet and an truit now who are they well James
Truitt was a well-known uh writer for the Washington Post Yeah and and like we said cord Meyer wrote some articles
before and I believe that James Truitt either penned the article that would later be in the National inquire or he
he was the subject of the article um now maybe the source yeah and TR it what had
happened after um the death of JFK TR on occasion had gotten drunk in public and he okay and he he would kind
of spout off at the mouth about this affair that had been going on between JFK and uh Mary pincho Meer right and
and so the other thing here is that that's not just the only evidence you know because that's pretty much hearsay
but there's a lot of hearsay and what that is is we see many people in her Social Circles that say that this affair
took place and we even see people in JFK's Social Circles that say that this affair took place there are references
uh to Jack having said things to to other men of power in the White House you know about how fond he was of Mary
and how Mary might be a person that would be hard to live with because she was so forward
thinking yeah um and there's also could you imagine the fear of the 1950s male you know can't can't have a woman with a
opinion you know how hard that would be you know how hard that would be to live with I come on well and the other thing
is there there is evidence once JFK was in the white house why because we have the Secret Service involved who has to
monitor the president and his movements and in his visitors and what we see time
and time again in the beginning uh there was there was a visitor that was always
labeled as you know this would be for dinner parties or for visits to the White House to see the president
sometimes in closed doors and this would be David Powers Plus One well Mary pincho Meer was the plus one um and the
the the thing they did there was it was trying to give the illusion to whoever may be monitoring the situation that
David Powers was the actual visitor and his plus one was his date right um where
actually what we would see later and this is all recorded by the Secret Service that
eventually the plus one didn't drop off from David Powers visits eventually David Powers dropped off from the plus
On's visits and we would just start seeing Mary Meyer or Mary pincho at at this time now visiting the president on
her own what do you think David felt when they're like hey you don't need to show up anymore or or was he the guy
that said you know what I'm not I can't keep driving her around for your booty calls and I'm just sitting outside here
the door outside the door looking at my watch he's probably just Y and he's screaming at the White House JFK you
dirty [ __ ] well and I think I think at the beginning a lot of these visits were
for dinner parties or for dinners where you would typically have a um but you know we see over azen
visits uh in the short time that JFK was in the white house where Mary pincho was
a visitor to see JFK yeah so to further the speculation and actually more importantly to further the weight uh to
to provide uh validation to the this affair rumor yeah between Mary Meyer and JFK even even earlier this year we saw
better proof of that right there was a an unsent letter that was discovered yeah so in June of this year uh it was
auctioned off for just under $89,000 that's a lot of rolling papers that is that is a lot of a cheda for a
unsent letter yeah and so this how does this come about this was this was uh stored by JFK secretary in a in a safe
somewhere um and it was never sent to Mary pincho but uh it was thought to be written for her yeah so the idea was
roughly about a month before JFK's assassination in 1963 uh he wrote this letter uh it was
on um president letterhead or White House letterhead uh that letter that the letterhead was actually cut off they
believe that like um you know if he'd sent a private message and he didn't want like some backtrack right you know
we can't backtrack it to him now a lot of people then speculate well okay one why wasn't it sent CU it was never sent
um and was it actually from uh John F Kennedy they did a wa Watermark test based on his pen uh I think they had the
like old school like dipping pins or the fountain pins or and so they could tell
that it was his Watermark which was interesting so let's just dive into this letter a little bit okay so this is what
it reads so it's a four page note basically yeah yeah it's not not super long and some have deemed this as a
almost begging letter to mistress right so why don't you read read what what is believed that JFK wrote and if you look
this up on the Internet I'll try to post pictures on Instagram about this and and
you can find those on the website as well uh just so you can see it it is I could not like I had to look up a
transcription of this because it was so hard to read I mean Not only was he a dirty [ __ ] but I mean he couldn't his
penmanship was awful um okay so it says uh why don't you leave Suburbia for once come and see me or maybe I should
read it like this be like bar white uh okay why don't uh why don't you leave Suburbia for once
come and see me either here or at the cape uh next week or in Boston the 19th I know it is unwise rational and that
you may hate it on the other hand you may not and I will love it you say it is good for me not to get what I want after
all these years you should give me a more loving answer than that why don't you just say
yes now some people say it's a love letter and he just he just signed it J with the letter j yo
J well and it could be a love letter I mean there the not only the thought was that there was this affair between the
two of them sounds like a very insensitive love letter if it's a love letter it was not like you know you
smell so good I love your hair yeah but I like to cuddle with you but again let's think of Mary's personality I like
to be big spoon if you'd be little spoon do you think Mary would even bother with
a with a person that would write things like that I think that she I don't know I think you have a better chance than
riding that dog [ __ ] well he's just asking her to come and visit him no basically what he's saying is like look
I know you might not like it I know it's unwise and irrational but it's a booty letter that's all it is come see me
here's an option here's an option I'm not going to put that much time time and effort I am going to put two paragraphs
on four pages what do you think that is if you have you have two paragraphs and you put it on four
pages it's because you had nothing to say and so you wanted to put four you see what I'm saying mhm like I have
nothing to say to you so to make it seem like it's more important I put it on more pages I write bigger what do you
think think it was maybe it was just going to be a one note I think he was drunk I think he was drunk and thinking
man that that Mary Meer she is she is so sexy with her thoughts and opinions but
again regardless of your opinion of it being a booty letter or whatever it it there is thought there that with this
affair that this was not just an affair for JFK you know we knew he had many trist and many things outside of the uh
many indiscretions outside of his marriage and but the thought was by his friends by the people that knew him best
um that that this was somebody that he actually had a an emotional relationship with well and look that might be the
case I'm just saying that that letter has no proof of that there's not like I love you it doesn't there's no nothing
complimentary in the letter right nothing at all there's not one thing that's complimentary I can agree with
that but again I think I think there are some things to point out that he may have been he may have been in love with
her in some fashion more so than you know where these some of these other Affairs were just yeah but that's what
I'm that's that's what I'm saying so frustrating about history in general or cases in general is when they go well he
he loved her okay where's the proof well we got this love letter and then you read the love letter and it's not a love
letter that's that's my problem with it well where's the proof oh well his friend said so and then we got this love
letter it's not a love letter it's like I said there is nothing remotely complimentary there at all I agree but
what I'm saying is that the the the level of their relationship is important to Mary's story to to her murder because
the the thought is that if there if her murder was some kind of conspiracy right
that she would have had to just been something more than a flank that that she would have for for an organization
or a group of people to conspire to murder her and cover it up it's because she had to have known something that
that others didn't and you talked about how how big of a of a [ __ ] JFK was let's say right so so then there should
be women dropping Dead all over the United States if if there if there's not something more right but I think that's
I I think that kind of talk and that kind of speculation is very dismissive to who Mary Meyer was it's dismissive to
say well if there is a conspiracy if there is something more to her murder that she had to be in love with JFK or
JFK had to be in love with her and it could have just been a fling or something that happened when she was
drunken that maybe she didn't want when she was sober look so I think that minimalizes her here here here's what it
was she is married to a CIA right high high official in CIA project Maring uh Mockingbird lives next to
JFK is and then and we're not even talking about the Timothy lry stuff I think she knew a bunch of people
in the Inner Circle oh without a doubt and she was a woman of power so that that's all the The Conspiracy Theory you
need to know so the the fact if if JFK was in love love with her does not define her story you know you see what
I'm saying no but it adds chapters to her story no yeah I get that but the thing I but what I'm saying is if that
we just assume like all I'm saying is maybe they had a fair who cares if they're in love it doesn't matter you
know the fact the facts are that this person Mary Meyer knew a bunch of people of power she was trying to influence
other people with her ideas this President is assassinated tons of conspiracy there a year
later right about a year later the warrant commission comes out has their findings and a couple
weeks later this lady is murdered mhm all I'm saying is that minimizes her as a person if it's like oh well we we have
to we have to prove that he loved her or something to make her story valuable no but we we don't have to prove that he
loved her what we what we have to prove is that whether or not her murder was just a just a random act of violence
right that we see every day in the newspapers or if it was a something organized and put together by a a group
of people and if it were to be that the second that she would have had to have known something known somebody or said
something that would would have that cause and effect um and and you're right though
you you did you did lead on to something there that I like maybe maybe her death
wasn't an attempt to cover up something she knew from JFK maybe it was an attempt to cover up something she knew
about the CIA from things that she knew from being married to somebody in the CIA right but we we should get into um
the day of her death now this is um October 12th 1964 now at the time Mary had she had
moved on she wasn't living in the home that that was you know formerly next to the Kennedy's old home um and she was
working as an artist and she had a studio and she would typically go in and do her work do her Studio work and she
would leave around lunchtime around noon every day and she would take a take a somewhat lengthy walk
and this was you know if the weather was good she did this every day yeah she's primarily a painter mhm so she goes out
for her walk and this is on near the uh Chesapeake in Ohio Canal um and there's a toe path down there and she would go
down there for her walk and she's still in Washington DC mhm and around um noon time this is around noon time but to
tell the story prop properly we have to introduce a new character now this is Henry Wiggins Henry Wiggins
is a tow truck driver and Henry Wiggins has an assistant his name is Bill branch
and the two of them are called to the 4300 block of Canal Road and they are going there to fix a stalled vehicle
this is a Nash Rambler they arrive approximately at 12:20 p.m. again this is Monday October 12 1964 now less than
one minute after they arrive Henry Wiggins he hears the screams of a woman and he hears these for approximately he
says 20 seconds now is it just are the screams saying anything or is it just you know yeah I he he says that he had
heard uh you know someone help me please help me something of that nature right and so he decides to run towards the
danger right uh he he hears these screams for about 20 seconds which is followed by a gun shot okay now
approximately 10 to 20 seconds later this is while Henry Wiggins is running toward Canal he's Crossing Canal Road
and he's running toward um where he's hearing these screams in The Gunshot so 10 or 20 seconds after the first gunshot
he hears a second gunshot at this point Wiggins approaches what what has been referred to as the
lower wall and he gets up on this wall and he peers over and what what he says he sees is he sees an African-American
man standing over what appears to be the dead body of a woman uhhuh and he identifies um the you know the clothing
that he sees this African American man wearing he says that he sees the man wearing a dark um I want to say ball cap
but it's wearing a dark hat with a light colored beige um long sleeve jacket and dark pants and dark shoes M um well
this is 64 to so ball caps would be less likely yeah right yeah I just always call them ball caps right um but uh this
is a you know hat with a with a bill good job good job thanks and uh he says that he sees this man standing over
the dead body of a woman now he says that the band doesn't seem to be like you know he he doesn't seem to be doing
anything other than standing there the man's arms are down to his sides right and no gun in the hand or anything he
says that he saw something dark in the man's hand right but and the man turns and looks at him now at this point Henry
Wiggins is a little more than 100 feet away from from the man and from the body okay and he sees Henry Wiggins and he
doesn't like take off in a Sprint he just kind of briskly walks away um and at this point Henry Wiggins he
he gets down because he's he's worried now that the man has seen him and he may come after him um so it's it's phoned in
that uh that there has been an attack and very quickly within minutes the the police department arrive on the scene
and they are quick to close off the the exits and entrances to this toe path you
would have to take uh you know sets of stairs to get down there there and they they block off all of these entrances
and exits and during the course of this time they have sent out the description of the man that they are looking for
they are looking for an African-American man wearing a do dark hat dark trousers
and a and a light colored jacket so this is within just about 10 minutes to 15 minutes of the of when the
gunshots are originally heard now the police are searching the area and they've they've supposedly got
it all blocked off right and so if the Killer is still in the area he's got no room to escape he he's he's trapped and
they're going to find him they're going to find him if he's still there yeah yeah well they they locate a man uh
approximately a little after 1:00 this is might even be closer to 115 they locate a man who is matching the
description somewhat of the man that they are looking for the man that they see is a African-American man he has um
similar clothes that was described in the call now the man approaches the police officer the crazy thing here is
though this man is soaking wet uh I guess it's not that crazy because they are near the water right but I mean he's
he's soaking wet to the point of when the the officer asked the man to identify himself he says that I am Ray
Crump and not only that he pulls out his wallet to produce his identification and
when he does that the the officer sees water noticeably dripping from the man's wallet I mean he was he was soaked yeah
and why is he soaked uh well that's that's what the police want to know the other thing here too is the officer
notices that the man's zipper on his pants is down or his fly is open um now here's the thing they ask him where he
is you know where he was and what he's been doing um for the past hour and he he says that I that he was fishing yeah
and he had he was falling asleep on one of the rocks and because he was down there drinking and fishing and at some
point he had fallen asleep and fallen into the water and now the officer asked him you know where where is your fishing
gear you know where's your rod and reel and your tackle box and he says well I don't have any of that because all of
that fell into the water as well and I was not able to to retrieve that and the main look you could go fishing with just
a pole so the the main thing is my pole is in the water right and the officer does he ask the uh man to take him to
where he was fishing so that he could help him retrieve the fishing rod they go down to the Rock and and Ray
Crump says you know this is where I was and um you know this is where i' had fallen in and they look and they don't
see any obvious signs of a fishing rod um the man is arrested yeah well I think I think the
cop was going hey show me this spot show me where you fell in the water cuz that's pretty odd and keep in mind he's
being arrested because you know one his story isn't matching it isn't adding up to the
officer first of all and second of all he matches the description of the man that they were looking for now at this
point though he is minus he is minus a coat he he's minus the jacket and minus a hat um so they arrest this Mr Crump
and the the thing here though is this is where we immediately start to see some discrepancies and the description of the
man that they went looking for right and the man that they have in custody well and the man they're looking for we don't
know if that is the killer we just were looking for the guy that the tow tuck the tow truck
driver um saw standing over Mary's body yes and in a more complete description of the man that that uh Henry Wiggins
had seen standing over the dead woman's body is he had seen an African-American man uh between the height of 5'8 and 5'
10 in tall approximately 185 lbs wearing a dark plaid cap Light Beige jacket dark
trousers and dark shoes now Ray Crump according to his driver's license or to his identification is 5' 32 in and he
weighs 130 lb soaking wet 5' 3 5' 3 and2 in that's a tiny man mhm um when he is arrested they do note
that he uh they list him at 5'5 and2 in apparently he was wearing um shoes that he was wearing lifts basically like so
he would appear to be of a more uh normal height let's say um and he would he may have been closer to 140 lb at
that time so police believe that they have their man right and the coroner report is going to note that the the
dead body the dead woman that was found near the toe path was that of Mary pincho and she had been shot twice she'd
been shot once in the head and once in the back now the thing about the the shot that went in her back was that it
was angled out a way that it pretty much severed her uh aorta and she was she had
been killed practically instantly you know so she's not you know you heard the screams she's
attacked she's shot according to Henry Wigan she's shot within 10 seconds or 20 seconds of of each shot and you know
she's not able to provide the police with anything once they arrive because she's already passed after arresting Mr
Crump the the police continue to search the area um they are now looking for his
dark cap and his jacket uh they are able to locate items that match the these descriptions um however what they're not
able to find is a gun right uh and they never would recover a gun they would spend lots of time and lots of effort
down there looking for the murder weapon this is never retrieved yeah the where do they find these you know
where do they find the cap and the jacket do they say where yeah um I believe one of the items I believe it
was the jacket they were looking for in the water right um and Crumpet said that
he had lost it in the water or assumed that it had gone into the water and that was located in the water um now the cap
I believe was found on on the ground and it was found um not near the actual murder scene uh but it was found uh
closer to where he had said that he he he was fishing right now they did they did a hair sample to determine that this
was in fact his cap so he was wearing a hat that day um and this jacket was most
likely his um the the thing here is though there's no gun found right and one thing that the police did not do is
they did not conduct any tests to determine if Crump had fired a a gun that day um the reason being is they are
saying that that was not necessary because when they found him he's soaking wet um and this this would make the the
test appear to be negative regardless of the actual truth um yeah uh they should
have done the test you're exactly right because because they even found that if you uh you know even if you shower even
if you you know use soap and all that stuff that it normally this test still is positive if you shot a gun that day
and you're exactly right and that's why they should have conducted the test because you know the masses know
generally now more about how these procedures work and and the things that you should do when when a crime is
committed and when you're investigating it I think back then it might have been a little easier to kind of just tell
well we didn't do this because of this and the the general public may not know any better to question it again uh but
you're exactly right there have been plenty of people that have suggested and and said that you know we found that
even after someone has fired a gun they could wash their hands a dozen times yeah and we're still able to detect the
firing of a weapon about 24 hours after the crime was committed and after the arrest of Ray Crump Jr a man uh
identifying himself as Army Lieutenant William Mitchell goes to the police this is October 13 1964 he goes to the police
and he says that he was running he was a jogger and he would normally take a run
and he had run past Mary Meyer uh on the CNO Canal path top path in Georgetown this is just a short time before her
murder uh he claims that he had seen an African-American man matching the description of Ray Crump Jr who had
already been arrested the day before uh that this man was following Mary um this
this would add to um the the police already you know this would bolster their speculation that Ray Crump Jr was
in fact guilty of of the death of Mary pincho Meer right what do we have here Captain we have we have a a woman age 43
2 days before her birthday on October 12th 194 beautiful lady that's right respected woman mother artist she goes
out takes a break from work as she nor normally would do every day of the week and go for a long walk maybe to catch
some fresh air or some inspiration for her art and during that that walk she is attacked she's shot twice uh according
to the coroner report she's drugg about 25 ft well she dies in dies instantly and dies instantly um shot in the head
shot in the back dies instantly and the police block off the area after receiving the call from uh the tow truck
driver and now they are pursuing an African-American man they locate this man named Ray Crump junor who is he's
wet right he's wet soggy dog his flies undone his his story does not match up he's saying that he got drunk while he
was fishing alone fell asleep on the rocks and fell into the water um now we have him in custody and we have um a man
that comes for saying that he saw Crump or a man matching crump's uh description
following Mary Meyer just shortly before her death now this is a murder case that
would go on to be covered by many different people uh time and time again uh for decades and well her connection
with the president but also with her connection with the higher ups in Washington and not not
only that her strange murder and the you know if if that's where if that where this story left off then or I mean if
that's where this story ended right here this story wouldn't have been uh covered
by so many different people for years there's a lot more to this and what's going to come out in the trial is very
interesting you're going You're Going to Hear reasons why the prosecution say that Ray Crump Jr is guilty and there
are some Curious reasons why he might just be innocent of this crime all right we'll cover that in part two do we have
a recommended reading we do have a recommended reading let me dig through my notes here this week's recommended
reading we have Mary's Mosaic uh this is the cia's conspiracy to murder John F Kennedy Mary pincho Meyer and their
vision for World Peace this is by Peter Janney uh and this was originally published in 2012 so it's pretty fresh
stuff uh but there has been a more updated version which does include new evidence and neverbe seen government
documents to further corroborate this The Conspiracy to assassinate JFK and Mary pincho Meyer and Peter Janney
actually knew uh Mary Meer uh he was friends with um with her son that was killed in the car accident um so very
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In the 60's there was little doubt that America was changing. The debate has always been and remains, who was in charge of those changes. Mary Pinchot Meyer, a divorced smart woman in her forties with ties to the CIA and the White House is just one of several that may have been silenced in that era of change and social growth. October 12, 1964 Mary went out for her usual midday stroll to get some fresh and air and maybe a little inspiration. While out walking near the C & O canal Mary was attacked. She was shot twice, died practically instantly and left for someone to find. Police make an arrest and the trial is set. But do they have the right guy? Or was Mary killed by some shadowy agency because of an affair with the late President Kennedy and because she "knew too much." This week in the garage we take a look at the unsolved murder of Mary Pinchot Meyer and find out what we know.

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Mary Pinchot Meyer, linked to JFK, was murdered in 1964, raising conspiracy theories about her death and CIA connections.

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