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[Music] crime you know being a killer is this far this it's a step about this far from
aggravated Robert you know what I mean killing somebody yeah but I heard this wasn't
just killing somebody you know what I'm saying I heard this wasn't just running up to him
shooting him and leaveing you know what I'm saying no so this is somebody this is a killer this is a killer you know
what I'm saying this is a bad [ __ ] person you know whoever did this is is do you think whoever did this went there
with the intent to kill somebody or do you think they were there looking for something and something went bad it went
too far it depends what story is true it depends if if the story that I heard true what did you hear I heard that they
um what I hear all the details about that I've heard they got shot in the back of the head I heard they got
strangled I heard they got Lisa's fingernails got ripped off I heard um yeah I heard all Lisa's fingernails were
ripped off they tortured her I heard her head was almost severed off I heard they
got one shot in the back I heard a whole bunch of different stories you know I mean if they really pulled
her fings off and almost severed her head off they were coming there to kill him you know what I'm saying they
weren't coming there all right what if I tell you that her fingernails weren't torn off and her heads wasn't head
wasn't severed [ __ ] so that's [ __ ] well I'm not saying anything I'm saying what and
why they did they get shot or did they get suffocated you know what I'm saying well the what the the coroner already
reported how they died in the paper died of a asphixiation that's that's yeah I heard yeah right yeah [ __ ] so did you
hear anything about anybody getting shot well when it first happened I heard they
got execution style in the back of the head you know what I'm saying that's what that's the first story I
[Music] heard autopsies are performed on both of our victims young adults 21-year-old
Johnny Clark 20-year-old Lisa strob the autopsies Captain were conducted by a doctor Pandy he's a deputy coroner and
forensic pathologist with the Lucas County coroner's office the doctor notes their injuries
and describes the manner in which the two had been bound he declares the cause of death for both victims to be exfix
due to strangulation and Suffocation but he is not able to confirm a specific time of death nor the order in which
they died evidence is also collected from items of clothing that is worn by our two victims and of note Captain we
have DNA that is found on Johnny's sweatpants Pandy states that Lisa's toxicology report showed that she had
therapeutic levels of vicadin and peret in her system while Johnny's toxicology report showed he had minute levels of
perco in his system and the presence of marijuana in his urine there are sources
out there several that report that both were known to have been casual and recreational drug users this throws a
whole another wrench into our set of circumstances here and trying to determine who is responsible for killing
these two young individuals yeah because that could become a motive and just to be clear to the listeners the the clip
that you guys heard in the trailer today was a a clip from an interrogation of Anthony
Watson that's correct and he is basically telling law enforcement about a lot of the rumors that he heard and
obviously in a very small town that is connected to a larger City there's going to be a lot of rumors when it comes to
a double homicide yeah and he's for my understanding Captain he's a little older than Johnny and may have been an
associate of Johnny's he's a bit of a thug or at least has a very even violent at times police
background he does seem we've watched the entirety of that interview and he does seem rather forthcoming with the
detective now I don't want to go as far to say that he is a sus suspect or or not a suspect in my opinion what I do
know is he was a suspect in the opinions of the police detectives well again when
you have a autopsy that shows that these individuals were drug users that creates
a whole another level of possible motives you know is because people that do use drugs sometimes purchase large
amounts of drugs and so then when you have a situation where you have evidence or possible evidence that
somebody goes into this house and kills these two individuals but is clearly looking for something clearly and that's
that becomes another issue for the investigation because as we touched on yesterday and talked about there was
that rumor that was going around within some of the Social Circles that Johnny had either bragged that there was a a
safe in the stob family home that may have contained large amounts of cash right and then the other version of that
same rumor is that the stobs had a lot of money okay so look if we're going to bring drugs into this I want to be clear
about something here and this you you can test this Theory all day and night if you want come at me if you will but
here's the deal when drug addicts are involved they a lot of them some of them the violent ones
will do anything and go by any means necessary to get those drugs drugs take top priority for some
of these individuals over money number one and right number one and number two priority for that type of
look we're not talking about everybody we're not talking about all drug addicts we're talking about a very specific
small sample size of these individuals violent individuals most of them with police backgrounds with a record with a
History of Violence those individuals what we're talking about here is priority number one and just like the
captain pointed out priority over your life and my life priority number one is drugs yeah priority number two is money
why is money priority number two because they can get drugs they're going to use
it to get drugs and how do we know that priority number two is money because they always trade money for drugs so the
thing here is now you got to wonder if they are recreational users do we have a couple of other possible motives one did
somebody believe that they could find a large quantity of drugs inside the home I don't think that there's anything in
Johnny's background or Lisa's background to suggest that people would expect to find large quantities of drugs in a home
that doesn't even belong to either of these individuals it belongs to Leisa st's parents no I I understand that but
I the reason why I wanted to be clear on where this audio clip was coming from and to point
out rumors Lisa's family has a lot of money play the telephone game that that turns into oh yeah I bet they have a
safe with a bunch of money that turns into somebody thinking that's fact or hey you know I heard Johnny and Lisa
were going to have some people over on Saturday night so they bought a lot of drugs for their party I mean it's not
that hard for these stupid Rumors in a small town to get started well and one thing I want to be clear of
too is one thing that we're going to see as we get further into the suspects and
to the where the investigation and evidence starts to direct law enforcement is to
Toledo not to Holland okay and to some of the people in Toledo Holland is considered upper class right and like
you're pointing out here Captain is when you take somebody from lower class and you put them inside the home or tell
them about this home of Lisa str's parents who are doing well for themselves they go oh yeah they got
money yeah I've seen their house or oh I've heard about it they got money and it doesn't take a whole lot to imply
that to somebody that comes from another side of the tracks and what we're going
to consistently see in this case in this investigation that most if not all of those suspects are going to come from
that other side of the tracks if you will right and so now what we have going on here Captain is we have two good kids
look Lisa didn't have any money she works at TGI Fridays nothing wrong with that I was a server I was a bartender
for a long time good job still sometimes serves people I enjoy it and Johnny was getting ready to go to
school right and I'm not I'm unclear he may have been between jobs at this time school was going to be one his main
focus and unfortunately you know when we have a funeral it usually happens just days
after one passes away Johnny was supposed to start school to be a barber to he wanted to open up a
barber shop and own a small business yeah on that day that he was supposed to start school instead it was his
funeral so that's how close he was to we we talk about advancing ourselves in life that's how close he was if if you
want to say he had a drug problem and you know Johnny fine I didn't know him what what the evidence tells me is
exactly what's reported in by most of these sources that he had a recreational use problem
and that he may have been working his way out of it yeah and I can't throw shade on anybody because you know I I've
had my vices in the past well and their kids they're 20 and 21 yeah a lot of that time is it's a
experimental phase I got about two and a half years that I can't even remember and it happened in that same time period
that we just talked about at my age well we remember cuz we all tell the stories
yeah I was like uh like like Joe Walsh for about two years two and a half years yeah I got about 22 years I can't
remember this is such a difficult case I mean I think it's I think some of it is
because of the 911 calls and and you just feel so bad for the family and what they actually had to witness because a
lot of times the family doesn't actually witness the victims and the victim state
mhm and you have these two young kids on the verge of starting their adult lives and like we
said the evidence as far as drug use it's just it could be experimental phase but this
phase was connecting them with I think the wrong type of people yes people that they normally would not associate with
right and and keep in mind too it's going to be persons when we say associate with
we're going to see a one one factor repeated over and over in this investigation at people that they
looked at these may not even been close friends with our victims these were people
that their associate on their Social Circle persons that were on the fringes of their Social Circle right are
Associates with the Suspects so let's attempt to go down the trail that we believe the detectives
would have followed here so detective kak is going to be the lead investigator for much of this investigation and of
course he's going to want to talk to Tiffany Williams right so remember yeah because
we have a red flag with the with the mom saying hey look this is this is all strange and suspicious and if the mom is
suspicious of an individual that's where you need to start that's obviously also
who they were planning on hanging out with and they never met they never made that connection that day correct so so
when the detective sits down with Tiffany Williams she describes going to her friend Zach's house to obtain some
pills and while there she says she called Johnny at 10:41 this is that call that we've discussed at length here and
this is she says for the purpose of firming up their plans for that night she states that Johnny picked up the
phone didn't say hello says bro what are you doing or something to that effect and then she says that the
call drops well not necessarily drops but Johnny hangs up saying he would call her back he does not call back she tells
the detective that she discussed this call with Zach and we know the outcome of this situation we know that when she
receives no response at some point she and Zach drive out to Lisa's house now how did they get in contact with
Johnny's parents is what I'm going to want to know as the detective and why do they go to reach out to Johnny's parents
they say it's because they were concerned and they couldn't get in touch with Johnny and Lisa so what will we
learn Captain is that Zach will reach out to an individual named Ruben rowes now Reuben the reason why Zack wants to
reach out to him is because he knows he and Tiffany know that Ruben is Johnny's best friend like lifelong best friend he
might know one what's going on with Johnny but if he doesn't know he's going to know somebody that they can contact
correct so now we learn that Tiffany and Zach do not know or possess the ability
to get in touch with Johnny's family now Reuben says we tell police that Zack asked if they could pick him
up and go to the stob house with them now Reuben says Ruben is is clean okay Ruben he's never had a drug problem he
doesn't have a police background doesn't have a record no History of Violence he says look when
this dude calls me I know that Zach is a problem I know that he has a drug problem and I don't really know the guy
very well so I wasn't willing to go any with them in the middle of the night right yeah I was concerned about my
friend and so then that is when Tiffany is forced to call Sharita because their first
person they attempted to go to Ruben does not want any involvement Sharita then is the one that calls Johnny's
parents okay and again remember Sharita is more of more a peer of Johnny's friends and people that would
be of Johnny's age she's much younger than Johnny's parents now we have the parents at the scene and all that's
going on that we already already are aware about but we know that police the authorities took down Tiffany's
information and Zach's contact information before allowing them to leave that night the other thing here Captain is
we've talked about the drugs I want to Circle back to something real quick the detectives when they start
talking to Johnny and poli's Inner Circle and then expanding outward from there that's
when they the police catch wind of this thought and this rumor that's going around that there was a safe or maybe a
large sum of money kept at the stob home right so now we have police working with
a theory that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense a couple things we we can shrink
our suspect pool very quickly here there are things going on socially that are telling us that one
it's very likely that the perpetrators would have either known Johnny and or Lisa or would have known people that did
know them because if we have people saying that Johnny bragged a couple of times or maybe just once about there
being a safe or maybe the stobs got a bunch of money it was one of his friends that
heard that and they had to tell somebody else if it wasn't one of his in Circle that is responsible for what happened to
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you have a a homicide of course you want to look at the Inner Circle but but here we have
something different we have Johnny and Lisa are supposed to meet up with somebody to me if I'm law enforcement
that's the first person that I'm questioning and we don't know what type of person this is and like we said if
they're in a experimental phase with drugs they're in experimental phase with friends and who is this Tiffany and
here's a little clip of her they're calling an interrogation but a questioning by law enforcement I think
this kind of shows you a little glimpse of who she is and her her recall of the events that night I want to go over that
conversation again in detail that's fine all right you call Johnny on the phone mhm how many times did it ring you think
remember um once or twice okay one to two rings picked it right up mhm you know it was Johnny
Yes how long of a pause before he said anything he didn't say hello all right so he never said anything never said
hello so all right so you're on the phone mhm how long before you hear anything on the phone did you what did
you like as soon as he picked it up he didn't say hello to me but he was like bro what are you doing all right I want
to get this down again bro what are you doing okay okay and he said that approximately three
times okay then all right let give me his voice was it bro what are you doing or
bro what are you doing yeah just like that he sounded pissed yeah did he sound scared no he just sounded pissed just
pissed yeah all right so you hear you hear bro what are you doing three times Johnny sounds pissed mhm all right then
what he say then the next thing he said was who the hell are you how many times um once and then
that's when I heard the other person in the background but I couldn't hear what he was
saying so you overheard a voice in the background Guy voice you're sure it was a guy positive it was a
guy have you ever heard it before no well I really couldn't tell you know what I
mean but okay all right so then what then he asked again bro what are you doing after
he said who after the three times he said it here he said it again yeah and that's when this guy was talking so
that's why I couldn't hear him is because Johnny was say him um bro what are you doing once
again all right did you hear anything in the background like a door closed footsteps it sound like Johnny was did
he sound pissed here again mhm did he sound pissed here yeah did he sound like he was out of breath no did he sound
like he was scared or nervous no did he sound like he knew them people mhm that's why I said I think that whoever
did it he knew because you know if you knew JN how did he end the conversation with you T
I'm going to call you back and H on okay now not he didn't give me a chance to talk okay he just hangs out he says
he'll call you back okay which means he probably knows who's in the house MH okay now you
call who I didn't call nobody who did you call to tell him that conversation with
Johnny nobody I just told Zach okay how did Johnny's mom find out about the phone conversation um after I had drove
out to their house and there was no response I drove back to Lisa's house well after I left Lisa's house I drove
back and I was like well maybe they're just ignoring us we just drive around look for him and I called my friend
Sharita to get Ruben's number which is Johnny's best friend so that I could get in
contact well see if Johnny could if he would answer the to Ruben and then Ruben didn't get an answer then we can get
hold of the family and let the family know cuz I just thought maybe he was ignoring me why would you listen listen
listen why with that conversation would you let somebody's family know that hey something's wrong I
wasn't calling to let him know something was wrong I was calling to let him know
like can you get him will he pick up the phone to you because like I he told me he'd call me back I didn't think nothing
was because you were yes I was very concerned about what was going on yeah because it was like no
I was not getting no response cuz right after I heard that I called Lisa's phone
and there was no pickup and then I called her a couple more times no answer so I texted her like are you okay and
she didn't answer then I kept calling Johnny's phone Zach said he was doing the same also and they wasn't picking up
so that's when I started calling you know his best friend to see if he would answer to his best friend and he was
just ignoring us because he didn't want to share pills or you know what I mean that's what I thought all it was that's
very telling to me there Captain here we have the det I think it's it's utter it's utter confusion to me thank you for
saying that because that will prove a point that that I have for all the beautiful listeners out there so there's
three key key elements to this portion of the discussion before we get to those three key elements here and the three
key elements to Tiffany Williams herself is one a portion of the clip that we did not hear is because it's a
rather lengthy clip right it's probably 20 to 30 minutes long total and the part that we don't hear is that
prior to going through this exchange that Tiffany Williams has said occurred between her and Johnny is that before
the detectives get into the words of that conversation the detective clearly is locking Tiffany Williams into a
truth or a fallacy by saying your phone when you you called Johnny but he's clarifying you called him not by means
of a landline or Zach's phone or somebody else's phone your phone you call called Johnny with your phone at
10:41 and she says correct my phone so the reason why we're locking her into that is because we are going to
be able to pull those records and prove if that part of the story is right or not because we have a lot that seems to
be riding on what this conversation was between Tiffany and Johnny you hear them the detectives
trying to figure out based off of Tiffany's words if Johnny was upset if he was pissed if he was surprised if he
was scared if he knew the individuals if he didn't know the individuals right but
I want to keep in mind and I know that I keep harping on this same idea here that
conversation if it went down that way only matters if it went down that way we have Tiffany Williams who I am
incredibly suspicious of and welcome to the party welcome to the club there's a lot of people that are suspicious of her
well let's point out a couple obvious things the cops are trying to get her to say
that you're concerned because of the call that you heard and she's not even smart enough to realize I just I need to
keep going back to what was concerned by his actions on that phone call but she's
more concerned that they're trying to do drugs and not include them in the drug usage I think what the detectives are
trying to point out and the corner that they're trying to back her into is oh you were so concerned about that call
and what you say you heard on that call but you don't act on that concern until two hours later so it doesn't seem like
you were really concerned about what you heard on that call this going back to the same idea that I keep I'm beating a
dead horse here Captain we don't have Johnny to tell us what was said on that call we only have
Tiffany Williams who can tell us what was said on that call I don't think any of that [ __ ] that she says happened on
that call I mean and this shows you though like the lengths that somebody will go
to she is telling us these are the links that we're you're not answering your phone you might be doing
we know you have some pills you might be doing these pills without us well who do
we know that he might answer his phone for call his best friend and of course the best friend
thinks this whole interaction is fishy to begin with it's it's very strange well I like that you point out
that the the her explanation when she's trying to explain her actions you know who did you call and
when did you call them and why you hear that toward the end of the clip it's all
very confusing and muddled correct yeah you know why that is because it's easy to tell the truth
it's difficult to lie and what's happened here is that clip our victims were killed January 30th January
31st mhm without a doubt okay that interview is taking place March 23rd by this time Tiffany
Williams has explained the same story to M and Johnny's family multiple times she's explained the story to the police
and detectives multiple times why does she sound so damn confused there someone's going to say Nick well she's
got a drug problem fine but I'm going to point out here it's difficult to lie it's easy to tell the truth she sounds
confused here because she's trying to recall what she's told all these people along the way and keep her story
straight and now it's getting very difficult for her to do that now 3 months later or sorry now it's getting
difficult for her to do this almost two months later well if you go back to the calls to
911 when she's telling the story there it's a lot of um um um you do that when you're trying to think of your next
statement if you made a phone call and you were really concerned and you went okay well we got this weird phone call
and then I started calling him and he didn't answer the phone so then I called his girlfriend and she didn't answer the
phone so we decided to go over there and we rang the doorbell and and they didn't
answer so then we tried to call their phone again I wasn't even there and I can tell
you the story without going uh uh uh so I think even back to the day in question you can almost hear her trying
to think of what the best thing to say is well she's she's getting caught there and the police almost had her the
detectives almost had her when she starts getting confused and she starts sounding confused in her delivery as to
what she did and why they're asking her specifically well why did you reach out to the family well cuz I was concerned
about that phone call okay well that doesn't make sense because you waited 2 hours oh well I knew that they could get
in touch with them I wasn't so concerned I I just knew that they could get in touch with them and I was I thought
maybe they were just avoiding us or not answering our calls or maybe they didn't
want to share pills with us so now she's got a different explanation that has that has no meaning on the prior
question or her prior explanation and the the reason why this is all key is because of something that
she said way too early she done [ __ ] up oh Dro in the f bomb the first 911 call by m to the police what does m say
to the police I got this call from Tiffany some girl named Tiffany and she's saying that uh there was this
weird phone call that she would had with my son and it sounded like people were breaking into the house and she's
calling us and saying that she's concerned and that she went over there and she saw the house was ransacked and
I'm worried that my son has been abducted or or something worse has happened during the course of a robbery
Tiffany said to M that she went to the home and saw that it had been ransacked that cannot be this is a big
problem this is a big problem for Tiffany and here's why because what do we know these are facts man these like
you C people out there can can question a lot of what I say sometimes because some of because you're an idiot
speculation thanks Captain right uh but the thing here is this is not speculation these are these are words
that's why we're P playing these recordings for you because they're not the Colonel's words my tast says to the
911 operator this is before she goes to the scene before her husband's at the scene that this girl says that she was
at the scene and saw that the place was rans act and that's why she called it she was concerned the problem with that
portion of her story is get who else went to that scene the police yeah they did not see any reason for probable
cause they did not see that the home had been ransacked M and her husband went to the scene into the home and what did
they say all the blinds were closed we couldn't see in we only kicked down the door once we hoisted somebody up into
the air to see into that window and I wish there was photographic evidence and and maybe there is by law enforcement
but like you said this is a big this is a big deal because the police walked all
the way around the home attempted to look in every window guess what they couldn't see anything because all the
blinds were closed right the first question of that night should be well how did you see this how did you see
something that we're not able to see Johnny's father walked around the entirety of that home and looked in
every window couldn't see everything because anything because the blinds were closed M walked around the home looked
in every window couldn't see anything because the blinds were closed yet this woman who
claims she saw that the home had been ransacked and that's why she's concerned and that's why she reached out to the
parents because she's concerned for the safety of her friends the only way she would have known at that time when she
contacted the parents that the home had been ransacked there's only two explanations either she was in the home
and had seen that the outcome yeah or that somebody that was in the home had told her and gave her that knowledge
there's no other way around it it's one of those two situations which means she was either there when the attack
happened or she knows who did the attack well like you said we have cell phone technology shouldn't they be able to say
well if if she actually took this call from Johnny at at what you say 10 she made the call remember that's why they
purposely cleared that up right right she made from your phone you called him at
10:41 right because couldn't they do cell phone ping technology and put her at that Residence at that time she
doesn't have to be there to be involved true yeah again she could have had knowledge somebody that was inside
the home could have told her yeah we ransacked the place yeah yeah we we ripped up the place we killed him and we
tore the place to pieces yeah because we were looking for drugs or we were looking for money what do you mean you
guys didn't find anything we looked everywhere we looked everywhere we tore the place
apart so yeah they can do self-own technology and and and here's the next question that people go they go well
then why the hell would she alert the family right that doesn't make any sense no it doesn't make any sense it actually
does make complete sense they didn't try to alert the family they wanted to alert
Reuben right Johnny's friend remember they offered to pick up Reuben and bring him
back to the stob home they wanted to alert somebody but they had to they had to alert somebody and here's the thing
Reuben too smart says you know what I'm not going over there I don't know you guys very well you got a drug problem
I'm not getting in a car with you but he's concerned enough for his friend they contact the parents they had
to contact someone why why would they have to contact someone because of the cell phone
records right right they know they figured it out two hours too damn late wait a second the
police are probably going to want to know why I called Johnny who ends up dead yeah now I've got to explain that
away oh well I couldn't have been involved because when I called him there was already something going on yeah or
also the fact that if they had plans at all to meet up then who did Johnny tell that we're
going to meet up with Tiffany who did Lisa possibly tell right they have to be able to explain away the
plan the possible plans if there ever were any right because again that's we only have Tiffany to tell us that but
then on top of that because according to Johnny's family when they spoke to him he said they had no plans for the night
they were going to go home they were going to chill right that could be true now the thing
here is you're exactly right Captain if they had plans with Tiffany now she's got to explain away why those plans
didn't happen and why she could not have been involved right and the way that she's trying to explain that away is
alerting someone that oh by the way when I talked to him at 10:41 he was he was pissed he was confused there was
somebody like breaking into the house right then and there yeah so her own words means that she has knowledge of
the she has knowledge of these crimes that she was privy to before the police were before Johnny's parents were before
anybody else that arrived on that scene and the only way that she could have had
that knowledge was to either a be there or be somebody gave her that knowledge but
we have this this messy crime scene I mean this I mean this is what's so horrible like I said is most of the
time the victims family do not see the victims in the victim state but we have DNA
evidence yeah we have plenty of DNA evidence so as mentioned we had some that was found on Johnny's
sweatpants and they also collected DNA from the cell phones so what happens at some point here Captain the perpetrators
they rip the batteries from Lisa and Johnny's cell phones and I believe they even broke the cell phones themselves
and the cell phones were recovered different sources either on top of the victims or nearby the victims right and
so this act of breaking and removing the battery puts perpetrator DNA on those cell phones also on the sweatpants
here's what I'm I would love to know and we talked about this when we we talked about Richard Allen's vehicle the the
suspect in the deli case being confiscated and and and uh searching that vehicle and we've talked about this
plenty of times I love the logic that is applied to a crime scene by these technicians because guess what they have
this is a big house they would have the whole house and every item that was ransacked knocked to the floor pulled
out of drawers to check you can't check every Dam thing so what do you do you have to prioritize where you are going
to be looking for fingerprints and DNA and blood and what do we know about the crime
scene what does the crime scene tell us well the crime scene is talking to the technicians and the crime scene
says somebody either emptied Johnny's wallet or made sure that it was empty yeah
where does one keep their wallet in their pant pocket so where will we one where's One
location that we will prioritize looking for physical evidence Johnny's pants pockets and so well think about that too
because even if you're wearing gloves that normally you have a space between like even if you're wearing long like a
long sleeve shirt you have that space in between and that would make contact if you're reaching into somebody's pocket
correct and where on his pants do they find DNA evidence his pants pocket so very likely somebody reached in and
removed his wallet and then took money out of it or made sure that it was empty right and what's what's interesting here
too again the crime scene what is it telling us what is it telling the technicians and the investigators we
know there was a sign of a struggle Johnny was a big guy he was strong he was a he was a weightlifter bodybuilder
at one time he put up a struggle we know that the the crime scene shows a struggle at
the at the door going from the garage into the home it's believed that that's where Johnny tried to fend off the
Intruder Intruders well the Intruder may have injured themselves during the course of
that scuffle right it is blood it's blood evidence that they find that will give them the DNA evidence in
Johnny's pocket so as you said perpetrator reached in pulled out that wallet and left a little something of
them behind unknowingly at the crime scene the other location that they find DNA evidence is on the duct tape which
is which is often a place that people will find DNA evidence and here's why how many times have you
witnessed a person for any number of reasons you're you know you're just out doing something whatever how they either
have to tear the duct tape cut it or a lot of people stick the end in their mouth and use their teeth and tear it
off right that saliva is going to leave DNA evidence on that duct tape so they find DNA on the duct tape Johnny's p
pocket and they also find it on the cigarette butt now of their suspects and they talk to a lot of people here some
of them agree to polygraph some don't some agree to a DNA swab some don't they end up collecting I believe it's about
two dozen DNA swabs from persons that they talked to and again not everybody was willing to
consent to this two individuals that did not consent in fact two individuals that
were not even on police's radar get immediately pulled into this case none of the DNA that they had
collected matched that on the duct tape the pants pocket or the cigarette butt but on the cigarette butt the
Newport cigarette that was found at the crime scene near the door to the garage yielded
two DNA donors and both of those individuals had a criminal background so they are
already listed in codus right when police check the DNA found at the scene against
codus it delivers them to Prime suspects that they were unaware of one Samuel Todd
Williams and two Cameo pedway well what happened to you aside today there's some things that Mr Ross and I
would like to talk to you about okay uh we ran some names by you um you've been advised your rights and
stuff um you're saying you never been to that house can we get to the to the me of
what we want to talk to you about then we we a problem at dead house last winter did you hear anything about
it no okay couple kids were found dead in there uh young adults and uh they were probably the victim of a
burglary they got bum rushed in the place you know what we're talking about bum rushed somebody just crashes in on
you and maybe robs you or burglarizes your house I mean you know what we're talking
about okay so that's what happened to these young couples so how did my name get brought up in this science
I don't understand how well remember when these guys respond to a scat and they go in
there you're a criminal justice major right according off the area everybody that is involved in that
Scene goes in they start collecting evidence okay these guys collected a lot of evidence and they had a a lot of
evidence tested for DNA do you know what DNA is okay explain to us what you think DNA
is me you saliva whatever saliva poop piss skin cells hair follicles all that stuff gives up an
individuals individual characteristics do you buy that based on what you've been taught in
school I haven't I'm only doing my like basic courses right now I'm not doing they will tell you soon enough the DNA
is like fingerprints you know there's no two fingerprints that are alike there's
no two dnas that are alike each of us have a separate one if they tested Jeff here he it come up with a certain row of
numbers that mean something to the scientist they tested you you'd come up with a different bunch of numbers in a
row that means something to the s scientist but yours would be like Jeff's if I Spit on a cotton swab and they did
my DNA numbers would come up mine would not be like yours mine would not be like
his we're all separate just like if they took our fingerprints tonight your fingerprint would be
different from Jeff's be different from mine mine would be different from him and from you you understand where we're
going it's Unique to the individual there's no two DN that are alike totally understand it okay okay now when these
guys collected a lot of pieces of evidence in there that were involved in this crime they sent it down to Bowling Green
for testing okay and items in that scene came back with your DNA on it okay how do you explain that
how can we explain that I have no idea you've never been to that house never been to you don't know those kids I
don't know them people and your DNA is in that house I don't know you have no idea no do you
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In early 2011 near Toledo, Ohio a home invasion became a double homicide investigation. This was a night that shook an entire community. What happened that night? Why were these two victims seemingly targeted? Who could do something this heinous and evil to two people that were so young. This case can still be solved. Join Nic & Captain in the Garage and find out how. If you know any information about the murders of Lisa Straub and Johnny Clarke please call Crime Stoppers at 419-255-1111, or the Lucas County Detective’s Bureau at 419-213-4917, or reach out to reporter Brian Dugger at bdugger@wtol.com

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Brief Summary

The episode examines the double homicide of Johnny Clark and Lisa Stob, focusing on the investigation and key suspects involved.

Key points

The Unpredictable Nature of Crime. Can 3D printed organ models help map out complex surgeries?
Garage Beer Feature. This week, we feature garage beer brewed in small batches for better taste.
Tragic Fate of Johnny and Lisa. Johnny and Lisa were young adults with bright futures, tragically cut short.
Tiffany's Confusing Testimony. Tiffany Williams struggles to recall details of her phone call with Johnny, raising suspicions.
Intruder Encounter. Johnny put up a struggle against the intruder, indicating a violent confrontation.
DNA Evidence Found. DNA evidence was discovered on Johnny's pants pocket and duct tape, leading to prime suspects.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

You know what I'm saying? This is a killer!

Discussion about the nature of the crime and the killer's intent.

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Tension

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