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were talking about a situation where we have 21-year-old Johnny Clark, and he's staying at his 20-year-old
girlfriend's home, Lisa Strob. The home technically belongs to Lisa's parents, who are away on a vacation.
So, not only are they staying there, but as everyone states, they're also house-sitting while the Strobs are gone.
We left off at the point on our timeline where Johnny's parents have been notified by a woman named Tiffany
Williams. Tiffany Williams is 24 years old, and she is an air quotes friend of Johnny's and Lisa's.
And she, through another person, alerted Johnny's parents of a couple of situations that occurred that night.
One, that she was on the phone with Johnny Clark at about 10:41 that night, and that she had heard what sounded to
be a disturbance. That Johnny sounded like he was interacting with somebody, didn't know
what was going on, and it might be a situation. She is then saying that after about 2 hours, she decides to drive out
to the Straubs home and check on her friends, Johnny and Lisa. And by getting no response at the door
and getting no response on their cell phones, she now has alerted Johnny's family that she's concerned and she
thinks that something is wrong. Where we left off yesterday, Johnny's parents are at the location.
They're on scene. Police have been called twice. Mayte, Johnny's mother, called police
911 twice and they sent out Lucas County Sheriff's Office on two occasions, back-to-back. Lucas County observes the
situation, takes a look at the house, they knock on the door, they shine their flashlights.
They see no probable cause and they have no probable cause to enter the home. Nobody present after receiving
those calls can give authority for the authorities to go into the home. Now, one thing that's very interesting
here is that before the police leave the scene, the Sheriff's Office deputies leave the scene for what is now a second
time, one of the officers pulls Johnny's father, John, to the side and says, "Look, man,
not being a cop here, father to father, I can't tell you to do anything, but if this were my son and he was
staying at his girlfriend's home and I'm arriving to the scene, I would wait for the police to leave and
I would bust into the house to see what's going on." Now, the officer is saying this and and
the reason why I think that this is important to note here is some people have said, well, I don't understand why
the police wouldn't just go in. They can't just bust into a home without probable cause.
It's called the law. Now, the other thing too is they cannot just tell Johnny's parents, yeah, break a window
and go in. They they cannot witness a crime. They cannot encourage a crime to take
place. They cannot witness a crime and then do nothing about it. So, this guy is saying man-to-man, father-to-father,
and here's why I believe that this officer says this. When they all arrive on the scene, here's what we got going
on, Captain. >> Yeah. >> The Strobs, the parents, Lisa's parents who are gone, they they own three vehicles.
Okay, two of those vehicles are in the driveway of this home. Nobody's answering the
door. Johnny's father, John, is quite the strong guy. He's a bit of a bodybuilder, good-sized man.
So, when the police are on the scene, he actually physically is able to lift up the garage door just enough that one of
the cops gets his head down there, looks in, and inside the garage they see the other Strob vehicle
along with Lisa Strob's car inside the garage as well. Johnny does not have his own vehicle at
this time. So, what's weird is the two youngsters, Johnny and Lisa, who are staying there and house-sitting,
all their means of transportation are there present at the home. There's no vehicles missing from the home.
And then you compound that with Tiffany Williams saying earlier at 10:41 p.m., I'm on the phone with Johnny and he's
saying, "What are you doing, bro? Who are you, bro?" As if that there's some kind of
commotion at the house. And I'm very thankful that this officer encouraged the Clarks to do something, to take
matters into their own hand. So, what the Clarks do, they leave when the cops leave, when the sheriff's department
leaves. They follow them out of the neighborhood. And then the police go one way, and the
Clarks go another way. They drive around for a bit, just long enough to make sure
that the sheriff's department is gone from the property, and then they come back.
The Clarks just don't bust in, break a window, bust into the house. They have a member of their family that
is there, that is a service member in our in our military, serving this great country, who says, "Look,
I either I need to leave before you bust into the house, cuz I don't I I can't afford to get into trouble. I have
I have a rank and a job and everything." Let's Let's give us reason to bust into
the house. So, they're going around and they're looking in the windows. They can't see
anything because all of the blinds are closed. Now, around the backside of the home,
you know those windows, Captain, where you have the the arc at the top? So, it's not your standard rectangle or
square window. It is on the bottom, but at the top, there's a there's a glass arc, a windowpane.
This portion of this window in the back of the home, there's no blinds up there. Often, there
is not when you have that kind of decorative window. But, there are blinds on the lower portion of it.
So, one cannot see into the home. This is a window that goes to the kitchen. So, what they decide, because there's
several of the Clark clan there, if you will, they decide to boost one of the lighter
individuals up. Remember, John Clark is quite the strong man. He's going to lift up one of the
other family members, who now can look into the home through that windowpane, without the blind on top, or without any
coverings. This person sees two individuals lying on the floor inside with bags on their heads
and they appear to be bound. Now, seeing that, witnessing that, will now ignite a new fire.
And that is a third 911 call from Johnny's mom, Maite, to emergency services. >> Oh my god.
You need to get the police out to Long Acre Lane. My son is in the basement tied up with his child. I just saw him
through the window. I The police were out here earlier and did absolutely nothing.
Both cell phones are on the ground and we can see the people. Him and his girlfriend are tied up in the basement.
>> Okay. All right, we'll get them out there. >> Get them Get them out here. I told them
earlier. They didn't listen to >> Ma'am, I need you to calm down. We'll get them out there.
>> They're unconscious. >> They're unconscious, ma'am? Okay. You said they're unconscious?
>> Yes. >> Okay. All right. >> Their cell phones are on their bodies. She only has pants on.
>> Okay. >> And their hands are tied. >> Okay. All right, we'll get them out there, ma'am.
>> Oh my god. >> Okay. I need you to calm down. We'll get them out there, okay? >> Oh my god, please hurry.
>> All right, we will. >> Long Acre. >> Okay, I have the address. >> Long Acre Lane.
>> I have the address. We'll get them out there. >> Goodbye. >> Seems so ridiculous that these
dispatchers are so concerned about somebody staying calm or not raising their voices at at them.
But, uh, this obviously will give police probable cause to enter the the property.
>> Which they're not going to need. Because what happens here is when you hear Mayte on the phone with
the dispatcher and you hear that she's kind of, you know they're tied up. They're unconscious.
Cell phones on their bodies. He's only got pants on. The pants are tied. >> Right.
>> The reason why she's saying it and delivering it that way to the dispatcher is because she's not seen any of this
with her own eyes. Remember they had to lift a family member or some other person that was
there up into the air, hoist them up to see inside of the home. She is relaying what is being told. It
That scene is being described to her and then she's immediately describing it to
emergency services on the phone. >> Right. >> So, that that will explain her kind of
odd delivery because this is news to her as she's telling emergency services. Meanwhile, while she's on the phone
trying to get the police back out there and ambulance now John after he hears what's going on inside
the house, he sprints around to the front of the home and with a single kick damn near kicks down the front door of
this house. He runs inside to the kitchen area. Now, remember we hear Mayte saying that
they're in the basement. She She doesn't know exactly what room that they're looking into.
They've never the the Clarks Johnny's parents have never been inside this home before.
And so, John, the father, runs in. He finds two persons' bodies lying in the kitchen.
And he rips the bag instinctively and rightfully so, rips the bag off of one of the individuals.
And unfortunately, it is his son who is still unconscious, unresponsive. And then he rips the bag off of
what would be clear to him is Alyssa's head. >> Right. >> And gets the same result.
And he then says that he he went to go outside, that he needed to get out of there.
He gets out, he goes outside, and on his way out, or once he's outside, right now
things are moving very quickly and the parents are are completely in shock. So, their statements, it's a little
unclear how these things panned out or played out, and it's not really important in my opinion.
But what we do know is at some point he he runs outside and he says he just loses his mind. He doesn't he
doesn't even know what reality is for a while. And he says that at some point, either on his way out of the home or on
or once outside of the home, he tells his wife what it is that he witnessed. Maybe he says something like Johnny's
gone or Johnny's dead, to which she then faints. >> Right. >> So, that's what takes place shortly like
immediately after this 911 call. >> And so, what we have at this scene is we have we now know it's Johnny, we know
it's Lisa. It seems like they were bound. And then their plastic bags were placed over their
heads. But do we have anybody seeing do we see any type of blood or what else are we seeing at this scene?
>> Well, we'll go through we'll go through the evidence and through the what they
were able to witness at the crime scene. But one thing we need to point out here, too
is that Did we play the second call? >> No. >> What was that? >> No. >> So after Myte's call
Tiffany Williams who's still at the scene, she then calls and makes a very brief call to 911 and she's stating very
much of the same that was just stated by Myte Clark. >> Right. >> So she has a very brief conversation
with the dispatcher and at this point the the police emergency services are already en route.
>> And it's surprising that Tiffany hasn't left at this point because at some point
there's kind of accusations coming her way as far as like why did it take you so
long to react to them not answering their phones and then you know, they're at the crime
they're at the scene trying to figure out what's going on and then you have Johnny's mom saying, "Hey, are you
involved in this? Did you set my son up with something?" >> And just so everybody can follow along
with our timeline here, the report I have Captain states that that third and final 911 call for Myte comes in at
approximately 3:50 a.m. >> So obviously the whole family is in a state of shock.
It's hysteria. Then law enforcement comes back onto the scene and obviously now they're able to enter the property.
>> Yeah, and we've reviewed a lot of cases where emergency services have have told
us that if if they can get to a scene and someone has for a lack of better term expired 15, 20, 30 minutes prior to
their arrival, that they've they've witnessed and been a part of situations where they are able to actually save
that person's life, bring them back. And I'm including that because it's important to our timeline to narrow down
the time of death for our victims here. Now, what we have here, Captain, is John Gains, as we said, John Gains entry
to the home. He discovers Lisa and John that are they're both bound at the hands
and neck with plastic bags over their heads. He instinctively rips the bag off of his son's head to expose his face,
but gets no response. John then moves to Lisa and does the same only to get the same sad outcome. She too is not
responding. Deputies from the Lucas County Sheriff's Office respond to the scene yet again, this time along with
firemen shortly behind them who will perform life-saving efforts, but tragically this is to no avail. The two
youngsters have been out for far too long and they are officially gone at this point in our timeline. Sources
report that when the bodies were discovered, that Johnny's head was facing west with his hands and feet bound with black
duct tape. And the same black duct tape was used to seal the bag at his neck. Lisa was found facing east. Her hands
were bound behind her back with duct tape with the same similar bag as uh what was found on Johnny. And the
same duct tape tightly wrapped around her neck as well. Now, one difference between the two
victims here is her legs were not bound. So, when you hear in the 911 call from Mayte saying he he's only wearing
pants and the pants are tied. What she's trying to say is that his legs are bound. Like, they used the
tape to bind up his him at the ankles. >> Right. >> And so, he's wearing sweatpants, so this
black duct tape would have been obvious to them even from outside looking from perched above that that arc
pane window window pane. And Lisa is not bound at the legs. Now, she did say that you know, he's only
wearing pants. Well, they have an obstructed view, and the crime scene the reason why there's an obstructed
view is because they're found in the kitchen. And from their vantage point, some items that will be in the way will
be the kitchen table, as well as some of the table the table and chairs, okay? So,
what they cannot see is actually both of them are fully clothed. Both of the victims are fully clothed. However, the
their shirts are bunched up toward the top of their bodies. And so, it appeared that he has no shirt
on from looking outside looking in. Now, as said, both their shirts appear to have ridden up to expose their stomachs.
But investigators noted that this did not seem to be in any way or any form of sexual
assault or any type of sexual way, but rather because as it would appear to investigators,
both victims were moved after having been bound. So, they were dragged. And the victims' shirts then bunched up
to their chests. >> Right. >> As a likely result of someone or very likely, especially in Johnny's case,
someone's dragging the victims across the floor to stage them or place them in the kitchen.
And I say someone's because look, I get it. You're dragging someone and that that takes away some of the weight here.
But Johnny's 5' 11. 205 lbs. So, he's not a small boy. Um it probably I I would I would wager
Franklin, Captain, it took two to move him. So, I think we're looking for at minimum two perpetrators in this
horrific horrific crime. >> Brian, like you said, we don't have evidence of sexual assault.
But do we we were told earlier that the house looked like it was ransacked. Do we have evidence that
the motive the motive might might have been a burglary here? >> You're spot on here, Captain, because
still to this day this this horrible crime takes place very early 2011. We're sitting here in the garage
2023 and it's unclear to this day what exactly the motive was. Now as we get through this, I think that our
listeners will see and maybe share the same opinion that we have that there might be more than one
motive at play here. Now, especially if we are to consider that we may have more
than one perpetrator. So some more details from the crime scene. An empty wallet is placed on Johnny's
bare stomach. This would turn out to be his wallet. Some have suggested that the
wallet left in this manner by the killer was as if to send a message. Both victims displayed signs of
petechiae on their faces. It was very clear to Lucas County Sheriff's investigators that a struggle
had taken place. Now, listen to this level of damage inside here, Captain. Level of damage inside the Strob home,
per the police reports, there was broken drywall, a clock torn off the wall, a plant
knocked over, and then there were many many to say many items were scattered about is to put it
very conservatively. >> Right. >> It also became increasingly clear to authorities that the garage
was the most likely must have been the point of access for the intruder or intruders to get inside
of the home. And here's why. There was damage to the interior service door, or as long time listeners of this
show know that I like to call it the man door. Meaning, this is the door that the
people walk through, not the door that the cars go through. >> Right. >> So, there there's signs of forcible
entry into the home, and they're getting that from the man door, from garage to the inside of the home.
They're not getting that from the garage door. The garage was closed when police first
arrived on the scene. The garage was closed when Johnny's family's on the scene. Remember, dad had to lift up the
garage door, the car door, so that the deputy could look inside and see that there were two more cars inside the
garage. So, this is indicative that whoever decided to bust into the home or intrude into the home,
the garage door was either open for them to receive them or was already open when
they approached the home. They only had to bust into the man door. And they were so kind enough to close
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Cheers to you, Colonel. Onward and upward. >> Yeah, thank you, Captain. Now, this is
very likely protocol for a double homicide in most jurisdictions in the state of Ohio. I'm not certain about
this jurisdiction in particular, so this is either protocol or simply the investigators realizing that they need
additional expertise for this case and this crime scene that appears to have a lot going on.
Lucas County Sheriff's Office detectives, they rather quickly contact the Ohio Bureau of Criminal
Identification and Investigation, or BCI for short, for their assistance in this
case. So, now we have BCI there to assist in processing this crime scene. As observed by the Lucas County
Sheriff's Office when BCI had arrived, we we get Special Agent Supervisor Ed Bierstad,
who notices that the crime scene does not only show signs of force or forcible entry,
signs of obvious struggle, but now this officer is saying we need to include that this house
appears to have been ransacked. And I mean, let's say very ransacked because I've seen the pictures. Very ransacked
if we were to try to discuss levels of ransacking. >> Yeah, we'll try to post as many photos
about this case and the people involved, obviously. And And those are you can always find
those on our social media. >> So we have To put it short and sweet, we have cabinets that have been opened,
drawers pulled out as if as if someone's searching for something. Now, in the master bedroom, the mattress
was pulled completely off of the box spring uh as if to reveal anything potentially
hidden under the mattress. In the walk-in closet, we have clothing that is you know, torn from the hangers and
thrown all over the floor. >> But But question for you because sometimes when we have
uh house that quote-unquote looks ransacked, is it staged to look that way? To To throw law enforcement off of
what the possible motive of this crime would be. >> Yeah, and we have a a dresser that's
overturned, a panel leading to the attic space is is open. And as said, there's damage to the drywall.
Uh significant damage in areas of the home to the drywall. And this is one could be both
clear sign of a struggle, usually it is. But we usually cover cases where there's
not this level of ransacking going on inside the home. And so I want to point out something
here, too, that the destruction to some of the drywall could be happenstance from a struggle.
Look, Johnny was a tough kid. If with with these intruders, he's not going to just allow them to
just walk into the home. He's going to put up a fight. So, there's our struggle.
But on top of that, with all this ransacking, keep in mind, some of this damage to the drywall may
be part more part of the ransacking than just that struggle. >> It also makes you wonder because, like
you said, we have we have two victims. So, do we have two perpetrators or do we have
even more than two? >> We also find out that Lisa's purse had been emptied and Johnny's wallet was
empty as well. Strangely, however, there was jewelry that was in plain sight. And some have stated that this was
overlooked, but I I don't think that it was overlooked because it One description we get is
that a jewelry box was opened to expose the jewelry. And for whatever reason, they decided not to take any thing that
they saw there. We also end up learning that something that was in the home prior to the homicides and remained
there afterward was six envelopes containing foreign currency. >> Right. >> So, whoever is responsible,
they take Lisa's money, Johnny's money, if he had any, but they pass up the jewelry. They pass
up other valuables inside the home, TVs, computers, things of that nature, and they pass up the foreign currency as
well. >> Were they able to talk to Lisa's parents and was there any idea of maybe a special item that
these individuals might have known that they had that they were looking for? Because also, like
you can't discount a robbery if there are things missing. But like for example, you see foreign
currency a criminal might go what am I going to do with that? I'm going to have to try to find a way
to exchange that into our currency. >> Mhm. >> Or they see jewelry. What am I going to
do with that? >> Right. >> Where's the value there for me? >> Right. And And look
you can sell those items. But now involving another person you're putting yourself at a higher risk
level of getting caught, getting apprehended. And so when I see a scene like this
>> It's confusing though, right? >> It's It's confusing and you're right to point out. It was it made to be
confusing? Was there staging here? You know, it's not uncommon husband kills wife or wife kills husband out in
their home and they ransack the place or or make it look to be ransacked. Now what's What's interesting though is
detectives and cops are pretty good at seeing a scene and knowing when somebody is doing something
just to do it or when somebody's doing something that they've done before. You know, they can look at a scene
at times and go, you know what? This looks like whoever was air quotes ransacking the house
didn't really know what they were doing. Almost like they were doing it purposely
to confuse the scene. >> Right. >> That doesn't seem to be the case here. We never get any investigator saying
like we think that this was a staged scene. This place looked like you you let loose
a pack of wolverines inside the house and they tore it all up. >> Yeah. But also because of
things that you mentioned like the mattress being turned over or that I think you were saying like the
attic entrance. >> Mhm. >> To me that goes again was there something that these people
thought was at this property that they were trying to find and wouldn't we know this
information from Lisa's parents? >> Every closet that had a door in that home, the door was found open as if
somebody went through the home looking in every nook and cranny for something. And this is where things start to get
really weird. Because the first people that you're going to talk to are family and friends
of the two victims. And one thing that they start to find within some of those circles
is this thought or some kind of rumor that there was potentially a safe in the home containing
large amounts of cash. >> Right. >> Now, we have the Strobs who thankfully can tell us
a couple things. And Captain, you know it, what's one of my favorite things to discuss in these cases because it is
often most times the most important detail of these crime scenes. Transference of evidence.
The intruder, the killer, the perpetrator will almost always leave something at the crime scene knowingly
or unknowingly that could lead you back to him or her. And almost always will take something
with them knowingly or unknowingly >> Right. >> that you can link perpetrator to crime.
So, in this situation the Strobs tell us a couple things. One, we do not own a safe.
Two, we don't keep large amounts of cash in our home. In fact, they tell the police
the only money that would have been in the home aside from some change jars would have been $40 or $45 that they
left for Johnny and Lisa to order pizza one night or two nights. That's the only money that they said
that they had in the home. Now, transfers of evidence goes the other way, too. So, what do we have missing from the
scene? We have that $40, $45 if if Johnny and Lisa didn't spend it prior. >> Right.
>> We have Lisa's money, okay? Keep in mind, what did she work that night? We know she worked as a server at the
restaurant that night. Usually they walk away cash in hand. And so, we can assume we can make the
logical assumption that whatever money she took home with her from her work that night was taken.
And then we know Johnny's wallet was found empty. So, whatever money he may have had,
>> that was gone. >> That was gone as well. >> But there's a possibility if that if
law enforcement saying, "Hey, it looks like these guys were looking for possibly a
safe, that it's possible that they're at the wrong residence." >> Oh, it's most certainly possible. I
mean, when I hear this thought that there's a safe in the home and it could be a a huge mistake.
You know, you instantly think of In Cold Blood. Who was that? The Clutter family
that's killed because these two criminals in while they're in prison, they hear this bad rumor that
that the family had a um safe with $10,000 cash in it decades and decades ago when $10,000 was a whole heck of a a
money, much more than it is today. And they go in, they kill the whole family, no safe.
>> Right. >> We covered the Cheshire murders. Now, those two horrible monsters, subhumans,
they claim that they believed because it was a rich, wealthy neighborhood that they were they believed that they
would find a lot of money inside the home and that maybe even a safe and a lot of valuables. They don't find that.
People don't live that way today. Most people walk around with cards. >> Right. >> Plastic.
And the I and I said it and I made my point very clear on the Cheshire murders when
we covered I believe that Carmen Segarra Sky and those perpetrators I think that
that that rape and murder was as much if not more of a driving factor to them than the potential of finding
large sums of money. >> Well, no. And and also sometimes people are house poor. You know, where they
they have a big house and all their finances go to paying for that house. They don't have extras.
>> Unfortunately, I'm garage poor. >> Me, too. But your garage is a little bigger than
mine. >> We got a couple of other things going on at the scene though, Captain, that we
need to get to. We have two knives that are missing from the the block that would be in the kitchen.
>> Right. >> And we know that duct tape was found on our victims. Lisa's parents tell police we
didn't have any black duct tape in our home. And so now we know that the killers did
bring something with them. >> Right. >> And beyond the money, just the cash, they took something with them as well.
Now, the bags a little more difficult. I think these are pretty common bags and I
believe that the Strabbs said that they they were of the belief that the bags would have been found in either in the
garage or somewhere in their home. So now we got to deal with this duct tape. And that's really interesting here. So
what we have, let's talk about these items. Did not have any duct tape present at
the home according to the Strobs. So it must have been brought with them to the scene. Now some have said that this may
imply premeditation. Yes, of course. Yeah. But premeditation of what? Murder, robbery, torture?
I think it's too early in our investigation to conclude premeditation of what. Now one of the investigators collects a
Newport cigarette butt found in the hallway by the door to the garage that lead the main door leading to the
garage. >> Nobody in the family is a smoker. >> Nobody in the family is a smoker and
then on top of that yeah, according to Tiffany Williams, they were going to come over and hang out at the house and
and you know, not really a party according to Tiffany Williams, four people just hanging out at the house.
There weren't the Strobs had a strict rule against that, but they also had a strict rule
against smoking in the home. Nobody was permitted to smoke in the home. And as we just covered
there's no smoker that lives there. So this Newport cigarette butt is going to become just as important as the duct
tape that was found on our victims. >> Well, because like you said, there's so much
forensic king that you have to now you're going to be testing for finger prints and you're going to be
testing for DNA. But some evidence that we're going to have to go through it, you know, as far as law enforcement
is going to have to go through at the scene is what happened to these two victims.
We know that they were bound and we know that there was bags placed on their head. We know they're dead, but how did
they die? >> Yeah, so the petechiae is going to be one of the telltale signs of what may have happened
to them. And I say may have happened to them because when once we get the medical examiner's
report, it's a little inconclusive. So, it's both deaths ruled a homicide, no doubt
about that. What becomes a problem, and not a major one, but something that is undetermined is
that they can could not tell if they died from asphyxia from the bag being placed
over their heads or from the tightness of the duct tape around their necks. So, maybe it may been a combination of
both. To put it short and and not sweet at all, they died of lack lack of oxygen.
Both of them. And one thing that is unique about this case, and I think it's usually important, not always, but I I
think here, given the crime scene and what we're seeing at the crime scene, and some things that we've hinted on
already here, Captain, is there was some concern to try to determine who died first.
And they were not able to conclusively figure that part out. Now, what the crime Here's what the crime scene is
telling the experts. That some kind of struggle with Johnny went down either outside, just inside of, or at
that man door. >> Right. >> The service door leading from the garage to the home. So, signs of a struggle
there, and they they believe that struggle took place between Johnny and the intruders. That's how the
intruders gained entry into the home. Now, unfortunately, Now, look, none of these cases are easy
to talk about. None of the details are easy to talk about. But, what the crime scene indicators are
telling the investigators is that when this is happening, when the commotion is heard by Lisa, she
tries to run and hide. So, she runs upstairs to the upper level to her room, closes and locks the door behind her,
and it's believed that she attempted to hide underneath her bed. The intruders go up the stairs,
kick in her door, >> Mhm. >> and drag her from out underneath of that bed. Unfortunately,
a couple of things could have happened differently that that may have saved at least Lisa.
Had she fled out a another exterior door, rather than flee to her her room. >> Yeah.
>> Um there was a fire escape upstairs that she could have potentially gone out of.
And her cell phone, unfortunately, was found was believed to be in another part of the home. So, she flees up to her
room with no chance of calling anybody for help while she's in there. Now, look, we
>> This case sucks. >> mean to scare anybody, but we do get these false senses of security, right?
Like we we close our bedroom doors at night because we're told as children that if there were to be a fire that you
can you can check the touch the doorknob and see if it's hot. It will prevent smoke from coming large amounts of smoke
from coming into your room. Lock the lock the door so that you have one more barrier between you and a
and an intruder into your home. Those doors, those bed our bedroom doors, they're not strong.
They're Rarely are they even solid doors. They're usually hollow doors. >> Speak for yourself. Mine are solid
doors. >> In most cases, Captain, they are hollow doors that are easily easy to kick in,
number one. >> Exactly. Or I mean, I've seen I've seen people punch right through them. Forget
about kicking through one or using your body to throw into the door. She did She went into flight mode.
She's 20 >> years old, man. She's a little kid. She's a kid. >> She She did what a kid would do. You see
You see something that you don't understand that scares the hell out of you, and she she attempted to run and
hide from it. >> Yeah, there's a if I'm law enforcement, that the call that the friend hears Johnny say, "Bro,
what are you doing?" To me, that points to one individual, but we we again, we don't know. Did he see one individual
and then the next individual made themselves known after that after the disconnection of that call.
But because there's two victims, and like you said, I mean, Johnny's not a small guy, and you have to move that
individual, the amount of ransacking in the house, this again, it points to at least two.
>> Mhm. >> You know, I I don't think if you're law enforcement, you can rule out the
possibility that there's even more than that. Uh because you have to then bound the these individuals, and that would be
very difficult, and we don't have any evidence if the intruder had a gun or not.
So, again, sometimes you can control multiple victims by yourself if you use a gun or
you use a weapon or there's some other threat, but in this case, it just seems like
it's brute force. That's what was used to control these victims. >> You're exactly right that you don't have
any proof that that the intruder or intruders did not have a firearm, but what you do have is you have proof
You have things suggestive at the crime scene that they did not, right? They They did not use a firearm to kill the
victims. There's no bullets that are found. There's no bullet holes that are found.
There's no loud gunshots that are heard by anybody in the neighborhood. And then
you have these clear and obvious signs of a struggle. One at that man door, which is Johnny fighting off whoever's
coming in, and also somebody busting through Lisa's bedroom door and dragging her down the stairs.
And so, those Those struggles are indicative that one, you're not able to control them
with the firearm. You have to use, as you said, brute force. And then on top of that, the premeditation, right? We
don't know what it is premeditative of, but binding that that knowledge of going
of knowing in advance, you know what? We should probably bring some duct tape with us
because we're probably going to have to bind one or two of these individuals at some point.
>> Well, I bet and I would bet money that they if they brought the duct tape that
they brought the bags with them as well. >> One thing that That's I think that's fair to say that,
but keep in mind we have the Strobs saying they believe the the bags came from somewhere in the home.
And they would know better than us. But, here's the thing, Captain. One thing that that is going on immediately
early on in this investigation, and one thing that police will continue to struggle with throughout the course of
this investigation, is the Tiffany Williams telling them that Johnny's saying, "Bro, what are you
doing, bro? Who the hell are you? And they are trying to decipher what they are hearing second hand through
Tiffany Williams. Does anything that that Johnny is saying in that moment, does that tell them that
he can that he knows who this person is or knows the people or one of the people
that are attempting to invade the home? Or does he not know them? And Tiffany Williams and law enforcement
will have changing and differing opinions at times in this investigation about that matter. But the other thing
we also need to consider, again, unfortunately, Johnny's not here to tell us his side of that conversation, of
that short phone call that took place at 10:41 p.m. that night. We only have Tiffany Williams to tell us what she
says that Johnny said on the phone. >> [music] >> So much [music] more to get to in this
case. You're going to have to join us back here in the garage next week. But until then, Colonel, do we have any
recommended reading for the beautiful listeners? >> This week, Captain, no surprise here. We
are recommending Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community by the great Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. In 1967, Dr.
Martin Luther King Jr. isolated himself from the demands of the civil rights movement. He rented a house in Jamaica
with no telephone and labored over his final manuscript. Here he lays out his thoughts, plans, and dreams for
America's future with a universal message of hope that continues to resonate. King demanded an end to global
suffering, powerfully asserting that humankind, for the first time, has the resources and technology to eradicate
poverty. Check out this week's recommended reading, Where Do We Go From Here, Chaos or Community by Dr. Martin
Luther King Jr. You can find that title and many great other recommendations on our recommended page
at truecrimegarage.com. And until next week, be good, be kind, and don't litter.
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Original Release: 10-11-2023

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In early 2011 near Toledo, Ohio a home invasion became a double homicide investigation. This was a night that shook an entire community. What happened that night? Why were these two victims seemingly targeted? Who could do something this heinous and evil to two people that were so young. This case can still be solved. Join Nic & Captain in the Garage and find out how. If you know any information about the murders of Lisa Straub and Johnny Clarke please call Crime Stoppers at 419-255-1111, or the Lucas County Detective’s Bureau at 419-213-4917, or reach out to reporter Brian Dugger at bdugger@wtol.com

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Brief Summary

Johnny Clark and Lisa Strob were murdered in their home, leading to a complex investigation into the crime and its motives.

Key points

A Disturbing Phone Call. Tiffany Williams alerts Johnny's parents about a disturbance she heard during a phone call.
The Shocking Discovery. Johnny's father discovers his son and girlfriend bound and unconscious in the home.
A Father's Despair. Johnny's father kicks down the door and finds his son and girlfriend unresponsive.
Unraveling the Crime Scene. Investigators find signs of struggle and an empty wallet placed on Johnny's stomach.
The Ransacked Home. The crime scene shows signs of struggle and ransacking, raising questions about the intruders' motives.
Missing Items. Two knives and duct tape were missing from the home, suggesting premeditation.

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