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foreign [Music] there were a new developments in the search for a little boy who's been
missing for four days now Kyron Horman vanished from his Portland Oregon Elementary School on Friday since then
police have received more than a thousand tips but so far have come up empty the search for seven-year-old Kyron
Horman is well into its fourth night and so far nothing foreign state and federal agencies are now
involved searching the thick wooded area around kyron's Elementary School stopping cars handing out flyers and
pleading for information Kyron we're gonna we're gonna bring you home buddy um nothing is more important to your family
your friends to us Chiron was last seen by his stepmother after a science fair at the school early Friday morning
walking down a hallway toward a second grade classroom she says he was wearing this CSI t-shirt and dark cargo pants it
appears he didn't make it to any of his classes and his teachers just considered
him absent for the day his stepmother reported him missing when he didn't come home on the school bus Friday afternoon
coming out here you haven't found him this long it's not a good feeling but it just seems to have evaporated Into Thin
Air and that's that's just scary and even with more than 1200 tips to follow up on police are still asking for more
and kyron's mother has not spoken publicly public publicly yet she says she doesn't want to jeopardize that
investigation and authorities are now calling Chiron a missing endangered child but have yet to say whether he was
kidnapped or just wandered off thank you [Music] foreign [Music] on Friday June 4th 2010 seven-year-old
Kyron Horman is driven to school by his stepmother they get out of the car around 8 A.M just afterward and they
attend the science fair for a little bit that day now his stepmother is the last
person to see him this is at the Skyline Elementary School in Portland Oregon and
Chiron is in the second grade now he's last seen around 8 45 a.m this would be during the hours of the science fair
which was to take place from 8 to 10 a.m that morning and he's not seen in attendance at his first class that day
which started at 10 A.M now on yesterday's show we got through the Friday June 4th and the events that took
place he was eventually reported missing this would be before 4 pm that day and a
full search was conducted of both the Chiron hormann home and the school that he attended in the rounds nearby and
then where we left off was the start of that Saturday June 5th well on June 5th at 5 a.m the Pacific Northwest search
and rescue this is another Search Group which was called by the sheriff's office
they joined the search effort soon after this time and when they arrive on site there are already about 60 to 70 people
involved in the search a little after 9 A.M that day the Associated Press receives its first official notification
that Kyron Horman is missing via email the subject line was Sheriff's Office continues to search for seven-year-old
Kyron Horman and at this time there is a tip line that is created as well on noon that day
there's a news conference and at that news conference a sheriff's spokesman says that the search for Chiron is still
a missing person's case and not a criminal investigation the Portland Public School District uses its rapid
broadcast system to alert staff and parents of skyline school students that were at school on Friday to come to the
K-8 on Sunday for a briefing by police and federal agents quickly in this case the law enforcement is going to ask for
help from the FBI but they're also going to get the National Guard involved in the initial searches yes because that
evening the FBI National Guard they joined the search effort and that afternoon a complete immediate grid
search around the school is conducted now after 10 pm that day a Facebook page is created for supporters of Chiron and
his family the next day Day on Sunday June 6th just before 9 A.M chiron's stepmother Terry post on Facebook and
says she has ordered missing persons Flyers her words I ordered 1 000 Flyers they will be coming to our home I will
let people know when they are here so we can go from there thank you everyone around this time the FBI announces that
they have brought in a Quantico virginia-based profiler to create a profile of the missing boy
just before 10 a.m that day students and their parents return to the skyline school to be interviewed by detectives
50 detectives are on hand for interviews that continue until 4 pm that day now my
understanding is Captain they they try to organize this thing best that they could because they have students and
parents arriving to be questioned by detectives and interviewed and they set up a system where they actually
interviewed the older students first you know we mentioned that this was a k through eight so they started with the
older kids first working their way down to the younger ones which makes a lot of
sense because we'd assume that their eyewitness statements from older students would be just more reliable
yeah they'll hold more weight and this is an urgent situation if he's in a situation where he's in danger you need
to get to him as fast as you can so you want to check for those most likely credible tips first one interesting
thing about this search is I mean the Big Grid search that you were just talking about because I mean I guess one
of the thoughts would be well if he was unsupervised during this science fair time uh from like nine to ten o'clock
who's to say that he didn't just walk out of the school right and wander off but then how much distance is this
seven-year-old going to cover so that that's why they did that giant grid search like you were talking about yeah
and that later that same day relatives begin Distributing missing person Flyers with a photo of Chiron and this
description that he is three feet eight inches tall 50 pounds blue eyes brown hair and last seeing seen wearing black
cargo pants white socks and black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim at 9 00 PM the sheriff's department they
escalate chiron's disappearance to a missing endangered child case but they do not call it a kidnapping at this time
on Monday June 7th early in the morning 8 teen certified search and rescue volunteers resume sweeping the area near
the school as deputies canvas the neighborhood handing out flyers and jotting down license plate numbers of
passing Vehicles along Northwest Skyline Boulevard that is a very clever idea and
for those of you wondering why would they do this this seems a bit random what they're doing here is they're kind
of casting a wide net because okay this is Monday morning and at the time that they're doing this this would be roughly
about the same time that Chiron would have been at school and then had gone missing right and so in this same time
frame they just want to get a general idea of who would be typically passing through this area during that time by
jotting down those license plates the the similarities here is it's a business day just like it was on Friday it was a
school day just like it was on Friday who would be traveling who would be you know this would be somebody's normal
route well maybe they're a suspect maybe they happen to see see something that day that they don't realize is of
importance I think the other thing too is possibly if somebody took Chiron then possibly they're coming back to the
scene of the crime yes and around 8 45 a.m that day classes resume at Skyline school counselors are on hand and they
also set up some kind of counseling hotline this would be to answer questions and obviously offer help to
people that are traumatized or saddened by this situation now on the same morning kyron's stepmother Terry she
posts on Facebook that she is hitting the gym um and this is met with a lot of a lot of
frown faces let's say a lot of people a little bit upset that she seems to be hitting the gym and posting that she's
hitting the gym on Facebook while a whole bunch of people were out looking for her stepson
now on Wednesday just two days later Wednesday June 9th uh in the morning Terry she makes her Facebook page
private which makes sense because she's received a lot of flack for her hitting the gym comment that she made
at 11 A.M on that Wednesday an FBI spokeswoman announces that the Horman family is not speaking to the media
because they do not believe it is in the best interest of finding Chiron at noon
news briefings begin this is with the sheriff's department uh Sheriff's Captain Mike Schultz reads a statement
from kyron's family stating kyron's family would like to thank people for support and interest in finding their
son the outpour of support and continued effort strengthens their hope I mean other than the non-support about the
Facebook comments yeah we need for you folks to continue to assist us in our goal please search your properties your
cars outbuildings sheds Etc also check with neighbors and friends who may be on vacation or may need assistance in
searching their property so this is we've seen this in several cases before this is kind of a cry for
help to the public to the general public while this is where the search to me becomes pretty sad because it's pretty
obvious that this is a criminal case it's starting to look that way it's been three days he's still gone now on
Thursday June 10th and Friday June 11th the search resumes but this time the search expands to a place called Savvy
Island which is a I understand it's about six miles from the school uh obviously there's a lot of water there
this is also kind of a very inhabited area I guess a lot of a lot of fields and things like that so they've they've
expanded the search to the Savi Island at 1 pm they're going to have a press conference this is the clip that we play
in part one of this four-part series yeah you hear the stepfather speaking at this press conference as well as kyron's
father now by this point we're we're one week removed you know one week after The
Disappearance and still no Chiron now on that Sunday June 13th at noon the Sheriff's Office announces that the
massive search for Chiron has ended and the case has been shifted to a criminal investigation this was a huge search you
know lasted over 10 it lasted 10 days by this point one of the largest in State history
they have checked to a two mile radius around Skyline school and also parts of Savi Island the Sheriff's Office also
announces it is looking for any video footage of traffic on several different Portland area roads in the general area
near the school it's clear to me that the FBI is involved because I mean some of these ideas that they're coming up
with these are things that have been missed in other cases correct now before we move on past this weekend I want to
talk about some things that happened within the first week of the search for Chiron was Terry working out more
um yeah apparently I was posting she posted uh five times on Facebook that she's working out yeah well it was she
went into the oldies she went to the gym at least on the day that he went missing
and then again on early in the week after um you know it's strange because at one
point she was some type of was into bodybuilding it was a hobby of hers for a short period of time she even
participated in competitions so when you hear that part of her life you think well this is somebody that was very
regimented and probably working out was a daily part of their life she was many years removed from from that Hobby and
she wasn't as regimented as one would think a bodybuilder to be because like I said this is this is five six years
after she last competed and she had a child yes and so I don't think she was working out that often it seems or maybe
you seem a little weird though that maybe some time has freed up in your life and the gym becomes more of a
priority uh I don't know how much she was doing this before The Disappearance you know
yeah so then look it's not that weird that she drops off uh you know her stepson at school and then she goes to
the gym that seems like a normal activity especially if you're trying to get involved it's not even that probably
abnormal if somebody you know I get stressed out pretty easy one of the things that can relieve a bunch of
stress for me is I've you know run a couple miles or lift a little you know a couple weights sometimes that helps uh
so maybe that's what she's doing I think the downfall here is that you posted on
social media like you said while you're why people are searching for your kid I think I'd also have a really hard time
doing anything other than searching right and I think that's you know kind of suspicious there
and like you said I mean at one point she was in in really good shape she probably it looked like at one point she
went to the gym and she hit the weights hard and now she kind of looks like she goes to the gym and
um eats ice cream all right I got a little sidetracked we got a little side track there but some things that of
other questionable behavior that I wanted to bring up before we move on past this weekend here so sometime
during the first week that Kyron is missing some news reports start coming out about Kane's brother remember Kane
is kyron's Father uh his brother his brother's name is Christian the news is that back in 2008 Christian molested his
15 year old stepdaughter uh he was caught and convicted for these charges but it wasn't until 2009 that he was
arrested for this and then in June uh he started to serve his sentence this was for a third degree charge so he served
like about a six month sentence in this so he would have been out of prison at the time of chiron's disappearance he
was investigated pretty heavily and looked at pretty pretty well early in the get-go and he was cleared uh for
good reason I'm guessing uh very early into this investigation but it's something we should buy should mention
yeah they don't State what it is but I'm guessing that he had a solid Alibi and then we also have the situation Captain
where we get a story from kyron's stepmother Terry that she's at the gym no this is a story that seems a little
different than the story that we've already been told okay so what is the previous story was that she last Saw
Chiron walking toward his classroom his first class classroom door his feet from
the door approximately at 8 45 a.m when she leaves the school to go about her day
in this second story she sees him in this same general area but this time Chiron is with an
unidentified male an adult so we have we have this edition of this unidentified person popping up in the
Second Story here yeah so what do you think of that I think it's very fishy um I I think as far as a parent goes
when you're being asked when the last time you saw your missing child whether it be a stepchild or your own that
you're probably visualizing everything that you thought you saw and I you would you would
include anything you know what I mean like possibly have you ever like I've been asked questions by the police
before for what for things that I that I may have witnessed or may not have witnessed but what I tend to do when I'm
in those situations is I want to lie I want to be as forthcoming as possible so usually I will even include things that
I think have no relevancy to what they're talking about well no I'm just I can see a law enforcement guy
interviewing you and then going this guy is just telling me a bunch of nonsense to throw me off the scent no but let me
give you an example okay because I'm trying to help be as helpful as possible so let's say if if a detective asked me
hey Nick on Friday at noon did you see a brown car on this road my answer would be probably a little more than he'd want
maybe but I would say I didn't see a brown car but I remember seeing a blue car you know it right right it may have
something to do with the the situation it may not but I you I tend to think of everything I could possibly think of and
then include it in my statement what I'm getting at by this is I don't see that there's a way that she's asked about the
last time that she saw her stepson and all of a sudden now this dude magically appears in her memory yeah yeah I mean
I I get what you're feeling for me though it's like it might have been one of those things where it's like I don't
know I yeah I don't know exactly what happened I saw him walking towards his room and maybe he was talking to one of
his friends or whatever and maybe she just didn't you know at the time it wasn't that big of a deal I mean they
probably asked her this first question like the day he went missing right and then maybe as she was pondering it or
the fact that people are like well there's no record of him being in the homeroom
and maybe that bothered her and as she kept pondering it and pondering it maybe she was like well you know what
hypothetically speaking what if she's like well I saw him with this kid and then they talked to the kid and the kid
doesn't remember then at some point she was like oh well there was this there was this man that
was close and maybe he could um you know have my story make sense or maybe he had some idea I just saying
it's not it's not out of the question that somebody would remember uh start remembering a little more details as
time was passing you would think that that story would come out sooner but again I don't think it's super nefarious
you know I get it I get it but I'm I'm thinking that that she would have been questioned
and ask questions many times over and over again about that story very early yeah I would hope so but
we're talking about a situation where we have by the end of Friday the same day that he went missing their home had been
searched so I'm guessing just by that I'm going to go with should probably been interviewed by police by that point
maybe more than once by the by the morning the next morning the FBI has arrived and they're on the scene I bet
you she's questioning again at that time we don't know what notes right but what
notes were they taking what was recorded did she did she ever mention this in passing you know I think it's
you know it's an interesting point but I think it's one of the pieces of this case that kind of gets brought up a
bunch like well she changed her story but it's like but she didn't change her story much it was just oh it's just the
addition of this guy right and there might have been an adult uh a male adult chaperone by him it's a possibility but
I think some people look at it too even if you don't look at it as changing the story because but let's stop this
because that's what it is it's changing this it's a different story okay um with the addition now we have the
edition of this dude is that taking is that adding that's adding to the equation a possibility no I look I agree
but I I think change in the story is is one thing if she you know if there was a big
change of the story I to me this is addition to the story so that's where I'm saying that that's the difference
for me but is it any different than saying I last saw him with a python next to him
um yes yeah yeah I know those words are different there's a human and there's a pipe python right but what I'm getting
at is I think the implication here is that I last saw him by himself now I've last seen him with
probably his abductor or a python right I get your point though right I mean because we're talking about we have a
few possibilities that took place he ran off on his own somebody that knew him took him or somebody that didn't know
him take him right so when when you when you throw out there that oh I saw him with some dude well now all of a sudden
you're throwing out something that likely could be the outcome of what took place it's it's
a very big addition you know uh I I get that it's not totally changing it's adding but it's a very big addition to
the story we'll get right back to Facebook posts and Python's right after this quick beer break
foreign [Music] cheers mates cheers Captain well now we're going to get to the juicy stuff
okay because on Monday June 14th the Sheriff's Office sends divers to Savvy Island where divers can be seen waiting
in waste high water near the Savi Island Bridge well why does this Savvy Island keep popping up and why do they keep
going back there to search well we have to talk about some cell phone pings going off of the tower that is located
there yeah the famous cell phone pings and as so far as we can tell Terry the stepmother who was in charge of dropping
Chiron off at school that day may have been the last person to have seen him in the school
well she gives an account of what she was doing that day and remember we have that window where she's driving the
toddler around to try to ease her earache and help her fall asleep well she can be you basically gotta say
she's unaccounted for during that time frame well they her phone her cell phone pings
off of that tower that is located on Savvy Island so the issue here is police and investigators are working on the
situation that she may have been on that island during that time and like we know
with cell phone technology it is possible that the Ping happened on that island but she wasn't on the island
right but we can assume that maybe that ping is right and she was on that island
at some point during that Gap right and at no time did she ever tell investigators that she was on Savvy
Island now we don't know much about this area because we don't live there but I wonder if it's like you were saying
before when we're talking on the phone you said but wouldn't you know if you're on an island right but again it's like
one of those things where it's like it's only six miles away from the school right so it's like I don't know the area
that well so I don't know if it would be possible for her to be to be driving around and not for sure if she ever
drove on the island or not so from my understanding is this cell phone tower on Savvy Island would be the second
closest one to where she would have been that day okay so but we the problem is like you
said that doesn't we we know this now back in 2010 it might not have been so clear but we know now that sometimes the
the phone call or the pings don't necessarily go to the the closest Tower right where you are located because
there there is that glitch and we've learned that from other cases I believe that was one thing that was discussed
quite a bit in the Adnan Saeed case um so I think I think we have a situation here where they're probably
right to be searching the island but I don't know how much weight we can put into this because
there's a chance that she she could have pinged off that Tower never have been on
that island that day now that brings us to Tuesday June 15th um at 8 45 a.m this is the final day of
classes for school uh for the Skyline Elementary School and of course they end school that day at 3 P.M we want to be
clear about this date because there was some news uh interviews that came out early in this case where somebody
misspoke and said that uh that school was actually the last day of school would have been the day that Kyron went
missing yeah it was actually an investigator so it became a big thing because everybody's going well this
investigator said that it was the last day but yeah it wasn't the last day yeah I believe it was a retired uh Sheriff's
Department investigator um the problem with this why why is this such a big deal what day the last day of
school was well because there's an issue because Terry at one point had told kyron's teachers that he was to have a
doctor's appointment on Friday right and the way that it's reported is that she simply said he's having a doctor's
appointment on Friday well this causes a lot of confusion because he went missing
on a Friday the issue here is that the teachers are saying that it no red flags went off when he was absent from school
that day when he was missing classes because we had been told by the stepmother that he would be at a
doctor's appointment later Terry would tell investigators no I was speaking about the following Friday right which
again it's just it depends on when she said this to the teachers and did they hear her right or did she misspeak uh
who knows right but I think this is one of those things where we have a He Said She Said She Said She Said situation
um you know and it just might just be one of these unclear things but one of the reasons that people point this out
is they think that if they told this the teachers on the Tuesday hey he's going to be absent because of
this doctor's appointment that that would give no red flags on why he'd be gone from the school right and that's
why people keep pointing this out so on that same Tuesday the last day of school
um we have the Sheriff's Office releasing a photo of a pair of glasses that are just like the type that Kyron
was wearing when he was last seen and then at 3 30 that afternoon the Sheriff's Office releases a new version
of the photo of Chiron at his school science fair this version created using photo editing software shows what Chiron
would look like without his glasses so what the what the heck does this mean well this this is very interesting
because now I think we have a situation where they they've had time to think this through and anybody that looks at
kyron's picture as a captain said or he's a he's a cute kid he's very very cute kid but he he does wear these big
glasses that can potentially distract you a little bit from the features of his face right well
what if he was abducted or removed from the school against his will and at some point he loses his glasses because of or
some kind of scuffle or the abductor says hey take your glasses off yeah and throws him out the window of of the
abductor's car right so now we we need to be concerned that we could very potentially be looking for the exact
same boy without this identifier of having glasses on the other thing is if you think that that story is plausible
or it's something that may have happened well then you also should be looking for
these actual glasses yeah I think they brought this up because there was a bigger lead that maybe that we don't
know about or they didn't discuss because I mean obviously you're going to look for you know a pair of glasses that
are just laying in the middle of nowhere you're going to be looking for possibly
a CSI shirt you're gonna be looking for a bunch of different things of this little boy now two weeks after Chiron
has been missing the Sheriff's Office releases a flyer asking parents and kids about June 4th the flyer has photos of
Chiron Terry his stepmother and a picture of a pickup truck which is similar to the one that she was driving
on the day that he went missing right the family approves this flyer and it's then sent out to the public
and this kind of paints a strange picture here right because we're not at any point having the Sheriff's Office
say that Terry the stepmother is a suspect right but this flyer kind of points to that yeah because now they're
asking hey have you seen this boy okay if you haven't seen this boy have you seen this woman and have you seen this
pickup truck or any of the three you know two or four three together all of them all of them together I mean because
that's the big thing here is I mean she's driving around town with her daughter in the car and she also has her
stepson in the car wouldn't there possibly be an eyewitness out there that would see all three together
and then we have on Thursday June 24th the kyron's family releases three home videos and 200 photos of Chiron uh this
you know trying to get a different image and different angles of this kid to get
more things out into the public so everybody keeps looking for them on Saturday June 26th at 5 17 p.m the
first of two 9-1-1 calls were made from the Horman residents this first call comes in as a
quote-unquote threat call and the sheriff's deputy responded to the call later that same day this is just before
midnight a second call was made from the Horman residence to 9-1-1 this call has
been classified as a custody issue so going back to the threat call is that somebody threatening somebody else or so
that would be my guess because really that's all we have to go off of but here's what we do know we can use some
other information in this to to figure out what that threat call was that's probably some kind of domestic
disturbance or domestic situation between Terry the stepmother and Kane the father right and the reason being is
the second call is a custody issue well Chiron is missing uh the only other kid that would be at the home at this point
would be their daughter that they had together oh yeah but they have the older son but by this point he's moved out of
the home okay so there's only one child in there and that child has the has both
parents lived together in this home right because here's the issue at some point and I don't know the exact date
but I do know that it took place sometime after those two nine one nine one one calls on a Saturday and before
like let's say midday on Monday right Kane kyron's father he moves out of the home out of the family home and he takes
the daughter with him when he leaves so I think it's obvious that there's some kind of there's some kind of argument or
thing that escalated between the two of them within the home that at some point led to him leaving with his daughter I
think he's sick and tired of her sick and tired of her posting about her workouts on Facebook well then we have
on okay so let's talk about Monday June 28th this is uh People magazine comes out on this day and it's important
because this issue featured kyron's story now we have Terry's father Larry uh he's interviewed and he told the
magazine that she has that Terry has been subjected to repeated interviews of up to six hours each and that the truck
she was driving on the day that Chiron disappeared has been inspected twice now yeah but the problem with that truck is
if you're gonna find DNA evidence of that little boy being in the truck because that's her his father's truck
yeah I don't think I don't see anything strange with her being interviewed or the truck being inspected uh I think
that there's been there seems to be some kind of focus on her at this point and that's what he's
being asked about and furthermore he's asked whether he thought that his daughter would be arrested to which he
applies or replies with tears in his eyes it's probably 50 50. now later that afternoon Terry denies
the news that her husband and daughter had moved out of the family home stating everything's good giving a thumbs up to
reporters saying that we heard that rumor it's just a rumor that needs to be squelched everything is fine
look I mean I I look I know you can't like he's trying to make fun of people the
way they look you know but I mean she kind of looks like a turtle okay and I'm just picturing that little turtle with
the thumbs up everything's good he he took your daughter and he left his house right not you know
there's this is not time for thumbs up well yeah and I mean she's probably getting information to not be speaking
about this yeah yeah of course uh as much as what's going on and who knows what took place with inside those four
walls on that Saturday um now that same day kyron's father mother and stepfather
they asked the Sheriff's Office to release a statement stating they were cooperating in the
investigation now the Stepmother's name Terry's name was obviously absent from this statement
so basically you have the the Sheriff's Office releasing a statement saying we have four parents three of them are
cooperating one of them is not with this investigation yeah but again if she's doing six hour interviews I mean she's
cooperating on some level Terry is also served with a restraining order on that day and she's not supposed
to be near the family home or returning to the family home until that you know order is lifted now
Cain the the father of current does he say that she made threats during an argument or
What's Happening Here well because there's a restraining order so normally you have to show proof of why you need a
restraining order well we're about to find that out because on Sunday July 4th okay so we're so now we're just about a
week after those 9-1-1 calls and we are just about what six seven days after the restraining order
yeah we have a newspaper that reveals that a landscaper who worked for chiron's family at their home told
authorities that the missing boy's stepmother offered to pay him to kill her husband
he said that Terry approached him with a murder For Hire plot approximately six to seven months before Chiron
disappeared and she reportedly offered the landscaper a large sum of money this story or this part of the story is super
odd to me yeah because the because what you're going to tell the listeners is that the husband
he's pretty shocked that you know she would try to hire the landscaper to kill him but he's also pretty shocked that
they have a landscaper right so let's get into this because this is really a big part of this case
so we have this situation we would later learn that the investigators informed Kane about this murder For Hire plot
and it was shortly after that that he moved out so I'm thinking he finds out she may have tried to have me killed
right so now now there's going to be probably some 9-1-1 calls that involve some kind of domestic thing and then a
uh I'm taking the kid and I'm I'm going to Idaho you know um because you'll never find me there the um
because he likes potatoes well let's take let's take a look at this because the situation is this the landscaper
comes forward tells the police about this situation the police try to do some form of Investigation they hook up a
wire to this guy they return him to Terry with a with another guy you know and Terry's like oh who's who's this
dude you know I thought you and I were talking about some things and he goes hey I'm not going to do this I'm just
going to be the middle man right you know this is going to be the supposed Hitman uh that we're going to use for
this murder For Hire plot the thing is Terry never says anything to incriminate herself when they are recording these
conversations she actually waves it off and says I don't know what you guys are talking about I don't know why you're
here right and so that is is pushed aside real quick as far as the police being able to do anything with this
information or with this story now the way that I've heard that the way that I've seen this reported and what I've
read says that the landscaper would tell police that at no time did she ever directly
say to him when they were one on one you know would you kill my husband and I will pay you X number of dollars that
never happened that conversation never happened according to the landscaper what he says is that he that she
approached him and through conversation she told him that her husband was a very
abusive man um and that he often walked around with about ten thousand dollars on his person
and basically implying that if if it looked like a mugging and he ends up dead the person that did
the mugging could walk away with quite a bit of money yeah I just don't know how
much I believe this landscaper at all you know because yeah they might you know she never uh asked me to kill him
she just kind of implied it and it's like yeah but maybe she just implied that she wasn't happy in the marriage
and this guy's kind of a jerk of a guy and yeah he cares around money I mean who knows right I mean and then and then
the big thing to me is when did the cops learn about this did they learn about it
before The Disappearance did they learn about it after The Disappearance right because that's where all the weight of
the situation comes and the words that are used come into play because had this guy come forward before Kyron went
missing well then you say well this I would lent I would tend to believe that this likely happened that this
conversation happened and that he believed that he was supposed to kill this this man this abusive husband but
don't you think this mucky's up everything like if you knew about this before The Disappearance you couldn't
prove anything and then if you learn about this after The Disappearance and you couldn't prove anything after The
Disappearance then given this information to the father doesn't that just like make every Everything really
Mucky right yeah and here here's why I tend to believe that it's it's more likely that police learn about this
situation after Chiron had disappeared we're talking about a situation even if they even if they wiretap right and they
come up with nothing right don't you think that they're going to approach the potential Target at some
point to at least notify him that there's a chance that your life could be in danger yeah do I mean I would think
they would have an obligation to do that but yeah so maybe I don't know that's a tough one I
mean at the very least don't you think you're getting a phone call from the police saying do you know so and so he
says he's your landscaper I mean at the very least and then we hear later the father saying I didn't even know we had
a landscaper right and the the problem with this and we were talking about this earlier is
what if this landscaper's just full of [ __ ] because one the parent the father says
I didn't even know we had a landscaper right and I was telling you I think for you not to know that you have a
landscaper and we disagree on this but for me if I if I didn't know I had a landscaper I'd be like well and this guy
works from home like a few days a week like at some point you you might hear like the lawnmower going off or some uh
the blower going off and you see a guy walking around your house you probably should assume you have a landscaper this
guy doesn't even know he has a landscaper and so you brought up a great point which I I didn't even think about
before but you know what if this landscape is just completely lying about everything to be involved in the
story right just to be involved in the story and now again you have this really odd situation because yeah there's some
stuff that's already pointing to the fact that Terry uh the Stepmom is a little fishy you know we're a little
turtley whatever you want to say well I think I think the thing here is okay I didn't even know we had a
landscaper and I know you say that it seems crazy that somebody wouldn't know that they have a landscaper I think the
problem is that when we hear in one sentence somebody say she offered their landscaper that worked
at their home money to kill her husband I think we immediately leap to the conclusion that this guy worked for them
long term like every week yeah right there there is a chance that that possibly this
he may have just come out and gave them a quote on something right right or he may have just came out and
fixed or did one job on one day train some trees and they have that conversation after that job or during
that job about hey my husband walks around with ten thousand dollars you should bust up his kneecaps and kill him
you know so um I I think that that I don't think we should look too much into his this guy's
occupation or how often he worked for I think it's very likely that Kyron you know that that Kane didn't know that
some guy on one time came and worked at their home right but that's the thing about this I I really think there's this
is a big piece of the puzzle and there's so many blurry parts of the story there's so many questions we don't know
and if it's like if they it'd be great if there was just an interview about this with Kane and I think what you're
getting at what you're right to say so is that well why then would this random landscaper just come forward and and
talk about this story well we know that all of these in all of these cases the ones that get all this public attention
and that are on TV and in the newspapers one especially cases involving kids Crazies come out of the woodwork we have
people that say that they're involved in the crime people will come forward and say they
committed the crime people will come forward and say that they saw things that they didn't see or that things
happen that didn't happen so did it happen we don't know now if you believe that it did happen it man it's
not very far for you to go well if she did that then she probably did something or is responsible for chiron's
disappearance it's a huge red flag it's a this red flag is as big as Idaho there's red flags and somehow pythons
and turtles have weaved their way into this tale and then at the end of the day what we have is we still have a missing
little boy seven years old we have this and and it's not so much a search for him anymore of course they're going to
keep searching for him right but this has changed from from looking for a little boy to now we have a criminal
investigation here and these minutes these hours these days are crucial very crucial on top of that we have all this
weird speculation coming out but we also have the step parents and the parents there's a lot of feuding going on when
you think a time that the family would come together we're just adding gasoline to the fire
yeah and this is a really big case this is a huge case and that's why we are excited to be able to do uh part three
and part four on it that will come out next week but we got a lot more stuff to get to we do have some recommended
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Kyron Horman /// The Search

Part 2 of 4

The Search...

It's a parents worst nightmare... You send your kid off to school and you think they are safe. Once they get inside the four walls of their school nothing bad should happen. In June of 2010, 7 year old Kyron Horman was dropped off at his school. His stepmother last saw him walking to his classroom. She left when Kyron was just feet from the classroom door. When school was let out, Kyron was to be picked up from the bus stop. When the bus arrived and let the kids out, Kyron was not there. Sometime during the school day he was taken from his school. Tonight we discuss the tragic story of a missing little boy.

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Brief Summary

Kyron Horman disappeared from school in 2010, prompting extensive search efforts and investigations into his stepmother's behavior and potential involvement.

Key points

The Disappearance of Kyron Horman. Seven-year-old Kyron Horman vanished from school, sparking a massive search effort.
Search Efforts Intensify. State and federal agencies join the search for Kyron, who is now considered endangered.
Suspicion Surrounds Stepmother. Kyron's stepmother faces scrutiny for her behavior during the search.
Criminal Investigation Declared. After ten days of searching, the case shifts to a criminal investigation.
The Last Person to See Chiron. Terry, the stepmother, may have been the last to see Chiron before he went missing.
Murder For Hire Plot Revealed. A landscaper claims Terry offered him money to kill her husband months before Chiron's disappearance.

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A plea for information about Kyron Horman's disappearance.

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