Kyron Horman /// The Disappearance | Forensic Files

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chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] my name is Tony Young and I'm Byron's
stepfather our families ask me to speak on their behalf today I would just like to say Kyron we miss
you we love you and we need you home right now we're doing everything we can to work
with the law enforcement and the search and the rescue crews to make sure that you can get back to us as soon as
possible we want to say how much we appreciate the outpouring of love and support
prayer and thoughts as we wait for you your school friends and their families the teachers the staff at your school
and the community as a whole have shown how much impact one little boy's smile can have on a community
you mean everything to us and until you come home this family is not complete please Chiron keep up the hope
we believe in you and we know we will be back with us soon I'd like to now introduce kyron's father
Kane Gorman [Applause] hi I'm Kane Karen's father we want to thank the community the
parents the children bus drivers and all of those or who are being interviewed multiple times to help my car
thank you we as the family know how difficult and stressful this is when your memories and
statements can help us find Kyrie we will never be able to thank you enough for that help
finally we would like to thank the media if it was not for you showing Chiron on
every newscast printing his story in the papers his face would not be known to everyone
people from around the nation have seen his picture this helps tremendously please help us bring iron
[Music] it's a parent's worst nightmare most of us have been there you turn your head
only for a minute and when you look back your child is out of sight your heart sinks your muscles tighten and your mind
begins to race you're stunned and you're shocked at the same time but just as your mind races towards strange and
scary thoughts you see your child again running and playing everything is fine then you tell yourself you're crazy to
think such things you reassure yourself I'm a good parent and that would never happen to my kid we live in a safe
neighborhood and my kids go to good schools where they have plenty of friends and good teachers looking after
them we are safe my children are safe but unfortunately that is not always true but Don't Panic it's it's rare it's
rare for a child to be taken by a stranger but even more rare and even more rare occurrence is a child taken
from their school this is not supposed to happen our schools are a place where our children should be safe from a
predator but then again that is not always the case now our story today is about Chiron
Horman and he was born in Portland Oregon on September 9 2002. this series is about Chiron
however there are a lot of key players a lot of people that we need to discuss in
this case a lot of moving Parts as some would say and I think we should take some time here Captain to set this up to
explain the family of Chiron to everybody's before we get into this so it doesn't get confusing later alright
so let's start with the fact that kyron's parents are divorced and Kyron lives with his father and his stepmother
the majority of the time yes uh so the father is Kane Horman and the stepmother is Terry Horman uh Terry was born in
1970 she was adopted she spent her younger years growing up in California and then later her family this is a
family of five moved to Oregon she married when she was 21 married a guy that she had gone to high school
with in 1994 she had her first kid her son James in 1995 Terry and her husband split up now the following year Terry
married for the second time her second husband would later adopt Terry's son James this sounds like James's
biological father may have had some trouble keeping up with the child support payments there were some
financial troubles on his end and with Terry now remarried she had been suggesting to James's biological father
that he allowed the adoption to take place in 1998 Terry started college and later
went into teaching at elementary schools as a substitute teacher she had a lot of
long-term contracts as far as being a substitute teacher in 2002 Terry and her second husband ended up getting a
divorce so now the second husband is paying Terry's child support um after this divorce in 2002 Terry met
Kane Horman and they began a romantic Affair at this time Kane is still married to his wife
Desiree his wife Desiree is pregnant late in the pregnancy with their son Chiron
Desiree files for a divorce when she is eight months pregnant shortly after Cain and Desiree's son
Chiron is born then we have Cain and Terry and her son James they the three of them move in
together Desiree starts having some health problems and these seem to be I don't
know the specifics but they seem to be pretty severe it's some kind of kidney problem or kidney issue like a long-term
deal and she's trying to recover from them it's once she gets sick that she gives uh Terry the stepmother and Cain
become the primary Caregivers for Chiron when you're right after she's sick okay
yeah so catching up with chiron's biological mother Desiree after the divorce she would eventually marry a man
by the name of Tony Young and they would move to Medford Oregon go ahead and this
is going to be her third marriage correct yes so it's actually a similar situation when you think of both of
these women we have Desiree Young who's the biological mother of Chiron she's been married three times by the point of
this story um her first marriage she had a child and then she met Cain after they were
divorced from her first husband and they got married and then this affair happens
and they split up and she moves on with her life right now she has two children correct and then we have on the other
end we have the father Cain who is was once married to Desiree has this affair and then he ends up married to Terry
Orman right so if your head's spinning right now I apologize but uh okay so Chiron lives
with Terry his stepmother correct and Cain his father and so a lot of times in this story we'll just instead of just
using their name we probably should say his father or a stepmother and then uh his mother Desiree and her husband Tony
they live together so instead of calling them by their names we'll say mother and
stepfather now and even though Terry and Kane the stepmother and father started their relationship in 2002 it wouldn't
be until 2007 that the two would get married in 2008 the stepmother Terry gets pregnant and the two have a
daughter together alright so we have father and stepmother and then we have Chiron
we have his half-sister she's younger and his stepbrother that's older that's one household living in the greater
Portland area yes right and then about 300 miles away we have his mother and stepfather and possibly
um like a stepbrother correct I don't know the child situation at that household but it's but it's the
stepfather and his mother living in Medford Oregon as you said about 300 miles away and these characters are the
main pieces of the puzzle of this case correct and in the clip that we played for the trailer You Hear The Stepfather
Tony Young speaking first and then you hear chiron's biological father Cain speaking second and not all the
time when there's a blended family is there a healthy Dynamic so what do you think the dynamic was you know before
The Disappearance okay well here's my thoughts um they seem to be a unified group of
four people um we have a situation where the stepmother she's involved with Chiron
from a very young age I mean he's an infant when when when she's in his life right uh which which is because she's
banging the father why the the mother was pregnant okay there are some things to talk about there but before we get
into that the the one thing that's like that's a little bit of a slap in the face is you have the situation with
chiron's eventual stepmother who she's on her third marriage but she has her child with her first marriage and then
she moves on gets a divorce and we have a situation where she remarries and then
she's saying you know what first guy you're having trouble keeping up with these child payments
um maybe maybe you should uh let my current husband adopt your son well that's all well and good right that I
mean that could make sense I guess but but then ultimately you end up splitting up with that guy and now he has taken on
the child support payments for a child that he adopted here's my thoughts and I'm not trying to give advice to anybody
because you know the ladies out there want to go there's this this is such a dude comment yeah but there's like a
detail you're missing so like they get married then she convinces him or maybe he wanted to hey you know the guy's
paying for the kid anyways because they live together and they're like hey adopt
my kid but I think maybe maybe it was nefarious and then it's like hey we're gonna split and then she said to him hey
what do the five fingers say to the face slap slap and then she's like now you got to pay for him you know for the rest
of your life and or until he's 18. yeah but what I mean here Captain is I'm not trying to give anybody any advice on
what to do you got to analyze your own life your own situation make your decisions on what's best for you but you
kind of hinted on something there for a second because my thought would be as the second husband my thought would be
well what do I really care if this guy can't keep up with the payments or if he's having some financial trouble
I'm I'm assisting my wife and paying for the the raising of her child anyway the
kids taken care of right they're we're not increasing any any financial obligation uh that I already have by
making this a legal deal yeah but I I'm assuming that the stepfather did it because he loved the kid uh but it but
that's also nice too though for the stepfather because once they did divorce uh I mean I think he would have some
rights I could be wrong since he legally adopted the kid he would have some rights to actually see the kid yeah
I guess he was paying a small uh stipend every month for the child support and at
some point Terry had requested an increase of about um now that see that's wrong it was
pretty small though she he was paying like 120 100 I don't have the numbers in front of me but it was pretty small it
was like a hundred and twenty dollars a month let's say yeah which is is not enough to raise a kid obviously but and
I think she requested that it be increased to 500 a month um which is probably more accurate what
it takes to help raise the child but it seems like a significant increase when you're starting to talk about 120 a
month right but also if you're going uh after child support let's go after the biological father to pay this so it
seems like a lot of time and effort to kind of keep screwing somebody over but in her defense we don't know how that
marriage turned out or why it ended right now for all we know this uh you know or tell on one side of the story
but you know if I told you hey well they got married and this guy became very abusive and controlling and possessive
then we might not be thinking that she's such in the wrong for doing this and then we have the situation where she
meets Cain and Kane at the at this point his wife is at home and she's late in the pregnancy with their child yeah and
then some type of relationship begins between uh Terry and Cain and then he's got to get a divorce you know his wife
Desiree files for a divorce very late in her pregnancy I was reading somewhere that uh infilled infidelity and
marriages goes up quite a bit during pregnancy during the pregnancy which is become pretty sad yeah
um again though I guess it's another one of those situations where we don't know
all the ins and outs of their relationship you know and the thing is I I think it's easy to point out and go
you know what this cane guy is a pretty bad dude for running around on his pregnant wife yes that's that's easy we
could easily say that and I think everybody would agree with us the problem I have is that I I've learned
later in my life to try to quit judging who the bad guy or bad girl is and these
relationships when they don't work out or when somebody's doing something wrong because I've proved myself incorrect
multiple times just from people I've known growing up and throughout the years you know where I might think this
has you know I'll be friends with both of the people involved in the relationship and I'll be like you know
this this my buddy this husband I don't know that he's he's a great guy like he he doesn't work a whole lot he seems to
really enjoy just kind of drinking beer and playing video games more than being a grown-up yeah all he does is drink
beer and do a podcast yeah and you're like how does this this this wonderful woman stay with him and then you know
later I end up finding out that uh she's running around on him and that's why she's gone all the time so it's like you
know you you think you know who the bad guy is and you really we don't know when
we look at our friends in our family we don't we don't fully know the the complete eliteness of the relationship
and what's going on yeah I thought you're going to show example of somebody that cheated that maybe wasn't in the
wrong like you know where I look cheating is bad you shouldn't cheat on people but right there are situations
that you hear the story and you go oh that makes a little sense yeah I guess I didn't really present it from the total
opposite perspective you know I didn't do a 180 on anybody I actually ended up right where I started yeah and I thought
of another I thought of another story of some of some friends of mine that ended
up in a in a divorce and but really it's not any different than the story I just
told so we can we can skip but there are some times where like people have been in a relationship for a very long time
and the other person isn't affectionate or doesn't care and basically just acts like their buddy or you know and then
the it leads the person to cheat you know eventually but you know they they basically didn't you know bound check
wow wow for a couple years and then they just like I can't take it anymore and I
and that's probably the only time that I'll ever tell somebody like yeah it's probably okay that you cheated you know
um even though I'd I'd start with how about you just break the relationship off first yeah you know if if you're not
bounce like a Wow Wow for a couple years then maybe it's time to move on yeah but anyways
we're speaking of moving on we should move on because now everybody's out there judging us as we're talking about
people that we that we know and let's get back to something we know something about and that that is crime uh and
let's get away from this uh Dr Phil stuff yeah we'll get into The Disappearance of Chiron Horman right
after this quick [Music] foreign [Music] let's fast forward to Friday June 4th 2010 the place is multiple County Oregon
uh Kyron Horman is seven years old at this time and he is attending Skyline Elementary school he's in a split class
a second and third grade split class and Chiron is in the second grade at 8 A.M Skyline Elementary opens early
so students and parents can tour the science fair the school sign outside reads June 4 science fair slash expo
from 8 AM to 10 a.m and then there's a talent show from 1pm to 2 45 p.m now Chiron was to take part in both the
science fair and the talent show that day he's going to be driven to school that day by his stepmother and they're
going to arrive a little bit after 8 A.M yes and Terry the stepmother she drove her husband's vehicle that day this is a
Ford a white Ford F-250 the reason for her driving her husband's vehicle is that for the science fair there's a
presentation that's going to take place and every parent that's had a child involved in one of these things they
know that you got to transport all of their things for their for their setup at this science fair Expo and these can
be large large things you know you have a diorama and things of that nature I'm not certain I believe that those items
were technically dropped off the day before where they were placed and housed somewhere in the school and then later
set up in this area that people would tour and view these things my understanding is that Terry the
stepmother drove the F-250 to school that day with the intention of picking those items up when they were done and
returning them to the home so in the father's truck we have Terry the Stepmom we have Kyron and then we have his
half-sister with them as well and she's just she's pretty young correct and so so the stepmother doesn't just drop
Kyron off she actually goes into the school with him and the reason for this is she's going to tour this science fair
with Chiron um and so we know that both of them were there they set up this area where you
have more than one classroom where you set these things up so there's you know multiple rooms that you're going in and
out of to view what the students have put together and at some point Kyron is going to pose in front of his uh science
fair project and she's going to take a picture of him later she posts that to Facebook but this is also going to be a
you know probably the most famous picture of Chiron yes and at around 8 15 a.m Gina Zimmerman she's the PTA
president that's the parents and Teachers Association PTA for short she arrives at the school and she sees
Chiron with his stepmother in front of his Science Fair exhibit the stepmother and Kyron spend a little time touring
the science fair together so Kyron was brought to school as we said by his stepmother and then she stayed with him
for a while and attended the science fair we know this because of the eyewitnesses statement around 8 45 A.M
Terry the stepmother she's getting ready to leave the school and she says that she watched Chiron walking toward his
classroom she then leaves the school after watching Kyron walk toward this classroom he's he's feet from the door
of his classroom and I know you stated the date but this is a Friday and this has been reported by several people that
it was the last Friday of the year but this is not true correct there would be more than one more week of school after
this Friday around 10 a.m classes begin for that day remember the we said the Expo was to go from 8 AM to 10 a.m at
some point kyron's homeroom teacher this is Christina Porter reports Kyron is absent marks him is absent for the day
now one thing that's going to be very tricky for us Captain is persons involved in the investigation well some
have declined to provide some details of the investigation including when school
officials marked Kyron Horman as absent on June 4th okay what does that mean well obviously that would help narrow
down when he's last seen the issue here is a lot of the early reports that came out and still a lot of the reports to
this date state that at some point he is marked absent um what what I find to be probably more
true is that at no point is he marked as attending so let's dive into this a little bit we have the stepmother saying
that she takes Karen to school she has the daughter with her they go to the science fair she takes a picture of
Karen about 8 45 or so Kyron is going to head to his class yes and this is going
to be his homeroom but the homeroom doesn't actually start till 10 o'clock and then she claims like she never
actually sees Chiron go into the uh the classroom but you know he's at school so
he's safe so she leaves that's the story but we have no record or as far as like
what the school is telling us is they came and tell us if he's marked in attendance at home room correct it well
as far as reporting goes it's reported that at some point he's marked absent this day
um after this 8 45 time frame now what what I find to be true is nowhere do we ever see it reported that he's a marked
he's marked as attending a single class right but we have eyewitnesses and obviously the photograph that proves
that he was at the school he was at the school correct yeah but they didn't take
attendance during the science fair no no they wouldn't do that so now we have as
the captain said we have let's go to 1 21 p.m uh Terry Horman the stepmother she is at home she's returned to her
home and she posts photos of Chiron at the science fair on her Facebook page then at 3 30 PM we have kyron's father
Kane his stepmother and his little sister uh they go to meet the school bus well when they get there
Chiron doesn't come off of the bus and the bus driver informed them that Kyron had not boarded the bus after school
that day so then the bus driver was asked to call the school and ask where Kyron could be
she informed the school she was informed by the school secretary that Chiron had
not been in school since early that day and that he had been marked absent the driver she reports to the secretary that
she did not have Chiron and therefore he was missing you know so we have the parents don't have him he's not on the
bus and the school's saying that he's been absent since early that day right at 3 46 PM the skyline school secretary
this is Susan Hall she called the 9-1-1 call center using a private phone number
assigned to the Portland Public Schools district to report that Kyron was missing the 9-1-1 call center then
reported this information to the police at 4 33 that day officers from the Portland Police Bureau and the multiple
County Sheriff's Office arrived simultaneously at the school and at kyron's home
at 5 30 pm there is a rapid broadcast message from the Portland Public Schools this goes
out to alert families that there is a missing student the message is Kyron Horman did not arrive at home today it
was broadcast to the phones of parents across the school district so we have roughly about seven hours or so of kind
of confusion roughly about nine o'clock in the morning as the last report of anybody saying that they've seen him
that we know of and then by the time he's reported missing it's about seven hours later yes
at 7 pm a Multnomah County detective notifies the County's on-call coordinator for search and rescue
efforts to begin in a formal missing person search for Chiron now between seven o'clock and 7 15 the county public
information officer begins to return pages from members of the media in a range of to meet them at the school
at sometime between 7 and 7 45 that evening Sheriff Dan Stanton calls the FBI to alert them regarding the child's
disappearance now I applaud this this move right here that the sheriff personally called the FBI you know you
and I when we were discussing a case that took place locally here the FBI got involved in that case and we learned
some things from that situation as told to us regarding the FBI and how they should be and when they can be and when
they can't be involved in an investigation and as far as what information is used at a later date
regarding their findings and we learned one thing from from that case was that if if they're involved from the
investigation immediately you can use anything that they they found and they will likely stay involved until the case
is closed why I also think it's just pushing your pride aside and saying hey look the important thing is that there's
a seven-year-old kid missing let's get all hands on deck yeah more more than often we're reporting on cases where
we're saying you know they were called in six months or a year after the case uh or we're sitting there going why
didn't they ever call the FBI we so we have we have one of those rare situations where we get to see the FBI
called immediately but we do have a lot of missing person cases a lot of missing child cases
actually in Oregon so this is something that they deal with probably more than a
lot of other states now shortly after 8 PM uh the first search teams arrive at the Skyline
Elementary School yeah at 8 15 PM we have a lieutenant Mary lindstrin uh she arrives at the school she meets with
those present at the school and then begins emailing a photo of Kyron to local television stations and uh local
newspapers at 8 25 PM the search and rescue coordinator uh he arrives on the scene
they have uh what they call Mountain Wave and emergency communications and search and rescue group that arrives on
the scene as well just before 10 pm at 10 40 PM officers at Skyline Elementary report that they have completed a search
of the Skyline Elementary School which includes all crawl spaces Storage storage areas classrooms and
outbuildings they have also searched the Chiron horman's home by this point at 10 44 this is this is interesting
here Captain a caller somebody calls into 9-1-1 and they're aware of the search they're aware that this kid is
missing you know we said that that uh that text blast went out to all the parents in the in the district yeah and
this 911 caller wants to make sure that officers have checked the train tunnel that is in the area near the school she
says that sometimes kids play in there and she just wanted to make sure sure that someone had checked that out okay
using that information they go and check the train tunnel isn't there also some woods behind the school as well yes this
is a rural area you know when we say Portland we think of a big city but I think this is out on the fringes uh you
know in the greater Portland area so yes there there would be Woods in this area
when we talked about having the seven hour timeline yeah or the the Gap basically but I don't really think that
that Gap is really that important I think it's more important to find out from the school when they noticed that
he was missing and was that in homeroom because if it was homeroom then we have like we said homeroom starts at 10 if
Chiron never gets into the home room now we have a 8 45 to you know 10 o'clock gaps about an hour and 15 minutes this
case is also difficult too because you know at some point they got to question these students but these
students are you know six seven eight years old yeah um well let's let's go through that so
okay so what do we end up learning about that day because by the end of Friday June 4th we have Chiron seven-year-old
Kyron who's reported missing the authorities in my opinion do a fantastic job of searching a good amount of area
uh covering both the school and chiron's home as well and unfortunately finding nothing not finding Chiron but also not
finding anything to lead them to believe they know where he could be um so let's let's go through what we've
learned about that day after the fact so at 8 45 A.M remember we have Terry Horman the stepmother she says she's
getting ready to leave the school she says that she watched Kyron walking toward his classroom and she then leaves
the school after watching him walk towards that classroom however here's the thing we don't know I cannot
honestly say that we know for certain exactly when he is first marked as absent for the day but what we can say
is we don't have anybody that says they ever saw him in his first class starting
at 10 A.M well yeah and the problem with this too is you look it's not out of the
question if you're dropping your kid off at school there's science fair going on
you take a picture of them at you know you probably help them with their project I mean let's get real most the
time your parents just do your project for you and he's seven um you know yeah it's these things can
be complicated to put together but they can be fun to work with together as a family yeah well he's you know he's a
very cute kid and uh you know has kind of a goofy little smile and and he's wearing his uh CSI t-shirt you know for
for the science fair so that's that's cool and but if we're to believe Terry the stepmother which believe her story
that she lets them out of the site and now we have a seven-year-old that's roaming around the science fair you know
area basically on chaperoned really I mean the rooms are chaperoned but the kid isn't so that's an hour and 15 minutes
of what could happen did he wander off was there uh somebody there to abduct him
well I think what we need to get away from is when was he marked absent because he's never marked as attending
so in my opinion that's kind of a dead end lead because that leads to too much of a gap too much of a window so let's
talk about eyewitness reports and statements we have multiple people multiple adults that report having seen
Chiron and Terry together at the science fair so we know that took place we know
we know that we have that picture as well I think that their statements fall into place with what Terry what the
stepmother said she left approximately 8 45 a.m that day we also have we have no
person we have no student we have no teacher in that first classroom that classroom that he is walking to that
that Terry says that he is feet from the door we have no person in that room that
was in that room stating that they saw Chiron in that room that day right during homeroom so like I said 8 45 to
10 o'clock that's our Gap no what I'm saying is if he was feet from that door when she turned her head and left
I'm I'm going off the assumption that he was walking as she said into his classroom getting ready to walk into his
classroom we don't have anybody that was in that classroom at 8 45 or 9 o'clock saying that he entered that classroom
so right I I get that but there's also a lot of commotion it's basically a uh open school and so maybe he walked in
maybe he walked out but what I'm saying that to me is the most important thing because we have an hour and 15 minute
Gap right uh we do have we do have eyewitnesses that say that they saw his book bag inside that classroom okay so
there's varying accounts of that that it was either placed on the coat rack you know sometimes they have those little
Cubbies along the the one wall and you could place your coat in your book bag and other things over there and then
there were reports that it was placed either on his chair or on his desk well then my question would be and I would
assume uh you know just having years of the stepdad role I mean if I was going to drop the kid off with a project we're
going to walk into the school we're going to go to your classroom first and drop off your book bag and then we're
gonna go set up your project correct I'm assuming that's what happened I don't think that that means Chiron had to have
entered that school room that class room after 8 45. we do have a situation that
takes place around 9 A.M this is later reported to police Chiron is reported seen by a student near the
South entrance of the school and he is seen alone what is the age of the student
um I don't know that they they might not they might not report it and a lot of these reports from the students they'd
never say the age and that's difficult because they could have been a six-year-old I actually believe that
there's probably a report somewhere that might name this boy or might give an age
on him and I say that because the reports I found on this said and we're not going to name him so I don't know
maybe maybe there is a report somewhere that reports his age this though is according to Dan Stanton who says that
this may be the last time that the boy was seen now later Multnomah County authorities would later Backtrack on
this statement and I think this is because of what you and I were kind of getting at
um this is from a statement from a little kid and it could be if it's one of the younger students it could be like
you said six seven eight years old um so we have to decide do we trust that information you know did this kid
actually see Chiron on that day at that time at that location I I'm assuming the
kid's not lying that they actually saw Chiron I'm also going to assume that it's on that day the issue is going to
be you know can this swallowed a bug the issue is going to be can this student even tell time right or
yeah or does he does he know exactly what time he thinks he saw Chiron correct um I do want to point out that
we he said that he saw the or I'm sorry I shouldn't say he the student says that
they saw Chiron near the South entrance of the school I do want to point out here that there are eight access points
to this school building I think the interesting thing to pull away from this is I understand that the sheriff's
department then backtracked on the statement or law enforcement backtracked on the statement but we have a student
claiming that they saw Chiron by himself on that day now if we assume that that students write that they that it was
that day and it was roughly around that time is in the morning we have reports from adults that Chiron
was there with the stepmom and probably at no point like especially when you go to drop off your kid
you just kind of wander around with your kid because you don't know where to go you don't know the school that well
right so so the fact that the kid did see Chiron alone I think that's evidence of something possibly it's possible but
here's my gut feeling and I think this is why this is my guess as to why authorities
would later Backtrack on that statement okay so they get this statement from this this small child who sees Chiron
Alone by himself at the South side entrance we don't know I mean he could be seven foot tall we don't know how
small he is so they they released this statement to the public and what I think we have here is they've
they're going to speak to teachers students they're going to speak to everybody involved and it's going to
take some time it's going to take days to accomplish that but you also you release this statement to the public
in hopes that somebody that it jogs someone's memory and they go you know what I was in the back of the school or
where you know I was near the South entrance or exit to this school and now that I think about it I think I saw him
there as well around that time yeah and you hope that somebody has witnessed the
same thing and comes forward I think why you Backtrack on that statement is because later by the time you've
interviewed everybody and you've questioned everybody and you've put together your timeline you have and
nobody comes forward you have no other person other than this child one particular child that says that they
saw Chiron and I think that that's why they Backtrack on the statement that they couldn't find anybody else to back
this up like you said it's a double-edged sword because you have this situation where you have the school
science fair going on yes it's a lot of commotion it's a lot of people moving around it's a lot of people in and out
of doors but at the same time it's also potential a lot of eyewitnesses in and out of doors and walking around and in
the same area right so chiron's gap of about an hour or so that bothers me but the other gap that we have in this story
is Terry's Gap I mean she is dropping the kid off so she's leaving the school she's in the school but she leaves the
school about 8 45 9 o'clock and then she there's no whereabouts of her till about
one or two well okay so let's go through that because she's extremely important as you point out she's the last person
that we think may have seen Chiron well she's the last parent of of his so we have the Stepmom her statements to the
police indicate that after she left the school at 8 45 a.m as she ran some errands uh this would take her to a
local grocery store this is the uh Fred Meyer store and she says that she ran these errands
until about 10 10 a.m because okay so let's let's go through this situation and we can back up some of this
she's actually spotted at this Fred Meyer store by someone else at 9 15 a.m okay okay and then she spotted at a
second Fred Meyer store at 9 45 a.m and these eyewitnesses do they see her with any children yes both times that she is
seen inside a Fred Meyer store she is spotted with her daughter so this is the situation the child is a toddler very
small at this time is suffering from some kind of earache so the stepmother Terry goes to the grocery store the
local grocery store in search of a specific medicine for the child at the first stop at the first time she goes to
Fred Meyer Grocery Store she does not find the medicine that she's looking for so this makes her go to a second
location where she does eventually find the exact medicine that she's looking for now one of these eyewitnesses says
that they found Terry's Behavior to be somewhat strange that day uh when she spotted her at the grocery store stating
that that Terry wasn't someone that would would you know often speak with her or carry on a conversation with her
right but for some reason on that day she went to the extent of not only talking with her for quite some time but
even whipping out her phone and showing the pictures that she had taken earlier that day at this at the science fair uh
to this person in the store how's that odd I I don't see it to be odd other than the fact that this
person's saying that she found the behavior to be odd so Terry after the two trips to the grocery store to get
this ear infection medicine she's going to head to dry cleaners the old local dry cleaner yes and at this stop this is
a very quick stop you run in and you get your dry cleaning you run back out she's
not spotted with her daughter on this stop but here again we have another eyewitness stating that they have seen
Terry around this time so we have her from the time she leaves the school at approximately 8 45 a.m to the time that
she's last seen over an hour later um we have eyewitness is backing up these statements then we have a
situation where we have Terry by her own words telling the police that between about 10 10 am
in 11 39 am she states that she drove her daughter around town this is an attempt to use
you know you try to sue the child some kids fall asleep very easily in a car this kid is suffering from an earache
and she's saying that you know what I drove the kid around for a while to try to calm the kid down let the medicine
take its effect and hopefully put the kid to sleep because everybody knows the best way to get
through a cold with the least amount of pain is to in discomfort is to try to sleep the thing off
yeah I I don't know much about driving kids around like little babies to get them to sleep I don't have no
information about that but it to me it seems like a hour and a half time it's kind of long it seems yeah like a you're
right an hour and a half 90 minutes of driving around hoping to soothe the child and but but let me know obviously
any Mothers or fathers out there I mean maybe that's not that weird I don't think that it's weird to drive them
around I think you're on to something here that maybe the length of time that we're talking about seems more strange
than the than the actual driving around I don't think driving around Parts weird
but you know parents reach out to us let us know of an hour and a half it's a little too ridiculous so then around
um just after 11 39 she is at a local gym um that morning and where she worked out
for approximately an hour okay so you said 11 39 so like we have a pretty like a time stamp like maybe she had a check
in or they had surveillance cameras so I mean it's a pretty hard 11 39. yes and you know usually with these gyms we all
know you have to check in you have a key card or something of that nature they're
usually they usually know when you're there um I also believe that this is the type
of gym where you can have them watch your younger child you know they may have a little play area or something of
that nature so you can work out uh even if you have a child with you so she's there for about an hour on the kids with
her yes um and then she is it says by 1 20 p.m she had arrived home back to Chiron in
the Horman home uh where she lived with her husband and how do we know that um well we have her husband uh at home
okay because he worked from home several times a week and we also have the situation where she is posting the
pictures on Facebook from her home computer right so we know she was physically there at this point
um like you said the husband Kane he sometimes worked from home it's my understanding that he worked
um a short day that day and had returned home and he was having lunch around the
time that she arrived at the home uh they had promised to uh take Kyron out for ice cream after school because he
did all this hard work on his project um kind of a reward one Summer's right around the corner so this is something
you kind of do as parents you know and so it's Friday you start the weekend off nice you know it's a good good thing
yeah so then at three around 3 30 p.m that day he the stepmother and their daughter walked down to the bus stop to
collect Chiron and hopes to go to get ice cream then it's noticed that he's he's been he's missing not only is he
missing he's been missing for quite some time in all hell breaks loose right my big question is what is the time stamp
of the dry cleaners you know we obviously have her in the supermarket about 9 15
to let's say 9 45 so we basically have 9 45 to um 11 39 that's the Gap we have but if we have the dry cleaning record
at at 10 o'clock or 10 15 then that shortens the gap of well and I think the Gap should be shortened
um and this is a good good thing you bring up here I don't have the time stamp for the receipt of the dry
cleaning nor do I have a time from the eyewitness that placed her there right um but what I do have is Terry's own
words stating that from 10 10 a.m until about 11 39 a.m when she arrives at the gym when we know she arrived at the gym
right right that she was just simply driving around and there's nobody there's no report of anybody disputing
anything before 10 10 a.m so it could be that that there's some report or somebody knows something that she was
spotted at 1005 or 100 8 or 9 right but we have an hour and a half Gap correct of driving around to soothe the young
toddler's earache all right so the day of The Disappearance where was his Mother where was chiron's Mother his
mother Desiree would have been in in the City of Medford which as we pointed out
is about it's about 275 miles away uh so about a four hour drive from the Portland area and his stepfather is the
one that's a detective same thing The Stepfather was in the City of Medford that day going about their regular
Friday daily lives so the day of disappearance we have uh two gaps we have a gap in the story well we actually
have three gaps we have a gap in chiron's uh timeline we have a gap in Terry the stepmom's timeline and there's
kind of a gap for me with the father's timeline as well yes because all we know about his
timeline is that uh he goes off to work he returns home and he then sees his his wife and plans to
go to the the school the bus stop to pick up his son yeah and I would argue that if the FBI got involved right away
they probably have some activity on the home computer I don't know if you can prove who was making that activity so I
just want to leave that as a question mark this is just part one of a four-part series yes and we got a lot
more to get to with this a lot of questionable Behavior through the next few days and weeks coming up but we also
have a search that's really kicking off and we'll pick up there on tomorrow's show
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you so much we're going to get into the search for Kyron Horman in tomorrow's episode until then be good be kind and
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Kyron Horman /// The Disappearance

Part 1 of 4

The Disappearance

It's a parents worst nightmare... You send your kid off to school and you think they are safe. Once they get inside the four walls of their school nothing bad should happen. In June of 2010, 7 year old Kyron Horman was dropped off at his school. His stepmother last saw him walking to his classroom. She left when Kyron was just feet from the classroom door. When school was let out, Kyron was to be picked up from the bus stop. When the bus arrived and let the kids out, Kyron was not there. Sometime during the school day he was taken from his school. Tonight we discuss the tragic story of a missing little boy.Beer of the week - Liquid Sunshine by Breakside BreweryGarage Grade - 4 and a half bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Kyron Horman, 7, disappeared from school in 2010; hosts discuss family dynamics and timeline of events surrounding his case.

Key points

Emotional Plea for Kyron. Tony Young expresses the family's deep love and longing for Kyron's return.
A Parent's Worst Nightmare. The fear of losing a child is described as a parent's worst nightmare.
Safety in Schools. The narrative emphasizes that schools should be safe havens for children.
The Disappearance of Kyron Horman. Kyron Horman is reported missing after being last seen at school. The timeline reveals confusion and gaps in attendance records.
Stepmother's Errands. Terry Horman, Kyron's stepmother, claims she ran errands after dropping him off, but eyewitnesses spot her with her daughter.
Terry's Grocery Store Trips. Terry makes two trips to find medicine for her child, raising eyebrows.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This family is not complete until you come home.

Tony Young's emotional plea for Kyron.

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