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grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime foreign [Music] Horman is seven years old he attends the
Skyline Elementary School in Oregon he is in the second grade now on Friday June 4th 2010 the Skyline Elementary
opens early at 8 A.M so students and parents can tour the science fair Terry hormann kyron's stepmother arrives with
Chiron at school shortly after 8 A.M we know this to be true because there are several people that spot the two of them
together during the science fair at 8 45 a.m Terry Horman is getting ready to leave the school she says she watched
Kyron walking towards his classroom and then she leaves the school at 10 A.M classes begin and at some point kyron's
homeroom teacher this is Christina Porter reports and marks him as absent now wouldn't be until about 3 30 p.m
when kyron's father and stepmother go to meet the school bus the bus driver informed them that Kyron had not boarded
the the bus after school the bus driver was then asked to call the school and asked where Chiron was the bus driver
was informed by the school secretary that Chiron had not been in school since early that day and had been marked
absent the driver she reports to the secretary that she did not have Chiron and neither did the parents therefore he
was missing just before 4 pm the school secretary notified 9-1-1 of the boy being missing the 911 call center then
reported this information to the police and shortly afterwards the search for Kyron Horman began so that's a quick
overview of what happened that day and if you want more information on that we have the Kyron Horman disappearance
episode and the search episode and sadly enough he went missing back in 2010 and to this
day Kyron has not been located and since then we have had a lot of suspicions cast on the parents of him
and his inner circle people looking at them as suspicious and them casting suspicion upon one another yeah early in
this case we had a united front we had four parents that were trying to find this boy as the case would develop we
start seeing conflict between the parents yeah and as we saw during the search for Chiron you know that Unity
quickly fell apart now there's been plenty of opportunity and plenty of time that has gone by since he went missing
for these parents to talk about their thoughts of what happened to Chiron who could have been involved in this and a
chance to defend themselves we thought it was important for you to hear their thoughts and their feelings coming
straight from them let's listen to kyron's Mother Desiree as she describes the day that he went missing I got a
phone call from the school and she said is this Desiree Young And I said said yes it is and she said you're listed as
emergency notification for Kyron Horman and I said yeah he's my son what could I do and she said I have to
notify you he's missing and for a split second I thought it was a joke and I said what she said he's missing
I said I don't understand how could I be missing I said okay where is Terry and Kane well
Terry's here all right thank you and I hung up with her and immediately called Terry
and I am cussed a little bit said what the hell is going on and she said that they went to the
science fair and everything was fine and she waved goodbye to him and he went into his class or so she thought
there was something in my gut that just didn't feel good I had told her I'm coming up there and she said you are
and she seemed surprised at that which I thought was strange I said of course I am I'll be there in you know four or
four and a half hours kyron's mother tearfully describing a phone call that she will never ever forget and then
shortly afterwards calling Terry kyron's stepmother who who knew beforehand you know she's known for a little bit of
time now maybe it's minutes maybe it's an hour an hour or so by this point the chiron's missing and Desiree says that
Terry seems surprised that she would be hopping in the car and going to their house immediately to figure out what's
going on right and it's a pretty long drive yeah it's going to take them what four or five hours to get there but I
mean this is your son if your son's missing of course you're jumping in the car and you're going to assist in the
search and you hope that at some point on that drive your cell phone rings and they've located your son and it's just a
big misunderstanding well she's claiming that it's suspicious that the Stepmom would say well why are you coming I I
again I think with a lot of these little tiny pieces of evidence that people are
going to speculate on it goes both ways right there's a part of you that it's like of course the mom would drive four
to five hours but maybe the step mom's just thinking hey he's going to turn up she might have been thinking there is no
need to worry yourself there is no need to jump in the car and drive four hours we got this we'll find him now we also
have Tony Young who's married to kyron's mother now he's going to have an interesting perspective on things
because he works in law enforcement I was watching the investigation right from the start I
explained to each each person that now our lives are not private anymore that the investigators are going to want to
know uh very detailed information about our lives she instantly started to express some displeasure at that and and
not want it feeling like she was persecuted and I thought that was kind of an unusual reaction that early all
right a couple things to unpack here first of all yes your child is missing so you got to be an open book right if
you're going to help law enforcement it's also better I mean we've talked about this look if you're if your spouse
was murdered chances are you're going to be investigated right and you just have
to be okay with that uh I understand people still want in their privacy I understand that people maybe don't want
to air some of their dirty laundry but you know this is going to happen so I I think it was smart that he set everybody
down and said this is what's coming here's the storm that's coming and we if we band together it's going to be better
yeah and you can speed up the process too if if you can get everybody on board and everybody is willing to talk with
the police and the investigators you can speed up the process to where that circle is no longer around the immediate
family and the circle gets larger and the potential for finding Chiron increases the problem here is you hear
Tony kind of honing in on Terry's reaction to him saying hey now we got to be an open book almost you get the sense
that in not so many words he kind of seems to be saying you know what Terry seems to to think that they should
just be out there looking for Chiron they shouldn't be looking at me or looking at my husband or you or him they
you know we should not be the focus or the microscope here they should just be worried and busy out looking for Chiron
and obviously according to Tony she's very uncomfortable with that idea yeah and that maybe seems a little fishy we
covered another case the Missy beavers case and her husband was very forthcoming Brandon beavers and he was
very Cooperative with the police and and his thoughts was like of course I'm going to be a suspect and of course you
have to roll me out but the the more I talk to you and the faster you can rule me out the sooner that we can actually
get to the bottom of this now Terry she's the stepmother and her husband Kane kyron's father will have an
opportunity to defend his wife she like the rest of us is extremely committed to fighting Chiron and and
she's working extremely hard with investigators as are the rest of us to help bring him home but his story is
going to quickly change yeah very quickly because just 22 days after Chiron disappears he's informed Kane is
informed by the detectives involved in the case that Terry may have tried to hire someone to have him killed yeah and
this is something that we could speculate a lot later into let's just try to get where they're at but again
because of this information coming to Cain coming to chiron's father he's going to kind of change the way he's
looking at the Stepmom oh yeah it's a 180 man he wants getting this information he takes the daughter that
he had with Terry and he leaves the house and here's some of his thoughts on this new information I didn't believe it
at first it was something that I couldn't even wrap my head around at the time there's been no indication in your
marriage that things were that bad or that she was upset with you no do you think she is capable of hurting a child
if you asked me before this situation my answer is no based on what I know now I
don't know I think anything is possible based on the way things have gone over the past
few weeks you fear for your safety now Cain for your daughter if you're for my daughter
and so your message to her now is is what Kane fully cooperate with law enforcement tell the truth there's some
telling things in there Captain the first thing that kind of jumps off to me is that you know when asked did you ever
see anything like this coming you know talking about the the possible murder For Hire it it you know we have heard on
many shows many times where people have had attempts against their life and they've been asked the same question and
you usually get one of two answers you get no I had no clue as what what Cain said or you have the other that was yes
well but no you no you not yes you get this person yes had shown some violence towards me in the past have threatened
me or threatened to do this or that against me right but I never thought they would do it so what what I'm saying
that this is telling of is Kane doesn't seem to he doesn't seem we don't get the
idea that there's any threats that at any point Terry threatened him or was violent towards him uh this seems to
really come out of left field for him right or or that there was any signs at all that she was a neglectful stepmother
the other thing here too when asked do you fear for your life or do or your daughter's life you know he says I fear
for my daughter well what does that come from that comes from there was a situation after Cain left the home and
with his daughter once the two had been you know not legally separated but they had split up by this point there had
been it on at least one occasion where Terry had gone to Kane's gym remember we said that the gym that they had they had
the little kitty section you know where you could you could drop your kid off they would be entertained and watched
during your workout session there was at least one occasion if not more where Terry went to that gym asking if Cain
was there and if the daughter was there now she never said this to anybody but we have
the employees and and people that attended the gym that said that they believed that she would have taken the
daughter had had the daughter been there when she arrived on those occasions right but that's evidence of nothing
that's just their thoughts but but it's it's reason to understand his concern for his safety of his
daughter when you have you have her just randomly showing up at the gym and asking employees about the whereabouts
of her daughter here's a clip of that Terry was inquiring if King was here working out
and then she asked if her daughter was here in our kids club and the comments she made well if she
had been here I would have taken her you think she came here to the club with the
intention of finding Kiara her daughter and taking her that's certainly what it looked like
and how about kyron's Mother's reaction to what the Stepmother's been up to since she has split with her husband
hearing that what do you think she's got some guts I'll give her that and now's not a good
time to be doing stuff like that but I guess I I don't expect anything less right and that's some suspicious actions
there by the Stepmom but again if you're not involved and you know you're not involved in The Disappearance of your
stepson then you would want to see your child your other child you'd want to be a part of her life yeah and then we have
the question about the polygraph test we have the situation where Terry takes one
fails one and she's asked to take another test and potentially another test at that but at some point she
starts refusing to be a part of these polygraph tests yeah and kind of backing away from the whole investigation uh as
a whole and here's uh Tony the stepfather's thoughts on that when I heard that that made the decision in my mind at the
fork in the road we knew which road to go down we implore Terry Horman to fully cooperate
with the indicators to bring Chiron home so you can hear the parents pleading with the Stepmom after
the failed polygraphs hey just be honest and work with the cops well and sometimes throughout this process we
have kyron's mother and stepfather who seem to be a little bit vague about what they believe may have happened to Chiron
and who could have been involved but when they're sat down and they are asked the direct question regarding Terry the
stepmother well it's obvious how they feel I absolutely believe that Terry Harmon is
responsible for kyron's disappearance you too help did someone help her we don't have
any evidence that indicates that but we personally think that's the case do you think Terry Horman planned
to do something oh yeah without a doubt which here they bring up a great point because the tough
thing about the whole stepmother theory is her timeline and did she have enough time she also was solved by a lot of
eyewitnesses with her daughter out and about no signs of Karen so if she was involved was there somebody
else involved yeah and you're exactly right Captain there are breaks in her timeline there are points in her
timeline of what went down what she was doing that day where she is unaccounted for but like we've talked about in so
many cases was there enough time to do something well if you have somebody else involved right if you have a drop-off
point or somebody that can take this kid from you or for you then your timeline isn't so doesn't have to be so precise
it you know we don't need a whole day to take Chiron and get rid of him right and
her going to these stores and and bringing her baby in the stores we have a couple of accounts with with
the eyewitnesses saying hey yeah I saw her but it was a little odd how much she talked to me how much detail she got
almost like maybe she's establishing an alibi right right is is she in fact just
running necessary errands or does she want people to know where she is that day right
okay so we have this atom bomb that goes off that Terry the stepmother potentially tried to hire somebody to
kill chiron's father Kane yeah but then the other shoe falls another bomb boom and what is this it's a sex bomb
a big fat stinky sweaty sex bomb wow but now here's the thing Captain so we have
Terry the Stepmom her phone is being monitored by the police by this point in the investigation and so she's very
careful about what she says when she's on her phone however she's not clever enough to figure out
that they're not just monitoring the phone calls they can see all of the activity going on and on her phone and
when we say all we mean all all the whole thing well the thing here is we have to introduce a guy named uh Michael
cook okay so who is he he was a an old friend of Keynes it sounds like they were friends you know maybe from high
school or college yeah and then you know didn't have much interaction for many years but at some point they are living
close in proximity to one another and they rekindle their friendship well after Chiron goes missing we have
Michael cook who's going to help try to help the family console them you know be
a friend uh he actually was involved in helping to organize one of the first vigils that was held for Chiron while
they were still out searching for him well after after we have Kane and Terry split up after Kane finds out hey you're
loving caring wife may have tried to have somebody kill you right and he says guess what I'm taking my daughter and
I'm out well we have Terry who's still living at the hormon home and at some point she thinks you know what I'm going
to start texting this friend of the family Michael cook and he's going to start texting her back and the
conversation starts as casual things questions about the investigation questions about is there any you know
leads anything good coming in helping to find Chiron well it very quickly turns to
um some very very inappropriate uh discussions between the two of them here's a clip of Michael talking about
the searches Kane and Terry live right up the street from me cook is an old high school friend of Keynes they
recently reconnected in the first days of the hunt for Chiron cook joined the search and then of course we've all seen
these and seemed to go out of his way to defend Terry when suspicions about her first emerged I I would hope that if if
people had energy they would put it toward helping to find this missing boy as opposed to
investing it and speculating about whether the family did or didn't have something to do with it and a lot of
people weren't just put in speculation on the family a lot of people were put in speculation on Terry yeah so it's
kind of weird that all now that she's uh showing me her tatas or her Turtle tatas
now I will be defending her yeah and well and the thing is you know it just doesn't seem like
you know we look at these things from the outside and we have to wonder how we would behave and how uh we would handle
dealing with something like this in our lives well when it's not handled in a way that we agree with of course we all
automatically think well this person either just doesn't care just has no soul no heart or they're they're
involved in this thing and somehow well in a cheater doesn't make you a murderer
but you know being a cheater does make you a liar and I also think it makes you question somebody's character and
they're going to ask chiron's Mom about these new allegations you roll your eyes
yeah I'm sorry I guess to say it tactfully it goes to someone's character if you're doing something like that I
mean it's disgusting and now chiron's mother is going to be asked if her and her husband kyron's stepfather if they
feel guilty because of what was the result of what happened to Chiron because he disappeared and now we learn
that we have all the suspicious Behavior going on around the stepmother Kyron was
in her care to know that I was four and a half hours away when he needed me to protect him that's
what I feel guilty for the fact that I had to work that day instead of going to the science fair
like I wanted to that I feel guilty for too he wanted to come live with us he expressed that on several occasions
and just several times he would just break down and just sob because he wanted to stay
[Music] [Music] all right cheers mates we're back all right so so far Captain we have heard
allegation after allegation just kind of stacking up against Terry Horman the stepmother who was the last person as
far as we know to see Kyron Harmon the morning that he disappeared now she is going to get a chance to react to some
of these allegations and let's hear her talk about that strange Facebook post of
I'm going to hit the gym this just days into the search for Chiron well that would be because the the law enforcement
told us to go to do we told us to do things that we normally do so they want you to go grocery shopping
they want you to go to the gym they actually specifically told both Kane and I and he was with me that day when we
went but this statement makes a lot of sense to me I mean law enforcement will tell you hey you gotta live some kind of
of a life if you just focus only on searching uh you're going to drive yourself crazy right I don't think I'd
be able to uh do anything but search um but so I so I get that point the the other weird thing that she throws in
there is oh yeah well I went to the gym that day and Cain was with me again I don't think it's weird I mean some
people as a stress reliever you know do yoga they go to the gym they gotta go running I don't think that is super odd
um but you post it on Facebook right you know stop being such a [ __ ] well and on more
than one occasion she's going to claim that she was not allowed to be involved in the search for Chiron which again
makes sense to me um the investigators in the search and rescue team should be the the experts
are the ones that should be doing that um but furthermore maybe she doesn't need to be involved in this search for
Chiron because she herself as well as other family members are still under investigation very early on yeah that's
a very good point and you know law enforcement might have said hey go to the gym they probably didn't tell her
because they didn't think she was so stupid hey don't post it on Facebook the other weird behavior is the sexting and
so this is Terry's response to being caught sexting her husband's friend this was in retaliation for something that he
was doing that I found out about while this is happening and this particular person was actually his friend and sent
to the house so this was a setup I'm saying this person came to the house he was Kane's friend
I did this deliberately because I was angry and getting back at him oh wow two wrongs always make it right Captain yeah
I don't know if that's how it works weird stuff here though because first of all hey she's like uh constantly
changing her story well you know see see first of all it was a setup right this guy came to the house and they set me up
uh she also says well but Cain was cheating too so so that's why and then she says well because he was cheating I
I did it for Revenge you know what I mean it makes zero sense and you're constantly changing your story just
admit that you're a horrible person I had no interest in having this person in my life this was something to screw with
Cain because I was angry with him because he was doing the exact same thing with somebody else yeah but also
by this time we're not even in together anymore all right so first it's a setup then it's revenge and then at the end of
that little statement it was well but we weren't even together right well you're
legally married well and the other thing here is you know throw all that out the
window because you know Terry does such a good job of just cleaning this up very
quickly very nice and neat oh it's you know I did this because of this it didn't really matter we're not together
but the the thing here is the and then you have you know who else does a good job of cleaning this up Michael cook
because later Michael cook would tell the media you know what yeah I was sexting with her
um I went over to her home on one occasion to speak with her and I never had sex with her okay well
let me break this down for you all right first of all Michael cook I read those text messages and we all know anybody
that's followed this case for some time okay everybody that's followed this case
knows that Terry has been interviewed on more than one occasion regarding these these text messages to and from Michael
cook all right in those interviews they dumb it down they have to dumb it down because the material in those text
messages are so graphic that they cannot say those things on the radio or on TV or in the newspaper right luckily for us
we're just in a garage and we can say whatever we want as as far as it pertains to these cases
the thing here is Michael cook I'm sorry man I'm never going to believe you that
you didn't have sex with Terry Horman for several reasons one um these these things got so explicit
that there's no way you went over there just to talk with the person because Guess what at some point in these text
messages you had two options bro you could have said you could have said this either I'm going to go over there and
give her what she's begging for or I'm gonna remove myself from this horrible situation that somehow I I've ended up
in and been a part of for uh you know they were texting for days it wasn't like yeah but it is possible that he
just wanted some you know booby picks you know it's possible yeah but you don't have to go to her home to receive
those she had already sent those to you before you went to her home and the other thing but buddy here's the thing
according to the text messages and according to Terry's messages that she sent to you not only did you go to her
home but she went to your home on one occasion yeah so let's let's not pretend like this thing only happened once and
we just sat around talking and and hoping for the best no I think it went down exactly how everybody's thinking
that it went down and why look the other thing too is Michael had this weird fetish with turtles
so not true but the thing here is even after she's sending pictures of herself he's asking for more pictures and as the
captain pointed out maybe he's just into pictures however more than one occasion during these text
message exchanges they both admit to having been masturbating during the sexting situation
yeah yeah and then at some point she says hey I'm glad that we I she says look did she give her don't tell anyone
don't tell anybody that I came over to your house last night because I told my attorney and I told my friend Dede that
I just had to go out for a drive because I was stressed and I'd been locked up in
the house all day right which is another piece of evidence that she will lie to anybody she'll lie to her her own lawyer
yeah it's a definitely uh a detail of your character and the other issue too the other problem with this case is that
you have two adults uh we have Terry for certain and we have Michael cook by this point that that is yes just
speculation on my behalf but whether or not they had sex together we have we have two adults in in the Inner
Circle of a situation of a missing child and they're behaving like teenagers they're behaving like teenagers they're
not assisting they're not doing anything productive as far as I'm concerned in helping the family or helping Chiron
they're running around in in playing these games with each other and hiding it from everybody else well and the
weird thing here too is I mean like we've said before kyron's father left kyron's mother while she was
pregnant because he is having an affair with the turtle Terry and the problem here is
that now she's saying that well Kane's doing the same thing and this might have been going on before Chiron went missing
but then it starts making you want uh wonder about motive you know if the kids out of the picture
what happens to the relationship right I think we throw a lot of shade on her but if Kane is doing the same thing
then he's equally yeah with a bag of flaming you know what but that's a road that I don't even care
to go down right but why do we do it with her and not him because of this because of this exact fact we have in
her own words her saying I lied to my best friend and to my attorney two people that are supposed to have her
best interest involved in what's going on in her world and she's admittingly lying to them so
how can I put any weight on her being the only one saying that Cain well he was doing the same thing so I did it too
right but we have evidence that he's done this before so there there's some weight there I get I feel I feel you
there you bring up a good point the problem I have is I have a big problem believing anything that Terry says and
while we're you know while we're in the business of throwing shade at people I think that we need to throw some shade
on Michael cook um because here's the thing this is his own words his own words when asked why
that that the investigation is focusing in on Terry or why the public seems to be swarming around her like vultures
thinking that she's involved in kyron's disappearance somehow his own words are I wish that anybody
that has energy would focus in and put their efforts towards trying to find Chiron uh guess what Michael how much
energy did you waste on those visits with Terry how much energy did you waste texting and sexting back and forth with
her you should have focused your efforts on looking for Chiron as well I think it's very obvious where I stand as far
as how I you know my belief on whether Terry is a somewhat honest person or or you know not honest at all right I can't
it's hard for me to believe anything she says and this is a good point this is a
good time for her to address the situation regarding the polygraph test so the the first one was approximately
an hour long and reading the results took about three hours to do it um I'm very hard of hearing virtually
deaf in my left ear so I have to look at people when I talk to them to understand
what they're saying he was behind me when he was doing the first polygraph um so it took me a little bit of time to
process what he was saying to respond I was gone for the three hours while he put it together came back and he just I
don't even know what was up on the screen buddy so you failed and I was like how can I possibly fail they told
the truth and then they came in um two of the Bobby O'Donnell lead investigator another guy named will he's
an FBI guy he was part of the group and uh we're talking about it and after discussion about I I was upset
went back and I had at that time uh called Kane and I told him I'm just done cooperating I've had it I cannot believe
that they're focused on me or they're not focusing where they need to be and they took me home I was at home the
lead investigator of FBI his name is Lee gossum he called me over to the school or the fire station and asked that we
have a discussion and um about saying that they needed my help to continue on because I know Karen
as well as I do excuse me I agreed that I would is just I just said I'm just angry because of
all this is going on he said well had you had any other reaction I would have thought that you
were guilty because I don't feel that way about you but she wants to make sure that she
includes in there that one of the investigators says to her that he doesn't feel that she's guilty
of anything yeah and we have no way of knowing if he said that or not right uh the other thing that they're going to
bring up is the fact that she has hearing problems so that could affect the polygraph which could explain why
she failed the test it's it's heavy and enough I have to see the context of the person what they're saying their facial
expression it helps a lot yeah if I'm sitting this way and I'm doing it he's right here at a table
so I can hear out of this ear it's just it makes it much more difficult told him I couldn't hear then he made it
so that I was scooted over enough that I could hear more out of my right ear yeah
and this investigation is going to take another twist like I said before they were United as four you know the the
Stepmom the Father the stepdad and the mother they were United but quickly it turns into well we think Terry is
possibly lying about some stuff and not cooperating as much as she should then what's going to happen is that this the
allegations come out that she hired the landscaper or the gardener to kill her husband and once this comes out he is
going to then have to file for a divorce when Kane files for that divorce uh he is going to submit all this stuff
allegations against her with drinking and God knows what else but I think some of that it's so you know again uh this
guy cheated on his pregnant wife I don't know how much we can believe but even if
he was making up stories I think he was doing so to protect his daughter and I can commend him for that well one big
part of the battle of this whole divorce is going to be custody of the child of of the daughter that Cain and Terry had
together right you know Kane is not just saying hey I'm separating from my wife he's saying no I'm separating from my
wife from Terry and I'm taking our daughter and she's separating from her as well right and so for this to happen
he's not only going to have to prove reasons why they should be divorced and and why they shouldn't be together but
he's going to have to prove reasons why she is not fit to be uh to have their daughter in her care again I command him
because if you think that she had anything to do with The Disappearance of your son you do not want to take that
chance now what what comes out in the public is that the mother of Chiron is going to hear all this information and
go wait what the heck yeah why didn't we know about this earlier right when our kid went missing you should have been
talking about this and that's going to sever their relationship as well and here is Karen's mom talking about that
good morning this is the first time that you are speaking out about Karen without
um your ex-husband Kane up until now you two have maintained a united front so what has changed
well we're we're still a united front in the goal that we want Chiron home and and we want answers that hasn't changed
I I personally have learned of information lately that has disappointed me and Kane's choices
and his behavior and um I just can't stand by and support the choices that he's making well some of
that has to do with these court documents that you've seen where he talks about his wife Terry being visibly
uh impaired from alcohol several times a week putting her kids at risk he calls her emotionally disturbed yet he never
shared any of his concerns with you is that correct that's correct we learned of all of this
information after the fact and from the media he had several opportunities to let Tony and I know what was going on in
the house and he did not he had several opportunities to make the right choice and either let me know or remove Kyron
from the house I would have removed Kyron clean the house had I have known what was going on did you see any signs
ever um Desiree that that Terry was dealing with alcohol abuse or that she was as as Cain put it emotionally
disturbed yeah I did not see any evidence of of alcohol abuse um in fact I didn't know about the DUI
until after Chiron went missing um but as far as a personality disorder I did uh for years
I was aware that she had some issues with pathological lying things of that nature but just mostly from my
interactions with her I don't I didn't see you know as much as Kane did if you had any concerns why didn't you at any
time or did you try to get your son car run out of that home oh yes I did starting uh a year prior to
his him going missing I tried to get custody of him and what would happen uh Kane told me it was not an option on
several occasions and it was a point of contention with us he was exhibiting some problems in school and he was
expressing a lot of um sadness and upset at the situation and Chiron on many occasions told me he
wanted to come live with me and on a couple of different occasions Terry had called me specifically so that I could
talk to Chiron because he was so upset and Terry personally wanted me to take Chiron and
then on Friday the police showed you some emails that Terry had sent to friends of hers describing her marriage
to Kane and her feelings about your son I know you can't reveal the the specifics because of the investigation
but generally what did they say it's very clear from Terry's horrible words that she had a severe hatred for Chiron
and that a lot she blamed a lot of the marital problems between Kane and herself on Chiron that
it was a huge point of contention in their marriage and she had expressed in great detail
her hatred for Chiron I now believe without a shadow of a doubt that not only is she capable of hurting Chiron
that it's clear that she could have heard him in the worst possible way do you still hold out hope that your son
is alive I will until the day I die there's been a lot of talk about these emails on the internet a lot of people
chiming in with their thoughts and opinions about this I've heard and read some people unfortunately that say you
know as far as these emails go we've not been able to see them they're they're you know they're not been
released to the public so all we can go off of is Desiree kyron's mom saying that the stepmother hated Chiron this is
what I see in the emails and there's also been speculation that there were hundreds and hundreds of emails that
were of this nature of her speaking Illy of her marriage and of her stepson and even saying that her stepson was adding
to the turmoil in their marriage in her marriage my comments to those people that have
posted that is two things you're exactly right we have not seen we have not seen
these they've not been made public and yes all we have is what she is stating that she was shown because she was shown
these by the investigators because they wanted to get her opinion you know what I believe I believe that some of those
emails were her saying bad things about her stepson were things Terry saying bad
things about Chiron bad things about her marriage now if if Desiree had to pour over hundreds of emails and I and I'm
guessing with the activity that I've seen uh made public regarding Terry's computer uh activity and how active she
was on her phone yeah I'm guessing that there were probably hundreds of emails my guess here would be that probably a
very few of them actually pertain to her saying that she hated Chiron and that she had a bad marriage because of him I
do not doubt Desiree I do not doubt that she is coming forward with saying information that is true that is factual
the problem is we have people taking in this information watching these interviews and then later saying well
there were hundreds and hundreds of emails of her saying she hated Chiron and all we have is the Stepmom to go now
you're jumping to conclusions there right you're jumping to conclusions there we've not seen evidence so far in
this case of a situation where Desiree is lying about anything I I take her I take her for her word yeah and as far as
we know I mean like the kid goes missing we're going to start diving into these individuals past that's how we know
about how uh Cain and Terry got together is during a pregnancy that's horrible the other thing about it
too is that uh you know like we said we have evidence that Terry has lied about stuff
but also just the fact that she's willing to cheat I think that's evidence that she's a selfish individual and if
you're a selfish individual then maybe you don't want to be taken care of um a son that's not biologically yours
right so and again uh as they dove into these people's lives uh there's really nothing that we can discuss as far as
Desiree obviously by this point we have a situation where the relationship is has been severed between the biological
mother and biological father of Chiron and they're no longer like the captain keeps referring to as a unit unified
front you know now we have we have two against one and two against another one and for the first time after what three
years we have we have Kane the biological father and Desiree the biological mother
who have the opportunity to sit down and discuss some of their differences I don't blame Kane for kyron's
disappearance I want to make that very clear however the things that I have a hard time with
is the fact that I feel like things were happening in the year prior to Chiron going missing that I was bringing
attention to and I don't know if you were busy with your life or what was going on but it was
just ignored and I feel like in that we failed Chiron we didn't protect him that's that's interesting a lot of the
dialogue was more between you and Terry than you and I she made deliberate attempts to put herself in the middle of
the communication so your emails I never saw your emails her and I never spoke about them yeah and this is what I have
a problem with with Kane is he does the same thing that Terry does he puts the blame onto other people he deflects all
the blame instead of just saying hey um you know yeah I messed up right uh but he's going to be asked did he miss
anything and then he's going to say yes he did but again I think it's putting the blame onto somebody else I I think
absolutely I did I think at the time the economy was was going a really bad direction for all of us I was focused on
work I was focused on all of a sudden we had a daughter A New Daughter coming that wasn't expected we had a lot of
things that were happening in life and I spent a lot of my time focused on my kids and focused on my job and I didn't
focus on her and not I definitely should have spent more time but I've also in hindsight in all the discussions I have
with other people most normal people aren't investigating their spouse on a day-to-day basis yeah but if you're
awesome and you listen to True Crime garage you are investigating your spouse on a
day-to-day basis you you have a GPS tracker on their car you have cameras in the house that they
don't know about you have maybe a GPS that uh you have on the person's body you know
I don't know where you're gonna put it use your imagination well and another thing that kyron's parents disagreed on
was the search of Kyron horman's home in property Kane's home and property now the deal is that police said hey why
don't you let us come out there and dig up your yard and we'll look for more evidence we'll look for Chiron we have
Kane who says no I don't want to do that and we have Desiree kyron's mom who says
that could have been beneficial to this whole investigation and here is Kane's explanation of that I have an open
invitation with law enforcement and the search and rescue teams the certified search and rescue teams to search my
property any day anytime when I was called I said no to the private search but I immediately said and I will
continue to say right now anytime anytime the Sheriff's Office and the search and rescue teams want to come
with their dogs it's already my property I'll qualify with my properties been searched more than the school has
probably and my invitation is open always open so I think what happened here was he wasn't on the property at
the time that they wanted to do the search and so he said no and I think one of the reasons that he did that is uh
I don't think this guy has a lot of great morals and I think he was also afraid of what else they'd uncover well
I'd be curious too if they actually at any time dug up the yard because I I I've I take Desiree's side on this I
believe that yes there are gaps in Terry horman's timeline that day and disposing
of something at home in her own property would have she would have had time to do
that that would have been been a convenient place for her to do such things I gotta believe though at this at the
same time you know there's everybody has you know you got your yard I got my yard
there's obvious parts of my yard if I dug something up on a Friday or buried something on a Friday that Friday night
Saturday Sunday Monday it's going to be very obvious that that's Disturbed ground and this next clip is going to be
Desiree's words to whoever might be responsible for The Disappearance of Chiron to the person or persons that
have Chiron I miss my son so much that I can't breathe at times my heart aches every second of every day
and I'm afraid that I can't live without him I know that this situation has turned
out much bigger than anyone could have ever imagined please do the right thing here and help
us find him think about Chiron he needs me as well there are so many things he hasn't
gotten to do yet please let him go just take him to a remote pay phone and tell him to call 9-1-1 and then we can
come and get him millions of people have seen his photo yeah do you wonder why someone hasn't
said something yet I do I do wonder that every day I pray for them to come forward and have the strength to do
what's right for Karen foreign [Music] we will release part 4 of the Chiron Harmon case titled the suspect until
then be good be kind and don't litter [Music] foreign [Music]

Kyron Horman /// In Their Own Words

Part 3 of 4

In Their Own Words...It's a parents worst nightmare... You send your kid off to school and you think they are safe. Once they get inside the four walls of their school nothing bad should happen. In June of 2010, 7 year old Kyron Horman was dropped off at his school. His stepmother last saw him walking to his classroom. She left when Kyron was just feet from the classroom door. When school was let out, Kyron was to be picked up from the bus stop. When the bus arrived and let the kids out, Kyron was not there. Sometime during the school day he was taken from his school. Tonight we discuss the tragic story of a missing little boy. Beer of the week - Pallet Jack by Barley Brown's Garage Grade - 4 bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Kyron Horman went missing in 2010, with suspicions surrounding his stepmother Terry Horman's involvement and behavior during the investigation.

Key points

The Disappearance of Kyron Horman. Kyron Horman goes missing from school, leading to a frantic search.
Desiree's Heartbreaking Call. Desiree Young receives the devastating news that her son is missing.
Suspicion Cast on Stepmother. Terry Horman's actions raise questions about her involvement in Kyron's disappearance.
Failed Polygraph Tests. Terry Horman's refusal to cooperate with police raises red flags.
Inappropriate Texts. Terry Horman's texting with an old friend turns inappropriate amid the investigation.
Allegations Against Terry Horman. Allegations stack up against Terry Horman, the last person to see Kyron Harmon before his disappearance.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I thought it was a joke.

Desiree's reaction to the news of her son's disappearance.

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