The Murders of Julie Crocker & Paula Menendez | Morbid: A True Crime Podcast | Forensic Files

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then I just everything got chaotic and at the end I just [ __ ] myself like this Christmas I don't know what I was
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I got you this much and I was like what what did you do return some of that what
you mean I don't have that I don't have that much for you I don't have that but then I I thought that last night and
then I came here and I've hidden some presents here and I was like oh [ __ ] yeah that's three of those you forgot
like one pretty one significant present diesel present yeah and then another one is coming after Christmas
and I'm so teo'd because um it's it's Drew's big present so Seth Rogen I have a bone to pick with you no
not actually it's my own fault for ordering it Lee I don't have a bone to care for you I would never have a bone
to pick with Seth Rogen I love that man's who doesn't you know probably people that suck I guess I mean
there's people who hate everybody so yeah yeah yeah yeah you know well yeah so that's here we are that's that
speaking of hate yeah yeah let's get it I hate the man in this story yeah so there you go that was a
good segue perfect let's start we're going not in the way back machine but we're we're going back to the early Ops
we're going to ashtastic early OTS hell yeah hell yeah on February 12 2007 2007.
I was gonna say 2007 but that sounded weird but that's where our Story begins and on that day a frantic Toronto collar
was on the phone with 9-1-1 begging for help the man on the line was 35 year old
Christopher little and he was explaining to the dispatcher that there was a dead
woman hanging from the rafters in his garage oh my God and he had no idea who this woman was what and then as he
walked into his home things only got worse he made his way to the bedroom he shared with his estranged wife Julie
Crocker and discovered her dead as well having been brutally murdered what the [ __ ] she was lying on the bathroom floor
excuse me lying on the bedroom floor next to the bed with her throat cut open viciously oh my God nearly to the point
of decapitating he immediately assumed that whoever the stranger was hanging in the garage had
done this to his wife and then done that to herself afterwards and he explained that theory when police arrived on scene
oh what it I arriving home to find a stranger hanging in your garage can you don't imagine that but I cannot like
what that's you would see that on TV like on a crazy TV show and be like that's what that would never have too
much no it was an unbelievable scene to walk into for any party yeah but once investigators did they immediately had
questions oh while Chris little was convinced he knew what happened trained investigators felt
that there was something off here not only with his story but also with the crime scene because the first thing that
raised eyebrows on scene was the fact that Chris had no idea who this woman was that seemed very likely yeah excuse
me he seemed very unlikely yeah and the way she was found also raised on the eyebrows because the woman was
discovered not only with a rope around her neck but around her ankles as well huh that's pretty unusual in a typical
case of suicide yeah then they found out that the relationship between the two dead woman women excuse me and Chris
little was also incredibly complicated and that this woman in the garage wasn't necessarily the stranger that Chris had
made her out to be within hours her story was starting to crumble and he and investigator or his story was starting
to crumble around him excuse me I can't talk about that and investigators were pretty sure that this man who had quote
unquote stumbled upon this scene and called 9-1-1 he was their killer now let's get back to the 9-1-1 call it
came in from 95 Larkin Avenue in Markham at 3 25 a.m again on February 12 2007 and the York Regional Police and
paramedics were on the scene within seven minutes they were ready to go first on the scene was Constable Michael
mulville and when he arrived he discovered the body of Paula Menendez in the garage
only she wasn't hanging from the rafters anymore her body was laid halfway in the
back seat of Chris Little's SUV what the SUV had been partially backed into the garage and was still actually running
when the officers arrived which you know made sense because he had gotten stumbled upon the scene got out of the
car ran home okay I can see why they are still running sure movil noted that menendez's lips and
skin were blue and her eyes were dilated direct quote when he checked for a pulse
there was none to be found and as he continued searching through the garage in the exterior of the home his partner
Constable Stephanie Hunter was inside Hunter immediately found Christopher little standing at the top of the stairs
still actually on the phone with 9-1-1 but once he saw that the police had arrived he hung up uh with the
dispatcher and led Constable Stephanie Hunter to the bed bedroom excuse me where 33 year old
Julie Crocker was he told the officer that he had actually moved Julie from the bed to the floor and had attempted
CPR at the 911 dispatchers request so when he got home she was actually on the bed oh and he discovered her and then he
moved her to the floor to do CPR okay he also let this officer know that their two young daughters were home and had
been during the murder murders oh my God luckily the children were taken from the
home quickly before they were able to see anything it doesn't appear that they woke up at any time during this do you
know how old they were they were younger I want to say that they were like two and four oh so like little they were
little little girls um but luckily they didn't see anything and they were young enough to the point
where they didn't really understand what was happening yeah because they were and
they were sleeping it seems and they were sleeping yeah they were taken to stay with Julie's relatives until the
detectives could figure out everything with Chris okay now once the scene was surveyed the detective sat down with him
and wanted to get his whole story yeah Chris told them that he and his wife were actually in the process of getting
divorced red flag number one oh yeah and that they were sharing the home where she'd been discovered he arrived home
just before 3 30 that morning and immediately discovered Paula though again he said he said he did not know
this woman by name he said that he once he found her he cut her down in an attempt to revive her and that was why
she was laid in the back seat when police arrived okay when he was unable to revive her he said
he ran inside and found his wife called 9-1-1 attempted CPR as he was instructed
to do so and they knew the rest when asked again if he was sure that he did not know who this woman in the
garage was he told the investigators no he did not story was strange yeah why would he
start Reviving a stranger before he knew that his wife estranged or not and two little kids were okay yeah you found
this woman in your garage and you're immediately like oh let me tend to this woman who I don't know who I don't know
why she's here and what's going on but my wife and children are in the house and let me not check on them but take
care of this yes that I'm sorry that's not going to be your first day that wouldn't be my first instinct I can tell
you that I don't think that would be many people's first instinct I think most people would run into the home and
make sure that their family was okay yeah I would say so but that's just my opinion yeah
but according to the Canadian criminal code investigators had to obtain a warrant before they searched the house
and carried out a forensic analysis on the victims so while they waited they sat up and set up a command post nearby
and they continued questioning Chris he only explained more about the living situation and how he and Julie were
sharing the home during their separation as they both kind of figured out where to go separately from the sounds of it
it seemed like whoever had the kids stayed at home with them to kind of keep their routine normal okay while the
other person stayed at an apartment or in Julie's case possibly with her boyfriend Rick okay now once they
obtained the search warrant to search Chris and Julie's home they found out the identity of the woman in the garage
officially 34 year old Paula Menendez they would soon learn that she was actually somewhat connected to Julie and
Chris Paula and this is a little convoluted so Paula was the ex-wife of Julie Crocker's
new boyfriend Rick Ralph okay got it yep so was what Chris was saying true had Paula in some kind of fit of rage or
jealousy broke into Julian Chris's home to exact her revenge on Julie and then because she was so distraught ended her
own life in the garage probably not police had seen crazier scenarios play out but still something about this
situation was telling them instinctually to look harder into Chris yeah I yeah I
guess I could see that being the case they were thinking but something about it was just too messy yeah it's like you
can sit there and say yeah like that is a that scenario has played out probably billions of times yeah unfortunately in
some kind of way some kind of roundabout way but like even just listening to that scene are
from from over here I'm like um I don't know about that yeah it's just his reactions are bothering me
they're strange they will only get stranger oh good so the more and more they learned about the victims as the
morning went on because this is literally all happening within the day that these two bodies are found
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interviewing more and more and the more validated they started to feel and their
suspicions of Chris as the day went on though Paula and Rick had ended their marriage they learned that things ended
pretty amicably and it was actually Paula who had initiated the divorce months earlier oh wow she wasn't happy
that things had ended how they had but she knew that it was the right decision for the both of them Julian Chris had
also ended their marriage a few months before and Chris was telling the detectives that their split was also
amicable but the police weren't so sure and while they were learning more and more about the people involved in this
case they were only coming up with more questions number one why would Paula who
initiated a divorce from her husband only become jealous and violently arranged enraged when he started dating
Julie if she was the one to initiate the divorce two why would she tie her own feet together
before hanging herself yeah and that would make it hard and more importantly why wasn't she covered in blood if she
had just cut a woman's throat yeah there was not a single drop of blood found on
Paula yeah not a single drop three one of the weirdest aspects of all of this what was Chris little doing at his
estranged wife's home at three o'clock in the morning if it was her time to be at the house what the hell was he doing
there at witching hour yeah why was he there that's possibly the best point he's the one were you just shutting up
he's the one sitting there saying like we split our time with the kids and and share the house you arrived at three
o'clock in the morning and we'll get into later on your kids are sleeping his explanation I'm not even going to
tell it to you right now I gotta wait until we get there makes no [ __ ] sense yeah I bet it doesn't and that
whole entire morning the way that he tries to reason it out I'm like you're cooked anyways number four Julian
Chris's two children were home at the time but other than telling the responding officer that they were there
he made no attempt to check on them himself and we know that's wild to me we know this since both girls were home one
would think that they would have woken up from hearing some kind of a struggle and would have gone to their father when
he got home or that when he arrived he would have checked on them I just I would have the first thing I would have
done is check on the kids absolutely that would have been the first thought if something is awry in your home your
first thought should be go to your kids and even if it's not your first thought like that to me but you know maybe you
check on your wife first then you find her in that state and you still don't go check on your children yeah none of that
makes sense if this stranger broke into your home to back some kind of Revenge on you and your wife would she not also
exact that Revenge with your children maybe but like you've got to go check on them yeah you gotta go find out well we
know neither of those things happened because everything that happened in the house from the time Chris called 9-1-1
is recorded everything everything you can hear the dog barking you can hear officer Hunter's arrival you can hear
the paramedics discussing Julie State not once did a child wake up and not once was a child checked on until the
officers got there and did it themselves so with all that being said the primary
theory in detectives Minds was that Chris little had kidnapped Paula and brought her back to he and Julie's home
where he then killed both women and staged the scene to make it look like a murder-suicide holy [ __ ] how [ __ ]
Bonkers that's so complex and the thought was that he was so enraged about his wife moving on to Rick Ralph that he
was taking both women from Rick Jesus and the theory was only supported by the fact that there was a crumpled up photo
of Julian Rick found next to Julie's body what which you could see that being like being the angry ex-wife being the
angry ex-wife absolutely or him being the angry estranged husband yeah but it also goes it plays right into like he
staged this of course because that's [ __ ] ridiculous yeah there was a secondary theory that Chris had intended
to actually kill Rick and had gone to his home to kill him but didn't realize that Rick didn't live there anymore and
when he found Paula he just kind of like switched gears wow I lean more toward the first Theory yeah honestly I lean
more towards that too I think this was his plan all along was to get Paula and make it look like she had done this
that's what I think I don't think I think he was trying to hurt Rick and I think he was trying to hurt these two
women yeah because I think it was his perfect scenario which is everyone says hurt Rick but also make it so that it's
a totally outside scenario from him and he's gone like you said everybody loses exactly so either way the very same day
that Chris called 9-1-1 and everything had been discovered detectives were actually able to get a warrant for his
arrest and that afternoon he was arrested on two counts of first degree murder wow I bet he never saw that
coming so quickly sure did he had wrapped all that up yeah he hadn't at all and just wait until you hear the
[ __ ] that was found and like boy I mean the fact that Paula didn't have any blood on her at all how did you think
how did you not think that through I mean I'm glad you did it yeah but and also it's this is just such a wild
scenario wild like two women like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you and these are
young women they were 33 and 34 for and like at least one of them is a mother to
young children like the mother of your young children like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you what are you doing what
are you doing Chris Watts seriously yeah [ __ ] this Chris [ __ ] this Chris and [ __ ]
Chris Watts but the plan the plan didn't really work so at least there's that and
as Chris was being arrested outside of the home neighbors actually stood by watching in shock and according to a
Globe and Mail article quote one resident was overheard telling a neighbor I moved from Scarborough to get
away from this crap oof like I love that sorry on your mind yeah geez how dare we
wow now before we get into the rest of the Nitty Gritty I did obviously want to touch on both victims lives before they
were taken by this abominable man yeah Chris and Julie had been married for 10 years before this oh my God and had
actually pretty much known each other their entire lives because they broke they both grew up in Markham which is a
city in Ontario we're in Canada uh Chris had grown up on a dairy farm and his father Barry actually used that
farm to operate his small Dairy business Chris's family was pretty close-knit they were super involved in the
community and Julie Crocker also grew up in a close-knit family she was one of three children to parents Judy and Jim
and she was super close with her two sisters Stephanie and Jill and then together they were all super close with
their cousins and extended family during the Summers the sisters would spend months in Vermont with their aunt uncle
and cousins I love this it sounds like our family like how close we all are with like cousins and everything
Julie had started dating Chris in high school they were both students at Markham District High
and when they both graduated Julie went off to the University of Western Ontario
but they actually stayed a couple while she was at college and made things work long distance
when she was finished with college she and Chris married in 1997 and for a while they both just wanted to separate
a focus on their separate careers Julie got a job in 2002 with Rogers media which was a an is a toronto-based sports
media and brand consultancy and she worked in ad sales one year later in 2003 she became a mom
and the couple became parents to their first daughter and a year later they would have a second daughter
in addition to all of that Julie and Chris were also very involved volunteers for the Markham Fair which used to be
organized by Chris's father Barry so this has like such a small town feel to it it really does it's one of the
country's oldest fares actually and Julie was so dedicated to everything she could do for it everyone remembered her
in every aspect of life as quote a devoted diligent and hard-working team player who touched so many lives in so
many ways they said whether it was getting through school raising her two children or the volunteer work she did
she gave everything her all and Paula Menendez was also from Markham and had grown up there she'd actually
originally been born in Argentina and had a twin sister Carolina as well as an older sister Claudia their parents were
Monica and Jaime Menendez and their family was also Incredibly Close Monica and Jamie actually wanted to move their
family to Canada while the kids were still so young to escape the violence going on in Argentina wow which only
makes this case all the more tragic Paula and Julie had drive as a commonality after Paula graduated from
college she got a job as a physiotherapist and went on to work for pivot physiotherapy Clinic all of her
co-workers were obsessed with her like she was beloved to everybody's life that she touched they said she was not only a
skilled worker but a wonderful person who quote loved to laugh she loved jokes and she had a laugh that was completely
infectious oh it just always makes me so sad so senseless yeah like the these two
murders it really is these were both like beautiful involved in their Community bright kind caring like what
have gone on to do such incredible things because they already had been yeah incredible exactly
now it was in 2003 that Paula got married and as she met Anne got married to Rick Ralph but their relationship had
issues from the jump after just two months of being married they were already growing apart and Rick
had actually already started an affair with a woman at work the affair went on for years and by 2005 Paula and Rick
were in couples therapy desperately trying to make things work and doing their best to save their marriage boy it
took about a year of trying but they really weren't making much Headway and things weren't in a desirable place so a
harbor a heartbroken Paula suggested that they separate and by the fall of 2006 they were officially divorced
she was really sad about it and he was too but I for her it was like he was cheating on her first of all and she was
like I don't want to be in a marriage with somebody that doesn't want to be here yeah like I'm not gonna keep him
here if he doesn't want to be here I would love to be here and I would love to be a part of this marriage but not in
this state yeah of course I understand that so they split amicably like I said and they still seem to have love for
each other I think it was one of those things where they loved each other but they weren't in love anymore yeah but
the divorce hit Paula harder than she actually thought it would her dream in life was to get married start her own
family and open her own physiotherapy business and now in some ways she was back to square one
but Paula wasn't one to let life beat her down and she knew she was still young and had plenty of time to achieve
the goal she'd set for herself yeah and in the months leading up to her death she actually was starting to date again
kind of starting to get out there trying her best to move on getting her groove back and just before she was killed she
actually got a new tattoo to kind of represent this change in her life she got a butterfly that was supposed to
signify her new beginning and how strong and resilient she was metamorphosis just
like a butterfly I love that now you have Hilary Duff song stuck in my head there you go now heading back into the
investigation this shit's gonna get Wilder and Wilder as we go as the pathologist examined Paula's body
it was clear that she had not taken her own life as Chris little intended to make it look Dr Toby Rose listed Paula's
cause of death as ligature strangulation oh meaning somebody else had placed the
Rope around her neck in his report Dr Rose noted that the position of the ligature mark on Paula's neck suggested
that she'd been strangled saying quote in a classical self-hanging a ligature Mark is higher up under the chin rather
than straight across the voice box because the gravity pulls you down exactly which was where the mark on
Paula was found straight across her voice box yeah that literally like physics doesn't make sense exactly she
had very clearly been killed before she was hanged from those Rafters which is so terrific so dark and there were a
multitude of bruises on her body all over her hands and wrists the back of her legs and thighs suggesting that
she'd been handled quite aggressively Dr Rose's conclusion was that she'd been murdered and the scene was staged
there was no question obviously as to how Julie Crocker died but the pathologist still had to carry out an
examination of her body too it's just the way things yeah of course it was confirmed that her cause of death was an
over 10 inch long quote deep ragged and irregular cut to the neck which started near her left ear and ended near her
right collarbone oh my God yeah yeah Dr Rose said the cut was so deep that there
was quilt really only skin left uncut at the back of the neck she was nearly decapitated like he literally just
didn't get the skin in the back oh my God he said that there was quote extensive damage to the trachea internal
muscles and cartilage the Carotid artery and jugular vein and both lobes of the thyroid gland the esophagus and even the
cervical vertebrae wow like he what did he use a jagged knife oh like a hunting knife Jagged knife my God and in
addition to her throat being slashed there were also superficial wounds to the left side of her face and defensive
sharp force injuries to her face to her neck and to her hands oh my God this was
brutal for both women when the forensic technicians process the crime scene there was not much
evidence found within the home the detectives Knew by this point that the scene had been staged but actually the
lack of blood evidence outside of the bedroom where Julie had been discovered only proved to their point more so it's
kind of beneficial that there wasn't blood everywhere absolutely and it's like he lives in this house part-time
exactly it's like they would be hard and has for years and years and years he knows this place I just happen to look
up pictures of them because I like to see who beautiful beautiful and there's a picture of them on their wedding day
and I'm just looking at it and I'm like how does that how does that go from that
to that my brain can't compute this kind of stuff more like you marry someone no
and then this hat like never I think about that so much more now but especially like planning a wedding
because so much love goes into that like the excitement and preparation and you stand before that person and choose them
forever no matter what and that's and then like you have babies together yeah and this like and this isn't like Crime
of Passion which is very like planned and this is like brutal almost decapitation like this is how do you do
that to someone that you love oh he did I don't understand that he did Terrible Things to this woman even in life oh
good terrible terrible things he was not a husband no I mean not a husband at all
yeah it's ridiculous but the lack of blood in this case was helpful because had Paula
been the one to murder Julie that savagely like I was saying earlier and then gone out to the garage one would
assume that there would be at least a little bit of blood on the path out to the garage and Paula would have been
covered yeah like I said she was not covered in blood and there was no blood evidence found in the garage yeah no the
only blood evidence outside of the bedroom came from hand prints that were left by Chris after he'd attempted CPR
yeah none of that makes sense no it makes no sense now luckily inside of the garage there was some evidence left
behind by the killer there were fragments of the Rope used to hang Paula still left on the Rafters and on the
floor near where her body was there was a pair of black gloves next to a knife which was the one used to kill Julie
remember those black gloves okay it was more what they didn't find that helped the investigators Chris was trying to
say Paula had killed his wife in a jealous rage but she didn't even look like she'd left her house intentionally
or with any kind of plan she actually looked like she'd left her home unexpectedly she was found wearing track
pants a hoodie and boots and a scarf but no underwear and she also had none of her personal belongings with her no
wallet no keys no cell phone not even her car so how did she get there wow not even
her car I say to you again they're trying he's seriously trying to pass this off how did she get with that major
major flaw she didn't bring her keys her wallet her cell phone nothing yeah nothing that makes sense but
unfortunately over at Paula's uh apartment there really wasn't much evidence to find there were no
Footprints no tire tracks that they could have tested against Chris little and there was really nothing in her home
to indicate a struggle which is interesting however there was evidence to suggest that somebody had left in a
hurry it seemed there was an unpacked bag of clothes in the master bedroom Paula's purse and her cell phone were
found on the main floor and in the basement they found us quote still damp wash in the washing machine as if
somebody had just thrown it on with the intention of switching it over yeah and Paula's car was found in the driveway
and interestingly the word suffer was found scratched onto its Hood it what yeah
oh how creepy is that oh that's so creepy was he I don't know if Chris was planning on doing something else with
her car and then like forgot or what yeah but it's like he did that clearly wow that's weird weird as hell yeah like
what was the thought process there I don't know if it was like he realized that it didn't make sense and and just
left her car there or and it's like they're gonna find that like of course they are they're gonna go to her you're
an idiot so throughout the search of Paula's home investigators also found her diary which contradicted Chris's
theory that she was an enraged jealous lover I'm not going to read directly from it there are quotes out there but I
don't want to read directly from somebody's diary that feels weird yeah I feel that but the diary painted a
picture of a woman who was reacting completely appropriately to the end of her relationship in early October Paula
wrote about losing Rick and how hard that was and the following weeks though the entry or in the following weeks the
entries were similar but however by January which was about four months after they split up she seemed hopeful
and she wrote that there were of course moments of sadness but that she was starting to feel better and really
didn't have the same longing that she had yeah and it's like very normal going through it this is her her diary if
she's jealous she's gonna write about Julie Crocker she's gonna write how pissed off she is she's gonna write [ __ ]
this woman like all this stuff she is not one entry sound like that at all and it's like this is just normal like I'm
going through it and here's my thoughts and here's the grief process yeah exactly I'm feeling better exactly she
even wrote about how she'd started dating again yeah Paula was a future oriented person she wasn't obsessed with
the past no even in her most private and personal moments she wasn't showing any
signs of being jealous and hadn't even mentioned Julian Rick's relationship yeah so she's just moving on now among
some of the more damning evidence found and sent off to the technical technological crimes unit was Chris
Little's work computer oh boy just two days before Julie and Paula were killed Chris made a search for Paula's home
address on his computer why would you do that he also looked up photos and saved one
of a banner for Paula's home place based Clinic all in one Physiotherapy and saved an image of a MapQuest route to
Paula's home what the [ __ ] yeah these were all found on like the temporary image cachet part of the computer for my
techies out there yeah can't delete that [ __ ] nothing is deleted forever the cloud exists I don't even know where it
is Jessica ask Casey Anthony yeah now this next bit of evidence is [ __ ] wild after interviewing Rick Ralph and
Friends connected to each victim investigators learned that Chris little had been testing Julie's clothes for
semen using a it's called a Checkmate infidelity kit are you [ __ ] kidding me no I'm for real evidence was found
from the kit in the basement of Julian Chris's home and along with it this is a trigger warning for sexual assault they
found quote a wireless pinhole camera and a digital video that showed Mr little apparently sexually assaulting an
unconscious Julie Crocker what he was sexually assaulting his wife and had at least one video of it she's
unconscious in the video and this is like well before the murders yup like just in their lives this is what he's
doing yep he what the [ __ ] he must have drugged her and done this to her and I'm
sorry if you do that once that's not the only time you've done that no of course
it's not had they been able to look for more which they weren't and if that's the only time you did that no matter
what yeah bye get the [ __ ] out of here like you need to be behind bars like what they found [ __ ] and they found it
in the in the ceiling of the basement like hidden away oh my God this guy's a [ __ ] monster have you seen him yeah
he looks like him he does look like a monster his inside's very much reflect on the outside oh
wild oh my God that's awful [Music] and Rick told investigators that yes he was very much involved with Julie they'd
been dating for a few months at that point and they spent a lot of time at his apartment after she separated from
Chris like I said I think she spent nights there when it was Chris's turn to use their house yeah of course which
she's allowed to do they're yeah and she doesn't have an apartment yet no but where else is she gonna go yeah Rick
said that Chris hadn't exactly acted threateningly toward Julie when he was there like he never saw any instance of
that but he did seem to pop up pretty much any time Rick and Julie were out together anywhere they went Chris also
seemed to be there one night when they were spending the night at Julie's home Rick actually woke up to Chris shaking
his feet in their bedroom like him and Julie are asleep in her bedroom and Chris comes in
the house and wakes up by shaking his feet shaking his feet yeah yeah okay so uh Rick didn't wait around
to find out what the hell Chris was doing and why he was there he simply gathered up his stuff and got out of
there which that reaction says a lot yeah that says I'm I don't want to deal with this man I know where this is going
I've probably dealt with this before or something similar and I'm not doing it tonight well and he probably knew
there's kids in the house and I'm not gonna create it just create this huge disruption in the middle of the night
because this guy's a crazy person exactly he then dropped another bomb on investigators he and Julie had gone on
vacation together in St Lucia I think that's how you say that yeah and shortly before their trip Julie found a GPS
tracker on her car what the [ __ ] she believed obviously that Chris little had put it there which
explained how he was popping up everywhere she went with Rick he was stalking me yeah and stalking her
Chris's own therapist said that Chris had told her the day Julian Rick left on their trip to go to St Lucia was quote
the worst day of his life and later testified about that in court wow so for him to say that he was he later says
that like it was fine that she moved on and she made her choice and you know while I'm so upset about it I respect
her decisions it's like no you didn't no no you definitely you were checking her clothes
for semen first of all what the [ __ ] I didn't even know that was a thing it shouldn't be like infidelity kits that's
like for me like if if you're at that point yeah it's not working anymore you've sexually assaulted her and
videoed it and then hit it in your own home and now you're showing up wherever she
is I'm just astounded you're not you're not over this you're not over this woman
absolutely not not at all in the most unhealthy way one could be literally it's ridiculous that he would even claim
them no so detectives leaning more into their investigation of Chris then attempted to
track his movements on the night of the 9-1-1 call leading up to it this is where things really get interesting
they were able to find Surveillance footage from a gas station off of Highway 407 not far from their home
he's at the gas station at 2 A.M 80 minutes before he placed the 9-1-1 call and interestingly enough he's seen
wearing black gloves that looked identical to the ones found at the scene oh and he's deep cleaning his car oh at
2 am as one does yeah that's usually when you do that and the footage along with all
the other evidence that we've gone over LED them to being pretty confident that Chris little was their man yeah he
wasn't ready to accept that his marriage was over and wasn't willing to let anyone have Julie if he couldn't and
Paula unfortunately seemed to be collateral damage yeah I think it was just a more a punishment for Rick and
just again a piece to the puzzle that he thought he could get out of this exactly
it was his way of a double a double whammy yep now luckily like I said he was arrested the same day this happened
and he was arrested on two counts of first-degree murder and the pre-trial phase began on April 27 2009. the judge
overseeing the case did have some qualms with some of the evidence found unfortunately
Justice uh Michelle first claimed that Chris Little's rights had been violated when the York Regional Police searched
the basement of the home where they found the video of Chris assaulting Julie I'm sorry this stuff goes up my
ass too it's legal [ __ ] and it's called you know Constitution and all that stuff and
yeah but it's like I'm sorry from the sounds of it it was basically a technicality I don't know if
it was that the search warrant didn't include the basement but they had a warrant to search the house yeah so the
basement's part of the house and this man is drugging and assaulting his wife and videotaping it I think we can go you
know what that was probably good that we found that yeah but she she wouldn't let
it in there and I know that stuff like no one needs to explain it it's fine I understand what the whole thing is I get
it yeah yeah totally whatever but it just sucks but I'm just saying it sucks looking at it from not a law appointment
from an emotional point of view it sucks because now jurors weren't gonna know anything about this video's existed and
that's [ __ ] because that is very much who he is as a person and it should be involved in his trial and a huge part
of this case yeah if he's capable of drugging and sexually assaulting his own wife and videotaping it then he is very
much capable of murdering her and I think that should be included thank you but I understand that I can't because I
get it yeah yeah unfortunately she also would not allow interview testimony from several of
Paula's friends commenting on how optimistic she was in the weeks leading up to her death the judge's ruling on
this matter was with the defense when they argued that Paula made those comments to individuals who quote were
not someone with whom she had a history of discussing personal matters so basically because the prosecution
couldn't prove that Paula had deep conversations about her feelings with these people in the past there was no
way to prove that she was being truthful when she'd made positive comments that one is a whole bunch of [ __ ] in
my opinion that's that's a wild one it's just like yeah that's weird really around though yeah I mean all right like
okay sure cool so the jury selection was finished by late September of 2009 remember this
happened in 2007. this has been going on at this point for two years damn and the
trial started on the 23rd of September same year the co-prosecutor for the crown Michael dempser I believe that's
how you say it I did look it up I hope I'm saying it right he laid out his case in opening arguments telling the jury
that Christopher little killed his wife out of jealousy and then killed Paula to
frame her for Julie's murder he explained Chris could not accept that his marriage was over wouldn't accept
that Julie had moved on and he presented evidence to the jury showing that Chris
had been spying on Julie for several months and had been tracking her movements with her new boyfriend Rick
Ralph he was also able to find out and this was perfect he was able to find out and
tell the jury that Julie had been planning on fully moving out of the home during her last days and actually in the
days leading up to her murder had been looking at apartments oh so he argued that Julie's Independence and this step
to move even further from her strange estranged husband was the event that launched Chris into full-blown panic and
planning mode and his plan was to kill her so she couldn't get away from him I could see that boom the prosecution's
private theory was that Chris kidnapped Paula to murder her in the home and make
it look like she was the one to kill Julie because of the jealousy a lot of yeah do but demser knew he could prove
that and he knew he could prove this to the jury based on all the evidence but he also knew that this was a bit of a
confusing story to digest and that the jury might find the plot convoluted yeah so he was like you know I'm not sure if
that's the way I want to go so it's so crazy that you you have to think about that in these scenarios
the jury might not be able to handle the actual story right so we have to come up
with like we kind of a more palatable way to give it to them right because if there's a reasonable doubt going on then
you have to think about that right so instead of speculating on Chris's intentions or even his state of mind he
just wanted the jury to focus on evidence and he told them quote the police found a crumpled photograph of
her with Rick Ralph kissing in front of a pool in St Lucia Chris's therapist will testify that Chris told her the day
Julie left for St Lucia was the worst day of his life yeah later that day Rick Ralph was called to testify for the
prosecution and he told the jury about all of the times where Chris showed up while he and Julie were out with one
another he was able to talk about that GPS tracker that Julie had found on her car and that she knew was put there by
Chris so overall the prosecution was pretty successful in attempting to prove their case but of course we know the
defense still had their chance of course John Rosen was Chris Little's defense attorney and he told the jury that Chris
had been at his own home watching movies on the night of the murder mm-hmm yeah that's pretty unfortunate
for him because his TV cannot work for his Alibi like his TV's not gonna sit there and be like yeah he was at home
watching me they can't there's there's nobody can get it in there no they couldn't there's no one there to prove
that out loud except for you and I'm just gonna sit here and believe that and I bet in his mind it's like well nobody
can prove this but nobody can disprove it exactly he thought he was being slapped there the only reason the lawyer
said that Chris had even gone to the house in the first place this is ridiculous absolutely [ __ ] ridiculous
was because he needed some clothes for a work trip that he was going on the next
morning you know because 3am is a pretty normal time to pack your bag at your estranged Weiss house even though you
have the entire rest of the day to do so wow he just had to go there at 3am yeah
absolutely yeah that makes total sense and he also argued that his client had been on surveillance surveillance I can
never say that right I know it is hard to say it is he argued that that's he had been on the surveillance cleaning
the car because he was really just being thoughtful Julie was to use the car later that day and Chris just wanted to
make sure it was nice and tidy for her just being a good estranged husband so he was just like you know what let me go
clean this car at 2 A.M I just finished my movie I think that's a great way to do yeah yeah you because everybody
cleans their [ __ ] car at two in the morning yeah absolutely he argued that Paula was the real killer and that she
was quote A desperate jealous wife who killed her rival and then in despair hanged herself wow he focused on Paula's
diary which was an interesting choice because he said there was evidence within it that showed that Paula was
quote tormented by a failed relationship with a philandering husband and he told
the jurors that they might hear that Paula was moving on and maybe she was optimistic optimistic but really she was
quote in crisis and in turmoil and that the reason people thought she was being happy just came down to her
ability to put on a happy face wow yeah totally he said the happy face was how she was able to go out and drink
with her friends and party before she quote came home to the reality of her empty home on the day of the murders and
then was basically trying to say like she had gone out partying and drinking she came home she was upset she was
alone and she thought you know what let me go kill my husband's girlfriend my ex-husband
like that is it's so vile that they put these things on it is like it's so Vibe and I understand like you have a job to
do but sometimes the lengths that people will go to you're like yeah oh you're just like how do you I and I I again I
get it but it's like it's a job you got to do your job I think there's a certain
way to go about it without defiling a dead human just me personally could not get in the headspace to do that so I
could not do that job no I feel like I would be haunted yeah I just I don't think my brain would be able to like
formulate that no I don't think so either it just wouldn't same here yeah so the next week of the trial was where
the jurors heard testimony from First Responders and from family and friends of both victims responding officers
Michael movel and Stephanie Hunter testified about the crime scene while the jury was also presented with photos
of both women which showed how they were discovered oh God I can't imagine having
to see that co-prosecutor Douglas Casco walked the jury through the details of each scene telling them how there was
only a small amount of Blood on the inner and outer doorknobs of the bedroom door which led him to believe that
whoever had killed Julie did this because they wanted to minimize any noise so as not to wake up the children
oh he emphasized that the door was closed to prevent the kids from seeing their mother which would have been the
act of a person who cared about the kids and not the act of an enraged murderer no he also asked them to think about the
lack of blood found on Paula's body not a single drop anywhere but the defense wanted them to believe that she had cut
a woman's throat nearly to the point of decapitation and got out of that with not a literal single drop of blood on
her I can't even stress that point enough because it's [ __ ] ridiculous and it's like Reasonable Doubt too like
extreme to them like to another galaxy crazy [Music] Costco then reminded them and this is
this is one of my favorite parts of this case because it's like you [ __ ] yourself you thought that you were so
like above this you were the Mastermind of this all in this little technicality right here if I was sitting on the jury
and heard this I would have been like boom he reminded the jury to think about a
40-second period between little entering the home from the garage and making it up to the bedroom in that time he is on
the phone with 9-1-1 closes the front door takes off his shoes hangs his jacket then goes
upstairs to the bedroom where he found Julie for one thing who does that after discovering a hanged Stranger in their
garage yeah and secondly in those 40 seconds he told the dispatcher that there was blood all over the place
but he would have said that before he ever entered the bedroom they timed it there was no possible way that when he
said there was blood all over the place that he had actually even been to the bedroom oh so how would he know that if
he wasn't the one that killed killed his wife what an actual idiot Costco asked the jury and then answered the question
for them because he killed her yeah he had seen the blood already if I was sitting on that job at that point in
time I'd be like boom case closed yeah how do you argue with this [ __ ] close how do you argue with that I have no
idea because you didn't see any blood in the garage no so you're not talking about that nope nope absolutely [ __ ]
ridiculous so ultimately Chris's trial went on for two months by the end of those two months the juror Spectators
the Press heard from a lot of witnesses I heard from responding officers the medical examiner Rick Ralph paulus
family Julie's family plenty of people and the testimony proved that Julie was in an unsatisfying crumbling marriage
and took the initial to change that reality yeah Paula was also ready to change her reality though she was
disappointed about the end of her marriage she was ready for the future she was excited to move on she was
excited to complete the goal she'd set for herself yeah and Chris little was the complete opposite of these two women
he was jilted and he couldn't let go of what was already gone nope so he wanted revenge and in his mind wanted to win
yeah but he [ __ ] lost he lost big time as the trial neared an end Chris little decided to actually take this
stand and testify in his own defense that's usually not a good idea it was not he thankfully he told the jury that
he was innocent and that he and Julie quote had all in all a good relationship we were a good team together oh and then
he made it seem like he was the victim in their relationship and focused on Julie's infidelity saying quote I don't
blame Julie she was just not sure what she wanted and that he quote wanted the opportunity to see if we could get past
that but that it was Julie who took the chance away from him when she chose Rick
over him it was as simple as that he said when she when she made her decision he realized it was over he accepted that
Rick was who she truly wanted to be with all he wanted going forward was to be amicable co-parents and maybe one day
even friends wow let me just play the world's smallest violin while he testifies
he might have done his best to make himself look like the victim in the situation but all of the evidence and
all of the other testimonies collectively were on the complete contrary to this sweet wounded Angel
[ __ ] after his no reasonable person would stalk their estranged wife would place a tracker on her car would test
her clothing for semen or sexually assault her while she was unconscious yeah though the jury didn't know about
the latter no [ __ ] up in his closing arguments it is Chris's lawyer reminded the jury that the Crown's case was built
on completely circumstantial evidence and speculation he told them there's no Smoking Gun and asked quote where's the
boiling roiling I don't know boiling roiling is such a stupid thing to say cauldron of angst anger depression and
humiliation and finally told the jury that if there was even a hint of Reasonable Doubt in their minds that
they had an obligation to acquit his client they don't have it I don't I'm predicting here but they don't have it I
don't know because I don't here no one has it no and the prosecution's closing arguments they acknowledge that of
course there were lingering questions and some unknowns when it came to this sequence of events that night of the
murders no one had seen anybody coming or going from Paula's home that night they had simply speculated yes that it
was Chris who kidnapped her but reminded the jury quote he needed someone to blame for the murder of his wife someone
whom he mistakenly believed had the same motive for killing his wife another evidence was circumstantial it was
abundant and showed a man who was obsessed and unwilling to let go so in those closing arguments Casco actually
referenced a letter that Chris had sent Julie a couple weeks before she was killed the letter was in response to
people encouraging him to move on and read quote to all this I say no what I am and where I am is totally and
completely in love with you wow but I thought you just said that you were willing to learn you're just gonna say
wait a second she made her choice you said she chose Rick and you understood and respect that and just hoped that
someday you could be friends you just hoped but you just sat here and said no I won't move on I'm where I am is
completely and totally in love with you yeah obviously you're in love with her no the [ __ ] you're not I don't know what
you think love is but it's not this that's a no it's a no for me big old no it took the jury interestingly because I
I always love to see how long the jury takes today I know because it's always very telling of how it is how strong
that case is it is and I understand that this wasn't necessarily a very strong case because and so did the prosecution
they said there are still lingering questions yeah so took the jury actually three days to reach a decision oh wow it
was November 25th 2009 when they finally did and they found Christopher litter little might as well be litter guilty on
both counts of first-degree murder good [ __ ] was going to prison bye the verdict was an end to two years of Hell
uncertainty and an opening of wounds for both of the victims families yeah Paula's twin sister Carolina told the
reporters quote it won't bring Paula back and we're going to miss her every single day but Chris paid for what he
did hell yeah I did and she and her family were satisfied with the jury's decision
now Julie and Paula's loved ones were able to read Victim Impact statements on November 30th 2009 and pot this is
heartbreaking Paula's mother Monica told the court how almost 34 years ago she and her husband made the decision to
leave Argentina and the violence they'd experienced there so that they could give their children a better life and
she said Paula's question Paula's murder would it make her always question that decision oh that breaks my heart she
told the court quote please don't misunderstand me I still have the same original feeling when I compare it to
other countries but what an irony and disappointment when our beloved Paula would end up paying for her life
was paying with her life for a decision I made more than three decades ago oh my
God and no no and it's not that's not what that was but it's terrible that she has to live every day of the rest of her
life because of this [ __ ] yeah this little tiny man and I just want to be like no no no like it's because this
[ __ ] worm of a human wiggled his way into her orbit somehow it had nothing it was like just
happenstance yeah truly truly just happened it's so true oh and this is even more heartbreaking Paula's sister
her twin sister Carolina told the court how she had been pregnant and had actually gone into labor on the morning
of her sister's murder saying quote the ugly truth of it will be that my son's birthday will be a constant reminder of
the day my beloved twin was oh my God like that is heart wrench that is way too much for one family way too much for
one family you know what though there's this like I don't know if it's an old Irish thing I think it is it's like when
it's like a lesson leaves another person comes in and that happens it's like you
open the door and yeah it happened to us on um on our side when the girls were born it's so true and it's and it's
obviously this is a very different circumstance when it happened to us it was not this a brutal murder no of
course and that is very hard to to wrap your brain around it's just like but I hope it will provide a small company
maybe you can give a little comfort with that just like that yeah oh it's just there's no way to there really isn't no
because and that's the thing she's like every year I celebrate my child's birthday is also a reminder that I I
lost my sister that just breaks my heart and I can't imagine giving birth and having that be like one of the most
amazing things to happen in your life and all the hormones coursing throughout your body and then you get the news that
this happened to your your twin sister oh my God like I have Goosebumps right now just thinking about it my heart goes
so far away to my brain just can't even no to both of these families oh now Chris was offered the opportunity to
address the the court and nobody gives a [ __ ] what you say yeah well you should
remain silent shut the [ __ ] up but honestly he should have thought I don't like it doesn't matter but you should
have got up and apologized yeah it's a total double-edged sword with those things because it's like I don't want to
hear your [ __ ] face hole like you can shut the [ __ ] up but the fact that you've saved us not to say anything you
should want to say something exactly but I don't want to [ __ ] hear it exactly it's one of those things where it's like
I want to be invited but please know I'm not coming exactly like if you don't invite me I'm gonna be pissed but I'm
definitely not coming that's exactly what that is exactly now after all the statements were read Justice Michelle
fiirst addressed little and commented on his callousness for robbing his and Julie's two children of a mother saying
quote she read him to abs loot filth I love this woman because you made them lose both their parents yeah she said
robbing your children of their their mother's love you slashed the throat of the woman you professed to love so
severely that her head almost came off as for Miss Menendez you saw to it that the pain you inflicted increased a
thousand fold when you publicly labeled her a homicidal suicidal maniac day after day in this court Paula Menendez
was truly an innocent player in a production cast and staged by you and you alone holy [ __ ] and that's honestly
the part that gets me to is like this whole thing is tragic on every level but Paula having to he's sitting there
labeling her not just a vicious murderer but a jealous outrageous unhinged just like doesn't
care about these people's children would steal a mother from these children would
would be this unhinged over a man right a man who she decided to leave because it wasn't working and she left this man
amicably and this man was amicable too well this situation was like what you were claiming your situation was and
what Julie wanted your situation to be and you're sitting here like just running her over the coals with their
reputation it seems like Paula like you said the two of them like yeah it didn't
end well like that's not a great way to end a marriage is somebody cheating and the other person not wanting to leave
but having to but it sounds like they had come to a place where it was like okay this happened and like we both have
love for each other but we need to move on exactly and it's like that's the best
case scenario in that situation absolutely and it's like but I think most divorce yeah and they were being
adults they were being mature they were moving on they seemed like they weren't having this like crazy Feud thing going
on and honestly what a testament to Paula exactly and she's even writing in her diary that like she's going through
it but she's gonna come out the other side and that she was feeling good she never sat there and disparaged Julie she
never sat there and disparaged Rick no and it's like so she's this like great person who's mature and healthy and
ready to move forward as so far the opposite that you can't it's it's just incredible you're
painting her to be the monster that you are the literally you take responsibility that you strangled her
with a ligature and then hung her in like and hung her out there in this like horrifying degrading way and then
further just disparage her character after you brutally murdered her and hung her in like out to out to be a murderer
and not to mention what if your two kids did wake up what if they saw that they did that to your kids get through that
that image and that that entire image would we burned in their brains for the rest of their lives if you can forever
changing them as human beings if you can do that you're not a father you're not you can do that to their mother and you
can do that while they're home absolutely into another innocent woman and to exactly and then pin it on her
like what the [ __ ] he's a depraved individual when I said abominable I meant abominable it truly just just it
sounds he really does remind me of Chris Rock he remembers the way that there is
clearly no love for those children and no love for that woman no real pure love for that woman no and to be able to
disparage somebody after you have brutally murdered them just like he was able to it's like what the [ __ ] is wrong
with these men seriously seriously get it together it's funny that you said not funny it's just ironic that you say that
because the whole time I was putting this case together I kept thinking of Chris swats and we've been a lot of
people have wanted us to cover Chris Watts I'm not covering Chris Watts no because he likes what he likes the
coverage and I I can't even look at that case that case what happened in that case I I read a little bit of it and I
will I'm like forever changed by that case I can't even think of those children and what that poor woman had to
go through we try not to cover things where children are the victims yes and that is just too brutal that's just
something yeah is probably not going to happen no so after she sentenced Chris to life in
prison with the possibility of parole after 25 years which was the maximum sentence allowed under Canadian law I
was gonna say that's stupid he shouldn't have parole I know he shouldn't but Canada she told him that he was quote
cowardly vicious and deserving of the most severe punishment that their law permits good so he began serving his
sentence at a Maximum Security Prison in Ontario but he was transferred to a medium security prison in the summer of
2012 when the original person that he was in was closing down both Julie and Paula's families protested and wrote to
the Supreme Court and they said the move felt like it was a slap in the face to them yeah but they were told that the
decision was based on quote the degree of control needed to protect the public staff offender and the security of the
institution and availability of the appropriate programs and services it's a technicality yeah I was just gonna say
that's a very fancy way of saying like it's a technicality exactly and no and they said in no way was it meant to be a
reflection of the crimes that he'd committed where you are should be a reflection of
the crimes you committed exactly ridiculous he did appeal his conviction in 2014 and argued for a new trial
claiming say it with me that his rights had been infringed upon it's like you can't claim that when the judge actually
left evidence out because because like yeah like she did her due diligence yeah the request was denied and the original
sentence was upheld by rot in prison yes you truly [ __ ] because no matter what
I'm assuming that parole will be denied each time I mean come on I would think he brutally
murdered two women including the mother of his children that he literally almost
decapitated on the floor of their bedroom yeah but then you have to think about like um [ __ ] what's her face
there Barbie and Ken yeah like she's out that's true but that's a little different it is a little different
because she wasn't because he was the most active I guess like she's trust me we've talked about our feelings about
her yeah exactly but it's one of those things about different scenarios so I'm hoping this would be a little different
yeah you just never know but I hope with every fiber of my being that this man dies in prison keep him in there friend
but lives a long life miserable life yep and with all that being said thank you for listening we hope you keep
listening and we hope you keep it weird but never this [ __ ] weird you will never get away with murder don't be
this Chris I hate you Chris [Music]

In February 2007 Christopher Little came home to find a stranger hanging from the rafters in his garage. Things only got worse when he entered his home and found his estranged wife Julie Crocker savagely murdered in their bedroom. Luckily their two young children, who were also in the home, were left unharmed. But who was this stranger in the garage? Had she done this to Julie and then become so distraught afterward that she ended her own life? Chris wasn't sure who she was, but when he was told that the woman was Paula Menendez, ex-wife of Julie's new boyfriend he was pretty sure that was the case. The only problem was that detectives weren't so confident in Chris's assumption and felt like there was something very off about his entire story.

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Brief Summary

Christopher Little murdered his estranged wife and her friend, staging the scene to appear as a murder-suicide.

Key points

Holiday Shopping Madness. Ash and Elena discuss the chaos of last-minute holiday shopping and consumerism.
A Gruesome Discovery. Christopher Little calls 911 after finding two dead women, including his estranged wife.
Murder-Suicide Theory. Detectives suspect Chris Little staged the scene to look like a murder-suicide.
The Arrest of Chris Watts. Neighbors watched in shock as Chris was arrested outside his home.
The Victims' Lives. Chris and Julie were married for 10 years and known each other their whole lives.
Gruesome Details of the Murders. Pathologists revealed horrific details about the murders of Julie and Paula.

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Episode quotes

What the [ __ ] she was lying on the bathroom floor.

Discovery of Julie's body

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