Jack the Ripper | Part 1 | Episode 343 | Morbid: A True Crime Podcast | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] it is morbid and it's gonna get really
morbid in here today see I like to do the hay weirdos especially now because we were saying it I think last episode
whenever like you finish saying and this is morbid and then I have to comment I'm
like it is every time it is we're both like yeah it is that's all I gotta say but today it really is because yeah we
are starting what is going to be a four part series on Jack the Ripper all right
wait four part Series so you know you know me you know the latest relationship with brevity you know me I
this case like just sucks to me right in I have about five or six books to share
with you guys already and I'm not even done um it's I'm gonna try to keep it to four
just so that you don't get like an entire month of Jack the Ripper which I don't know if anybody would be down
for like I could do like an entire like season about this if I really wanted I feel like some people would definitely
be down but I think my psyche and others like my who share the psyche that I have
would be like please stop trying to break me physically and mentally and I feel like you know Albert Fish was for
everybody reached their breaking point at that point I think it was a nice reprieve when it was done four for these
ones is the sweets yeah so with that being said are you just gonna like eat yourself right into it yeah we're gonna
eat right into it it's the first one have you ever even said before hold on a second have I I feel like I have I feel
as though I've never felt this much happiness in my life though I'm wow I don't think you've said eat before I
don't know let us know have I said you eat before um I feel alive so let's go whatever I
can do to make you happy you know yeah now now we get into this well I know I was gonna say sorry about what's coming
next uh I just want to mention a few of the books that I have used for this series so far I'm sure to be adding more
by the fourth one but I by the fourth episode but I will let you know when there's other ones recycle uh these are
really good books you can get them on the Kindle they're you know are you old yeah you know the Kindle the Kindle the
Kindle app get them the Kindle Cloud Reader whatever man you can get them on the cake you can get them on your screen
get them get them on the Internet and then get off my lawn get them on the world wide web so the first one is Jack
the Ripper in the case for Scotland yards Prime Suspect by Robert house okay the second one is the hidden lives of
Jack the Ripper's victims by Robert Hume that's a good one because it really focuses on the victims the third one
which I think right now is my favorite comprehensive look at the case is the complete Jack the Ripper and that's by
Donald rumbolow and then we have the five which is a really good book and a really
interesting one because it's another one that really focuses on the victims their
stories you can get a lot of background it's by Haley rubenhold um she does an amazing job
um and the next one I'm going to talk about the last one for now is called the Ripper code by Thomas tough Hill I
believe it is tefl uh they're all really great they all give you know different point of views they all give really
comprehensive looks at all the evidence and they're fascinating and I think you should read them but I will link them
all cool and again I'm going to be adding to that list so stay tuned for that so what we're going to do with this
episode is I want to talk to you about White Chapel the send at the time which is in the late 1880s we're going to talk
about workhouses because a lot of these women were spending a lot of their time in workhouses and it gets mentioned a
lot and you should know what those are we're going to talk about the first victim we're going to be talking about
Marianne Nichols or Polly Nichols a shoes node we're going to talk about some of the victims that they thought
are still thought to this day although I don't really think so they thought may have been pre-ripper victims like pre
what they call the canonical five okay are the ones that most people know their names
um but they think that they're true a lot of people try to like connect a lot of other cases to this which I'm sure
I'm sure there was more than five I'm sure there could be some I I wouldn't say I'm positive there's more than five
yeah but I couldn't see that being a possibility it's entirely possible that there's more outside of the canonical
five um but I don't think the two that I'm gonna or maybe three that I'm gonna present to you are in any way connected
I just want you to know that they happened that they were talked about to be connected to this case and they kind
of influenced how they looked at a lot of it okay so in this one we'll be covering that
one for sure canonical victim that first one going through the background all that so here we go okay
okay let's talk about White Chapel the East end at the time so the East End of London was not great at the time I was
gonna say I'm already cold and I need a jacket not great and some mace I was gonna say honestly the weather is the
very least of your problems yes at the very least the West End at the time was where the wealthy elite were hanging and
it seemed that the East End was just kind of left to suffer basically it's always like the Upper West Side yeah or
like the Upper East Side you hear but it doesn't really work here which one was Gossip Girl as soon as I said that Upper
East Side I would think I think it was I don't know though not here uh so in in these times the East End there was
rampant crime violence homelessness there was alcoholism was a widespread issue drug use disease it was I mean
there were kids running around with no shoes on no clothes on barely fed geez until the middle of the night when you
know parents would be stumbling home from pubs and whatever else they were doing it was just wild it was dank and
it was Bleak it was actually an English author Arthur Morrison wrote that the East End was quote an evil plexus of
slums that hide human creeping things that's a writer which whoa that's a writer right there what a like
beautifully crafted sentence it's that's just like what what a what a like what a
statement to put on one place it's just like Yep this is what that is that's the
blanket statement of white Japanese it's unfortunate because Whitechapel was right at the center of the East end and
it was where crime was just normal and just constant it was also dark and I don't mean dark it was very dark like
emotionally and yeah you know just like it was dark but physically it was dark it was only lit by sparse Street lamps
so think about how dark those Alleyways and streets were like we don't recognize
a lot of us like we don't recognize how dark it can get outside yeah until you're outside of like you know Suburban
areas and heavily populated areas if you go out to you know like going out to the Berkshires or
something like Upstate New York and you're out in like a cabin in the woods that's when you see dark so that's when
you know what dark is and these people were living in it constantly oh yeah I remember going to Maine for the first
time when I was little and being like oh this is the dark that people are scared
of I get it now like I don't know dark yeah uh there were tenement homes where many many many families would cram
together in one room to live and sleep there were work houses like I mentioned we're going to talk about those later
I'm gonna explain all about this and there were also dos houses where poor and homeless could pay a few Pence for a
bed for a night in a survey done by Charles booth that covered um the years between 1886 to 1903 which is um the
Ripper murders happened in 1988 they started in so this covers that time period 18. 1888
excuse me I will say in 1988 probably a million times I do that anytime I have a
case from the 1800s I don't know why my brain just won't say it um but he found that 22 of people in
White Chapel were living below the poverty line and another 13 were living and struggling to survive quote where a
decent life was not imaginable there were families like I said living in one room with people suffering from
every disease you can imagine like smallpox tuberculosis of all manner of things kids like I said were running
around Barefoot sometimes nude because clothing was a luxury many couldn't afford they lived in and this is awful
they lived in literally like beds that were covered in black beetles and cockroaches and rats would run all over
everything because they were never cleaned because these split like all these lodging houses they were like yep
there's a bed and it was just you just had to deal with it filthy and it was just to have some kind of roof over your
head for for a handful of hours before they would kick you out and just thinking about like little kids and
these living conditions thinking about anybody in this living condition is awful yeah then you think about like
kids that can't even wear clothing yeah and they're just getting like bitten by bugs
and the thing is that these lodging houses you would have to leave during the day so if you were ill or you were
old or you were hurt they would turn you out in the freezing cold until the night
when you could pay again to come sleep in these horrific conditions wow I didn't really not get to stay there
during the day get the hell out in the morning earn your lodging money and come back in and pay me for another night and
you couldn't even keep your stuff there either I'm assuming so it's like everything you have is just yeah in one
place because as we can see even when like some some of these women knew these managers of these dos houses and
workhouses like really well after a while because they were there for so long right and they wouldn't even hold a
bed for them or anything even knowing them for so long they'd be like no I'm gonna earn my money if someone comes to
pays for that bed that's theirs wow robbing stabbing mugging drunken brawls they were literally a minute by minute
occurrence here it was Mayhem there were streets here where police wouldn't go down or they would only walk in groups
police wow yeah uh Thomas Arnold the Police Superintendent of H division in the 1880s said quote there can be no
doubt whatever that whatever that Vice in its worst form exists in White Chapel yeah I would say so
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mostly for men at the time you know slaughterhouses were a massive Market here uh butcher have butchers and they
were just men walking around covered in Block all the time so because animals are being slaughtered like right out in
the open just like over there like very brutal so they're just walking around remember covered in blood a lot right
they burns on that's why some of this was a little tough because we look at it and we're like how's this guy committing
as we're gonna talk about like we'll get at least a good taste of it here these atrocities right that he would be
covered in blood and no one's noticing him because everyone was covered in blood a lot of people didn't bat an eye
at it I mean people were beating the [ __ ] out of each other and drunken brawls and walking down the street with
blood coming out of their face and like no one's really thinking about it there's slaughterhouses butchers all
that stuff walking around covered in animal blood well and I'm sure this was like the kind of place too where because
everything is so violent and scary you mind your damn business that's when you don't pay too much attention to anybody
you got your eyes straight ahead yeah so a lot of people were like yeah I wouldn't have noticed right I don't
think I would have noticed this person walking away covered in blood or if I did it wouldn't have stuck in my brain
because I see it all the time and because these people are just so focused on Survival yeah exactly and for women
sex work was also very rampant in the East End because it was really all they had at that point like they didn't get a
lot of other opportunities they were called unfortunates and it was either a full-time gig where that was where their
money was being made that was the only way they were making their money or it was something that women would find
themselves having to do on the side while also doing things like being a dressmaker a tailor a laundress of other
people's laundry if they were but they were only able to do that if they had a place to launder other people's laundry
if they didn't have a roof over their head they don't have a lot of options and even a tailor a dressmaker they had
to buy the stuff to do that right some of them couldn't do it so you can't just start that business yeah you have to
have like a little money set aside first exactly and then like they would also a
lot of them would sell like paper and fabric flowers that they would make like a lot of them were really really Adept
at sewing and crocheting and all that because you had to be and women at that time wore big fancy hats that put had a
lot of artificial flowers and stuff like the fancy women and so these women would
buy these artificial flowers so they would travel into these like wealthier areas to try to sell them right but then
again it's probably a means of traveling even exactly there's so much against them it was intense and once so when it
came to sex work back here once the client was secured the ACT would take place literally anywhere in alleys in
doorways against walls right usually like I said people didn't have anywhere to bring a client back because they
can't go back into those houses yeah and it's like sometimes they can bring them
back into these dos houses but most of the time not and it's the right time and most of the time it's just like all
right do it and get the money and leave that's it because you're doing it to get
your lodging and then you think about like the filth that that adds oh because yeah I mean sanitation Santa annotation
was real bad back then so it's like all this is happening in very unsanitary conditions you would not want to go with
a black light into white chocolate during this time definitely not now according to Jack the Ripper in the case
for Scotland yards Prime Suspect by Robert house in 1868 there was a survey that showed there were 128 brothels in
Whitechapel at the time and 623 active sex workers wow Stepney another part of the East End had 932 active sex workers
and 350 brothels wow so as you can see it was a big business now any person would look at this and say that
obviously the severely horrific living conditions and rampant poverty were likely the reason sex work was so
rampant at the time because there was really no there was no other choice yeah it was
desperation it was how you were going to get your next meal it was how you're going to feed your kids right they were
doing it for usually just basic human needs that everybody deserves but at the time the social reformers were like no
women are just these like women sex workers are just morally bankrupt sex fiends oh yeah and that they're doing it
just because they like to it's like can you just give them an opportunity maybe yeah I don't know give them any
opportunity to have any other job if they want to like so even at the time of the Ripper murders police commissioner
at the time James Monroe said this about the victims quote the only wonder is that the Rippers operations have been so
restricted there is no lack of victims ready to his hand for scores of these unfortunate women may be seen any night
muddled with drink in the streets and alleys perfectly Reckless as to their safety and only anxious to meet with
anyone who will help them implying their miserable trade wow yeah it's definitely it has nothing to
do with the fact that there's no opportunities outside of this honestly it's just on them he's like yeah that's
a you problem not a me problem you're like cool cool like all right so I think it's time to get into now that we've
like set the background at least for what is going on here let's talk about Marianne Nichols better known to her
friends as Paulie so sometime around 3 40 a.m on August 31st 1888 Charles cross was on his way to work as a Carmen who
which is somebody who drives a horse-drawn carriage for like fancy people cool exactly a jibe um a jibes
get it that's what I used to say I know a child I tribes uh Ash used to think it
was chives yeah yeah so uh he worked in Buck's row which in White Chapel and as he passed some gates and fencing along
the road right in the middle of the road he noticed what he initially said he thought was a tarpaulin which is a big
waterproof tarp essentially but when he got closer he saw that it was a woman lying on her back oh she was
laying very close to a locked gate and what we'll see is that because how White Chapel was
almost all of this so many of these women people saw them at first and were like oh it's a drunk woman just passed
out on the ground like no one thought twice about it it's the fact that that was like oh whatever that was the first
thing that popped into their head like if you if you or I saw that like you would never think oh no that's just a
drunk woman on the ground this must be a drunk woman it's like mild and she was laying very close to the locked gate he
took a closer look and saw that she was still and her skirt had been hiked up closer to her hips another man named
Robert Paul who was also on his way to home from work or to work it varies um he noticed this as well and he came
to help so they felt her she was cold in her face and hands it was still dark out
so they couldn't see details Paul immediately said he was like by the way she was positioned and her skirt was
hiked up I was worried she had been raped so he said he pulled her skirt down to
cover her oh because he was like I just didn't want to leave her out in the open
like that and they ran to grab a police officer now at 3 45 a.m PC John Neal which is police Constable he was walking
his beat through bucks Row in White Chapel when he came across this woman in the street as well at this time Paul and
cross had found PC George mizen and had told him what they had seen he went straight to the scene as well and he met
PC Neil there so PC Neil sent another police officer who showed up at the scene for Dr Reese wealth Lewin I think
it's luolin to come okay um there was usually just like one doctor that they would go and have come for this he
arrived very close to 4am on scene at this time workers from the surrounding butcher shops and other
shops were coming on scene as well because everything's opening up people are going to work all of a sudden
they're seeing this crowd it was clear to the doctor Dr luolin that This Woman's throat had been cut deeply from
ear to ear oh man in fact there were two distinct slashes to her throat one that
was eight inches long and cut so deep that it cut the vertebrae use this um all the tissues and vessel vessels had
been Savaged in her throat later he made very sure to state that he was completely sure that her injuries were
in no way self-inflicted her eyes were wide open staring at the sky but not seeing anything when the
doctor felt her her upper half was beginning to get cold but her legs were warm so they estimated she had been dead
less than a half hour before they got there wow now later in a report PC Neil said quote I examined the body by the
aid of my lamp and noticed blood oozing from a wound in the throat she was lying
on her back with her clothes disarranged this woman was about five foot two with
hair that was brown but turning gray she was missing five of her front teeth she
was wearing a brown red Ulster coat black ribbed wool stockings two petticoats and a black velvet Bonnet
that looked new on the bands of her petticoats were the markings of the Lambeth workhouse so
obviously she had been staying at a workhouse right right with the Lambeth workhouse markings on her petticoats
they decided to look there first to try to identify this woman it was someone from the Lambeth
workhouse a friend Paulie had made while living there named Marianne monk who came down to the morgue and identified
the body as that of Marianne or Paulie Nichols so Paulie was born August 26 1845 at the
time of her death she would have been around 42 years old her father Edward Walker was a
blacksmith and her mother's name was Carolyn or Caroline and she was a laundress
her mother died when she was young and so did her younger brother Frederick who died when he was only two years old this
was very common back then kids did not last past two around this area and think about the conditions we're talking about
here just disease alone she was one of three children with two brothers Edward who was older and Frederick who was
younger at 19 she married her husband William Nichols he was a fleet Street printer for Messer Perkins bacon and
Company in 1864. he worked there where they printed books posted stamps anything that needed to be printed they
printed at one point the couple lived with her father for um I think it was like 12 years they lived with him
um and during this time they had the first of what would later be five children together raging in ages from 8
to 21 at the time of her death luckily after a lot of hustling in the printing business they were able to
afford their own home in 1876 where they accepted they were accepted to live in the Peabody buildings which were a new
set of tenement housing units and they were like pretty like upscale they looked really nice they only accepted
working-class people of high moral character okay now they live together in like okay Harmony yeah whatever for a
while with their children at one point a widow moved in next door to them with her adult daughter Rosetta who had
separated from her husband recently Rosetta helped with the kids while Polly was pregnant and she did yeah there were
Rumblings that William took a liking to Rosetta and Paulie noticed after their child Eliza was born in 1876 Paulie
began drinking gin and the couple started fighting a lot yeah Jen will do that Jen became her her uh poison of
choice now there were several times when Paulie would leave but she went to live
with her father for a while and then she returned back to William in 1877 again the fighting continued until she walked
out again while very pregnant and ended up at Lambeth workhouse for the first time oh no she spent some time there
working towards the end of her pregnancy but once she was reaching that end of her pregnancy she was worried she would
be separated from her baby yeah if she stayed there so she went back to Williams or excuse me William and again
we're going to get into workhouses for sure because her fears were not unfounded that she might be separated
from her baby in 1879 she gave birth to a son Henry but things turned sour again
with William when they started fighting over his possible infidelity at this point things got really bad between them
and she just packed and left left all her children including Baby Henry with William oh no so she just up and left
which is like you know you want to be mad at that but at the same time it's like where where was she gonna take all
these kids it's it's a very it's a hard one to judge and that's why I'm not going to judge it exactly because it's
my initial my of course my initial thing is like how could you ever leave your kids because I I don't get it no but I
also didn't live in that time exactly so I'm not gonna say that I understood it I'm not gonna say
I get what was going through her head I I just you know that's like a Dire Street it is this is everything that
happens in the story of Jack the Ripper uh boils down to desperation and hopelessness it really which is really
sad but you know what in her desperation like we said she went to stay at Lambeth
workhouse again uh this is a good time to get into exactly what a workhouse was and how they came to be
so it's important because many of the Ripper victims like I said were bouncing between these establishments dos houses
lodging houses or they had at least spent time in one of these workhouses now in 1834 in England a law referred to
as the poor law was introduced this law was introduced as a way to help and bring poverty-stricken people back into
work and hopefully housing with the creation of workhouses it was supposed to be sort of a leg up that's what they
were advertising it as but it was proposed as the only way to get Aid if you found yourself poverty-stricken
otherwise you get nothing yikes so it was built on desperation already the power Dynamic is [ __ ] here with this
law work houses would be established where poverty-stricken people could be housed closed and fed but in return they
would work extremely hard doing manual labor things like breaking stones and [ __ ] where the [ __ ] did they need people
to break breaking them up into like gravel literally children could also be put to work uh one common thing that
they would make workhouse inmates do as work was bone crushing what they would have to manually crush
the bones of dead horses cats dogs all to use as fertilizer what what there were a ton of rumors that there were
grave robbing happening as well and that these people were unwillingly crushing human remains as well what the [ __ ]
these work houses were feared and avoided by many they were so don't say they were sometimes referred to as
prisons for the poor and mistreatment was rampant that's what it sounds like it literally sounds worse than prison
yeah people families would be pulled apart and forced to live in different parts of the workhouse they had to wear
uniforms and basically eat prison swap also immediately upon where entering a workhouse formally the person would lose
all voting rights what yeah these workhouses were mandatorily set up in different parishes around and these
parishes were formed and broken up into unions for this the Unions would meet and all of and what they called unions
they would meet in all of the parishes in that Union would help decide what kind of facility they intended to use
and had intended to build excuse me for example how many inmates would be housed
in a particular workhouse each Union was assigned a guardian of that particular workhouse Parish in these Guardians were
supposed to visit the workhouses and make sure everything was up to code and that the conditions were not terrible
totally so what I found was a particular crazy Scandal involving workhouses around this time it was the Andover
workhouse scandal and it changed the way that workhouses run it for for good or yeah okay um it was run by what was
referred to as a Master of the House this one was run by Colin McDougall who was a uh sadist because that's the thing
I was just gonna say as soon as you give somebody the title of Master of the House yeah look out yeah never give
somebody the title of Master too much too much just not gonna work out he intentionally treated the poor like [ __ ]
and he actually took the food intended for his workhouse and just gave it to his own house what like he would just
feed his own family with that food he was violent he liked watching poor people suffer he also refused to allow
Guardians to come into the workhouse for a Time citing some loophole in the law that he was able to get away with it
really yeah later sexual assault accusations were lodged against him knew that was coming and soon it was clear
that people living in this particular workhouse were so star starving that they were Skin and Bones he was
literally starving them all then rumors began to swirl that people would fight for the job of bone crushing in this
particular workhouse just so they could eat the marrow from the bones and pick the Rotting Flesh off of them to eat so
this is a they were that hungry this is literally a prison camp this was confirmed a man named Hugh Monday who
was um he was a magistrate and member of the overseers on the andoverboard he actually testified that this was true
when he investigated it he testified under oat oath and I quote when a beef bone or chine bone was turned out of the
Heap there was a Scramble for it described like a parcel of dogs and the man who got it was obliged to run away
and hide it until he had an opportunity of eating the marrow one man fetched two
bones which he had eaten that very morning in wet ashes a portion of muscle very offensive was adhering to the ends
of the bone the med said that it was a considerable time before they could make up their minds to do so but after they
had once taken to it they preferred that description of lay labor to any other because they could get bones to pick wow
this got everything moving because they were like oh this is not okay like the thought of people doing this like and
being described as like a pack of animals yeah fighting for bones to crush so that they can hide some to eat the
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simplysafe.com morbid [Music] now but the problem was here that some of the players in this whole thing had a
conflicting interest in keeping the end over workhouse as it was right eventually the inquiry into this
mistreatment and torture of inmates was just dropped just dropped but luckily this did make
people look closely at what the [ __ ] was happening here uh the poor law commission was basically running itself
and had no parliamentary oversight at all this was unacceptable and it wasn't working clearly a bunch of newspapers
reported about it and this brought at least the removal of Colin McDougall and Andover the Master of the House there
but another [ __ ] just took his place right now during the investigation Home Secretary Sir James Graham was found to
have basically told the Commissioners to get the whole Andover Scandal quieted and concluded quickly he was like just
make it go away all of this led to a committee um being formed to take action and
investigate the Andover workhouse situation for real this time instead of just dropping the inquiry why would you
just drop that because they just didn't they didn't want to deal with it how do you drop that yeah because they don't
care they don't care I just don't understand again I think we said this last time but the lack of empathy yeah
they were horrified at the findings this horror and mistreatment unfortunately ended up being an almost
across-the-board situation when they started looking into other workhouses as well they completely dismantled the poor
law commission at this time and changed it into a board that would have to have Parliament oversight it slowly got
better and eventually around 1930 the entire law and system was abolished and that was in 1930. good so remember this
while we speak about what these women were living through it just kind of paints a bigger picture of where they
were in life and the fact that it took from like this is the 1880s we're talking about and it took until 1930 to
have this abolished like that's [ __ ] wild yeah and they were I mean there was something called like picking okum and
it meant like picking the you would have to like untangle old like ropes from ships and your it would make your
fingers bleed worse and that was it was the kind of manual labor they had to do was so tedious and so harsh and so
intense and just for a meal and it would just drive you insane yeah after like a
month or so and just for a meal and a bed for the night and then you'd be separated from your family because men
and women were also separated from each other they had to eat in separate places
work in separate places why as long as they're getting their work done and like yeah like I mean this is like ridiculous
oh you know why I can tell you why because they're reasoning to have more babies yeah they didn't want them to
breed more poor people right that's what their reasoning was that they would openly say so [ __ ] yeah
wild so so this is why we're gonna now we're going to go back to um the separation from uh Paulie's husband okay
um and her going and moving back into Lambeth workhouse around 1880. and do you know how bad Lambeth was Lambeth I
think was like just on par with shittiness with workhouses especially in 1880 like [ __ ] was still really awry
there kind of sounds like a workhouse as a workhouse it really is it's not great
you're not going to have a good time there you're not going to get rest there it's just not good so after the
separation from her husband he allowed um Nichols five pence per or five Shillings per week excuse me which was
actually required by law of him once you separated from your spouse like the husband would have to pay a weekly
allowance it's like a.m what's that called uh I know what you're talking about for
my video I think of it it just is so you just you pay him money yeah so there you
go that's what it is now at the time of her death he said he had not seen her in
about three years oh so now in 1882 he found out through some channels that she had been living life as a sex worker
since their separation and so he said I'm not paying any more so he stopped paying the weekly allowance
her friends told her that she needed to get a summons to force him to pay again and so she contacted the Guardians of
the Parish of Lambeth who you would go to if you were living in that workhouse and they were able to then summons
William to come testify as to why he stopped paying her weekly allowance but after a bunch of Witnesses were asked to
testify about her quote-unquote street life and now quote-unquote a moral character the Guardians agreed with
Williams reasoning for stopping his required payment and that was it that sucks kind of shows you how the
Guardians looked at the poor they kind of wanted to keep them desperate so that they were forced to work in that
workhouse yeah they needed their work to get done now interestingly later in 1896
this is just like a little side thing this was after the Ripper murders a seven-year-old boy named Charlie Chaplin
would show up at the door of Lambeth workhouse with his mother and brother after their father abandoned them you're
telling me that is this Charlie Chaplin yeah what they found themselves on very hard times after his dad had abandoned
the family yes that Charlie Chaplin lived at Lambeth workhouse for spell wow isn't that wild that is but back to Mary
Polly Nichols after losing her allowance from William she tried to retain lodging
in many different places or around the area but nothing's stuck she could get it for a night here and there she stayed
with her father for another stay but her drinking caused him to them to have some
issues he said later he never threw her out but there were times where it just got too bad and she would leave yeah
um so by this time William had actually moved on with Rosetta yeah I knew that all along she was pregnant with his
child [ __ ] will yeah she bounced again around to different workhouses and lodging houses and in 1886 her brother
Edward actually died from a fire he died in a fire his funeral was the last time
her father saw Paulie alive in 1886. also just a backup for a second [ __ ] William for cheating on his wife and
then saying I'm not going to continue to pay her even though I'm the reason why she left yeah it's like a real bad
situation like that's just so that's a dick move on a dick exactly it's it's sadness on every level because it's like
and just betrayal she was drinking because she was depressed because from his actions being unfaithful and she was
feeling like this Rosetta was this younger pretty thing and she was having all these babies and probably like that
can [ __ ] with your hormones everybody worse they didn't know what postpartum was but no of course and it can when
he's looking at this younger woman you're sitting here thinking like what the hell is going on here she starts
drinking it's bad decision making on every level in everybody's corner I mean you don't turning to drinking in that
scenario is not the right choice of course it happened and there were circumstances that led to it and it's
just did you it's just bad choices it just sounds like single Arena of this whole story well it just sounds like he
was gaslighting the [ __ ] out of her yeah it's just it's bad it's just bad scenarios mean it's just really bad so
in 1887 she had been kicked out of a living situation she had for a little bit of a time with a man named Thomas
Drew uh they had lived together for a little bit but she started drinking again he got tired of it and kicked her
out it was October but she had to sleep outside in Trafalgar Square which is where a lot of them had to like yeah
huddled together to sleep after a bit of time there on October 29th 1887 a bunch
of people were arrested in the Square I found an article in the people's newspaper from the time elicited and
listed them under the headline Trafalgar Square vagrants and said Nichols and five men and two
other women were arrested there and charged with quote sleeping in the open air and wandering without visible means
yeah because they don't have anywhere to go because your city sucks they got through the others and so they got
through to the others and they say that most of them agreed to go to work houses
or they had somewhere work like to be so they were let go after they arrested them but Nichols is stated in the
article to be quote the worst woman in the square and labeled quote very disorderly oh man she was however
released on her own recognizance she went before the magistrate and was let off with a warning but was forced to go
back to the Lambeth workhouse oh so she went back to her old stomping ground at Lambeth but only lasted 10 days before
being kicked out of there oh my goodness as we'll see a lot of these women are very feisty very fiery women they had to
be well that's what I was gonna say it sounds they didn't have a choice there's a lot of getting kicked out of places
there's a lot of brawling there's a lot of real tough lifestyle because they had
to because it's fighting to stay alive yeah now here's another interest tidbit we're going to be full of those during
this I mean it's an interesting time so at this time rooms for lodging were anywhere from six to seven Pence usually
like that's what you would pay for one room for one night and you had to share with multiple of the other people and
like I said before you left the next morning but there were a couple of things you could
do if you paid less than that and they were pretty awful for one pence homeless people could
enter some lodging houses and sit on a bench all night but they were not allowed to sleep you could sit up and
awake on a bench all night why can't they just sleep on the bench like why yeah that's the dumbest [ __ ] for two
pence they could do something called a two Penny hangover which meant you could sit on the bench in a row next to other
two pencers like a whole row of them and they would string a rope in front of all
of you and you could hang over that rope to sleep but you could only sleep if you
were slung over that rope what the [ __ ] is history and a lot of people think the term hangover came from
that oh yeah I mean that makes sense so for four Pence there were things called coffins that you could sleep in legit
you slept in a wooden box with a tarp over it what the [ __ ] and it would have a ton of bugs and [ __ ] in it it was
because it was not protected from the elements it was just like in a wooden box I guess essentially a coffin
so those are the choices you would have and also just like the Mind Games that that yeah like how that just [ __ ] with
your brain it is it's a lot of Mind Games it's it's a lot of sadness at this time there was just a lot of sadness
psychological warfare yeah so after getting kicked out of Lambeth again after those 10 days yeah Paulie bounced
around again ended up sleeping in the Square outside again in December oh no and then
she finally stumbled into Mitchum workhouse in Holborn and on January 4th 1888. at the time she had a nasty cough
and was very ill after sleeping outside in December so then when she came into the workhouse they sent her right to the
infirmary because they did have infirmaries here okay that's good um she's home stocked yeah I know she spent
a good amount of time there and in April she was sent back to Lambeth because that was her home parish and apparently
Holborn didn't want to pay to take care of her in their Parish anymore wow yeah she did pretty well this time around and
the matron of Lambeth workhouse actually ended up recommending her for a job working as a domestic servant for a
couple Francis and Martha cowdry who lived in a newly built home called Ingleside in Wandsworth common okay this
is beautiful looking like Brownstone kind of thing and like a really great opportunity for the opportunity to get
at least have a place to sleep on May 12 1888 she left Lambeth and took this opportunity so Martha and Francis
according to her she wrote letters to her father explaining us we're very kind to her good they were good people I'm
getting excited and I know I know and it's like a really bad ending but they expected her to work very hard she was
the only quote-unquote servant in the home and she was like she was the only person on staff she was expected to cook
clean keep the fires going keep the chimneys clean polish silver run errands do sewing work needlepoint literate
laundry every shoes run the house that will make you go crazy yeah it seemed for a while that she was at least
attempted to throw herself into this kind of life she was like you know what maybe this is my chance and she had said
that to her father she wrote in a an email I almost said oh my God she emailed him real quick I opened her
MacBook and said gmail.com she wrote a letter because we are talking about the 1880s uh she wrote
a letter to him and said you know like I'm really gonna try to get this going I think this is my opportunity it's really
hard work but it's also very tedious I'm very bored but we can do this and again
it was hard work but it looked it was looked at his honest work and she was looking you know I'm gonna get myself up
in the ranks of society unfortunately this life was not for Paulie who knows what the reasoning really was but she
ended up just up and leaving exactly two months after she started to work there she is feisty
I I feel she's been bouncing around now for years yeah and work houses lodging houses she's tired been on the street
she slept in the Square she's been arrested she's been in Brawl it her life is a constant
fight and I feel like this I imagine again I have not been in this position so I cannot say for sure I
imagine after you've gotten used to that kind of fight or flight existence settling to this it's hard doing the
same thing each day and every day and then just sitting by yourself too yeah it must be lonely and must be a very
hard transition to go through because other she was never alone in the streets and on these workhouses and lodging
houses she had people around her she had people that she knew she at least had people that were friends of hers she's
really alone here so who knows though she just two months after up and left unfortunately she left with stolen
Linens that were valued at over 300 pounds today damn Mrs cowdry immediately reported her to Lambeth workhouse
because after all they recommended her and she now made them look bad she took the Linens immediately pawned them and
she used the money for gin she said sheets of Egyptian cotton you won't get that because I've never seen Uptown
Girls no I definitely don't know what that is but there you go yeah that's what she did
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to do at this point so she turned back to sex work she obviously had stopped while she was living with the cow dreams
but this is all she could do at this point she could manage to stay at some lodging homes or dos houses on both
thrall Street and flower and Dean streets around this time but apparently according to the hidden lives of Jack
the Ripper victims thrall Street was so dangerous that this was the street that police would only walk in
um I think groups of Threes wow yeah she was staying in a Dos house on thrall Street the night she was murdered what
was a Dos house I think you said it before but a Dos house um this is where you could get a room for like four pens
three pens you basically could just stay there kind of like a motel it was a bed
okay that's it you're going to bed you don't pay for any bed get the [ __ ] out if you pay for your bed you can stay
here till the morning then get the [ __ ] up gotcha basically and again you could
get some of these for four Pence three Pence if you shared and even two pence at the time but that was rare these were
not you getting a room it was you getting a bit yeah and it was a shelter it was literally like
um like a hostel kind of thing like we're all staying in the same kind of like a really gnarly hostel
um you would all be staying in the same room it was rough now between August 24th and August 30th of
1888 Paulie definitely had a room at White House which was at 56 flower and Dean streets in spittle fields this area
was a place where people were servicing clients and Alleyways and doorways right
in the open people like the spittle fields are very known uh people were openly robbing passerbys and stabbings
were an everyday occurrence the streets around it were called things like Blood Alley and do as you please Street for
real yep at this time she was sharing a room at 18 thrall Street in spitalfields
with a woman named Ellen Holland okay now August 30th 1888 Witnesses saw Paulie leaving the frying pan which was
a pub that a lot of people frequented at the time she left around 12 30 a.m and at 1 30ish in the morning Witnesses saw
her try to enter the Dos house that she had been staying at but the owner said no way because she didn't have her four
Pence and again she'd been staying there for a while but they did not give you you don't have any chance yes she was
heard laughing in his face and saying quote and this is a quote that is like across the board that people said they
heard she said quote I'll soon get my dos money see what a jolly Bonnet I've got now and she was showcasing casing a
black velvet Bonnet that appeared to be new oh no one had seen it before on her so nobody really knows where it came
from but it was like I guess it was like um had like the almost that wicker look
on part of it but it was a black velvet on the inside and it was black like that
wicker stuff right right now a bit after this she ran into Ellen who was her roommate at that dos house and she ran
into her around Osborne Street and they just chatted for a bit Ellen said Paulie
seemed very happy very drunk and Ellen was like Hey like why don't you come back to the doll's house with me like
you need to get off the street and Polly responded quote I've had my lodging money three times today and I've spent
it at the frying pan or the 10 Bells I won't be long before I'm back oh so she was literally like oh I've made it three
times today and I've spent it and she was like okay so she left Ellen towards White Chapel Road her plans were very
clear she was going to get a client make her four Pence and she was gonna head back to the Dos that's what she told
Ellen okay it was a very short time later around 3 45 a.m that Paulie Nichols was found brutally murdered on
the street in Bucks row White Chapel it's so sad because she was so close to just going in for the night and she
seemed to be having like she was just joking with people to just be like ah [ __ ] it I've spent all my logic money
but I'm just gonna go make some and I'll be back like she just seemed like she was just having like a whatever night
yeah and then she just leaves her friend her roommate and there it is and it was
right around her birthday it was yeah which is really sad yeah now after the initial examination after she was found
the doctor on the scene ordered that she'd be taken to the mortuary that would be for the workhouses mortuaries
were definitely not the works of today uh so they waited and they left her there before they just left her in the
open before summoning to workhouse inmates quote unquote that's what they would call workhouse people so it was a
person basically to come and move her so they were like being that was part of their workhouse job yikes so they came
and immediately took her to the very crude Mortuary that was where she was going to be examined like a Hut on the
side of the room no it's like literally like a shed in like next to a workhouse basically uh there she was stripped of
all of her clothing and while this was happening they noticed that besides the gaping and obvious neck wound that they
saw there was a hidden and rather large and very Jagged gash on the lower side of her lower left side of her abdomen
her intestines were literally spilling out of this wound now according to the complete Jack the
Ripper by Donald rumbolow quote the abdomen had been cut open from the center of the bottom of the ribs along
the right side under the pelvis to the left of the stomach they were there the wound was Jagged the omentum or fatty
membrane which covers the front of the stomach was cut in several places and there were two small stab wounds on the
vagina just a warning for all four of these there's a lot of [ __ ] that you're gonna
hear and these they are gruesome they are graphic I'm going to give it all to you so just know that ahead of time uh
there's a lot of like you know what appears to be sexual immutable mutilation and brutality so just so you
know Jack the Ripper had a lot of issues yeah obviously um there were several incisions made in
her abdomen many of them were very deep when she was moved to take off her clothing they saw that blood had soaked
her clothes and the pavement beneath her immediately they thought that this weapon was a blade around six to eight
inches long and they believed it could have been something like a shoemaker's knife
Marianne monk who was Paulie's friend who identified her was also the one who connected police with Paulie's father
and husband she was like you should probably let them know yeah now William her estranged husband came right down to
the mortuary and Witnesses said when he laid eyes on her he was silent and just stunned for a while but he felt a little
guilty when after a long time he said quote seeing you as you are now I forgive you for what you have done for
to me he then turned and said to the doctors well there is no mistake about it it has come to a sad end at last okay
which is sad it seems like it's a sad it you know you just like look at this and you're like both of you are just sad
yeah like that is each other over it was a toxic relationship that began as not a
toxic relationship and that's sad yeah and I think it was like it's like you both had the best of intentions but but
it really didn't know they say the road to hell is paved with good and exactly now this case was already flummoxing
because she was laid right out in the open and also right under the windows of two women who were Mrs Green and Mrs
Perkins who were both home and at least one of them was awake at the time of the
murder damn and nobody heard anything so this killer must have been fast it must
have been efficient to sever that windpipe so quickly so that she couldn't scream to render her silent while he
mutilated her right now Thursday September 6 1888 was Paulie's funeral William paid for it but did not come
six years later he married Rosetta six years later I'm done with Rosetta yeah I mean six years later at least he
didn't just like run out and marry her but like that's the thing that is a thing that is a thing now interestingly
like I said they were at a loss because this man or group of people they were pretty sure it was one man uh had done
this quickly very efficiently and was able to run away without being seen and would have been covered in blood at
least on his hands but who wasn't the only thing they could point to like we talked about earlier would be the
various butcher shops in the area and slaughterhouses which would make it easier for someone to go around now
notice with blood all over them it's so crazy to think about yeah especially in the early morning when everything's
getting set up yeah of course they would be girls setting up exactly so yeah it's
a little weird but you know it's a lot weird it's a little weird don't keep it that weird but we have a couple of other
murder victims that I mentioned before before Marianne Nichols that made investigators Quirk their eyebrows a bit
and wonder if they were connected so what we are trying to so what a lot of people who look into this case say is
they believe there are 11 murders that people end up trying to connect together yeah they try to form those together
with the canonical five and this is one of them so there's hot debate about whether
there were two victims before Nichols that seemed to be connected or just one or any before her at all right I am on
the uh none before her at all oh okay so you don't yeah you think she is definitely I believe she's the first one
that we know about but if I find another one I will eat my hat so the Newcastle Chronicle and then the hall Daily Mail
wrote articles claiming that there were six White Chapel murders as we know canonical five uh Emma was the first
that they cite this woman named Emma so they were at least at the time claim it claiming that she was part of this
canonical set they looked at her as part of this five okay um we know the name of one victim for
sure was Emma Elizabeth Smith this is one of the victims that they try to claim she was attacked April 3rd 1888
which was only a few months before Paulie she was 45 at the time of her death and was working as a sex worker at
the time and was living in a Dos house at 18 George Street spitalfields not alone is known about her but she's often
described as a widow who had two adult children she had a tendency to drink a lot and when she did she often got
herself into fights she was seen many times with black eyes and other injuries which she would say was because of a bar
fight or a fight in the street over some silly nonsense uh it was 12 15 a.m April
3rd that her friend and Feller fellow lodger at the Dos house Margaret Hayes or Hames different in different sources
um Margaret saw her speaking to a man dressed in a black suit with a white handkerchief around his neck
she said he was average to medium build and unfortunately she could not identify
him if she had seen him she was like I don't think I could pick him out of a lineup to be honest which looked good
for her for being honest yeah I was like sorry I can't do that we appreciate it you know she was seen speaking to this
man in the area of farron Street Limehouse it was shortly after this that something terrible happened to Emma she
survived it but she was badly injured oh [ __ ] yeah uh so around four or five in the morning
she now she initially survived it is what I should say I had a feeling that that's
what I was going to say around four or five in the morning she stumbled back into the lodging house at 18 George
Street and the deputy of the lodging house Mrs Mary Russell immediately saw that she was in terrible shape she saw
her face was a bloody mess and her ear had almost been completely cut off she told her that she had been beaten raped
and robbed on her way home to Osborne Street she said she was in a lot of pain in her lower half of her body and with
that she was taken to London Hospital this is where it's really bad and I'm going to warn you ahead of time
it was found that she had walked a quarter of a mile to the lodging home from where she was attacked by herself
it had taken her four hours oh and she had passed multiple police officers none of which asses she asked for help and
none of which they asked to help her Jesus Christ this is just so sad and it's like she would have when you find
out what her injuries are it would have been very clear that she was in pain and
I know it was in the it's dark and I understand that you couldn't see that she was covered in blood you're a police
but she had to have been moaning in pain there's no way she was silently walking
this forward and she understood hours and I'm sure she's walking like shuffling oh yeah because when you find
out what her injuries are there's no way she was walking normally it was discovered by George Dr George haslip
who was the surgeon on duty when she arrived at the hospital that aside from her facial injuries she was suffering
from incredibly horrific internal damage because a blunt instrument had been forcibly inserted into her vagina hard
enough to cut the perineum which is the skin between the vagina and anus also the peritoneum had been ruptured
this is the tissue that lines the abdominal wall and also lines most of your internal organs oh my
she had torn a length of fabric from her shoulder strap and used it to hold between her legs and soak up the blood
so she walked the entire four hours with that between her legs soaking up the massive amounts of blood she was like
she's hemorrhaging yeah unfortunately she died the following day from secondary peritonitis which is an
infection and inflammation of the peritoneum from rupture that's what they thought happened to Virginia Virginia
rapid yeah but before her death she had told those around her what had happened to her she was like I gotta tell you
what happened now an inquest was ordered into her desk a desk death April 7th and
apparently the police weren't even told about any of this until April 6th so they didn't hear about this crime that
had been committed against her until after right so they already lost a ton of Investigation time right now
according to the inquest of which the transcript was posted in the times in April 1888 Mr Wynn e Baxter the East
Middlesex coroner held an inquiry on Saturday the 7th of April at the London Hospital and it says respecting the
death of Emma Elizabeth Smith age 45 a widow lately living at 18 George Street spitalfields who it is alleged had been
murdered Chief Inspector west of the H division of police attended for the commissioners of police it says George
Mr George haslip house surgeon stated that when the deceased was admitted to the hospital she had been drinking but
was not intoxicated she was bleeding from the head and ear and had other injuries of a revolting nature Witnesses
found that she was suffering from rupture of the peritoneum which had been perforated by some blunt
instrument used with great force the deceased told him that at half past one that morning she was passing near White
Chapel church when she noticed some men coming towards her she crossed the street to avoid them but they followed
assaulted her took all the money she had and then committed the outrage she was unable to say what kind of instrument
was used nor could she describe her assailants except that she said that one of the youths was of 19 years old
death insured on Wednesday morning April 4th through peritonitis set up by the injuries it says Chief Inspector West H
division stated that he had no official information on the suspect and was only aware of the case through the daily
papers geez imagine like you you're reading the daily paper as the police chief and you're like oh cool maybe
somebody should have called me he had questioned the constables on the beat but none of them appeared to know
anything about the matter the coroner said that from the medical evidence which must be true it was clear
that the woman had been barbariously murdered it was impossible to imagine a more brutal and dastardly assault and he
thought the ends of Justice would be better met by the jury recording their verdict at once then by adjourning to
some future date in the hope of having more evidence brought before them when police did investigate the scene and the
crime it was tough because again it was reported days after when they looked at the scene they found there was no blood
on the pavement so they assumed her clothing and especially the cloth she ripped from her shoulder strap had
soaked it all up they had no physical descriptions of the men or man other than the notion that she kind of
believed one of them was around 19 years old yeah so this one because she stated in no
uncertain terms that it was men I don't think this is it that's what I was thinking too because she she said it
was a few yeah and it's the robbing thing I think that most of the time when there was any kind of robbing associated
with the Jack the Ripper case it was a fake staged or just it just I don't know it doesn't ring true to me and I don't
think he would leave a victim alive yeah I don't think you would have taken that
chance yeah I don't he's he's too efficient and he's too quick he's too as we'll see most of these some of them are
done in under 15 minutes right I mean they're and he severs the windpipe he severs the windpipe so no noise happens
and so that you bleed out he wants that carotid artery done so that he can just do his he likes to do the mutilations
postmortem so I don't think it fits I don't think so either I don't think Jack the Ripper is
men I think it's Amen I yeah from what I know I I agree as well that's just me and I don't know it's just like an
entirely different attack yeah that's the thing it just doesn't feel the same to me uh but I mean that's just my
opinion now there is one mythical type case that doesn't really have a name attached to it it's like an unknown
victim and this is before Emma's murder around October or Christmas in 1887 so the year before I love that they're like
maybe Halloween maybe Christmas because we don't even know if this happened it might just be a total mythical thing
it's just like a rumor but I had to look into it because it is mentioned so often
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so it's an unknown woman who is also said to be found on Osborne Street or around Osborne Street she was later
referred to as fairy Faye that was her nickname but in an article in the New York Tribune so another country remember
we're now we're over here yeah so take this with a giant grain of salt because news is like a giant telephone uh as we
all know it said this the history of the reign of terror which now paralyzes all
London with the Panic of fear reaches back for a year the mutilators first because that's they used to call this
the mutilation series and him the mutilator yeah the mutilator's first success was
achieved early in the month of October 1887 when the dark hours of the morning the Fright frightfully lacerated body of
a woman was found lying in the passageway of a narrow alley in the immediate vicinity of Bishop's Gate
Street East the victim was an elderly woman gin soaked degraded and lost no one appeared to be aware of her real
name her friends if any had long ago disappeared she stood alone alone among her kind a homeless Shameless Wanderer
nobody cared about her nobody made the least effort to find out why she was murdered or to discover her murderer
they regarded it as the most natural and fitting kind of death under the circumstances shoveled her body
underground and forgot the case within two days wow now that's so that kind of thing that kind
of statement that kind of description of this particular case is mentioned in a lot of newspapers
but they don't have a name for her and there's a lot of debate since known real name is attached to it and it has so
many similarities when you really look into it to Emma Smith's case that may be the one we just talked about a lot of
researchers wonder if these two cases are actually just a jumbled misrepresentation of Emma's case
and this second case is just pieces of the real Emma case that changed a bit to represent another fictional victim okay
because you I can't I couldn't find reports of it in the year 1887 I'm there might be some right but it's just
interesting would you you have to wonder too like was that a filler article yeah
you don't know because well that's the thing they're in a lot of newspapers though and in London it's she's
mentioned that that case is mentioned in a lot of different newspapers all over the place do you think it could have
just been like the hype about the case and like well there's another one and it definitely could have that's the thing
but then I was like why is it getting mentioned so much I can believe that like we jumbled Emma into another
fictional victim just because of the hype I can get that um but then I came across because I was
like really obsessed with this and I really went crazy one night and I came across this parliamentary debate from
November 14th 1888 where a guy named Mr pickergill who was a member of parliament at the time brought up the
existence of a woman being brutally mutilated and murdered the Christmas before Emma Smith oh so Mr Pickersgill
brings up um he's like talking about Sir Charles Warren who was this is really funny Sir
Charles Warren I had to talk to John about this because he was a criminal justice major too he was an answer to
many of my criminal justice tests in college like as soon as I saw that name I was like oh that guy yeah
um he so what they're doing in this uh debate he talks about the Metropolitan Police for uh force and how he is
running it amid what they refer to as the mutilation series and in this debate it states quote to at least of the
murders in the East End did not belong to what we might perhaps call the mutilation Series so long ago as
Christmas week last a woman was murdered in the streets of White Chapel and again
on Easter Tuesday another unfortunate woman while passing by White Chapel church was done to death by a gang of
three men she lived long enough to State her story so far it was perfectly clear
that these crimes did not belong to the abnormal series which was now baffling our detective system but they rather
pointed to that disorderly condition of the public streets so this to me this is a member of parliament in 1888
talking about Emma and talking about one other case that happened sometime around Christmas the year
before yeah that's a that's a valuable source that feels like he's mentioning that fairy Faye yeah um and this also
illustrates how people in the Press were likely trying to connect these murders to Jack the Ripper at the time but even
they state that it was like even the parliament debate they're stating these are clearly not connected but instead
just show how terribly dangerous the East End was at the time yeah exactly so as far back as then they were being like
no I don't think these two are part of the mutilation series I think they're just showing how shitty things are and
how we're not investigating these crimes properly I mean so that to me shows me Emma's not part of this series to
neither is potentially and neither is fairy Faye so bringing us back to August 30th there's also another woman named
Martha who is like the third one after Emma I believe they try to connect her a lot to it that one has no connection to
me so I didn't even go into it because it doesn't connect to this case even slightly in my opinion okay I also wish
that instead of Jane instead of Jane Doe we said fairy Faye I know it's a really
pretty way to describe someone it is it's like more it just like feels better than Jane Doe it's just nice you know so
bringing us back to August 30th when Paulie Nichols met her unfortunate end there were cries for justice and the
police wanted a suspect obviously they began speaking to sex workers in the area and women who they would who would
have been friends with the victim to ask if they knew of any terrible men who could have done this like have you run
into any bad clients many of these women had one name to say and it was John or Jack Pizer better known for his nickname
leather apron what he was a boot finisher finisher which is why he often wore a leather apron and that's what
they called him that sounds so intense I'm all boot finisher finisher he was a true [ __ ] he used some sex workers
but also blackmailed them and physically salted them brutally [ __ ] that they were
scared of him and conveyed this to the police one newspaper described him as quote a more ghoulish and devilish brute
than can be found in all the pages of shocking fiction inspector Joseph helson of Scotland Yard
said quote a man named Jack Pfizer Alias leather apron has for some considerable
period been in the habit of illusing and they referred to them as prostitutes in
this and other parts of the Metropolis he went on the on uh he actually went on the run when he heard that he was a
person of interest I will say right now I don't believe leather apron is the guy
you don't I don't think a lot of people believe whether apron is the guy he's just I'm sure some people do but I do
not now meanwhile the police were a mess at this time in August 1888 the head of
the criminal investigation department of the Metropolitan Police Force resigned right before Nichols was killed so it
was right before she was killed not good the criminal investigation department or
CID were run by detective inspectors inspectors and their job was to investigate crimes that had already
occurred as opposed to the other side of the Metropolitan Police Force which the
police Constable is patrolling beats were there to prevent crime from happening in the first place so one side
was preventing crime the other side was the we deal with it after it happens so the head of the criminal
investigations Department resigned right before Nichols was murdered and then stepped a guy named Robert Anderson
so Anderson worked for years in secret service and spy circles and was placed into the role of chief of the Cid in
August 1888. now as luck would have it and the Ripper case is full of bad luck as we will see in further installments
of this Anderson was a [ __ ] mess in August 1888 too he was so over exhausted from his various dealings and work that
he was on the brink of a nervous breakdown in a possible physical breakdown because he was like he had a
hundred different jobs he was the head of all these different depart he was like strung out to the furthest right
so it got so bad that his doctor at this time told him you need to take a couple
of weeks off and rest or like they were literally like you need to separate from
your work for two full weeks or you may die like literally you might die and so he listened it's like it's
exhaustion yeah he listened and he left for Switzerland to take a vacation for two weeks the perfect place to go on the
brink of a mental collapse go to Switzerland head to Switzerland uh he left on September 7th so now the new
head of the criminal investigations Department in charge of investigating this heinous crime and whether it was
the work of a killer who'd strike again is in Switzerland great and the day after he leaves another murder occurred
no no and that's where we're gonna leave you for part one all right with the head of the criminal
Injustice the criminal investigations Department in Switzerland on a doctor-ordered holiday so he doesn't die
from stress what did uh what did they say in Hannah Montana ye doggy I was gonna say I do
not know yeah you don't know oh my goodness dude so that is uh that's the beginning of Jack
the Ripper uh we are going to talk about Annie Chapman next Elizabeth stride and
Catherine eddos were going to uh we're gonna get into it and I think um hopefully if this is four parts the
fourth part will be us going deep into suspects and theories and all that so don't worry we're going to take the time
on that but yeah that's our first victim uh Mary or Paulie is what she was known to as
people who Who Loved Her Polly Nichols they're just like so sad overall just it's really sad it's this whole thing is
sad like devastating there's a lot of um like really getting into Annie Chapman next to like is it just really sad
uh life yeah basically all these women I feel just had like the saddest lead up to the most brutal end yeah it really is
it's just like all of it is really brutal but I'm gonna link all five of those books that I mentioned and I'm
sure by part two I will have added more to your reading list on top of that so people are gonna have to get new
bookshelves after this you're gonna have to get an entire shelf that's just for Jack the Ripper stuff I mean people are
ripperologists people like absolutely like dedicate their lives to this so I get it I used to not get that I get it
oh I get it when you become like so enthralled and especially with a unsolved case that has so many theories
I get it well that's the thing I used to like I always thought it was an interesting case but I was like how can
you really be a ripperologist how much evidence can you really be looking at right and then when you start diving
into it you're like holy [ __ ] it's like overwhelming I remember my sophomore or
Junior year writing like a silly paper about it you know just a high school paper and being like Oh my God like yeah
how am I gonna get all this information in one paper and yeah I very much did not I very much didn't I did not use
that well the amount of witnesses that are involved the amount of people who saw these women at different times and
could State what they saw is really interesting newspaper.com I'm telling you is like
whoa It's a gold mine I have been and they're not they don't pay us just so you know like I'm just like no we pay
them yeah I pay them and I will continue to because it's a great research Source
in finding these old newspapers that were written at the time I know and in the panic and in the vernacular that was
used it's just all like I couldn't get enough I was picking out so many of them and John was like please stop it puts
you there like I said like with the vernacular and everything and it's real it is yeah it makes it real because
sometimes it's hard you know over a hundred years ago it's hard to put yourself in this as like a reality and
then when you start reading the newspapers and reading these witness statements and the the coroner's reports
and Corners in quests there's you're like holy [ __ ] this really happened like this is a real thing that happened and
it's really [ __ ] brutal and really awful and these women it's so sad but um there's also there's a couple of
websites I'm going to link to that are just like fascinating and you guys will get just taken down the rabbit hole with
them there's like Ripper case book and a couple of other ones that I really want
you to go see because they're just wealths of information they have a lot of the inquests and all that so um and
actually one of them after I found that parliamentary debate I was kept searching further and I found that this
other website had also found that parliamentary debate so I was like cool okay so it's real I was like that's fun
um but yeah I'll link all of those link all the books and get ready because it's
gonna get worse and worse yeah I apologize in the meantime we uh we do hope that you keep listening I know we
hope you keep it weird but not so weird it's White Chapel in 1880 baby it got better guys I promise
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Brief Summary

The episode starts a series on Jack the Ripper, focusing on Polly Nichols and the harsh realities of life in Whitechapel in the 1880s.

Key points

Introduction to Jack the Ripper Series. The hosts introduce a four-part series on Jack the Ripper, emphasizing the morbid nature of the topic.
Rampant Crime and Violence. The East End of London was plagued by crime, violence, and poverty, creating a dangerous environment.
Sex Work in the East End. The discussion highlights the prevalence of sex work as a desperate means of survival.
The Legacy of Desperation. The story highlights the desperation faced by women like Paulie in the 1880s.
Life in the Workhouse. The workhouse system was designed to control the poor, often treating them worse than prisoners.
Polly Nichols' Struggles. After losing her allowance, Polly faces homelessness and struggles with alcohol.

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