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[Music] The Most Dangerous Game also published as the hounds of Zaroff is a short story by Richard Connell the
fictional work was first published in January of 1924. the story features a big game hunter
from New York City Who falls off a yacht and swims to what seems to be an abandoned and isolated island in the
Caribbean where he is hunted by a Russian Aristocrat the general plot of The Most Dangerous Game
is one that has been adapted many times over the years the story is inspired by big game hunting safaris in Africa and
South America that were particularly fashionable among wealthy Americans in the 1920s the most dangerous game has
been called the most popular short story ever written in English upon its publication it won the O'Henry
award here in the garage we do our best to Advocate and fight for the victims of
True Crime but as embarrassing as it is sometimes the draw are the villains the villain of the most dangerous game
is a big game hunter General Zaroff who's been hunting animals since he was a boy
he has decided that killing big game has become boring so he moves to an island and sets it up to trick ships into
wrecking themselves on the jagged rocks that surround it he takes the survivors captive and hunts
them for sport Zaroff gives them food a knife and a three-hour Head Start and then hunts
them down with a small caliber pistol any captives who elude zoroth his servant and a pack of hunting dogs for
three days will be set free unfortunately for many of the stranded Sailors that find themselves on the
island Zaroff proves to be an incredibly successful Hunter the once Big Game Hunter General Zaroff
turns serial killer as he hunts the most dangerous animal of them all man he kills for sport for the thrill of the
hunt for the pleasure of the kill Zaroff is the hunter the Trap Sailors are the hunted and the island is his
hunting ground and playground many of our listeners will think of the Zodiac Killer when they hear the title
The Most Dangerous Game because of the possible reference in ciphers that the Zodiac Killer sent to
newspapers in the San Francisco Bay Area when decoded by husband and wife Donald
and Betty Hardin we learned that the monster calling himself the Zodiac said quote I like killing people because it
is so much fun and is more fun than killing Wild game in the forest because man is the most dangerous animal of all
to kill something gives me the most thrilling experience and in the 2007 film zodiac the film version of the most
dangerous game is mentioned a number of times in this week's case the story of the hunter killing men on an island
is even more relevant but really anytime we are discussing humans hunting humans
it is relevant especially when discussing organized and methodical serial killers
because that is what they do essentially they hunt the majority of these types are obsessed
with sexual violence legendary FBI profiler Roy Hazelwood called these types the great white
sharks in his book dark dreams he goes through all the theories about what goes into
the creation of a sexual criminal an organized sexual and hate motivated serial killers
in the end he reminds us that the most obvious and the most frightening explanation of all is that some
offenders commit sexual violent crimes simply because they want to they like it and they have no regard for what the
rest of society thinks John Douglas may be the most famous FBI profiler of all wrote in his 1995 book
mine hunter serial killers play a Most Dangerous Game the more we understand the way they play
the more we can stack the odds against them this is true crime garage [Music] no one knows for sure when it all
started it being young women going missing in and around Anchorage Alaska some say it was 1980. others say it was
as early as Christmas of 1971. the only person who knows for sure ain't talking we will start off in the winter of 1981
in Anchorage Alaska Us in the lower 48 when we think of Alaska we think of the cold and the snow
the average temperature in Alaska in December is between 13 and 25 degrees the population of the city of Anchorage
at the end of 1981 would be right around 175 000 people on December 2nd 1981 Andrea Altieri was
reported missing by her girlfriend she told police at the time of filing the report that Andrea worked as an exotic
dancer in Downtown Anchorage and she was last seen going to meet an unknown male
for a photo shoot Andrea never returned home she was last seen taking a checker cab to the
Boniface mall around 11 pm this is in Anchorage Alaska according to our friends over at the Charlie project
Andrea Altieri was also known by her stage name enchantment and by a nickname fish the young woman is described as a
white female adult with a medium complexion 24 years of age she was reported as being five foot five inches
tall and 120 pounds Miss Altieri had medium to long brown hair that she wore straightened and had
brown eyes she was last seen wearing a black leather jacket red sweater blue jeans
brown cowboy boots and may have been carrying a small flowered makeup bag and a black zipper purse
Andrea was also reported to have been wearing some very distinctive items and anytime captain that we're talking about
a missing person we've always said this if you can't find the person you hope to
at least find some of the items that they had on their person when they went missing and it helps to have distinctive
specific items seen that in several cases that we've covered here the distinctive items that
are listed are a gold colored ring with one Pearl a golden colored ring with two
pearls an antique wedding band set with a rose set top and a custom made golden necklace shaped like a salmon with a
diamond set as the eye the rumors I saw say that she was offered three hundred dollars for a photo shoot with this
unknown mail so that's a lot of money that's an attractive offer to someone to go out on this photo shoot be probably
roughly around three thousand dollars in today's money yeah that was nearly 40 years ago so I don't know the the
translation here if you would about the bunny but 300 bucks is is still a lot of
coin today now we have no one that says that they ever saw Andrea again and we have her friends we have her mother and
the Alaska state Troopers who have looked for Andrea for years and of course Foul Play is suspected in
altieri's case due to the circumstances involved now we say we don't know when it really started because it is anyone's
guess it could be when young women started to go missing we have Megan Emerick Mary thill and Roxanne easlin
these women range in age from 17 to 24. all three were reported missing between July 1973 and June of 1980. all were
reported missing under similar circumstances and they had all made some type of arrangement with an unknown mail to meet
for money some were offered money for a photo shoot some for lunch some for sex just like Andrea Altieri they have never
been seen again so all these women go missing in the 70s and 80s and we don't know if it's by the same person we know
all the women were propositioned with an opportunity do we know how these individuals were connecting with these
women because obviously there wasn't the internet back then I my guess would be at their work or however they were
earning their money would be the where this opportunity came from in each of these circumstances I
can't say for certain we're going off of somewhat vague details that are ranging
from 40 to almost 50 years old the other thing here Captain is when we talk about
it when it started it also could be when bodies started to turn up now there was
a girl found on Christmas Day 1971 this was 17 year old Celia vanzanten and then
there was the unidentifiable remains that were located in July of 1980. workmen discovered skeletal remains in a
shallow grave while working on some power lines the body was very decomposed indicating
her death had occurred months earlier authorities hoped that maybe some of the items found with the remains would lead
to an identification of this individual these items were a brown leather hip length jacket a light colored knitted
sleeveless shirt blue jeans and red knee-high high heeled zip up boots a box of Salem matches were found in a
pocket of her jacket indicating this person may have been a smoker the victim was also wearing several pieces
of jewelry a handmade metal bracelet with three turquoise stones a copper necklace containing shell beads and
heart pendant and a Timex wristwatch and gold-plated Twisted Metal hoop earrings
when this person is found these items are listed pictured and sent out to the public asking for the Public's help can
you help us to identify this person that we have found the autopsy report concluded that she was likely killed by
a stab wound to the back and revealed that the victim was petite probably between four foot eleven to five foot
three inches tall and most likely white although she may have had a degree of Native American Heritage her hair color
range from light brown to Strawberry Blonde again these remains are very decomposed they don't know who they're
looking looking at some of the things that they are observing and taking note of they cannot say for certain because
of the decomposition that has taken place right they believe that this individual would have been most likely
between the ages of 16 and 25. now the interesting thing that jumps off the page here to me Captain is she's falling
right in that age range of women that have gone missing right and the body that has already turned up one just like
you were saying because of their ages because of the manner in which they're found or
not found you can't rule out the possibility that they're all connected so this person
whoever she may be to this very day is yet to be properly identified and she is known as eklutna Annie and this is
simply because she was found near aklutna Lake Road in aklutna area of Anchorage Alaska
the same month in that same very area and with this one the authorities will have much more luck
there were additional remains found there were remains found in a gravel pit and they were listed as badly decomposed
as well she was later identified as Joanna Messina two months later 41 year old Lisa
Futrell was reported missing Lisa was reported to last be seen leaving her job for a date Lisa was a dancer at a club
in Anchorage then in November of 1981 23 year old Sherry Morrow also known as Sherry
Graves and known as Georgia at the club where she danced she danced at this busy
show bar on 4th Avenue in Anchorage we have these people going missing and we have some bodies turning up and all of
this with the bodies turning up this takes us right back around full circle to the lady that we first discussed
Andrea Altieri reported missing early December 1981. notice in the missing persons
reports as far as the months go when these young women are going missing they are sort of all over the shop right
they're going missing in all kinds of different months throughout these years but it's no surprise that given the cold
temperatures and the amount of snow in Alaska that we are finding bodies when we are finding bodies it is limited to
the summer months or at least the warmer months well this story will really start to heat up in September of 1982.
remember Sherry Morrow that we just discussed so this is when the body of exotic dancer Sherry Morrow was found
near the Nick River by two off-duty police officers who were out moose hunting I want to read this article
because it really lays everything out nicely especially when it comes to the thoughts of the investigators when
Sherry Morrow's body was found now the headline reads more Graves sought after dancer found and the article reads
Alaska State Troopers are expected to search for more Graves on the willow scrub sand bars of the Nick River where
moose Hunters discovered the body of a missing dancer earlier this month but Troopers and Anchorage police say they
doubt the murder of 24 year old Sherry Morrow is related to The Disappearance of at least three other dancers from
Anchorage since June of 1980. Trooper lieutenant John shover said quote there's nothing now to indicate that the
disappearances are anything other than a coincidence as Anchorage police investigator Maxine
Farrell put it quote we don't believe that we have a mass murderer out here some psycho knocking off girls but we
have to cover every possibility Miss Morrow also known as Sherry Graves worked at a club on anchorage's Fourth
Avenue she vanished November 17 1981 leaving her belongings behind her body was found
September 12th in a shallow grave on a sandbar a mile below the bridge on the Palmer alternate Highway
quote we've got to keep those other girls in the back of our minds said Trooper homicide investigator Lyle
hogsman the Moose Hunter said he was checking the area around his campsite to see if I could stir something up before
dark when he discovered Miss Morrow's body the Hunter and off-duty officer said at first he was unsure what he had
found but was suspicious because he had also found a boot and a jacket nearby two of the other missing dancers have
been identified as Roxanne Eastland last seen leaving for a date on June 28 1980
and Lisa Futrell last seen leaving her job for a date on September 7th 1980. yeah this all seems pretty familiar we
have these women that are either working as sex workers or they're working as strippers getting opportunities by some
guy and not just a decent opportunity these are lucrative opportunities never seen again but Alaska is a big
area so how how much distance are we seeing between where the bodies are discovered I don't have the information
right in front of me here Captain it's probably a good amount of distance the the difference is in a couple of the
cases there's not a lot of distance they're they're found in the same area I'm just wondering how close to like the
Gilgo Beach well in that situation they were they were walking distance apart I mean you walk down the street and you're
finding another another body doesn't seem familiar to like the Long Island serial killer murders well that's just
it with all these serial cases they usually seem very familiar they've there's a lot of similarities that go
into the procuring the victims and the disposal of victims and so forth and so on and
then when you get knee-deep into it then you start to really realize the complexity of each case and that there
are some things that are very unique to each case and that's what we're going to
see here what is not so obvious is that you can't just look at a situation and go okay well we got a bunch of women
that are missing and wait now we got a bunch of bodies that are turning up and the missing are
not the same as the bodies that are turning up because unfortunately the bodies that are
turning up are no longer missing right and you can't just look at that situation and go well we got a Serial
offender here we got one guy that's as the one officer put it in that article so bluntly we don't think that we have
some psycho running around knocking off girls you have three different officers that
were there looking for additional bodies that's what's interesting we found one body Sherry Morrow's body
in this area we're here not only looking for additional evidence in her homicide
they publicly State we're also here looking for other bodies that is of course because we have the missing women
that have still not been found so in this case I think it's weird because you have three officers stating
we don't think we're dealing with anything that's connected here and I think what's going to back up those gut
instincts that they're having when interviewed for this article in September of 1982
is that they don't find any other bodies in that immediate area but what they are going to find is going to
be related to the forensics so in Sherry Morrow's case it took about two weeks to
identify her remains to figure out who are we looking at here now you heard what was said in the
article this victim and the other missing dancers are probably just a coincidence
but it's the forensic work conducted that will tell us otherwise and that is because investigators found
a spent 223 shell casing the casing makes sense okay considering that they were able to determine that
Sherry Morrow was shot in the back right the strange thing with Sherry Morrow's case
she was shot in the back but she didn't have any bullet holes in her clothing that was found on her body meaning she
was shot naked and then her clothes were put back on her yes of course a strong suggestion that she was nude when killed
and then someone took the time to dress her before burying her in a shallow grave
so of course they would hope to find a shell casing and they did they found it near Sherry Morrow's body
but what makes this even more interesting and of course investigators are going to learn this fact after this
article was printed they find out that two years prior to that incident two other women
had been found in similar circumstances the first was that eklutna Annie who's never been identified
the second was a topless dancer named Joanna mosena and the occlutna Annie case evidence showed that the body had
been buried at one time but had been Unearthed by animals so when she was discovered she's above
ground but they have all this evidence that someone took the time to bury this victim Joanna was the one that was found
nearby the glutenant Annie in a gravel pit so they found a 223 shell casing at one
of these sites as well so now things are starting to look a lot different you have two bodies found near
one another one body is out of a dancer and you have a 223 casing from one of the burials
then two years later you find the body of another dancer Sherry Morrow and find a 223k
a 223 casing in the dirt alongside her body so you might have a bunch of missing
young women and bodies popping up but now you have strong reason to believe that these three at least these three
homicides are connected foreign [Music] [Music] welcome back cheers to the people in the
front and in the back and cheers to you colonel the people in the back get some seats up
front they were so down they were sold out all right we talked about now we have
some things showing us that some of these cases are probably connected so let's fast forward about a year okay
this is going to take us to September of 1983. when the body of 17 year old Paula
Golding was found in a shallow grave on the bank of the Nick River she too had been shot in the back but again they
find no bullet holes on her clothing so she too had been shot and then someone dressed her before burying her in a
shallow grave now we know by reviewing the list of the missing and the bodies that have turned up that we likely have
a higher body count than that of what has been recovered but now a fourth victim is recovered and the remains were
left in a very similar manner as remains that were left at a previous body recovery site so
we're seeing a lot of a lot of connection between some of these victims and then you know
you still have several that are out there and that are missing and as you pointed out earlier Captain this is a
big area there's lots of space to hide things should one want to well and the weather doesn't cooperate with the
discovery of the bodies either if a girl is taken and she's murdered and then placed into the woods and then you have
weeks of snow and weeks of winter that really hinders the the investigation well and in some of these cases you feel
like maybe there's a little luck involved for the investigators because the bodies weren't
buried very deep these are extremely shallow graves right and animals are plentiful in this area and have
Unearthed at least one of the victims and you wonder had somebody gone to a a more greater effort than maybe these
bodies may not have been ever recovered right now let's get into some info this is
from another news article this time listen to how the general thoughts and suspicions of the case how they have
changed somewhat dramatically in the last year and some of these officers and detectives that are quoted in this
article are the same that were quoted in the previous one that we reviewed this article is titled two more names may be
added to list of missing bar dancers and it reads homicide investigators are trying to determine whether two more
names should be added to the growing list of bar dancers who have vanished from Anchorage since 1980. frustrated
police fear Six Women on the list may be dead their bodies hidden in the vast Anchorage expanses
they already know that a seventh woman is dead while they say there may be more than
one killer investigators suspect that one man may have murdered them all quote he's still here says Maxine
Farrell she's an Anchorage Police Homicide investigator who's been tracking the missing women for at least
two years she goes on to say the publicity might have pushed him under a little but he's here
they the victims they're going off with somebody they trust she says I believe he's in his late 30s early 40s probably
clean cut and soft-spoken to where the girls feel really safe with him he may be affluent if not he pretends to be
These Girls Aren't stupid he's got to be able to show he can pay I don't think they just ran away these
girls are leaving behind things they would not normally leave so far at least seven women most in
their 20s with light hair most new in town new to Anchorage have disappeared under strikingly similar circumstances
an eighth woman whose body was found near acclutna in 1980 is on the list but little is known of her
the women often are transients and when they turn up missing nobody calls it in this according to miss pharaoh hunters
in 1982 found one of the seven that was the 23 year old Sherry Morrow buried on a sandbar
near the Nick River this is about 25 miles north of Anchorage she was fully clothed and had been shot
by a rifle investigator said her shallow grave was located in an accessible area
a second partially decomposed body has yet to be identified was Unearthed nearby earlier this month she too had
been shot and appeared to have been dressed her grave was in a nearly inaccessible remote area police think
she is one of the missing dancers but are awaiting dental records from Hawaii to be sure miss Farrell says records
checks now indicate two more women may fit a profile compiled by police they are Kathy disher age 23 who disappeared
late last year and delene Frey 20 who was reported missing in September but may have vanished in March
Miss Farrell goes on to say they make me suspicious enough to take a closer look
also missing are six other women the first was reported missing in August of 1980 the most recent in April of 1983.
most are dancers at topless and bottomless clubs and bars police say one worked in a massage parlor at least one
had been arrested for prostitution and others were known to the members of the Anchorage police vice squad
many of them had close contact with their families and friends before they dropped out of sight she says that's
interesting to me Captain because what the officer is telling us there is that these women as transient as they may be
right they are keeping in contact with their loved ones and loved ones have not heard from them so something
dramatically has changed in their lives to put them in a situation where either they're choosing not to contact loved
ones or cannot contact loved ones well I was going to bring up the point because
Alaska is one of the places people go so other people don't know where they're at they
go missing on their own uh but like you said what a great point these people were yes they're in Alaska
and they're working and they could disappear at any point that they want to but the recent passed they were in constant
contact with friends or family members so it wasn't like they just went off and became Alexander Supertramp I want
something on the record right here right now Captain if I go missing or I disappear I want to squash all
suspicions right away I will leave a note I will tell someone all right put that on the record if you don't hear
from me or you don't find a note something happened to the colonel something bad somebody got him now she
goes on to talk about the missing again and she said one told friends that she was going to meet a man at noon
listen to all these similarities again meet a man at noon at a downtown restaurant and then go to a photo
session with this man another said she was meeting a man at noon who offered her three hundred dollars for one hour
of her time police reports indicate a third woman told friends she was meeting a
really neat guy at a restaurant around noon on the day that she went missing neat very neat another was going to a
lunch date by cab and one was meeting a man she said was a doctor the detective goes on to say of the missing women with
one exception they all were in their 20s between five foot four and five foot seven inches tall weighed about 120 to
125 pounds and we're slim usually busty Sergeant Lyle hogsvin and Alaska State Trooper investigator working the cases
says police are trying to assemble a psychological profile to assist the investigation he says one man possibly
from the Anchorage area may be responsible for the killing of two women whose bodies were found on the Nick
River quote the graves were so similar shallow he says no great effort was made to bury them there may not have been
time just to know the area where he took the girls yeah it's a local meaning the
suspect Searchers stocked the rivers sandbars during the past weekend looking for more
bodies but came up empty-handed checks with other states for similar crimes have added nothing meanwhile Troopers
are compiling a list of names to feed into a computer in hopes of finding another thread quote it's extremely
frustrating you think you've got things going but then boom you're back to square one hogsman says
if it is a mass Killer maybe he's on a mission or something maybe he's got a fetish he's got to do but they are
coming more frequently meaning the bodies when he says they at the end of the article now that article is a
little long and I apologize for that but there's a lot of interesting things in there
and to me this is something that I've believed for years and had several discussions with others about
specifically some detectives who hold profilers and FBI agents in very high regard and sometimes higher than they
hold themselves and I've always kind of thought like yeah there are people that go to school
that are educated that are trained in the ways of criminal profiling right but Captain you and I have been looking at
cases that are much older then when profiling really came to be and one thing that I've always seen in this
article fully shows that that really at their core detective's profile a case they
profile the offender the area where a body is found the circumstances under which the person went missing they
profiled the victimology right we see that right here in this article where one of the officers is talking about
what types of girls are going missing and turning up dead where they're working about their ages and really
making a connection between the victims that they're they don't know each other may not know each other but they're
similar people living similar lifestyles in similar areas then the other officer goes on to say
look this might be why one person would be out here killing all these women and I believe he's a local and here's why
and backs it up with some some thoughts and suspicions so in a way they are profilers well at this point in
the case that's all that investigators can do is profile but we get a break in the case because one of the victims gets
away yeah that's what's so interesting in this case because here we have two newspaper articles that are almost
exactly one year apart where the investigators who one were tracking the missing women and two are investigating
the bodies that they they are finding say two completely different things first a year ago we don't think these
are connected there's enough we know enough about the streets we know enough about the victims and the area that
we're working that our gut tells us not connected fast forward one year later completely different song and dance
all of them are saying there's a chance that they're not connected but now we feel based off of what we've learned
about the victims in the last year what we've learned about the forensics and the evidence right that we're finding at
these body recovery sites that they very likely are connected so much so that they're going out of their way to tell
the general public the women that are still missing that we've not even recovered yet we think are probably
connected to what we are finding here so when you think about all that has changed in the case over the course of
that year the evidence has changed and there's more concrete ways to link the victims together
they are from the same area living similar Lifestyles some are missing under similar circumstances bodies are
being found near one another and killed and or left in the same manner all of that is happening but the other thing
that happened in this case is Cindy Paulson Cindy Paulson happened Cindy was only 17
years old and she is scratching by working as a dancer and sex worker and living in Anchorage Alaska
on our timeline technically we are going back about three months Captain so now it's the middle of June 1983. right
Cindy is out working and she gets in this guy's car the guy is fairly average looking a
little on the ugly side he's got pock marks on his face and glasses and wears glasses
he offers Cindy 200 for oral sex now this is quite a bit above the normal street rate and she accepts yeah because
because in Columbus you can go to Main Street and get a [ __ ] for a cheeseburger well the two of them agree
to drive somewhere and at some point this man pulls a gun on her he tells her that he is going to take his time and
they are going to do what he wants and if she cooperates no one will get hurt if she doesn't do as he says or if he's
going to create problems for him he is going to kill her yeah he basically says look you're going to chalk this up to a
bad experience you picked the wrong guy and maybe from now on if you do what I tell you to do I'm going to let you free
you're you're going to be safe and from just now on you're gonna you might want to be more careful on which individuals
you pick up he then put some handcuffs on the young woman and then drove her to what she could only assume was his home
where he sexually assaulted her and tortured her at one point he raped her on a black
bear-skinned rug she was in this guy's basement for a couple of hours he even briefly took a
nap during the ordeal she of course was handcuffed and chained up during that but she could see all
kinds of hunting trophies mounted on the walls of the basement the man first told her his name was Dawn
but then hours later maybe after the nap he's saying his name was Bob but she didn't have any reason to believe either
name would be his real name unless he did absolutely intend to kill her then it wouldn't matter if she knew his
name or not just like the two hundred dollars he had promised her wouldn't matter either
she knew he was going to kill her so after the guy took a short nap he wakes up and he tells her that he likes
her he really likes her he said that he had done this sort of thing before he gets a girl takes her to his house and
then he takes her up to his cabin out in the middle of nowhere the two of them will spend a couple days
there and when he is done he flies the girls back gives them some money and lets them go
but he said he really liked her so he might be spending more time with her than he did with the others
eventually the guy drives the two of them to a local Airfield this is Merrill Field airport where he has a small blue
and white plane waiting the man parked the car and got out and told the still handcuffed Cindy
you're not to move or else because if you start moving and making a bunch of noise well then you are going to get me
very angry and when I get angry I shoot girls so she better not upset him after he left the car to load the plane
Cindy Paulson threw her body into the driver's seat and opened the door she doesn't have any shoes on
her hands are cuffed but she sprinted to the nearest road that she could find the man turned
around and saw her running now keep in mind this is in the middle of the night well early in the morning it's still
very dark out the man goes running after her with his gun she runs out onto Fifth Avenue at
about 5 a.m in the morning she's beat up and handcuffed thank God there was someone out on the road a trucker
driving his big rig and thank God again this guy stopped to help Cindy she jumps
in the truck and the two speed off now the guy chasing after Cindy got so close to the truck close enough that the
Good Samaritan driver could see that she was being chased by a man with a gun right not just a man
this man was armed and looked like he was ready to use it once in the truck they're driving off
Cindy asked the driver to take her to a motel where her boyfriend was staying there's
some arguing back and forth between the trucker and Cindy about where they should be going the trucker really felt
like they should be going to the police station right Cindy wanted nothing to do
with anything and only wanted to get to the motel during the course of that argument it
does of course come up that Cindy had some reservations about going to the police station because of some of her
activities that she was involved in leading up to this horrific event right now let's go back to the Airfield right
the man that took Cindy captive after he sees her jump in this truck and drive off now he's going to make his way
back to his vehicle and he's going to drive off and get out of Dodge as quickly as he can
but a security guard took notice of all of this strange behavior that was going on
and he wrote down the license plate number on this guy's vehicle now back at the motel
Cindy Paulson still hand in handcuffs she got a hold of her boyfriend and someone working the front desk decided
that at that point you know whether she wants to or not I'm calling the police so the front desk worker calls in the
Anchorage Police Department yeah I also heard that the truck driver drove to the
police department as well I think he did after dropping her off at the motel yeah
when police arrived at the motel Cindy provided a highly detailed account of the abduction this included information
about the man's car his home possibly even what street it was on and the small airplane
she described her attacker as a white male medium build five foot six inches tall 170 pounds with short brown hair
with crossed front teeth and acne scars on his face now at this point in the story Captain
Cindy is in a police car they are heading for the hospital as is standard protocol for a victim of a sexual
assault while in route to the hospital they drive past the same Airfield this Cindy said she had run from this is
just an hour or so earlier [Music] she God bless this woman I mean she is amazing to be in such a horrific
situation and be able to remember such good details she was able to remember what the plane
looked like that he was attempting to load her into and where the plane was parked at the
Airfield she walked the police to a little blue and white plain and this was identified as a Super
Cub aircraft tail number n3089z now around this same time the security officer that made note of some strange
Behavior earlier well he is speaking with police this man's name is Brian Demers he told the
police that at 5 14 a.m that morning he observed a white male running to a vehicle the man was wearing a green coat
and hat and ran to a green vehicle Demers was able to provide them with the plate number Alaska plate number
bjz775 yeah so at this point it's kind of like ah got him but is this the guy that is responsible for
multiple women going missing yeah is he responsible for these other disappearances is he responsible for the
bodies that are turning up he's obviously going to look very good for this case and how quickly you have all this
information about this dude because the beautiful thing about things like tail numbers and license plate numbers they
usually lead you directly to somebody right and you're hoping it leads you directly to the somebody that's
responsible for abducting this young woman assaulting her and trying to take her to
God knows where well in law enforcement's not going to hesitate they're going to just go right to his
house yeah because very quickly the police discover that the plane was registered to a Robert C Hansen who
lived it 72-23 old Harbor Road now let's cross reference that with our other tidbit of information here the
vehicle license plate was registered to a Robert C Hansen as well yeah now as far as this investigation is
concerned we're cooking with gas now by this time Captain we have had several years of dancers and others reported to
be missing plus we have about three years of bodies turning up so of course police and detectives are fully aware
that something is going on they believe they have some cases that might be connected maybe they're not
that is in part because when we are investigating the disappearances and the homicides
they took to the streets and to the show Bars into the clubs asking the traditional questions is
there anyone you suspect of harming so and so or were there any Johns that this victim
was afraid of and told you about maybe somebody got rough with her or maybe somebody roughed up this woman
and after doing the leg work police detectives had themselves a list of 15 to 20 suspects depending on which
detective you spoke to this Robert C Hansen whose car was seen at the Airfield where Cindy escaped her Captor
Cindy independently of the security guards account identifies the plane that belongs to Robert C Hansen
the security guard independently of Cindy identifies the vehicle as belonging to Robert C Hansen right so
again things are lining up nicely for police that this abduction and rape case should go
quite smoothly for them but is it connected to any of the other cases that's the big question mark because
Robert C Hansen was not a name that the responding officers and more importantly
detective flothy who would catch the case none of them are familiar with this name and the name Robert Hansen
certainly didn't appear on any current suspect list and on top of that when law enforcement goes to talk to Hanson he
denies knowing Cindy at all [Music] foreign [Music] are you a true crime garage junkie do
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In the famous short story “The Most Dangerous Game” General Zaroff hunted shipwrecked sailors. The Zodiac killer used lover’s lanes in Vallejo, a lakeside park and the streets of San Francisco to shoot young couples. In the 70’s and 80’s someone was hunting the young women of Anchorage, Alaska. This week we explore the story of Alaska’s most cold blooded killer - Robert Hansen the Butcher Baker.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the missing women in Anchorage, focusing on serial killer Robert C. Hansen and the investigation into his crimes.

Key points

The Most Dangerous Game. A chilling tale of a big game hunter who hunts humans for sport.
Missing Women in Anchorage. A series of disappearances of young women in Anchorage raises alarms.
Sherry Morrow's Discovery. The body of exotic dancer Sherry Morrow is found, raising concerns about other missing dancers.
The Discovery of Bodies. Multiple bodies of young women are found, raising concerns about a serial killer.
Investigation Developments. Investigators suspect a single man may be behind the disappearances of several women.
Cindy Paulson's Escape. Cindy Paulson escapes from her captor, providing crucial details to the police.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

The most dangerous animal of them all, man.

Discussion on the theme of hunting humans in 'The Most Dangerous Game'.

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Tension

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