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This is True Crime Garage. And this is the case of Alisa Lamb. Get this. This is newly released video
showing a missing Canadian tourist, a young woman. She seems to be acting in a bizarre way, pushing several buttons on
the elevator. is all going down in a hotel in downtown LA. Her name is Alisa Lamb. She's 21 years old. She
disappeared two weeks ago. NBC4's Gordon Tokamato live downtown right now with some new details in this case. Gordon?
Well, Colleen, we spoke a short time ago with a detective from the LAPD's Elite Robbery Homicide Division. He wants
everyone to see this surveillance video shot here at the Cecil Hotel. It shows Alisa Lamb getting into one of the
hotel's elevators, believed to be the last images of her before she disappeared.
The video captured Alisa Lamb on the morning of February 1st, 8:30 a.m., the day she was supposed to check out of the
Cecil Hotel. The day before, January 31st, was the last time her family in Canada had heard from her.
>> This is again totally out of character for her not to be in daily contact with
her family. >> But then the video takes a strange turn. She punches all of the buttons on the
control panel, then waits. She steps in and out several times. She even appears to be gesturing in the hallway, although
it's not clear if someone is there or not. Do you believe she's interacting with another person? I don't know. I
don't know at this point whether she she is or not. I think it's fair to say that
that her behavior appears to be a little bit abnormal. But could the behavior have something to do with her
disappearance? It's now been 2 weeks since anyone has seen or heard from Alisa Lamb, who's known to suffer from
mild depression and was traveling alone on a trip from her native Canada. LAPD's
elite robbery homicide section is on the case, placing flyers throughout this newly gentrified downtown LA
neighborhood, hoping the video will shed some light. >> It is the last images that we have of
her know of her presence in the hotel. >> 2 and 1/2 minutes into the video, Lamb
steps out of the elevator one last time. 30 seconds later, the door closes and she's never seen again.
January 28th, 2013. 21-year-old Alisa Lamb checks into the Cecil Hotel downtown Los Angeles, California. She is
traveling by herself. She is from British Columbia, Canada. She had been in contact with her family daily during
her West Coast tour. And on January 31st, the communication stopped. The following day, Alisa Lamb was due to
check out of the Cecil Hotel. She does not and she is not heard from again. She is last seen on the hotel surveillance
footage behaving strangely in the elevator. The footage is timestamped 8:31 a.m. February 1st. By now, Captain,
it's been over 4 years since the very strange death of Alisa at the Cecil Hotel.
>> Mhm. >> Yesterday, we viewed the video footage, and I'm sure by now most of the world
has seen the video. Yesterday we gave our thoughts as we watched it here in the garage.
>> If you haven't seen that footage, it's up on our website now at true crimegar.com.
>> And we got a lot to get to today, but I really wanted to start off by going through something very interesting. We
wanted to get to an expert's opinion on this video footage. >> So, this is Dr. Jack Brown. He's an
expert on body language. This is from his website, Body Language Success and Emotional Intelligence. He has studied
Alisa's movements in and around the elevator, and he's going to clue us in on what he believes she is feeling and
what she is doing at the time. >> And this is such a difficult case because there's so much folklore kind of
surrounding this. >> And so, uh, today, let's just try to focus on on the evidence that we know.
>> And we'll start off with this expert opinion with Dr. Jack Brown. So at the start of the video when Alisa initially
enters the elevator he states that she is not in fear in his opinion her wide arm swing and her relaxed and fluid walk
indicate she is relaxed and thus not feeling urgency. After pushing multiple buttons which she performs in two
sessions, Alisa Lamb moves to the back left corner of the elevator. He states her arms at her sides and her feet
positions are neutral, relaxed, and does not indicate fear. Shortly thereafter, she looks quickly out of the elevator.
She then retreats to the left wall of the elevator and then moves to the left front corner. Her hands adopt the fig
leaf configuration and her feet are close together. This is consistent with anxiety or lower confidence. beta
emotional tone. This body language does not by itself indicate fear. >> Can you explain fig leaf configuration?
>> Yes. I wasn't sure what he meant by that either, so I had to dive into his website a bit. But what that basically
means is that you're standing upright with your hands in front of your body, fingers interlocked or at least hands
hands together at your waist. Uh this is a common stance or display of body language. You would see this typically
like somebody standing at a funeral or religious service, maybe a wedding. Uh, it would be best described as relaxed
but attentive. >> Well, I'm picking up what he's putting down so far. >> Next, we see Miss Lamb jump out of the
elevator. Uh, this is the quick two-step maneuver, and he says this has a playful
quality to it. Okay, so now we're at the point where she is still out of the elevator for a second or two and then
Miss Lamb's feet spplay wide while her hands are still in a fig leaf nonverbal or close to it stance. This wide stance
signifies greater confidence and is not consistent with fear. Thus, these two non-verbal signs simultaneously convey a
level of emotional dissonance. >> Yeah. And this next movement, Jack Brown claims that this is the most important
movement of the whole series. >> Yeah. She's still out of the elevator and he says for about 16 seconds, Miss
Lamb displays an elbows out lateral laterally, sorry, with armpit exposed and behind the head hair, which is a
pining display. This was at least for some time performed bilaterally. The movement as she reaches up to begin this
extended pin was fluid, slow and deliberate, which is very important. He says this display cluster context is a
strong and highly reliable indicator of sexual interest. The person of her interest is either present outside of
the elevator or she is actively thinking about this person. >> Wow, that's pretty that's pretty
interesting. Now we can see both hands and arms retracting from her extended pining sexual display as Miss Lamb turns
to go back into the elevator. >> Mhm. >> Miss Lamb steadies herself as she walks
back into the elevator. This coupled with her slow walk suggests either lightaded symptoms, vertigo, or a
relative emotional extreme. This elbow forward bilateral hair adjustment behind the ears is a
nonverbal sign of Miss Lamb dialing up her alpha. This map, map standing for man manipulator, adapter, or pacifier
indicates that she is trying to be more assertive or courageous. >> This is in distinction to the sexual
display previously noted. Her elbows are not pointed out laterally, but held closer to her body. Although the
resolution of the video is low, we can see that Miss Lamb is smiling. Although it may not be a true sincere smile, it
is at least a fair social smile. >> Yeah, I I don't know if I agree with that. I didn't see a smile even if it
was a small social smile. >> Yeah, I I agree with you. I don't recall seeing a smile either. Um, at this
point, her right hand gestures in an illustrator with a fingertip only touching her right chest. This hand
illustrator suggests a lower sincerity and or a higher level of anxiety in this moment. A series of fairly dramatic
non-verbal illustrators and maps takes place later in this video. This may be part of the body language of the
conversation taking place with someone who is out of our view or it may be a sort of rehearsal for an anticipated
upcoming conversation or interaction. >> Right? >> Or as many have speculated is possibly
due to narcotics. Although our view and resolution is limited, this does not have the nonverbal signature of fear.
>> Yeah. And I and again that's something I think it's so quick to say narcotics
when she does have a history of mental illness and I think it's kind of uh not the most intelligent thing to say oh
well possibly narcotics when it's like >> she's possibly having a mental breakdown
and she poss possibly is manic and those would have similar symptoms. So I think
you know going to narcotics is kind of kind of silly. You you could almost include the the manic thing along with
the narcotic statement there. >> Well, well, and I think what he's saying as a doctor, he's saying, well, as some
speculated >> Mhm. >> Well, you're a doctor. Do a little research on the fact that she's bipolar,
and I just think it's kind of insensitive. >> Yeah, I see what you're saying. I think
he he's he's drawing these conclusions and observations just strictly off of what he's seeing on the video. Well, no,
because he just said, as some people speculated, narcotics. >> This movement almost looks as if she's
playing a game of charades. Then we see Miss Lamb's right foot goes up on her toes. She does this several times. This
body language pattern indicates a significant level of excitement and optimism. It is also common with joy.
Mhm. >> At the very end of the video, Alisa's elbow briefly elevates up and out laterally again in a shorter repeat of
the sexual interest pining non-verbal as previously discussed. Dr. Jack Brown's conclusion is as follows. Elisa Lamb is
playing a game of hideand seek or something similar in this video. And although at times she displays some
anxiety, there is no indication of fear. There is definitely an element of play present here. It is of course also
possible that narcotics are influencing her behavior. Of particular importance is she is putting herself on sexual
display. While what is seen here may have no connection with her demise if the events in this video occurred just
before her disappearance. It is it strongly suggests that the person to whom she is attracted may have knowledge
of, contributed to, or be responsible for her death. Okay. A couple things in there, a couple things that uh Dr. Jack
Brown is talking about that I find very interesting. Uh first, he's hinting to the the idea that, you know, she's
trying to be sexual towards somebody or possibly just thinking about somebody sexual. uh if we go with this theory, if
we buy what he's saying, then it's probably more likely that there was somebody there with her.
>> Yeah. He's he's basically saying there's a there's a 50/50 shot that that this
person would either be >> there's always a 50/50 shot. >> Sometimes it's sometimes it's more or
lower than that. But what he's saying is that that she's either interacting with
somebody that she is sexually attracted to >> or she is thinking about that person,
which really doesn't get us anywhere, >> right? And like we said, I mean, the there'd be a lot of uh questions
answered if we had footage of the lobby. >> Mhm. Yeah. If we had more security footage, if we had footage of the
hallway, we'd be in good shape. A lot a lot of the listeners were kind of speculating that look if there if there
was somebody that she was talking to that chances are it would be somebody that would know where the cameras are or
who would know that the cameras which cameras weren't working implying that it was a hotel guest or not not a hotel
guest >> hotel employee >> right and so the couple possibilities here is you know she didn't go to LA with a
boyfriend so it would either Whether it be somebody that she met at the hotel or
met in LA or somebody that worked at the hotel, uh, you know, as they're moving rooms, did she strike up a conversation
and then strike up a relationship with somebody that worked at the hotel? That's a possibility. The other thing
that you kind of read about is that she had this blog and that she actually met somebody through the blog. And so when
she went to her little West Coast tour >> Mhm. she wasn't going to go to LA, but
she actually went to LA to meet somebody that she met through her blog. But from
everything that that we've seen uh prior to her leaving for this trip, it appears
that she was intending to hit three or four different cities in California. There was one city that was of question,
but it was not Los Angeles. That seems to me to to be like a predetermined destination. uh maybe even a big part of
the trip because we know she's been here by at this point for several days, >> right? Which which I get and I I don't
you don't have to buy that the LA was a second thought to believe that she was meeting somebody from the internet
basically, >> right? But her having been there for a few days does lead to the question, did
she meet somebody? Did she buddy up with somebody that worked at the hotel? I mean, there was certainly enough time
for something like that to transpire. So, in regards to Jack Brown, Dr. Jack Brown's assessment, I do I found it very
interesting. I there were some things in there that he pointed towards that I wouldn't have known or picked up on. Um,
the interesting part of course being that if if this video was happening right before she disappeared, then his
thoughts would be maybe somebody that she knew of had something to do with that. The the thing is though, I don't
see I I I just don't see her interacting with anybody. It doesn't really appear to me at any point. I just don't get
that vibe that that she's that she's communicating with somebody in the hallway that we cannot see. I I just
don't get it. How about you? I don't I I don't see it. >> Yeah. I mean, I think initially it
doesn't look like she's with anybody. She doesn't turn around to like check to see if somebody's going to enter the the
elevator with her. Mhm. >> Um there's so much, you know, probably about a minute and a half of motions and
movements where she's clearly by herself, >> right? >> And then there's some weird stuff when
she steps out of the elevator. Is she talking to somebody out there? Possibly. Is she talking to herself out there?
>> Possibly. >> Right. >> You know, I don't think that my my gut feeling is that she is not with
somebody. >> And I'm with you on that. And I tell you why. This is my thought on it. is that
yes, her her movements outside of the elevator are strange and it she does appear to be kind of talking with her
hands at points, but the problem is her movements inside of the elevator when she's not talking to anybody are just as
strange. So that's why I don't really put a whole lot of weight into what she's doing outside of the elevator. I
kind of chalk it up to the same thing. >> The other thing that Jack Brown talks about a little bit is that he thinks
that she's playing some kind of game like hideand seek. >> Yeah. And we kind of talked about that
like maybe playing a game of tag, but you're using the elevator. Uh, a big rumor or a big I guess folklore of this
case or with Lisa's case is the elevator game which >> Yeah. or ritual I think it's been
>> it's like an elevator ritual game or something. >> I will not be acting this out on YouTube
for anybody cuz I don't want to end up in a in another dimension. I have things to do this weekend and basketball.
Basically, this is like creepy pasta type stuff. >> Yeah. >> It started on a Korean website. You get
onto an elevator. There's a sequence that you push. You go to different floors >> and uh
>> and but there's a sequence to it, right? >> And it's not just you push all the
buttons and then you go up every floor. you there's a sequence and every as you're moving through the different
floors then eventually a lady gets on with you and then you're going to go to the fifth floor and that's going to take
you to a different dimension. Now once you go into that different dimension it's just you well you have to start the
game off a ritual off by yourself. That's part of the whole creepy part. And then yeah this woman that you could
bump into along the way if you follow the sequence right, she's not supposed to be human. So you don't talk to her
because she could really mess up your trip. You end up at the final floor. Now you're by yourself and apparently you're
in that different dimension or different world, right? So now you're in this hotel by yourself and if you don't do
the proper steps to basically fall asleep and then wake up back into this world.
>> Mhm. >> Uh bad things could happen. So a lot of people think, oh well, this is what
happens. And it's only because we have surveillance footage of her doing some strange stuff on an elevator. Here's the
problem with all that. She gets in the elevator and at some point pushes everything. She and at no point does she
push like any odd sequence that I that I'm aware of. >> Well, and and and the thing is you said
something about falling asleep and waking back up. I I think there's, you know, many different versions of this
possible ritual. Um, as there is with any of these type of, you know, >> stand in the bathroom, close turn off
all the lights and stay in the mirror and yeah, say Bloody Mary and different things blah blah blah can happen if you
do it this way or that way. Uh, the the way I heard it was that you have to once
you're in this different dimension, you have to try to make your way back to the
same elevator and follow a different sequence to end up back into this world. >> Okay.
>> Okay. So, um, but you're right. You She doesn't go anywhere in the elevator. She
goes into the elevator, pushes all these buttons, does not end up going anywhere.
And even even if one thinks that, you know, uh, if I push, okay, I need to go to, let's say I need to go to 2 4 6 and
8. >> Mhm. >> So, I'll just get in the elevator and push 2 4 6 and 8. Well, the elevator is
going to take you to those in that order. It's not going to go if you need to go 2 6 48, it's not going to take you
in the order that you press them. It's going to take you in the order as it's most convenient. It's like a bus stop.
That's the same way that the elevator works, >> right? Well, I think your analogy is
kind of weird cuz you you went up and the elevator would take you 2, four, six, and then eight. But if it jumps
around like you have to go to the third floor and then you got to go back down to the second floor, you got to hit
three, right up to three and then hit two so you can come back down. >> So that's I think the point you're
trying to make. But if this was what she was trying to play, this is like, >> you know, a very failed attempt. And
this and this is like when your buddy in fifth grade says, you know, hey, it's Bloody Mary time.
>> And so you you both sneak out. So you can you got to go to the bathroom. You got to turn off the lights and to say
Bloody Mary. This is as if she never even turned off the lights. So if she was trying to play
some, you know, elevator ritual game, she >> she messed it up right from the beginning.
>> She wasn't even riding on the elevator. So, I I think that's again just some of
this folklore, which, you know, does make the story more interesting, but I I don't think there's any weight to it.
Well, let's go to February 19th of 2013. So, at approximately 8:30 a.m., this is
after several complaints about water pressure. The water pressure was very low. A lot of people weren't able to
get, you know, proper pressure in their showers. And there was also complaints about the tap water as well. Now, mind
you, some of these complaints were coming in before the morning of February 19th, but anyway, it's around 8:30 or so
that morning that the hotel is going to go and investigate and try to troubleshoot the water problem. Later
that morning, a hotel worker, he's a maintenance man, >> he discovers the body of Alisa Lamb and
quickly calls the fire department. They're called in around 10:00 a.m. that morning. Now, I'm going to describe the
scene and the state of the body when found. >> Okay? >> And soon after that, we will be get
we'll get into the autopsy a bit. So, as the captain often suggests and as I often fail to do, there's that warning
that uh I'm supposed to throw out there. >> If you got your morning coffee with donuts, and if you don't like donuts,
well, then you're a psychopath. Uh but put down your coffee, put down your donuts, and go ahead. We're ready for
you. All right. Okay. So, I'll try to go through this as quickly but succinctly as possible. Um, so the hotel has 600
rooms, right? It has 14 floors. It's listed as 15 stories high. This basically due to the large lobby or
ground level. On top of the building, located near the center of the rooftop, there are four large water supply tanks
that are intended to supply water, feed water to the building. you know, things including showers, drinking water,
basically all of the water supply. So, these are are pretty large tanks. >> Mhm.
>> Each of the tanks at the Cecil Hotel are 1,000galon water tanks. They are all
grouped together on a platform which is about 3 to 3 and 1/2 ft off of the rooftop. Each tank is 8 foot tall,
>> which is pretty tall. >> That's Well, that's top that's to the top of the cylinder. At the top of each,
there is a domed lid or a top with a hatch to access each tank. The tanks are 4 foot wide. The hatch on top of each
tank is a square and it's 16 in wide. 16 in squared. >> All right. So, let me uh pull out this
tape measure. >> You have a You just keep that right next to the computer. >> Well, it is a garage.
>> Oh, yeah. >> So, 16 by 16. It's about the size of a trash can lid. >> Like a fairly large boxed trash can lid.
>> Yeah. And I probably could fit through that. >> Yeah. There's been a lot of speculation
of who or how someone could fit through there. That's >> 16 by 16. >> You and I are both considerably bigger
than Alisa Lamb. >> Yeah. I would just if anybody thinks that that's impossible, I would just
recommend to pull out a tape measure or look at a trash can >> and just ask yourself, could you fit
through that? And I'm a pretty burly guy and I think I could fit through that pretty easily.
>> Now, the maintenance man using a ladder. Now, this ladder is not a fixed to the
tanks. Um, none of the tanks have their own ladder. This is just your pretty standard household ladder. Uh, leaning
up against the tank. He He's going to Well, probably propped up against the tank would be a better description. The
maintenance man found Alisa Lamb's body in the northeasternmost tank, floating face up. At the time of the discovery,
the tank was estimated to be about half to 3/4 full. Authorities worked for about 6 hours to remove the body from
the tank. >> Yeah. And which a lot of the speculation here is that if it took him 6 hours to
remove the body that you know it would take her 6 hours to get in. Not true, right?
>> Because the body is going to swell and I know that's gross. >> Yeah. And it also involves how they
remove the body. So during this time there are several agencies involved. We had the LAPD of course. We had the Los
Angeles Fire Department, the Los Angeles Coroner's Office, as well as an urban search and rescue team. Now, the urban
search and rescue team was brought in for their expertise because they have, you know, we have a body that's probably
a mess by now, and we have to remove it from this large water tank that is hard to access, right?
>> So, the urban search and rescue team helped and assisted the fire department to devise and execute a plan that would
remove the body and preserve the remains and evidence at the same time. A couple
of things regarding the building before we get to the coroner's findings. >> Well, well, let's get right to that
right after this quick beer break. All right. Cheers, mates. I want to go through a couple things regarding the
building before we get to the corner findings. The Cecil Hotel's rooftop is secured, meaning the doors that lead to
the rooftop are equipped with a lock and alarm. The Cecil's standard operating practice is that these doors are to be
locked at all times. Now, that does not mean that they are actually locked at all times, but they are supposed to be.
The hotel rooftop is accessible by using the fire escape. I've looked at several
photos of the rooftop, some taking taken on the day her body was found. In those
pictures, there are clearly at least two fire escape ladders leading to the rooftop.
>> Right. I'm guessing by the layout of the building that at minimum there are three
or more of those ladders with the emphasis on or more. The placement and number of ladders is key when you need
to create a good flow for these for escape procedures. >> Right. So basically what you're saying
is that there she would have access to these there's probably more of these. Oftent times architects will use basic
symmetry for ladder and door placement. Uh this will allow for maximum occupancy
to successfully evacuate the building. U it's a simple way to maintain a good flow of persons fleeing from the
building and to avoid bottlenecking. Uh so I say the number of ladders is more likely more because that many of that
many rooms they got 600 rooms. Three ladders is not a lot. >> It's more likely more.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's more likely higher. Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. So, so anyways, the point is that
there's a bunch of ladders and should have access to it. >> Correct. Now, let's talk about those
hatches on the dome tops of each water tank, >> the 16x6 in hatches, >> because these things have been argued,
debated, and often misreported. The hatches were not locked. I know many people have tried to say that they were
locked, but I can tell you 100% they were not locked. >> And why is that? because they did not
have locks on them. So following the death of their daughter, Alisa's parents sued the Cecil Hotel.
>> In a press relie pertaining to that lawsuit, it is announced that since the death of Alisa Lamb, the hotel has
increased safety precautions by adding locks to all four of the water tank hatches. Again, with this case, there's
so much speculation. There's so much folklore. A lot of people that covered this case early after the initial
events, like a year after the events, you know, this was not common known knowledge, right?
>> So, a lot of stuff that you start looking up if it was 3 or 4 years ago, they're they're going to say, well,
maybe the hatches were locked >> or maybe they weren't, but we know because of this lawsuit that there was
no locks on there. So, all she would have to do is have access to the rooftop, which she did, and through the
fire escapes, and she would have to have access to a ladder, which was probably up there because of maintenance,
>> right? >> And then she would have to be able to fit through a 16in x 16in hole.
>> Yeah. And well, let's touch on that ladder real quick. >> And and well, let's talk touch on this
little flap. There's a little flap. So when people talk about, you know, would she have the ability to push up this
tank >> so she could jump in? >> She doesn't have to push up. >> You mean lift up the hatch that's on top
of the tank? >> The hatch is not heavy. >> No. And it's actually, you know, I've
heard people speculate that it could weigh 30 or 40 lbs. Um, this thing's 16 by 16 and and fairly old. And it's
actually listed in the autopsy report that the hatches would easily open, >> right? But let me give you this little
analogy. If you take a tire, like tire flipping, crossfitters will flip tires. >> You you might have a 450 lb tire and you
might be able to flip that. Can you deadlift 450 lbs? Probably not. But because of the axis, you're able to flip
the tire. So to open up a 30 to 40 lb hatch, it's not you're not just taking 30 or 40 lbs and lifting it off the
ground. You're just flipping it over, >> right? >> So it'd be a lot less weight. And could
she fit through the hatch? Definitely. >> Absolutely. On to the coroner's findings. Very early in the external
examination, it is quickly noted that wrist scars are absent. Um, this of course being a very obvious sign that
one has attempted suicide at some point before they had died. Alisa had none of these scarring. This pointing to the
fact that she had never attempted that form of suicide before and also backing up what the family had reported to
authorities. So I, you know, I imagine this is recorded very early in the external external examination because
the police had seen they had communication with the family early on in her disappearance.
>> Right. >> The police are informed of the following that Alisa was taking four prescription
medications for depression and bipolar disorder. And as far as the family knew, Alisa had no suicidal thoughts or known
attempts. >> Yeah. And I'm just going to bring up her blog cuz her blog gets brought up a lot
and I'm not super familiar with Tumblr, but I actually went to her blog and took
a look around. Uh she posts a lot of, you know, kind of maybe maybe sad quotes, >> but a lot of the stuff that she's
posting I wouldn't consider sad or depressed. Uh, and some of the the funniest stuff that she posts, uh, and
I'm kind of late to the game, is uh, Parks and Wreck, and she has a lot of these little, uh, scenes from Parks and
Wreck that she posts. Um, which kind, you know, it was definitely sad. You know, anytime we're diving into this
case, you start seeing similarities between you and somebody in the case. Uh, and, you know, to know that I mean,
there's a lot of posts about a lot of different things. Um, some people also said that there was posts about her
talking about trying to get off her medication. I I looked around. I could not find those. If I would be interested
to look at those post, I couldn't find those. It was mostly what I found was pictures and quotes and um a lot of
pretty, you know, kind of artistic things, right? But as far as like, you know, going which a lot of the artistic
stuff I connected with. But then those parks and recck stuff, it it made the case even sadder just because, you know,
you have this connection with this person that, oh, this person liked some of the stuff that I did and she was
struggling with some of the the issues that I've dealt with. Uh so you get that connection base. But I I don't you know,
so when they said there's no suicidal attempts that they know of >> that they know of. Yeah. And that
doesn't mean that it couldn't have been a suicide attempt, >> right? You can't watch somebody 24/7,
>> right? >> Um, now the autops the autopsy lists Alisa as weighing 121 lbs and she is 5'6
in tall. Now I I simply mentioned that just so everyone can do a mental comparison taking into account her size
in regards to the size of those tanks and the hatches. >> Right. During the autopsy, fingernail,
hair, and sexual assault evidence kits were collected. >> Here is a summary of the coroner's
findings. Alisa Lamb died as a result of drowning. They saw no sign of trauma. Toxicology studies did not show drug or
alcohol intoxication. checking for her prescribed meds in her system. It basically states that
toxicology studies were performed to check for these but the quantitation in the blood was not performed due to to a
limited limited sample. >> Right? >> So very little blood left in the body. >> Well, and the one of the problems with
this whole examination is going to be that she was submersed in water for weeks.
>> Correct. The police investigation showed no signs of foul play. No one could find
evidence to support intent to harm oneself. Manner of death is considered an accident.
>> All right. So, they consider this an accidental drowning. >> Yeah. Some some here's some more
descriptive things here. The body was in a state of moderate decomposition with greening that was found. This is typical
of seeing what we would see having a body that would sit in water for this length of time. Okay.
>> There is marbling on parts of the legs. The head is bloated with bulging eyes.
Parts of the skin. >> You really should have gave like another warning >> to to >> this is like a long coffee break for
people. >> Yeah, I know you. But I'm just saying you should have you know that's a lot to
take in. parts of the skin exhibit pulling and there there was marked wrinkling of the palms, fingers, soles,
and feet and toes. There have been many reports that portions of the body displayed degloving. This is simply a
false rumor uh and probably to add more gore to the mystery, but it didn't happen.
>> Right. And the coroner also found that the hyoid bone and the linex were both
intact. >> Yes. this pointing towards that she wasn't strangled before being thrown
into the tank. >> It always baffles me cuz people that have this, you know, you you'll hear
somebody talking about this case and they'll start saying, "Well, it was impossible that she would have been able
to get up there. It was 8 ft in the air and then this giant lid that you have to
lift was so heavy it would be impossible." And those same people then also try to make you believe that she
was murdered, >> right? So, it's impossible for this little lady to get up there and get into
these tanks, but it's more likely that a guy would be able to kill her and carry
her up there and then push her in. That that always baffled me why people's head go that way.
>> Here's what I can say, and we'll we'll go through this a little bit later, but
I can honestly say I I could have gotten to that tank if I wanted to. If for some
reason I wanted to get in that tank, I could do it. It would >> prove it. >> Well, but what I can tell you is if I
wanted to carry a person up there and I not even a person of her size, if you took a person half her size, right,
>> would be very difficult for me to do. >> Mhm. Yeah. But I mean, you also you probably should also do some more
push-ups. >> Hey, I do cardio. Hit the gym twice a week. uh in the stomach they found scant
red fluid. Um now portions of tablets or capsules could not be discerned in the stomach. Meaning basically they didn't
find they're looking for evidence of the medication that she was taking at the time. They did not find that in the
stomach. >> Right >> now the body when it was found it was not clothed. Uh that seems to be of no
mystery to people who have really looked into this case. But another item of big
importance in my opinion is Alisa's clothing. So this is another topic that has been debated and disagreed on. They
did find her clothes. They they found them. Absolutely 100%. >> Where did they find these clothes at,
though? >> They found them in the tank with her. So these are the exact same clothes that
she was last seen wearing in the elevator footage. The clothes were found in the tank with her as as well as her
sandals were in there as well. >> Right. They didn't find the clothes on her body,
>> correct? The body was nude. The clothing was in the tank with her, >> which to me, I mean, just initially
hearing that, I go towards foul play. >> Yeah, I mean, I can see that. >> Because if you're going to jump in a
tank for whatever reason, why would you go in with your clothes? Um, >> I mean, I could see jumping into the
tank with your clothes on, but why would you take them off and then also bring them with you?
>> Well, here's my opinion, and this is going to be pretty dark, so I apologize in advance.
>> Another warning. Put put down your damn donut. >> Regardless of how we'll get into how we
think she got into the tank, but regardless of how she got into the tank, my guess is that she was probably
clothed when she went into the tank. My thought is because of the height and the
distance between her height in the the top of this tank, if the tank was more full, then unfortunately
if she was awake and alive when she was thrown in there, she was probably in that tank for a decent amount of time
before she expired, >> right? >> And what you would have to do is tread water and work your way up to the top
where you could breathe air, >> right? Therefore, sping wet clothes are going to weigh her down as she gets
tired inside the tank. So, you would you would want to shed those clothes to try
to maintain your endurance. >> Mhm. That that makes a lot of sense. >> So, inside and this is a little bit of a
mystery here to me, but the other items that they found in the tank were her watch and a hotel key card. It's listed
that these items were found amongst her clothing. So, I'm guessing maybe these items were in the pockets of the
clothing, but I can't absolutely say for certain, >> right? But if you wash your clothes, you
know, then normally in the washer when you're taking the clothes from the washer to the dryer, you'll find, you
know, a lighter or your your your wallet if you left it in your pants pocket. >> Now, in the end, the clothing was kept
by the coroner's office. The watch and the key card were given to the Los Angeles Police Department and they were
given to them the night that she was brought in, the night that she was found, probably so they could go back
there and do some type of investigation. Um, the clothing contained a sandlike particulate.
>> Okay. >> Okay. And now this is where a lot of people point out that this is evidence
that she might have been kept elsewhere before she was placed in the tank. That this is debris that got on her somehow.
and then she was placed in the tank. I'm going to offer my opinion here and I'm going to back it up a little bit. What I
think that those items are, they're basically described as whitish little flexcks of probably like mineral or or
metal. Um, okay. So, I think that those those that debris or the sandlike particullet came
from within the tank that they they collected on the clothing while the clothing was in the tank. And I think
here's my kind of evidence of that. >> Well, I mean it's logical. Yes, there's some logic there.
>> Yes. And these are very old tanks. And one thing that anybody could do at their
house, these tanks basically operate the same way as we have these little water tanks in our homes as well. They're
called toilets. U basically the back of your toilet operates the same way. It brings in fresh water. It stores it for
a period of time, then it supplies it to something else. Right? anybody. If you take the lid off the back of your toilet
and you you stick your hand down in there and you move your hand, you Okay. >> Well, but you will see things that don't
appear to be inside there, but you will see them all of a sudden float in there.
These are just things that over time erode or or create these little flexcks or debris in that inside that water
tank. >> Right. I just I just had this funny image of you playing around in your
toilet. >> Yes. I did that for hours last night to back up that my >> little theory
>> and I and we put it on YouTube. >> No. No. >> Um, so that is the coroner's findings.
All of this pointing toward a an accidental death. They don't believe that she tried to kill herself. They
also don't find any evidence of foul play or anybody else being involved in this accident.
>> Right. And it seems like all the evidence points to their findings that this was an accidental drowning.
>> Yeah. And this was not some kind of suicide or anything like that. And they say accidental uh accidental death with
mental illness. >> Correct. >> You know, which makes some sense cuz there's some history there. Uh but you
were talking earlier and I think I cut you off about the latter. >> Yeah. So, so you know, looking at the
body as far as evidence, it all points towards that accidental death, but then people would argue, well, how did she
get in the tank? >> Right. Because this is eight feet tall. >> Yeah. You know, we've look, it's
definitive in my mind that if I can fit through 16 inch by 16 inch because I measured it out with my t tape measure,
>> then the problem becomes how does this, you know, small individual get 8 ft up
in the air to get to the latch? >> Mhm. Well, I pointed out her height as well as her weight to show and anybody
that's seen pictures of her, she she's a thin, slender person. She appears to be
in good physical health. Um, and I I don't think she would have that hard of a time because the argument is, well,
we've seen pictures of the fire firemen standing around on the rooftop and those
tanks look gigantic compared to them, right? >> Well, we need to keep in mind that keep
keep in mind the layout of that rooftop. So basically these are yes they're 8 foot tall tanks which doesn't seem
gigantic. However, they are on a platform which is about three and a half feet above the top of the rooftop
>> right so you're looking at 11 ft >> and then on top of that that platform they're also standing on blocks which
are probably a foot tall. >> Okay so 12 ft. >> We're now at 12t tall. That's pretty
tall. That's pretty tough. >> You're going to need a ladder. >> The issue here though is that platform
that's 3 and 1/2 ft. Well, there's stairs that go up to that platform. So, now you've you've already conquered that
three and a half feet, >> right? >> So, now you're just dealing with about nine foot or so. Well, we talked about
there being >> Well, you could have stopped me from adding the first time. >> We talked about the the ladder
situation. Now, if you look at pictures from the day that she was found, the ladder that is used by the fire
department >> is not it does not appear to be a fire department issued ladder. This is This
ladder looks very old. It almost looks like a wood ladder. I would argue that the fire department is not using a wood
ladder, especially the Los Angeles Fire Department. >> And this makes some sense because, you
know, and you'd probably know this better than I would, you know, with your background in security administration,
maintenance workers, if they have to access something often, then they will leave a ladder up there.
>> You're exactly right. That's exactly what you would do in any of these building situations because a ladder can
be cumbersome to try to move up and down through an elevator or bring up some stairs, right?
>> And you know, so you have you have ladders that you actually place throughout the building. So you're not
going 10 stories to hunt a ladder. You're just going a story or two because you know you have one every so often,
>> right? And any maintenance that you'd be doing on the rooftop, you'd probably
just leave a ladder on the rooftop. Now, on that rooftop as well, remember we talked about that platform that these
tanks are sitting on? Well, underneath that platform, it's open. So, you could store a ladder right underneath that
platform and keep it there and it not be exposed to the elements, >> right? And then the big question here is
people would say, "Well, if she used a ladder, then they would have noticed the ladder." Well, here's the issue is a
maintenance worker could have noticed the ladder >> Mhm. >> and just moved it. like why is this out
of place >> and thought that another worker left it there, >> right? I'm going what I'm going to do is
put this ladder away because it's out of place and it's not supposed to be here and weeks went by and probably it you
know I I couldn't tell you what I ate last week. >> Okay, >> you know what I mean? So it's like if I
did I move a ladder last week? I don't know. >> Right. The other thing though too is if
the maintenance staff works anything like the the security staff at this hotel, there's a good chance that that
ladder just sat there that that a maintenance person put it up there and never removed it and it was there. She
found it already in place. >> Right. And then the other problem becomes you have a lawsuit against you.
>> Mhm. >> So then how quick is somebody going to come out and say, "No, I actually found
the ladder against the the tank one day and I moved it." >> Yeah. you know that I because because
the latches weren't locked because there was access to the roof >> because there was access to a ladder.
>> We can assume >> then it makes them more liable. >> Yeah. Well, and I'll tell you what,
let's take the ladder out of the situation. Let's say the ladder is not up there for Alisa to find. There's
still another way she could get into those tanks. There is a structure on that rooftop that is right next to the
water tanks. >> Okay. Now, inside this little structure, I'm going to call it a little building.
Um, inside that, that's a typical structure you would see on high-rise buildings. Inside that, you're going to
have workings. There are actually workings that go from those water tanks into that building. That's how close
they are. >> Right >> now, you're also going to have things like pulleys and part of the working
system of the elevators in there as well. >> So, on this little structure, it's actually the rooftop of that is higher
than the water tanks. >> Okay? And there is a ladder that is always there. It's a metal ladder that
is connected to that structure. So at any point someone could climb up there and actually the water tank that she was
found in >> the hatch, the way that the hatch is positioned, it's the closest hatch to
the top of that rooftop. So meaning she could have climbed up there to a ladder that's always there and she could have
jumped down onto the water tank rather than climbing up to the top of the water >> which is which has way more logic to it.
>> Yes. >> You know what I mean? It's like you know >> it would be about a 3 and 1/2 maybe 4ft
drop. >> So we know that she has access to the rooftop, right? Then she's up there.
She's exploring around. Whether or not there's a ladder up there doesn't matter at this point at all because if she
finds this attached ladder, she climbs that, >> goes looking around, for whatever
reason, opens up one of these hatches >> Mhm. >> and maybe falls in >> or maybe goes in there for some purpose.
There's also a chance that a maintenance man left that hatch completely open as well and that she by looking down upon
it in whatever state she was in sees this opening and thinks it's something that it actually is not
>> right >> and decides to enter it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Totally totally possible there I think. And now to play devil's
advocate. Yes. Now somebody But if it's foul play, you have access to the rooftop and now
you have to carry the you still have to carry this individual >> that's 120 lbs, you know, like a
fireman's carry up a ladder >> and then walk her over. >> Um both are likely both are possible. It's
just more likely that, you know, an individual, you know, any almost any capable individual could climb a ladder
and walk over, you know, to these these towers. >> Yeah. But the signs of trauma on her
body, there are none, >> right? >> And all the this ladder, the structure, the water tank, all that stuff would
create obstacles for this person. So, if she's alive and does not want to go where this person's directing her or
forcing her to go, there would be a bunch of signs of trauma on her body along the way. So, what I'm getting at
here, Captain, is that the only way that she went into that tank without her deciding to go in herself, if somebody
placed her in there alive, that means that somehow they coaxed her willingly to join them on top of this water tank
without, you know what I mean? And then to force her into that 16x6 hatch, right? That too would create trauma. You
would see you would see gashes or bangs on the on the arms and probably the legs
as well. >> Yeah. So, I mean, are we ready for final thoughts? >> Yeah, I think I think that we are.
>> You know, ladies first. >> Lisa Turtle goes first. >> Lisa Turtle goes first. So, so in my in
my opinion, um, unfortunately, I think that we have a girl, we have a woman, excuse me, that uh that was a very brave
person. I think she was dealing with a lot of dark issues and that being the the disorder the there were things out
of her control. And I say brave because I think she had a lot of bad days, Captain. And I think for someone to say,
you know what, I'm going to I'm going to be outgoing anyway. I'm gonna go out into society and try to do my thing. I'm
gonna go on this trip because I want to. I'm not gonna let this thing drag me down, right?
>> I'm gonna live my life no matter what. >> And I So I I think we have a very brave
person that unfortunately went to La La Land uh and I mean Los Angeles. >> And she she finds herself in a in a
traumatic episode of this disorder. And she >> a manic state, >> a manic state. and she doesn't really
fully know what's going on and she ends up in the tank on her own. I don't think
this was a suicide. I don't think that there was foul play involved. I think it was exactly the way the investigators
got it. I think it's an accidental death brought on somehow by this disorder. >> Right. And in those findings then it it
you know becomes a it's a mystery. It's a mysterious death but it's technically not true crime then.
>> Right. Well, it it technically not technically not, but any any agency uh that I know of when there is an
accidental death, it's actually investigated as a homicide until they can prove otherwise,
>> right? And you think in this case that they proved otherwise? >> I think they did. Yeah, exactly.
>> All right. So, uh, Zach Moore's time, uh, time out. Remember when he used to do the timeout?
>> I'm waiting for you to pull out the giant cell phone. >> It's It's in my back pocket. Is that a
giant cell phone or you just happy to see me? Um, I think it's the same thing. Uh, we had a listener the other day and
I'm so glad that somebody, it was through Instagram. If you're not following us on Instagram, um, we try to
be pretty active and, uh, I posted something that the show was up. Courtney, I believe her name was.
Courtney, I don't know what her handle is. Maybe that's not respectful to toss out her handle, but anyways, she said,
uh, check out one of my favorite podcasts, one of the shows that got me into podcast, uh, this American Life.
They had an episode called My Damn Mind. >> Yeah. Which was a rerun from about a
year ago, but it was it was their newest episode. And what it was was two stories. I only listened to the first
one, but it was of this guy, this individual that was dealing with bipolar. >> Okay. and uh he was having a manic
episode and he he ends up getting shot by the police and but what he does is he actually remembers the the episode. So
when he comes to and after they figure out what's going on, um >> he kind of walks you through this manic
episode and in his mind he was like going to he had to be like a double or like impersonator for President Obama
and he was on this mission and he ended up like jumping three stories off of his
apartment. >> Wow. Uh and and they proven that he he did this because all his doors were locked and it would
have been impossible. So he did this and then he also wrecked his car and then he
so he did all these crazy things because he thought he was on a mission. >> Right.
>> Right. And he even like I think attacked a police officer. Anyways, it's a fascinating fascinating episode. And if
you're having a hard time g, you know, getting your head around the fact that somebody could be in this altered state
and possibly cause themsself to die, go go listen to this episode. It's very interesting. Like I said, it's this
American life. The episode is my damn mind. Um, it's it was very fascinating and very eye opening and my brain was
kind of going to this conclusion anyways. Like I think they did their due diligence. I think there's a lot of
folklore with this and a lot of speculation with this case. And I think the video is super creepy. And I think
at the end of the day, it's super creepy because this is the last known footage of this beautiful girl's life.
>> And it doesn't make any sense, >> right? And it's a tragedy. That's what it is
>> very much. >> And the thing is is like I said yesterday, this is very important. It's
very important that we start talking about this. Mhm. >> It's very important that we talk about
mental health. It's very important to be open and honest. I mean, to a certain degree, you don't have to give out every
detail. >> Um, but by other people knowing what you're going through and what you're on,
they can help you. Yeah. >> You know, and there's and everybody has these rough days and and everybody
whether you have a mental illness or not, you have these rough days just like we said yesterday. And but it's
important to be more open and honest. So tragedies like this do not happen. And somebody that I feel has a lot, you
know, that had a lot to offer. And look, I mean, social media is, you know, all kind of [ __ ] anyways,
>> but I I love people that use social media in positive ways, post positive things, or use it as an outlet to, you
know, get rid of some of their bad feelings or negative feelings. And like I said, I mean, and it might sound super
lame to some people, but you know, it's like I love Seinfeld. You love Seinfeld.
>> Love it. >> And we connect and we talk a lot about the Seinfeld references. We love Larry
David, right? Uh >> and Parks and Wreck is something I just got into and I'm just finishing the
final, you know, season now. >> Welcome to the party. >> Welcome to the party. Way late. Um, and
you see posts like that and you just can identify with this individual and she was just so young and just starting and
who knows what she would have done, you know, >> and and that's and at the end of the
day, it's very tragic and I think um if we could start wrapping our head around some of these mental health issues, we
can start helping each other live fuller, happier lives. >> You're absolutely right. Unfortunately,
I really think that this whole tragedy would not have happened had she been traveling with somebody else. Now, I
want to be clear here. I'm not faulting her. That's not her fault. She was just doing a vacation like anybody would want
to. I don't fault her parents or family for this either. She's a grown woman. And this is a woman that was trying to
be brave and trying to be outgoing and do her thing. uh where where I do find a little fault and I'm not going to say I
don't wouldn't say legally uh would be with the hotel um and more more so with the employees of this hotel. I think
it's a moral thing that they that they've screwed up here. Uh I find fault with them because they they clearly
these employees clearly have no problem working at a place that does not really care about security. We we see this
terrible security system. I imagine that there's very little checks that are going on at that time and also the
maintenance staff as well. I think that there were things there and I only say this as somebody that's worked in these
downtown buildings for so long is that you I believe you have it's not just a place to show up and collect a paycheck
and they don't pay these people great amounts of money, >> but it's not just a place to show up and
collect your check. >> Well, I mean, let me just >> you have you I think you have a moral
obligation that that accidents like this should not happen. And I I do believe she placed herself there, but I think
that there could have been standard operating procedures that should have been uh should have been executed so
that this type of accident would not have happened because if if we're right the way that this went down, a child
could have done the same thing, >> right? >> You know, and and a child wouldn't have
known any better. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I And I think to go on your rant, it's it but it's about pride,
you know. Uh people wear these goofy red hats and I and I'm not going to get all
political here. Uh because this is not a political show and never will be a political show, period. Um but these
people wear these funny little hats that say make America great again. Everybody
can start doing this >> by one champion uh awarenesses that need to be championed like mental health.
Also, whatever your job is, I don't care if you work at Starbucks, if you're if you work at McDonald's, whether you're a
podcaster, whatever it is you do, >> Mhm. >> take pride and ownership in your work
because that's a reflection of you. And this girl should not have, you know, they did they know that she had this uh
these struggles that she was dealing with? No. >> But she had access to the rooftop. Then
she has had easy access to get on top of these water towers. then she had easy access to get inside the water towers.
And those are all these steps that could have been prevented if people took pride
in their work and took pride in themselves. And I'm sure that there are some individuals at the Hotel Cecil that
did, >> right? >> And and that's the problem when there's 600 rooms. You can't, you know, you and
then even managers, you can't you can't hold yourself completely responsible for
every little thing. But um you know just you know want you want to make the world
a lot better of a place start taking I was going to go into Michael Jackson song right there.
>> Take a look at yourself and make >> Well no but you're saying you can start this by by starting in your own backyard
on your own street at your workplace. And if everybody does this then we're we're golden baby.
>> Yeah. Golden. Hey and you heard it first from Lisa Turtle. No, but our hearts and our thoughts and
prayers go out to her family. They've they've gone through something very tough. We wish this would have never
happened. U should never have happened. Um but it it ultimately is just a tragic
accident at the end of the day. >> Yeah. So, uh rest in peace Alisa Lamb and uh I I will probably go back to her
blog um today and and take a gander again. But uh we got a recommended reading for the week.
>> We do. And because uh this story has ties to the Hotel Cecil, it only seemed fitting to do so. This is a true crime
classic, The Nightstalker by Philip Carlo. Uh decades after Richard Ramirez killed people, 13 people and paralyzed
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I appreciate it. Much love to you. Much love to everybody that's uh sharing on social media the show and telling
friends. And look, I I got a message the other day where this guy said, "I feel a
little silly sending you a message, right? Saying, uh, your show helped me helps me get through my workday." That's
why we're doing it, right? >> That's why we're doing it. That's That's We use podcast to get through our day
and now we're just giving some love back to you and you guys been giving us love,
so we're now giving you more love. This is a love fest. >> It is. And I'm sitting here with Captain
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A young pretty student was found drowned in a water tank on a roof of a hotel. Where not one but two notorious serial killers had conducted their business. Just minutes before her death she had been caught talking to someone or something invisible on a hotel security camera. The internet went wild with cries of demon possession and foul play. Of course this sounds like a horror film so it was only fitting that this occurred in Los Angeles. Tonight we discuss the disappearance and mysterious death of Elisa Lam.

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Brief Summary

The episode examines Alisa Lamb's mysterious disappearance and death at the Cecil Hotel, discussing surveillance footage and expert analysis of her behavior.

Key points

The Case of Alisa Lamb. A young Canadian tourist disappears under mysterious circumstances. Newly released video shows her acting bizarrely in an elevator.
Expert Analysis of Alisa's Behavior. Dr. Jack Brown analyzes Alisa's movements in the elevator, suggesting elements of play and anxiety.
Alisa Lamb's Elevator Footage. Surveillance footage shows Alisa acting strangely in an elevator before her disappearance.
Discovery of Alisa's Body. A maintenance worker discovers Alisa's body in a water tank after complaints of low water pressure.
The Mystery of the Hatches. The hatches on the water tanks were not locked, allowing access to the rooftop.
Coroner's Findings. The coroner concludes that Alisa died from drowning with no signs of foul play.

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Could the behavior have something to do with her disappearance?

Discussion about Alisa's strange behavior in the video.

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