West Memphis 3 /// Off The Record /// Episode #20 | Forensic Files

[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] the whole crowd is cheering cuz the
Browns didn't lose I mean they didn't win but they didn't lose look at all the beautiful people in the crowd that's a
ah big shout out to the people in the back actually half the crowd left because when they got down by two scores
people were like yeah well same old Browns and they took off to their cars I was at a Browns party and you left no
but I would say let's say 20% of the people were like y this game's over and gave it one of those and very angrily
walked out of the place time to go cut the grass so what are we talking about today Capone well well I I mentioned a
while ago that there was a a new theory that one of my buddies was working on as
far as the West Memphis 3 case okay and I've been putting off talking about it for a while
because that said buddy showed me some information I thought it was very fascinating m i mean
it's one thing to have a theory it's another thing when you actually have police reports or interview statements
that back up that Theory and I wanted him to run with this Theory the problem is and I wish I knew how it worked
because West Memphis 3 is a case that is very um it's one of your pet cases one of my pet cases I I want to I wish I
knew how it worked though because you meet all these awesome True Crime people and everybody has their own
cases and and this is not one of his this is one that he's looked into a little bit he's listened to some
podcasts about it watched some documentaries about it but it's not his cup of tea for whatever reason okay so
he didn't really dive into the few of the details that you may have asked him to do so yeah cuz I thought hey he's
going down this Rabbit Hole keep going down the rabbit hole and and get back with me cuz one work covering a new case
every week so it's kind of hard to take a couple days to dive into another case that we've already covered mhm so he
comes to you and says hey this is an idea I have I was kind of looking at the West Memphis 3 case this is an idea I
had I'll tell you how it kind of works for me and I get what you're saying there
because sometimes to do the the research end and to try to chase a lead that maybe you created yourself uh that you
may have stumbled upon yourself it can be it's quite the chore and so if you're not fascinated by the case if you're not
really into it let's say yeah you can easily find yourself where you're like well I'm I'm bored or I'm not finding
anything there's nothing to find here uh you can give up hope and turn the ship around pretty quickly if it's if it's a
case that you're just not into if it's one that you are majorly into is completely the opposite I've seen people
become obsessed you know and there's movies out there and books out there about individuals falling in love with a
case and and they're almost alienated from their families because they alienated them in the process of
becoming so obsessed with with a case and actually we see that in the uh uh Robert Grey Smith is a great example the
guy that wrote the zodiac book right um I mean he almost I don't know if he ended up getting a divorce or if it came
pretty darn close but why did you get a divorce why are we here today the Zodiac
I'm another victim of the zodiac he grey Smith turned into like this almost uh Howard Hughes type that kind of locked
himself in his apartment and he was surrounded by stacks of paper of his own work and research on the Zodiac case I
love Howard Hughes so you have somebody that presented a possible Theory or some
some an outside of the box Theory let's say I don't know much about this but what I do know and what fascinates me
about it is when I look at some of these bigger cases and what I mean by bigger cases is cases that it's easy uh to find
a mountain or let's even say mountains of of information out there you know Jack the Ripper uh West Memphis 3 uh
Jean Benet Ted Bundy Jean banet and so West Memphis 3 there is just a wealth of knowledge and information
read and well the actual records too yeah the Callahan correct was it called um the Callahan website yeah that's the
best way to refer to it um the thing here is though what I love about these big cases I kind of have this this
thought as to suspects and I generalize them into three different categories one
we have known suspects and what I mean by known suspects are people that are are regularly known to the case so in
the west Memphis 3 case we would have obviously the three teenagers that were convicted and then later released as
well as their parents and people close to the three victims okay yeah and then we also have the unknown victims okay
I'm sorry the unknown suspects right so that would be persons that are say you're you're going down a crazy Rabbit
Hole there's unknown victims oh um this would also be people that are just not known at all okay and whether that be by
name or or likeness or anything like that they're just not known to us the people that follow the case the people
that have looked into it the armchair detectives this would be the unknown suspect and then you have a group that
falls right in the middle between the two you have people that are known to the case but not generally known not to
the general public not to everybody only to people that really Dove deep into the
case but their likeness or names are known to people that have spent the time to follow through in this the thing that
I like about what little I've heard about this theory that I find fascinating is it kind of It kind of
pulls a person from each one of those categories to kind of tell this story of the theory that you're about to tell us
right so I don't know what the best way to break this down is because I haven't really thought about it too much but I
always thought that there was one person in this case that didn't make any sense
um a lot of times when you hear there there's certain things that uh you know maybe Daman would say or or
Jason Baldwin would say definitely things that Jess Jesse mkelly said that you just thought
what the hell is that all about and then a lot of weird stuff with the detectives and then we've had this we
went from these three boys are guilty the West Memphis 3 being guilty to their innocent to maybe this step stepfather
was the murderer maybe this other stepfather was the murderer a bunch of different theories
um I think there's probably something in the middle but there was one character to me and the story that never made any
sense to me uh and that's Vicky Hutchinson mhm now a lot of people will and I think when I first brought up this
Theory to you off off the Record mhm you said well yeah she's in the police department and she has these charges so
Vick Vicky Hutchinson was I can't remember exactly what the charges were but she had like some bounc
checks or something so she I actually think that she had bounced some checks before this charge but what she was
facing on this occasion was she worked at a gas station in the west Memphis Area okay I believe it was West Memphis
that's not important she worked at a gas station and what they found was several
of the customers were calling the gas station and saying hey look I'm getting charges to my credit card for things I
didn't purchase for for you know Services I didn't use and it's getting charged to me from your gas station well
she was like a cashier sales clerk whatever you want to call them uh she worked there she would get this
information and then she was ultimately taking people's credit card information and running it probably to buy things
for herself right now these would be small items because it' just be a convenience store so we're not talking
about a lot of money no we're not talking about a lot of money but we may be talking about a lot of transactions
that could add up to a lot of money in the long run uh the thing here is the way that this works is the owners of the
gas station they were able to say hey when Vicky Hutchinson's working that's when these transactions are taking place
so therefore she must be the one that is illegally running these credit cards and
so they had her charged with such and on the day of the discovery of the bodies of the three 8-year-old victim in West
Memphis mhm she's sitting in a police officer's I believe it was a detective she's sitting in his office and they're
talking about these credit card charges yeah so she was she was charged with these and then she started talking the
day that the boys are found and that's kind of where the story you know kind of stops there well it doesn't stop there
but it's like well then VI Vicky hudgin and started talking to the cops and then
she started giving them information and then she said hey I I know Jesse Miss Kelly so maybe I could get in good with
Damian again this is the day that they're found right the day that they're found somebody is bringing up Damen
eckl's name so again you can sit there and say he said some goofy you know Damen eeko said some goofy [ __ ] out a
baseball game or softball game or whatever the day that the boys were found they went missing one day they're
found the next day mhm so she's bringing up all this stuff and and then she kind of she has
some statements but she never makes it to trial I don't think she ever becomes an eyewitness in the actual trial but
what I was watching the other day and I've watched it several times in the last few months but it's her son and
it's his uh confession tapes basically right now he claims to this day that he doesn't remember for
anything and basically everything that he was telling the cops back then was a lie that's roughly his statement right
now these are very detailed accounts but also the cops are leading him constantly but he definitely knows some
stuff so here's where it starts out Vicky Hutchinson seized all the boys after school so she's a eyewitness of
seeing all four of the boys right I'm going to say four because her son was there okay and the whole thing was that
they wanted for her son to go to to hang out with them because of a Boy Scout um meeting that day okay now Boy
Scout meetings normally happen on a Wednesday it was not a Wednesday so therefore she's like no there's no Boy
Scout thing mhm and I believe Michael Moore's father was the uh the the leader the den leader or whatever they call it
he was involved in some form I don't I don't know if he was in fact the leader but right so what we but what we do know
is he is he's absent on this day he's gone he's off driving he drove a Long Haul truck and he was out of town
working on that day so there there is some reason now it could just be to play or whatever doesn't have to be Sinister
but what I'm saying is there's some reason that these eighty year eight-year-old boys are trying to get
their friend to come play with them and when that's not working right mhm they then say can he
come play for the next couple hours and and she says I mean that she says so in this statement so let me try
to find the statement so um so where in the course of that night or that afternoon are we talking about
this is right after school so Vicki says in her statement I was waiting where the
teachers park on the side of Weaver Elementary and watching for Aaron it was approximately 15 after 3 and Michael
Moore came up to one side of my truck and Christopher buyers to the other and Aaron um you know um close to them and
they had uh they were were telling me um Miss Vicki there's a Cub Scout thing tonight and Aaron needs to go to
Michael's father's um their troop leader and um you know um Michael was really um insistent on Aaron G and they
kept saying that there was a Cub Scout thing right and then she says [Music] um and so she said no this is um she
said no this is Wednesday night Cub Scouts are tomorrow okay so Cub Scouts were Thursday it's Wednesday night and
they kept going on finally you know they got it through um they figured out that
he wasn't going to be able to go so then they wanted him to go play and he said well then can Aaron come to my house and
you can pick him up in 2 hours which she had done frequently so she thinks that he assumed assum that by changing the
story that would get her to say yes okay so I think one of the things that people
are missing when they're researching this Cas is there was obviously something going on now what that is I'm
not for sure of and I don't think any of us know what it was is it possible that
these boys were supposed to meet somebody in Robin Hood Hills yes 100% possible so
what's interesting to me is she tells Aaron you're not going and she tells the cops I took Aaron back to her house and
then Aaron tells her I'm going to run over to my grandpa's house or Uncle's house or whoever's house mhm he doesn't
he goes over and hangs out with Mike uh Michael Moore Christopher buers right now there's multiple eyewitnesses if you
look through the reports there's multiple eyewitnesses that see one boy on a bike see two boys on a bike see
three boys on a bike and there's multiple eyewitnesses that see four boys on the bike mhm now where would that
fourth boy be that would be Aaron her son right mhm so and and based off of her reports guess where her son was over
hanging out with Mike Michael Moore Christopher buers so this becomes to me something
more that we have to look at when did he leave when did he get picked up now we have a police report that
states now let me pull this up again sorry but we have a police report that states at
6:33 I believe this is when the call is received that on North 14th there's a blue Toyota with no license plate
and I cannot read what it says it looks like a lbl LM and I don't know what that stands for
mhm so roughly about 6:30 and if anybody knows anything about this timeline this is roughly around the
times that possibly the boys are murdered roughly around that time right could be yes so we have this blue Toyota
and and talking with my buddy this blue Toyota was seen now that's North 14th Street this is in the
neighborhood of Michael Moore Christopher buers mhm and it's driving erratically and now what's becomes
interesting now it doesn't State what it is other than it's a blue Toyota so later on if you go through Vicky
Hutchinson's interview it says Ridge ask her do you have a vehicle um do you have
a vehicle of your own Vicki says yes I do Ridge says what kind she says a 77 Toyota pickup
blue so I don't know if it's her driving around what I heard from my buddy that was diving into it this police reporter
this call log about the blue Toyota in the neighborhood they claim it was driven by a black man okay now there's
conflicting stories that at the time of the murders Vicky did not have a boyfriend then there's other stories
that state that she did and I've been trying to find that again with minimal time and minimal effort to look into
this idea is it possible that she was dating a man that was sent to pick up her son and did something go down and was he
involved in in some way or who's this guy in this blue pickup anyways driving a radically
through the neighborhood right you know if you're driving away from a scene and you're maybe covered in blood
are you driving are you driving away erratically and then do you end up at the you know Mr Bojangle
and uh covered in blood in the female's bathroom so that's kind of the idea but where it gets more interesting
is if you listen to the interviews with her son Aaron in the police station and there again there's some
conflicting reports here but she goes in to talk about some checks or some sorry
not checks she goes in to talk about some credit card charges and I can't confirm this yet but
I believe that Aaron Hutchinson is the one that led the you because the boys weren't found till after this
meeting and I believe that Aaron LED them to because Aaron was with her the day mhm you know so uh again I believe this
would have been he would have not been in school based off the time of the meeting with
the police officer right so he's so for whatever reason his three buddies two of his best
friends go missing the next day he's not in school the next day he's in the police station the next day his mom is
talking about these credit card charges the next day he is leading the authorities to the area maybe not to the
exact spot because we know how that worked what we do know is that they were searching a lot in front of the what is
that called um there's like a tunnel or a tube or there's a someip there's a pipe that goes over the water and they
and they weren't really searching past the pipe and from these reports it makes it seem that Aaron Hutchinson is the one
that told law enforcement you need to search past the pipes because that's where we'd hang out that's where our
clubhouse was that's uh where we'd be hanging out all the time and then they go back there and then they see the Shi
floating and that's how they find the boys and then if you listen to his his statements again these are doctor these
are this is the law enforcement leading this 8-year-old uh to try to get details on
these three murders of these three boys again I'd argue with anybody that says that these three boys are
guilty Damen Eckles Jason um Jesse Miss Kelly uh Jason Baldwin if those three boys are guilty then we'd have some
eyewitnesses that saw all three of them together at some point mhm and there is none that I can find that state that
these three boys were even together now the ones that think they're guilty don't get your panties in a bunch cuz
that doesn't mean that all three of them did it if that makes any sense but we have no eyewitness that saw all three of
those boys together so that's kind of the rabbit hole and I'm kind of putting it out there for anybody that's
interested in this case to start possibly going down this Rabbit Hole mhm because what the the questions I have
and what I had for my buddy was is there a statement we have a lot of police reports and a lot of
interviews and a lot of pages of Vicky Hutchinson's interviews does it State anywhere who she was was dating mhm and
and was that man a white man or was that a black man and then this report about the uh the blue Toyota in the
neighborhood was it a pickup truck was it a car was it who was driving it right because that's that's another thing that
I'm very unclear on so that that's where I'm kind of at with it but I kind of wanted to just toss it out to the
universe and and there's a lot there's a lot smarter people that could dive into
this and and get answers well I I like this for several reasons and just so we're clear you're not saying hey this
is this is my theory this is a hard and fast Theory I'm I'm sticking to it this is a hey this is what's been presented
to me yes it's a bit flimsy are there some holes of course can anybody provide information that helps this Theory along
or that shoots it down yeah and what I am claiming is I mean oh when did when did Paradise loss come
out um I don't know off hand okay but 94 I think okay but after the after a couple
of the documentaries and a couple times of looking into this case I'm telling you from the beginning there was
something in my body that just told me Vicky Hutchinson not saying she's a murderer what I'm saying is there's
something definitely not right here okay and and we know we know that the police okay look the police interviewed
her interviewed her son and they used none of this during the trial right none of it and when you
listen to her boy talk it's like to me that oh well you know that's your Smoking Gun if you're the you if you
have Jesse Miss Kelly confessing and that's what you're going to use against Jason and
Daman then this is this is your backup MH and the cops knew there was something not right about this either they knew
that they were writing the story and they didn't want to try to get busted like oh man this we want to see how good
this kid is under pressure ah he's not so good so we can't have him lie for us M and man there's a bunch of holes in
this Vicky Hutchinson right because well she did this thing with the checks and then she
did this thing with the credit cards and so she's a thief and now we caught her in some more lies and
we can't put her on the stand either you know and then she comes out later saying that everything she said
was a lie right why are you lying why are you getting involved anyways mhm and again I've always dismissed it because
every time I bring her up I get the same story while she was there on credit card
charges and so the reason you know that's why she got involved because if she told the cops anything then maybe
she get out of these charges one I don't think the charges would be much that's another thing was she ever charged with
the credit card charges because they didn't use her testimony they didn't use any of her information in the trial so
did she get not charged with those credit card fraud charges so okay so here's some
information going off of memory here um regarding Vicki and the charges the credit card charges it's my
understanding that she was there to discuss making the charges go away and the reason being was I think we have a
situation where the people she worked for at the gas station while they didn't trust her to work there any longer and
they wanted her fired you know they fired her from there and they threatened her with
charges I think they were in because they were the ones that brought the charges against her I think they were
solely in charge of if these charges get brought to trial and I think what went down is is they told the police hey if
we could get her to apologize to our customers and repay all the money that she stole from them we won't maybe we
shouldn't we shouldn't uh pursue these charges uh law enforcement because she's a young single mother and we feel bad
for her on some level and keep in mind this is 1993 things did work that way back then uh especially in small smaller
communities yeah things still work that way right so so my understanding is she's there already with the idea that
there's a possibility that she can make these charges go away if she's cooperative and and works with the
police right which makes it even weirder that she's involved in this case well I
the the thing here is I wonder if it there was a bit of a Snowball Effect and I wonder that Vicki's just not a very
trustworthy person and I think that we may have had something that started off as a small tiny little seed it gets
planted and then it grew into a huge abnorm enormous ugly tree is what it turned into because for whatever reason
her son is there with her during the course of this meeting I don't know the I don't know offhand the exact time of
the meeting but it was the day that the kids were the victims were discovered MH
and she provides information and it's very short little information to the detectives that she's speaking with and
she says look my boy knew those boys maybe he could help you and the way that this conversation starts off is well
okay he's the same age he goes to school with some of them okay let's talk to him
right but right again though again the way it's presented is just like you said he's the same age he goes to school with
him like she's crazy for one because the conversation should have been yeah they
went missing after school they at what point are there are are people all out and about searching for them we're only
talking about a few hours the boys that went missing were basically begging her or coming up with a Lie About a Boy
Scout meeting so their son you know her son could come over mhm now maybe that's
[ __ ] who knows but but I I don't think it's [ __ ] and so when they're talking to again
that that's the that's what you should be saying my my son is best friends with these boys right maybe he can help you
he used to go play with them mhm but when the boy then says oh no no you got to go back here and look for
him and he States more things and and I need to find that report again so I could bring up what he said
but like I said it it basically points to the idea that he that Aaron Hutchinson LED law enforcement to the
area that the boys would be found well well possibly I think we're I think you and I are remembering this differently
because the way I remember it is that they have this sitdown meeting um Aaron and uh her mother mother I'm sorry Vicky
to discuss these charges and at some point during the course of this meeting it's brought up that Aaron is good
friends with some of the missing kids right and they talk and they talk kind of at length this is not a short meeting
but it's my understanding that by the end of the meeting now maybe we're missing a lot of things maybe that we're
not told a lot of things for good reason but it's my understanding that the detective interviewing Vicki did not
real because he was in a closed door meeting did not realize that during the course of that meeting the boys had been
found he's notified at the end of this meeting that said hey we found those three boys they're dead in Robin Hood
Hills MH and that's the way I remember it so if it if it did go down that way and if we do know everything about that
meeting then Aaron didn't lead the police to the bodies and if he did tell them anything that might provide them
information to find the victims it didn't come out until after the victims were found that this detective didn't
relay this information to anybody until after he was aware that they were found right if that's how it went down correct
but I mean and that's kind of what has been told and that's kind of what we're led to believe for so long and like I
said the the the things that I was reading again could be wrong but it leads me to believe that that
Aaron is the is the reason why they they search further back again why is he out
of school yeah that's that's weird I didn't think about that till you said that today if if the meeting took place when
when I think that it did he would have been out of school that day and I don't know I don't know why that would have
been well it's cuz he was with them that that's why and then the other thing that
I can't wrap my head around is she I don't I can't remember off the top of my head if Aaron her son was supposed to be
at her grandpa's or if he was going to go to his uncles or something right it was a place that he'd go to a lot but
for whatever reason you wouldn't let him go play with his friends but you're going to let him go to his grandpa's or
whatever mhm and when she claims at some point she starts looking for him right can't find my son and then I
start calling or maybe he left and didn't tell anybody and and when he came back or
whatever he says I was at myle un Les or Grandpa's but when she calls this person that he was he's not there mhm
again so was that your car that went looking for your son cuz you couldn't find your son for a couple hours
mhm you know and if you can't find your son for a couple hours and you're driving around in that neighborhood
where's your Alibi and and if you have an alibi is it a false Alibi you know I I think this angle
needs to be looked at more I mean I like I said I wish I had the time you know to
dive into it more but I I just always thought and I I don't want to I don't want to like throw too much shade on her
but no I think you can water deaths are are more female driven than than male so I'm just saying who's in that
car that they see driving erratically and is it a pickup truck or is it a sedan is it her car or is it not her car
is it her and her boyfriend is it her and somebody else looking for her boys and if her son was there when they were
killed and any of his story is correct I mean it just seems like a lot of details
for the kid to make up completely or a lot of details that the cops made up and told him to
say right it just seems like a lot for an 8-year so it's like some of what he's saying I
think is true and the rest I think they're leading was he there and then if he was there then why didn't they kill
him well and I think I think the weird thing here and this is why you have to throw a theory out there um a theory
like this out there for for people to take a look at to examine see if they can find anything and add weight to it
for several reasons first of all we know what are the facts that we do know Vicky
Hutchinson is a liar 100% there's no way to get around that she has said on record she lied about the things she
told the police back then uh as far as her testifying I do know that she testified in some form of court I don't
think it was actually at either of the famous trials that being of Jesse Miskelly or when Damien and Jason were
tried together she didn't testify in those but it's my understanding that at later at the um the hearings to try to
they're basically appeals right so at the appeal hearings she did testify at some of those her story changes all the
time and then later she says I lied back then so we know she's a liar first of all right right the other known fact is
this um it's what information is out there says that Aaron Hutchinson did not give
detailed information about the murders or who he had expected or susp suspected of murdering the two the three kids that
he was friends with on the initial time of talking with law enfor the initial interview and the the way that this went
down from my general understanding of it is he gave some very vague statement to
the police that said something to the the effect of he was hanging out with some of the kids um that he had saw
maybe they go into Robin Hood Hills or at least one or two of them went into Robin Hood Hills and at some point he
says something to the effect of nobody knows what happened to them but me and later the police recorded this and later
they used this when they were interrogating Jesse Miss Kelly and they played that short little sentence of of
a little boy's voice saying nobody knows what happened to them but me MH and that
was kind of a ghostly haunting statement a ghostly haunting thing for somebody like Jesse misskelly to hear being
played over it's a crazy thing for eight-year-old to say saying over and over again and then my understanding is
that once Jesse Miss Kelly MH once they are able to spin and roll and and and help paint the canvas of what ends up
being his confession to the police that then the police took the confession right and they used pieces of it to try
to get Aaron Hutchinson to say similar things or the same thing right but what what is weird is in Aaron Hutchinson's
story he's there and Jesse M Kelly's story Aaron Hutchinson's not there right and that's a big problem for law
enforcement and for the prosecutors and then second of all so they never could get Jesse mkelly to say that Aaron
Hutchinson was there they never could do that they couldn't get Aaron Hutchinson
to say hey would have anybody have known that you were there and and he he does say something to the effect of uh I was
going to be killed or they saw me and I was going to be killed and I ran away the problem with Aaron Hutchinson story
is multiple things one he's eight years old and easily easily just as easily as Jesse Melly was manipulated by law
enforcement he too would be easily manipulated by people authoritative figures right and one of
his stories though is that there's more than three people back there at one point of the interview it's there's more
than three people back there and at one point when they're talking about Damian he's like yeah Daman wasn't there right
and then you go wait what no and the things he was saying that he witnessed did not happen right but this is the
[ __ ] about this whole goddamn case though is first of all if you don't have these shitty ass M investigators trying
to lead everybody to the answers they think that is the truth right mhm it's like who knows what Aaron would have
said if they just said we want you to tell us what you can remember that's it mhm if they came and they said right to
my face we didn't alter his story at all we don't we didn't lead him at all [ __ ] you piece of [ __ ] you did and
he did but they did the same thing with Jesse mkelly and then they did the same thing with also Vicky Hutchinson so now
we know Vicky Hutchinson's a liar we also know but there's so many people in this case that are just lying their
freaking heads off and then on top of that the three guys that get out the three guys that make Alfred pleads that
you know they're guilt I'm guilty but I get a claim my innocence and I get out of prison and all three of those
[ __ ] said that they're going to work hard and they're going to have Justice for the three victims and justice for
the family and they're going to work hard to solve this case and what what have they done you know I think there's
only been one of the three that's actually done an interview that would provide any information and and one
won't even leave west of Memphis and the other one you know walks around and and
interviews with sunglasses like he's some [ __ ] celebrity and he won't answer any questions he'll write a bunch
of books about [ __ ] moonwater but he won't do any interview to get any information about that town what was
happening did he know something did he hear something I think they're just holding back a lot of information you
know and then they point the finger at one stepf father then the next step father but then once they get out
they're free and they don't do [ __ ] and you still got three boys dead and nobody
doing anything about it well we also have some things to consider um these individuals the the three that have been
released are from my understanding still under probation they're still having to live their lives under the
rules of probation that set up for them okay so is there a rule under probation that you're not allowed to talk about
your case uh you might not be able to interfere you might not be able to do anything that might be considered
interference yeah but what about all the money that you raised and all these private investigators are you not
allowed to be are these private investigators do they have to stop because now you're on probation and how
long are they on probation for um I been out since what uh 2012 they maybe they're off probation
now I thought they all received 10 years probation okay so they wouldn't be off yet right I I thought they all received
10 years probation so there's a few there's a few issues with and and actually I'm going to take the opposite
stance here I actually see and understand why they might not be actively participating in the
investigation one there is no no legit investigation as far as the state of Arkansas is concerned it's a solved and
closed case right so there's one issue then two let's look at them individually so it's my understanding that of the
three most likely Jason Baldwin has been somewhat active in this case right uh Jesse M Kelly won't even do an interview
and I actually think that there's very good reason why he doesn't and actually why I would suggest to him if he's
listening not to do an interview he's been same same thing to I'd suggest the same thing to he he's been tricked
already multiple times and I think that out of just playing it safe he's going to go I think that here's the vibe I get
from that dude and mind you never spoken to him never will uh because he doesn't
talk to people but uh I actually think he doesn't even have a phone or a cell phone um the vibe I get from this dude
is he's a pretty regular nice dude and I think he wants to talk to people I think
he wants to share uh his experience I think he's frightened I think he's been I think he's been beaten into submission
uh mentally and emotionally regarding this and I think he's frightened and feels hey no matter who I talk to
they're going to try to trick me you know we we already know that he couldn't discern he couldn't he couldn't tell the
difference between his defense attorney and the police and the DET right right again and again that look there's
there's three guys that were put away for this I and they were put away because one of them it just has a very
low IQ and it is very low functioning so you know yes but the other two again maybe Jason has been involved somewhat
and I know he's done a couple interviews but it's it's not enough enough I mean if you know Jason that
what they claim in their documentary what they claimed was that Jason didn't want to do the plead he didn't want to
do any plead deal right okay but then they but then they all said but what we realized well and they had all this
[ __ ] too you know oh Damian's just he's suffering on on uh death row he's you know he's not going to live to see
see this go to trial which was a bunch of [ __ ] and a bunch of Lies well maybe um there okay so there's
several problems with that too they one if they would have faced a new trial which that's what they were pushing for
it could have been a year and a half two years three years before that new trial
would have came about no no and then then I heard some arguments that if they really wanted to play the system they
were not going going to see a trial for 6 years right and then on top of that let's say you know my estimates of year
and a half to 3 years your estimate of 6 years I've I've heard that too five six
years so anywhere at the minimum what I've heard is one and a half years at the maximum maybe six years then on top
of that I have read cases where individuals have been later cleared by DNA evidence to release them from prison
for a murder that they supposedly you know were accused of committing years ago go mhm and these individuals then
they depending on what state you're in even if you're clear that doesn't mean they're like all right well uh give him
back his belongings and send him home in 15 minutes in some states you still sit
in prison for another 9 10 months afterwards before they release you so well no and again if if if it was stated
in their documentary if it was stated to me that hey we're just we didn't do this
and we want out of jail right mhm or out of prison they got out you're out of jail
you're out of prison you're off a death row you get a Le you're going to have a free you're a free man right M and yeah
you took an Alfred plea get it there's a lot of good people that would take that
plea deal one it works out for the state cuz you can't sue them so they don't have to pay you millions and millions of
dollars for being in jail if that's all they stated in their documentary fine go about your life mhm write your
shitty books right I can't say they're shitty they're actually no the the daman's a great writer I'm just really
pissed off is what what it comes out to and dark spell is a very good book not written by Jason Baldwin but he assisted
yeah in the writing no but I met with Damian and and but I just I don't feel like I feel
like in their documentary that they stated that if they get out they can do more damage on the case they could find
more information they could solve this if there were but it's going to be easier to do if they're out jail right
right right right the now it's six years later and it's like no but but that's the problem we have with media is that
and and actually I shouldn't say media cuz they're just doing their jobs to to record and report on what's going on and
that was big news so they need to be there reporting but the problem is I guess public perception and we have to
keep in mind and I had to I had to retool myself on this one too uh in this specific instance where we have these
guys that are sitting there before they're released or just after being released saying look we're going to
we're going to write this ship we were wrong fully convicted and we believe we have some evidence that might provide a
lead to who actually did this or the persons that actually did this and again yeah we can work this better on the
outside and maybe they're working on something what I have to remind myself though is what information did they know
at that time when making that statement you know what I mean did they know they were going to be on probation for 10
years did they know that they would have to ask permission to leave the state of
Arkansas did they know that if they did any if they so much as get arrested for I mean if they have certain uh
violations they could find themselves back in prison for life sentences MH and according to you know the probation so
what I'm getting at is yeah but it's also easy thing to stand behind and I don't know what their their rules and
regulations of probation but I know that Jason Baldwin talked about the case mhm
so you know we can't hide behind this you know I wanted to hear uh you know Bob Ruff interview Damen Eckles and it
was just a load of [ __ ] is what it was it was just a waste of goddamn time but
it goes to Damien's statement of of his knowledge of the case his statement is always been I don't know anything about
the case I don't have any suspects I don't know of any suspects um I don't know how much I can talk about the case
because I I just I didn't do it and I don't I didn't know I didn't know the victims I didn't know the the uh area I
didn't know any of the suspects right but in Paradise Lost you can in number two you can throw uh Hobs
under the bus and then in your documentary you can throw um well I got that backwards didn't I
got you threw buyers under the bus and then you threw Hobs under the bus as well did other people no which I
understand I get it at least you're trying at least you're saying something but so you make the that you get out of
jail you make the documentary in 2012 and now you're telling me in 2018 I don't know anything you don't know
anything you've been studying this case how long were you in jail for how long were you studying this case they know
more than what they're telling us and and again I'm just disappointed because I thought here might
be you know maybe these guys were arrested unjustly maybe they're on death row unjustly but if they get out maybe
they can also to prove something to the world that not only did you let me out not only did I claim that I was innocent
but I put together enough information that you probably could go after somebody and you might not go after them
because there's somebody already convicted of this crime but we're going to put that out and again I don't know
if they're working on it I don't know if they say hey we have some stuff but we don't want to put out just a west of
Memphis documentary about some circumstantial evidence we're actually going to put
together a case File and and release that as a documentary I don't know but I I I just feel like based on what their
documentary west of Memphis said I mean it just seem like definitive statements like we can do more and we will do more
and we'll and we'll you know get answers and Justice and it just doesn't seem like they've done much you know if
anybody out there finds anything information any information regarding the uh possible Theory discussed here
earlier today uh just go to our blog and leave leave that information there and I'm sure there's uh links and stuff that
you could add to your insights into the [Music] [Applause] case

West Memphis 3 /// Off The Record /// Episode #2023 Record: 9-10-2018 Nic and the Captain discuss: WM3 www.truecrimegarage.com

Brief Summary

The episode analyzes Vicky Hutchinson's role in the West Memphis 3 case and discusses various theories surrounding the investigation.

Key points

Crowd's Mixed Emotions. The crowd cheers as the Browns didn't lose, but many left early, disheartened.
Theories on West Memphis 3. A new theory emerges regarding the West Memphis 3 case, backed by police reports.
Vicky Hutchinson's Role. Vicky Hutchinson's questionable actions and statements raise suspicions in the investigation.
Vicky Hutchinson's Testimony. Vicky Hutchinson's credibility is questioned as she admits to lying about her involvement.
The Child's Testimony. Doubts arise about the reliability of Aaron Hutchinson's statements during the investigation.
Frustration with Released Individuals. The released individuals from the case are criticized for not actively participating in the investigation.

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