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talk some true crime [Music] foreign Norse was always outgoing in a very active young lady
at an early age she was quite active in fact displaying a true love for sports teamwork and competition
she was also an animal lover and over the years collected and cared for many pets
this included all of the normal household varieties with many different kinds of pets
but a special love for cats Heather over the years participated in volleyball softball
but her true passion was found on the basketball court she excelled in every sport that she
played but especially playing for the select basketball teams these are the traveling AAU teams she
attended Perry Meridian High School where she had many friends and was very social
which was no surprise as she always had a very outgoing personality in nature and of course she competed in sports at
the high school level playing both varsity volleyball and varsity basketball she graduated from Perry Meridian in
2005. at 18 she fell quickly for a boy three years her senior this would be her first real serious
boyfriend After High School Heather went on to Indiana University in Bloomington
everything appeared to be falling right into place and right on schedule for this outgoing beautiful young woman but
life has its way of Shifting and of course the older we get and the more we take on well life can get pretty
complicated Heather uncharacteristically started missing classes and then it was time to take a break from her
schooling so she found a job that she really liked but her family and friends felt like
they were seeing less and less of her not a terribly uncommon practice as we all get busy with work and
responsibilities but clearly something was not right here and Heather's mother Debbie knew it
she knew it for sure Heather seemed to be slowly drifting away Heather did not text or call family or
friends for several days this is when her mother Debbie realized that Heather's phone was shut off
Heather's father went out searching for his daughter going to homes of her friends but he could not locate her he
went to her boyfriend Josh's house looking for her but no one answered so they called the police
and a search was launched when police checked Heather's MySpace account they found
that her last message said I can't take this anymore I need to get out of the state
[Music] where was Heather Norris this is True Crime garage [Music] foreign [Music]
the post on Heather Norris's Tuesday April 17 2007 Myspace page read as follows drama box checked current mood
sad and with the words not so simply explained the message was cryptic and alarming and
it read No One Believes Me and no one understands me you know who you are I can't take this drama anymore I need to
get out of this state followed by a series of exclamation marks and now Captain it's at this point that she is
missing remember we've already pointed out that it is the police that have found this message on her Myspace page
the thing that's concerning is did she take off as this post might suggest this would be very out of character for this
young lady as I understand it as she is very close with her family in particular
she's very close with her mother Debbie now to bring everyone up to speed the police are actively searching for
Heather Norris and this is after her family has been looking for her and unable to get a hold of her for several
days now so this information is being shared with the family and discussed with the family
the message on the Myspace page this is probably adding to the list of questions
that police will have for her family trying to track down this young college age woman
but we say this is out of character because while the drama box was checked May certainly lead one to believe this
she could have left and her family does agree with that post there was plenty of
drama in Heather's life and we will get into that shortly so I don't think anyone was 100 doubting
that Heather may have taken off may have needed to get away but the cause for major concern was that she was not
communicating any of this with her family she's not communicating at all with her family that is what is out of
character here well I'm not the brightest bulb on the planet but when when she says I need to get out of this
state do you think that's like literal or do you think that's like state of mind I don't know and I have my own
suspicions about this post meaning I'm not 100 certain that she was the one that that may have posted that created
the post this message but moving past that suspicion it could be State I I like what you're thinking there get out
of this state of mind but we do know that by this point in her life by April of 2007. you know she's lived in
Bloomington she's lived in Indianapolis and maybe maybe that's why we're saying I
need to get out of this state I've I've tried living elsewhere and I'm I'm having all this drama I'm having all
these problems maybe I just need to get completely out of Dodge but it also could be you know she went to college it
didn't work out she now has a job maybe it's just this is not the life that I want to be living
I want to be living I need to get back on my path and regardless of what exactly is going on here in this
situation of course Heather's family is extremely concerned because this is really just not adding up to them given
the quote drama in her life her family had knew that there was this drama and major cause of concern
they see this message they're looking for their daughter for their loved one and they start to believe that Heather's
ongoing problems with her boyfriend has probably led to her disappearance or why they can't find her they believe not
just that she took off they actually believe that her boyfriend may have something to hide that he's somehow
involved or responsible for the reason why they cannot locate Heather yeah her boyfriend being Joshua Bean now
from what I found it seems like they were kind of like on again off-again since high school yes that's correct
they were on again off again and that that's again the reason why the confusion for this message on one hand
the family and friends of Heathers can understand why she would want to get away from her life her drama her
boyfriend you know broken up or otherwise but at the same time they can't understand why if in fact she did choose
to leave him leave the area that they wouldn't have any kind of communication or interaction with her yeah you'd
almost think that she'd be like hey guys it's not working out with me and Joshua
and I'm going to move back home you think that they would be in the know more than anybody yeah that would make a
lot more sense because of the support group that she had it with her family and friends and the tightness that that
family had so let's back up here a little bit and really kind of dive in and review the situation as we said
Heather found her first serious boyfriend at the age of 18. Captain has already pointed out that this is a young
man named Joshua Bean this is sometime right around High School graduation her senior year boyfriend Joshua Bean he's
about three years older than Heather and while they both attended the same high school it appears to me that they didn't
really know one another during their time there together that it wasn't really them meeting until
Heather's senior year now as we said she graduated in 2005 but Heather goes missing in 2007 and April but within
just the first few months after the two began dating Heather confided and her mother Debbie telling her that Joshua
was abusive when things got out of control he was beating her she told her mom you know don't worry
about this try not to worry about this that she could handle this herself and she was attempting to handle the
situation but the abuse continued and like we have sadly seen so many times Captain the
abuse escalated to the point of persons seeing bruises on Heather and bruises all over her body and then eventually we
even have a concussion that she suffers from some of this abuse well we've all been in
bad relationships but I've never personally been involved in one that became physically abusive so I couldn't
even imagine the what's going through one's head when that's happening you know I'm
we're in an argument and now it's turning violent that um to me that would throw a bunch of red
flags and I'd be trying to get out of the situation pretty quickly but again I've never
experienced that so I have no clue what that's like well I'm guessing that it did present a whole bunch of red flags
to Heather and that's why we're going to see that this relationship is kind of on
again off again over the period of time here now before this stuff escalated Heather may have been right when she
said that she could handle it or at least I think that she believed that she could handle it I don't think that that
was just words that she was putting together to try to please her mom or calm her mom right I think that she
totally felt like hey I'm in control I'm a I'm a bright young woman who's on on my path to Greatness I'm off to college
and I have my goals I have my achievements that I'm seeking and I'm hard working and I can I can battle
through this and battle through this doesn't necessarily mean that she's going to latch on to Joshua Bean for the
rest of her life no it's probably she intended to kick this jerk to the curb and move on with
things and get on with getting on well it's tough too because this individual they might have a really good
relationship other than this part and you always hear a lot of people that have struggled with this say
well you know the partner kept on saying I'm going to change and I and that's never going to happen it's never going
to escalate to that point again well kudos for her because it looks like she was attempting to move on or handle it
because eventually at some point she will press charges against Joshua but then we're going to see him do the
normal song and dance routine of apologizing and promising that it would never happen again now I'm not exactly
sure of when the abuse in this relationship started and a lot of times we see that no one really outside of the
relationship is always certain of when the first offense occurs maybe Heather's mother Debbie knows but it's clear in
this case that once Heather went off to college the physical abuse was real by this
point so after graduating Heather moved to Bloomington to attend Indiana University Joshua Bean was attending
IUPUI Heather when she started school she moved into a dorm with her cousin this was a lifelong dream of theirs
these are cousins that are of the same age grew up together and not just cousins but very good if not best
friends like many other college kids Heather did not have a car while she's living on campus so her boyfriend Josh
would often pick her up taking her back to his place for the weekend and it seems like there was a little bit of a a
a very problematic reoccurring theme here or at least it seems that this may have happened on more than one occasion
with this jerk so at the end of the weekend when it comes time to drive his girlfriend back to her school at Indiana
University he would then suddenly refuse to drive her back right so at least on one
occasion her parents had to come and collect her from Joshua's place and then drive her back to school while he was
using it to manipulate her and control her exactly right he's using every excuse in the book as to why he's not
going to return her but at the end of the day it appears to me Captain this is this is an attempt at possessing her
right a few weeks later the following event took place over the Thanksgiving weekend of 2005. Heather and her friend
her name is Aaron they're both home from college for the holiday now during this
break Heather calls her friend Aaron crying hysterically Aaron rushes out to meet her friend just
10 minutes after the call and she finds Heather still hysterical but she also finds her with visible
marks of abuse on her there's a scratch on her eye and red finger marks on Heather's neck when Heather finally
calmed down she told Aaron that her boyfriend Joshua Bean had hit her in the stomach and put her in a headlock while
they were at his father's home thankfully Heather said that Bean's father stepped in at some point putting
a stop to this madness and that the police were in fact called now it's reported he should beat his son's ass
that may have happened we don't know that's not part of the report but the couple did break up that November so we
have these two young people dating there's a history pretty quickly of violence and the arguments becoming
physical then we have this escalation I mean at his own parents house that's pretty brazen
which will then lead to them ultimately breaking up that's correct captain now unfortunately the two reconciled on
Valentine's Day in 2006. this is when Joshua Bean visited Heather in Bloomington with a gift of flowers and
of course an apology begging her to reconsider thereafter Heather spent an increasing amount of
time with Joshua being in Indianapolis this is because she eventually started to withdraw from classes in April of
2006. eventually dropping out altogether Heather got a job after she took this break from school or quitting school she
loved it everyone says that she really dug this job and of course with the new job Heather started meeting new friends
Joshua did not like this one bit and eventually he forces her to quit that job yeah I always tell my friends or one
thing I don't think you look for in a relationship when you're younger is is this person making me better is this
person making my life better I just I think you're so caught up in attraction and uh
initial feelings and stuff like that that you don't really or at least I didn't think too much about are they
making my life better are they making me a better person do they want me to be around my friends and family they
should be supportive of that because that would that makes you a better you most of the time personally I insist
that whoever I'm with that they have a job they have hobbies they have their own friends because if I'm the only
person that you're talking to one of us is going to go crazy real quick and and I'm not that normal of a guy so
it will probably be the person that I'm with right now we have pointed out Captain how active of a lifestyle
Heather had I mean even from a young age she's very outgoing very outgoing nature
I mean most of us love hanging out with our friends and a lot of us meet love meeting other people but Heather's
friends would say that they felt creeped out by her boyfriend by Joshua bean and
they also say that it was obvious to them that Joshua was determined to keep Heather from hanging out with them this
kind of goes back to what we saw while she was at school you know the excuses of refusing to return her after
collecting her and having her at his place for the weekend it's it's that possession that it seems
that he's he's intent on having of this young woman I hate to jump around too much but what a situation if if you
walked in on your son being physically violent towards his girlfriend that would be
that'd be an intense moment because one you'd be extremely disappointed um but my my natural reaction probably
would be to uh make him swallow his own teeth I'm one though that I don't think that violence cures violence and I think
that the counseling would be could be potentially a very good thing for this Angry Young Man Who clearly does not
know how to control himself his emotions and does not know how to conduct himself
like a real man or an adult right clearly at this point he's got a lot of growing up to do and a lot of
self-improvement to to make even though this young man he begs this young woman to take him back and it does seem to be
that they were able to reconcile and they start their relationship back up again unfortunately some things never
never change and sometime in November of 2006 now we have to introduce a woman named Hazel Rish she says that she
opened her her door her front door to find a stranger at her doorstep it was Heather Norris
on risha's front doorstep on South Meridian Street in Indianapolis the young woman told Hazel that she needed
help she was asking to use Hazel's telephone she wanted to call her mother because her boyfriend had just thrown
her and all of her belongings out of his car Hazel immediately noticed that the young
woman's arms were scraped and bleeding Hazel believed Heather's story and knew that she was dealing with something
very serious here yeah of course Hazel allowed Heather to use her phone Heather called her mother Deborah Norris and
shortly after the call was placed Deborah arrived on the scene and picked Heather up who was still at Hazel's home
this led to another breakup between Heather and Joshua Bean yeah this this guy is really showing how much of a
piece of [ __ ] he is foreign [Music] [Music] foreign we are back mates cheers cheers to you Colonel cheers
Captain well what we're going to see here is continued violence from this Joshua being against his on-again
off-again girlfriend Heather Norris she's alleging domestic battery on several occasions against this guy uh
multiple times pressing charges against him and this is going to bring us to the
point of early April 2007. when Heather Norris stopped returning phone calls from family and friends
this is pretty early on in April of 2007 here captain now it wouldn't be until April 25th that Heather's mother Deborah
filed a missing persons report and again the family stating that this is after several days go by and not being able to
get a hold of Heather so so it appears that at some point probably around the 18th 19th maybe even
the 20th is when Heather's family starts having trouble getting in touch with her
they notice something serious has probably happened here they're searching for their daughter they're checking all
the normal places calling all the friends even going to the boyfriend's house the father says he gets no answer
when he goes knocking on Joshua Bean's front door and it will be on the 25th of April 2007 when the missing persons
report is officially filed this with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department the impd
but between that time period and April 25th there's going to be a lot of curious
Behavior going on a lot of things that are witnessed by other people during the course of just that couple weeks and
this really stems back to April 11th this is when Joshua Bean missed an important meeting at his place of
employment his supervisor calls Josh looking for him you know where are you we're having this meeting
to which Josh then replies via email back to the boss doesn't speak with him on the phone and in the email he's
saying that he was sick he couldn't come into work and apologize for not making the meeting he then called
the director of the company so it sounds like he goes above his supervisor's head
to make a phone call and tell the director explaining his absence basically right and it sounds to me like
the director was unable to answer the call so Josh leaves a message stating that he he was jumped and had been
attacked by a couple people and had to go see a doctor and receive medical attention for being attacked he even
comes up with a doctor's note like later he's providing his work with a doctor's
note a written doctor's note excusing him from work for not just the time that he's already missed but for the
remainder of that week let me see if I'm following this correctly he tells his boss hey I'm sorry I couldn't come in I
was sick then it goes above his head and tells somebody else I wasn't sick I was
jumped and then I had to go see a doctor because I was jumped yes I mean which one is it I mean at
some point you'd think his work would catch him in this lie of course yeah and the the problem though here too is
that's not the extent of the storytelling or the versions of this different story because he does in fact
go to the doctor and we know that because he has this written doctors note excusing him from work for the day that
he missed right but also for the rest of the week but when he went and received treatment from a doctor this was at an
urgent care clinic and he had cuts on his hands in his arms so this does seem to go along with his
story of being jumped being attacked by these people and needing medical attention however
at the doctor visit you know they want to know what what happened to you we we got to put it in our report why you
received these injuries right and he tells them a completely different story he says that uh there were he was
carrying trash the trash bags that contained broken beer bottles broken glass that was
inside the trash and somehow he he either dropped the bag or there was some kind of accident or incident that ended
up with him receiving cuts on his fingers and forearms from this carrying the broken glass he
does ultimately receive 25 stitches for cuts that he had on his person but medical professionals have seen a lot of
situations especially somebody that attacks their girlfriend and the girlfriend defends themselves and then
that person um the abuser that has wounds on them I'm sure when he's telling whatever lame
story he came up with that they're thinking that these don't look like the injury that you're describing the
following day Joshua Bean purchased a chainsaw a cotton mop and a utility knife and black
trash bags at a local hardware store he also rented a Rug Doctor cleaner and purchased a bunch of carpet cleaning
solution around the same time so mid April ish early to mid April ish Joshua starts telling his family and his
friends that him and his girlfriend Heather Norris broke up and the you know to explain I guess I guess he's
attempting to explain away why she is not with him it's also a little weird though too here
Captain because around the same time is when we have roommates that are going to
move into Joshua Bean's residence they're going to rent a room from him these two say that they never really saw
Heather Norris from the time that they moved in now the one of the roommates was a female and she would later say
that she did communicate with Heather Norris via Myspace but did think that it was strange that during their time
living there that she she had never seen her like you said this Myspace post that
she left that we talked earlier about might not have been her the communication to these new roommates
might not have been her well and I think we need to pay attention to the dates that are given to some of this some of
these actions that are taking place whether it be from activity on Heather Norris's Myspace
page and then let's cross reference that with activity that we know based off of
witness statements that this Joshua Bean what he's up to around the same time so
we know he calls off work or explains away his absence from work on April 11. the Myspace post of hey I need to get
out of this state drama box checked sadness is my mood that takes place on April 17th that's
six days later and I'm not quite certain exactly when the roommates moved in so and I I can't say for certain when
the female roommate says that she was interacting with Heather via Myspace it could be right around the same time
right it's a little unclear that portion of the story but we know that being he skips work on the 11th with the excused
absence and we know that he's not at work the rest of the week and again on the 12th we have him at the hardware
store purchasing these items which include the chainsaw a mop The Rug Doctor cleaner and again around
the same time he's telling people that Heather Norris and him are no longer an item Bean starts doing a lot of work on
his home around this time and then we have a neighbor of his who says that he sees
Joshua Bean driving away from Joshua's home in Heather Norris's car but this is kind of weird he's wearing
blue latex gloves while he's driving this vehicle away from the home on April 25th is when we have the missing persons
report okay so the 11th he's missing work the 17th is that cryptic message on her Myspace page the 25th is when
the family files the missing persons report somewhere during all of that is when the
the neighbor Witnesses being driving Heather Norris's vehicle away from his house in the blue latex
gloves well yeah one the gloves is very dexter-like and then two you're saying that she's not your
girlfriend then why are you driving her vehicle correct and you know who knows the world's a germy place maybe he's
just being proactive with the latex gloves I don't believe it but sadly on May 8th this is you know the family
already has all their suspicions and I'm not gonna lie to you man they're probably already heartbroken at this
point and really expecting to hear the worst at some point yeah the confirmation the first confirmation that
I see of this that's going to really underline their concerns and and probably tell them that this is not
going to work out very well this is on May 8th when an officer from the Indianapolis
Metropolitan Police Department locates Heather's vehicle so they find her vehicle at a hotel parking lot on the
west side of Indianapolis now also in this same month we have Joshua bean and his friend David Dawson they go on
vacation together down to Mexico while there Dawson's got some some really bad news
because he's saying one night the two of them get quite intoxicated and during the course of that evening
Bean starts confessing to him that the reason why no one can find Heather Norris is because he killed her
and that he did this at his home that he used the chainsaw to cut up the remains and then drove around the south
side of Indianapolis disposing of her in various dumpsters throughout the south side of town yeah we've seen that
in many cases where they dismember the body and then put it in separate bags and then tried to conceal their their
guilt by spreading the the victim all over town on the 24th of May the police they executed a search
warrant on beans residence during the course of this search they detect the presence of human remains in his
residence now also on the 24th after learning that police wish to talk with him because it sounds like he
wasn't present when they searched his home you know they want to speak with him especially after finding what they did
inside his home yeah finding human remains you'd think they would want to talk to him or yes evidence of human
remains Joshua Bean leaves a message with the police department and stating that any questions for him should be
directed to his attorney on the 26th so this is two days later we have Joshua Bean's father and his uncle they check
in with Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department they're telling the police what the
police kind of already know here they're saying that hey my son my nephew Joshua
Bean told us that he killed Heather Norris and that he burned and dismembered and disposed of her body so
this is when officially the missing persons case becomes a murder investigation that evening they find
Joshua Bean at the home of his cousin and they arrest him there kind of similar to the Chris Watts case where
the murderer confesses to their their father yes that's correct and it's not long after the detectives
pick him up at his cousins that once they sit him down he he pretty quickly waves his his uh rights after being
advised of his rights and he agrees to to a confession basically of the situation and and the
murder that occurred and this was a tape recorded confession being told the officers that Heather Norris was staying
with him at the time and that the murder took place on April 10th so this would be the night before he has the
eventually excused absence from work he says that the two of them began to argue
and during the course of this argument he stabbed Heather multiple times with a steak Knife this took place in the
basement of his home he said that he then took went to Great Lengths to to conceal the murder and to dispose of her
body again placing her remains in various dumpsters around the south side of Indianapolis
Joshua also said that he cleaned the laundry room area with bleach painted with black paint he painted the walls of
this basement and stairwell with black paint and the basement bathroom as well he
said that he hired someone to replace the carpet on the basement stairs we do have just like you had said you
referenced the Watts case in this situation we have his father and Uncle were present for a portion of this
interview where he confesses once again to killing Heather Norris so with the confession that is going to
[Music] um doesn't make obviously anything better but it's going to make convicting
this murderer and putting him behind bars where he should be so he can't hurt anybody else again a lot easier
than than it would if he just kept trying to deny it and trying to keep concealing that he's the murderer
yeah so this is one of those cases where it's it's very difficult and it's often
difficult to to prove because here we have no body yes they found evidence of human remains
but from my understanding Captain those were like in the form of Ashes right here so what we have is everyone else's
statements of hey I saw him doing this I saw him move her vehicle there was even
one witness that said we witnessed her vehicle in his garage for multiple days after she was no longer around and it
was only until one of us says to him hey what's her car still doing here I thought you guys broke up that he
decides to move the vehicle right so he moves the vehicle and of course as as we
already discussed he's seen moving the vehicle wearing these latex gloves he purchases all these strange items that
would go along with his confession to his friend to his father to his uncle and then police well Walmart and stores
like this should come up with like like a kill kit or like a covering up your murder kit because some of these
you want to be put on a list if you buy a chainsaw well some of these some of these idiots actually would buy those
packages um oh you're saying they should Market yeah Market it as a murder cover-up kit
because some of these guys would be like well it's all in one box it's a it's a good value and you just have the
detective waiting in hiding right it tackles you as you leave the store well no and and like you
said it's difficult because we already know a defense attorney can eat that up as far as we already know that she was
at the house and that she was present throughout that house so there's a lot of pieces of evidence that you could argue
away correct the ash form gets a little difficult but that's not really going to
be as you're pointing out here Captain clearly pointing out that's not going to be the biggest part of their case the
biggest part of their case is going to be everyone's statements and then all their statements of his activities and
his actions during the course of the time that she was missing and police and family and friends are looking for her
right they're all very suspicious and then they go along with all of the confessions that he has made so you're
absolutely right the confessions are going to make this trial a lot easier now we say trial because you would think
that this dude would just plead guilty well he he does not he actually decides to fight the charges the charge of
murder and he has his attorney work to try to suppress the some of this evidence he wants to remove his
confession to Police from The Trial and there was a case that was there was a case that was referenced in leading up
to his trial because there was another Indiana case where there was no body that kind of set the precedent for
taking a case like this to trial with nobody because we've seen that being a problem many many times now most of the
time we don't have any formal confession in those types of cases here thankfully
he confesses to police and thankfully they record the confession I'm screaming that to all of law enforcement
everywhere please can record all interrogations all questioning all confessions because that's the best way
for that information to hold up should you need for it to hold up and I'm sure that this these detectives probably
didn't think we're going to have a trial here when he's sitting here telling them
exactly what he did and exactly how it went down yeah but even if they didn't have that man it'd be tough if you're on
the jury and to hear this SOB's dad say hey my son confessed to me if he ended up taking the stand against his son that
that's pretty damning yeah his trial will only take about four days so he's TR he is charged with murder and abuse
of a corpse this on May 31st of 2007 and the trial started on August 4th and lasted until August 8th of
2008 so he received 68 years for this murder 65 of it was for the murder itself and three for the abuse of
a corpse now he did appeal this and he really appealed everything he appealed I mean absolutely everything
he he appealed the the confession he can appealed the the evidence he basically wanted to get everything thrown out and
the state of Indiana reviewed this and basically said denied uh we we've looked at everything that you sent to us
because his claim is that every time he confessed to killing Heather that he was
under the influence of drugs and alcohol that he he was either intoxicated or in
the as he says when he confessed to police he had been drinking and he had took I think it was four or five Xanax
pills and I mean of of course he would he's got to be nervous as hell the police
know what you've done They Know That You're a murderer and they're about to lock you up for a very very long time
specifically here Captain I'm reading from my notes it says that he says that he took four to six shots of
Jagermeister and three or four pills of Xanax do not people at home do not do that yeah that's not a fun drinking game
yeah don't mix Xanax in alcohol and here's another uh thing probably don't do six shots of
Jagermeister either I don't I've never had a situation where that ends nicely I don't listen to the curd on that one
that's it always goes down good um or like my father likes to say Jagermeister that's the drink people drink when they
don't like themselves right um no matter how many cases we do you go 65 years for murder it just doesn't seem
long enough and then only three years for the charge of abuse of a corpse this it just never seems
long enough well in obviously Joshua Bean has a history of violence he's prone to
violence he's a violent individual especially when it comes to his then girlfriend or on again off-again
girlfriend Heather Norris but I have I have some other questions here because my questions are
of course these other situations got out of hand got out of control with with Joshua behaving like a monster
time and time again yeah but the questions I have here too is that it looks to me
like she was due to testify against him and some of the charges that she had pressed against the assault charges the
previous assault charges right that she was set to testify against him I believe
later that month in April so I don't know if if an argument started because of that there is some suggestion and has
been some evidence that he was growing marijuana in the basement and maybe an argument started because of that it
seemed to me like there'd be many reasons for the two of them to be to are to be arguing but I I just questioned is
there a chance here that that no argument took place and that he was just he planned this it doesn't look to be
well planned out right so maybe he didn't plan it but I'm just throwing that out there that it looks to me like
she was set to testify against him and see through on some of those charges that same month yeah we just we need to
do a better job as a society trying to raise these these boys into men they're just not
there's too much abuse there's too much um mental illness there's too much I mean it's it's every week you know
and I'm sure that Joshua Bean's father wishes he handled the situation with his with his son
differently um and maybe even demanded that he stayed away from her it's a very sad
case it is a very sad case and it's a situation where I mean who knows I mean we we clearly we we put these people
under the best microscope that we can when we try to tell these true crime stories but but we don't know I mean
maybe his father did do everything right if there is such a a handbook out there
maybe he followed it to the T and and this no and I'm not trying to throw him under the processor no you know right I
get what you're saying and you're absolutely because those are some of the details that are left out of the story
it's like did he sit down his son multiple times and say look if if you can't treat this girl with respect then
you don't need to be with her I mean he might have told her told him that a bunch of times you know and he might
have uh Joshua Bean might have grew up in a household where his father showed his mom respect and and that the
men showed respect to women and were protective of women and not abusive and not
um trying to be controlling and domineering and all those things sometimes people are just
you know it's nature nurture and some people were just born a [ __ ] bag you know right and that's what I'm saying
and and Josh was certainly not under his father's roof at the time of of a lot of
this type of behavior and we know that the father stepped in at least once and well stepped in again going to police
and saying hey my son has confessed something very terrible to me you need to go and arrest him so this is you're
you're absolutely right there's you review cases like this and you go what could have we have done differently not
just as parents or families members of of both of these individuals but as a society and and how do we bring up our
young and make sure that this never happens again and of course the answers they're just not so simple they they
really just are not so simple here when you feel bad you know for her friends and family but
but also again it's there's so many victims and these stories one person touched so
many people's lives and but also I'm sure at some point when this Joshua Bean was five six years old that
his parents and his family and friends didn't think that this is how his story was going to end
so there's just so many victims in this and but we we need to do better at trying to raise better people
well unfortunately his story doesn't end I mean yes he's locked up but his earliest possible release date is
July of 2040. so he's he's younger than you and I captain his birth year was 1984. he could be out
um at some point and and hopefully uh hopefully that does not happen I think this individual should be locked up and
locked away for good here there are some other little details that I do want to throw in before we wrap up
for this week here Captain it was stated by his friend Dawson who passed along information that he said that he
received first hand from Joshua Bean while they were drinking together partying together on their trip in
Mexico he he would later tell law enforcement and testify against his his one-time friend that uh
that he was told by Joshua that Heather entered 9-1-1 in her phone and threatened to call
police and this was for a multitude of reasons multiple reasons here and that they they
were fighting and and I mean this is who knows if some of this stuff is true because it's coming from Joshua bean and
we've already seen what kind of character he has but he told Dawson that Heather's last words to him were I love
you Josh and there was some I mean if if any good could come of this it came from
Heather's family and a lot of their hard work that they have done after the murder and
we have a foundation called Heather's voice that was started by Heather's mother Debbie this is a non-profit
organization that educates teenagers about domestic violence and healthy relationships there is a Memorial
Scholarship fund that was set up there is a foundation called Heather's closet that was set up there was a lot of good
that her family has been able to do since this horrible portion of their lives in this horrific tragedy the
national teen dating abuse helpline is 1-866-331-9474 and the National Domestic Violence Hotline is 1-800-799-7233
and we ask that you not forget Heather Norris or Heather's story if anyone out there is experiencing anything
like what Heather experienced in her relationship or if you know of someone that is experiencing anything
like that please contact one of those numbers help your friend help yourself there are people out there that are able
to help you in your situation and not just of your experiencing physical violence but if you're also
being if you're being threatened with physical violence even if it hasn't escalated to that point don't hesitate
to reach out and try to get help for the situation you're in [Music] thanks for joining us here in the garage
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and leave us a five star review if you think we're worth it Colonel do we have any recommended reading this
week this week Captain we are recommending the murderer across the hall a book written by Crystal O'Keefe
O'Keefe lived with Joshua Bean when he murdered Heather Norris in April of 2007. O'Keefe and her then boyfriend
moved in with being about a week before the murder O'Keefe later testified against Joshua Bean which resulted in
his conviction proceeds from this book will support the domestic violence Network and Heather's voice and
organization started by Heather Norris's Mother after her murder check out the murderer across the hall by Crystal
O'Keefe you can find that great book and many others at our website on our recommended page that's true crime
garage.com yeah so many books if you're into reading it's the best way to do a deep dive into these cases
thanks so much for joining us join us back here in the garage next week until then be good be kind and don't litter
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Brief Summary

Heather Norris's disappearance leads to the discovery of her murder by abusive boyfriend Joshua Bean, revealing a tragic story of domestic violence.

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A Warm Welcome. The host expresses gratitude to listeners and supporters.
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Heather's Last Message. Heather's MySpace post raises alarm as she expresses a need to escape.
Heather Norris Goes Missing. After several days without contact, Heather's family files a missing persons report.
Joshua Bean's Confession. While on vacation, Joshua confesses to his friend that he killed Heather.
Murder Investigation Begins. Joshua's family informs police of his confession, leading to a murder investigation.

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