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Norris was always outgoing and a very active young lady at an early age she was quite
active in fact displaying a true love for sports teamwork and competition she was also an animal lover
and over the years collected and cared for many pets this included all of the normal household
varieties with many different kinds of pets but a special love for cats Heather over the years participated in
volleyball softball but her true passion was found on the basketball court she excelled in every sport that she played
but especially playing for the select basketball teams these are the traveling aaou teams she attended Perry Meridian
High School where she had many friends and was very social which was no surprise as she always had a very
outgoing personality and nature and of course she competed in sports at the high school level playing
both varsity volleyball and varsity basketball she graduated from Perry Meridian in 2005 at 18 she fell quickly
for a boy 3 years her senior this would be her first real serious boyfriend After High School Heather went
on to Indiana University in Bloomington everything appeared to be falling right into place and right on
schedule for this outgoing beautiful young woman but life has its way of Shifting and of course the older we get
and the more we take on well life can get pretty complicated Heather uncharacteristically
started missing classes and then it was time to take a break from her schooling so she found a job that she
really liked but her family and friends felt like they were seeing less and less
of her not a terribly uncommon practice as we all get busy with work and responsibilities but clearly something
was not right here and Heather's mother Debbie knew it she knew it for sure Heather seemed to be slowly
drifting away Heather did not text or call family or friends for several days this is when
her mother Debbie realized realized that Heather's phone was shut off Heather's father went out searching
for his daughter going to homes of her friends but he could not locate her he went to her boyfriend Josh's house
looking for her but no one answered so they called the police and a search was launched when police checked Heather's
MySpace account they found that her last message said I can't take this anymore I
need to get out of the [Music] state where was Heather Norris this is true crime
[Music] garage the post on Heather Norris's Tuesday April 17th 20 2007 Myspace page
read as follows drama box checked current mood sad and with the words not so simply explained the message was
cryptic and alarming and it read No One Believes Me and no one understands me you know who you are I can't take this
drama anymore I need to get out of this state followed by a series of exclamation marks and now Captain it's
at this point that she is missing remember we've already pointed out that it is the police that have found this
message on her Myspace page the thing that's concerning is did she take off as this post might suggest this would be
very out of character for this young lady as I understand it as she is very close with her family in particular
she's very close with her mother Debbie now to bring everyone up to speed the police are actively searching for
Heather Norris and this is after her family has been looking for her and unable to get a hold of her for several
days now so this information is being shared with the family and discussed with the family the message on the
Myspace page this is probably adding to the list of questions that police will have for her family trying to track down
this young college age woman but we say this is out of character because while the drama box was checked May certainly
lead one to believe that she could have left and her family does agree with that
post there was plenty of drama in Heather's life and we will get into that shortly so I don't think anyone was 100%
doubting that Heather may have taken off may have needed to get away but the cause for major concern was that she was
not communicating any of this with her family she's not communicating at all with her family that is what is out of
character here well I'm not the brightest bulb on the planet but when when she says I need to get out of this
state do you think that's like literal or do you think that's like state of mind I don't know and I have my own
suspicions about this post meaning I'm not 100% certain that she was the one that that may have posted that created
the post this message but moving past that suspicion it could be State I I like what you're thinking there get out
of the state of mind but we do know that by this point in her life by April of 2007 you know she's lived in Bloomington
she's lived in Indianapolis and maybe maybe that's why we're saying I need to get out of the state I've I've
tried living elsewhere and I'm I'm having all this drama I'm having all these problems maybe I just need to get
completely out of Dodge but it also could be you know she went to college it didn't work out she's now has a job
maybe it's just this is not the life that I want to be living and I want to be living I need to get back on my path
and regardless of what exactly is going on here in this situation of course Heather's family is extremely concerned
because this is really just not adding up to them given the quote drama in her life her family had knew that there was
this drama and major cause of concern they see this message they're looking for their daughter for their
loved one and they start to believe that Heather's ongoing problems with her boyfriend has probably led to her
disappearance or why they can't find her they believe not just that she took off
they actually believe that her boyfriend may have something to hide that he's somehow involved or respond responsible
for the reason why they cannot locate Heather yeah her boyfriend being Joshua Bean
now from what I found it seems like they were kind of like on again off again since high school yes that's correct
they were on again off again and that that's again the reason why the confusion for this message on one hand
the family and friends of Heathers can understand why she would want to get away from her life her drama her
boyfriend you know broken up or otherwise but at the same time they can't understand why if in fact she did
choose to leave him leave the area that they wouldn't have any kind of communication or interaction with her
yeah you'd almost think that she'd be like hey guys it's not working out with me and Joshua and I'm going to move back
home you'd think they they would be in the know more than anybody yeah that would make a lot more sense because of
the support group that she had it with her family and friends and the tightness that that family had so let's back up
here a little bit and really kind of dive in and review the situation as we said Heather found her first serious
boyfriend at the age of 18 Captain has already pointed out that this is young man named Joshua Bean this is sometime
right around High School graduation her senior year boyfriend Joshua Bean he's about 3 years older than Heather and
while they both attended the same high school it appears to me that they didn't really know one another during their
time there together that it wasn't really them meeting until Heather's senior year now as we said she graduated
in 2005 but Heather goes missing in 2007 in April but within just the first few months after the two began dating
Heather confided in her mother Debbie telling her that Joshua was abusive when things got out of control he was beating
her she told her mom you know don't worry about this try not to worry about this that she could handle this herself
and she was attempting to handle the situation but the abuse continued and like we have sadly seen so many times
Captain the abuse escalated to the point of person seeing bruises on and bruises all over her body and then
eventually we even have a concussion that she suffers from some of this abuse well we've all been
in bad relationships but I've never personally been involved in one that became physically abusive so I I
couldn't even imagine the what's going through one's head when that's happening you know I'm
we're in an argument and now it's turning violent that um to me that would throw a bunch of red flags and I'd be
trying to get out of the situation pretty quickly but again I've never experienced that so I have no clue
what that's like well I'm guessing that it did present a whole bunch of red flags to Heather and that's why we're
going to see that this relationship is kind of on again off again over the period of time here now before this
stuff escalated Heather may have been right when she said that she could hand it or at least I think that she believed
that she could handle it I don't think that that was just words that she was putting together to try to please her
mom or calm her mom right I think that she totally felt like hey I'm in control I'm a I'm a bright young woman who's on
on my path to Greatness I'm off to college and I have my goals I have my achievements that I'm seeking and I'm
hardworking and I can I can battle through this and battle through this doesn't necessarily mean that she's
going to latch on to Joshua Bean for the rest of her life no it's probably she intended to kick this jerk to the curb
and move on with things and get on with getting on well it's tough too because this individual they might have a really
good relationship other than this part and you always hear a lot of uh people that have struggled with
this say well you know the partner kept on saying I'm going to change and and that's never going to happen it's never
going to escalate to that point again well kudos for her because it it looks like she was attempting to move on or
handle it because eventually at some point she will press charges against Joshua but then we're going to see him
do the normal song and dance routine of apologizing and promising that it would never happen again now I'm not exactly
sure of when the abuse in this relationship started and a lot of times we see that no one really outside of the
relationship is always certain of when the first offense occurs maybe Heather's mother Debbie knows but it's clear in
this case that once Heather went off to college the physical abuse was real by this point so after graduating Heather
moved to Bloomington to attend Indiana University Joshua Bean was attending IUPUI Heather when she started school
she moved into a dorm with her cousin this was a lifelong dream of theirs these are cousins that are of the same
age grew up together and not just cousins but very good if not best friends like many other college kids
Heather did not have a car while she's living on campus so her boyfriend Josh would often pick her up taking her back
to his place for the weekend and it seems like there was a little bit of a a a a very problematic reoccurring theme
here or at least it seems that this may have happened on more than one occasion with this jerk so at the end of the
weekend when it comes time to drive his girlfriend back to her school at Indiana
University he would then suddenly refuse to drive her back right so at least on one occasion her parents had to come and
collect her from Joshua's place and then drive her back to school well he was using it to manipulate her and control
her exactly right he's using every excuse in the book as to why he's not going to return her but at the end of
the day it appears to me Captain this is this is an attempt at possessing her right a few weeks later the following
event took place over the Thanksgiving weekend of 2005 Heather and her friend her name is Aaron they're both home from
college for the holiday now during this break Heather calls her friend Aaron crying
hysterically Aaron rushes out to meet her friend just 10 minutes after the call and she finds Heather still
hysterical but she also finds her with visible marks of abuse on her there's a scratch on her eye and red finger marks
on Heather's neck when Heather finally com Cal down she told Aaron that her boyfriend Joshua Bean had hit her in the
stomach and put her in a headlock while they were at his father's home thankfully Heather said that Bean's
father stepped in at some point putting a stop to this madness and that the police were in fact called now it's
repord he should have beat his son's ass that may have happened we don't know that's not part of the report but the
couple did break up that November so we have these two young people dating there's a history pretty quickly of
violence and the arguments becoming physical then we have this escalation I mean at his own parents
house that's pretty brazing which will then lead to them ultimately breaking up that's correct
captain now unfortunately the two reconciled on Valentine's Day in 20 06 this is when
Joshua Bean visited Heather in Bloomington with a gift of flowers and of course an apology begging her to
reconsider thereafter Heather spent an increasing amount of time with Joshua Bean in
Indianapolis this is because she eventually started to withdraw from classes in April of
2006 eventually dropping out altogether Heather got a job after she took this break from school or quitting school she
loved it everyone says that she really dug this job and of course with the new job Heather started meeting new friends
Joshua did not like this one bit and eventually he forces her to quit that job yeah I always tell my friends or one
thing I don't think you look for in a relationship when you're younger is is this person making me better is this
person making my life better I just I I think you're so caught up in attraction and uh
initial feelings and stuff like that that you don't really or at least I didn't think too much about are they
making my life better are they making me a better person do they want me to be around my friends and family they should
be supportive of that because that would that makes you a better you most of the
time personally I insist that whoever I'm with that they have a job they have hobbies they have their their own
friends because if I'm the only person that you're talking to one of us is going to go crazy real
quick and and I'm not that normal of a guy so it will probably be the person that I'm with right now we have pointed
out Captain how active of a lifestyle Heather had I mean even from a young age she's very outgoing very outgoing
nature I mean most of us love hanging out with our friends and a lot of us meet love meeting other people but
Heather's friends would say that they felt creeped out by her boyfriend by Joshua bean and they also say that it
was obvious to them that Joshua was determined to keep Heather from hanging out with them this kind of goes back to
what we saw while she was at school you know the excuses of refusing to return her after collecting her and having her
at his place for the weekend it's it's that possession that it seems that he's he's intent on having of this young
woman I hate to jump around too much but what a situation if if you walked in on
your son being physically violent towards his girlfriend that would be that'd be an intense moment because
one you'd be extremely disappointed um but my my natural reaction probably would be to uh make
him swallow his own teeth I'm one though that I don't think that viol cures violence and I think that the counseling
would be could be potentially a very good thing for this Angry Young Man Who clearly does not know how to control
himself his emotions and does not know how to conduct himself like a real man or an adult right clearly at this point
he's got a lot of growing up to do and a lot of self-improvement to to make even
though this young man he begs this young woman to take him back and it does seem
to be that they were able to reconcile and they start their relationship back up again unfortunately some things never
never change and sometime in November of 2006 now we have to introduce a woman named Hazel Rish she says that she
opened her door her front door to find a stranger at her doorstep it was Heather
Norse on Rich's front doorstep on South Meridian Street in India Apolis the young woman told Hazel that she needed
help she was asking to use Hazel's telephone she wanted to call her mother because her boyfriend had just thrown
her and all of her belongings out of his car Hazel immediately noticed that the young woman's arms were scraped and
bleeding Hazel believed Heather's story and knew that she was dealing with something very serious here yeah of
course Hazel allowed Heather to use her phone Heather called her mother Deborah Norris and shortly after the call was
placed Deborah arrived on the scene and picked Heather up who was still at Hazel's home this led to another breakup
between Heather and Joshua Bean yeah this this guy is really showing how much of a piece of [ __ ] he
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cheers to you Colonel cheers Captain well what we're going to see here is continued violence from this Joshua Bean
against his on again off again girlfriend Heather Norris she's alleging domestic battery on several occasions
against this guy uh multiple times pressing charges against him and this is going to bring us to the point of early
April 2007 when Heather Norris St returning phone calls from family and friends this
is pretty early on in April of 2007 here captain now it wouldn't be until April 25th that Heather's mother Deborah filed
a missing persons report and again the family stating that this is after several days go by and not being able to
get a hold of Heather so so it appears that at some point probably around the 18th 19th
maybe even the 20th is when Heather's family starts having trouble getting in touch with her they notice something
serious has probably happened here they're searching for their daughter they're checking all the normal places
calling all the friends even going to the boyfriend's house the father says he gets no answer when he goes knocking on
Joshua Bean's front door and it will be on the 25th of April 2007 when the missing person's report is officially
filed this with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department the impd but between that time period and
April 25th there's going to be a lot of curious Behavior going on a lot of things that are witnessed by other
people during the course of just that couple weeks and this really stems back to April 11th this is when Joshua Bean
missed an important me meeting at his place of employment his supervisor calls Josh looking for him
you know where are you we're having this meeting to which Josh then replies via email back to the boss doesn't speak
with him on the phone and in the email he's saying that he was sick he couldn't come into work and apologize for not
making the meeting he then called the director of the company so it sounds like he goes above his supervisor's head
to make a phone call and tell the director explaining his absence basically right and it sounds to me like
the director was unable to answer the call so Josh leaves a message stating that he he was jumped and had been
attacked by a couple people and had to go see a doctor and receive medical attention for being attacked he he even
comes up with a doctor's note like later he's providing his work with a doctor's
note a written doctor's note excusing him from work for not just the time that he's already missed but for the
remainder of that week well let me see if I'm following this correctly he tells his boss hey I'm sorry I couldn't come
in I was sick then goes above his head and tells somebody else I wasn't sick I was jumped and then I had to go see a
doctor because I was jumped yes I mean which one is it I mean at some point you'd think work would
catch him in this lie of course yeah and the the problem though here too is that's not the extent of the story
telling or the versions of this different story because he does in fact go to the doctor and we know that
because he has this written doctors not excusing him from work for the day that he missed right but also for the rest of
the week but when he went and received treatment from a doctor this was at an urgent care clinic and he had cuts on
his hands in his arms so this does seem to go along with his story of being jumped being attacked by these people
and needing medical attention however at the doctor visit you know they want to know what what happened to you we we got
to put it in our report why you received these injuries right and he tells them a
completely different story he says that uh there were he was carrying trash that trash bags that contained
broken beer bottles broken glass that was inside the trash and somehow he he either dropped the bag or there was some
kind of accident or incident that ended up with him receiving cuts on his fingers and
forearms from this carrying the broken glass he does ultimately receive 25 stitches for cuts that he had on his
person but medical professionals have seen a lot of situations especially somebody that attacks their girlfriend
and the girlfriend defends themselves and then that person um the abuser then has wounds on them I'm sure when he's
telling whatever lame story he came up with that they're thinking that these don't look like the injury that you're
describing the following day Joshua Bean purchased a chainsaw a cotton mop and a
utility knife and black trash bags at a local hardware store he also rented a Rug Doctor cleaner and purchased a bunch
of carpet cleaning solution around the same time so mid April is early to mid april-ish Joshua starts telling his
family and his friends that him and his girlfriend Heather Norris broke up and the you know to explain I guess I guess
he's attempting to explain a way why she is not with him it's also a little weird
though too here Captain because around the same time is when we have roommates that are going to move into Joshua
Bean's residence they're going to rent a room from him these two say that they never really saw Heather Norris from the
time that they moved in now the one of the roommates was a female and she would later say that she did communicate with
hea Norris via Myspace but did think that it was strange that during their time living there that she she had never
seen her like you said this Myspace post that she left that we talked earlier about might not have been her the
communication to these new roommates might have not have been her well and I think we need to pay attention to the
dates that are given to some of this some of these actions that are taking place whether it be
from activity on Heather Norris's Myspace page and then let's cross reference that with activity that we
know based off of witness statements that this Joshua being what he's up to around the same time so we know he calls
off work or explains away his absence from work on April 11 the Myspace post of hey I need to get out of this state
drama box checked sadness is my mood that takes place on April 17th that's 6 days later and I'm not quite certain
exactly when the roommates moved in so and I I can't say for certain when the female roommate says that she was
interacting with Heather via Myspace it could be right around the same time right it's a little unclear
that portion of the story but we know that bean he skips work on on the 11th with the excused absence and we know
that he's not at work the rest of the week and again on the 12th we have him at the hardware store purchasing these
items which include the chainsaw a mop The Rug Doctor cleaner and again around the same time he's tell telling people
that Heather Norris and him are no longer an item Bean starts doing a lot of work on his home around this time and
then we have a neighbor of his who says that he sees Joshua Bean driving away from
Joshua's home in Heather Norris's car but this is kind of weird he's wearing blue latex
gloves while he's driving this vehicle away from the home on April 25th is when we have the missing persons report okay
so the 11th he's missing work the 17th is that cryptic message on her Myspace page the 25th is when the family files
the missing person's report somewhere during all of that is when the the neighbor Witnesses being driving Heather
norse's vehicle away from his house in the blue latex gloves well yeah one the gloves is very Dexter like and then two
you you're saying that she's not your girlfriend then why are you driving her vehicle correct and you know who knows
the world's a germy place maybe he's just being proactive with the latex gloves I don't believe it but sadly on
May 8th this is you know the family already has all their suspicions and I'm not going to lie to you man they're
probably already heartbroken at this point and really expecting to hear the worst at some point yeah the
confirmation the first confirmation that I see of this that's going to really underline their concerns and and
probably tell them that this is not going to work out very well this is on May 8th when an officer from the
Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department locates Heather's vehicle so they find her vehicle at a hotel parking
lot on the west side of Indianapolis now also in the same month we have Joshua bean and his friend David Dawson they go
on together down to Mexico while there Dawson's got some some really bad news because he's saying one
night the two of them get quite intoxicated and during the course of that evening Bean starts confessing to
him that the reason why no one can find Heather Norris is because he killed her and that he did this at his
home that he used the chainsaw to cut up the remains and then drove around the south side of
Indianapolis disposing of her in various dumpsters throughout the southside of town yeah we've seen that in many cases
where they dismember the body and then put it in separate bags and then try to conceal their their guilt by spreading
the the the victim all over town on the 2 4th of May the police they executed a search warrant on Bean's residence
during the course of this search they detect the presence of human remains in his residence now also on the
24th after learning that police wished to talk with him because it sounds like he wasn't present when they searched his
home you know they want to speak with him especially after finding what they did inside his home yeah finding
human remains you think they would want to talk to him or yes evidence of human remains Joshua Bean leaves a message
with the police department and stating that any questions for him should be directed to his attorney on the 26th so
this is two days later we have Joshua Bean's father and his uncle they check in with Indianapolis Metropolitan Police
Department they're telling the police what the police kind of already know here they're saying that hey my son my
nephew Joshua Bean told us that he killed Heather Norse and that he burned and dismembered and disposed of her body
so this is when officially the missing person's case becomes a murder investigation that evening they find
Joshua being at the home of his cousin and they arrest him there kind of similar to the Chris Watts case where
the murderer confesses to their their father yes that's correct and it's not long after the detectives pick him up at
his cousins that once they sit him down he he pretty quickly waves his his uh rights after being advised of his rights
and he agrees to to a confession basically of the situation and and the murder that occurred and this was a tape
recorded confession being told the officers that Heather Norris was staying with him at the time and that the murder
took place on April 10th so this would be the night before he has the eventually excused absence from work
right he says that the two of them began to argue and during the course of this argument he stabbed Heather multiple
times with a Stak knife this took place in the basement of his home he said that
he then took went to Great Lengths to to conceal the murder and to dispose of her
body again placing her remains in various dumpsters around the south side of Indianapolis Joshua also said that he
cleaned the laundry room area with bleach painted with black paint he painted the walls of this basement in
stairwell with black paint and the basement bathroom as well he said that he hired someone to replace
the carpet on the basement stairs we do have just like you had said you referen the Watts case in this situation we have
his father and Uncle were present for a portion of this interview where he confesses once again to killing Heather
Norse so with the confession that is going [Music] to doesn't make obviously anything
better but it's going to make convicting this murderer and putting him behind bars where he should be so he
can't hurt anybody else again a lot easier than than it would if he just kept trying to deny it and trying to
keep concealing that he's the murderer yeah so this is one of those cases where it's it's very difficult and it's often
difficult to to prove because here we have no body yes they found evidence of human remains but for my understanding
Captain those were like in the form of Ashes right here so what we have is everyone else's statements of hey I saw
him doing this I saw him move her vehicle there was even one witness that said we witnessed her vehicle in his
garage for multiple days after she was no longer around and it was only until one of us says to him hey what's her car
still doing here I thought you guys broke up that he decides to move the vehicle right so he moves the vehicle
and of course as as we already discussed he seen moving the vehicle wearing these
latex gloves he purchases all these strange items that would go along with his confession to his friend to his
father to his uncle and then police well Walmart and stores like this should come
up with like like a kill kit or like a covering up your murder kit because some of these you want to be put on a list if
you buy a chainsaw well some of these some of these idiots actually would buy those packages um oh you're saying they
should Market yeah Market it as a a murder coverup kit cuz some of these guys would be like well it's all in one
box it's a it's a good value um and you just have a detective waiting in hiding that tackles you as
you leave the store well no and and like you said it's difficult because we already know a defense attorney can eat
that up as far as we we already know that she was at the house and that she was present throughout the house so
there's a lot of pieces of evidence that you could argue away correct the ash form gets a little difficult but that's
not really going to be as you're pointing out here Captain clearly pointing out that's not going to be the
biggest part of their case the biggest part of their case is going to be everyone's statements and then all their
statements of his activities and his actions during the course of the time that she was missing and police and
family and friends are looking for her right they're all very suspicious and then they go along with all of the
confessions that he has made so you're absolutely right the confessions are going to make this trial a lot easier
now we say trial because you would think that this dude would just plead guilty well he he does not he actually decides
to fight the charges the charge of murder and he has his attorney work to try to suppress the some of this
evidence he wants to remove his confession to Police from the trial and there was a case that was there was a
case that was referenced in leading up to his trial um because there was another Indiana case where there was no
body that kind of set the precedent for taking a case like this to trial with nobody because we've seen that being a
problem many many times now most of the time we don't have any formal confession
in those types of cases here thankfully he confesses to police and thankfully they record the
confession I'm screaming that to all of law enforcement everywhere please conf record all interrogations all
questioning all confessions because that's the best way for that information to hold up should you need for it to
hold up and I'm sure that this these detectives probably didn't think we're going to have a trial here when he's
sitting here telling them exactly what he did and exactly how it went down yeah but even if they didn't have that man
it' be tough if you're on the jury and to hear this SOB's dad say hey he my son confessed to me if he ended up taking
the stand against his son that that's pretty damning yeah his trial will only take about 4 days so he's Tri he is
charged with murder and abuse of a corpse this on May 31st of 2007 and the trial started on August 4th
and lasted until August 8th of 2008 so he received 68 years for this murder 65 of it was for
the murder itself and three for the abuse of a corpse now he did appeal this and he really appealed
everything he appealed I mean absolutely everything he he appealed the the confession he con appealed the the
evidence he basically wanted to get everything thrown out and the state of Indiana reviewed this and basically said
denied uh we we've looked at everything that you sent to us because his claim is
that every time he confessed to killing Heather that he was under the influence of drugs and alcohol that he he was
either intoxicated or in the as he says when he confessed to police he had been drinking and he had took I think it was
four or five Xanax pills and I mean of of course he would he's got to be nervous as hell the police know what
you've done They Know That You're a murderer and they're about to lock you up for a very very long time
specifically here Captain I'm reading from my notes it says that he says that he took four to six shots of Jagger
meister and three or four pills of Xanax do not people at home do not do that yeah that's not a fun drinking game yeah
don't mix Xanax in alcohol and here here's another uh thing probably don't do six shots of jgermeister either I
don't I've never had a situation where that ends nicely well I don't listen to the Curt on that one that's it always
goes down good um or like my father likes to say Jagger Meister that's the drink people drink when they don't like
themselves right um no matter how many cases we do you go 65 years for murder just doesn't seem long enough and then
only 3 years for the charge of abuse of a corpse just it just never seems long enough well and obviously
Joshua Bean has a history of violence he's prone to violence he's a violent individual especially when it comes to
his then girlfriend or on again off again girlfriend Heather Norris but I have I have some other questions here
because my questions are of course these other situations got out of hand got out
of control with with Joshua behaving like a monster time and time again yeah but the
questions I have here too is that it looks to me like she was due to testify against him in some of the charges that
she had pressed against the assault charges the previous assault charges right that she was set to testify
against him I believe later that month in April so I don't know if an argument started because of that there is some
suggestion and has been some evidence that he was growing marijuana in the basement and maybe an argument started
because of that it it seems to me like there' be many reasons for the two of them to be to to be arguing but I I just
questioned is there a chance here that that no argument took place and that he was just he planned this it doesn't look
to be well planned out right uh so maybe he didn't plan it but I'm just throwing
that out there that it looks to me like she was set to testify against him and see through on some of those
charges that same month yeah we just we need to do a better job as a society trying to raise
these these boys into men they're they're just not there's too much abuse there's too
much um mental illness there's too much I mean it's it's every week you know and
I'm sure that Joshua Bean's father wishes he handled the situation with his with his
son differently um and maybe even demanded that he stayed away from her it's a very
sad case it is a very sad case and it's a situation where I mean who knows I mean we we clearly we we put these
people under the best microscope that we can when we try to tell these true crime
stories but but we don't know I mean maybe his father did do everything right if there is such a a handbook out there
maybe he followed it to the tea and and and this no I'm not trying to throw him under the bus or anything you know right
I get what you're saying and and you're absolutely cuz those are some of the details that are left out of the story
it's like did he sit down his son multiple times and say look if if you can't treat this girl with respect then
you don't need to be with her I mean he might have told her told him that a bunch of times you know and he might
have uh Joshua Bean might have grew up in a household where his father showed his mom respect and and that the men
showed respect to women and were protective of women and not abusive and not um trying to be controlling and and
domineering and all those things sometimes people are just you know it's nature or nurture and some people are
just born a ship bag you know right and that's what I'm saying and and Josh was certainly not under his father's roof at
the time of of a lot of this type of behavior and we know that the father stepped in at least once and well
stepped in again going to police and saying hey my son has confessed something very terrible to me you need
to go and arrest him so this is you're you're absolutely right there's you review cases like this and you go what
could have we have done differently not just as parents or or families members of of both of these individuals but as a
society and and how do we bring up our young and make sure that this never happens again and of course the answers
they're just not so simple they they really just are not so simple here when you feel bad
you know for her friends and family but but also again it's there's so many victims in these stories one person
touched so many people's lives and but also I'm sure at some point when this Joshua Bean was five six years old
that his parents and his family and friends didn't think that this is how his story was going to end uh so there's
just so many victims in this and but we we need to do better at trying to raise better
people well and unfortunately his story doesn't end I mean yes he's locked up but his earliest possible release date
is July of 2040 so he's he's younger than you and I captain his birth year was 1984 he could be out um at some point
and and hopefully uh hopefully that does not happen I think this individual should be locked up and locked away for
good here there are some other little details that I do want to throw in before we wrap up for this week here
Captain it was stated by his friend Dawson who passed along information that he said that he received firsthand from
Joshua Bean while they were drinking together partying together on their trip in Mexico he he would later tell law
enforcement and testify against his his one-time friend that uh that he was told
by Joshua that Heather entered 911 in her phone and threatened to call police and this was for a multitude of
reasons a m multiple reasons here and that they they were fighting and and I mean this is who knows if some of this
stuff is true because it's coming from Josh josua bean and we've already seen what kind of character he has but he
told Dawson that Heather's last words to him were I love you Josh um and there was some I mean if if any good
could come of this it it came from Heather's family and a lot of their hard work that they have done after the
murder and we have a foundation called Heather's voice that was started by Heather's mother Debbie this is a
nonprofit organization that educates teenagers about domestic violence and healthy relationships there is a
Memorial Scholarship fund that was set up there is a foundation called Heather's closet that was set up there
was a lot of good that her family has been able to do since this horrible portion of their lives and this horrific
tragedy the national teen dating abuse helpline is 18663 331 9474 and the National Domestic Violence
Hotline is 1 18007997233 and we ask that you not forget Heather Norris or Heather's story if anyone out
there is experiencing anything anything like what Heather experienced in her relationship or if
you know of someone that is is experiencing anything like that please contact one of those numbers help your
friend help yourself there are people out there that are able to help you in your situation
and not just if you're experiencing physical violence but if you're also being if you're being
threatened with physical violence even if it hasn't escalated to that point uh don't hesitate to reach out and try to
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reading this week this week Captain we are recommending the murderer across the hall a book written by Crystal O'Keefe
O'Keefe lived with Joshua Bean when he murdered Heather Norris in April of 2007 O'Keefe and her then boyfriend moved in
with Bean about a week before the murder O'Keefe later testified against Joshua Bean which resulted in his conviction
proceeds from this book will support the domestic violence Network and Heather's
voice an organiz ganization started by Heather Norris's Mother after her murder check out the murderer across the hall
by Crystal O'Keefe you can find that great book and many others at our website on our recommended page that's
true crime garage.com yeah so many books if you're into reading it's the best way to do a
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Brief Summary

Heather Norris went missing in 2007; her boyfriend Joshua Bean confessed to her murder amid a history of domestic abuse.

Key points

Heather's Last Message. Heather's final MySpace post raises alarms about her mental state before her disappearance.
The Search Begins. Heather's family and police launch a search after she goes missing, raising concerns.
Abusive Relationship. Heather confides in her mother about her boyfriend's abusive behavior, escalating concerns.
Heather's Disturbing Situation. Heather Norris finds herself in a dangerous situation, seeking help from a stranger.
The Search for Heather. Heather's family files a missing persons report after losing contact with her.
Suspicious Behavior. Joshua Bean's actions raise red flags as he misses work and makes strange purchases.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I can't take this anymore, I need to get out of this state!

Heather's last MySpace message before going missing.

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Tension

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