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true crime Clinton had integrated a number of corrupt cops judges and politicians into
high level positions to ensure the continued success of the drug smuggling money laundering operations all was
going well until a fateful night in the fall of 1987 on August 22nd 1987 Kevin had spent
the night with his friend Don Henry they left uh Don's home around 12:30 or quar
till 1 uh on the 23rd of August in early morning hours and uh the next thing we knew they had been
run over by a train there seems to be a small air strip in the area there have been sightings and uh reports of small
airplanes flying very low with lights off in the area I believe they saw something they shouldn't have seen 3
weeks later their deaths were ruled accidental by the state medical examiner fam Malik and um we disagree with that
ruling uh because we thought the evidence pointed to homicide uh at that point we had a lot
of questions and no answers uh and the facts didn't add up to what he was telling us so we decided
to get a second opinion and uh met with resistance from all fronts both with our local law
enforcement with State Crime Lab uh with everybody that we turned to um we obtained quar
orders uh we requesting samples of everything that the crime lab had for a second opinion and uh fam
Malik um resisted court orders uh he refused to obey them ultimately was proven that
Don Henry had been stabbed in the back and Kevin I's skull had been crushed prior to the placement of their bodies
on the railroad tracks however Malik stood by his ruling that the boys had simply fallen asleep on the tracks mik
had been kept in office at the insistence of Governor Clinton for a number of years despite vigorous public
outcry to have him removed as long as Malik's rulings pleased the governor's office or State
Police they were left to stand no matter how implausible Malik's obvious lack of
medical knowledge reached a pinnacle when he ruled that James milm who had been decapitated had died of natural
causes yet Clinton who had the power to remove Malik from Office insisted he day there were allegations of tampering
with evidence in murder cases uh there were allegations of perjury in different cases it didn't
seem to matter what malet did Clinton uh protected him he made excuses such as he's
overworked uh he's just stressed out he's underpaid uh they gave him a $144,000 raise which was an insult uh to my
family as well as a lot of others in the state who um to this day are struggling
with asinine rulings and the deaths of children and other loved ones I was outraged that protecting a political
crony of Clinton's was more important than the fact that two young boys had been murdered Dan Harmon was just a
local attorney in in the town of Benton Arkansas and uh after Don Henry and Kevin IES were killed and their bodies
placed on the tracks and run over by a train he approached Linda IES and the Henry
family about trying to help him he's a manipulator gives a great closing argument in court he's been trained for
years to play the game he knows how to do it he's very good at it Mr Harmon can win your confidence
make you think he's the greatest guy down the world he did that to Linda IES he helped lead them down a
path that absolutely led to Nowhere on this case I got involved in the case and immediately harm and
uh tried to discredit me without even knowing me couldn't figure it out I run across a
young lady named Charlene Wilson who told a horror story that I didn't really believe at the
time so I started searching for evidence to substantiate just part of what she had said Herman went
bistic called he threatened me threatened Sheriff Pon threatened Captain Jean Donham the chief
Deputy all because I talked to this one woman the people at the track that night to my knowledge were Dan Harmon
Keith mccal Larry relle on Sunday August 23rd 1987 two teenage boys were run over by a train
traveling through Bryant Arkansas What followed was an investigation by local law enforcement this is the s County
Sheriff's Office who refused to investigate this as a possible homicide they saw no evidence of Foul Play but
they weren't really looking for any uh publicly the Sheriff's Office spoke of the incident as though it were an
accident and to the families of the two teenagers 17-year-old Kevin Ives and 16-year-old Don Henry they talked as if
this were a likely suicide the medical examiner this is the captain's friend FY Malik ruled the deaths in accident due
to marijuana intoxication well he ruled these deaths at accident due to his stupidity months after the deaths two
men present themselves to the families of the boys this is Richard Garrett and he brings in Dan Harmon who is appointed
as a special prosecutor in this matter working with the grand jury trying to piece together a double murder case and
Garrett and Harmon will help out in this case they do get it overturned from an accidental death to a possible murder
yeah yes and then they start investigating looking for the killer or killers of these two boys last week we
took you through the night the two boys were run over the medical examiner's findings and even though the Sheriff's
Office and the medical examiner both decided this was an accident we showed you a second autopsy which showed
significant evidence that both boys were dead before they were placed on the tracks and that both boys were murdered
and placed there so that their bodies and all other evidence would be destroyed and we can clearly see that
Don was stabbed in the back and we also can see that Kevin was he had a skull fracture so somebody and we have
eyewitnesses that saw uh possibly a police officer hitting him with a object in the face mhm probably the very rifle
that the two boys were carrying that night very possible fluids in the body pointed toward a slower death for both
and not a sudden death like that of a being run over by a train and I witness statements regarding the lack of blood
and the color of the blood proving that the blood itself was not fresh we also talked about witness statements many of
these given to the Arkansas State Police two witnesses placed Dan Harmon at the tracks the night that the boys died this
is why the case is so odd is because you have this guy this prosecutor that comes
forward and says hey you know this lawyer that says hey I can help this family I can bring some justice oh it
was an accidental death it was a and we're going to find this person but then the more you dig you realize this person
that's claiming they're going to help you they're they're the ones that people are saying it possibly is uh responsible
for these murders yes exactly now we do have to introduce a man by the name of Barry seal Barry seal was a Gunrunner
and a drug runner in the 80s uh Barry would arrange for privately owned planes to fly guns to Colombia and on return
flights he was bringing drugs back into the United States at least one pilot has
come forward who claimed to have many times flown a drug drop at the place where the boys had died some of the
local law enforcement was in charge of securing these drops and just prior to Kevin and Don's deaths a drop at that
location had gone missing so those local law enforcements that that were involved
in this operation well they were on high alert they were waiting for somebody to
try to steal that next drop and then that night Kevin Ives and Don Henry happened by let's get to each one of the
eyewitnesses and what happened with them after they came forward with information
well we should start off with the big one and this is Charlene Wilson she had the statement saying that the people at
the tracks that night were Dan Harmon Keith mccal and Larry Rochelle she also said that she believed that the boys
were watching the drop site and that they got curious about what was being dropped there well we know that Charlene
Wilson she ends up in prison yeah and who puts her in prison uh our good friend Dan Harman right right well we
got to put her in prison so she stops running her mouth right and the thing is the the thing that's crazy about her
confession is that this was a confession that was she gave this confession written confession in her in her own in
our own writing mhm and this is witnessed by three officials three law law enforcement officials and we know
that because their signatures are on her confession well when I normally confess
to something I do it in somebody else's handwriting well she confesses in front of these three people in
1993 and then this confession goes nowhere none of these law enforcement officials do anything with this
confession it's buried in the crime file right and in the case File and it's not
discovered again until 2015 right does it play a little devil's advocate here though is it a coincidence though that
she is put in jail by Dan Harmon you know put away to keep her quiet or is she coming out later saying oh he was
involved in these murders which maybe he was maybe he wasn't we also had several
witnesses who placed two palaski County officers this is Kirk Lane and Jay Campbell as not only being in the area
where the boys were killed but as having been seen and I'll quote one of the witness's statements as beating the [ __ ]
out of the two boys near the grocery store down by the tracks the first man was who we simply just know as Jerry who
was described as a Mexican looking man in a dark blue Camaro right Jerry after telling Mike crook that he had witnessed
the two boys being beat up and thrown into the back of an unmarked police car he went and told this story to sheriff
Jim Ste now pay attention cuz that's a name that's going to come up several times Jim Ste was the Boss Hog at say
County he was the sheriff he was running the Sheriff's Office Jim Ste threw Jerry
into jail and locked him up for 90 days for unpaid child support the day that Jerry gets out of jail he tells Jim
crook that he was told to leave town or else and that he was moving to California Jerry did leave town we don't
know exactly where he went uh but he's not been seen again and Jim Crook's story was presented to the Arkansas
State Police least several months after the fact and they made what I would argue to be no effort to identify this
man that we only know as Jerry well first of all like I said sketchy Jerry you got to pay for your kids you know if
you have child support pay for your damn kids right mhm that's one uh two who knows where he went off to uh it's it's
a little weird it's definitely weird but uh it's weird too that obviously viously
they had reason to lock him up mhm for the child support so they know his name MH and why they're you know maybe
they're just not releasing into the public for his protection or maybe something Foul Play happened and they
don't want that to be brought to life MH or does Jim Steed have a bigger role in
this whole thing mhm the other witness was Ronnie Godwin who stated that he had observed two police officers beat up two
boys at the grocery store the night Kevin and Don were killed Ronnie it was like a convenience store Ronnie Godwin
gave his statement to the police and we should be very clear about this he gave this statement to police during the time
of the investigation now Linda IES she's the mother of Kevin IES and Jean Duffy who is a former Saline County prosecutor
and I I want to put quotation marks up here she's one of the good ones um Jean Duffy interviewed Godwin 11 years after
the murders and Godwin's statements were identical to the statements that he had
given to the police at the time of the investigation also included in the state police report were
these interviews with Godwin's mother sister and girlfriend in which they all reported to have said that when Ronnie
drinks he tells lies but we need to keep in mind that when Godwin was interviewed
by the state police in 1988 he had get he had been in jail for a couple weeks before giving the statement so he was he
would have been sober at this time now Linda and Jean also contacted Ronnie's mother to discuss her statements to the
state police about Ronnie she told them that she had never been interviewed by the state police she also was certain
that neither Godwin's sister or girlfriend had been interviewed by the state police either so if this is true
then the state police had manufactured interviews of witnesses to discredit Ronnie Godwin well yeah I think it was
this I think it was this simple uh we don't get we don't have to kill this guy cuz he he's a drunk yeah he's got a bad
reputation we can smear his reputation Prett he's drunk he's a liar this this is not going to go anywhere so we don't
have to we don't have to knock this guy off but the thing we do have to remember
Captain is that Ronnie told almost the same story as Jerry did this lining up with Jerry's story corroborating both
stories Godwin VI right but but but Jerry is one he's Shady he's a dirt bag doesn't pay for his kids and he left
town so now he's already smeared now we got this guy with a drinking problem just because you have a drinking problem
doesn't mean you're a liar MH now Godwin stated that he did not tell anyone what
he had witnessed that night until he reported it to police mhm um he also believes that the two officers that
killed the boys that night that they saw him as he passed by the store and probably recognized his car another
state police interview States Richard Garrett remember this is Dan Harmon's sidekick rushed over to interview Godwin
a second time right it would seem that officials were taking Godwin's statement seriously uh as it turns out they were
only serious about discrediting Godwin right following the interviews with Godwin there was no attempt to identify
the cops that Godwin had saw no photos of local officers or unmarked cars were shown to him no check of officers in the
area that night who would fit the description there was no check for traces of blood or other evidence in the
back of any of the unmarked cars nothing just discrediting Godwin statements by fabricating interviews with his mother
sister and girlfriend stating that when Ronnie drinks Ronnie lies mhm the only true effort to identify Jerry was the
state police St stating that Jerry and Ronnie Godwin were one and the same right so was shady Jerry actually Godwin
well Godwin was shown the state police interview with Mike Crook and he simply states that he and crook knew each other
crook at the time was married to Godwin's cousin and so Godwin presented his story to police so there's no reason
for crook to call Godwin Jerry uh when he knew him furthermore Godwin has never been jailed for back child support in
fact Godwin has always had custody of his only child mhm crook also confirmed that Jerry and Ronnie Godwin were not
the same person they don't come out and say who Shady Jerry is they just said oh
well he was in jail and then he disappeared and we don't know what happened to him and now we got this
other guy Godwin and Godwin is just a drunk right so that takes care of two ey Witnesses mhm but see here's where
things start to get a little scary here Captain both Jerry and Godwin they describe three boys driving up to the
grocery store on a motorcycle M Don Henry two yes Kevin Ives and who's the third one well we have we have they
State the two boys get off of the motorcycle and around that same time officers Campbell and Lane arrive the
boy on the motorcycle takes off now this has to be Keith Cony m a young man who told his mother he knew some stuff about
the night the boys were murdered right a young man who told his father he had seen Kevin and Dawn the night that they
were killed and he believed the two were killed by two police officers all three
of these stories align with one another three people that do not know each other
and the same story is told independently of each other now Keith also had said that he was afraid for his life because
he knew too much about Kevin's and Don's murders now Cony was killed in 19 1988 in a motorcycle crash this was 9 months
after Kevin and Don were murdered the official report was that con had run his motorcycle into the back of a semi-truck
traveling at a high rate of speed now Keith Cony was one of the last people to be seen with Kevin and da alive Keith
had been called to testify he was subpoenaed by Dan Harmon to testify in front of the grand jury now there are
many people that say that his death had not been a highway accident that these Witnesses had said that Keith was
attempting to escape an attack that he had jumped on his bike and tried to flee at a high rate of speed and he was
actually being chased by a vehicle when he swerved into the back of the truck Witnesses saw Keith's body they reported
that his throat had been slashed and he had several wounds that the witnesses did not believe would have been caused
by a vehicle accident right so another case where we have and who was the medical examiner on that uh FY Malik
right so fi again is going ah well look this is just suggest death by motorcycle
well I I don't even know how fi talks he he sounds stupid anyways he probably said look this is just a simple death
it's a motorcycle accident and that's all that happens it's not a motorcycle accident if your throat is slashed mhm
yeah if you're escaping an attack you're being chased buy a vehicle at a high rate of speed right that's called Murder
mhm there was also reason to believe that Keith was selling drugs and was involved with some of the local dealers
um so he might have known some of these people at play here right but I think this is part of the story that I don't
really like and we can get into this later when we talk about our own theories M but this whole thing about
you know Don Henry and and Kevin eyes they were they're going out there and they're going to steal these drugs right
from some drug lords right and that oh by the way the the the guy that ended up dead on the motorcycle oh he sold drugs
too I think it's an easy way to tarnish you know and not saying that these kids maybe didn't smoke pot maybe drank a
little bit um maybe even sold it from time to time MH but I don't think there were known drug dealers and I'm not
trying to tarnish Keith's name or Kevin or Dawn's names either better um I with with Keith I just simply bring it up
because because he may have known some of the stuff that was going on if if in fact he was uh selling drugs for
somebody he may have known these people that were out that night it it wouldn't just be that oh it was two police
officers oh it was uh this group of guys and I don't know who they are uh I'm just bringing up that he may have had
some connection with these people well no and then the other thing about it is after Cony leaves on his motorcycle he
actually went to uh the Wagon Wheel yes which was the bar and he told and that's
when he told Keith mcal yeah old mcal so you know there is some validity CU you know there is those rumors that mcll was
selling drugs or part of the drug running so then why would Keith go talk to him right if he didn't know know him
if he did know him he'd probably know him through but this is also a weird time because this is 1987 right okay and
and when I graduated High School 99 and you remember this cuz and our band would play yes I was alive and
around in '99 well we had the you know the metal band that we played in and would' play gigs and we'd have parties
and stuff to kind of like promote the shows and stuff like that just kind of typical things but we'd normally have
mostly high school kids but there would always be like a group of college age kids yeah or even late 20 some yeah and
nowadays like you could not pay me to go hang out with high school kids yeah I I wonder I
always I didn't Wonder back then but once I got to be 28 29 I wondered what those 28 29 year olds were even doing
hanging out I think you got to be a pretty big loser is what I think is going on that you got to hang out with
these young people which makes it a little more odd that con would go talk to mcal so hold on to your seats cuz
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cheers mates we have to introduce a man by the name of Gregory Collins now it is
believed that Collins had information on the the Kevin Ives and Don Henry deaths
in January of 1989 Gregory Collins died from three shotgun blasts fired at a close range
now one shot hit Collins in the face his body was discovered in a Pine Forest in
a County south of saline Collins had been called to testify to the grand jury but he had never appeared now newspaper
reports that Garrett and Harmon questioned him privately about the train death case right question him or
threaten him I guess depends on how you look at it the strange thing here though
Captain is you know little is known about what he may have known about this case he he may have known something
because apparently he was interviewed or like you said possibly threatened by Garrett and Harmon in private um but he
he is shot three times with a shotgun now we have a little more FY Malik Shenanigans going on here because this
is one that FY Malik would rule a suicide so if you believe the medical examiner Mr Mal okay just say it slowly
for me say say this stupidity slowly for me okay so if you are to believe the medical examiner F FY Malik MH then you
would have to believe that Gregory Collins drove out to a remote place went into the forest with a shotgun
and managed to shoot himself three times and one of those shots being to the face
where presumably that's the shot that killed him um it's not impossible that somebody could shoot themselves three
times uh but I find it highly unlikely with a shotgun with a shotgun it would be very it would be extremely hard to do
to shoot oneself three times with the shotgun you know that's just FY being FY you know that's just FY being FY yeah
that's just fi doing whatever the hell he wants uh yeah or what he's paid to do by others you're exactly right but
that's the other thing too is like I'm not saying that he's a dumbass he might not actually be a dumbass but when you
have higher ups that are right one right in your check and you got people you got
eyewitnesses dying around you what what the hell are you going to do here's the other thing though Captain too we talked
about remember FY Malik got a nice he got a handsome uh promote well not a promotion but he got a raise well yeah
and I said I think 43% but it a 41% raise which was announced to be what like $114,000 was the actual the the money
amount there was 14,000 so if that's a 40 let's just say it's a$ 40% raise so that means he's making and I'm going to
show my dumb math here but that would mean he's making in the ballpark of what 4 to $45,000 a year before that raise
give or take yeah so now he's making under 60 mhm uh I would think that people that are
importing pounds of cocaine and moving them would have the means of buying Mr Malik off pretty cheap probably if the
guy's only making 60 Grand a year it probably doesn't take a whole boatload of money to get him to say you know what
not only do we need you to say that this was either an accident or a suicide but
you're the medical examiner nobody else is going to follow up on this whatever you rule this is probably what it's
going to sit as forever right right but they but they did follow up on many cases if you know you know I mean like
people eventually started going hey there's something wrong and that's what frustrates me about this whole case yeah
is not only did uh you know families came forward and said hey something's not right and then the powers that be
going all the way up to Bill Clinton which was this Governor at the time he wasn't president at the time but goes
all the way up to that jack wagon right and he comes back and says Hey look it's
none of my business I think he's doing pretty good job yeah he's doing a great job [ __ ] you
Bill okay all right calm down there Captain well this is just you know it's ridiculous I mean three shot you know
three shotgun shots to the face well one to the face right two to the chest right
but you're going to shoot yourself twice in the chest and then one in the face well let's keep in mind shotgun is a
pretty powerful shot too that'd be really hard to do anyways yes I mean The Recoil alone would probably mess up your
hand on some level or I would argue that nobody would that very few people would
even have the strength remaining after one shot to fire an additional two shots I mean this this is just asinine really
next we have Daniel Bearden uh who went by the name of boony um boony was from Alexander Arkansas mhm uh about 6 weeks
after they discovered Gregory Collins body in the forest uh police began searching a another remote area for the
body of this Boon guy um and he had he was another person that was asked to testify to the grand jury it's probably
suicide well he he was actually missing for about eight months at the time that they started searching for him so they
were in no hurry to go looking for him right um police they went out there because they received information that
he was buried near the Arkansas River they went out there and they searched and they found nothing um so this guy is
is unaccounted for suspected to have been killed and buried somewhere um now a person by the name of woodro May
testified that he woodro was the middleman in a local drug trade uh but he also stated that three other people
had similar arrangements with the guy that he was getting his drugs from and in this statement he also says that two
of these people Harmon knew personally and may have had some kind of arrangement with them the reason why I
bring up woodro is because in that same statement woodro stated that boony was one of his
distributors so again we're seeing the drug trade the drug trafficking going on wrapped around this whole case right and
this also brings us to eyewitness James Millum yeah we talked about Millum a little bit earlier but didn't identify
him by name um he had information regarding the IES and Henry deaths as well he was scheduled he was you know
they had a long list of people that they were going to talk to with the grand jury he was on that list uh he didn't
get the opportunity to do so though remember he was the guy that was found decapitated but FY Malik had ruled that
it was a um it was natural causes that he had died from an from an ulcer yeah yeah yeah which apparently that that you
have an alcer your head pops off that's that's according to FY mik that's what happened and um and we here's the crazy
thing he's decapitated and FY Malik claims that the dog ate the head right ate the head of the of of his owner now
the thing here is his whole story got all screwed up when do we know what kind of of dog that is um I'm not was
probably a very small one I'm I'm in the market to buy a dog and I'm not buying that kind of dog okay so that's what FY
Malik says cuz when I die from a ulcer in your head pops off I do not want my dog eating my head okay but listen to
this Captain Malik says that the dog ate the head right mhm okay then there's a big problem with his finding because the
police shortly after Mal gives this ruling they find the head right they find the head and then Malik's like well
that's because the dog regurgitated it that he threw up he ate the head and then he puked it puked it up right the
more and more we cover this story the more I just think that he has paid or knows that if you don't
cooperate you're going to die of a ulcer and your head's going to pop off as well
I I look I don't think it's stupidity I don't think I don't think any doctor is that dumb I think I really the more we
talk about it the more I think that his hands were tied and he knew if he didn't
follow you know the powers that be that he's going to end up worm food I think you might be on to something there you
he he could have been afraid he could have been being paid under the table by some of these people or could have been
a combination of both which is probably what is most likely um the thing here is
though you know while we're on FY Malik story here that he started off as an assistant to the medical examiner and
very quickly the medical examiner retired and he basically assumed the role of medical examiner well and I
wonder how long that guy worked for and and was he was he supposed to retire or was he just somebody that was not going
to work within their system he was made to retire you see what I'm saying that's
a good question we we don't know that but what we do know is that what was discovered after FY Malik had been the
medical examiner for like seven it was either Seven to n years somewhere in that ballpark MH they realized because
of some of these cases that Malik actually did not have the qualifications to be a medical examiner he only had the
qualifications to be an assistant so they realized this he wasn't even qualified for that probably right and
they realized this after he's been running the show for almost 10 years yeah but it's not you know Bill Clinton
can't do nothing about it well listen to this whole story they they the governor's office the there here's their
statement they say that it's not their problem because there's supposed to be a medical
examiner commission this is a group of people that review and decide who is qualified for this position and who is
not so when famy Malik took over the position they should have reviewed his qualifications reev reviewed him as a
candidate and either accepted him or turned him down for the role the problem is when people started going back in in
interviewing this medical examiner commission that supposedly existed well the people that were
supposed to be on the commission said yeah I was on that commission at one point but we haven't met for like 10 or
12 years we've not met about anything for 10 or 12 years I didn't know I was supposed to still be on that commission
well then the governor's office then says well because this commission didn't do their job there's nothing that we can
do about it we cannot remove we we can't remove we can't remove him now and at some point after it was discovered he
wasn't qualified he did seek out whatever training or knowledge he needed or you know to to become qualified for
the position eventually right well because he just got one a a 41% raise and then he's getting probably Kickbacks
MH and look again there's the fear element when your Governor is helping other people run
drugs then and and and some boys stumble upon that 16 and 17y old boy stumbles upon that and they are murdered and they
put their bodies on tracks to be ran over by trains you might fall in line too you know what I mean you might do
what they tell you to do well when the officials of Arkansas were asked why would you give famy Malik a a pay raise
a when we have people in the community wait hold on because we're selling drugs people that's what they should have said
Bill Clinton should have said hey we're selling drugs and we need somebody to cover our ass and and that's why we gave
him a pay raise but the thing here is we they had people they had families they had people in the community basically
picking and calling for FY Malik's Job saying fire this dude we don't trust this guy we can't feel safe living here
if this is what's going to be happening and basically the officials said that you know because they were asked why the
hell would you give this guy a pay raise when all these people were calling for his job right and and they they stated
go ahead well and it's not just the family and the IES family that aren't getting answers it's all these victims
and it's then multiply it by all their family and friends and those are the people paying your salary but at the end
of the day you think Bill Clinton gives a [ __ ] do you think anybody in power that's
getting paid a bunch of money actually gives a [ __ ] you know if they're running
drugs if they're willing to kill a 16 and 17year old person do you think they actually give a [ __ ] and for all the
people right now that are listening going well this is just a conspiracy this ain't conspiracy this is a fact
we're stating facts mhm this is not conspiracy but but the funny thing is here these these officials talk out of
both sides of their mouths because what happens here is when when he's first awarded the pay raise they they stay
they say that you know what FY Malik is a victim in this whole circumstance and that he deserves to be you know treated
with respect and and to show him such we gave him a pay raise well then when they
come back and they ask them later there's all these people in the community saying he should be fired how
can you give him a pay raise then they State well he's due to retire soon so we applied that pay raise to him not for
him personally but as a position we were upgrading the pay to that position so that when he does retire we could
recruit a more you know suitable candidate for this position well you know how they always have answers don't
they well right because when you're high on cocaine you come up with a million answers all at once well let's keep
going with this list here Captain because it just keeps growing and growing next on the list is Richard
Winters uh who was actually at one point he was he was considered to be a possible suspect in the deaths of Kevin
Ives and Don Henry um he had he had he had offered to cooperate with the grand jury and with Garrett and Harmon at some
point um but again before he could do so okay he ends up being killed by a shotgun
blast to the face um but this was during a robbery in July of 1989 now it's it's not been proven um
but but it's it's widely believed that the robbery was was not so much a robbery that it was more of a setup
right we're stage robbery we're gonna have this robbery situation and one guy's going to end up dead and it and
conveniently it's somebody that's offering to cooperate with the grand jury and and maybe divulge what he may
know about the deaths of these two teenagers mhm I think it's pretty obvious by now that everybody that we
bring up on this list is going to end up dead at some point I told you this episode should be called Murder yeah
well the thing here is one of the one of the stranger ones to me is Keith mcal yeah now shortly before Keith M mcal was
murdered I have nightmares about this yeah he he told people that he believed he was going to be murdered he he was
telling his family members goodbye he was making funeral arrangements he was telling his friends goodbye um he was
also telling his friends and family that like he was being followed yeah uh by by
the two police officers that we had mentioned earlier that were Lane and Campbell that were supposed to be
involved in the deaths of the two teenagers he was also pointing out vehicles to friends and stating you know
what I know that car has been following me for quite some time um the thing here
is that the a big problem with this story is remember we talked about Sheriff Jim Steed well there was an
election coming up in 1988 and it was for the the office of of sheriff now the thing is here that
mcal on the night of the sheriff's election in 1988 he was out with a bunch of people and he made a big announcement
at this bar and he held up two pennies he pulled two pennies out of his pocket threw them at the bar yeah and he stated
he said if Jim Ste loses this election my life isn't worth two cents and believe it or not shortly after that he
was killed okay so did he lose the election yeah Jim Ste lost the election that night and within 48 Hours uh Keith mcal
was murdered but how he was murdered is what creeps me out mhm yeah so a quick description here which I think is very
fitting for Keith mccal which is necessary I mean uh he managed a place called The we The Wagon Wheel Lounge uh
and he was considered to be a big dude he was 6'2 uh he weighed about uh 200 lb or so
um he was a bit of a legend for breaking up barroom fights several people told stories of him breaking up fights that
involved weapons sometimes even knives and he would without a weapon go into this fight and break it up cuz he was a
bad ombre yeah and but but Masco might have been a bit of a weird dude though because he was he was a known drug user
he was suspected of selling drugs he had a lot of friends in low places but he had a lot of police friends as well this
guy is just all sorts of bad country songs he works at the Wagon Wheel he has Friends in Low Places yeah and but but
the the funny thing here though to me Captain is we talk about all these misdoings by these
public officials and by uh police officers and Sheriff's you know deputies and things like that right and you know
to call somebody a weird dude saying that he's got a lot of friends that are in low places but he also has a lot of
friends that are police as well I don't think it's that weird in this situation because it seems to me like some of the
police were in Pretty Low Places themselves right right that's exactly right now Dan Harmon told Linda IES and
others that mcal was acting as an formant in the murder case agreeing to pass along any information that he had
heard in the nightclub but more importantly you know according to Charlene Wilson statement mcal was at
the tracks the night that the boys were killed right and it is also believed that Keith Cooney went on to to find
mascal and tell him what he had saw at the tracks or what he had saw near the grocery store that night with the police
officers beating up his friends so on November 10th 1988 this like we said this is just 2 days after the sheriff's
election this takes place around 1:30 a.m. a neighbor of Keith mcals said that he had heard some loud groaning noises
coming from Mas casal's home uh this woke him up in the middle of the night he go he goes to the window and he's
looking around and he sees nothing but what he says is that it sounded as if someone had drank way too much and was
vomiting right uh the following morning a lady friend of mcal came to his home and discovered his body so what happened
how did he die well Mas casal's body was wrapped in a flower patterned shower curtain and he was lying in the carport
area of his home this is near a door that was going to his kitchen he's covered in blood uh his house inside the
home completely covered in blood as well um there had been an obvious fight that
lasted probably quite some time that had left blood everywhere mascal had been stabbed over a 100 times Jesus um the
stab that most likely killed him was there was one to the heart uh all of the stab wounds were above the waist showing
that masle had defended himself and probably doing it quite well uh making the fight last a lot longer than maybe
his attackers would have thought it would have uh a lot of the slashes and stabs were to the arms and the hands
showing that Not only was he defending himself but he was going after the knife that was stabbing him well it sounds
like he had an ulcer yeah this is this is probably natural causes or at the very least an accidental death right
according to FY mik no of course it was ruled a murder um but but here's where it gets weird well actually not of
course in this case that's true it's like not of course yeah you're right you you have to be like ex you know happy
yeah you're like oh finally um well now we we should talk about Ronald Shane Smith Ronald Shane Smith was a neighbor
of mcals right now what had happened was when the police after after the the friend the female friend found M casal's
body she calls it in the police are there investigating whatever's going on and Ronald's father goes across the
street and he says you know what I think you should talk to my son because I think he knows something about what has
happened here right so they talk to the son uh now now Ronald Shane Smith is 19 years old at the time and he's
he's considered slow at school he's mentally handicap not my words these are other people's words um the thing here
is he tells them that he was over at Mas casal's place and that he he had gone there to purchase I believe he purchased
a silver tray and some pornographic uh videotapes from mcal the tray was going to be a gift for his mother the tapes
were something for himself right and uh he had owed masal money so he went over there to pay him some of the money that
he owed him and while they were there he said that Masco was acting strange he was looking out the window stating that
people were following him and he's been calling this for weeks yeah and he says then at some point three men they they
pull up in a vehicle they bust through the door yeah but what were these guys wearing they were there were three men
wearing clown mask F no no so that's what that's what they were wearing but could you
imagine well we do have Stephen King's It coming out very soon yes but what I'm saying is if three dudes in clown Mass
showed up to my house oh that' be yeah you're hoping that it's one of your friends are acting nuts I mean I'd be
scared but at the same time I'd be thinking I'm going to kick one of these dudes in the dick well uh according to
Ronald Shane Smith two of the guys had knives and one of them had a gun and the the guy guy with the gun the clown with
the gun comes up to Ronald and he forces him into a chair holding him at gunpoint
mhm a fight breaks out between mcal and the other two guys that are holding knives at some point during the fight
the the gunman takes Ronald outside and he says that during this time he could hear mcal in the home
being killed uh you would think they would just shoot him and then would you know
with the when the struggle happened you'd think that the guy with the gun would have just shot him and just took
off yeah well here's the thing here's what really that was my whole thing I was like why the hell wouldn't they just
shoot this witness right MH but then I also got to thinking about well if mcal was killed but in a a situation where it
was a hit where it was a planned murder mhm well why would why would you bother fighting with mascal anyway because if
you just you I wouldn't want to fight with mascal it sounds like he could handle himself and and many others at
the same time right he was a ballroom brawler man and the thing is they obviously wanted to keep this quiet you
can't just show up you can't just show up to someone's home in a neighborhood and guns blasting everywhere and go
unnoticed silence sir the the thing here is you know so what they did according to Ronald Smith is that they gave him
the knife and they told him that if he didn't stab uh mascal they were going to shoot him and so he stabs
mcal and they take a picture a Polaroid picture of him at that time and they tell him that they're going to keep this
for evidence if you ever come after us if if we if you tell on us mhm we're going to frame you for this murder and
again his IQ was something around 80 so this is a lot of stuff and a lot of details to come up with out of nowhere
it it is uh the story doesn't end there uh we'll get it back to that but the I didn't really want to I didn't really
want to report on what his supposed IQ was because I've seen some varying you know we we noticed this with West
Memphis 3 and several other cases that we've covered that the IQ seems to be something that people argue you know
people that would be for some kind of conspiracy they're going to lower his IQ when they tell the story and people that
think that Ronald Smith is guilty they're going to raise that IQ the other thing that's been in question I've seen
different reports of how of the size of this 19-year-old boy because there's been a lot of people that said well you
know he was only 58 148 pounds there's no way that he could have taken down Keith mccal who
was 6'2 over 200 lb barroom brawler MH uh but you don't bring a fist to a knife fight but I've also seen reports that
have uh Ronald Smith being as tall as 5'1 and 180b which is not a big discrepancy between the two men exactly
exactly but his story does change uh uh upon further questioning um the story changes to that it was not three men in
clown mask it was five men that were dressed head to toe in Black uh that they came in but but there's a lot of
similarities they came in they busted through the door they took over the situation they controlled Ronald Smith
and and they attacked Keith mcal um they did find they they found blood everywhere in that home this fight
lasted for quite some time and he believed Ronald Smith reported that he believed that the men that the attack
took somewhere between 30 and 40 minutes to take place the strange thing here though too is Jim Ste you remember the
uh the the outgoing Sheriff who lost the election well he had hired mcal to take
aerial photos of the of the tracks of of the area where the boys were were killed
um we don't know I don't know if he ever successfully carried out those photographs now he did have a briefcase
in his home that had blood all over it and it was opened and and it wasn't full you know it wasn't stuffed to the brim
with with with items so some people would believe that something was stolen from that briefcase um it could have
been aial photos it could have been it could have been drugs there was also rumors that mcal was making audio tapes
of what he knew about the murders and what he and who he knew was involved that way if something did happen to him
that maybe police or maybe one of the actual good guys would find one of these cassette tapes yeah if there was a good
guy left yeah it's it's getting hard to find any good people left now the police
they did go and they found some of these some items in Ron Smith's possession um
out behind his home they had found the silver tray that he had talked about purchasing some videotapes and they
found some bloody clothes now in Ron Smith's story though he says remember he says that he was told to to stab uh
mascal as mcll was already dead uh but he was also he also said that he had fallen on the body at some point and got
blood all over himself right um it's difficult here Captain because you could make a strong argument either way in
this case to me but when I keep seeing name after name of people that are being called to the grand jury and they keep
dying um it it seems to me like M casal's murder is probably not a one-off committed by this Ron Smith it's
probably connected to this whole boys on the track situation um now Ron Ronald Smith ends up being convicted of the
murder of Keith mcal which mik G feeling says that is another tragic point of the
story MH yeah and next we have Jeff rhods now Jeff rhods was the young man from Benton Arkansas who was he ended up
being murdered in 1989 but shortly before his death he made a phone call to his father in Texas stating that he
needed to get out of Arkansas and that he felt that he knew way too much about the boys on the railroad tracks and the
death of Keith mcal uh a couple weeks after this phone call that's when Jeff is found dead uh
he had been shot in the head and he was they had attempted whoever killed him attempted to cut off his head and hands
and feet um they were unsuccessful with the hands and feet uh and they had also set him on fire now they found his body
in a landfill these are just Savage people yeah the thing is though we have Jeff
rhods he's he's missing for just a week right but but shortly after he's reported missing his father reaches out
to the Sheriff's investigators and states that you know he called me a week ago asking if I could find him a job
here in Texas because he needed to leave Arkansas and this is why he needed to leave Arkansas and he said there was
never any followup even after they had found his body they didn't reach back out to him to further inquire what Jeff
rhods could have been talking about and somehow they link the death of Jeff rhs to this guy named Frank peler uh he's
ultimately arrested and charged with murder he's convicted and sentenced to life now we we got to keep in mind here
because of what took place in 1987 Dan Harmon he's he's a quote unquote special prosecutor he's assigned
this role he's well he's certainly special right but he's not technically he's not an elected prosecutor uh he's
assigned this role in the in the the specific case of Don Henry and Kevin Ives Now by
1990 he is the elected prosecutor and so now he has all this additional power so
some of these cases that we're seeing coming about where the murder would take place in in
1989 some of these people were probably convicted and and prosecuted by Dan Harmon well he had a lot of cover up to
do and that leads us to Jordan ketts now Jordan ketton he was believed to have had information regarding Kevin Ives and
Don Henry's deaths um he was also believed that he might have been a part of mol's murder now he was found shot to
death in his front in the front seat of his pickup truck in June of 1990 now there was no police
investigation regarding his H homicide his body was cremated before an autopsy could be performed why I have no clue
well because the autopsies were so bad anyways so you know hey let's just not even get old FY
involved is probably an ulcer anyways and and I don't have definitive information about this but it could be a
situation where the police ruled it a suicide you know he's found shot in in his vehicle right um but again we've
talked about this time and time again anytime you have a death that is as a result of unnatural causes you know an
autopsy is supposed to be performed in this situation and and it wasn't the body was cremated before it could be
performed well right not if you're trying to cover up and cover your ass you know we don't need autopsies so
obviously this is so obvious right here Captain we we have obvious we have all these Witnesses we have all these people
that are supposed to be called to the grand jury people that have been reported to have had private meetings
private questioning situations with Richard Garrett and Dan Harmon and we see person after person you know getting
killed people person after person dying in these mysterious deaths somewhere we have people getting convicted somewhere
we have no explanation why they died at all I mean we had we had Jerry who we don't know who he is he and if we
believe that story he moved out of the area because he was told to get the hell out of Dodge right or he was killed and
never found and and one they refused to identify him you had stated earlier and you're exactly right it would have been
so easy for Sheriff Jim Ste to come forward and say well this is who Jerry was I know who he is because we locked
him up for 90 days but nobody says that and then we have Ronnie Goodwin now Ronnie Godwin I'm sorry he's one of the
lucky ones he's still alive today but but police refuse to believe his story more to the point where they say that he
is Jerry when they know damn well he's not Jerry right he's just a drunk can't believe him we have Keith Cooney who was
probably you know witnessed too much stuff that night he probably gave Kevin and Don a ride on the back of his
motorcycle he may have seen something go down at the tracks earlier and his death
is ruled a motorcycle accident we have Keith right with a slit throat yeah we have Keith mccal who is murdered in his
own home he's stabbed over 100 times we have the strange stories with the clown mask and the men dressed from head to
toe in Black right and we we have who could be another innocent person who is convicted of his murder right we have
Greg Collins shotgun blast to the face and it's ruled a suicide yeah three shots with a shotgun he killed himself
we have Jeff rhs shotgun blast to the face his body is burned he's found in the landfill and we have this pelure guy
that is arrested and convicted for his murder and we we got rhs telling people that not only did he know about the
boy's deaths in advance before he killed he's telling them that he knows about M
casal's death as well right we have Richard Winters who who dies in the robbery we have Jordan ketton uh shot to
death in in the front seat of his pickup truck and there's no explanation for how
he died we're not given a ruling on how he died no autopsy performed we have James Millum who had an ulcer in his
head popped off it you know that's just FY Malik straight out creating something
here just just making something up we have that boony Bearden who vanished and we've never seen him he's believed to be
murdered they've never located his body what did he know yeah and if this isn't if this isn't enough evidence of a huge
conspiracy to cover up these boys's death uh I don't know what to tell you yeah they're covering
up the deaths of these two boys and then they're killing more people to cover up
the deaths that they have to commit to cover up the the original two right and it all comes down to the fact that they
have these drugs they have to keep running the drugs they want to keep having the money from the drugs and that
they're they have higher ups I think that are involved in this drug smuggling and this drug running and it's it's the
crime of greed you know the murder for greed just makes absolutely no sense to me well and I know we probably got some
loyal garage army people out there going this this this is huge Nick and Captain
why haven't we heard of this before well contact somebody that lives in Arkansas
because these people have been talking about this case for 30 years right uh this is no secret to the people that
live in Arkansas and live in this area and if alarm Bells aren't going off in your head ask yourself this okay we've
we've mentioned over what we've mentioned 10 or a dozen murders here right and there's probably a few that we
don't know about because we're not in Arkansas and it's hard to find information about people that died in 87
88 89 from that time period but ask yourself this why do we have an an area a remote area of a state where only
about 5,000 people are reported to have been living there in the late ' 80s and we got all of these mysterious deaths
going on in a short period of time M it it there's something going on in Arkansas well and how many people are
going to talk about this if you know clowns are showing up to people's houses and stabbing them a 100 times MH if
clown shows up to my house one I'm kicking it in the I'm kicking in the goddamn dick okay first of all second of
all I hope that we put out a show next week because if somebody finds me somewhere and my head popped off it
wasn't a godamn ulcer your stomach's fine I I'm I will vouch for you your your stomach is fine you're solid in
that area we got we we have a lot to uh cover in the next case and I think I it's a shame that this case hasn't
been talked about and I see this all the time when when and the the thing that drives me absolutely insane is the word
conspiracy when there are truths there MH and when they start talking about these child sex trafficking rings that
maybe some people in the government are involved in and there's some actually there's some validity to the story and
it just kind of goes nowhere to me that is powerful people and rich people being
able to protect themselves in a way that the normal person or the normal citizen
of the United States of America cannot do yeah and I think um how much was like Bill Clinton
involved in this I don't know but he knew certain things about it and again I don't want to become political because
I'm neither left or right I'm normally always wrong so you're usually wrong but well my point
is is I I don't like Rich Pricks and I don't like Rich Pricks using people for you know gains and I don't like I don't
like people of power getting away with horeshit well we will try tomorrow to sum this up put a nice bow on it and
open your eyes to some other going on uh that was taking place in in Arkansas as
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By all accounts, the engineer did a masterful job of bringing his train to a stop. It had taken a screaming, screeching half mile. By the time the engine shuddered to a standstill, Conductor Jerry Tomlin was on the radio notifying an approaching train on a parallel track to stop because some boys had been run over. He also called the dispatcher. "Have you got injuries?" The dispatcher asked. "No," Tomlin said. "We've got death." -From "The Boys on the Tracks" by Mara LeverittTonight we discuss the case that many wanted to keep quiet. Two teenagers are run over by a train in the middle of the night. Was it an accident, a double suicide or a double murder? Join us in the garage for the tragic story of the boys on the tracks.

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Brief Summary

The episode examines the suspicious deaths of two boys and the corrupt officials involved in their case in Arkansas.

Key points

Mysterious Deaths Ruled Accidental. The deaths of two boys were ruled accidental, but evidence suggests otherwise.
Corruption in High Places. Corrupt officials protected each other while the truth about the boys' deaths was buried.
Confessions Ignored. A witness's confession about the murders was buried in the crime file for years.
Eyewitness Accounts. Multiple witnesses place police officers at the scene of the boys' deaths.
Keith Cony's Mysterious Death. Keith Cony was one of the last to see Kevin and Don alive, but his death raises questions.
Gregory Collins' Fatal Encounter. Gregory Collins, who had information on the Ives and Henry deaths, was shot three times.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

The facts didn't add up to what he was telling us.

Frustration with the investigation

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Tension

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