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true crime Clinton had integrated a number of corrupt cops judges and politicians into
highlevel positions to ensure the continued success of the drug smuggling money laundering operations all was
going well until a fateful night in the fall of 1987 on August 22nd 1987 Kevin had spent
the night with his friend Don Henry they left uh Don's home around 12:30 or quarter till 1 uh on the 23rd of August
in early morning hours and uh the next thing we knew they had been run over by a train there seems to be a small air
strip in the area there have been sidings and uh reports of small airplanes flying very low with lights
off in the area I believe they saw something they shouldn't have seen 3 weeks later their deaths were ruled
accidental by the state medical examiner fam Malik and um we disagreed with that
ruling uh because we thought the evidence pointed to homicide uh at that point we had a lot
of questions and no answers uh and the facts didn't add up to what he was telling us so we decided
to get a second opinion and uh met with resistance from all fronts both with our local law
enforcement with State Crime Lab uh with everybody that we turned to um we obtained court orders
uh requesting samples of everything that the crime lab had for a second opinion and uh fam
Malik um uh resisted court orders uh he refused to obey them ultimately was proven that Don Henry had been stabbed
in the back and Kevin I's skull had been crushed prior to the placement of their
bodies on the railroad tracks however Malik stood by his ruling that the boys had simply fallen asleep on the tracks
Malik had been kept in office at the insistence of Governor Clinton for a number of years despite vigorous public
outcry to have him removed as long as Malik's rulings pleased the governor's office or State Police they were left to
stand no matter how implausible Malik's obvious lack of medical knowledge reached a pinnacle
when he ruled that James milm who had been decapitated had died of natural causes yet Clinton who had the power to
remove Malik from Office insisted he stay days there were allegations of tampering with evidence in murder
cases uh there were allegations of perjury in different cases it didn't seem to matter what Mallet did Clinton
uh protected him he made excuses such as he's overworked uh he's just stressed out
he's underpaid uh they gave him a $14,000 raise which was an insult uh to my as well as a lot of others in the
state who um to this day are struggling with asinine rulings and the deaths of children and other loved ones I was
outraged that protecting a political crony of Clinton's was more important than the fact that two young boys had
been murdered Dan Harmon was just a local attorney in in the town of Benton Arkansas and uh after Don Henry and
Kevin IES were killed and their body place on the tracks and run over by train he approached Linda IES and the
Henry family about trying to help him he's a manipulator gives a great closing argument in court he's been trained for
years to play the game he knows how to do it he's very good at it Mr Harmon can win your confidence
make you think he's the greatest guy in the world he did that to Linda IES he helped lead him down a
path that absolutely led to Nowhere on this case I got involved in the case and immediately harm and
uh tried to discredit me without even knowing me couldn't figure it out I run across a
young lady named Charlene Wilson who told her a horror story that I didn't really believe at the
time so I started searching for evidence to substantiate just part of what she had said Herman went
ballistic called he threatened me threatened Sheriff pridon threatened Captain Jean Donham the chief
Deputy all because I talked to this one woman the people at the track that night to my knowledge were
Dan Harmon Keith mccal Larry relle on Sunday August 23rd 1987 two teenage boys were run over by a train
traveling through Bryant Arkansas What followed was an investigation by local law enforcement this is the Saline
County County Sheriff's Office who refused to investigate this as a possible homicide they saw no evidence
of Foul Play but they weren't really looking for any uh publicly the Sheriff's Office spoke of the incident
as though it were an accident and to the families of the two teenagers 17-year-old Kevin Ives and 16-year-old
Don Henry they talked as if this were a likely suicide the medical examiner this
is the captain's friend FY Malik ruled the deaths an accident due to marijuana intoxication well he ruled these deaths
at accident due to his stupidity months after the deaths two men present themselves to the families of the boys
this is Richard Garrett and he brings in Dan Harmon who is appointed as a special
prosecutor in this matter working with the grand jury trying to piece together a double murder case and Garrett and
Harmon will help out in this case they do get it overturned from accidental death to a possible murder yes and then
then they start investigating looking for the killer or killers of these two boys last week we took you through the
night the two boys were run over the medical examiner's findings and even though the Sheriff's Office and the
medical examiner both decided this was an accident we showed you a second autopsy which showed significant
evidence that both boys were dead before they were placed on the tracks and that
both boys were murdered in place there so that their bodies and all other evidence would be destroyed and we can
clearly see that Don was stabbed in the back and we also can see that Kevin was he had a skull fracture so somebody and
we have eyewitnesses that saw uh possibly a police officer hitting him with a object in the face mhm probably
the very rifle that the two boys were carrying that night very possible fluids in the body pointed toward a slower
death for both and not a sudden death like that of a being run over by a train and I witness statements regarding the
of blood and the color of the blood proving that the blood itself was not fresh we also talked about witness
statements many of these given to the Arkansas State Police two witnesses placed Dan Harmon at the tracks the
night that the boys died this is why the case is so odd is because you have this
guy this prosecutor that comes forward and says hey you know this lawyer that says hey I can help this family I can
bring some justice oh was an accidental death it was a murder and we're to find this person but then the more you dig
you realize this person that's claiming they're going to help you they're they're the ones that people are saying
it possibly is uh responsible for these murders yes exactly now we do have to introduce a man by the name of Barry
seal Barry seal was a Gunrunner and a drug runner in the 80s uh Barry would arrange for privately owned planes to
fly guns to Colombia and on return flights he was bringing drugs back into into the United States at least one
pilot has come forward who claimed to have many times flown a drug drop at the place where the boys had died some of
the local law enforcement was in charge of securing these drops and just prior to Kevin and Don's deaths a drop at that
location had gone missing so those local law enforcements that that were involved
in this operation well they were on high alert they were waiting for somebody to
try to steal that next drop MH and then that night Kevin Ives and Don Henry happened by let's get to each one of the
eyewitnesses and what happened with them after they came forward with information
well we should start off with the big one and this is Charlene Wilson she had the statement saying that the people at
the tracks that night were Dan Harmon Keith mccal and Larry Rochelle she also said that she believed that the boys
were watching the drop site and that they got curious about what was being dropped there well we know that Charlene
Wilson she ends up in prison yeah and who puts her in prison uh our good friend Dan Harmon right right well we
got to put her in prison so she stops running her mouth right and the thing is the the thing that's crazy about her
confession is that this was a confession that was she gave this confession written confession in her in her own in
her own writing and this is witnessed by three officials three law law enforcement officials and we know that
because their signatures are on her confession well when I normally confess to something I do it in somebody else's
hand writing well she confesses in front of these three people in 1993 and then this confession goes
nowhere none of these law enforcement officials do anything with this confession it's buried in the crime file
right and in the case File and it's not discovered again until 2015 right does it play a little devil's advocate here
though is it a coincidence though that she is put in jail by Dan Harmon you know put away to keep her quiet or is
she coming out later saying oh he was involved in these murders which maybe he was maybe he wasn't we also had several
witnesses who placed two palasi County officers this is Kirk Lane and Jay Campbell as not only being in the area
where the boys were killed but as having been seen and I'll quote one of the witness's statements as beating the [ __ ]
out of the two boys near the grocery store down by the tracks the first man was who we simply just know as Jerry who
was described as a Mexican looking man in a dark blue Camaro right Jerry after telling Mike crook that he had witnessed
the two boys being beat up and thrown into the back of an unmarked police car he went and told this story to sheriff
Jim Steed now pay attention cuz that's a name that's going to come up several times Jim Steed was the Boss Hog at
Saline County he was the sheriff he was running the Sheriff's Office Jim Ste threw Jerry into jail and locked him up
for 90 days for unpaid child support the day that Jerry gets out of jail he tells
Jim crook that he was told to leave town or else and that he was moving to California Jerry did leave town we don't
know exactly where he went uh but he's not been seen again and Jim Crook's story was presented to the Arkansas
State Police several months after the fact and they made what I would argue to be no effort to identify this man that
we only know as Jerry well first of all like I said sketchy Jerry you got to pay
for your kids you know if you have child support pay for your damn kids right mhm
that's one uh two who knows where he went off to H it's it's a little weird it's definitely weird but uh it's weird
too that obviously they have reason to lock him up mhm for the child support so they know his name MH and why they're
you know maybe they're just not releasing to the public for his protection or maybe something Foul Play
happened and they don't want that to be brought to life or does Jim Steed have a
bigger role in this whole thing mhm the other witness was Ronnie Godwin who stated that he had observed two police
officers beat up two boys at the grocery store the night Kevin and Don were killed Ron well it was more like a
convenience store right Ronnie Godwin gave his statement to the police and we should be very clear about this he gave
this statement to police during the time of the investigation now Linda IES she's
the mother of Kevin IES and Jean Duffy who is a former Saline County prosecutor and I I want to put quotation marks up
here she's one of the good ones um Jean Duffy interviewed Godwin 11 years after the murders and Godwin's statements were
identical to the statements that he had given to the police at the time of the investigation also included in the state
police report were these interviews with Godwin's mother sister and girlfriend in which they all
reported to have said that when Ronnie drinks he tells lies but we need to keep in mind that when Godwin was interviewed
by the state police in 1988 he had get he had been in jail for a couple weeks before giving the statement so he was he
would have been sober at this time now Linda and Jean also contacted Ronnie's mother to discuss her statements to the
state police about Ronnie she told them that she had never been interviewed by the state police she also was certain
that neither Godwin's sister or girlfriend had been interviewed by the state police either so if this is true
then the state police had manufactured interviews of witnesses to discredit Ronnie Godwin well yeah I think it was
was this I think it was this simple uh we don't get we don't have to kill this guy cuz he he's a drunk yeah he's got a
bad reputation we can smear his reputation pretty's a drunk he's a liar this this is not going to go anywhere so
we don't have to we don't have to knock this guy off but the thing we do have to
remember Captain is that Ronnie told almost the same story as Jerry did this lining up with Jerry's story
corroborating both stories Godwin VI right but but but Jerry is one he's Shady he's a dirt bag doesn't pay for
his kids and he left town so now he's already smeared now we got this guy with a drinking problem just because you have
a drinking problem doesn't mean you're a liar M now Godwin stated that he did not
tell anyone what he had witnessed that night until he reported it to police mhm um he also believes that the two
officers that killed the boys that night that they saw him as he passed by the store door and probably recognized his
car another state police interview States Richard Garrett remember this is Dan harman's sidekick rushed over to
interview Godwin a second time right it would seem that officials were taking Godwin's statement seriously uh as it
turns out they were only serious about discrediting Godwin right following the interviews with Godwin there was no
attempt to identify the cops that Godwin had saw no photos of local officers or unmarked cars were shown to him no check
of officers in the area that night who would fit the description there was no check for traces of blood or other
evidence in the back of any of the unmarked cars nothing just discrediting Godwin statements by fabricating
interviews with his mother sister and girlfriend stating that when Ronnie drinks Ronnie lies mhm the only true
effort to identify Jerry was the state police St stating that Jerry and Ronnie Godwin were one and the same right so
was shady Jerry actually Godwin well Godwin was shown the state police interview with Mike Crook and he simply
states that he and crook knew each other crook at the time was married to Godwin's cousin and so Godwin presented
his story to police so there's no reason for crook to call Godwin Jerry uh when he knew him furthermore Godwin has never
been jailed for back child support in fact Godwin has always had custody of his only child mhm crook also confirmed
that Jerry and Ronnie Godwin were not the same person they don't come out and say who Shady Jerry is they just said oh
well he was in jail and then he disappeared and we don't know what happened to him and now we got this
other guy Godwin and Godwin is just a drunk right so that takes care of two eyewitnesses MH but see here's where
things start to get a little scary here Captain both Jerry and Godwin they describe three boys driving up to the
grocery store on a motorcycle M Don Henry two yes Kevin Ives and who's the third one well we have we have they
state that two boys get off of the motorcycle and around that same time officers Campbell and Lane arrive the
boy on the motorcycle takes off now this has to be Keith con MH a young man who told his mother he knew some stuff about
the night the boys were murdered right a young man who told his father he had seen Kevin and Dawn the night that they
were killed and he believed the two were killed by two police officers all three
of these stories align with one another three people that do not know each other
and the same story is told independently of each other now Keith also had said that he was afraid for his life because
he knew too much about Kevin's and Don's murders now Cony was killed in 1988 in a
motorcycle crash this was 9 months after Kevin and Don were murdered the official
report was that con had run his motorcycle into the back of a semi traveling at a high rate of speed now
Keith Cony was one of the last people to be seen with Kevin and Dawn alive Keith
had been called to testify he was subpoena by Dan Harmon to testify in front of the grand jury mhm now there
are many people that say that his death had not been a highway accident that these Witnesses had said that Keith was
attempting to escape an attack that he had jumped on his bike and tried to flee at a high rate of speed and he was
actually being chased by a vehicle when he swerved into the back of the truck Witnesses saw Keith's body they reported
that his throat had been slashed and he had several wounds that the witnesses did not believe would have been caused
by a vehicle accident right so another case where we have and who was the medical examiner on that uh FY Malik
right so FY again is going oh well look this is just suggest death by motorcycle
well I I don't even know how Fami talks he he sounds stupid anyways he probably said look this is just a simple death
it's a motorcycle accident and that's all that happens it's not a motorcycle accident if your throat is slashed mhm
yeah if you're escaping an attack you're being chased by a at a high rate of speed right that's
called Murder mhm there was also reason to believe that Keith was selling drugs and was involved with some of the local
dealers um so he might have known some of these people at play here right but I think this is part of the story that I
don't really like and we can get into this later when we talk about our own theories M but this whole thing about
you know Don Henry and and Kevin eyes they were they're going out there and they're going to steal these drugs right
from some drug lords right and that oh by the way the the the guy that ended up dead on the motorcycle oh he sold drugs
too mhm I think it's an easy way to tarnish you know and not saying that these kids maybe didn't smoke pot maybe
drank a little bit um maybe even sold it from time to time MH but I don't think there were known drug dealers and I'm
not trying to tarnish Keith's name or Kevin or Dawn's names either um I with with Keith I just simply bring it up
because because he may have known some of the stuff that was going on if if in fact he
was uh selling drugs for somebody he may have known these people that were out that night it it wouldn't just be that
oh it it was two police officers oh it was uh this group of guys and I don't know who they are uh I'm just bringing
up that he may have had some connection with these people well no and then the other thing about it is after Cony
leaves on his motorcycle he actually went to uh the Wagon Wheel yes which was the bar and he told and that's when he
told Keith mcal yeah old mcal so you know there is some validity cuz you know there is those rumors that mascal was
selling drugs or part of the drug running so then why would Keith go talk to him right if he didn't know know him
if he did know him he'd probably know him through but this is also a weird time because this is 1987 right okay and
and when I graduated high school 99 and you remember this cuz and our band would play yes I was alive and
around in '99 well we had you know the metal band that we played in and would play gigs and we'd have parties and
stuff to kind of like promote the shows and stuff like that just kind of typical
things but we'd normally have mostly high school kids but there would always be like a group of college age kids yeah
or even late 20 some yeah and nowadays like you could not pay me to go hang out with high school kids yeah I I wonder I
always I didn't Wonder back then but once I got to be 28 29 I wondered what those 28 29 year olds were even doing
hanging out I think you got to be a pretty big loser is what I think is going on that you got to hang out with
these young people which makes it a little more odd that con would go talk to MLL so hold on to your seats cuz
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cheers mates we have to introduce a man by the name of Gregory Collins M now it is believed that Collins had information
on the Kevin Ives and Don Henry deaths in January of 1989 Gregory Collins died from three
shotgun blast fired at a close range now one shot hit Collins in the face his body was discovered in a Pine Forest in
a County south of saline Collins had been called to testify to the grand jury but he had never appeared now newspaper
reports that Garrett and Harmon questioned him privately about the train death case right question him or
threaten him I guess depends on how you look at it the strange thing here though
Captain is you know little is known about what he may have known about this case he he may have known something
because apparently he was interviewed or like you said possibly threatened by Garrett and Harmon in private um but he
he is shot three times with a shotgun now we have a little more FY Malik Shenanigans going on here because this
is one that FY Malik would rule a suicide so if you believe the medical examiner Mr Mal okay just say it slowly
for me say say this stupidity slowly for me okay so if you are to believe the medical examiner F FY Malik M then you
would have to believe that Gregory Collins drove out to a remote place went into the forest with a shot gun and
managed to shoot himself three times and one of those shots being to the face where presumably that's the shot that
killed him um it's not impossible that somebody could shoot themselves three times uh but I find it highly unlikely
with a shotgun with a shotgun it would be very it would be extremely hard to do to shoot ones self three times with the
shotgun you know that's just FY being FY you know that's just FY being FY yeah that's just fi doing whatever the hell
he wants uh yeah or what he's paid to do by others you're exactly right that's the other thing too it's like I'm not
saying that he's a dumbass he might not actually be a dumbass but when you have higher ups that are right one right in
your check and you got people you got eyewitnesses dying around you what what the hell are you going to do here's the
other thing though Captain to we talked about remember FY Malik got a nice he got a handsome uh well not a promotion
but he got a raise well yeah and I said I think 43% but it a 41% raise which was
announced to be what like $144,000 was the actual the the money amount there was 14,000 so if that's a
40 let's just say it's a 40% raise so that means he's making and I'm going to show my dumb math here but that would
mean he's making in the ballpark of what $40 to $45,000 a year before that raise
give or take you so now he's making under 60 mhm M uh I would think that people that are importing pounds of
cocaine and moving them would have the means of buying Mr Malik off pretty cheap probably if the guy's only making
60 Grand a year it probably doesn't take a whole boatload of money to get him to
say you know what not only do we need you to say that this was either an accident or a suicide but you're the
medical examiner nobody else is going to follow up on this whatever you rule this
is probably what it's going to sit as forever right right but they but they did follow up on many cases if you know
you know I mean like people eventually started going hey there's something wrong and that's what frustrates me
about this whole case yeah is not only did uh you know families came forward and said hey something's not right and
then the powers that be going all the way up to Bill Clinton which was this Governor at the time he wasn't president
at the time but goes all the way up to that jack wagon M right and he comes back and says Hey look it's none of my
business I think he's doing pretty good job yeah he's doing a great job [ __ ] you
Bill okay all right calm down there Captain well this is just you know it's ridiculous I mean three shot you know
three shotgun shots to the face well one to the face right two to the chest right
but you're going to shoot yourself twice in the chest and then one in the face well let's keep in mind a shotgun is a
pretty powerful shot too that'd be really hard to do anyways yes I mean The Recoil alone would probably mess up your
hand on some level or I would argue that nobody would that very few people would
even have the strength remaining after one shot to fire an additional two shots I mean this this is just asinine really
next we have Daniel Bearden uh who went by the name of boony um boony was from Alexander Arkansas mhm M uh about 6
weeks after they discovered Gregory Collins body in the forest uh police began searching a another remote area
for the body of this boony guy um and he had he was another person that was asked
to testify to the grand jury it's probably suicide well he he he was actually missing for about eight months
at the time that they started searching for him so they were in no hurry to go looking for him right um police they
only went out there because they received information that he was buried near the Arkansas River they went out
there and they searched and they found nothing um so this guy is is unaccounted for suspected to have been killed and
buried somewhere um now a person by the name of woodro May testified that he woodro was the middleman in a local drug
trade uh but he also stated that three other people had similar arrangements with the guy that he was getting his
drugs from and in this statement he also says that two of these people Harmon knew personally and may have had some
kind of arrangement with them the reason why I bring up woodro is because in that
same statement woodro stated that boony was one of his distributors so again we're seeing the
drug trade the drug trafficking going on wrapped around this whole case right and
this also brings us to eyewitness James Millum yeah we talked about milum a little bit earlier we didn't identify
him by name um he had information regarding the IES and Henry deaths as well he was scheduled he was you know
they had a long list of people that they were going to talk to with the grand jury he was on that list uh he didn't
get the opportunity to do so though remember he was the guy that was found decapitated but FY Malik had ruled that
it was a um it was natural causes that he had died from an from an ulcer yeah yeah yeah which apparently that that you
have an ulcer your head pops off that's that's according to FY Malik that's what
happened and um and we here's the crazy thing he's decapitated and FY Malik claims that the dog ate the head right
ate the head of the of of his owner now the thing here is his whole story got all screwed up when do we know what kind
of of dog that is um I'm not it was probably a very small I'm in I'm in the market to buy a dog and I'm not buying
that kind of dog okay so that's what FY Malik says cuz when I die from a ulcer and your head pops off I do not want my
dog eating my head okay but listen to this Captain Malik says that the dog ate the head right mhm okay then there's a
big problem with his finding because the police shortly after Malik gives this ruling they find the head right they
find the head and then Malik's like well that's because the dog regurgitated it that he threw up he ate the head and
then he puked it puked it up right the more and more we cover the story the more I just think that he has paid or
knows that if you don't cooperate you're going to die of a ulcer and your head's
going to pop off as well I I look I don't think it's stupidity I don't think I don't think any doctor is that dumb I
think I really the more we talk about it the more I think that his hands were tied and he knew if he didn't follow you
know the powers that be that he's going to end up worm food I think you might be
on to something there you he he could have been afraid he could have been being paid under the table by some of
these people or could have been a combination of both which is probably what is most likely um the thing here is
though you know while we're on FY Malik story here that he started off as an assistant to the medical examiner and
very quick the medical examiner retired and he basically assumed the role of medical examiner well and I wonder how
long that guy worked for and and was he was he supposed to retire or was he just
somebody that was not going to work within their system he was made to retire you see what I'm saying that's a
good question we we don't know that but what we do know is that what was discovered after FY Malik had been the
medical examiner for like seven it was either Seven to years somewhere in that ballpark MH they realized because of
some of these cases that Malik actually did not have the qualifications to be a medical examiner he only had the
qualifications to be an assistant so they realized this he wasn't even qualified for that probably right and
they realized this after he's been running the show for almost 10 years yeah but it's not you know Bill Clinton
can't do nothing about it well listen to this whole story they they the governor's office the there here's their
statement they say that it's not their problem because there's supposed to be a medical
examiners commission this is a group of people that review and decide who is qualified for this position and who is
not so when famy Malik took over the position they should have reviewed his qualifications reev reviewed him as a
candidate and either accepted him or turned him down for the role the problem is when people started going back in in
interviewing this medical examiner commission that supposedly existed well the people that were
supposed to be on the commission said yeah I was on that commission at one point but we haven't met for like 10 or
12 years we've not met about anything for 10 or 12 years I didn't know I was supposed to still be on that commission
well then the governor's office then says well because this commission didn't do their job there's nothing that we can
do about it we cannot remove we we can't remove we can't remove him now and at some point after it was discovered he
wasn't qualified he did seek out whatever training or knowledge he needed or you know to to become qualified for
the position eventually right well because he just got one a a 41% raise and then he's getting probably Kickbacks
MH and look again there's the fear element when your Governor is helping other people run
drugs then and and and some boys stumble upon that 16 and 17y old boy stumbles upon that and they are murdered and they
put their bodies on tracks to be ran over by trains you might fall in line too you know what I mean you might do
what they tell you to do well when the officials of Arkansas were asked why would you give FY Malik a a pay raise a
when we have people in the community wait hold on because we're selling drugs people that's what they should have said
Bill Clinton should have said hey we're selling drugs and we need somebody to cover our ass and that's why we gave him
a pay raise but the thing here is we they had people they had families they had people in the community basically
picking and calling for FY Malik's Job saying fire this dude we don't trust this guy we can't feel safe living here
if this is what's going to be happening and basically the officials said that you know because they were asked why the
hell would you give this guy a pay raise when all these people were calling for his job right and and they they stated
go ahead well and it's not just the Henry family and the IES family that aren't getting answers it's all these
victims and it's then multiply it by all their family and friends and those are the people paying your salary but at the
end of the day you think Bill Clinton gives a [ __ ] do you think anybody in power that's
getting paid a bunch of money actually gives a [ __ ] you know if they're running
drugs if they're willing to kill a 16 and 17year old person do you think they actually give a [ __ ] and for all the
people right now that are listen going well this is just a conspiracy this ain't conspiracy this is a fact we're
stating facts mhm this is not conspiracy but but the funny thing is here these these officials talk out of both sides
of their mouths because what happens here is when when he's first awarded the pay raise they they stay they say that
you know what FY Malik is a victim in this whole circumstance and that he deserves to be you know treated with
respect and and to show him such we gave him a pay raise well then when they come
back and they ask them later there's all these people in the community saying he
should be fired how can you give him a pay raise then they State well he's due to retire soon so we applied that pay
raise to him not for him personally but as a position we were upgrading the pay to that position so that when he does
retire we could recruit a more you know suitable candidate for this position well you know how they always have
answers don't they well right because when you're high on cocaine you come up with a million answers all at once well
let's keep going with this list here Captain because it just keeps growing and growing next on the list is Richard
Winters uh who was actually at one point he was he was considered to be a possible suspect in the deaths of Kevin
Ives and Don Henry um he had he had he had offered to cooperate with the grand jury and with Garrett and Harmon at some
point um but again before he could do so okay he ends up being killed by a shotgun
blast to the face um but this was during a robbery in July of 1989 now it's it's not been proven um
but but it's it's widely believed that the robbery was was not so much a robbery that it was more of a setup
right we're stage robbery we're going to have this robbery situation and one guy's going to end up dead and and
conveniently it's somebody that's offering to cooperate with the grand jury and and maybe divulge what he may
know about the deaths of these two teenagers mhm I think it's pretty obvious by now that everybody that we
bring up on this list is going to end up dead at some point I told you this episode should be called Murder yeah
well the thing here is one of the one of the stranger ones to me is Keith mcal yeah now shortly before Keith M mcal was
murdered I have nightmares about this yeah he he told people that he believed he was going to be murdered he he was
telling his family members goodbye he was making funeral arrangements he was telling his friends goodbye um he was
also telling his friends and family that like he was being followed uh by by the
two police officers that we had mentioned earlier that were Lane and Campbell that were supposed to be
involved in the deaths of the two teenagers he was also pointing out vehicles to to his friends and family
stating you know what I know that car has been following me for quite some time um the thing here is that the a big
problem with this story is remember we talked about Sheriff Jim Steed well there was an election coming up in 1988
and it was for the the office of of sheriff now the thing is here that mcal on the night of the sheriff's
election in 1988 he was out with a bunch of people and he made a big announcement
at this bar and he held up two pennies he pulled two pennies out of his pocket threw them at the bar yeah and he stated
he said if Jim Ste loses this election my life isn't worth two cents and believe it or not shortly after that he
was killed okay so did he lose the election yeah Jim Ste lost the election that night and within 48 Hours uh Keith mcal
was murdered but how he was murdered is what creeps me out mhm yeah so a quick description here which I think is very
fitting for Keith mccal which is necessary I mean uh he managed a place called The we The Wagon Wheel Lounge uh
and he was considered to be a big dude he was 6 fo2 uh he weighed about uh 200 lb or so um he was a bit of a legend for
breaking up barroom fights several people told stories of him breaking up fights that involved weapons sometimes
even knives and he would without a go into this fight and break it up cuz he was a bad ombre yeah and but but Masco
might have been a bit of a weird dude though because he was he was a known drug user he was suspected of selling
drugs he had a lot of friends in low places but he had a lot of police friends as well this guy is just all
sorts of bad country songs he works at the Wagon Wheel he has Friends in Low Places yeah and but but the the funny
thing here though to me Captain is we talk about all these misdoings by these public officials and by uh police
officers and Sheriff's you know deputies and things like that right and you know
to call somebody a weird dude saying that he's got a lot of friends that are in low places but he also has a lot of
friends that are police as well I don't think it's that weird in this situation because it seems to me like some of the
police were in Pretty Low Places themselves right right that's exactly right now Dan Harmon told Linda IES and
others that mcll was acting as an informant in the murder case agreeing to pass along any information that he had
heard in the nightclub but more importantly you know according to Charlene Wilson's statement mcal was at
the tracks the night that the boys were killed right and it is also believed that Keith Cooney went on to to find
mascal and tell him what he had saw at the tracks or what he had saw near the grocery store that night with the police
officers beating up his friends so on November 10th 1988 this like we said this is just two days after the
sheriff's election this takes place around 1:30 a.m. a neighbor of Keith mcals said that he had heard some loud
groaning noises coming from Mas casal's home uh this woke him up in the middle of the night he go he goes to the window
and he's looking around and he sees nothing but what he says is that it sounded as if someone had drank way too
much and was vomiting right uh the following morning a lady friend of mcals came to his home and discovered body so
what happened how did he die well Mas casal's body was wrapped in a flower patterned shower curtain and he was
lying in the carport area of his home this is near a door that was going to his kitchen he's covered in blood uh his
house inside the home completely covered in blood as well um there had been an obvious fight that lasted probably quite
some time that had left blood everywhere mascal had been stabbed over a 100 times
Jesus um the stab that most likely killed him was there was one to the heart uh all of the stab wounds were
above the waist showing that masal had defended himself and probably doing it quite well uh making the fight last a
lot longer than maybe his attackers would have thought it would have uh a lot of the slashes and stabs were to the
arms and the hands showing that Not only was he defending himself but he was going after the knife that was stabbing
him well it sounds like he had an ulcer yeah this is this is probably natural causes or at the very least an
accidental death right according to FY mik no of course it was ruled a murder um but but here's where it gets weird
well actually not of course in this case true it's like not of course yeah you're
right you you have to be like ex you know happy yeah you're like oh finally um well now we we should talk about
Ronald Shane Smith Ronald Shane Smith was a neighbor of mcals right now what had happened was when the police after
after the the friend the female friend found Mas casal's body she calls it in the police are there investigating
whatever's going on and Ronald's father goes across the street and he says you know what I think you should talk to my
son because I think he knows something about what has happened here right so they talk to the son uh now now Ronald
Shane Smith is 19 years old at the time and he's he's considered slow at school he's
mentally handicap not my words these are other people's words um the thing here is he tells them that he was over at M
casal's place and that he he had gone there to purchase I believe he purchased a silver tray and some pornographic uh
videotapes from mcal the tray was going to be a gift for his mother the tapes were something for himself right and uh
he had owed mascal money so he went over there to pay him some of the money that
he owed him and while they were there he said that MLL was acting strange he was
looking out the window stating that people were following him and he's been calling this for weeks yeah and he says
then at some point three men they they pull up in a vehicle they bust through the door yeah but what were these guys
wearing they were there were three men wearing clown mask Fu no no so well that's what that's what they were
wearing but could you imagine well we do have Stephen King's It coming out very soon yes but what I'm
saying is if three dudes in clown Mass showed up to my house oh that' be yeah you're hoping that it's one of your
friends are acting nuts I mean I'd be scared but at the same time I'd be thinking I'm going to kick one of these
dudes in the dick well uh according to Ronald Shane Smith two of the guys had knives and one of them had a gun and the
the the guy with the gun the clown with the gun comes up to Ronald and he forces
him into a chair holding him at gunpoint mhm a fight breaks out between mascal and the other two guys that are holding
knives at some point during the fight the the gunman takes Ronald outside and he says that during this
time he could hear mcal in the home being killed uh you would think they would just shoot him and then would you know
with the when the struggle happened you'd think that the guy with the gun would have just shot him and just took
off yeah well here's the thing here's what really that was my whole thing I was like why the hell wouldn't they just
shoot this witness right mhm but then I also got to thinking about well if mascal was killed in a a situation where
it was a hit where it was a planned murder mhm well why would why would you bother fighting with mascal anyway
because if you just you wouldn't want to fight with mascal it sounds like he could handle himself and and many others
at the same time right he was a ballroom brawler man and the thing is they obviously wanted to keep this quiet you
can't just show up you can't just show up to someone's home in a neighborhood and guns blasting everywhere and go
unnoticed silence sir the the thing here is you know so what they did according to Ronald Smith is that they gave him
the knife and they told him that if he didn't stab uh mcal they were going to shoot him and so he stabs
mcal and they take a picture a Polaroid picture of him at that time and they tell him that they're going to keep this
for evidence if you ever come after us if if we if you tell on us mhm we're going to frame you for this murder and
again his IQ was something around 80 so this is a lot of stuff and a lot of details to come up with out of nowhere
it it is uh the story doesn't end there uh we'll get it back to that but the I didn't really want to I didn't really
want to report on what his supposed IQ was because I've seen some varying you know we we noticed this with West
Memphis 3 and several other cases that we've covered that the IQ seems to be something that people argue you know
people that would be for some kind of conspiracy they're going to lower his IQ when they tell the story and people that
think that Ronald Smith is guilty they're going to raise that IQ the other thing that's been in question I've seen
different reports of how of the size of this 19-year-old boy because there's been a lot of people that said well you
know he was only 58 148 PBS there's no way that he could have taken down Keith mccal who was 6'2
over 200 lbs barroom brawler MH uh but you don't bring fist to a knife fight but I've also seen reports that have uh
Ronald Smith being as tall as 5'1 and 180 lb which is not a big discrepancy between the two men exactly
exactly but his story does change uh upon further questioning um the story changes to that it was not three men in
clown mask it was five men that were dressed head to toe in Black uh that they came in but but there's a lot of
similarities they came in they busted through the door they took over the situation they controlled Ronald Smith
and and they attacked Keith mcal um they did find they they found blood everywhere in that home this fight
lasted for quite some time and he believed Ronald Smith reported that he believed that the men that the attack
took somewhere between 30 and 40 minutes to take place the strange thing here though too is Jim Ste you remember the
uh the the outgoing Sheriff who lost the election well he had hired mcal to take
aerial photos of of the of the tracks of of the area where the boys were were killed um we don't know I don't know if
he ever successfully carried out those photographs now he did have a briefcase in his home that had blood all over it
and it was opened and and it wasn't full you know it wasn't stuffed to the brim with with with items so some people
would believe that something was stolen from that briefcase um it could have been aerial photos it could have been it
could have been drugs there was also rumors that mcal was making audio tapes of what he knew about the murders and
what he and who he knew was involved that way if something did happen to him that maybe police or maybe one of the
actual good guys would find one of these cassette tapes yeah if there was a good
guy left yeah it's it's getting hard to find any good people left now the police
they did go and they found some of these some some items in Ron Smith's possession um out behind his home they
had found the silver tray that he had talked about purchasing some videotapes and they found some bloody clothes now
in Ron Smith's story though he says remember he says that he was told to to stab uh mcll as mcll was already dead uh
but he was also he also said that he had fallen on the body at some point and got
blood all over himself right um it's difficult here Captain because you could make a strong argument either way in
this case to me but when I keep seeing name after name of people that are being called to the grand jury and they keep
dying um it it seems to me like Mas casal's murder is probably not a one-off committed by this Ron Smith it's
probably connected to this whole boys on the track situation um now Ron Ronald Smith ends up being convicted of the
murder of Keith mccal which mik G feeling says that is another tragic point of the story MH yeah and next we
have Jeff rhods now Jeff rhods was the young man from Benton Arkansas who was he ended up being murdered in 1989 but
shortly before his death he made a phone call to his father in Texas stating that
he needed to get out of Arkansas and that he felt that he knew way too much about the bo on the railroad tracks and
the death of Keith mcal uh a couple weeks after this phone call that's when Jeff is found dead uh
he had been shot in the head and he was they had attempted whoever killed him attempted to cut off his head and hands
and feet um they were unsuccessful with the hands and feet uh and they had also set him on fire now they found his body
in a landfill these are just Savage people yeah the thing is though we have Jeff
rhs he's he's missing for just a week right but but shortly after he's reported missing his father reaches out
to the Sheriff's investigators and states that you know he called me a week ago asking if I could find him a job
here in Texas because he needed to leave Arkansas and this is why he needed to leave Arkansas and he said there was
never any followup even after they had found his body they didn't reach back out to him to fur inquire what Jeff rhs
could have been talking about and somehow they link the death of Jeff rhs to this guy named Frank peler uh he's
ultimately arrested and charged with murder he's convicted and sentenced to life now we we got to keep in mind here
because of what took place in 1987 Dan Harmon he's he's a quote unquote special prosecutor he's assigned this role he's
well he's certainly special right but he's not technically he's not an elected prosecutor uh he's assigned this role in
the in the the specific case of Don Henry and Kevin Ives Now by 1990 he is the elected prosecutor and so
now he has all this additional power so some of these cases that we're seeing coming about where the murder would take
place in in 1989 some of these people were probably convicted and and prosecuted by Dan
Harmon well he had a lot of up to do and that leads us to Jordan ketton now Jordan ketton he was believed to have
had information regarding Kevin Ives and Don Henry's deaths um he was also believed that he might have been a part
of MC's murder now he was found shot to death in his front in the front seat of his pickup truck in June of
1990 now there was no police investigation regarding his H homicide his body was cremated before an autopsy
could be performed why I have no clue well because the autopsies were so bad anyways so you know hey let's just not
even get old FY involved is probably an ulcer anyways and and I don't have definitive
information about this but it could be a situation where the police ruled it a suicide you know he's found shot in in
his vehicle right um but again we've talked about this time and time again anytime you have a death that is as a
result of unnatural causes you know an autopsy is supposed to be performed in this situation and and it wasn't the
body was cremated before it could be performed well right not if you're trying to cover up cover your ass you
know we don't need autopsies so obviously this is so obvious right here Captain we we have Captain Obvious we
have all these Witnesses we have all these people that are supposed to be called to the grand jury people that
have been reported to have had had private meetings private questioning situations with Richard Garrett and Dan
Harmon and we see person after person you know getting killed people person after person dying in these mysterious
deaths somewhere we have people getting convicted somewhere we have no explanation why they died at all I mean
we had we had Jerry who we don't know who he is he and if we believe that story he moved out of the area because
he was told to get the hell out of Dodge right or he was killed and never found and and one they refused to identify him
you had stated earlier and you're exactly right it would have been so easy for Sheriff Jim steeve to come forward
and say well this is who Jerry was I know who he is because we locked him up for 90 days but nobody says that and
then we have Ronnie Goodwin now Ronnie Godwin I'm sorry he's one of the lucky ones he's still alive today but but
police refuse to believe his story more to the point where they say that he is Jerry when they know damn well he's not
Jerry right he's just a drunk can't believe him we have Keith Cooney who was probably you know witnessed too much
stuff that night he probably gave Kevin and Don a ride on the back of his motorcycle he may have seen something go
down at the tracks earlier and his death is ruled a motorcycle accident we have Keith right with a slit throat yeah we
have Keith mccal who is murdered in his own home he's stabbed over 100 times we have the strange stories with the clown
mask and the men dressed from head to toe in Black right and we we have who could be another innocent person who is
convicted of his murder right we have Greg Collins shotgun blast to the face and it's ruled a suicide yeah three
shots with a shotgun he killed himself we have Jeff rhs shotgun blast to the face his body is burned he's found in
the landfill and we have this pelure guy that is arrested and convicted for his murder and we we got rhs telling people
that not only did he know about the boy's deaths in advance before he's killed he's telling them that he knows
about M casal's death as well right we have Richard Winters who who dies in the robbery we have Jordan ketton uh shot to
death in in the front seat of his pickup truck and there's no explanation for how
he died we're not given a ruling on how he died no autopsy performed we have James Millum who had an ulcer in his
head popped off it you know that's justy Malik out creating something here just just making something up we have that
boony Bearden who vanished and we've never seen him there he's believed to be murdered they've never located his body
what did he know yeah and if this isn't if this isn't enough evidence of a huge conspiracy to cover
up these boys's death uh I don't know what to tell you yeah they're covering up the deaths of these two boys and then
they're killing more people to cover up the deaths that they have to commit to cover up the the original two right and
it all comes down to the fact that they have these drugs they have to keep running the drugs they want to keep
having the money from the drugs and that they're they have higher ups I think that are involved in this drug smuggling
and this drug running and it's it's the crime of greed you know the murder for greed just makes absolutely no sense to
me well and I know we probably got some loyal garage army people out there going
this this is huge Nick and Captain why haven't we heard of this before well contact somebody that lives in Arkansas
because these people have been talking about this case for 30 years right uh this is no secret to the people that
live in Arkansas and live in this area and if alarm Bells aren't going off in your head ask yourself this okay we've
we've mentioned over what we've mentioned 10 or a dozen murders here right and there's probably a few that we
don't know about because we're not in Arkansas and it's hard to find information about people that died in 87
88 '89 from that time period but ask yourself this why do we have an an area a remote area of a state where only
about 5,000 people are reported to have been living there in the late ' 80s and we got all of these mysterious deaths
going on in a short period of time M it it there's something going on in Arkansas well and how many people are
going to talk about this if you know clowns are showing up to people's houses and stabbing them a hundred times MH if
a clown shows up to my house one I'm kicking it in the I'm kicking in the goddamn dick okay first of all second of
all I hope that we put out a show next week because if somebody finds me somewhere and my head popped off it
wasn't a goddamn ulcer your stomach's fine I I'm I will vouch for you your your stomach is fine you're solid in
that area we got we we have a lot to uh cover in the next case and I think I it's a shame that this case hasn't
been talked about and I see this all the time when when and the the thing that drives me absolutely insane is the word
conspiracy when there are truths there MH and when they start talking about these child sex trafficking rings that
maybe some people in the government are involved in and there's some actually there's some validity to the story and
it just kind of goes nowhere to me that is powerful people and rich people being
able to protect themselves in a way that the normal person or the normal citizen
of the United States of America cannot do yeah and I think um how much was like Bill Clinton involved in this I don't
know but he knew certain things about it and again I don't want to become political because I'm neither left or
right I'm normally always wrong so you're usually wrong but well my point is is I I don't like Rich Pricks and I
don't like Rich Pricks using people for you know gains and I don't like I don't like people of power getting away with
horeshit well we will try tomorrow to sum this up put a nice bow on it and open your eyes to some other goings on
uh that was taking place in in Arkansas as well all right let's wrap this up because I got to do a couple sets down
at the Wagon Wheel yeah we will see everybody back in the garage tomorrow if you if you don't hear from us tomorrow
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By all accounts, the engineer did a masterful job of bringing his train to a stop. It had taken a screaming, screeching half mile. By the time the engine shuddered to a standstill, Conductor Jerry Tomlin was on the radio notifying an approaching train on a parallel track to stop because some boys had been run over. He also called the dispatcher. "Have you got injuries?" The dispatcher asked. "No," Tomlin said. "We've got death." -From "The Boys on the Tracks" by Mara LeverittTonight we discuss the case that many wanted to keep quiet. Two teenagers are run over by a train in the middle of the night. Was it an accident, a double suicide or a double murder? Join us in the garage for the tragic story of the boys on the tracks.

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Brief Summary

The episode investigates the suspicious deaths of two Arkansas teens and the corrupt officials involved in covering it up.

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A Fateful Night in 1987. Two boys were run over by a train, but the investigation raised more questions than answers.
The Mysterious Death of Keith Cony. Keith Cony, a key witness, died in a motorcycle crash that many believe was a murder.
Gregory Collins' Fatal Shooting. Gregory Collins, who had information on the case, was shot three times in a suspicious incident.
FY Malik's Controversial Rulings. Medical examiner FY Malik ruled several suspicious deaths as accidents or suicides, raising eyebrows.

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Episode quotes

I was outraged that protecting a political crony was more important than justice.

Frustration over political corruption

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