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[Music] where we at didn't realize there was anybody else out there at first we were
just like I said goofing off U and uh we come up on or didn't really come up on we noticed there were people on the
track so a flashlight come on and then go back off they weren't looking in our Direction but we can see the light and
so we kind of quieted down and snuck up a little bit closer to what was going on
and there was five individuals uh standing on the tracks one thing that struck my curiosity is uh at the time my
mother was dating uh an attorney named Dan uh Dan Harmon I knew him well enough to recognize him there were two more
individuals that uh few minutes after we got there uh were walking down the railroad tracks that had a rifle uh and
what looked a bit flashlight they were more or less kind of minding their own business
uh and when they realized someone else was on the tracks uh they stopped and was fixing to turn around when
someone or Danny motioned for them to come closer over to where they were uh they hesitated
and eventually ended up walking on towards the rest of the group while my head was turned I heard a
what sounded like a gunshot saw a flash as you would expect with a gunshot night
we were pretty much terrified and bolted and ran other Witnesses corroborated that
[Music] evidence this is part two of the boys on the tracks case Captain should we do a
little recap last time on True Crime garage in the early morning hours of August
23rd 1987 this is in Bryant Arkansas two boys were laying motionless on the train
tracks and they were passed over by the train the investigation of their deaths falls into the jurisdiction of the
Saline County Sheriff's office now that investigation has been called botched at
best and where it picks up from there the medical examiner this is famy Malik he takes over the case and he has to
investigate his ruling on the cause of the boy's deaths he's going to claim that the boys were high on marijuana and
they passed out on the train tracks then the train came and ran the boys over and
that's the cause of death ruling it an accidental death you're exactly correct exactly so the parents of the two boys
are obviously dissatisfied with the sheriff's investigation as well as the medical examiner's findings so they
schedule a press conference and it's after this press conference that a grand jury is is established and the grand
jury decides that they review the they review the evidence and they decide that the cause of death might not be
accidental that it's a possible homicide and they're going to call for a second autopsy after the grand jury
successfully got the latest autopsy this was conducted by well-renowned pathologist Dr Burton now remember he
was from out of state he was actually from Atlanta because they they needed not only fresh eyes on this but they
needed someone that would not have connections locally or at the state level but also at the time Atlanta and
Dr Burton had access to better technology this is going to change their findings of the death not being
accidental but by being murdered yes let's let's say correcting right because they they just got it wrong from the
beginning so from a possible homicide to a definite homicide and because the grand jury and the change in the
correcting of the rulings of death the investigation was then transferred to the jurisdiction of the Arkansas State
Police I say that because it's not only important to the telling of this story but in today's episode we will be
reviewing some statements that have been taken from the Arkansas state police files from their investigation into the
murders of 16-year-old Don Henry and 17-year-old Kevin Ives this new investigation team has uphill battle
because from the get-go it should have been invest at as a homicide but it wasn't and they didn't do their due
diligence and it was just investigated as a traffic death correct and we even discussed items that they failed to
collect at the scene that may have had value towards pointing towards any kind of of evidence and before we get to the
timeline we need to kind of discuss what was going on in the drug community in this town cocaine and Other Drugs were
flowing into the city of Little Rock Arkansas and the smaller communities that surrounded it as as well uh this is
coming from Central America via the freeways that connected Miami Los Angeles and Dallas but they were coming
in by all forms of transportation by the time of 1987 the movers would Place cocaine on
trains and it would be dropped at designated drop spots this was also coming in by airplane as well and not
too far from the tracks where the boys were found there's an airport called the Mena airport and this was known by many
to be trafficking drugs planes were landing near the airport under the cover of night without using their lights they
were Landing sitting briefly and taking off again without cutting off their engines MH the state police was aware
that this was going on so to combat this they started parking Vehicles near the airport well the airplane started
adjusting what they were doing they picked out different locations and now rather than Landing they were just kind
of buzzing the fields getting real low about 100t off the ground and dropping things from the planes obviously we have
Kevin Ives and we have Don Henry those are the two boys that were found on the tracks but now let's get into some of
the other key players yes the first person that we will introduce is a man by the name of Jeff rhs he's a young man
that was interviewed by investigator Don Birdsong and this is from the state police files bird song's report this is
with an interview with a young man that bird song does not identify in his notes
but his notes state that the Wednesday before the boys were killed someone had contacted this man looking to buy an
ounce of cocaine this being possibly rhs the buyer this guy was unable to obtain
the cocaine so he contacted Don Henry Don and Kevin met with the buyer and they said that they could get Coke from
Don's connections now this connection is not mentioned as well well and mind you
that Don Henry was 16 years old at this time in another interview with the state
police this is with Don Henry's sister Gayla Gayla stated that Don had been at the home of a alleged drug dealer to
purchase marijuana on the Thursday or Friday before he was killed MH she had also heard Don say that he knew quote
the ultimate dealer unquote he didn't give a name to this person but he said that the dealer worked out of Little
Rock Arkansas well we have evidence that the boys were smoking pot so they got to
get that from somebody M I've been on pot runs mhm right so you go into the house just because the guy sells maybe
all he does is sell pot but he might sell other things and another statement this is from Chris Ballard who was at
one time married to Don's sister he says that he saw Don on the Thursday before Don's death Don said that he was going
to steal some cocaine Chris also said that Don had mentioned something about this ultimate guy working out of Little
Rock Arkansas in one of the investigators notes this is investigator Don bird song these were entered into
the file in the summer of 1989 and this is in regards to a conversation with a confidential informant stating that Don
and Kevin had overheard a phone call between the dealer and an unidentified individual about a large drug drop near
the area of the train tracks Sergeant Barney Phillips interviewed a friend of Don and Kevin's and said that the night
that they had died he was at a party at a mobile home and the two of them dropped by before leaving this party he
said that they had told him that they were going to go get some cocaine so they could sell it and make a bunch of
money now let's introduce Keith Cony Keith Cony is a young man he's a an acquaintance of Don and Kevin
Keith's mother Betty Alexander reported to a drug task force officer that her son had told her that he knew something
about the IES and Henry deaths but he wouldn't explain to her what Now Keith would go on and tell his father and some
of his friends that he had been out that night with well and let's you know not to interrupt but he was pretty close
with his mother mhm he was afraid to tell her correct yes like like severely afraid but in a moment and and he I
think he was afraid to tell his father as well wasn't like he just came out with this information old willy-nilly no
he wasn't just running around town telling anybody that would listen uh this was something that he was it was
burning inside of him but he was afraid to talk about it but I also think possibly you know having been in that
father role that if if my son you know my stepson would have said I know something but I don't want to tell you I
would have made him tell me you know because because I can't I can't try to protect you
if I I don't know what you know yeah yeah well Keith had told his father and he had told some friends that he had
been out that night with Don and Kevin this being the night of their deaths and he stated that they were out near sh
Road uh where they were approached by two police officers in a vehicle okay now at this time Keith is on his
motorcycle at this point and he states that he fled the scene and he believed that the boys were attacked and possibly
killed by those two police officers so so he saw them being attacked and he fled the attack yeah he was he was
hanging out with the two boys and as the officers approached he he took off he got out of there months after having
telling his father about the story involving the Police Keith con's mother Betty Alexander she's at the local
prison visiting her other son Eugene con now while she's there she meets a man by
the name of Mike crook Mike crook is a former manager of GG's which is a nightclub on the county line Mike had
told Betty about a GG's customer who frequented the club and an incident that the customer had said he had seen at a
small grocery store near shrobe Road this is located in the general area of the train tracks where the boys were
found on the night of their deaths he was parked at the store close to the railroad tracks waiting for his wife
that's what this statement says there's another statement that says he believed that his wife was running around on him
so he had parked there hoping to catch her in the act of being with a boyfriend or being with another man could you
imagine just sitting out in a park dark car waiting for your significant other to possibly be with somebody else I
wouldn't waste my time yeah I think that's that's good advice wouldn't waste my time well while the man is there and
crook will refer to this man as Jerry and he says that Jerry saw three teenagers one of them was on a
motorcycle and then he saw two officers arrive at the scene these boys were there smoking pot is what he believed
that they were doing so one could assume that that is Keith Cooney on his motorcycle mhm and that is also Don and
Kevin and they're all kind of hanging out smoking a little pot yes yes crook would say that Jerry does not identify
the boys by name but he did in telling crook the story he did say I believe that two of those boys could have been
the boys that were found that night well right but this is just proving that his
story makes a lot of sense with Keith story MH Jerry then sees what he believes to be a police car pullup and
at this time he says that one of the boys hops on the motorcycle and takes off now some kind of interaction goes
badly between these police officers and the two remaining boys and he sees that an altercation breaks out and during the
course of this he basically says that he sees the police officers beating the [ __ ] out of the remaining two boys and
afterwards they throw the kids into the back of the patrol car the man Jerry he tells crook this story back at GG's
Nightclub at some point and after discussing the story crook tells him you know what that's probably you're
probably right those are probably the two boys that were found that night and you really should report this now Jerry
was a little hesitant to do so because he saw police officers what he believed to be police officers you know abusing
some citizens right right and so he convinces Jerry to report this Jerry does go and report this situation to the
Sheriff's Office uh Jerry is immediately thrown in jail uh he's thrown in jail for back child support and they keep him
in jail for the mandatory sentence of 90 days that he was to serve after the 90 days this Jerry person
immediately leaves town now why do we keep referring to him as Jerry well it's because Crook in the statement refused
to name the guy right just stating that his name was Jerry and he looked he looked kind of Mexican was the best
description that he would give about regarding Jerry yeah well I think his real name was sketchy Jerry well we're
going to follow that up with another statement and this is from a man named Ronnie Godwin now Ronnie Godwin
according to his statement he had been at gig's nightclub uh for about three or four hours the night that the boys had
passed away this is a happening place he said that he had had seven or eight beers there before he left and he left
around midnight uh when he was driving home he was driving down Highway 5 he turned down County Line Road uh and then
he turned right on to 111 as he approached shrobe Road he saw an unmarked police car he said it was
either tan or gray but it had three antennas police hubcaps and spotlights on it uh instead of
turning right on to shr Road toward his home wait hold on which could be like a detective car yes you know CU a lot of
times like we we live in a pretty small town and when you see well well I do you
live north but um you grew up here and you know you see these cars you have your the police cruisers MH and then
sometimes you have the sheriff cars or you have like maybe a chief of police car but then you also have these
detective cars they're pretty easy to spot tented Windows a bunch of antennas yeah well after seeing the vehicle he
decided to go straight to avoid being noticed instead of turning towards going to his home he had been drinking
obviously that night he said seven or eight beers and he was concerned that he was going to get another DWI had they
spotted him he would eventually Park his car and shut off his lights but when he
was near shrob Road dark Cano he saw two cops with two boys uh his first thought
was that the police may have caught some boys trying to break into the store that
was in the area one of the boys was described as being taller than the other and more heavy set and this boy had
light colored hair uh this boy had been shoved up against the phone booth by a larger cop we can assume at this point
the teenagers that they're pushing up against this pole would be Don Henry mhm he during this altercation he believes
that he sees one of the teenagers being hit with something in the head and this was near a phone booth so he wasn't
certain if it would have been the receiver from the phone uh that would would have been from the phone booth or
if it would have been a larger item it's you know it's dark out he's got his lights off uh but he sees the one boy
being hit in the head and remember in the autopsy was the whole skull fractures and he also says that he did
not believe or did not see the boys to be resist in in any form that that these guys were just going after these kids
right these guys were just getting their ass kicked mhm the second boy he saw uh
there was an officer standing over the other teenage boy who was kneeling and on the ground but he had his head down
and he couldn't really make out whom the kid was after this all took place he said that he saw the two officers throw
the boys into the back seat of their vehicle he then sees one of the officers grab what he believes to be a rifle and
throw it into the car as well the officers then get into the vehicle and they take off he says that they make a
turn and he noticed that they went onto a road that that is a dead end uh he lost track of their lights so at some
point he believes that they may have turned off to the left he was obviously concerned about this situation and a bit
scared but he's still also watching out for him himself he's still worried about
that possible DWI right and so he decides that since nobody noticed him there he knew that these officers would
have to turn around at some point because it was a dead end and he was worried that they could come out at any
second so he decided to still lay low there and he said it's probably about 15 or 20 minutes went by before he sees the
vehicle drive by again he did not notice if the boys were still in the vehicle at
this point Ronnie Goodwin estimated that all this took place around 2 or 2:30 a.m. that night the night that the boys
were found on the tracks right now this is interesting here Captain we have a couple of stories that seem to be lining
up with one another we have we have their friend Keith coony who states that he left because police officers drove up
scared him off and he believed that there something happened between the police officers and the and the boys
yeah at least a confrontation M so we have that story then we have the unknown Jerry person M and then we have this Ron
Goodwin come forward Shady Jerry yeah yeah well the thing here is the state the state police officers uh during
their investigation they believed because this Ronnie Goodwin story was so similar to the story of this unknown
Jerry person that get his name right that had moved out of the area they believe that Jerry and Ronnie Godwin
were one of the same and the thing here is when they approached Crook and and they asked him you know here here's the
guy that we believe this Jerry person is can you confirm this or deny it he States very matter of factly this is not
the person that I'm talking about this is I I still refuse to give his name but this is not the person that that I was
described in a sense it's almost like they're trying to minimize the idea that there was police officers involved you
know I mean like well we got three stories right now that they all kind of line up but uh we're we're thinking that
you know guy a and Guy C are the same so really only have two stories that line up or possibly it could be the exact
opposite though maybe they're trying to corroborate this Godwin story right and and and and just go to him and say okay
now we know you told somebody else about this and we believe you even more um I mean it really could go either way which
does make some sense because he was coming from the bar mhm so that would you know put two and two together yeah
there there's a lot of things that line up there but there's probably more than one person leaving that bar that night
correct yeah well now we have three stories so let's get to the fourth story this is going to come to us by Tom new
house not to be confused by Tom oldh housee but this is the guy that was hiding in the bushes Tom new house is
not introduced into this whole thing until around 1993 this is when a friend of Kevin Ives
reaches out to Linda and he says that he knows a boy that's now 18 and 19 1993 uh
that had seen some things that took place that night and he wanted to put her in contact with this boy this boy
didn't want to talk to anybody but he thought that maybe if Linda talked to him that he would he would feel the urge
to come forward with this information having meeting one of the one of the victims so he puts the two of them in
touch together well meeting the victim's mother correct and so Tom Tom tells this
story that he is out the night that the boy are found and he was out with a couple of his friends they were out in
the area of the tracks and they were looking for marijuana plants and they were goofing around and just you know
just kind of being out in the middle of the night you know doing weird stuff well yeah well we kind of talked about
this like when we're kids the whole thing was especially around the summertime was you might if you could
camp out out in the backyard that you might go like do some pranks right you might toilet paper somebody's house you
might pee in somebody's mailbox stuff like that uh inappropriate not nice stuff but the the best was it's good for
the toilet paper manufacturers right right well good and bad yeah but uh but it was always weird to me is like you'd
be walking to the neighborhood and you might have a couple buddies with you and then all of a sudden you see another
group of people from your high school and they're out doing the same thing did did that ever happen with you once
happened once yeah but it like freaks you out so kind of similar thing where you have this one group of boys
out we're not for sure what they're doing yet they claim that they're hunting and then you got this other set
of kids out and they're maybe looking for a pot just kind of looking around yeah well and you know what happens
Captain if you're out at night and you're a kid in the dark and you see some lights headlights or a light turn
on you you what do you do you duck and you hide and these kids Tom and these other kids they see Tom would have been
12 at the time and they see a light and they decide to duck down and they're going to kind of observe what's going on
and they see three men on the tracks and he he very outwardly describes these guys as men uh and during this time he
also sees two other figures approaching now Tom and the other kids they kind of move up and try to get a little closer
to the situation to see what's going on now they're intrigued right and he sees that the men are trying to engage the
other two figures they're kind of calling out to them and telling them to come over and talk to them this is the
boy that we heard in the trailer correct yeah and he says that the boys seem he describes these other two figures as as
not grown men as possible teenagers he states that the teenagers didn't seem to be they didn't want to go over and talk
to the men they were very reluctant to do so at some point though they get must have been convinced to do so because
then they start walking over towards the men now at this point Tom is ducking down and he's kind of hiding because he
sees several flashlights at the time and he hears what he believes to be a gunshot go off like he said in the
trailer he kind of looked away mhm and then but he also saw the flash of the gun saw the flash of light now he cannot
say whether that gunfire came from the teenage boys or from the three men that he had already seen on the tracks what
he does say though is as soon as they hear that him and his friends decide to take off and flee the area
well and the thing is that he recognizes one of the guys on the tracks yes and and why does he recognize one of them
well I he claims that his mother was seeing attorney in town mhm and that attorney was on the train tracks and
that man is Dan Harmon and where do we know that name from Captain well he was the prosecutor that we had talked about
in episode one uh that was involved in the case of the death of the two boys so get your head around this right this is
what what we're saying people this is why this case is mind-blowing to me is that we have later years down years down
the line right MH in 1993 this stuff comes out but years earlier we have two boys that you know mysteriously die on
train tracks they think it's a a traffic accident and then they bring it to a grand jury and that's brought by this
guy Dan Dan Dan Harmon and he is the the lead prosecutor and he's the one that's
in charge of all the evidence and collecting all the evidence and getting his hands wherever and years later comes
out that oh he might have been on those tracks we have an eyewitness that states
that it was in fact Dan Harmon that he could identify it positively identify him as Dan Harmon because he knew Dan
Harmon he had some he had a relationship with him the man dated his mother and we
also have another eyewitness that points to Dan as well yeah and we're going to get to her right after this quick beer
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little bit by introducing a person by the name of Charlene Wilson um now this woman she's in her 30s and she was known
to be popular around town uh but this is this would take place years after the investigation into the deaths of the
boys and this is during an investigation regarding criminal charges in an unrelated case uh Charlene Wilson
testified in front of of a grand jury to amongst other things but the important thing here to our case is that amongst
those other things she testified that she had dated Dan Harmon for some time now this would have taken place in 1987
right the same years the deaths right and to call a female popular let's just go ahead and put it on the table Dan
Harmon was also considered popular yes yes he was and uh during this time Dan Harmon he was married um and she said
that they dated probably seven or eight times during the course of that year but
the two of them had snorted cocaine on several of those occasions right so Not only was Dan Harmon popular but he was
also what I'd like to call [ __ ] yeah because you can't you can't have a girlfriend when you're married or
you shouldn't have a girlfriend when you're married well the big deal here Captain is that not only does she say
these things but let's keep in mind she's testifying to this to these statements in front of a grand jury so
this is a big deal this is not like you just said it to some news reporter or somebody on the street no this is now
opening up a line of questioning that is probably going to open up to a line of Investigation about the person that
you're talking about by saying that the prosecutor somebody that has been a prosecutor was known to be using illegal
drugs during the course of of his tenure yeah Dan is basically a Coco and this is
going to lead us to aot of other questions regarding Dan Harmon now the police get involved here because after
this statement in front of the grand jury they want to know more about not only Dan's drug use but also this
witness's drug use and they also want to know what else she may know about things
that were going on in the area around 1987 and 1988 so when they question Charlene Wilson they start off by
providing her with two prepared questions um and one of them is more directed toward Dan Harmon and the other is more
directed towards the deaths of Kevin and Dawn now I'm going to read these for you
uh the first one starts off by asking tell us about your drug dealings with Dan Harmon and Charlene responds he kept
me high a lot on occasion I would make specific drops to different areas for him I got high with him a lot the next
question is if you were going to conduct an investig ation on Dan Harmon how would you do it she states that she
would go to his ex-wife Rebecca then he would then she would check his money background with a fine tooth comb mhm
she then recommended going through drug task force records to see who they may have let off during his time when he was
in power as well as payoffs and Drug trades and things of that nature mhm they asked her to list the five most
important causes that would have led Dan Harmon selling drugs and using drugs she
states that it would be his family history also letting people go that had enough money to buy him off would have
led to his drug use uh drugs being confiscated but not actually being reported would be things that he might
have been using or selling right and by letting BigTime dealers off for free she
also stated that it's common knowledge of his drug use and that had been common knowledge amongst many people in his
Circle for years they asked her to write in DET one drug deal that that she had conducted with Dan Harmon now now this
is going to be a little difficult because like she said I mean she was high a lot of the time yes and I imagine
that there were probably more than one drug dealings that she was involved with with Dan Harmon but she's going to give
the answer to one of those and the one that she states is one that took place at a place called Lee beastro club uh
she says Dan Harmon was there as well as Roger Clinton and herself she said that
this took took place on a weekend night and that they had met there in a parking
lot and did a cocaine exchange the next question she's asked do you know who else deals drugs with
Dan Harmon and now they've they've pulled this information from this questionaire because she's naming other
people here but she does name at least four other men the next question is while filling out this form what were
your emotions and she states that she was scared but she was also ready to come clean she's worried about what Dan
may find out that she is saying about him now in the second questionnaire as I said is more related to the deaths of
the boys and it starts off by saying tell us what you know about the circumstances that might have led to the
deaths of Don Henry and Kevin IES she states that she feels that Dan Harmon has more knowledge of the two boys'
deaths than he has ever told in late summer in in August she says that she drove with Harmon to Alexander to meet
with she assumes a man named Keith mcal to make a pickup now she says this would
have been around the time of the two boys' deaths they asked her to write in detail what happened on August 22nd 1987
from the time that she got up until the time she went to bed that evening she states that she got up she did some coke
and Crystal mixed I guess that she says that's called highballing uh she cleaned
up the house left and went off to find some more drugs later that afternoon Dan and wanted to show her a house and they
went in his car and they looked at a house in Alexander when they came back to her
house she said she ate something and put on some makeup Dan then asked her to take a ride back out to Alexander with
him and he asked her to pull down the Old Quarry Road and she he told her to wait in the car he gets out and he
leaves she states that she stayed in the vehicle and she got high a while while she was waiting for him to come back she
said he suddenly then comes back shouting let's go they hop in the vehicle and they head back to her place
and that's when she is told to take a shower um he's she's asking him if there's anything wrong he's saying
there's nothing wrong uh that they spent some time together that evening he took
a shower she went to bed and he left well he had to go back to his wife's house well the final question on this
questionnaire is they ask her do you have any reason to be afraid of answering any of these questions and she
stayes simply yes I do because Dan Harmon does not like me in 1993 this would be in May uh by this
point Dan Harmon has been charged with some drug possession charges and he is currently awaiting trial now I think I
think some of this is going to come to light here Captain because I think that at this point Charlene Wilson might feel
that she might be safe from Dan Harmon because he's facing these charges and he could potentially be going to prison
right uh but in an in an interview with the State Police Department she states that she knows quite a bit more about
the night that the boys were killed oh now it's getting kind of Juicy this is a statement given to detective Brown
Charlene said that she had been with Dan Harmon and Keith mccal the night that the boys had been killed she went with
them to the train tracks she said that when they arrived there were two other men that were there as well but all
these men seemed to be agitated because there was a small band of kids that had tried to rip off the drop see now they
were going there because there was going to be this drug drop they were expecting
to get 3 to four lounds of coke and 5 lbs of weed well and and like we said there was Drops that were made from
trains but also possible that the planes would come in and stop in a field make a
drop and then fly to the airport mhm now she said that when the men got there they stumbled upon these boys that were
apparently trying to rip them off MH and what had happened was they chased after
the boys and they got away now she said that they caught two of them and they were brought back to the tracks this was
Kevin Ives and Don Henry uh she said that when the boys arrived one of them was already deceased at that point she
then claimed that Keith mcal killed the other one h no no no no no she's lying she's lying that's not the whole story
it's not the whole story but it's it's also not the end of the story so she would actually give multiple confessions
to what had happened to the boys of course she would so well we kind of see it with that first part with the
questionnaire right she kind of leads on that she and Dan Harmon know more about
the boy's death than what Dan Harmon is willing to admit that he knows and apparently is more than what she's
willing to admit to knowing during filling out that questionnaire now when she gives her second statement this to
detective Brown she now states that she one of the boys is dead she knows exactly what happened to them one of the
boys is dead when she's at the tracks and the other boy is killed in front of her by Keith mccal well we see another
confession from her and one thing I do want to point out here though Captain is you know we' talked about this a lot
when we see multiple confessions from people usually the stories can trange change drastically that's not what takes
place with Charlene Wilson now with Charlene Wilson basically what I think we get Captain Is We I think we get the
story you know we get the tip of the iceberg with her with that questionnaire then we get pretty much the whole story
right she's filling Us in on more things now this this last let's call it confession it's basically the same story
as the second with one little twist in there okay okay and the twist being that she actually stabbed one of the I knew
it I knew it she said that she was quite high at the time um coked out of her mind she had been hanging out with Dan
Harmon most of the evening Coke and Fizz that's what they call it doing coke and
she said sex she said that after the boys were attacked the one was already dead and the one was near death that the
the men that were there they were they were telling her to stab the boy well yeah because their thought process there
is if she is a right now she's just a witness mhm and she's basically a complice but she can get away with that
yeah but if she stabs one of the boys she's guilty then she's also a murderer yeah yeah and that's why they wanted her
to stab the other boy yeah she she would be guilty as a witness but now she's guilty as a as a conspirator to murder
mhm um so she does admit to stabbing one of the boys in the back um she does right right and we have the evidence of
the stab hole MH and so that's basically her confessions to to that evening well
that really to me we've pointed out quite a bit of other stories regarding that night that all kind of have some
loose parts to them but once you factor in Charlene Wilson's statement that she gives she's kind of the glue she's the
glue kind of binding everything together so I think we need to kind of using these stories we we should be able to
kind of walk through a timeline for the evening of August 23rd 1987 yeah I mean she's the glue that's made out of mainly
cocaine so we'll start off with the boys right Kevin Ives and Don Henry well we've pointed out that if if we take
into account everyone's statements that were given to the police and let's say we believe every statement that was
given to the police well this kind of points out that maybe the boys might not have been going out that night to
actually go hunting they might been involved in something else regardless they went out that night we know they
went out that night this would be between 12:30 and 1 a.m. they leave the house saying that they're
going to go hunting well we now have eyewitness accounts of other people being at the tracks that night yeah and
so the Assumption here is that Kevin and Don got this plan in their head that you
know we buy pot and we don't have much money but we know some guys that actually sell some stuff where we can
make a bunch of money off of it so if we could intercept one of these you know I'm not saying that these these kids
wanted to try cocaine I'm saying that it's probably more likely that they're like you know what if we could get some
cocaine and we probably know some people that would buy it we can make some quick
cash MH and we wouldn't even have to put any money up front because we're just intercepting a drop yeah well I mean
there there's some proof that they might have been looking to purchase cocaine or
to to distribute it to other people to make some cash um and if that's if that in fact is is true and they did stumble
into a situation where they overhere this big-time drug dealer that they keep referring to as talking about a drop
then maybe this is some kind of plan that they devised do you think the BigTime drug dealer that they were
talking about was uh Dan yes I actually do um and whether they knew him by name or knew it to be
Dan Harmon I don't know but I think that there might have been people that talked
about this big time drug lord this big time Big Time play Big Time um the thing here is the the reason being is if if
he's at the drop I don't see why he's not the big time guy you know you know the way these things work you usually
have one it's like a pyramid scheme you have one guy that's doing pulling in a lot of the product he's Distributing it
to a couple people who distribute it to a few more people and the it gets bigger
as you go down the pyramid there and it spreads out the money and most of the money goes to the top there and we're
talking about a drop if we believe Charlene Wilson here we're talking about a drug drop of she says three to four
lbs of cocaine [ __ ] and 5 lbs of weed that sounds like a pretty decent drop to
me right I don't know much about drug drops drug drops raindrops drop tops but we also have Charlene Wilson statement
saying that she was at the tracks that night with Dan Harmon Keith mccal and a man by the name of Larry Rochelle now
who are these other two guys so Keith mccal he is a local bartender he works at one of those places up by the county
line and he's he's a pretty well-known bartender as well he's he's a guy that's known to be a bit rough around the edges
he's known to be a drug user as well as a distributor he's also a Burley guy right now I don't know much about this
Larry Rochelle guy um but what I'm kind of assuming here Captain is that I think
this Keith mcal is involved with moving drugs for Dan Harmon and this Larry Rochelle is probably involved in the
same thing I'm maybe this Larry guy Shady Jerry there a possibility I mean like where he's like uh who's who's your
friend uh not not Larry Jerry yeah yeah but I don't think that Larry I don't think that Larry's going to come forward
and fess up to anything when he's involved in a murder or maybe a way to tell a story to
cover his own ass well we got to stay clear about this because now we have the two teenage boys we have Don and Kevin
at the tracks and we also have Dan Haron Keith mccal and Larry Rochelle now we know some of these players here because
we have two eyewitness statements we have Charlene Wilson stating that Dan Harmon Keith mccal and Larry Roselle are
at the tracks we also have we also have Tom new housee who's hiding in the bushes nearby witnessing this event take
place now there are are some statements that say that that other boy that we talk about later Keith Cooney might have
been one of the boys in the bushes with Tom new house now the situation here is new house Witnesses these guys interact
with each other there seems to be some kind of disagreement he hears The Gunshot go off and then the two
teenagers flee at this same time we have Tom new house who flees as well shortly
after that we have Don Henry and Kevin Ives who are seen near the store near shrobe road now this is with the uh
Keith Cooney as well he states that he was there with the boys so we have Keith Cooney statement stating this and he
says that two police officers pull up and at this point that Keith takes off now we also have the other two
eyewitnesses this is your buddy Shady Jerry now he's there he says that he sees two police officers he also sees
one boy take off on a motorcycle ccle and two remaining teenage boys we also have Ronnie Godwin story who basically
says about the same thing we have these two eyewitnesses that state that they see police officers beating up kids and
throwing them in the back of a vehicle mhm now through these statements one thing that we learn we do learn who
these officers are because of descriptions given as well as names given during some of these statements
and these officers are Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane and they work for the palaski county sheriff's office so now we got
more we got more characters here well let's just stop right there right so you know look some sometimes I get you know
hate mail saying we don't need a recap hey sometimes we do there's a lot going on right now so here it is these boys go
out to the woods we're assuming that maybe instead of hunting that they're trying to get in on a drop so that they
possibly could get the drugs maybe sell the drugs who knows yeah they're going to do a Robin Hood move they they've
they've identified some bad guys they found a way that they could make some money off of this they're going to
intercept these drugs and sell them off to their friends right and again they're
16 and 17 so I think some of it is just like you you make some weird decisions I
don't even want to say bad decisions you sometimes it's just a weird decision so
anyways they go out there they're some kind of Confrontation they jet they leave mhm then they meet up with their
friends so now they're back at the store and there's three of them and then guess
who rolls up the police officers now what we do know is if Dan Harmon was there that you know he's a prosecutor or
he becomes a prosecutor after this event he knows people of power he's in a position of power and if he's the big-
time drug dealer he is a position of power right and he probably has people working for him within the system and
out of the system and so it's not like you know if these cops did what the eyewitnesses claim that they did they
were working for Dan Harmon yes you're exactly right and what what takes place here we don't know we can't figure out
if the police officers if these two Sheriff officers if they intended to kill the boys if they were told to kill
the boys but they were certainly told to go out and catch these boys right know go find these guys that that stumbled
upon our our operation here and bring them back to me you know they bring these boys back to the tracks and at
that point this is where Charlene Wilson's statement carries through stating that one of the boys was dead by
that time probably the one that was you know beat in the face yes he was he was hit in the face with with the either the
gun or a telephone a receiver or both and it could have been as simple as the orders were bring these guys back to me
and then when they tried to apprehend these boys it got out of control because the boys knew what they're going to head
back to right they're heading back to a a drug boss and if you don't know much about it all you then would know is
Hollywood mhm so then you have to deal with the images of you have from Hollywood right so you'd be scared out
of your mind so you're going to fight for your life the boys are then brought back to the tracks and according to
Charlene Wilson that's when the second boy is killed um whether it be from Keith mccal or whether it be from her
stabbing him but then they place the boys on the tracks so that their bodies are destroyed and all the evidence would
be destroyed as well well that's five key players in this and I would I would say you know to me that all five of
those players are involved in the death yeah yeah right yeah yeah there there's some moving Parts here that that we
don't have um we don't have a solid statement that locks them into this timeline for the entirety of the
timeline because we have this Keith mccal he's a bit of a he's a bit of a rogue situation here right Captain we
don't know if he was actually at the tracks from the start to the finish of this because there is a statement that
says that Keith Cooney had went and and told Keith mccal what he had seen at the
tracks and that he had fled from some police officers and that mcal then went down to the railroad tracks the only
person that states that mcal was there is Wilson who says that she didn't see him until the time that the boys were
brought back right so my question here is I got a little bit of a question with this m mcal but you're exactly right
these are the five key players but you know did he only show up for the second portion of this mhm or was he one of the
three men that Tom new house saw on the tracks because the situation I think is what what was more likely is that both
of those officers might have been there with this Larry Rochelle and Dan Harmon as a form of protection for this drop
you know maybe you leave one officer in the car because new house only saw three
guys on the tracks you leave one guy in the car to keep it as a lookout and the other officer walks along with you as a
form of prote that's the only that makes sense to me other than maybe they can't make a radio
call saying these two guys interrupted our our drop go catch our drug deal our drug drop yeah right so I don't know I
don't know if Keith mccal was actually involved in the murder or if he stumbled upon it later and then was terrified
because he was dealing drugs for Dan Harmon and didn't want to throw him under the bus because Dan Harmon had a
lot of a lot of stuff on him well and on top of that you just you have two dead bodies you're going to go run in your
mouth after you saw you know two dead bodies MH so even if you didn't get there till after they're
dead then at that point you're you're maybe not talking because you're well he he wouldn't be talking if he's dealing
for Dan Harmon is my guess if he's working for Dan Haron as a drug dealer right but some people are drug
dealers and not murderers right and that's that's why I'm bringing up Keith mccal because I don't I'm not convinced
that he was there for the actual murder of these boys right I'm stating that it very clear he could have just stumbled
upon the end result while the men were still there and because he was dealing drugs for Dan Harmon and he was caught
up in this drug ring he didn't come forward with information well and maybe it sounds stupid you know
but you got five adults here got two teenage boys that like I said making a weird decision maybe a dumb decision you
know ultim ultimately they paid the price for it mhm you know we're going to go out into the woods if it wasn't just
for hunting if it was to disrupt a drug drop then that that's a very bad decision you know yeah um if you're just
going out and hunting wrong place at the wrong time right mhm and uh you saw some
things that you shouldn't have seen but it seems like there's a lot of weight that they were planning to do this but
they're teenage boys 16 and 17 years old and you got these adults that are some in the system some
out of the system and they're just doing it for [ __ ] money anyways right and so and and I and maybe these guys like I
said there's a big difference between a drug dealer and a murderer but then once
these guys thought they were caught they had to do something about these boys and they and they chose I think to
murder them or knock them unconscious cuz the one that was beat in the face could have you know you know drifted off
into a coma for all we know and then they lay him on the tracks doesn't matter that there's a train coming he's
not waking up from that you know and they might not have been fully dead by the time the trains hit them I I think
it's most likely that they were but either way it's murder oh yeah yeah and and I agree with
you I think it's most likely that they were in fact dead when they were play placed on the tracks we have Wilson's
statement Charlene Wilson statement saying that she believed both boys to be dead when they were placed on the tracks
this also goes along with something we talked about in the first episode with the EMTs what they what they thought
about the blood as well as the train crew who were Avid Hunters that when they saw the blood of these boys it was
not bright red it was not flowing this Blood wasn't you know had they been killed while they were unconscious on
the tracks their their heart would would have been pumping seconds before they were run over this would have caused the
blood to flow this would have me more blood evidence everywhere at that scene there was a lot less blood than anybody
with a trained eye expected to see and it also was not the color that they expected to see it was purplish in color
it did not look to be fresh blood right so we have these five adults but we also
have these people like I said of power people that are in the system and that's what's so crazy because then you know
once they rule it at accidental death which is probably ruled at accidental death because of the people that Dan
Harmon knew right and so they can get this ruling and then all of a sudden when it when all this new information
starts coming to light and we're going to bring it in front of grand jury guess what lawyer volunteers his Services he
rises to the occasion and he throws himself in the middle of the investigation not only throws himself in
there but he's going to be being the guy that's steering and directing the grand
jury and on top of that he has the power he's going to use the grand jury like his own set of bodyguards going
basically run a racketeering operation and a blackmailing operation through this grand jury he can now subpoena
whoever he wants in the area bring them in for questioning submit them to questions to find out what they know
what they do or don't know who they've talked to and he can he can sift through the dirt man he can sift through the
dirt and see what Rises to the top to find out what people know and maybe who he needs to shut up right but who's this
lawyer's name well this is Dan Harmon right right once a prosecutor twice a prosecutor but clearly always a drug
dealer and always a douche Cano and he's got two sheriffs at least two sheriffs that we know of that are on the take
he's got drug dealers working for him he's created his own little web his own little operation and he's done it all
under the watchful eye of of the local police well and I've never heard of a story where okay one accidental death
you know that's what it's they claim it's AEL Dental death oh it's not now we got to bring it to trial who brings it
to trial Dan Haron years later who's one of the number one suspects in the actual
murder Dan Harmon MH I've never heard of that ever I mean it's freaking mindblowing and we're just get we're
just getting warmed up I mean I mean we should call part part three of four should just be called death death that's
what it should be called yes we certainly got so much more to get to we'll get to that next week we got more
evidence we got more crimes being committed we're just getting started right what's our recommended reading for
the week recommended reading this week I'm excited about this one Captain it's called Dark spell surviving the sentence
uh this is by one of my favorite and I believe one of the very best True Crime authors out there there Mara Leverett in
this story dark spell it's about Jason Baldwin most of you will know him from the West Memphis 3 uh she's written
about them before this is kind of continuing on in the case so if you're like me and you always want to read more
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little trouble okay so all we do is we we have a host and then our host sends it to iTunes and sometimes it's just
been coming up that there's an error sometimes we get it sometimes it's a download error we're not really for sure
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it's it's very frustrating and it it basically keeps me up a bunch of times but also every time that we at a episode
MH uh it knocks off uh normally West Memphis 3 part one mhm and so I have to go back in and add it and
sometimes I forget to so when it disappears it's because I forgot to and just give me a day or so and I'll fix it
yeah the the pro we a we apologize for the troubles and for the frustration but it's just equally as frustrating on our
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By all accounts, the engineer did a masterful job of bringing his train to a stop. It had taken a screaming, screeching half mile. By the time the engine shuddered to a standstill, Conductor Jerry Tomlin was on the radio notifying an approaching train on a parallel track to stop because some boys had been run over. He also called the dispatcher. "Have you got injuries?" The dispatcher asked. "No," Tomlin said. "We've got death." -From "The Boys on the Tracks" by Mara LeverittTonight we discuss the case that many wanted to keep quiet. Two teenagers are run over by a train in the middle of the night. Was it an accident, a double suicide or a double murder? Join us in the garage for the tragic story of the boys on the tracks.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the murders of Don Henry and Kevin Ives, implicating local law enforcement and drug trafficking in their deaths.

Key points

Predicting the Unpredictable. Can surgeons use a patient's own anatomy to create 3D printed organ models?
The Boys on the Tracks Case. Two boys were found dead on train tracks, leading to a controversial investigation.
A Shift in Investigation. A grand jury's findings lead to a second autopsy, changing the cause of death.
Witness Accounts. Witnesses recount seeing police officers involved in the boys' deaths.
Witness Testifies About Dan Harmon. Charlene Wilson reveals her past relationship with Dan Harmon and his drug use.
Confession of a Drug Drop. Charlene Wilson recounts a drug drop that led to the boys' deaths.

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