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crime all right before we get too deep into this thing here Captain I want to go through a few notes regarding well
let's call them updates regarding some of the characters that we have spoke of yesterday and last week um you know we
did Cover a lot of ground over the last three shows a lot to talk about with the
boys on the tracks here and yesterday you know with all those mysterious deaths and Mis dealings going on we kind
of a little bit all over the place but we had to do them in an order that made sense to us as far as the way these
people were dying and when they were dying off um but yesterday we did fail to mention
that one more of the eyewitnesses the night that the boys were on the tracks uh is dead as well uh this is Tom new
house uh he was the guy remember the boy that was in the bushes he was out with friends claim that he was looking for
marijuana plants and happened to see teenagers on the tracks with several men uh one of those men he identified as Dan
Haron and he knew Dan Harmon because Dan Harmon at one time had dated his mother
so MH very obvious that he would be able to uh identify him well he one thing that we didn't talk about you know
because he didn't come forward until 1993 and there there are some questions you know how legit is this story you
know he comes forward six years after the fact well when he comes forward with the story now at the time the local
investigators didn't put a whole lot of weight into his story so the FBI brings in Tom new house and they they conduct
two lie detector tests with him and he passes both of them uh to the point where they want to put him in the
witness protection program and they actually do so and that's why you find that when you look early back in this
case and you're trying to investigate what's going on his name is actually not not submitted in a lot of those reports
because he was in the witness protection program at some point he decides that he
no longer wants to participate in that program but he stands by what he saw that night and his account of what he
saw that night um unfortunately I he's currently deceased and I I'm not aware I couldn't figure out how he died I'm
guessing it might be natural causes because obviously with all these other mysterious deaths we have some reporting
on those situations let's discuss some of the key characters that weren't murdered uh well we have Charlene Wilson
um remember we had said she's the eyewitness to Harmon being at the tracks as well
remember we said she was locked up this was probably a method to hush her up uh the details of that are she was
convicted of a firsttime drug offense and because she was prosecuted by Dan Harmon she received a 31-year sentence
which absolutely seems very ridiculous to me for a firsttime drug offense but anyway in 1999 Arkansas Governor Mike
Huckabee um he ended up reducing her sentence uh which did make her El eligible for parole which she was then
granted so she's she's since been out of prison for that extremely long sentence
that she received from Dan Harmon so they corrected the situation as best that they could as for
Public Enemy Number One Dan Harmon uh in June 1st of 1997 the former prosecuting
attorney Dan Harmon was found guilty of five of 11 federal felony charges MH including racketeering by he he used his
office to get drugs and money uh so this is one racketeering conviction as well as a guilt as guilty verdicts on three
counts of extortion and one count of possession with the intent to distribute marijuana and just quickly I mean this
this is key evidence to back up everything that most people are speculating about this boys on the track
case yeah and and to further that thought uh the family and the Henry family they both said that they've kind
of reduced themselves to believing that they're never really going to get Justice for their sons yeah which is sad
but but they believe that Dan Harmon being convicted of other nefarious activity that this kind of it vindicates
them a little bit and it and it for them it at least backs up their beliefs and all their hard work that they've done
trying to push their son's cases going forward yeah cuz he end up going to jail for a couple years and then he was
released and then he actually went back to jail well so so on that first charge on that first bout of charges he got I
believe a 10-year sentence on those charges uh but you're right he he serves his jail time he gets released and then
a few years after that he does get arrested again and February 19th 2010 he is arrested on felony drug charges but
we do have to be fair here Captain the state's case in this situation was pretty weak this was really a he said
she said type of case looking for a conviction strictly where your only evidence is the testimony of an admitted
drug addict uh she claimed that she had bought drugs from Dan Harmon he was acquitted of those charges by a jury of
his peers well it seems like there's a little more to that story do you want to hear some of the details regarding those
indictments against Dan Harmon from the first battle charges cuz I don't mind spending a couple minutes to rub his
faing the mud a little bit here uh according to one indictment uh Deval and Harmon uh Deval was his wife at the time
they had broke into the task force evidence locker and stole cocaine uh so that was that's one of the details there
uh and another one of the acts um listed as retaliation against a witness this deals with oh really yeah this deals
with Harmon's May 1996 assault on Arkansas Democrat Gazette Benton bureau chief Rodney Bowers right so Bowers is
basically a reporter and he's reporting all the bad [ __ ] that Harmon's doing and
then it pisses Harmon off so he attacks him yeah yeah he he goes up to Harmon trying to get a comment for an article
and Harmon physically attacks the reporter right and we've we've heard this multiple times with these
investigators claiming hey we started digging into some stuff with you know Don Henry's case and uh Kevin ives's
case and right when we started doing that guess who starts making threats mhm I mean Dan Harmon was a I believe a
cokehead and a and a real real douchebag well in another incident described in the indictment a woman named Tina Davis
traveled to Arkansas from Indiana to deliver $10,000 to her husband who had been arrested in Saline County on
marijuana charges when she arrived the indictment says Harmon advised Davis that her husband would not be be
released unless she went and got more money the husband was then later released for
$10,000 and the couple was forced to sign a disclaimer saying that the two had been arrested with the money in hand
and they had no claim to it see I mean that that stuff is just so shady well in another extortion case an indictment
alleges that Harmon took money for releasing defendant from custody or reducing the charges that they faced in
state drug cases uh I think I think the Arkansas times summed it up the best when they they had this and and quote it
is hard to imagine how much damage Dan Harmon did during the years he held office as prosecutor cases that should
have been prosecuted were not cases that should not have been prosecuted no doubt
were I think they summed it up best well so we have Harmon which like I said is a
douchebag but now we have his partner Garrett yes his sidekick Richard Garrett the the attorney that pushed for Harmon
to become the special appointed prosecutor well some years after the Kevin Ives and Don Henry murders uh
Garrett sold his home and he moved away well sometime after the new homeowner had been living there for some time he
discovered a secret room in the basement that contained what he believed to be a
drug lab the new homeowner reported this to the local sheriff's office and he was
told to take the items to the local dump and just get rid of them uh he explains
to the sheriff that he didn't want to have these items in his vehicle and potentially get pulled over with you
know drug rated items in his car and so the Sheriff's Office offered to escort him to the the dump to get rid of these
things now at the time that homeowner was unaware of who the previous homeowner was right you know he didn't
know about the murder case he wasn't from around there and he didn't know Richard Garrett's involvement in this
actual case I haven't heard from this guy in a while I mean I call I write he never returns my calls uh what's going
on with my good buddy FY well yeah FY Malik the medical examiner that deserves to have been locked up in my opinion uh
they should have shot him in the kneecaps but instead in 1991 uh Dr Malik was promoted he he got
a new job congratulations good for you and uh he was promoted to become a consultant for the Arkansas Health
Department so um apparently when you're just horrible at your job and you you lie and purger yourself in Trials then I
guess you can just uh get promoted time and time again so one needs to start asking themselves a question how does
all this stuff go down in such a small County in Arkansas right mhm well this is all
connected to an airport yes yeah so let's talk about a small place in Western Arkansas called Mina it's about
160 mil west of Little Rock it's a tiny town that has been the local for persistent reports of drug smuggling gun
running and money laundering mhm there's been a number of allegations that have been made about the use of mina which is
the Intermountain municipal airport as a CIA drop point in largescale cocaine trafficking uh this beginning in the
1980s several local state and federal investigations have taken place in relation to these allegations yeah and a
lot of people believe that these operations were set up by the Reagan Administration yeah the topic has
received some press coverage uh and these include allegations of awareness participation or maybe even a cover up
involving prominent figures such as Ronald Reagan Bill Clinton George HW Bush and of course Saline County
prosecutor Dan Harmon this is where another name comes to light Barry seal yes Barry seal was a name that we
mentioned yesterday he was a Gunrunner drug trafficker and covert CIA operative he was murdered in a hail of bullets by
the mellan cartel Hitman outside of a Salvation Army shelter in Baton Rouge Louisiana um a lot of the stuff that
started in Mina started in the 80s uh this was when seal based his aircraft at Mina's Inter Mountain Regional Airport
mhm seal was employed by the mellan cartel as a pilot and Drug Smuggler he transported numerous shipments of
cocaine from Colombia to the United States and earned a good deal of coin doing so after successful runs into his
home base in Louisiana he moved operations to the infamous airport facility in Mina Arkansas there he
bought sold and operated many airplanes this included the c123 transport plane supplied to him by the US drug enforce
enforcement agency right so let's get this straight he's working for the CIA M he's also working for a drug cartel yes
so he's he's playing both sides of the fence yeah he's doing double duty and and I tell you what we you know you can
look into this thing it this is this portion of of what's going on in Arkansas is very cumbersome it's
extremely cumbersome if you if you there's things out there that you can watch you can listen you can read about
uh it's pretty well reported even though a lot of people say I've never heard of
this but like we said yesterday people in Arkansas have known about this for 30 years right um it's come up it came up
in the late 80s quite a bit in the national news and it came up again in the early 90s this would be when Clinton
was taking over moving into the White House um but both times it comes up in the national news it kind of quickly
dies down and and attention is diverted elsewhere to other scandals and other other news it's receiving more attention
at the time which normally happens when our government's involved yeah so you know I think I think the thing here is
we can we can break down the generalization of what was going on so so this guy Barry seal is he's running
drugs he's flying drugs into the US and making a whole bunch of money doing so right he gets busted okay they catch on
to what he's doing and he goes to the DEA and to the CIA and says look you know I've been doing this successful for
quite some time how about I turn on some of these people that I'm working for I'll testify against them and I could I
could go to work for you guys right and they're like okay cool you know and they
go to the judge and they basically say look he's willing to work with us he's willing to work with the federal
government and help us in some things that we need help with so they reduce his sentence and eventually he does go
to work for these people um and now you know there are people out there that are
going to say no he never worked for them well I can tell you this that after he died the IRS went after a lot of money
they believe he had right they wanted listen to this number they wanted to charge him $86 million and back taxes
yes that's a that's a that's a whole that's a whole lot of Rolling Papers that's a lot of drugs he was
transporting yeah somebody estimated that he may have moved anywhere between 3 and5 billion doar of cocaine into this
country well basically he was the drug version of Frank Aban and for those who don't know how Frank Aban is might have
seen the movie Catch Me If You Can it was a guy that was doing a bunch of bank fraud and instead of just you know
sending him to jail they said hey why don't you come work for us MH you'll be basically on I think lifetime probation
basically right so what happens here is the that's Frank Aban not abali so after
he's busted he's now working for the CIA and the CIA wants to there's a there's a
civil war going on in in Central America at the time and basically our government
figured out that okay team a is the good guys and Team B is the bad guys so we want to help team
a win this Civil War because it will benefit us well our Congress and the americ right but hold on but that
doesn't make them the good team it just makes the team that we're going to use no no no I'm just saying what the
thinking was at the time it's not definitive who was the good guy or the bad guy what I'm saying is that our
Congress and the American people said no we're not going to get involved in this
we're not going to help either side well basically our government said you know what we're going to we're going to P in
the interest of National Security we're going to help this one side anyway and so they are running guns and running
parts of guns to this country and they employ somebody like Barry seal to do so because he has this big plane that he's
running out of the Mina airport and he's this is a c123 it basically looks like an army cargo plane you know one of
those big heavy planes now he had made modifications to the planes that he was running so that he could travel extended
distances without stopping for more fuel he's basically rigging up these planes right um which is not cheap to do so
I'll tell you that the thing is here he he I kind of found this funny he nicknamed his plane the fat lady uh so
he was basically flying guns to or parts of guns to Nicaragua mhm and well he has
to fly back home right but why would you why waste the whole empty plane you don't want to have a big empty plane
when you're flying all the way back home on the government's dime do you right so
so he's taking the free ride back and he's loading up the plane with drugs and bringing them back into the country and
making a whole bunch of money Barry seal was not not the only guy doing this there were other people doing this there
were other people that were working for the CIA in the Mina area doing different
things regarding uh CIA CIA operations right that were kept on the lowdown now it's been reported by by at least one
pilot that he believed that there were multiple Pilots that were not bringing back empty planes into the United States
and they were bringing drugs into the states yeah it seems these Pilots saw opportunity and they took it to make a
little extra cash yeah you have I mean you have some people saying that we we the US government may have been trading
guns for drugs uh you know there's certainly been investigations that have brought forth some speculation of such I
I can't say that I saw enough evidence out there to say that that's what was going on um but I what I think here is
probably more likely is that you had a few people taking advantage of a situation and trying to make themselves
millionaires out of something that they were doing for the government yeah and oddly enough this is the time in history
where the Reagan Administration is going it's It's A War on Drugs MH right and but but our government is the one
bringing the drugs into the country possibly if you believe the speculation this whole thing of course you know any
time you have these controversies or things that are brought to light that's going on that we may not be aware of or
we're told is not happening you know of course this does always create a lot of finger pointing so in this situation you
have the Republicans pointing toward Bill Clinton and saying you know what this happened at a facility and your
jurisdiction uh how could you let this happen you're a terrible terrible person and then you have the Democrats saying
the same about the Republicans going you know what well this happened during the
Reagan Administration right and it was the this operation by the CIA CIA was the brainchild of George Bush and so
therefore the Republicans are horrible people in the end you know that finger pointing doesn't go anywhere it doesn't
do anything to solve the actual problem furthermore you we had investigations going down regarding this
situation the problem was that these investigations couldn't get anywhere because when they tried to approach it
from the federal level well the federal government basically said it's an Arkansas problem and then when you try
to go to the state level and present it to the governor to to Bill Clinton then he says no this is a federal case you
know so it's not only is there finger pointing both ways as far as uh as far as different politics goes but also
passing the blame at the end of the day well and I called Bill Clinton yesterday
I called I don't know if I called him a [ __ ] stain but there there's a lot look
a lot of my feelings towards him are based on on other information about other cases that I've researched so
that's why I believe he's a [ __ ] stain um and as far as the Reagan and the War
on Drugs it wasn't a War on Drugs it's it was a war on inner city black people is what it was and that's all I got to
say about that well it this sounds like a lot of stuff that you know that we're just kind of throwing out there but
that's not the case at all uh you know like I said there's been investigations done on this there were several uh
newspapers and magazines covering this in the 80s and the early 90s it didn't really go anywhere but we know how these
things kind of get swept under the rug the situation here though is you know we know that Barry seal was by his own
admissions was was bringing drugs into the country he he even kind of bragged about how much money he was making doing
this and I'm going to say this is this is going to sound a little weird but Barry seal I don't I don't know if if
many people know who he is um but there are you can find interviews and things with him on on the internet he's to me
he's one of those guys you know when you when you're watching a movie and there's
like for some reason there's a villain that you're kind of like secretly pulling for a little bit you know I mean
like you kind of like the villain a little bit um I I think Barry seal was a bad dude I think he he took advantage of
a lot of people and a lot of situations um I think he did it solely for uh for financial reasons right uh the thing is
though he's one of these kind of of charismatic guys you know there's a there's an interview he was doing where
he's talking about himself and he says you know you know I grew up in Baton Rouge and maybe for a lot of people uh
an exciting life for them is is working 9 to-5 going to the the LSU football game on Saturday night and then waking
up going to church on Sunday maybe that that works for other people he says you know that's not exciting to me he
exciting to me is putting myself in potentially lifethreatening situations over and over again but but we know
Captain you know sometimes people go into the field of being a pilot because they enjoy the adrenaline of it they're
Adrenaline Junkies right but become a firefighter become a police officer become a a soldier become a Navy SEAL
and do something productive with your life but what you were my friend was somebody that was greedy about money and
you decided to take advantage of the system on both sides of the fence and then you're running drugs and how many
murders took place because of those drugs right you're exactly and so yeah so you my friend are a [ __ ] stain well
and the thing with seal here is we know that this happened and and I can point to why we know that it happened because
remember we talked about the CIA investigation I'm sorry the IRS investigation into Barry seal wanting to
charge him after he died for all these back taxes well the CIA and the DEA did come forward to the IRS and said you
know what well you can't charge him for these blocks of time because he was working for us during that time right so
so you can't charge him for back taxes regarding that okay so what does all this mean well here's what it means is
that not far from where the boys were right let's get back to the boys not far from them is is this Mena airport where
drugs were coming into drugs and guns were coming into and the reports of planes stopping short of the airport
landing by the train tracks making drops that all happened with Dan Harmon what happens with Dan Harmon oh he's caught
selling drugs running drugs so all that part of the story is true MH so if you believe so if you didn't believe that
part there's your proof on top of that so we know why the the boys we we don't know why the boys were out there whether
they were hunting whether they're trying to spy maybe they were trying to intercept the drugs we're not for sure
but we do know that they were out there at the same time that a drug drop was happening MH so we know that is true and
if we believe that to be true then we believe that these boys were murdered they were put on the tracks all these
eyewitnesses that saw things and talked then we're killed to cover this up that's what we know that's the well and
the thing furthermore on that point is that you have to have boots on the ground in this type of operation so you
got Barry seal bringing drugs into the country you have another pilot that was working for the CIA saying that he
believed that multiple Pilots were doing this that Barry seal was the kind of the
big fish he was the fat lady like he named his airplane right and the thing is you have to have boots on the ground
because you can bring drugs into this country it doesn't get you anywhere financially unless you can sell them to
somebody and and once you sell them to somebody then you have to launder that money so now you have all these little
local corruptive things going on at the same time all right so I think we're to the point where we should just really
kind of dive into our thoughts and feelings on this matter and let's do that right after this quick beer
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okay now Captain we need to put our thoughts on what actually happened that night
1987 in Bryant Arkansas well I just want to First say hey thanks to all the listeners right because this is a you
know for parter it's a whale of a case probably the biggest case that we've done um just with the Mena airport stuff
we probably could have just with that whole drug running and gun running conspiracy we probably could have went
on for four hours about that me and you are not super fascinated by that portion
of this case no I'm not going to lie I doing the research on the Mena portion of this and we would be remiss if we
didn't bring it up because it's certainly part of this case is some part right but the the problem here is it it
it was a cumbersome portion of the investigation in this case it it's it's huge you could spend weeks some people
have spent years trying to figure out that whole situation uh I found it to be the research portion of that to be
rather boring to to be completely honest with right and I think our main thing was you know when you have a s you know
16 and 17-year-old uh teenage boys uh we can relate to that and being those age and being males ourselves and to want to
kind of explore what the heck's going on and I think that's the part that we were
more fascinated with yeah so now uh Garage Thoughts with your host Nick and the captain yeah with Jack Handy uh how
about you start so we get the good intelligent stuff first because you know my stuff will probably not make well
that's setting that's setting the bar a little high but I think you hit the nail
on the head there Captain so this this case for us was about Don Henry and Kevin IES about those two boys being
murdered and then it being called an accident you know this case I didn't know anything about the Mena portion of
this case to be honest with you until several months ago now I knew about the boys on the tracks case from way back
when when we were kids they they featured this case on Unsolved Mysteries I believe it was in the first season
maybe the second but it was it was it was ages ago and that's streaming now somewhere a lot of listeners were saying
you got to check this out it's like hey if if you listen to the show we're big fans of you know Unsolved Mysteries
we've seen it mhm well and there's some things that they talk about I went back and watched that episode and there's
some things that they talked about in there that we didn't really address yet there was some leads at the time of a um
a man in camouflage fatigues actually well let me let me get this right because there's a couple different
stories here there's one story of a man wearing a camouflage jacket having shot at police there's another story that's
almost identical with the exception of they say in military fatigues which to me camouflage jacket military fatigues
means a very different uh uniform or outfit that this person was wearing now the thing here is I I when looking into
this case you got to follow the leads that was that might have been a lead back then it's not a current lead today
because we know of all these other confessions of all these eyewitness statements that have come out after the
fact mhm the thing here is Captain I I want to kind of talk about this in a sense that it is I'm going to use the
trickle down effect okay because what I think really happened here as far as Mena is concerned is that we we have a
situation where yes our government was probably doing some stuff that wasn't all on the up and up were they trading
guns for drugs I'm not willing to 100% agree with that I saw more evidence of these these people doing this on their
own own these Pilots doing this on their own where they were taking advantage of
a situation now we brought up Barry seal now the thing here is Barry seal was he
was murdered and dead before Kevin Ives and Don Henry were killed that night he was killed about a year beforehand why
do we bring him up because we know he admittedly came forward and said this is what I'm doing you know and we so we if
we believe Barry seal this is absolutely going on and this is absolutely happening now I believe that they were
running lots of drugs into the Arkansas area using these airplanes and the thing
here is like I said before you have to have boots on the ground you can't turn that drugs into money without somebody
on the ground selling it and distributing that that product for you the problem here is the trickle down
effect when you when you have people at a high level maybe doing some things that aren't completely on the up and up
you know when you set out to do something that that might not be 100% right sometimes you find yourself then
doing other things that you never set out to do that are completely wrong too to cover up that first misdeed MH and I
think that we see a situation here where that started at the top and it worked its way into a very bad area and the
thing regarding Reagan regarding Bush or Clinton do I think that they had some involvement in this yes yes I do I think
I think that they this was an operation that they were aware of I don't believe I want to not believe that they were
fully aware of all the drugs that were coming into the the country as a result of what they were doing um the thing
here is though you have to have people in somewhat of power you can't have a bunch of thugs on the ground moving this
product for you they had to have some kind of security in doing what they were doing the these are barry seal is not
just going to go out and do something like this people that are cohorting with him are not just going to go out and do
something like this and then put millions of dollars of drugs into the hands of street thugs it's just not
going to happen and I think what we had here Captain is that we have Dan Harmon somebody that that was a person that
carried a certain amount of power he had a certain amount of Leverage on everybody some of that was because of
positions that he held within the county some of that was because he was dealing
drugs at a high level to these other people and you know I I once had a a man tell me that that sometimes in some
situations law enforcement is nothing but a bunch of thugs or a bunch of gangsters with a badge and I think in
this situation we see that we see that with the two officers that we spoke of Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane I think that
they were Dan Harmon's bodyguards they were his muscle because they could use their toughness as not just their
toughness in in Brute Force but their toughness because they carry a badge and their Authority and they misus their
Authority the same way that Dan Harmon did right and we support fully support law enforcement that believes in the
oath of Serve and Protect yes and I think what happened here Captain I think we have a situation Dan Harmon as I said
I believe he's he's no better than your average Street Thug M he's probably even
worse because he has the authority to cover things up and do unspeakable things and get away with them the thing
here is I I I peg him as a drug user I peg him as a hardcore drug user that probably used drugs with other people
and Power in the area and at some point he realized you know what I can turn this little this little fun drug thing
that I got going on I can turn this into a business and I have the authority to do so and he recruited these officers to
get his back and what happened was we have a we yes I believe there was a drug drop I believe that Dan Harmon was there
to get that drug drop now the thing here is do we do we have a situation where you know there was rumor maybe Kevin IES
and Don Henry were were you know privy to this information and that they went out there and had possibly stolen a
previous drop mhm and intended to steal an additional drop and that Dan Harmon and his goons were out there that night
to keep an eye on their product and they were going to use whatever Force necessary if they caught who they
believe believed was was stealing their drugs now the thing here is when you're doing bad things and you're doing Shady
things you're working with other Shady characters there's a good chance I don't believe Kevin Ives and Don Henry went
and stole that drug drop I don't think so I don't even think it was their intention to go out that night and steal
whatever was being dropped from the sky I think you have a situation where you got a bunch of bad people working
together doing bad things that are illegal you can't report this all my drugs came up missing who you g to go
and tell that to nobody cares the thing here is you could have had a guy you could have had a pilot in the plane that
said yeah dude yeah Harmon I made that drop what you didn't pick that up that's your fault right he could have just kept
the damn drugs himself or you could have Harmon who who got the drugs and said you know what this [ __ ] was stolen from
me I I can't pay it up I can't pay up to you because I didn't have the product to
sell yet yet he went out and sold the product anyway we know these things happen on a day daily basis on a much
smaller level we'd be foolish to think that they don't happen at a high level I think that the boys were aware that
something was going on I don't think they had a full understanding of what it is right I think that they were
teenagers being teenagers I think that they were curious about what was going on whiskers and I believe Don Henry felt
very comfortable in those woods I I feel like he often went out at night with his
parents' permission out on these night hunting trips sometimes by himself and he probably told his buddy you know cuz
they're at the age where they're discovering drugs we know that they were smoking some marijuana they didn't smoke
20 joints they it's it's actually estimated that they smoked more like one to two maybe even three at a stretch
they were found with marijuana in their pockets so they were they were open to this whole new scene that they're
discovering in their in their Hometown and I think they were curious as to what was going on I don't think they were
going around the week of looking for cocaine or looking to become cocaine dealer
I think that that's all kind of just things that coincidence it's just happen stance the there might be rumors I think
they were out looking for marijuana I think it was a very innocent thing that they were out doing and they stumbled
across the wrong people I wouldn't be surprised if Dan Harmon believed that these boys ripped him off or even even
push that aside now these boys are witness to something and maybe he thinks they were out there trying to steal his
drugs and I think that his goons Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane I don't think that they ever agreed to help move drugs
or or be The Bodyguard for Dan Harmon with the intention that they thought at some point they would be killing people
I think that they chased down these boys I think it got out of hand they used they used brute force on these on these
poor kids and unfortunately the kids probably fought back these guys don't strike me as is the type that would not
defend themselves and I think it got out of hand very fast and I think one of them died and I think it I think Kevin
Ives probably died first and they may have killed the other boy simply to cover that up because at some point
right this you know when you set out to do something bad and just to make a little bit of money and you think it's
all going to be good it's this is a victimless crime it's going to hurt nobody I I know people that want drugs I
know how to get drugs I can make money and make these people happy at the same time this isn't going to get out of hand
no one day you wake up and you realize that you're up to your eyeballs in this [ __ ] and you freak out and something
bad happens and I think that's what happened that night now to further this though they went above and beyond to
cover this up why because there happened to be so many people that actually knew
the truth about what had happened that night that this thing got out of hand these boys were killed they were thrown
on the tracks there were people that witnessed it there were people people that told other people what they had
seen what they had heard there were people involed involved in the drug trade in the local area I think this was
a thing that started off bad in some Mis dealings at the very top and it trickled
down and the further it got down it got darker deeper a little more evil to the point where it got out of hand so most
of this blame lies with Dan Harmon and his goons in my opinion these were the truly evil people involved in this
situation the unfortunate and well unfortunate is not the right word the the extremely disappointing portion of
this for me is that I do believe that there are higher members of society at higher levels in the Arkansas area that
probably turned a blind eye to this thing they kind of looked the other way and they didn't want to believe that
something terrible was going on and and by doing nothing ultimately in my eyes they did something wrong
um I think this FY Malik guy is a terrible dude I think I think that he held B I think he was a guy that held a
high position that that didn't have people monitoring what he was doing or second guessing what he was doing I
think he was not qualified for that position to start off with and that that he made some fumblings and screwed some
things up and he started covering for himself and he woke up one day and he was he was eyeballs deep in the
situation too and then at some point he was either able to be bought off with either money or fear and I think that he
lied about a lot of things which ultimately made investigations go nowhere we're in a situation here where
it's been it it will be 30 years come this August that those two boys were murdered and you know what I don't think
that we're going to see any justice for those two boys I do like that the families feel somewhat Vindicated
because Dan Harmon did serve some time um there are some other people that were probably involved in this that are no
longer around we're not going to see any justice though for those two boys and that's an unfortunate situation and is
that your final thoughts uh yeah those are my final thoughts on what I think happened uh my recommendation to the
listeners out there if this is something that they want to dive more into there there there's a lot of things like we
said this is a huge case I'd recommend though researching the two incidents separately
you know I think there's enough of of things that you can read into regarding the boys on the tracks I think that
there's enough stuff that you could dive into regarding the Mina airport at the same time I wouldn't recommend looking
into both of them at the same time because it's just too much yeah it's definitely a case that I looking back on
now we did four parts but it would have been amazing series all right Captain Garage Thoughts your host the captain
yeah I don't know if we should allow ow me to speak every episode uh let's just you want to start at the top yes we'll
just start at the top I started at the top look and and look I've said it a million times it's not a political show
I'm not left or right I am normally wrong he always says that right before he gets political right uh start with
Reagan I think there was drug running I think there was gun running I think our government's normally involved in [ __ ]
we shouldn't be we should mind our own goddamn business sometimes I think because of the drug smuggling that was
coming in then they started this stupid thing called War on Drugs which was actually a war on uh inner city Black
America and if you think I'm just talking out my ass do some damn research on it and then get back with me and then
tell me I'm wrong and I actually think that there's there's actually evidence of Reagan saying hey you know we thought
the war on drug was going to be great we didn't know it was just going to give slaps on the wrist to Middle America you
know White America and that it was going to screw grew up black families for Generation to generation so uh shameful
Reagan for that but we all make mistakes I think a lot of the stuff he did was good um was never a big fan of George
Bush uh I thought he had some weird agendas then let's go to Clinton I think some of the research that I've seen on
him and this whole pedophile stuff which is a whole separate case is very shameful I think he's a [ __ ] stain uh I
think he's very you know self-centered how much greed can he have how much power can he have and I think he's done
some shady [ __ ] as far as this case goes I don't think Reagan knew anything about
it no I don't think I don't even think Bill actually knew a bunch about it no I think he knew that there was drugs
coming in to Mena airport but but I think he knew that was coming from the government mhm so how much is he
supposed to say and I and I know that the government probably knew that there was probably some drug running on the
side and we just can't do much about that because we're doing some shady [ __ ] mhm so I believe like you said at some
point these these uh Pilots had this opportunity we can make a little extra money well now we got to figure out
places to drop just so happened that this airport was close to this town MH and there was some dude there you know
named Dan Harmon that's a bad bad ombre right mhm and that's what happened it got mixed up and I don't I don't think
look I don't know if the boys were going out there to to steal drugs I mean I've
done some stupid [ __ ] when I was 16 and 17 years old I had some stupid ideas right M so I wouldn't put it past them
but even if they were you shouldn't end up dead right you know you're 16 and 17y
old kid did they fight back hopefully because look at some point you know if a if a officer
is using his powers for bad at some point defend yourself and I think that's probably what happened the other thing
that the only question that I have about that is what if one of those boys was wearing camo what if one of those boys
fired at the officer mhm they had a gun we know that but either way I think what
it came down to was those boys were dead before they were on the tracks and they
put them on the tracks to cover it up and then any that knew anything about it they they murdered and because they paid
off this guy and again I think if you're paying off FY right mhm well then FY you're a [ __ ] stain and
I hope you get an ulcer and I hope your head [ __ ] pops off and goes right up your ass that's what I hope happens uh
and then I hope that your dog crawls up your ass and eats your head that's what I hope happens if you did all this stuff
out of fear then then my hat goes off to you because I don't know what I'd do in that situation
all right there's people around you dying left and right mysterious deaths he had the ability to do something about
that though you know he he absolutely did have the ability to do something about that would it would it had caused
his own own demise possibly right uh maybe even likely one could say um well right but
it's hard to sit there and say you know well it's actually easy to say there and
say you know what I'd do the right thing right you know if people were dying around me I don't give a [ __ ] i' do the
right thing and it's like maybe you would I'd like to think I would but I have never been around a
situation where people were dying left and right MH but you know what if I did die they would have to bring in another
corner and he might not be able to get paid off and they might not be able to do anything about it on that that point
but there was all these checks and balances and I think because Dan Harmon had his hands in everybody's Pockets you
know playing a we game of pocket pool that that's why all this stuff got covered up and I think because of the
government running drugs and because of I believe Bill Clinton there's enough evidence that proves that Bill Clinton
you know it's the 80s a lot of people of power were doing cocaine mhm and so I think because of the government running
drugs in and out of men at airport their hands are almost tied where they can't they can't even go after the scumbag Dan
Harmon because what does that do to you I mean yeah they put him in jail and stuff but you got to go after him for
murder MH cuz that's what happened there's two boys that are dead 16 and 17 years old not they never got to the
point where they're old enough to vote for you know the left or the right mhm they don't have that right they didn't
they didn't make it to the age where they could drink a couple beers in the garage and talk about some crime they
they never made it to that point and their families never got to see them get to that point because of what because of
some some douchebags that wanted to make a couple extra bucks because they got into normally when you get into a
political power and a political system you're there to serve right that's your job yeah but all these people
the the paycheck was too small I don't want to just serve it's about me it's about me you know in this country you
know on a on a side rant we're all becoming a little too much me me me me and I think it's [ __ ] it's horeshit
well and it's like I said for me it starts off with Dan Harmon and other people at his level being drug users I
think that's where it starts for me is that they they were already compromised people because they were drug users they
weren't able to clearly understand or or should have clearly understood what their power meant and that they are
there to serve the people they're there to protect the communities and this drug
addiction this drug habit got in the way compromised them from the very beginning
and that's what led to him selling drugs and others in the area selling drugs and
you know if somebody asked me you know well Nick why why the hell would so many people be quiet about this well we're
not talking about you know when we say Barry seal and they estimate between 3 and 5 billion that's with a B not with
an M that's a b five three to five billion dollars that he brought into this country now he was bringing those
in through through multiple States but the thing is it we we believe other Pilots were probably doing this as well
we're not talking about $50 or $100 here or there to this guy or Joe at the local
supermarket look the other way we're talking about potentially hundreds of millions of dollars that's being spread
around because of the stuff that's being brought in and you know what guess what
you know Tim down at the grocery store I'm not asking you to do anything wrong but here's here's here's some free drugs
here's two grand I'm just asking you to say you don't know anything about the situation right I'm just asking you to
keep quiet just keep my name out your mouth and we'll be fine it's it's very frustrating I can tell by the way you're
stomping around the garage here as you gave a that that uh very angry uh Speech there but the thing is you know we set
out to we set out the mission was to set out to figure out who killed these boys
was it a murder to begin with yes we we can we established that who who killed them we both at the local level we both
agree what we think happened that night we think Dan Harmon and some other guys uh most likely Jay Campbell and Kirk
Lane were all involved in this situation and then they spent almost two years covering this thing up you know so I
think at the local level we set out to to kind of figure out what happened to these two boys we didn't set out to you
know uh correct 40 Years of the US government's foreign policy uh but regarding the boys on the tracks I think
we we we agree what happened that night right and I think at the end of the day that people have power and people of
money get away with a bunch of [ __ ] M and and I just want to take the moment to say uh you know to to Don Henry to
Kevin Ives to their family members if anybody's listening to this we we are sorry for your loss and we're sorry that
there wasn't Justice you know for you and your family and your loved ones MH all right now it's uh it's time for many
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By all accounts, the engineer did a masterful job of bringing his train to a stop. It had taken a screaming, screeching half mile. By the time the engine shuddered to a standstill, Conductor Jerry Tomlin was on the radio notifying an approaching train on a parallel track to stop because some boys had been run over. He also called the dispatcher. "Have you got injuries?" The dispatcher asked. "No," Tomlin said. "We've got death." -From "The Boys on the Tracks" by Mara LeverittTonight we discuss the case that many wanted to keep quiet. Two teenagers are run over by a train in the middle of the night. Was it an accident, a double suicide or a double murder? Join us in the garage for the tragic story of the boys on the tracks.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the murders of Don Henry and Kevin Ives, linking them to drug trafficking and local corruption in Arkansas.

Key points

The Unpredictable in Medicine. Can 3D printed life-size organ models help map out complex surgeries?
Mysterious Deaths and Eyewitnesses. A key eyewitness in a mysterious case has died, raising questions about his story.
Dan Harmon's Criminal Convictions. Former prosecutor Dan Harmon was found guilty of multiple federal felonies.
Barry Seal's Double Life. Barry Seal was a drug trafficker and covert CIA operative, playing both sides.
The War on Drugs. A critical perspective on the War on Drugs and its impact on communities.
Barry Seal's Involvement. Exploring Barry Seal's role in drug trafficking and its implications.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

He used his office to get drugs and money.

Discussion about Dan Harmon's criminal activities.

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