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[Music] crime with the Florida van ire John Brennan crutchley locked up and held
Behind Bars he is now starting his 25-year sentence as we have discussed so with him locked away what I'd like to do
now is talk about and see if we can find some other victims of John crutchley because remember we have serial killer
FBI agent expert Robert wrestler who takes a quick look at this scenario he reviews all of the crime scene photos
reviews all the evidence speaks with detectives talks with the judge and the prosecutor and he says I believe and my
expert opinion is this I believe this guy has killed before and I believe that he would do it again right so let's
cross reference some of the potential other victims of John cretchley here with maybe even using his timeline a
little to see if anything shakes loose and keep keep in mind that there were six unidentified female murder victims
that were found between January 1st 1985 and December 31st 1985 found all within
a six- mile radius of John crutchley home so the Florida vampire was in jail he was in a jail cell for only 10 of the
365 days of that year Florida law enforcement officials have placed the number of possible crutchley victims
quite high so some of them are saying the number may be as high as 32 victims wow 12 in brever County where he lived
brever County Florida and 20 potential victims out of state saying wherever crutchley lived and worked they have
found bodies that fit what serial killer experts say would fit the victimology that he desired mhm but what we know
as garage guys know is that crutchley has never been charged in a single murder now the most conservative
investigators say he killed at least four women others say the number of possible homicide victims could be more
than two dozen the victims are all thought to be young women slain during violent sexual encounters with John
cretchley detectives suspect him of kidnapping transient and hitchhikers to reach his quote ultimate dream this was
John Brennan crutchley expression for sex ending in death there was a graphic in the Florida Today
newspaper back in the day showing the east coast of the United States and possible John crutchley victims we said
earlier Florida police and outside agencies thought the number could be as high as 32 this graphic list 26 possible
crutchley victims so we'll start at the top of this graphic and it reads crutch ley's path John crutchley possible
victims from Fairfax timeline listed by name and date of death disappearance or discovery of the remains and the first
location that they point to is Pennsylvania and the victim here is unidentified with no date given now once
we get to Maryland which is next in line on this list we have multiple victims here
I believe it's 11 that is listed 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 so we have 11 victims here that
are list W he can count yeah as slow as that was that was a man counting a grown
man counting wow we're putting out a great podcast I want to yeah next week we'll
do the alphabet I want to skip over Maryland we're go let's Circle back to Maryland
here okay so Pennsylvania the the victim that they think could be linked to crutchley is unidentified there's no
date given so there's nothing really to discuss there we can't sort out if we think he is the likely perpetrator if we
don't know the victim's name nor the the date of any of the the information so next we have
Virginia Deborah Fitz John was killed in January of 1977 and we'll go through her case in
depth before we wrap up this week but also in Virginia we have two other Virginia homicides listed on this
graphic here referred to as Norfolk one and Norfolk 2 m now we know here in the garage that those two Norfolk victims
are known to be Pamela an Kimu a 23-year-old Navy messenger and Carol an molar a 21-year-old Navy clerk both
women were slain at the Norfolk Naval Air Station in 1982 and then in 1983 those are the two cases that we
discussed last week John Brennan crutchley was a suspect in both of those murders but not
until after he was arrested in Florida in 1985 Navy detectives identified crutchley as a suspect in
1987 when investigators placed him in the area at the time of the women's deaths so they state that they believe
that he was living and working in the area from approximately 1979 to 1983 remember we know that he took the
job in June of 1983 so he would have been present if his work history is the determining Factor on when he moved from
Virginia to or the Virginia area to Florida right then he would have been in Virginia during the time that both of
these murders were committed now while there he worked as a defense contractor for
TRW holding a top secret security clearance that gave him access to restricted military bases including the
Norfolk Naval Air Station but if you listen to last week's episodes you already know that we know
that he did not kill Pamela and Kimber right because DNA proved that it was somebody else
exactly but we have him being arrested and we have his DNA so we should be able to test that in the other crime I'm
hoping that they have his DNA remember he he goes to prison in 1985 yeah and I don't I every state is
different but in Ohio we didn't start collecting DNA from felons until 2010 I wouldn't be that hard to send somebody
in say hey suck my blood and then get his DNA boom match now besides those Virginia
slangs Sheriff's detectives were actively investigating crutchley in several cases in Bard
County one is Patty felinski 29 years old a Titusville woman who was last seen hitchhiking in Mims Florida on March
15th 1985 remember she's the one that they find her ID in pictures of her son in
his office yeah she's most likely a victim the other one that they were openly and actively investigating
crutchley for was a woman named Kimberly Anne Walker who was 21 years old she was
from Vero Beach whose bones were found near US1 in Malibar January 28th 1985 and then there's another woman who
was unidentified her skeletal remains were found in the same location that Kimberly
and Walker's remains were found it becomes almost a easier victim in the sense of some of these hitchhikers are
living a nomadic life so their family especially at that time period because it's just harder to communic communicate
or stay in constant communication with your loved ones if they're traveling or living that nomadic
life so I think that's why you see these serial killers try to prey on these these types of victims that is exactly
right there captain now that victim list that graphic that list was compiled in 1989 by taskforce member there there was
a John crutchley task force that was assembled and this was one of the members of the task force his name is
Andy Casey he I think they called their research The Vampire Diaries He compiled
this list along with several other police agencies so they listed 26 possible crutchley victims there but
years later we're going to get some clarification on some of those unsolved murders that were listed so although
crutchley long has been a suspect in many of the Florida and Virginia cases the Maryland slangs the experts later
would say don't seem to fit the pattern so and we see this from time to time right when when a when a unknown
serial killer is then identified located and arrested and now all of a sudden everybody's kind of shuffling and
scurrying about trying to connect every unsolved homicide to this person in the area and this guy moved around to
several different areas so we're looking basically up and down the whole East Coast what we
get captain is Montgomery County Maryland police this is a Washington suburb they
go on record saying that they strongly doubt that crutchley was involved in five of the deaths that were listed on
that timeline they refer to that victim list as the Fairfax timeline right just in case you hear me say that
term according to John crutch 's attorney he says that police theorized that crutchley killed young women that
he picked up hitchhiking by draining their blood after raping them and then dismembering them the problem with with
some of these victims on the Maryland thing they don't really fit the victimology at all so one of them was
the 1982 Maryland victim named ke Milford well this was actually a 67y old man killed by a gunshot wound to the
stomach so while they're putting together this list years later they're going well we got to kind of look at
this differently a lot of these names we understand that you put this together as a matter of haste but let's
let's let cooler heads prevail here right and really analyze these and see what we put the percentage the
likelihood that he killed these now the authorities in Maryland go on to explain
we don't even know how some of these names got onto your Fairfax timeline list because three of the Maryland
victims were actually killed months after crutchley had moved out of the area so they're saying one doesn't fit
the victimology three he he would have had to drive back home months after he had already moved down to Florida to to
have killed these three women and then in the long run let's fast forward to a couple more years because that list was
put together in what did we say 89 yeah but that's not out of the realm of possibility though right it's not but
but we also don't know what other information they have right so like like for example we know that that even
though she's not identified by name on here we know one of these potential crutchley victims is Pamela an Kimu but
we now know by science and because somebody else is locked up for life that he did not kill her right and so what I
think that we should do is point out here that there there's a likelihood that they have information to suggest
that he was not involved like one list if you look at potential Crush crutchley victims not only includes Pamela and
kimw but it also includes the lion sisters who we now know were killed by somebody else so a lot of these list I
believe were put together in a rather quick fashion and they didn't have time to
really sort it out mhm so what what we get here Captain is Montgomery County Maryland police say years later
crutchley has been ruled out as a suspect in all of the listed deaths in that state victims are listed by name
and date of death and L noted otherwise on that list and although the timeline list 11 so let's go ahead and get rid of
all those Maryland murders of the 26 that they suspected uh of 26 total throughout different states
we can now remove 11 of those so now we're down to oh we're not only counting on the show guess what we're going to do
a little bit of math for you too oh great it's a it's it's a show where you get everything it just really is and I
you know what I listened to a portion of last week's show math not so great for me sometimes not so great or pronouncing
city names or right there we go uh I or no offense but last week I think you called them Navy ladies and I I so badly
just wanted to say they are saor are they are Sailors they are officers in the Navy let's have a little more
respect for them well I was I was trying to call them I was going out of my way to call them ladies cuz I had referred
to them as Sailors otherwise you at other times so change up look I I know you lady is a term that you earn lady is
the term that you earn well anyways I know you better than most and I and I know um your respect
for the victims is of the highest standard and and I and I have a lot of respect for you because of that well on
that same list the 26 that we're discussing so push away 11 of them already now that math would tell me 15
is what we're down to and we get the brev county sheriff Jake Miller who says a couple years later that although this
list includes 11 homicides Ides from our County he's telling us we've reviewed the evidence we we know what we're
looking at here and crutchley is really only a suspect in six of the cases so now you can get rid of another five so
at best if if this list is accurate and is telling us that how many potential victims we have here you can get rid of
Pamela and kimw you can get rid of all the victims from Maryland and you can reduce the number in Florida from 11 to
5 so that whittles down that 26 very quickly but I think some of it is when we're telling these stories or people
are retelling the story they start sensationalizing these killers and at the end of the day these these guys are
scumbag losers I think that it's human behav I think it's just natural right it's it's human behavior because I think
when you go oh my word this guy is capable we we're proof positive we know for sure
this guy is capable of doing something that many many of us are not capable of I think that you you want it to you want
to go you know what there can't be that many bad guys out there there can't be many guys out there like this he has to
be responsible for a lot of this murder in Mayhem so what what are they doing about it you know it's one thing to put
make a list is another thing to put it in the newspaper talk about it on the news
but what are the authorities doing about it well down in Florida they were calling this John Brennan crutchley case
The NeverEnding investigation that's because putting John Brennan crutchley behind bars in 1986 didn't stop
investigators in brever County and in the state of Virginia from attempting to find his other victims they wanted to
prove that he was in fact a killer they wanted to lock him up for good lock him up and throw away the key and we already
pointed out that Robert wrestler an FBI expert on serial killers who has consulted with authorities on the
crutchley case he said he believed that this dude was a serial killer and probably had several victims and maybe
even had them in different states so they're running investigations on this guy periodically captain from 1985 when
he first pops onto their radar with that arrest in Florida through 1996 on and off and
these investigations are continuing in Florida and in other states as well most of these investigative efforts from my
understanding centered on hoping to locate the bodies of possible victims and finding
trophies this would be victim's belongings such as identification cards and jewelry right and they they believe
that that is the remember what the one Detective said he probably got rid of a bunch of evidence but for whatever
reason he could not get rid of that driver's license of his rape victim and so they were hoping that he
would have shown that in other cases with other victims and remember they found a lot of women's jewelry in the
house and who knows what he got rid of in that trash bag now when they interview his wife his wife says no no
no that's all my jewelry well yeah I don't I'd like to see receipts lady yeah and this has becomes
a problem also with the investigation cuz what what do we know about the confirmed victim right the confirmed
attack the fir the confirmed Abduction the confirmed rape his family was gone so if she was
an actual decent human being she could then work with law enforcement and say hey I can tell you the times that I was
gone I can tell you the times I went to visit people and so so those dates could
correlate maybe better with some of these possible victims or hey I can tell you not only when I was gone but I can
give you some good indication of his travel habits and his whereabouts well during the course of this these ongoing
investigations they search BEC keep in mind at least one of the victims and I believe maybe in a couple of cases they
think that they are still looking for the Ms because Patty valinsky they found her identification card she's been
missing so they're hoping to find her they have something directly tying crutchley to her they just need sorry
for to be crude here they just need to find her body right so they're searching Malibar
cemeteries the yard of John cretchley Malibar home remember we said it was 2.7 Acres that
was the scene of at least four excavations I think authorities thought that they would find her buried
there and then when they went back even after these excavations they kept going back and taking core samples throughout
the yard to see if that they could hit on anything that could be either a body or find evidence that crutchley may have
buried right the house was searched again with the permission of new new owners after his wife and kid moved out
and they even punched holes in the walls so they could look inside the walls a shed behind the house was demolished and
the concrete pad was torn out kadab dog searched a shopping center on US 192 in Melbourne
where a former inmate said crutchley had disposed of a body but they didn't find
anything the detectives from Florida are on record saying that they had at one time at least 16 boxes of
evidence and some of that evidence included the hard drive from crutch ley's computer and dozens of computer
disc and tapes we also know that we have the detective on record stating that one
mistake that he does know that they made is they did not collect his computer right away keep in mind it's it's
1985 you go back that most people did not have a computer I don't know that the in back then a lot
of detectives did not work on a computer either and so they may not have just had
that Insight of oh this is this would be a valuable thing to collect and figure out how to go through it later they did
eventually collect it Captain but they didn't collect it then that night on the 22nd when they or I should say the 23rd
because it was 2: in the morning when they made the arrest insert his house the first time and we do know that he
got out for 4 weeks after posting Bond so he has a computer at his office as well at some point the Harris
Corporation turns over his computer to the police and so they're going through dozens of computer disc remember those
things and they're examining all of this they say that detectives found eventually found that there had been a
bunch of files that were erased and then some of the files that remained on these
computers so when we talk about this Captain I want to be clear they don't detail enough the information for us to
know what was found on his home computer versus what was found on his office computer but the we're talking in
generalities right here so between these two computers they're saying we found files that had been
erased we're finding other files that remained but they were coded the FBI technicians believe that while they were
not able to recover everything they do believe that they re that they recovered quote most of the data that was erased
from the computer's hard drives right then in 1988 keep in mind he's been locked up
for two years now the arrest happened in late 85 two members of the crutchley task force they they have NASA security
specialist who helped to break the coded files detective Bob letho says that he believed that it took seven days with
these guys going at it 24 hours a day to break these codes but so they this this is like a
roller coaster ride can you imagine like the the hard work and effort that has to
be put into this and you're probably saying we don't even know if we're going to be able to break these codes right
but then when you do break them you're like ah got him oh we got him but unfortunately what they learn is that
the files only contain an assortment of text files and games including a Dungeons and Dragons type game that
crutchley was designing police tried several times to interview crutchley in prison he denied them so they decided to
interview prison inmates that would know him to learn a little bit more about John crutchley the prison interviews
while not providing any new investigative leads did shed some light on cr's Life Behind Bars although
officials called crutchley a hardworking model prisoner the inmates claimed that
crutchley was into Satanism and enjoyed reading books about gory murders and serial killers while all of these
investigations are going many of which the police both in Florida and elsewhere were Not So Silent about there being
rumor over the years that they were close to another plea deal with John crutchley this plea deal would have put
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according to plan that will be what captain four back-to-back episodes of off the Record
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we love so much yes this plea bargain thing turns into a whole debacle and I don't even know Captain if there's
somebody to blame or if everybody tried their damned this and it just kind of fell through right so according to an
attorney this was crutch ley's defense attorney it was openly discussed that a deal was in the workings that crutchley
would plead guilty to between three and six homicides and I believe all of them now
when we say three to six I don't know if that if that number changes or the statement changes but the way that it's
been reported is he was willing to plead guilty to three to up to six homicides in brever County Florida
in return what crutchley wanted was to receive life in prison and not face the death penalty he did not want to go to
the electric chair his defense attorney then later goes on record stating that oh this was rejected by the state we
were all prepared to plead guilty to this and give them answers in some of these unsolved
homicides and in some of the information states that he was willing to lead them
to to bodies or to lead them to where he had buried some bodies right why why do
you think the state would turn down this deal I don't I don't know and that's why
I say I I don't know that there's any blame to give here or because it it it doesn't make any sense to me because you
have a defense attorney saying yeah we were willing to agree to this you have the
detective at least one of them who was in charge of many of these investigations who was saying we wanted
to take that deal and we had information backing up that he had committed some of
those homicides his defense attorney goes on record saying that the the state is the
one that denied it and what we have here though but we have the so we have the brev County
prosecutor and that's not his exact title but his last name is wolfinger and Sheriff Jack Jake Miller excuse me they
said that there was never a formal offer to be accepted or rejected so while one side is saying one
thing they're saying they're not saying we didn't have those talks they're not saying we didn't explore that they're
just saying there was never a formal offer for us to accept or to reject and who knows maybe they were in talks and
then crutchley gets cold feet and says Nope not going to do it changeed my mind here's the problem
though yeah we talk about this all the time you you love how I'm starting to say here's the problem like like we
haven't gone through like three dozen problems already the the episode started off with some problems you you're not
allowed to kidnap exactly assault and try to murder people that's that's the first problem
here really truly the only problem as far as this story is concerned is John Brennan cretchley right well not
only was he a vampire but he was a dungeon master as well if if he had never existed or never
been who he was or the way he was all these other problems we would have never got to him they would have never been
creative so but but here's the problem now for where we are in our timeline and we talk about this and I
hate to repeat it but but it's unfortunately in Most states 25 years does not mean 25 years
behind bars it's pathetic now thankfully here we have the scenario where at least
he's going to face 50 years of probation pretty much a lifetime of being on probation but we get Robert like that's
going to stop him from committing other murders we got Robert wrestler again who
estimated that the Florida vampire and convicted abductor and rapist John crutchley would be released in 1998
remember he was sentenced in 1986 he's estimating this 1998 release based off of Once you factor in
time off for good behavior unfortunately not only was Bob wri that crutchley would get out early oh God but he was
off by two years they're going to release him in 1996 and as the date got closer and
closer people rightfully so started to panic and I'm talking about Panic not just at the Disco This is civilians and
law enforcement as well like everybody so we we have we we have the whole state of Florida is like oh you're going to
let this dude out well where are you going to let him out at like we don't want him here you can't like there's sex
offenders and then there's this guy no nobody wants this guy in their Community nobody
believes the community as a collective nobody believes that this guy could be rehabilitated he's something that we we
don't understand we would should not understand yeah and he's going to get out and he's going to continue to to do
whatever it is that he does so rather than just sitting there on their hands and panicking waiting for
him to get out we have law enforcement that are doing everything that they can to try to find the right amount of
evidence to try him to take him back to trial for one of these murders and hoping to get him locked up for
something else and for good before John Brennan crutchley was released from a for Florida prison now there was a great
article from the Associated Press and I'll go through it a little of it here Captain the convict known as the vampire
rapist was released from prison and is suspected in The Disappearance of at least three women in Florida and one in
Fairfax County Virginia prosecutor said John crutchley aged 49 remember he was 39 when he was arrested John crutchley
age 49 served 10 years of a 25-year sentence for abducting raping and drinking the blood of a female
hitchhiker in 1985 he was sent to a halfway house so after upon his release he sent to a
halfway house and this is so think of this as like Purgatory a little bit this is
while the authorities are trying to help him find a community that will accept him I've seen this in a few cases it's
it's it's strange but it does happen where when somebody is going to be paroled a person of this level a
dangerous individual of this level they they actively have to find a community that's willing to accept him and if
Florida don't want you nobody wants you well usually what happens the other case
that I know that we've seen this in was Arthur shawcross he had murdered two children and then they were going to let
him out of prison uh up up north and what happened in that case is very similar to what's going to happen in
this case usually what they find is that the smaller communities no you're you're not you're
not putting them here it's usually a larger Community that's kind of forced to accept them and so you'll get a
larger City that will accept them because they are used to more violent crimes they are used to increased
numbers of crimes and they believe that that might be a safer scenario for everyone it doesn't
matter because he's getting out has to go somewhere so even though he's denied any connection with any other murders
remember his former lawyer said that crutchley was at one time willing to plead guilty from anywhere between three
to six killings in return for life sentences no death penalty prosecutors said there was never a firm offer and
they didn't have corroborating evidence that they said they would need to accept
the police but police did find they did have circumstantial evidence evidence when they searched his desk at the
Harris Corporation office where he worked this is remember when they found the identif identification card
belonging to Patty valinski right she's been missing in Florida since March of 1985 he not only lived there then he was
also he's never been locked up for anything at this point so police were also looking at links between John
crutchley and a woman named Debbie Fitz John in Fairfax Virginia so she was murdered and we talked about
her briefly already but she was murdered in 1978 at the time Debbie Fitz John was 25
years old she was last seen when she was visiting John crutchley trailer on January 27th of that year her remains
were found buried in some nearby Woods months later her mom giving an interview says
quote my daughter went down to his trailer and she never came away again she added that she couldn't understand
how officials could set him free after only serving 10 years saying quote they're just going to let him out on the
public what the hell do they think he's going to do there here's they interviewed this potential victim Debbie
Fitz John her father and I really wanted to make sure I have my notes here please
make sure that you include this quote because this probably my favorite quote of the week when doing the research here
was he says Mr Fitz John says that he also wonders who would possibly want to give
John crutchley a job or a place to live adding quote you mark my word it will happen again I'm assuming mean kill or
rape somebody else he goes on to say quote send him up here I'll hire him and I'll send him back down in a burying box
now people in Orlando rightfully so were upset to later learn that crutchley was
going to be released into their Community ore County Sheriff Kevin Barry wasn't happy that Orlando was
chosen after two other communities rejected crutchley so the sheriff writes a letter to the governor saying that he
was outraged quote a violent sex offender is being released into my county and I found out about it on the
radio end quote the mother of crutchley rape victim are are one truly known victim here said that her daughter this
is 11 10 11 years later she says that her daughter has never recovered from the attack quote my daughter and I think
he should have gotten life he says he's a changed man but I think he is a sick man and I don't think he can ever change
yeah I mean if that was my daughter I'd hunt down this son of a [ __ ] and and kill him myself the good news is
nobody's going to have to go for that vigilante justice because there's several different ways to tell the next
part of the story and I'm trying to think of the most polite and correct way but I don't know that I'm capable now
[ __ ] that well what happens here Captain is remember he goes to this halfway house and we do know that John crutchley
likes marijuana we it was found in his home when he was arrested we have him given statements saying that he smoked
marijuana before he was in prison marijana at the halfway house again The Story Goes a few different ways one
telling of the story is that somehow he and maybe some of the other people in the halfway house got a hold of some
marijuana and they all sat around and smoked it another way to tell this story is that the persons living at the
halfway house maybe under the order or direction of somebody else held this man down and forced him to smoke
marijuana what we do know however he ingested it whether willingly or unwillingly we know that he ingested it
because the next day the probation officer shows up and says guess what sir we're going to need you to take a p
test well guess what when they find THC in his system that is a parole violation
so he goes from prison to halfway house gets stoned takes the P test back right back in jail got him got him yeah he was
out I think he was out like maybe 24 36 hours at this halfway house so whether they set him up or whether he chose to
violate his parole that's Up For Debate but what we do know and I take great satisfaction in this I you know I
you know me I like to try to play it by the rules as much as possible but if they held this guy down and made him
smoke some weed and especially if like the the warden or the sheriff or somebody said or the some the prosecutor
and you know made that happen I don't feel bad about it I mean nobody's gonna feel bad about in fact I in fact I get a
lot of joy out of that yeah so nothing but hatred towards this vampire so he goes back to prison and then in 2002 so
that's all going on in in 96 in 2002 this happens and most of this is from the Florida Today newspaper so
shortly after midnight on November 30th 2002 John crutchley cellmate at the Hardy Correctional
Institution found crutchley dead he was wearing only boxer shorts which were partially removed and he had a plastic
bread bag over his face being held in place with a red rubber band inside the bag was an asthma
inhaler wrapped in a handkerchief after after an autopsy the medical examiner his name is Steven
Nelson ruled the death accidental but due to asphixiation while performing a sex act on
himself so John crutchley so he in a way flicky flicked himself to death it's a autoerotic expiation uh is
how he died and so ultimately John crutchley Quest for the ultimate sexual experience kept him searching for
something more forbidden something more bizarre we know that during the mid 80s he gained notoriety worldwide as the
vampire rapist after he kidnapped a Florida a California woman and holding her in his malabor home for two days
before she escaped sentenced to 25 years in prison for the rape and kidnapping then gets life for violating his
probation but we see here John crutch ley's dangerous habits did not stop even after all of that punishment after all
of those reasons after getting caught so 17 years after his arrest his dangerous
habits his quest for the ultimate sexual experience is what ultimately killed him
the prosecutor yeah wolfinger told the newspaper quote his appetite for the bizaar just continued one thing led to
another to another until it finally killed him he was the ultimate Sex Fiend he was the most bizarre defendant by far
I ever prosecuted as much as I hate for anyone to die Society is better off with
him gone he was always looking for something more forbidden more bizarre he finally found it and the world is better
for it now the Corrections Department report indicates that crutch ley's interest in unusual and risky sex was
well documented throughout his time while he was locked up on record we have Wesley Pope who was
crutchley cellmate from November 200000 to March 2001 uhuh he told investigators
that he saw crutchley do such things as inject his genitals with needles and choke himself while
masturbating crutch ley's most recent cellmate James Elders he had to write a an affidavit
and this was from a March 30th davit he said that when he found John crutchley he thought that crutchley was asleep
when he discovered the body M he says when crutchley didn't respond to calls and knocks on his bunk Elders looked
closely he saw the bag over crutch ley's face he yanked it off and then he called
the guards for help investigators after the death searching through crutchley cell
recovered a number of items that appeared to be be related to his unusual behavior and these items were plastic
gloves razors strings with noes electrical wires black tubing and a battery pack maybe I just have
um morbid curiosity but there's two truths that i' well I guess three truths that I'd really like
to know in the story of the Florida vampire one what was his childhood really like
was this somebody that was just born uh sex psycho or did something happen to him
two what was in the bag and then three I think the obvious question is who were his victims exactly and the
thing here is Captain you say you're curious about his childhood but I mean we have two he he wasn't the
only child right so it's it's reasonable to make a little bit of an assumption here that at least two other kids and
his his older sister who passed away at 13 before he was born would have experienced a similar childhood or
upbringing by the two parents so so with with some of these guys too I don't know
look at the end of the day one thing that we know to be factual is that almost all of these guys were either
abused at some point in their life or at least claim to have been abused hurt people hurt people
correct but what I'm getting at is if if he didn't start doing what he was doing until his
30s um or his 20s I mean there was a period of his life that he lived on his own without Mom and Dad and who knows
how Wild and weird this dude got during that time period And as said there's no reason to believe that his brother or
sister did any of this type of behavior as well so it's it's really it's what I'm saying that's a long way of saying
it's a blessing that these types of people are unique and unique and not a good way
right I'd love to have that interview with his sibling so how many other victims were there truly we talked about
that list earlier that had 26 potential victims on there we know he's not responsible for a couple of them and
Maryland police going on record saying we don't have anything to connect him to any of the cases we have here we think
that uh we actually have reason to believe he wasn't involved in any of those we do know and I I think that even
though the plea deal didn't happen I think that we can put a lot of weight into his defense attorney going on
record multiple times saying my client was willing to confess to three to possibly six murders
yeah and then I think we also have evidence that is very suggestive that he was probably responsible not just for
one murder but probably a few probably several right I think that there are two victims that seem to be an obvious
choice when looking at this list of victims and saying we can connect him to these ladies as the perpetrator of their
murder so if you start in Florida there are probably several that he's good for there but some of these
victims unfortunately remain unidentified so we have no known Social Circles for the victim no timeline to
look at and no known point of origin for when killer encountered the victim so without any of that information and as
long as those victims remain unidentified I don't think that with any level of confidence you could include
them or exclude them as possible crutchley victims MH it it would be to me it would just wouldn't even
make any sense to have a lengthy discussion about them because they've with not knowing their identity
if you identify one of them or all of them you very likely could find a much better suspect right away right the ones
that I feel very confident in here Captain is Patty linski she's one that I feel that we can
put the old 99% certainty tag on that she's a John kushley victim if you want to learn more
about her case uh you can visit our friends at the Charlie project that's Charlie project.org they are I believe
one of to be possibly the most comprehensive missing person's database in the world maybe in the world
she is missing so she was hitchhiking in Florida and what makes him a great suspect she's the one that they found
her state ID in his possession at his office when they searched his office on December
20th 1985 we know that he kept the identification of his rape victim so it would make sense that when
you find when she goes missing and has been missing for months she was missing for
about 8 months by the time they find her identification and the possession of this very violent dangerous
man and so I don't think that that's any coincidence at all and in fact later crutchley would go go on record and say
yeah I picked her up I she I I I don't deny picking up because he can't deny everything he has to make up a plausible
story as to why he would have that identification card but not be responsible for why she has never
returned home right and his response is I picked her up we drove around for a little bit we smoked a joint she started
getting really obnoxious talking about biker gangs and wanting to find drugs and so he says he kicked her out of the
car and then later I believe he says the next day he found some of her belongings
in the back seat of his car and he chose to discard all of them minus the identification card in the pictures the
wallet insert that they found I don't believe anything this guy says he admits to seeing her now that I'm sure there's
at least one person out there and listener land saying well maybe she just took off on her own and her mother says
look my daughter Patty yes she she might go away take off for a week couple weeks
she was also known to go out of town and out of state without telling me she was
very close with her mother her mother does say if we had plans she would tell me why she wasn't going to make those
plans or if we had plans she would be there and when she started missing some of those plans of course her mother
became very concerned but Patty collected a monthly disability check and when the check came and her daughter
didn't show up to collect it that's when she said she knew something terrible had
happened to her daughter so I and I think that to me is good enough evidence to prove that she's not just she didn't
just simply walk away the other person that I think is an obvious connection to crutchley is
Deborah Rita Fitz John up from Virginia remember it's confirmed that everybody believes that John
crutchley was the last person to see Deborah Fitz John and unfortunately or fortunately I guess for your
investigation purposes she's not a missing person anymore they found her body eight or nine months later after
her disappearance uh she was found decomposed by hunters in a remote wooded area and
again we have other persons saying that she was going to see John crutchley that
night they had dated they had gone on several dates and he was actually before he even
moved to Florida he was the number one suspect in that murder case they had actively talked to crutchley multiple
times about Deborah Fitz John's murder and in fact he admits she came over to my trailer that night when she got there
we hung out briefly I fell asleep watching TV when I woke up she was she was putting on her coat to leave and
then he says I never saw her again the interesting thing here nobody else saw her again as far as far as we know yeah
there's nobody coming forward to say that she was ever seen again her car was later
found uh about a mile walk from crutch ley's trailer and it was found at a place called The Hunters Lodge which was
a country music dance club and they interviewed all the workers there and every one of them
saying yeah that car that belonged to that woman we know who she is she wasn't here last night her car was only it was
found the day after she was missing so they didn't not a whole lot of time pass between the time that she is believed to
have disappeared and when they found her car one thing here too that that he does
in this move Captain is this was about a week actually a little more than a week after Deborah
Fitz John's disappearance a letter arrived at Fitz John's condominium and it was from John
crutchley it was postmarked February 4th so this would be eight days after she vanished and in this
letter crutchley apologized for his sleepiness the night of Fitz John's visit to his trailer saying when you get
back please call me I don't know know you very well but in spite of your want for a new job and all I know it's not
like you to stay away for long I like you a lot I know that my Libra possessiveness is an affront to your
Gemini want for freedom but I really want to be your friend at least answer my call or drop me a card I promise not
to bother you with calls at weird times like you get from that other guy please call love John sounds like a lame
attempt at an alibi to me Bingo and we do know in that case captain that at least on two occasions crutchley was
talked to by authorities and talked into taking a polygraph examination twice both times he was a
noow surprise surprise well when police made a quick connection to this unsolved homicide up in
Virginia back from 1978 the Fitz John's case police in Florida made a very quick
connection because when they're searching his home after the woman was saved crawling
on the side of the road one of the items that they find is a business card a calling card for the detective who was
running that investigation up in Virginia right and then if you want to take it a step further this dude
according and I know that not everybody likes a jailhouse snitch but this dude if if this is true
he seems to not been able to keep his mouth quiet while he's locked up because he tells at least one individual about a
couple of murders that he said he did and in fact goes into detail with what's believed to be his explanation of
killing Debbie up in Virginia he said that Accord this inmate his name name is uh Patrick
Dantel he says that crutchley told him that quote he had sex that they had sex and that he had taken the body out and
disposed of it in the woods we do know that she was found in the woods he said that she was one of those kinky girls
that liked to be strangled until she came to and then strangled again he said unfortunately she didn't make it to the
end this cellmate kept a journal and and I'm guessing that police were able to learn quite a bit about
crutchley from this journal again there's several of the victims that were found as said there
were multiple victims that were found within a six mile radius of John crutchley home they were all found in
the year 1985 he was only locked up for 10 of those 365 days so I think it would
be reasonable to believe that that there's a possibility that you could connect them to one two maybe all of
those homicides that still remain unsolved to this very day and we have his attorney the attorney who defended
cretchley during his 1986 trial who said in 1995 this man's name is Joe Mitchell
said based upon all of the information presented to me while I was representing John crutchley it was obvious to me that
he was involved in a number of homicides that's coming from his defense attorney that's almost like that's
almost like a mother right that where his boy could her boy could do no wrong opening up and coming forward and saying
yeah I think my son's a serial killer I do before we wrap up here Captain I want
to give a shout out to the Florida Today newspaper it took a lot of source material to put together this story
especially once you factor in last week's episodes that were in a way part one and two of this lengthy story right
but Florida today and a really good writer for Florida today and true Jero Michael cabbage did an did absolutely
gangbusters work on a forpart series called missing proof that ran in the Florida Today paper back in October of
1995 in the end this bizarre man and his bizarre death left so many with a lot of
unanswered questions there are detectives that think that they failed to solve these cases there are mothers
that don't know what happened to their their daughters there was an entire state that was terrified that this
monster would be allowed to live and walk free after a relatively short prison sentence and a judge that made
sure that a dangerous man who needed to be monitored if he couldn't be locked up
that he would remain on probation for the rest of his days despite mountains of Suspicion and circumstantial evidence
during his lifetime detectives were unable to find sufficient physical evidence to indict John crutchley for a
single homicide there are no fingerprints no weapons no Blood Stained items that can be linked to John
crutchley John Brennan crutchley the Florida vampire remains an [Music] enigma you could be anywhere in the
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In November of 1985 in Malabar, Florida authorities responded to a strange and disturbing call. A young woman who had been abducted the day before somehow managed to escape from her captor’s home. A motorist found the young woman on the side of the road. He took her to his home for both her protection and to call first responders for help. The woman described to detectives what the abductor had subjected her to over the last 22 hours. An abduction case was rare but perhaps the most startling detail of the woman’s story was that the man who had offered her a ride and then tortured her in his home, also drank the woman’s blood. The Brevard County Sheriff’s Office had a serious case on their hands and the community had a monster living among them.

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Brief Summary

John Crutchley, the Florida vampire, is suspected of multiple murders, but evidence remains elusive as investigations continue into his potential victims.

Key points

The Florida Vampire. John Brennan Crutchley, dubbed the Florida Vampire, is suspected of multiple murders.
Unsolved Murders Timeline. A timeline reveals potential victims linked to Crutchley across several states.
The Search for Evidence. Investigators conduct extensive searches for bodies and evidence related to Crutchley.
Crutchley's Computer Evidence. Detectives found erased files on Crutchley's computers, hinting at deeper secrets.
Plea Deal Debacle. Crutchley's plea deal for multiple homicides was rejected, raising questions about justice.
Community Outrage Over Release. Crutchley's release into the community sparked panic and outrage among residents.

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Episode quotes

This was John Brennan Crutchley's expression for sex ending in death.

Describing Crutchley's mindset

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