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grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] [Music] crime [Music] weeks questions have circled about Alisa
lamb after the Vancouver woman went missing in Los Angeles last month yesterday police found her body in a
hotel water tank that's just raised even more questions it stretches believability
that a young Canadian tourist could accidentally end up dead inside a water tank at the top of an LA hotel and yet
very little makes sense about the strange disappearance and death of Al Lisa lamb I just feel so bad for her
parents the investigators have to be flumix I this because if it is Foul Play you know why did she act so odd the last
footage of her in the hotel elevator is perplexing why did she press all the buttons was she talking to someone was
she trying to hide coroner Ed winter says perhaps the autopsy will provide some Clues we are conducting an
investigation into the death of Miss lamb the autop is scheduled for tomorrow either she met with Foul Play or somehow
the 21-year-old would have had to have gotten through lock doors onto the roof avoided tripping in alarm and then
climbed up inside the water tank the hotel itself has not made a statement but it did send guests this letter
telling them to check out immediately which this British tourist did but not before she drank the hotel water for 8
days and the water for first two seconds or 3 seconds would was coming black and
then after a while we would drink it but it had strange funny sweet tastes it's disgusting utterly horrible surely that
will add to the notoriety of the Cecil Hotel it was already on tour operator Kim Cooper's crime tour of La thanks
mostly to the infamous nightstalker serial killer Richard Ramirez who killed 14 people and during his spree when he
was doing a lot of home invasions for satanic purposes he was actually staying as a resident of the sea Sal up on the
14th floor more relevant to Lamb's cases why was she staying in a hotel in such a
dodgy part of La here in Vancouver it was difficult to find anyone who knew her well no one could explain why she
went on a California Holiday by herself or what her State of Mind was when she [Music]
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time it is it is one of our most requested cases uh since we've been doing the show uh and this is about
Alisa lamb so January 26 2013 21-year-old Alisa lamb she's recognized as a University of British
Columbia student uh she was going on an international trip she was calling this her West Coast tour she would be
traveling to California by herself uh her means of travel she was using public transportation she had traveled by way
of Amtrak and she was also taking buses as well uh she intended to travel to several California cities before her
trip concluded she arrives in Los Angeles California on the 26th she then checks into the Cecil hotel which is in
downtown Los Angeles this is on January 28th she is set to check out February 1st during her travels a regular habit
that she was doing was she was calling or emailing reaching out to her parents daily to kind of check in and let them
know that she's doing fine and she's enjoying her trip mhm well the Cecil hotel where Lisa was staying has a has a
long history as being a place of terrible Happ happenings uh a little bit of a checkered past yeah yeah very
checkered uh it certainly has a history of suicides and murder um in 1931 the hotel experienced its first suicide um
after that the hotel would see at least eight or nine more suicides that I could
find reportings of and a couple of strange deaths as well occurred in its history uh there was certainly a murder
or two uh before Alisa's stay at the Cecil hotel and this checkered pass really adds to the folklore of the Lisa
lamb case mhm and I don't want to go through all the the suicides you know the bleakness of that uh there a couple
of the strange deaths or or possible murders that took place there uh there there's a story of a of a woman who who
gave birth at the hotel uh she gives birth in in one of the in the bathroom and she threw the newborn baby out the
window yeah okay look before before you say stuff like this maybe you could give
us a little bit of a warning you know it's right on there when you click on True Crime garage it
warns you that you might hear something terrible that at some point you might talk about a baby being thrown from a
window well she claimed that the baby was was born uh dead and then they did an investigation and they quickly
determined they didn't think that that was the same thing but before she could be convicted of of that Murder She was
ruled to be not competent to stand trial and there was the one suicide where the
lady jumped out of the window and she actually landed on somebody walking by and killed him as well uh so we a bunch
of suicides but what I thought was interesting was that there was uh two serial killers that actually stayed at
the hotel seil yes yeah we have uh Richard Ramirez uh the the famous Night Stalker from
1985 uh he murdered uh 14 people he did live there during a portion of of uh his
career let's say as a serial killer but some of this folklore is kind of blown out of proportion don't you think it's
romanticized a little bit uh because we have the situation uh where Elizabeth Short you know the Black Dalia which
we've discussed on our show you know there's rumor that that was the last place she stayed at before she was
killed when actually we can't find any actual record of her having stayed there at all let alone it being the last place
she was seen or stayed before her death so it does get a little romanticized with Richard Ramirez kind of a similar
situation he did live there on and off for a period of time but he also lived in like three or four other hotels
sometimes sleeping in his car he was he he was a guy that moved around quite a bit and he would typically stay at a
place just for a night or so um depending on how much money he had stolen or or stolen objects that he had
fenced that day whatever he received as far as cash went right right and I think
think a lot of people would go well how can somebody afford to stay at a hotel well this hotel was broke up in like
sections so like the lower floors were pretty much like a normal Hotel you know a little more pricey and then the top
floors they kind of used those as like pay by the day type rooms and they also had uh rooms that they used for like
youth hosts where you can just kind of stay in a collective group you know a bunch of strangers but your room would
be a lot cheaper and to give you an idea back in the mid 80s when Ramirez would stay there I believe he was typically
only paying about 14 or $15 a night to stay there which is I mean relatively cheap just because the rooms are cheap
doesn't mean that there's going to be all these tragic things that happen but I think it's because the hotel Cecil was
around for so long and it also had 600 rooms yeah and it's a very old hotel it was it was built in
1924 it opened up shortly after that so it's been been around for a long time and it's in Los Angeles you know a
popular place to travel to um so you got a high probability of seeing crazy things happen in this area that's for
sure um and of course you know like in the 1950s that area that street in particular became pretty rundown and it
became known for drug users and transient lifestyle uh people that were kind of in and out it was a basically a
seity part of town it's technically in downtown Los Angeles but Los Angeles is a widespread town so as a tourist if you
go there there's there's just so many different parts you know so if your buddy says well I live downtown then
it's like yeah but which part of downtown and she could have been staying there for the for the cheap rent or it
could have just been for the the convenience of being in downtown Los Angeles when she first started off
staying there she was sharing a room as you had mentioned you can share some rooms right youth host yeah and she
shared a room with a couple of other people I don't know that I could ever do that or feel comfortable doing that um
but that's what she did and after a couple days through complaints by these other people she's eventually moved to
her own room do you have any idea what these complaints were I would love to know specifically what they were but
we're hearing these third hand you know you're hearing these from from the hotel
workers that this was reported to and so basically what is explained to them is that she was behaving strangely or that
they found her to be weird or acting odd and these people didn't want to share a
room with her anymore so not not a great detailed description of how she was behaving or things she was doing or
saying just that they didn't feel comfortable sharing a room with her and you mentioned earlier that she's
recognized as a student yes she's recognized as a University of British Columbia student however technically at
this point in time in 2013 she was not taking any classes she was basically kind of on a break from
school um she had mentioned to people that uh she had to drop classes because of her disorders uh that she was
relapsing and that this caused her not to be able to go to school this is actually a really hard case to cover
because of the misinformation that's out there yeah yeah the the the crazy thing
Captain is that this is such a widely reported story you think it would be easy to come up with information M the
problem being is that most of the reporting on this case are these kind of smaller web you know internet-based news
uh websites kind kind of clickbait stuff yeah and a lot of them have an agenda some of them want to discuss paranormal
activity or they want to talk about psychics and things like this and and and things that aren't really true crime
uh so to speak even though we've had some psychics on or we've talked about some psychic stuff we don't know how
much we actually believe in that stuff I I find it fascinating I just don't know
anything about it um but you know if you were to If This Were to be an Unsolved Mysteries type show uh this would be you
know when you see that they play the creepy music and it says unexplained death that's what this case would be
it's it's an unexplained death it's a it's a girl that unfortunately was out on her own she disappeared and and then
we have this weird unexplained death afterwards right and like you said this is you know you're a true crime dork so
this doesn't really fall in your wheelhouse of not at all you know and but let's go let's talk a little bit
about her mental state I mean like we said that she was diagnosed bipolar uh I have some experience with this uh being
diagnosed bipolar is a very tough thing for a therapist to do uh they can treat you as bipolar and basically it takes
years and years and years but there's no like blood test they can't take your blood and run it through some system and
say oh we know for a fact that you have bipolar and we're going to treat you as such now her list of medications that
she's on they pretty extensive yeah she's on four different uh types of prescriptions and it looks that she had
filled the those prescriptions on January 11th of 2013 so just a few weeks before her trip MH uh and she was found
her possessions that were found contained a lot of those prescriptions and if you look through this list some
of the stuff is kind of odd because it tells you the number of pills that were issued to her MH but it also says the
number that was remaining in her possessions uh once they found the possessions the weird thing is that when
she had the prescription filled she had leftovers right of other prescriptions so we don't know how many that we know
how many that were were issued but we don't know how many she had remaining so like for example one of the pills it was
a mood stabilizer I I'm not going to try to even pronounce what it is oh this isn't the fun part of the show where you
and I butcher these uh yeah we could I I don't even know if we should attempt it
I think we we looked them up and and just to go over one of the things was a mood stabilizer she was issued 60 pills
and the number remaining was 70 mhm so obviously higher so we should just assume that she had more so it's just
really tough to know cuz we don't know how many she had prior to this right so we don't know if she was actually taking
the medication and the prescriptions were basically uh there was one for ADHD uh a mood stabilizer yeah it was
well the ADH medicine is very similar to like um at a RW okay there was a mood stabilizer as well as an
anti-depressant uh and she did have some over-the-counter drugs in her possession
as well these being things like Advil sinut tab um and they found along with her possessions they found a pill cutter
two pill cases one divided pill case five prescription receipts and a personal Med medication history right so
with the Aderall or the ADH medicine you know basically to stay focused she had a
medicine to stay focused the other with the anti-depressants and again I'm not a
doctor I'm just going off my own experience um the anti-depressant is to bring your mood up higher MH right to
kind of get your Baseline to be above depression right and then the mood stabilizer is kind of like a compressor
it takes all your lows and makes them higher but it also takes all your highs and makes them lower so it it Tres to
keep you right in that middle The Sweet Spot a lot of people that take a mood stabilizer will have almost a zombie
effect sometimes um and that's something that as you're getting on this medicine
you have to kind of adapt and kind of see how your body reacts to different kinds because obviously you don't want
to go through your life you know especially like let's say they put you on lithium you know some people can are
on lithium and they just fill like they're in a fog and just nothing matters mhm yeah and people have poured
through these this information and looked through it and tried to decipher you know judging by the number of pills
issued judging by the number of pills remaining was she overdoing it was she not taking what she was prescribed it's
you really can't tell because we don't know there was nobody traveling with her there's nobody to back up if she was
staying on schedule with these Med medications yeah and and I want to be very very clear about this I mean mental
health issues are something that I think this country needs to talk more openly about M and so in doing so back in
2012 uh I was actually being treated uh for well it was it was kind of a messed up situation but one of the things was I
was having a lot of depression almost I would categorized it as maybe severe depression um instantly they started
treating me for bipolar MH so they put me on an anti-depressant and they put me on a mood
stabilizer and this was without any therapy at all so wait this is a physician you you know you go to a
regular doctor and you're getting kind of diagnosed with this and but but ultimately treated for this yeah well I
mean not to go into it too much and just uh I mean we've talked in the past about
mental health and we I always get these comments oh you know thanks for bringing
this up and it's so important and well it's important to me because I mean I was I was suicidal so I was that's all I
could think about and it wasn't that I was actually wasn't to the point where I thought I was going to try to end my
life it was just everything was so Bleak and it just felt like I couldn't get out
of this depression I was in and so I actually TR uh went to like um uh net care I think it's what it's called and
you I met with the therapist there and they kind of assessed me sent me to my physician and boom I'm on on an
anti-depressant and on a mood stabilizer okay uh so now you know then I'm going okay well maybe this is going to fix
everything um it didn't uh and it actually got way worse but in the process I mean for me and I was on this
stuff on and off this stuff for years and it was it's really you kind of establishing a new
relationship with yourself so I'd have these pills some days I would take them some days I wouldn't some sometimes it
would seem like they're working sometimes it seemed like it was making things worse right so a long story short
you know I'm not a doctor but when looking at this case I'm viewing it as somebody that has been treated myself
and somebody that has been dealing with some of the same issues that Alisa has been dealing with well or was dealing
with what that gives me a little insight towards is it's not the you know the mental health and the way that we treat
it is not the exact same thing as physical health and how we treat that you know if somebody has has high blood
pressure well we can put you on this medication and it should regulate that blood pressure after X amount of days um
where with a mental health situation we would you would you disagree with me it's a lot of trial and
error and and where some things might work for some people they're not going to work for others now we have this
situation where we have a person out on their own and we cannot figure out is she keeping up with that medication uh
was she overdoing it underdoing it uh were there other things that that are factoring in well and yeah and was she
being responsible on that medication I was on a mood stabilizer called Depo um and I was told by I was told by
some Physicians that if you drink on it I mean it could you could just actually die from it uh then I actually heard
from my therapist that you know one or two beers wouldn't be that big of a deal yeah I mean cuz think about this way I
mean you're you know I you know I had a house I'd like to grill out stuff like that and uh what do you want to do when
you're grilling out have a beer of course you know and so when somebody's saying well if you drink you might die
um the I had a very negative effect when when I drank I almost would hallucinate
like I'd get to this almost uh I've never done LSD or anything like that but it was almost to this like trippy State
and so looking at this case again that makes me question was she taking her drugs properly and and if she was she
was still having lapses we know that she was having you know some issues because
of the school stuff MH and then was when she was out on her own maybe she would drink and and how would that affect her
and it affects everybody differently yeah cuz if you then you know for me I did the research some people that were
taking Depo would could drink a couple beers and be fine or even drink liquor and be fine and I just found that once I
took one drink I almost became like a crackhead like as far as like I wanted an all I could think about was getting
the next drink and then get the next drink and get the next drink well and that that's been the biggest question
mark for me regarding this case when I first looked at it was I wanted to know how the these these medications would
affect what's going on with her internally I wanted to know because she is on vacation she's on her West Coast
tour was she drinking and partying during this time and was she trying to back off of medication to drink or was
she maintaining that that medication and drinking on top of it and thus having a
different effect right and that's something we probably will never know uh but let's get right back into the story
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[Music] internet all right we're back everybody Cheers Cheers so we have Alisa lamb who
is out traveling the US she's in California all by herself and we know that she has these uh bipolar disorder
and she's on medication for some different things she checks into the Cecil Hotel she's there for a couple
days she's moved to a room by herself and then on January 31 complaints right um on January 31st Alisa lamb is last
spotted by a hotel worker at the Cecil Hotel uh this would be she's last seen in the lobby of the Cecil Hotel um and
remind you she has been contacting her family up to this point uh this is where the contact stops though mhm on February
1st the following day was the day that that lamb was supposed to check out from the hotel now she did not actually check
out and this is what sparks the the search for Alisa yeah and because she's not contacting her family either her
family's going to fly down to be in LA to help the hotel search for their daughter yeah breaking communication was
something that was that really worried the police as well as her family because one of the things I mean she was in her
early 20s and she's traveling by herself and maybe the parents said hey you can go but you're going to have to be in
constant contact with us right right and you would want to be I mean it's a it's
a foreign land you know it's another country well I wouldn't want to be I'm just traveling I'm probably traveling to
get away from my family uh so the police and the family are working together to try to find Alisa now now think about
this so Captain she could be anywhere she's in this big giant City and in in a big giant hotel first of all so they're
going to have to start their search at the hotel where was she last seen well we know she was last seen in the lobby
and they actually go to her room they search her room and her belongings they do a what what one would consider a
thorough search of the hotel as much as they actually can you have to keep in mind here um this is not yet a situation
where they believe that they they can go and search every room at this hotel we're talking about they have like 600
rooms here right uh and plus you you have all these back hallways you're going to have all these service areas of
the hotels where yeah but they can p this is not an easy search right but they can pull surveillance footage right
away yeah so what what ends up happening is they search her room they they can't
go room to room we have people that are basically living in this hotel some people are staying there for a trip some
people are staying there on an extended stay there are people that have lived in
this hotel for years um they do check all the common areas and they this the search itself provides no leads to the
whereabouts of Alisa it provides also no leads or no hints of Foul Play mhm on February 6th and February 7th of
2013 the LAPD they start to release to the public details about the suspicious disappearance of Alisa lamb uh they hold
a press conference during this time this is when you start to see on on the news
footage as well that they are putting up posters calling for Action they're putting her face out there trying to get
people to you know come forward if they've seen her or know of her whereabouts I know a lot of people
wonder why the heck would uh lipd you know make such a big deal about this girl going missing there's probably a
lot of missing person's cases you know presented to the public during this time but one of the major reasons is it's you
know she is not from the United States right and so that becomes a little bit bigger of a deal and the missing
person's alert that is sent out by LAPD it like I said it includes her picture this is important to LAPD as her family
because there are certain things about this dis appearance that have not been fully released to the public at this
time one of those being that she does have this bipolar disorder um I'm thinking here captain that the
investigators as well as the family are wondering is has this led to her disappearance and therefore we need to
put her picture out there because if if she's if something's happened to maybe she doesn't know where she is right
because she could be in a manic in a manic State and if she's in a manic State then who knows she she is maybe
not capable of getting back or being in contact with them on her own yeah so they the details that they list are
basically you know a general description of her you know a as well as where she was last seen that's at the Cecil Hotel
640 South Main Street in downtown Los Angeles yeah um their their additional information simply just states that
possibly suffers from mild depression mhm they also include where she was traveling from and her means of travel
again that's public transportation using Amtrak and buses you know hoping that maybe if she ended up back using buses
that she would be spotted there as well as stating the cities in which she intends to go to and this leads us up to
February 14th where the LAPD is going to actually release the surveillance footage the famous surveillance footage
yeah we have this is the very famous surveillance footage this is taken it at 8:31 a.m. on February 1st the day that
she is supposed to be checking out of the hotel now here's what the claim is which is very strange to me Captain is
that we fishy yeah we have the footage that's taking place in the elevator itself but there's no other surveillance
footage to go along with it you know there we don't have footage from the hallways or from any of the other common
spaces in this hotel yeah and nothing from the entrance as well to me I just find that very fishy and obviously we
have lawsuits in this case so you know one could assume that are they hiding these things well you should find it
fishy and I tell you why so the deal is they had other cameras their claim is that these cameras were either not
working or not working to the point that they were recording anything um having a
background in this I can tell you that this would this really what's your back most people wouldn't know okay so I was
a Security administrator for a high-rise building in Downtown Columbus Ohio for several years now mind you the building
that I worked at was built in 1999 so it's very different from a building built and constructed in the 1920s right
right but as technology advances then people put in new cameras and stuff like that yeah we had just to keep things
short we had just under a 100 cameras throughout this building it was it had 27 stores uh 27 floors as well as a
rooftop um we had four elevators it's my understanding that the Cecil hotel has two elevators um we would have had a
camera in any of those common areas meaning any place that you could step off of the elevator there would be a
camera that would go and coincide with one that would be in the elevator as well right now the thing here is we
would conduct you know we would routine Security checks of everything these cameras were being monitored at our
front desk we we had six different monitors uh two of them were scrolling monitors where they would bounce from
camera to camera on the same cycle uh the other four were actual monitors where you could uh pick which camera you
chose to watch right and or a multi- view and you could also move and manipulate those cameras to see certain
things and and point the camera in different directions we were recording on those monitors so
what that means is that if something was not present on the monitor or at that time it was not being recorded okay does
that make sense yeah so we were only recording what was being monitored now I currently work in a different building
that is under a different situation this security system is constantly recording
it's always recording out of every camera whether it's being monitored or not now what it does so that you don't
have millions and millions and hours of recording what it does is it's set up to
detect motion and so it will only save portions of what was recorded by by setting it to like you know 10 seconds
before it sees a motion it will record everything until 10 seconds after it doesn't detect the motion again well
actually maybe we are perfect to diagnose this case because you are a security guard or a Security
administrator yes I was in charge of all of the security and I suffered with a mental illness so I think we're perfect
for this case um so here here's my caveat to everybody listening now while I would be considered an expert on those
two security systems every security system is very different right and I'm guessing that the one at the seil hotel
is probably not much like either of the two more modern security systems that I was running the problems I have that I
see from the get-go are that one I don't believe that this is a hotel that is conducting routine Security checks right
uh because you have faulty equipment and they've decided that having faaly equipment is fine with them that becomes
a budget issue they know that these cameras are not working it's not that something bad happened one day and they
just discovered these cameras aren't working they willingly ran the hotel without these cameras working now did
did they not have the budget to fund this we don't know but but their thought was they were saying was that you know
what we have these cameras the physical camera itself whether it be working or not they're posted in these different
positions so people therefore in the hotel and walking amongst the floors of the hotel believe that they are being
filmed or being watched so they will conduct themselves as appropriately well and they are being watched right so I
mean in the defense of the hotel you have security guards there you have people monitoring the whole hotel it's
you know they don't have any obligation to you know film everything and house everything right you know the their main
job is to prevent anything from happening you know and then and then the second would be if something does happen
to record it but it's just odd to me that we have a recording a famous recording inside that elevator but
nothing outside nothing in the because it would be it would be really interesting to watch this video and
watch it from the inside and the outside because there's times that she steps off
the screen and you kind of can't see what she was she's doing but if if we had footage of inside the lobby would
know what she was doing the thing I wanted to make sure that we pointed out here Captain is that this video footage
uh according to Los Angeles news departments okay it's listed as this footage being taken at 8:31 a.m. on
February 1st the reason why I wanted to be very clear about that is that because every every bit of this footage
that I've seen online the the time stamp is like you cannot see it you cannot tell what time it states on there uh
there's even been people that have reported that you cannot see the time and kind of guessed was it 1: in the
morning you know what at what time did this video footage take place I just wanted to point out that it's
been reported in Los Angeles as 8:31 a.m. now mind you my other caveat there would be we don't know how accurate
we've seen how faulty their security camera system is already we don't know how accurate that time stamp would be
but it gives us something it gives us a bit of a place marker to work around and
there's a lot of speculation that there this tape is actually altered and there I see maybe some evidence of that but
anyways let's just get right into it let's just just do a play byplay of this video all right so I'm starting the
video now it is rolling the door is opening Alisa enters from the left goes she dips down she starts
pushing it looks like every button on the left hand side mhm they all light up she steps back goes to the corner she's
now hanging out in the corner for a little bit and then she's kind of creeping around the side then she jumps out and
she kind of pokes her head to the right to the left now she steps away and now she's against the wall now she goes into
the corner back against the wall like right up against it and then right into the corner now she's stepping around the
corner and she looks out to her right kind of creepy like where where like her body's pretty much in the doorway but
the but she's tilting her head out to look into the hallway and she steps out with her right foot she looks to her
left jumps out she takes a side step back it's it's almost like she's doing the cupid
shuffle or something yeah so she just went to her left and then went back into the elevator and then back out again now
she's in the hallway you can see her right arm but that's about it and right now she's standing where the elevator
buttons would be in the hallway and she's waving something but her back is still against the
wall yeah it looks like her arm is up her right arm is up her back is to us and it looks like she's messing with her
hair yeah now she comes in and she starts pushing all the buttons for her left hand right hand
she's pushing everything twice this is a lot more disturbing than the first time I watched
it this is probably so thrilling for the listeners now she keeps I mean she's just pushing buttons now she steps out
almost uh fixes is her hair but almost like she's kind of distraught like the hell is going on here she's in the
hallway again now she's waving her hands like kind of in yeah very now she almost looks like
she's doing some weird dance move and now she's doing something with her fingers almost like
she's dancing with her fingers this is way more disturbing than the first time I watched it
her arms are up again and now she walks down the hallway yeah you can't see her nothing
just cannot see her at all she doesn't you yeah she's not in frame anymore she doesn't come back into
frame and now the elevator door closes yeah and that that clip you can find it online it's about uh roughly
about four minutes but she's pretty much only in the video for about 3 minutes of
that whole clip well and after the elevator door closes then we see the elevator doing what you exactly would
think it would do it starts going to the floors of the buttons that she has pushed and it's opening on each floor
you can tell that these floors are different because when the door opens each time
the the the decor is slightly different you might see different paint on the walls or a different uh floor tile as it
goes through these different floors all right so this definitely is some creepy footage and if you haven't watched it
you should go do so now and I'll actually probably just take that footage and put it up on our website at true
Crim garage.com um what's your takeaway from this this is the first time we watched
it together yeah so my my initial thoughts um when I when I had watched it by myself the first time seeing it it
looked to me when she goes into the elevator after pressing all the buttons and then she goes right up against the
wall like that's a move that you would do if you were like hiding from somebody yeah and then she furthers that by going
into the corner like maybe the person's getting closer or she's more fearful and
she's hiding even slightly but that's not initially initially she doesn't do that right there's a couple movements
before she goes against the wall and then goes into the corner right right and what I'm saying is she goes in she
presses multiple buttons she looks very relaxed at that point and then until she
goes right up against that wall again my initial thought there was she's hiding from somebody MH but then she kind of
like I don't know if she comes to or what but then she decides to step off of the elevator right now one key thing to
me was the corner that she's hiding in is opposite of where the the buttons for the
elevator call buttons what you would call the call buttons which would be the buttons in the hallway there it's the
opposite side and so to me I I had always wondered you know when she's hiding from somebody your first thought
too is why are these elevator doors not closing immediately you know um I will say that that all elevators do act
differently from one another they're finicky they're extremely finicky um and what you can do on an elevator you can
easily confuse an elevator and what an elevator will do as a security precaution that if you override the
system by hitting a bunch of buttons or hitting things in a weird sequence right
its natural state is to want to to default to a safety mode where therefore keeping the doors open is technically a
safety mode for most elevators being that it allows people to exit if they need to and it prevents the elevator
itself from operating so where where some people might say that well the the building's haunted and the elevator is
not closing because she's running from something that's taking control of the building or taking control of the
elevator I don't think the do not closing you know is any evidence of that I think I think she's in an old elevator
she's given it too many commands and it's just hesitating to close yeah so my stance on par normal
stuff is there's definitely some stuff that I've experienced or some stories I've heard from people that I can't
explain but I wouldn't say that I'm somebody that normally dives into that or believes into that a lot and in this
situation I I don't think there's some Paranormal Activity happening yeah the only time that that the Paranormal
Activity made me question was when she when she's doing those weird hand movements when she's like outside of the
the elevator and you know some people have said it it looks like she's almost casting a spell or you know doing
something like that like you know um that's sorry that's your your spellcasting sound okay um but but to me
it more looks like she it almost looks like somebody talking with their hands a little bit more rather than than casting
a spell right and then then people would wonder is she talking to somebody outside of the elevator
mhm I did have a thought that the reason why the elevator doors might not be closing is that somebody standing
outside in the hallway hitting the call button which would prevent the elevator door from closing however with her
hiding in that particular Corner she would be more visible to that person given the angle of those call buttons
you know what I mean like if that was in fact what was going on yeah my initial takeaway from this and like I said then
watching it back it's like seems a lot creepier than it initially did when I first watch it because when I first
watch it you see her push the buttons all the buttons which is odd and it's like one of the things I
kind of thought was you know uh my family used to stay at like the Holiday Inn you know hotel motel holiday in and
uh it it was about like 30 minutes from our house but for some reason it was like Hey we're going to go stay in a
hotel and we'd get a you know swim in the pool and stuff like that but sometimes when you have other kids
around you'd start playing like tag right but you would be using the elevators and so you jump on the
elevators you push all the buttons so was she playing some you know some elevator game of tag
with somebody but that doesn't seem likely cuz one people booted her out of a room
because she was acting odd uh two she's also a lot older so it doesn't seem like
that's something that she would even be that interested in doing if somebody ask
she's by herself so we we shouldn't you know what I mean you would assume you play an elevator tag game you're doing
that with people that you know um yeah hopefully she's not playing an elevator elevator tag game by herself my my
initial thoughts were that that she was afraid of something she's trying to hide
and then once she gets back into the hallway that she's seeing something that maybe she doesn't think is real and
that's why she's moving her hands in a weird way when I when I take a step back and I and I view it a second time and I
think about I I try to put myself into her sandals right so my thoughts are are a couple things right so if there were
something some entity or some ghost or something that you think that you saw or that you saw and you're afraid of what
would my natural instinct be well in any situation it's going to be fight or flight but if you're seeing something
that you don't know is real or you're seeing something that you're terrified of that that doesn't seem like it should
be real my first thought would be flight to to somewhere where I know people are
right and so being that I wouldn't hop into an elevator and press every button to try to escape a ghost I would go
straight to the lobby where I know there's going to be other people right that would be my initial reaction to the
Paranormal type stuff now if if she's actually afraid of a a real person then the other problem becomes
well why would you push every single button you know it that again doesn't make sense right and I I think what we
have here is first when she's getting on the elevator she she's walking in a very
calm demeanor mhm and then her next handful of actions um are still pretty calm like
she steps to the side you know being polite I'm going to go in this corner the door is not
shutting probably because you pushed every button on the left hand side said the first re the first uh Mo movement
that she makes that is very odd is when she kind of sticks her head out and looks to the right and looks to the left
and that's very odd but maybe she's also just a shy person and she's concerned that she doesn't want to look like a
dummy or maybe she's doing something kind of goofy by pushing all the you know I'm going to go to Every floor just
to go to Every floor maybe she's bored and just trying to find somebody to talk to or and then so she doesn't want to
look dumb but then the next movement was against the wall stays there for a second back against the wall and then
she goes in the corner now a lot of people speculate that's when she's hiding from somebody I would you know if
you have not watched this video I'll just say go watch the video now so I don't I don't want to you know tamper
with anybody's ideas I don't want to put ideas into other people's heads so do that now so my thought is it's pretty
simple she's going against the wall because she's trying trying to have the sense that she's thinking the door's not
shutting because the motion sensor right so I'm going to go against the wall so maybe that the sensor will
close the door and when she goes against the wall it doesn't work so then she goes to the corner okay and then she
walks out again and again she's not rushing she's not running she's very seems pretty
calm and then that's when she starts making those weird Hocus Pocus motions and I can't really explain those a lot
of people say well maybe she was in the club so maybe she was like doing some weird club dance move and I made the
joke that she looked like she's doing the cupid shuffle again those move movements to me
some of them seem like she's trying to trip some sensor even when she starts she's doing the Hocus
po I can't even talk today Hocus Pocus type motions but when she starts doing those within like the doorway of the
elevator to me me that's to trip some kind of sensor right right I agree and that the part that you were describing
earlier which is the part that I think really kind of terrifies people the first time they see it is where we see
her what I would call jump into the hallway uh and the way you described it had people not seen it before might be a
little confusing on how this actually plays out she's making very casual movements up into this point and then
she very quickly throws her right leg her right knee forward and she she doing lunge yeah and she quickly puts her head
down almost at waist level and looks to her right and then very quickly looks to
her left yeah it's kind of like boom boom boom and then she Retreats again into the elevator which which makes it
does make it seem like well she's looking for somebody that might be coming down the hallway on either side M
and she's she's might have been chased to this point to where she she doesn't know fully know where this person could
come from and and then I start questioning though it if there's somebody outside did she meet somebody
while she was in LA uh like we said we she was moved from one room to another so it doesn't seem like she's having a
bunch of communication with other Travelers right um or maybe she was acting odd and there was somebody from
the hotel out there yeah and that's been an argument that people have put forward
that maybe she wouldn't go to you know when I said I would flight to the lobby where I know other people are the
argument would be then be well if she's hiding from somebody that works at the hotel uh that that might not be her
first option she might not want to go to the lobby yeah the thing I see here though Captain is that I don't see while
I see you know some quick movements on her part right I don't really see anybody that appears to be in any hurry
to go anywhere yeah I mean I mean three minutes at least three minutes of the film she's in or around the
elevator I've also go ahead well I was just going to say that it's one of those things every time we dive into a case uh
it always seems like there's one or two things that I wish we had because you know if we had those we'd have more
answers and I really think if we had some kind of footage from the lobby cuz there's so much of the you see her in
frame but you might only see her arm mhm again what is she just doing is she just
standing out there just sitting patiently and maybe she was you know got off the elevator I'm just going to stand
here and the door will eventually close but it didn't so then she jumps back in it's um I don't know she appears to me
to be stalling the elevator that's really what I think when I when when I see her get in and hit every button that
that to me tells me that she's trying to hold up that elevator for some reason and maybe maybe not even just to keep it
at that floor but to stall it from wherever it may be getting called from uh I have heard right but if you're
going to stall it you just go in there and push door open right I wouldn't think that the the lay person would go
in knowing that if I push all the buttons that it's going to stall out the elevator I don't think that was her
intent the the reason why I say that though is I see other evidence of her what I would say
stalling the elevator where where she's using other means of that where where she's standing with her body in the
elevator and peering out into the hallway um that to me is is stopping that door from closing that's that's
keeping that motion sensor alive and it's not allowing the door to close then once she right but that doesn't make any
sense with the the you know the second and third motion of her going against the wall and then going in the corner
that wouldn't be a a um me mechm that you'd use to stall the elevator right no it wouldn't be my first go-to I but what
I'm saying is I see I see three things in that video that look to Me Like Somebody stalling the elevator and and
one is pushing all the buttons and and you're right maybe she doesn't know or most people wouldn't know that that
could potentially stall the elevator two she's obstructing the door from closing
more than once even with those weird hand movements she's she's breaking that that sensor and keeping that door open
even longer and then when we do see her and we know that she's still next to the
elevator when we can see her arm but not her body she's where the call buttons would be in the hallway where one could
push those buttons or hold those buttons down keeping that elevator door open as
well mhm I know that none of them are definitive things of a person trying to stall the elevator I'm just going off of
the fact that I see three what could be a attempts of stalling this elevator well and you you know with your
experience I mean you've watched probably thousands and thousands of hours of surveillance
footage well and having a really good knowledge of of drinking your beer it's Gatorade uh but not having a really good
working knowledge of of the elevators is that what you call beer yeah it's my energy fuel for the show it has your
electrolytes in it I do want to point out something as we're discussing these elevators though again very finicky
machines mhm um you know don't that was my nickname in high school finicky machine don't play on the elevators that
that's not that's not a good thing they will close on you even though they're not supposed to they will behave in
strange ways um I don't want anybody you know nobody needs a Los an arm off a playing elevator tag MH I I feel like
I've given my kind of you know initial thoughts and then a step back and and make another assessment of the video but
I don't think think I got your well well summarize yours so so mine of course the
first initial thoughts was she's hiding from somebody and something strange is is going on then at second look my
thought is that she's stalling the elevator that she's being disruptive to the operations of the hotel for some
reason like kind of a I don't know I I feel like there's a little bit of a of a little like aggressiveness in her that
that she's upset with the hotel or and and and wants to just disturb other people's visit by by holding up the
elevator or making it stop at every floor for no reason you know what I mean it seems like a very childish thing to
do remember remember when you're a kid the first time you stay in well maybe everybody didn't do this but the first
time I remember staying in a high-rise building right I thought it was funny to jump into the elevator press every
single button and then I would jump off of it and not even need to take it anywhere it was just funny to me that I
knew well it's going to stop at every floor and you know that there's somebody on one of those floors going God this
elevator takes forever um you know and then Goa you know but you're 10 and it's funny to you now I'm not I'm not saying
anything still funny now and it's still kind of funny but you see what I mean I I get the feeling like she's being
disruptive for some reason like maybe maybe she's angry that she got moved to another room maybe she's upset with
those other guests thinking well these people are rude and they they they went to the the to the front desk and
complained about me and now I'm in my own room yeah um yeah I mean let's that's the thing I mean she might have
been trying to be friendly with these other Travelers and sometimes you know sometimes people pick on other people
you know what I mean and maybe she was acting a little strange uh sometimes you need to take the strange and the and the
weird cuz sometimes that's a strange and weird can be beautiful and you take those people under your wings and become
friends with them and and I think you know one we should all do a better job of trying to be inclusive to people you
know because people need other people and also you know it goes to the point that you know these Travelers probably
didn't know that she was dealing with something and probably looking back on this now when they go oh yeah we were
the people that complained on her and maybe this wouldn't have happen if we were just more again open to people's
differences and try to be inclusive or just try to be understanding and so I understand that her idea might have
been you know personally to me I'd go I'm in a youth hostile situation where I'm with a bunch of other people and you
want to give me my own room so so these people stay is better to me I'm all for it upgrade my room give me a king-size
bed and you know put a bunch of little liquor bottles in the fridge and U put that on the house and you you feel like
going from being living in a petting zoo to being a fat cat in the sky yeah give
me a I want to be a fat cat in the sky and but maybe it just rubbed her the wrong way you know well and here's one
thing I wondered about that situation Captain so if if you're at the front desk and somebody complains you know we
got this person that's behaving strangely and then your response is going to be yeah you're in a shared room
you know there's all different walks of life in there um you're in a shared room
that's what you for well then a from the same room comes down and complains about
the the same then that person of you're going to that complaint is now Justified
and you're going to move that other person to keep these two people happy I wonder to me I wonder if she wasn't
behaving strangely at all is there a possibility that the two people in the room already that complain about her do
they know one another do were they hoping that oh we'll we'll share room at this discounted rate because we can say
other people can stay here and if they put anybody in here we'll just complain about you and I have flown on Planes
together and what's the thing that we usually do when they have three seats in a row and it's just the two of us you
sit on one side I sit on the other side we leave the middle seat empty and then we give the nasty stare down to
everybody that walks down the aisle so they don't want to sit between two garage dudes mhm and it usually works
yeah or or once they sit down we start complaining about theming right so they have to move them
like can you move this guy being a jerk that's right he's got hairy arms yeah so
well maybe these people were just going hey let's uh let's just complain because
if we complain then we'll just get an upgrade I got I you know I have friends that will get a hotel room and then they
instantly nothing's wrong with it they just call in and go the room doesn't look so clean because they know that
they're going to get an upgrade be a DB just to get the the upgrade for no reason being a jack wagon the old JW old
DB in the JW yeah so I to me Captain I see somebody that looks like they're stalling the elevator for what purpose I
don't know but what it does tell me if I'm right um and not saying that I am but if one's trying to stall the
elevator then that throw that shows me she's not running from something or someone that doesn't make a lot of sense
here I mean to me it seems like you're trying to play who can be the dumbest guy in the room game and you're winning
um but cuz it doesn't make any sense to me because if you're is trying to stall the elevator and you don't want to ride
on the elevator mhm then why are you staying on the elevator and she stays on the elevator for a good minute of that
clip right that's why I'm saying it doesn't make a lot of sense to me I it would still stop at every floor I what
I'm saying is I don't believe she's trying to stall the elevator from leaving that floor I think she's just
trying to be disruptive install the elevator in any form or fashion she can think of now go right not really
stall might not be the right word but basically to possibly inconvenience others you're exactly right all right so
I think yeah so you just picked a really shitty word you need to work on that um I see
that and that would make sense because the thing that doesn't make any sense to me and when she comes into the elevator
she bends down almost as she as if she's having a hard time seeing the buttons like cuz she does go one hand on the
knee and puts her face very close to the buttons I mean she yeah and she almost goes to 90 you 90° angle Bend MH you
know to see these buttons and then she ends up just pushing what it looks like to me all the buttons on the left side
which makes zero sense um unless but look we've all had those times where we're staying somewhere and you know
I've traveled you know with music and stuff where I've been in one hotel one night next night different hotel next
night and I get in and I go oh I'm on floor three a [ __ ] four ah [ __ ] no it's
five but it doesn't look like that because it's BL BL blah blah blah so I don't I I don't know why she's hitting
every button so the stall thing makes sense but you know my thought is when she is backing away it's and going
against the wall and going in the corner it's not to hide from somebody or hide from some paranormal uh entity it's to
get the sensor to realize that it's time to close the door and move on uh a lot of those
movements I can't I can't explain I can't explain the whole Cupid Shuffle and I can't well and most people can't
and that's why the the footage is so fascinating yeah and I've never uh like I said I was treated you know for
bipolar that's what they started treating me for I was never diagnosed with bipolar um I never had a manic
episode I've had friend friends that have had manic episodes uh some of them could remember small details of the
manic episodes uh but they couldn't remember the full situation uh I worked with a singer songwriter one time that
she went missing for a couple weeks we didn't know where she was she wasn't showing up for the session she had
booked and she had an episode and she ended up was she was arrested and then once they
realized that she was just offer medication uh she was released and she told us I don't don't really remember
why I was down at the state house I was convinced though that somebody was going
to harm somebody else MH mean she doesn't remember much of the details but she remembers certain parts of the event
but again here Alisa doesn't look like she's acting I mean other than a couple weird it's almost like normal movement
normal movement oh that's weird normal movement normal movement for super weird 75 or 80% of the video she's moving very
casually to me so those are our initial thoughts and kind of our summarized thoughts you know yeah maybe she's
trying to stall it maybe she's trying to inconvenience the hotel we don't think that there's anything going on
paranormal that we can tell I mean like again I mean it's not like we have video
footage of the the hallway and there's like you know some ghost you know the ghost buster guy Slimer Slimer yeah um
but that's kind of our thoughts and now we have tomorrow you know cuz there's no
way we're going to finish all this cuz we have a lot of theories I'm surprised that we have so much more to get to um
you know we we have to talk about the rooftop we have to talk about the body being found we have to talk about the
autopsy we have theories Tumblr uh it goes on and on and on yeah we're kind of long winded today but I think
it's good I mean I wanted to give a you know a little bit of your background as you know being a Security administrator
and all that stuff and uh and yeah I mean I kind of opened up the floodgates of personal life mhm you opened up the
garage door and exposed yourself I sat down in the chair and I told no the the reason for doing that
was because I think it is a sensitive issue especially in this case and I know we brought it up multiple times and uh I
think it's something that we should be sensitive about but it's something that we should be open and also honest about
cuz maybe by me saying hey look I've dealt with it I've I've been on prescription pills before I've seen a
therapist I've tried to work out some of the stuff that was going on in my head and then in my heart however you want to
view that uh and it's not the easiest thing to talk about and sometimes um gets a little emotional because I I feel
like I'm in a better place now and so to think back on the the really hard or dark times is not the best and I don't
need a bunch of people sending me comments saying oh thank thank you so much I'm not trying to be a champion uh
for mental health I think it's something that we all can do pretty simple just be
open honest uh let people in be kind to people right understand that people are walking different paths than you are
there's someday E look even if you're not diagnosed with you know some kind of mental you know we all have good days
and bad days good days and bad days yeah exactly and it's like those and everybody knows those bad days where
somebody's being a little nicer to you or just you know says hey nice shoes right right nice jib yeah right it it
picks you up uh so I don't need a bunch of comments about that just if you want to do anything about it just be open and
honest with your friends and your family and also just try to be kinder to each other be nice to the people around you
be nice to a stranger too because you don't know what that person's going through you don't know where that person
is from maybe they're from another town or another country and and they're confused about where they are just be
nice to one another is all all the captain's pushing for here yeah be kind don't suck don't be a douche wagon and
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quick I I told you that you were going to have to talk about it on this show today yeah so I everybody knows that I
do music uh you can check out I just launched a website it's more like a uh musical Journal if you will there's not
a bunch of stuff on it yet I'll be posting because everybody ask me so it's uh Captain fat hands
mhm I'm releasing my my real name it's Professor Captain fance just go to Captain fat hands.com uh and that is
going to be my little site for my musical journal and on this Friday on St Patrick's Day I have a project that I
was involved in uh I write a lot of songs and I sing uh normally not for other people and the Project's name is
St Patrick and the album is called tin man and that will be on iTunes this Friday on St Patrick's Day right so the
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Elisa Lam /// Part 1 /// 89

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A young pretty student was found drowned in a water tank on a roof of a hotel. Where not one but two notorious serial killers had conducted their business. Just minutes before her death she had been caught talking to someone or something invisible on a hotel security camera. The internet went wild with cries of demon possession and foul play. Of course this sounds like a horror film so it was only fitting that this occurred in Los Angeles. Tonight we discuss the disappearance and mysterious death of Elisa Lam.

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Brief Summary

Alisa Lamb's mysterious disappearance and death raise questions about mental health and the circumstances at the Cecil Hotel.

Key points

The Mysterious Death of Alisa Lamb. Alisa Lamb, a Canadian tourist, was found dead in a hotel water tank, raising many questions.
Cecil Hotel's Dark History. The Cecil Hotel, where Alisa stayed, has a notorious past filled with suicides and murders.
Alisa Lamb's Disappearance. Alisa Lamb, traveling alone, disappears after checking into the Cecil Hotel.
Search Efforts Intensify. As communication stops, her family and police join forces to find Alisa.
Surveillance Footage Released. The LAPD releases the infamous surveillance footage of Alisa in the hotel elevator.
Speculation on Timestamp Accuracy. The timestamp of the footage raises questions about its reliability.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This case has been on our list for quite some time.

The hosts discuss the popularity of the Alisa Lamb case.

10:39WatchNov 16, 2023

Tension

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