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[Music] crime [Music] [Music] in The Disappearance of 3-year-old William Terrell now we spoke about the
Dynamics of his family yesterday he has biological parents he has foster parents
the three-year-old went missing while in the care of his foster parents at the grandmother's home now the parents the
foster parents have not been without suspicion because especially very early on in this investigation the public
wanted to know one why can't we learn the identity of these parents and two what are what else are they hiding mhm
so the parents agreed to an interview this took place in April of 2015 it's my understanding that this was
a police interview and this was released to the public and there's some interesting answers and questions here
during the course of this interview now I want you to keep in mind when you listen to this that not only have the um
the identities been been hidden from the public in this interview you can watch video of this but you're just going to
see shadow images of these two individuals and the voices that you are hearing have been altered to further
disguise the identity of these two people we're just going to read the questions from the interviewer because
those are the hardest to hear and also the audio at the beginning isn't so great but it gets better as the
interview goes along the first question that is posed by the interviewer is he asked the foster parents to explain to
the public public this whole process you know this is a very high-profile case he's asking them to tell the public what
it is like to walk a mile in their shoes and what they have been through it's like it's the never ending nightmare we
wake up we we we just relive it it's just it's I just can't believe it's happened
it's um we we we just don't have our boy we just he's we have no idea where he is we
don't know who's got him we don't know what's happening to him we know nothing about it we just want it to be over now
there's been a lot of people that have taken this interview and they've kind of tore it apart and really analyzed the
answers that the foster parents are giving to these questions and that first question there is one that has been
scrutinized quite a bit where people question the Foster mother stating where she states that we don't know where he
is we don't know what happened to him we just want this to be over and I think you could make an argument for either
side of the fence here because a lot of people say this might point to some sort
of guilt by the foster parents you know where they're they're claiming their innocence in a question where it wasn't
necessary for them to claim their innocence we don't know where he is we don't know what happened to him and then
the other portion is that people state that when she says we just want this to be over mhm that she might be referring
to the investigation personally Captain I I tend to argue the other side of the fence here where when she started
off with her answer it's we are living a nightmare we wake up every day and it's
repeated is what she's basically saying yeah I think she's implying that she wants the nightmare to be over exactly
she's heartbroken she can't imagine what could have happened to this child it's a
nightmare and and she just wants that portion of it to be over the interviewer is going to ask them when was the last
time you saw William that morning the 12th at mom's place 10 about 10:15 and uh can you just give a bit of
a background what was he doing he's at his so that's a little odd yeah yeah very odd when asked when was the last
time that you saw William you hear the Foster father start to give an answer of about
10:15 and it sounds like his wife is correcting him at that point she start no no but then but then they're cut off
by the interviewer right and I'm curious what would she have said what was she about to say to her
husband before she was cut off by the interviewer right because all the reports say that she saw him last about
1015 not only that it's almost as if she's trying to remind her husband wait a second you were gone when he went
missing by all reports you were off making this business bus call or this Skype communication and we don't want to
speculate too much because it could have been as simple as him saying oh 10:15 and again if she was going to correct
him well no you were gone and he he could have been saying well he asked us as a group mhm right you know what I
mean so it's like my wife saw him last at 10:15 right so and that's that's interesting that you say that because
we've all come across husband and wife combos that that do that they're the best aren't they when asked a question
you may have one person in the group that thinks that it's it's a question specifically for them and for their
knowledge and what they know about the situation only where you have either the wife or the husband going well we
collectively we last saw him around 10:15 on that day now we will speed along through this interview because
it's quite lengthy and we're not there's no reason to play the whole thing here so before we get to their next
response um one thing I do want to tick off my list here is that when asked what
William was last doing the mother states that he was having fun he was playing he
was playing daddy tiger she give some kind of name to the game that she believes that they were playing now the
Father the Foster father I find his answer a little a little weird in the sense that it's very vague his answer is
William was just doing what he would normally do and and I get that that Williams Foster father was not present
or not supposed to have been present at the approximate time that he was the boy
was abducted or went missing however we need to keep in mind that and in April of 2015 when this interview is being
conducted police are working under the assumption that this little boy has been abducted it seems strange to me and I
know that these parents are probably traumatized in their in their own manner in their own way from living through
this experience but it seems a little strange to me that they are quite vague with this answer of what the little boy
was doing when he was last seen because if we are talking about an a an abduction here well the mom's not that
big there could be some importance as to what the boy was doing when he was last
being supervised by an adult well let's go over the foster mother's accounts of the moment that she realized that
William was missing I just I'm I'm I I I think back to that that moment where I just when I can't hear him why why why
can't I hear him and I walked around serious it was just 2 m 3 m away from where we were sitting and I've just
walked out and I just see nothing I I see nothing I hear nothing I I'm speechless I'm walking around in a
circle on the spot thinking where is he why can't I see him and I'm yelling out William where are you you need to talk
to Mommy tell me where you are I can't see you I can't hear you where where are you and he was nowhere and I just I just
standing there thinking how could he just disappear cuz he just disappeared I don't I don't get it I don't get it
later in the interview the foster parents are asked when did you first suspect abduction I I from the from in
my mind it was immediate because there was no way in the world William would have gone into that bush it's too thick
it's Lantana all through it there is no way in the world he would have gone into
that bush and being a cautious boy as you said he going to think twice about doing yeah yeah I it was it was in my
head and even mom even when I was talking with Mom while we were waiting and I was doing the Frantic thing around
running through the house and opening up cupboards and all sorts of stuff I just
kept going in my head somebody's taken him I can't there was it in my mind it was the only logical explanation for
what could have happened yeah a child in that situation in that circumstance in those surrounds would not just disappear
into thin air I mean I I had my I had my doubts uh I I didn't know what to believe at the time especially in the
first hour or or two I I didn't know what to believe but um I guess my mind was wondering as to what what what could
have happened to him but I just had to keep on going and and have the support of the the community around us that
we're also looking for the police were on scene within minutes which was absolutely fantastic
um but I didn't know what to believe but in that Community you don't expect you don't expect someone to take a
child I mean seriously it's a tiny Community everybody knows each other in those around those
streets there's complete trust it just it just I'm I'm astounded that there there could be
somebody living there or people living living there that could do this it just it's just it's not the place where you
would you'd expect it in the city you'd expect abductions in the city you don't expect to hear about abductions in
Kendall and out of my month Street I mean it's just ridiculous the thing that I want a red flag here Captain is I find
it a little strange that you know we heard the 911 call sorry I said 911 we heard the
triple 0o emergency call same same where she reports little William as missing now here in this interview which is
conducted you know nearly half more than half a year later she states that when did you think that he first was abducted
that somebody came and physically took this child and she says almost immediately immediately I felt that that
was the only thing that could have happened it was the only reasonable explanation why I could not find this
little boy she had a intuition which look the only thing to me here is for my thought the when I first heard the
triple zero call listened to it multiple times I always thought that she sounded
a little a little concerned but um very calm maybe a little reserved um my thought though was always
that your first immediate thought usually is not that the child is abducted is that this child is just
missing they've wandered off somewhere they found somebody to play with down the street and now once we bring in some
people to help with this search once we raise the alarm we're going to feel a little embarrassed because he will be
easily found that was my thought listening to those emergency calls before however after hearing this
interview I'm a little perplexed here at at her saying that she believed that he
was abducted almost immediately and then sounding so calm on that emergency call
well I think part of it is not wanting to you can feel things or have senses of things but she might have not wanted to
believe that I also think that she sounded a lot more distraught on that call and I think she was holding back a
lot I think there's little moments of that call that that allude to that and you bring up a good point here if if
people are able to stay somewhat reserved and that they don't go into panic mode usually they are able to be
more productive in a solution to whatever problem everyone is experiencing so yes maybe she's just
kind of cool Under Pressure here and trying to stay from panicking so that she can help find her little boy and
present as much information as she can yeah and could you know put yourself in her shoes I mean she gets up to go look
for William cuz she does not hear him let's and her first gut reaction is somebody took him mhm
you don't want to be going around why people are looking for him going I have a feeling somebody took him right and
then you're going to freak everybody else out yeah so I think that's part of it too and I think now she's
stating and what's kind of fascinating to me is the how it's impossible you know it's
like she can't she's having a hard time in her brain connecting the dots you know on how he went missing and this
small Gap and how it doesn't make any sense right and and that's to me very real like if you know it's hard for me
to believe that she had something to do with it when that is real like she's you
can tell that her brain is still confused on how he went how he just kind of poof and went missing yeah
even seven months later still kind of processing the events of that day and how this could have possibly have
happened now moving on in the interview she will be asked they will be asked if William was abducted do you feel that it
was somebody from the area I don't think it's somebody from the community I think
it's someone who doesn't have a history there I think it's oh I'm saying I if if
I mean I don't know for sure I I can't see I can't see a true local who knows my mom who knows us and knows our family
choosing to take our child I can't see that and if that's the case then I feel so sorry for that Community because that
is absolutely disgraceful and nobody can trust a soul that's not the community of
Kendall people trust each other there dad do you feel the same way absolutely I think the community's
probably going through just as tough a time as we are because there are so many families there with young children that
have now changed their lives as well the impact that that's actually had on them
um for for I don't know what's what period of time but it's it's it's yeah it is disgraceful and probably the
toughest question that they had to ask was what do you think happened to William that's a that's a hard question
um I think that if I could answer it by saying that I mean for I think I tro those grounds myself for three or four
days you know every morning until almost Nightfall um we had had po we had police
from all around we had you know SCS we had the community if he was out there in the bush he would have been found yeah
which you know as I was walking through the bush with other people it it became more aware to me as time went on that
this event is this is not a normal event this is not a child gu missing in the bush this this is heading down the path
of abduction or something more more Sinister um that's that's what I I I believe I truly believe now and I'm I'm
I still pray to this day that I still believe strong that he's alive if he is still alive then someone
has him so what would the foster parents say to that person right now just give him back do the right thing give him
back take him to a church take him to a police station take him to a school give him to someone give him give him
back and if somebody out there knows something or knows the person that took William what would you say to them say
something to police straight away yeah say something because what what what they say or what they potentially bring
is another piece to the puzzle that can at least give get us closer to an outcome um and I said before you praying
for a miracle for him to return alive um but praying for an outcome so that at least we we
can know what's happened to it that's that's that's the goal at the end of the day I suppose the other thing too is if
they don't come forward or even the person who might be uh very close to whoever's done this if they don't come
forward you don't want this happening to anyone else no you don't want this person striking again yeah you said um
right at the beginning walk a mile in our shoes you can't walk a mile in our shoes unless you've it's actually happen
and I don't think any parent anywhere deserves to walk and M in our shoes it shouldn't happen it just should
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some powerful stuff from the foster parents of William tiell there in that interview now some more thought on the
possibility of either a pedophile ring being involved in the Abduction of little William or at least the thought
that maybe more than one abductor was present on the day that he was taken this comes from information that was
provided to authorities from the family of a convicted pedophile now the family states that there are two people here
and these should be two persons of interest in this case both are convicted pedophiles or at least convicted to have
had some kind of child sex offender charges on their record they claim that their family member
has claimed to have met up with his friend who is also a child sex offender on the day that William happened to be
abducted or at least disappeared okay so the first individual that we're talking about is a man named
Tony Jones so he was the pedophile whose White Station Wagon was seized in the investigation into Williams
disappearance now this man has 90 offenses on his criminal record 90 offenses on his criminal record he
has charges against him for uh pedophile type crimes before and after The Disappearance of William trell now he
claims that he was going to go meet up with a man by the name of Bickford Paul Bickford another um these guys are both
pieces of [ __ ] yes thank you Captain yeah Paul Bickford so this is the story Captain well and so I don't go off on a
three-hour rant you have 90 charges against you you shouldn't be out with the rest of the population we should be
protecting our kids you should spend the rest of your life in jail thank you thank 90 90 9 zero offens you should get
a year for at least every charge and then so you'd be in jail for 90 years you piece of [ __ ] yeah and
um like I said he has charges before and after The Disappearance of Williams so he was out during that time now their
story here's their story all right now keep in mind this was brought to police and brought to investigators by family
members of one of these individuals so the story was that the two of them were supposed to meet up they were going to
spend the day in the bush uh in the woods in the forest looking for and collecting scrap metal
now the report what the family would say is that they did not see uh Jones until
later that afternoon he did return home um but at when he returned home he was drunk uh and he did still claim that he
had spent the day in the woods collecting scrap metal it seems very very I mean we talk
about strange coincidences along the way here it seems very strange that you have
two two persons one with nine with 90 offenses against him MH that happened to meet up on the day that little William
goes missing and we have two maybe three vehicles spotted in the area of his disappearance yeah and wasn't one of the
vehicles spotted the white um the white station wagon yes and that was what was seized from this man's possession so to
further add weight to this thought theory is that it was reported that both men had lived in the Kendall area and
both had been driving vehicles that would match the description of one of the vehicles seen near the Terell house
on that day or around the time that William had disappeared mhm police have also alluded to the thought that
possibly remember bill speding that we had talked about earlier the individual that was scheduled to fix the washing
machine yeah the maintenance man that they that news reports have claimed they found a Spider-Man toy in his van police
would not confirm this or deny it m um but police have alluded that there's a possibility that bill speding may be
friends or acquaintances with one or both of these individuals that we just mentioned now so now we got three pieces
of [ __ ] publicly these men have denied that they are friends um and but we have two of them
at least hanging out together but we're not friends we just we just went to the bush to collect scrap metal we have yes
we have at least one of them that told their family member I'm going to meet this specific person and go to the woods
it with the with the objective of collecting as much scrap metal as we can for the day and I do want to give a
little more information regarding this individual bill speding so he was a repair man right he had gave the foster
grandmother a quote her washing machine was broke and apparently he had done this several days before the child had
arrived she wanted to get the washing machine fixed one just to get it fixed but two expecting house guest you don't
want the laundry to pile up apparently there was a part that was needed to repair this washing machine
uhuh and actually bill was scheduled to be there on that on the day that William
went missing mhm on the Friday correct the story goes like this though that he was waiting for the part to come in mhm
there are some reports out there that state that he tried calling the grandmother now the reports go Fork
there's a fork in the road here Captain because the reports go one of two directions a lot of the reports state
that Bill speding had called the grandmother she did not pick up the phone and he was calling to let her know
that he was still waiting on the part that it had not arrived he was not going to be able to fix the machine that day
uhhuh the other side of the fork in the road was that he was calling to report that the item had in fact come in and he
would like to come by and repair the washing machine however regardless of the fork in the road both stories all
reports indicate that the phone the phone call was not received that she did not answer the call yeah I don't know if
a message was left that would clear up what was actually about to happen had she answered the phone
however the report States the reports state that she then tried to call him back to figure out what it was that he
had wanted so apparently once they were able to make contact whether it be he called
her or she called him apparently by this point they were busy this kid has gone missing he we don't want anybody coming
out to repair the washing machine that day he did eventually go out to her home and repair the washing machine I believe
it was anywhere from 5 to 7 days after the boy had gone missing but he did return to that home now where was he
that day according to his wife that his that Bill had gone out for a cup of coffee they attended some kind of uh
midday event together and then he went back to work that afternoon and then returned home as normal that evening so
during the according to his wife during the time that William would have gone missing or would have been abducted
around that 10:15 to 10:30 marker this man was according to his wife his whereabouts were accounted for yeah I
don't believe her well I don't I'm not I'm not necessarily going to go too much into whether I need to believe her or
not for my own thoughts my thought is we don't have any investigators coming forward saying yeah we've already
cleared this individual right we we've heard his wife's side of the story he's been cleared let's move on we have other
suspects to investigate this dude as far as I can find has not been cleared he's
still he's still considered a person of interest in this investigation now let's get into some of
these theories here Captain because there's several theories about what possibly could have happened on
September 12th 2014 okay so the first thought would be much more innocent than a lot of the
other theories out there the first thought would be that the the children are outside playing mom and the
grandmother go inside to get a cup of tea they're gone for a little bit of time and during this time William goes
wanding off he goes wandering into the forest or to the bush as they call it and this is a vast area this is rugged
terrain yeah if you know I want I want everybody to keep in mind it's possible that if somebody were to wander in there
and get lost or to keep venturing deeper and deeper into those woods if a proper
search is not conducted there's a good chance that somebody could not only succumb to the
elements and pass away in those woods there's a chance that they may not be found right especially at three-year-old
yes what are your thoughts on that on that theory Captain well his foster parents talk about him being a cautious
kid so I don't know if he would actually roam that far away we also have countless reports of people searching
the property that you know within what 15 minutes or so 20 minutes or so of the boy going missing the foster dad is
running the whole property lines looking I think he would have been found I also
if you ever been to the grocery store with the three-year-old they don't like to walk that long so true so I think
that once he got into if he did get into the bush at some point he would be stopping
and not moving at all and is is there some kind of you know look the the animals I know are a little bit
different there is it possible that he went to the edge of the Bush and then somehow like an animal got him one of
those Tas devil things that uh spins around and creates a tornado and makes weird noises yeah no I just think um I I
don't think it's that likely they had a they had adequate well not even adequate
they had a amazing search team they had amazing volunteers looking for this child I think they would have they would
have found him you know I question how long the the Gap is of not you know not hearing William play mhm uh because like
we've said before there's a lot of times where somebody thinks it was a couple minutes but maybe it was a little bit
longer um I do question that but I do find the fact that the Foster mother is just
baffled by the fact that he went missing uh and she see she still seems so baffled today that I I do believe that
it was a very short Gap yeah and I think I think you nailed it there Captain I think you hit the nail on the head for
me as well because you bring up one thing that that really kind of sums it up for me with this thought and it not
being a very likely maybe even impossibility is that there was an abundance of Searchers there was an
abundance of resources that they used to try to find that little boy they used helicopters motorcycles dogs uh they
used people that were experienced in searching through that type of terrain now it's well and you bring up a good
point with the dogs is we don't have any evidence if these dogs got a scent Trail they
would they would have followed that scent into the bush yeah yeah and it's my understanding that the early searches
now this would be the grandmother the the foster mom and the people that helped in the neighborhood God Bless the
people that helped in the neighborhood and and I I didn't go too far into the details of that but it also sounds to me
like some of the children that were playing in the area not only provided answers to questions to adults that are
hey have you seen a boy have you seen a kid wearing a Spider-Man outfit not only
did they say no we haven't seen this child but they also helped look for this child and some of the kids and some of
the neighbors went door too knocking on doors asking for other people's Assistance or if they had saw some boy
wandering around now as far as going into the bush the one thing here that that really
makes me question that and I understand that maybe valuable time should he have wandered into there maybe valuable time
could have been lost while they searched the neighborhood not expecting a cautious young boy to walk into the
woods but I don't think his little legs could have carried him very far before right before we're talking about that
abundance of resources coming into look in that area specifically look in that area and as we mentioned they covered
fairly quickly three kilometers from the spot that he went missing that's a good
amount of ground the other item here is that Spider-Man outfit he's wearing that's
half of that thing is bright red the other half of it bright blue these are pretty easy colors to spot even if
you're in a helicopter far above the canopy of the of the Bush or the woods MH and I've I've heard several Searchers
talk about searching that day and one thing that they said was that the the Bush was so thick that the clothes that
they were wearing some of them experienced tear on their clothing now if any items if
little threads of of red or bright blue pieces of clothing would have been torn from from William which I would expect
that more likely than that from the Searchers that we would have seen evidence that he was at least in that
Woods at some point and again I don't know the animal situation but animals don't just kind of pick you up and
cuddle you as they carry you away there would have been some type of evidence to
suggest that something terrible had happened to the poor little boy now one thing that scares me um was that in
looking at pictures of the neighborhood and near that lot there was a a large sewer nearby mhm um and I'm sure and I
hope well I shouldn't say I'm sure but I hope that that that area was checked and
I hope that if they used dogs to check that area like they said that there were no tracks leading them to that sewer
area it looked large enough that a small child could could fit down in there uh and as they had said that it sounds like
they were playing hide and go seek when he was last seen could he have been looking for a place to hide and attempt
to hide in there not understanding what it actually was um for me I find this to
be this thought this Theory to be one that part of me wishful thinking would hope that this would be more of a
likelihood however it doesn't seem very likely that this was in fact the scenario now regarding the next Theory
Captain was that we're not hearing the full story from the foster parents that somehow the foster parents be it the
father be it the mother be it them together in some kind of team were responsible for the uh demise of this
young child and they've been able to successfully hide his corpse all these years later well let's have you tackle
this one first well my thoughts on the foster parents are this um and I share a suspicion that you have but I think my
thoughts are I suspect a little more from the foster parents the only thing I actually
think that the foster parents might be guilty of is I think that that window of time when William was
unsupervised I think it might be considerably larger than what we're told now I don't
when I say that I don't mean to throw shade at the foster mom what I mean by that is is there a chance that that's
not deliberate that they're not deliberately saying yeah I watched the kid until 10:15 and that was last time I
saw him and at 10:30 I I figured out that he was missing because I didn't hear him anymore and we have a 5 minute
window my thought is they might not have been watching the clock the entire time
that you're sitting there you're catching up with your mother that you haven't seen in a while face to face it
felt like a couple minutes yeah it felt like 15 minutes it felt like 5 minutes that they hadn't heard him 15 minutes
that they hadn't seen him maybe it could have been 15 minutes you hadn't heard him a half an hour that you had not seen
him so I think that really I don't find anything there I mean I do have some questions about some of the answers that
they've provided in that interview but mhm but really what you hear toward the end of that interview
and we didn't play the entire thing but you hear the heartache in their voices you hear their voices cracking and they
are sort of trying to fight through tears as the interview goes on and on and so I think that there's real
heartache there I think that they their hearts are broken I think that they intended to permanently adopt William
and his sister I think they thought of William as their own little boy so the only thing that they may be guilty of in
my mind the foster parents is that possibly their memory is not as clear as we would like it to be for the morning
that he went missing and maybe that window of time that he before he was noticeably missing is a little
larger yeah I just the way she goes over that and I'm going to bring it up again the the
minute that you know she real realizes he's missing and that he just kind of poof disappeared I mean you can tell
that her brain is just baffled by this so that to me lends to the idea that you know she has no clue what happened to
him so not guilty of that the problem with this though is that we don't know who these individuals are and there
could be other suspects based off of these indivi individuals if we knew for example oh this person is so and so and
this person is so and so and the the husband was having an affair and then if he was having an affair with somebody
then that person becomes a possible suspect you know what I mean so there's little
things I don't think they're guilty of anything you know that's what my gut is telling me based off their answers based
off the research but it's also we're not getting the full picture of these individuals and if we did is there
something that would be brought to the surface that you go oh well right I question that so it's I see what you're
saying it's hard for us to give a full assessment where police obviously know who these people are and they're able to
dive into their lives much better than we can um but I see what you're saying here that there could be other things at
play and the thought there too is you know was this a planned visit you know there's been speculation about that
we've proved it was a planned visit the straight from the foster mother's mouth they plan to go there on that Friday
they planed to be there that weekend the only thing that was unplanned about it was that they left on that Thursday
instead right and you point out something that's very interesting there Captain who in their lives would have
known you know just because just because that portion of the trip was unplanned there are people in their lives that
could have known were leaving a day early my work I told my work or I told this person I told the babysitter that
would typically help out you know different people so yeah I get what you're saying there so now we have to
ponder the question if we don't think that it's likely that the foster parents were
involved and you know one more one more little tidbit on that before we move on would be if if the foster parents were
involved and somehow some maybe even a freak accident or some something strange happened and they decided to cover it
up the foster grandmother would have to be going along with that you know I mean it just adds one more
piece of the pie one more thing to the equation there you know because if if the Foster grandmothers telling the
truth and in her story is is real then both of these individuals their whereabouts are accounted for Williams
time with them is accounted for up until the point where he disappears so that in
itself clearing both of them essentially the other thought though here is if it wasn't the foster parents
could it have potentially been the biological parents of William right they weren't they arrested that that day yeah
and I this is why I didn't want to go too far into that and here here's my thoughts first of all I've seen several
interviews with the biological mother and to be honest she seems very genuine she I can't say for certain that she's
telling the truth but she seems she comes off to be very honest to me so I don't see anything with the
biological mother but what I can gather from some of the interviews it actually sounds like the biological mother and
father were not together on the day that William disappeared right and where we get the information that the the
biological parents were arrested at 4:30 on the day that William had gone missing
we get that information from the biological grandmother from from the biological father's mother now we have
some problems with her statements there while they may not be entirely untrue you have to weigh them against
what the biological mother says in her interviews she does not say that she was arrested she says that she yes police
knocked on her door the day that William went missing right that they questioned
her that they forced their way inside and they searched her her home and she and they searched the grounds of her
home and one thing that one thing that is a little telling to me to make me believe that she is honest she kind of
criticizes their search she's like yeah they came into my home and they went looking around for William but she's
like that was my son missing I when they were searching my home I hope they put more effort into it when they were
searching other people's homes because they didn't search my home very thoroughly right now there was one
interesting thing when when they did search her home was they found a little boy in her backyard playing and they
thought that that was William but that was actually another son of hers that she has so the son that she is choosing
to raise well these children were taken from her right so because of her choices
well yeah I I I think it's a little harsh to to and that that's just my opinion you know you can you can be
forceful about it if you like um I think that do you think you have to be pretty
bad as a parent for them to take your kids away I don't know I'm not going to pretend to know 100% the circumstances
of why the children were taken from them because I don't I mean I grew up in the
80s and pretty much all my friends parents were not that great of parents and none of them ever got taken away
right but but again I know that neither of us know the circumstances of that situation so I think it's a little it's
a for me you can you can have your opinion for me it's a little out of bounds I think I do agree with some of
your statement there I think there she probably could have made some other choices that would have possibly have
helped her her number one complaint is that a lot of the situation was her uh boyfriend at the time the the child's
father possible and because they were still together she was kind of lumped in with him she does state that she that
was your choice she does state that she failed some kind of uh drug test uh that
she tested positive for marijuana which was going to help them decide to take away her children MH um but this is also
a woman that that says that she was um in a domestic violence relationship right during that time and I don't feel
that she feels that she had much control over the situation at the time I really
do feel that she feels more guilty than anybody involved uh for what has happened to her her yeah
I kind of was forgetting about the do domestic violence cuz it seemed like it was coming from both sides and it could
it could but I don't know the details those are that's a lot harder of a situation to be in what I do know is
that currently or at least as of 2017 she was Raising other children of hers so good for her hopefully she got
her life together so either getting rid of this guy this Brandon Collins either getting rid of him was able to help her
straighten out herself or she has done some things to straighten herself out since this well the biological the
biological parents would have been roughly what four hours away anyways yeah now if they were separate
if they were not together that day here's where I here's where I do want to throw some shade I want to throw some
shade on the biological father mhm okay because I don't I don't feel like I can trust this grandmother the biological
grandmother because through her own words she states that the state was going to come and take William away and
she helped provide money to to the biological parents so they could go on the run to keep their child right so she
aided in that situation with them being out on the Run once once the children were taking away taken away from them
this the biological father was in and out of jail when he was not in jail it sounds like he was living with his
mother and it sounds like she paints this picture of this guy that was a tea Toler until the point that his son went
missing I don't know that I can believe that he's had a strong history of of alcoholism and drug addiction he's
addicted to Ice uh the drug ice I don't see any break in that chain in in his history it appears that this was well
he's violent this has been a constant for him as well so I think what we have here is we have the grandmother painting
one picture and I think in reality there's a much different reality out there than what she's trying to throw
into the public that this guy was sober he was doing the right thing and he couldn't get his kid back um and that
you know my these kids were not involved because they were arrested fairly quickly afterwards the mother says we
weren't arrested they searched my home they questioned me that was it now she doesn't State anything about her boyfri
her ex at that time Brandon Collins now maybe maybe they show up to question Collins about his whereabouts if he was
involved if he's if he's seen William and they catch him with drugs or they find him and he's high and he's broken
some type of probation and they actually arrested him I don't know that yeah or they just took him down to the station
for questioning and and his mom's calling that arrest who knows right I I just think that we're getting one bad
story and it doesn't seem to be the truth coming from his side and I kind of question that I think that if there were
but again it's four hours away he would also have to know where they were or they followed him right I mean that's
possible but again I'm not saying he did it what I'm saying Captain is that we we've already seen a situation where the
grandmother has aided the escape and the and the AED them to keep the child and and I
don't need to be proven right or wrong here what I'm saying is that I for for the biological father to be ruled out I
need some more information I'm not saying that I think he's guilty of anything what I but I don't find truth
coming from his mother I question her story enabler right I question her story therefore I question him I question his
actions I would need some more information to clear him from as a possible suspect ECT in this situation
what are your thoughts on the biological parents uh I I don't think it was them I
I I don't think the likelihood I mean it's 4 hours away you know they left the day before so if you did follow them you
know you'd have to be gone Thursday night and nobody saw you in your car there's no record of them getting a
hotel room so I just I don't think it's likely and then also you're going to capture your kid and then where did you
put your kid mhm you know you were arrested that day and maybe not arrested but question that day both parents were
the scary thought though is that a stranger abduction or the pedophile ring or more than one
abductor almost seems like a much more likely situation than any of the other theories that we've discussed mhm that
it's it's sad to think that it's sad and scary to think that that possibly somebody was watching the area someone
was cruising and looking for a child and came across William playing in the backyard and decided to wait till he was
unattended and took him or lured him into their vehicle well and there was a pedophile ring in the area suspected
pedophile ring in the area yeah but that's I mean that's that's all I need to know as far as like I mean that's
that's a pretty big suspicion you know it's not just that there's one offender here there it's there's a ring in that
area so again and then we have the situation where we have two pedophiles meeting up to collect a scrap metal so
here's these guys that are going to go into the bush and go searching you know willy-nilly for scrap
metal to make a couple dollars you know these Rings they put a price on children
is it that far-fetched just that that we have two pedophiles in the area both their cars have been seen in the area
they were going out to look for scrap met medal to get money and they just came across a opportunity they would
make more money off a William than they would off that scrap metal well and not only that Captain but what if what about
this bill speding is there a chance that when his phone call went unanswered he decided to drive by the house to knock
on the door and say hey I got the part I can go ahead and do the today he pulls up he sees this child playing in the
backyard MH and he decides to take the child and whether for his own purposes or
to to sell him off to people that he may know police have said that he may have known these other two individuals that
they've questioned in the situation is that why he's so willing to toss up his DNA you know where it looks like hey I'm
super innocent here's my DNA go ahead and clear me but also if all I did was take the child and I didn't do anything
with them sexually or physically attack them or whatever the the chances of me leaving DNA on that individual go down
significantly at that point right I understand that but I also think you know his his vehicle what it makes it
seem like is that he had a work vehicle you would think that somebody would have
noticed a work vehicle more so than just any normal car yeah that's the one thing
that we don't get good good clear understanding of here is where we have several vehicles that are described to
have been in the area at the time and when we talk about um Tony Jones's vehicle how it matched one of the
vehicles how his vehicle was seized how Paul Bickford bford how he had a vehicle
that matched one of those Vehicles we hear that we have speding who his property was searched who was questioned
who they may have found a Spider-Man toy in his work van or work vehicle right but he had Grand grandchildren right we
also get no description of that vehicle MH you know what I mean did it did it match any of the descriptions that we've
already given of of eyewitness accounts of vehicles that were spotted in the area roughly around the time that
William had gone missing yeah but you got to be pretty ballsy just to go hey take my DNA oh yeah of course to me it
seems that to me that action seems more like somebody that you know like you said he had he did have some charges
against him I don't know what those charges were it sounds to me like somebody that's saying hey I I didn't do
this and I want to be cleared right away and and go ahead and take my DNA and I'll do anything I can to help you I
mean they search his property as well yeah I don't want to go too far into his charges because I don't have a full
understanding of them but um The Limited understanding I have of them is he has some allegations against him regarding a
six and three-year-old girl um and the the other thought though there's some confusion regarding the
allegations one being was he he was charged but was he convicted um I don't know that he was convicted the the other
issue seems to be that he at one time in his life was friends with a pretty horrific sexual predator and his claim
regarding those allegations is that the witnesses the victims are wrong that he was not the one that victimized them
that the the person that would that he knew right was the one that had in fact victimize them he doesn't claim to have
knowledge of this other than that's his speculation after having been charged right right and it seems to me like
there's a very high probability that if this guy speding wasn't involved in these allegations against These Girls He
was unaware of his friend's activities and he might even have been family members with this individual at the time
it just seems to ring true you know like it sounds a little goofy but it's like I
think there's a lot of people that get charged with these pedophile crimes and it's a shock to a bunch of people in a
community let alone somebody that was friends with somebody or somebody that was related to somebody else now despite
all of the efforts despite various search efforts by the police and the forensic testing that's been conducted
through throughout the years all of which have failed to turn up any trace of William or any clues about his
disappearance and police to this day have have yet to conclude what actually happened to little William and I do want
to leave everybody with uh this thought this is this is kind of where I go with this captain my final thoughts on this
is one that one thing that really scares me is that just because we've not found
him or found trace of him doesn't necessarily mean that the worst didn't happen we know that we know from the
Jacob wling case we know from several other cases that sometimes these things happen and the the child is taken and
very quickly killed and disposed of afterwards and it can be sometimes it can be many many years before we find
proof of that M the thing that the the thought that helps me put my head on the pillow at the end of the night and and
go to sleep is I hold on to hope that that if William was taken that by chance you know it is rare a a a child sexual
predator abduction that ends in Murder is somewhat of a rare thing what is even a little more rare is that maybe a
female that wanted to uh that took him with the thought that she would raise him as his own that she couldn't have
children for whatever reason that has happened on occasion it's very rare but at least in that scenario he would be
taken care of and probably loved um so that's where I kind of keep my fingers crossed and in hope and pray that that
might be the situation yeah I mean you you hope for stuff like that but you know a lot of times when we get these
cases it's just you know you see Williams name and right beside it it's missing child case and then once you
start diving into it you just see the I think the worst part of the the universe if that makes any sense mhm and
it's just one that um crimes against children and just the worst and um and I think the worst happened to him that's
my gut feeling um I do want to quote Bruce Markham who he is the father of Daniel Markham who was abducted and
killed in Queensland Australia in 2003 he had some words for the parents of little William and Bruce said have no
fear William is loved by the whole of Australia and we will not rest until we find that answer and who is responsible
well and this this is a awful problem that's happening down there and and they they got to do something to to fix
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This is one of the strangest missing person cases that we have looked into. It's strange because of the very short window of time in which little William goes missing. William was three years old when he was last seen. He was playing outside with his sister. According to reports William was only left unsupervised for about 15 minutes. Several strange vehicles were spotted near where William was playing. Was the little boy being watched? Did someone snatch him up and take him? Police are still working under the assumption that William is alive. This week we take a look at the details of William's disappearance. Beer of the Week - James Boag's Premium Lager Garage Grade - 3 out of 5 bottle caps

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Brief Summary

The episode covers the disappearance of William Terrell, featuring foster parents' interview and theories on potential suspects.

Key points

The Disappearance of William Terrell. A deep dive into the mysterious case of a missing child and the family's turmoil.
Foster Parents' Interview Insights. The foster parents share their experiences and suspicions surrounding William's disappearance.
The Convicted Pedophiles. Two convicted pedophiles are linked to the abduction case of William.
The Mysterious Repairman. Bill Speding, the repairman, was scheduled to fix the washing machine on the day William went missing.
The Foster Parents' Heartache. The foster parents express deep sorrow and confusion over William's disappearance.
The Role of Biological Parents. Exploring the potential involvement of William's biological parents in his disappearance.

Episode highlights

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It's just a never ending nightmare.

Foster parent describing their feelings after the child's disappearance.

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