Disappearance of William Tyrrell /// Part 2 /// 203 | Forensic Files

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beer, and let's talk some true crime. In the disappearance of 3-year-old William Tyrrell. Now, we spoke about the
dynamics of his family yesterday. He has biological parents, he has foster parents. The 3-year-old went missing
while in the care of his foster parents at the grandmother's home. Now, the parents, the foster parents, have not
been without suspicion because especially very early on in this investigation, the public wanted to
know, one, why can't we learn the identity of these parents? And two, what are what else are they hiding? Mhm. So,
the parents agreed to an interview. This took place in April of 2015. It's my understanding that this was a
police interview and this was released to the public. And there's some interesting answers and questions here
during the course of this interview. Now, I want you to keep in mind when you listen to this
that not only have the um the identities been been hidden from the public in this
interview. Mhm. video of this, but you're just going to see shadow images of these two
individuals. And the voices that you are hearing have been altered to further disguise the identity of these two
people. We're just going to read the questions from the interviewer because those are
the hardest to hear. And also, the audio at the beginning isn't so great, but it
gets better as the interview goes along. The first question that is posed by the
interviewer is he asked the foster parents to explain to the public this whole process. You know, this is a very
high-profile case. He's asking them to tell the public what it is like to walk a mile in their shoes and what they have
been through. It's like it's the never-ending nightmare. We wake up. We we it we just relive it. It's just
it's I just can't believe it's happened. It's um We we we just don't have our boy. We
just he's We have no idea where he is. We don't know who's got him. We don't know what's happening to him.
We know nothing about it. We just want it to be over. Now, there's been a lot of people that have taken this interview
and they've kind of tore it apart and really analyzed the answers that the foster parents are giving to these
questions. And that first question there is one that has been scrutinized quite a
bit where people question the foster mother stating where she states that we don't know where he is, we don't know
what happened to him, we just want this to be over. And I think you could make an argument for either side of the fence
here because a lot of people say this might point to some sort of guilt by the foster parents. You know, where they're
they're claiming their innocence in a question where it wasn't necessary for them to claim their innocence. We don't
know where he is, we don't know what happened to him. And then the other portion is that people state that when
she says we just want this to be over Mhm. that she might be referring to the investigation. Personally, Captain
I I tend to argue the other side of the fence here where when she started off with her answer, it's we are living a
nightmare. We wake up every day and it's repeated is what she's basically saying.
Yeah, I think she's implying that she wants the nightmare to be over. Exactly. She's heartbroken. She can't imagine
what could have happened to this child. It's a nightmare and she just wants that
portion of it to be over. The interviewer is going to ask them, when was the last time you saw William? That
morning, on the 12th at mom's place. 10:00 about 10:15. No. And uh could you just give a bit of
background? What was he doing? Is that his grand So, that's a little odd. Yeah. Yeah, very odd. When asked when was the
last time that you saw William, you hear the foster father start to give an answer of about 10:15 Mhm. and it sounds
like his wife is correcting him at that point. She says, "No, no." But then but then they're cut off by the
interviewer. Right. And I'm curious, what would she have said? What was she about to say to her husband
before she was cut off by the interviewer? Right, because all the reports say that she saw him last about
10:15. Not only that, it's almost as if she's trying to remind her husband, wait
a second you were gone when he went missing. By all reports, you were off making this
business call or this Skype communication. And we don't want to speculate too much because it could have
been as simple as him saying, "Oh, 10:15." And again, if she's going to correct him, "Well, no,
you were gone." And he he could have been saying "Well, he asked us as a group." Mhm. Right.
You know what I mean? So, it's like my wife saw him last at 10:15. Right. So. And that's that's interesting that you
say that because we've all come across husband and wife combos that They're the best, aren't they?
When asked a question, you may have one person in the group that thinks that it's it's a question specifically for
them and for their knowledge and what they know about the situation only where you have either the wife or the husband
going, "Well, we Mhm. collectively, we last saw him around 10:15 on that day." Now, we will speed along through this
interview because it's quite lengthy and we're not there's no reason to play the
whole thing here. So, before we get to their next response um one thing I do want to tick off my
list here is that when asked what William was last doing, the mother states that he was having fun, he was
playing, he was playing Daddy Tiger. She gives some kind of name to the game that
she believes that they were playing. Mhm. Now, the father, the foster father, I find his answer a little
a little weird in the sense that it's very vague. His answer is William was just doing what he would
normally do. And and I get that that William's foster father was not present or not supposed
to have been present at the approximate time that he was the boy was abducted or
went missing. However, we need to keep in mind that in in April of 2015, when this interview
was being conducted, police are working under the assumption that this little boy has been abducted. It seems strange
to me and I know that these parents are probably traumatized in their in their own manner, in their own way from living
through this experience. But it seems a little strange to me that they are quite
vague with this answer of what the little boy was doing when he was last seen. Because if we are talking about an
a an abduction here, Well, the mom's not that vague. there could be some importance as to what the boy was doing
when he was last being supervised by an adult. go over the foster mother's accounts of
the moment that she realized that William was missing. I just I'm And I don't I think back to that that
moment where I just went I can't hear him. Why why why can't I hear him? And I walked around
just it was just 2 m 3 m away from where we were sitting. And I've just walked out and I just see
nothing. I I see nothing. I hear nothing. I I'm speechless. I'm walking around in a
circle on the spot thinking, "Where is he? Why can't I see him?" Mhm. And I'm yelling out, "William, where are
you? You need to talk to Mommy. Tell me where you are. I can't see you. I can't hear you.
Where where are you?" And he was nowhere. And I just And I just started to thinking, "How could he just
disappear?" Cuz he just disappeared. I don't I don't get it. I don't get it. Later in the interview, the foster
parents are asked, "When did you first suspect abduction?" I I from the from in my mind it was immediate because there
was no way in the world William would have gone into that bush. It's too thick. There's lantana all through it. There is
no way in the world he would have gone into that bush. And being a cautious boy as you said, he's going to think twice
about doing it. Yeah. Yeah, I it was it was in my head. And even Mom even when I was talking
with Mom while we were waiting and I was doing the frantic thing around running through the house and opening up
cupboards and all sorts of stuff. I just kept going in my head, "Somebody's taken him. I can't There was
it In my mind it was the only logical explanation for what could have happened. Yeah, a child
in that situation in that circumstance in those surrounds would not just disappear into thin air.
I mean I have my I have my doubts. I I didn't know what to believe at the time, especially in the first
hour or two or two. I I didn't know what to believe, but um I guess my mind was wondering as to what
what what could have happened to him, but I just had to keep on going and and have the support of the the community
around us that were also looking for him. The police were on on scene within minutes. Yeah. Which was absolutely
fantastic. Um but I didn't know what to believe. But, in that community, you don't expect you don't expect someone to
take a child. I mean seriously, it's a tiny community. Everybody knows each other in those
around those streets. There's complete trust. It just It just I'm I'm astounded that there there could be somebody
living there or people living there that could do this. It just it's just It's not the place where you
would You'd expect it in the city. You'd expect abductions in the city. You don't expect to sit here about
abductions in Kendall. And out of my mom's street. I mean, it's just ridiculous. The thing that I want to red
flag here, Captain, is I find it a little strange that you know, we heard the 911 call Sorry, I said 911. We heard
the triple zero emergency call. Same same. Where she reports little William as missing. Now, here in this interview,
which is conducted, you know, nearly half more than half a year later, she states that
when did you think that he first was abducted? Did somebody came and physically took this child? And she says
almost immediately, "Immediately I felt that that was the only thing that could have happened. It was the only
reasonable explanation why I could not find this little boy." She had a intuition.
Which Look, the only thing to me here is for my thought, the when I first heard the
triple zero call, listened to it multiple times, I always thought that she sounded a little a little concerned,
but um very calm, maybe a little reserved. Um my thought though was always that your first immediate thought usually is
not that the child is abducted. Is that this child is just missing, they've wandered off somewhere, they found
somebody to play with down the street, and now once we bring in some people to help with this search, once we raise the
alarm, we're going to feel a little embarrassed because he will be easily found. That was my thought listening to
those emergency calls before. However, after hearing this interview, I'm a little perplexed here
at at her saying that she believed that he was abducted almost immediately and then sounding so calm on that emergency
call. Well, I think part of it is not wanting to You can feel things or have senses of
things, but she might have not wanted to believe that. I also think that she sounded a lot more distraught on that
call, and I think she was holding back a lot. I think there's little moments of that call that that allude to that. And
you bring up a good point here. If if people are able to stay somewhat reserved and that they don't go into panic mode,
usually they are able to be more productive in a solution to whatever problem everyone is experiencing. So,
yes, maybe she's just kind of cool under pressure here and trying to stay from panicking so that she can help find her
little boy and present as much information as she can. Yeah, and could you know, put yourself in her shoes. I
mean, she gets up to go look for William cuz she does not hear him. Let's And her
first gut reaction is somebody took him. Mhm. You don't want to be going around while
people are looking for him going, "I have a feeling somebody took him." Right. And then you're going to freak
everybody else out. Yeah. So, I think that's part of it, too. And I think now she's stating
And what's kind of fascinating to me is the how it's impossible, you know, it's like she can't she's
having a hard time in her brain connecting the dots, you know, on how he went missing in this
small gap and how it doesn't make any sense. Right. And and that's to me very real.
Like if you know, it's hard for me to believe that she had something to do with it
when that is real. Like she's You can tell that her brain is still confused on how he went how he just kind
of poof and went missing. Yeah, even 7 months later still kind of processing the events of that day and how this
could have possibly have happened. Now, moving on in the interview, she will be asked They will be asked, "If William
was abducted, do you feel that it was somebody from the area?" I don't think it's somebody from the community. I
think it's someone who doesn't have a history there. I think it's I'm saying I if if I mean, I don't know
for sure. I can't see I can't see a true local who knows my mom, who knows us and knows
our family choosing to take our child. I can't see that. And if that's the case, then I feel so
sorry for that community because that is absolutely disgraceful and nobody can trust a soul. That's not the community
of Kendall. People trust each other there. Do you feel the same way? I absolutely I
I I I think the community is probably going through just a tougher time as we are because
there are so many families there with young children that are now changed their lives as well on the impact that
that's actually had on them. Um for for I don't know what's what period of time, but it's it's it's Yeah, it is
disgraceful. And probably the toughest question that they had to ask was, "What do you think happened to William?"
It's a it's a hard question. Um I I think that if I could answer it by saying that I'm in for I think
I trod those grounds myself for three or four days, you know, every morning until almost
nightfall. Um we had police We had police from all around. We had, you know, SES. We had the
community. If he was out there in the bush, he would have been found. Yeah. Which, you know, as I was walking
through the bush with other people, it it became more aware to me as time went on that this event is this is not a
normal event. This is not a child gone missing in the bush. This this is heading down the path of abduction or
something more more sinister. Um that's that's what I I I believe I truly believe now and I'm
I still pray to this day that I still believe strongly that he's alive. If he is still alive, then someone has
him. So, what would the foster parents say to that person right now? Just give him back. Do the right thing.
Give him back. Take him to church. Take him to a police station. Take him to a school.
Give him to someone. Give him Give him back. And if somebody out there knows something or knows the person that took
William, what would you say to them? Say something to police straight away. Yeah.
Say something because what what what they say or what they potentially bring is another piece to the puzzle that can
at least uh give it get us closer to an outcome. Um And as I said before, you have
praying for a miracle for him to return alive, but praying for an outcome so that at
least we we can know what's happened to him. That's That's That's the goal at the end of the
day. I suppose the other thing, too, is if they don't come forward or even the person who might be
very close to whoever's done this, if they don't come forward, you don't want this happening to anyone
else. No. You don't want this person striking again. You said right at the beginning, walk a
mile in our shoes. You can't walk a mile in our shoes unless you've actually it's actually
happened. And I don't think any parent anywhere deserves to walk a mile in our shoes.
It shouldn't happen. It just should not happen. All right, we're back. Cheers, Captain. Cheers. Cheers, me
mateys. Some powerful stuff from the foster parents of William Tyrrell there in that
interview. Now, some more thought on the possibility of either a pedophile ring being involved in the abduction of
little William or at least the thought that maybe more than one abductor was present on the day that he was taken.
This comes from information that it was provided to authorities from the family of a convicted pedophile. Now, the
family states that there are two people here, and these should be two persons of
interest in this case. Both are convicted pedophiles or at least convicted to have had some kind of child
sex offender charges on their record. They claim that their family member has claimed to have met up with his friend
who is also a child sex offender on the day that William happened to be abducted
or at least disappeared. Mhm. Okay, so the first individual that we're talking about is a man named Tony Jones. So, he
was the pedophile whose white station wagon was seized in the investigation into William's disappearance. Now, this
man has 90 offenses on his criminal record, 9 0 offenses on his criminal record. He has charges against him for
pedophile type crimes before and after the disappearance of William Tyrrell. Now, he claims that he was going to go
meet up with a man by the name of Bickford. Paul Bickford, another um These guys are both pieces of [ __ ]
Yes, thank you, Captain. Yeah, Paul Bickford. So, this is the story, Captain. Well, and I so I don't go off
on a 3-hour rant, if you have 90 charges against you, you shouldn't be out with the rest of the population. We should be
protecting our kids. You should spend the rest of your life in jail. Thank you. Thank you. Amen.
90. 90. 9 0 You should get a year for at least every charge, and then so you'd be
in jail for 90 years, you piece of [ __ ] Yeah. And um Like I said, he has charges before and
after the disappearance of William. So, he was out during that time. Now, their story, here's their story, all right?
Now, keep in mind, this was brought to police and brought to investigators by family members of one of these
individuals. So, the story was that the two of them were supposed to meet up. They were going to spend the day in the
bush, in the woods, in the forest, looking for and collecting scrap metal. Okay.
The report what the family would say is that they did not see Jones until later that afternoon. He did
return home, but at when he returned home, he was drunk, and he did still claim that he had spent
the day in the woods collecting scrap metal. It seems very very I mean, we talk about
strange coincidences along the way here. It seems very strange that you have two
persons, one with nine with 90 offenses against him Mhm. that happened to meet up on the day that little William goes
missing, and we have two, maybe three vehicles spotted in the area of his disappearance.
Yeah, and wasn't one of the vehicles spotted the white S the white station wagon? Yes, and that was what was seized
from this man's possession. So, to further add weight to this thought and theory is that it was reported that
both men had lived in the Kendall area, and both had been driving vehicles that would match the description of one of
the vehicles seen near the Tyrrell house on that day or around the time that William had disappeared.
Mhm. Police have also alluded to the thought that possibly remember Bill Spedding
that we had talked about earlier, the individual that was scheduled to fix the washing machine. Yeah, the maintenance
man. That they that news reports have claimed they found a Spider-Man toy in his van. Police would not confirm this
or deny it. Mhm. Um but police have alluded that there's a possibility that Bill Spedding may be friends or
acquaintances with one or both of these individuals that we just mentioned. Mhm.
Now, So, now we got three pieces of [ __ ] Publicly, these men have denied that they are friends.
Um and But we have two of them at least hanging out together, but we're not friends. We just We just
went to the bush to collect scrap metal. We have Yes, we have at least one of them that told their family member, I'm
going to meet this specific person and go to the woods with the with the objective of collecting as much scrap
metal as we can for the day. And I do want to give a little more information regarding this
individual Bill Spedding. So, he was a repairman, right? He had gave the foster grandmother a quote. Her washing machine
was broke. And apparently he had done this several days before the child had arrived. She wanted to get the washing
machine fixed. One, just to get it fixed, but two, expecting house guest, you don't want the laundry to pile up.
Apparently, there was a part that was needed to repair this washing machine. Uh-huh. And
actually, Bill was scheduled to be there on that on the day that William went missing.
Mhm. On the Friday. Correct. The story goes like this, though. That he was waiting for the part to come
in. Mhm. There are some reports out there that state that he tried calling the grandmother. Now, the reports go
fork There's a fork in the road here, Captain, because the reports go one of two directions.
A lot of the reports state that Bill Spedding had called the grandmother. She did not pick up the phone,
and he was calling to let her know that he was still waiting on the part, that it had not arrived. He was not going to
be able to fix the machine that day. Uh-huh. The other side of the fork in the road was that he was calling to
report that the item had in fact come in, and he would like to come by and repair the washing machine. However,
regardless of the fork in the road, both stories, all reports indicate that the phone
the phone call was not received, that she did not answer the call. Yeah. I don't know if a message was left that
would clear up what was actually about to happen had she answered the phone. However,
the report states the report state that she then tried to call him back to figure out what it was that he had
wanted. Mhm. So, apparently, once they were able to make contact, whether it be he called her or
she called him, apparently by this point they were busy. This kid has gone missing.
We don't want anybody coming out to repair the washing machine that day. He did eventually go out to her home and
repair the washing machine. I believe it was anywhere from 5 to 7 days after the
boy had gone missing, but he did return to that home. Now, where was he that day? According to his wife that his that
Bill had gone out for a cup of coffee. They attended some kind of midday event together, and then he went back to work
that afternoon, and then returned home as normal that evening. So, during the According to his wife, during the time
that William would have gone missing or would have been abducted, around that 10:15 to 10:30 marker,
this man was according to his wife, his whereabouts were accounted for. Yeah, I don't believe her. Well, I don't
I'm not I'm not necessarily going to go too much into whether I need to believe her or not for my own thoughts. My
thought is We don't have any investigators coming forward saying, "Yeah, we've already cleared this
individual." Right. We We've heard his wife's side of the story. He's been cleared. Let's move on.
We have other suspects to investigate. This dude, as far as I can find has not been cleared. He's still he's still
considered a person of interest in this investigation. Let's get into some of these theories
here Captain because there's several theories about what possibly could have happened on September 12th, 2014.
Okay. So the first thought would be much more innocent than a lot of the other theories out there. The first thought
would be that the the children are outside playing. Mom and the grandmother go inside to get
a cup of tea. They're gone for a little bit of time and during this time William
goes wandering off. He goes wandering into the forest or to the bush as they call it.
And this is a vast area. This is rugged terrain. Yeah. If you know, I want I want everybody to keep in mind. It's
possible that if somebody were to wander in there and get lost or to keep venturing deeper and deeper into those
woods. If a proper search is not conducted, there's a good chance that somebody could not only succumb to the elements.
And pass away in those woods. There's a chance that they may not be found. Right. Especially a three-year-old. Yes.
What are your thoughts on that on that theory Captain? Well, his foster parents talk about him being
a cautious kid. So I don't know if he would actually roam that far away. We also have
countless reports of people searching the property that you know, within what 15 minutes or so 20 minutes or so of the
boy going missing the foster dad is running the whole property lines. Looking I think he would have been
found. I also if you've ever been to the grocery store with a three-year-old. They don't like to walk that long.
That's true. So I think that once he got into if he did get into the bush. At some point he would be stopping and
not moving at all. And is is there some kind of you know, look that the animals I know are a
little bit different there. Is it possible that he went to the edge of the bush and then somehow like an animal got
him? One of those Tasmanian devil things that spins around and creates a tornado and
makes weird noises. Yeah. No, I just think I I don't think it's that likely. They
had a they had adequate well, not even adequate. They had amazing search team. They had amazing
volunteers looking for this child. I think they would have they would have found him.
You know, I question how long the the gap is of not you know, not hearing William play. Mhm. Cuz like we've said
before there's a lot of times where somebody thinks it was a couple minutes, but maybe it was a little bit longer.
I do question that, but I do find the fact that the foster mother is just baffled
by the fact that he went missing. She still she still seems so baffled today that I I do believe that it was a
very short gap. Yeah, and I think I think you nailed it there Captain. I think you hit the nail
on the head for me as well because you bring up one thing that that really kind of sums it up for me with this
thought in it not being a very likely maybe even a impossibility. Mhm. Is it there was an abundance of
searchers. There was an abundance of resources that they used to try to find that little boy. They used helicopters,
motorcycles, dogs. They used people that were experienced in searching through that type of
terrain. Now it's Well, and you bring up a good point with the dogs is we don't have any evidence.
If if these dogs got a scent trail, they would they would have followed that scent into the bush.
Yeah. Yeah, and it's my understanding that the early searches. Now this would be the grandmother the the foster mom
and the people that helped in the neighborhood. God bless the people that helped in the neighborhood. And and I I
didn't go too far into the details of that, but it also sounds to me like some of the children that were playing in the
area not only provided answers to questions to adults that are hey, have you seen a boy? Have you seen a kid
wearing a Spider-Man outfit? Not only did they say no, we haven't seen this child, but they also helped look for
this child and some of the kids and some of the neighbors went door-to-door knocking on doors asking for other
people's assistance or if they had saw some boy wandering around. Now as far as going into the bush
the one thing here that that really makes me question that and I understand that maybe valuable time should he have
wandered into there maybe valuable time could have been lost while they searched
the neighborhood not expecting a cautious young boy to walk into the woods. But I don't think his little legs could
have carried him very far before Right. before we're talking about that abundance of resources coming into look
in that area specifically look in that area. And as we mentioned, they covered fairly quickly 3 km from the spot that
he went missing. That's a good amount of ground. The other item here is that Spider-Man
outfit he's wearing. That's half of that thing is bright red. The other half of it's bright blue. These are pretty easy
colors to spot even if you're in a helicopter far above the canopy of the of the bush or the woods. Mhm.
And I've I've heard several searchers talk about searching that day and one thing that they said was that the the
bush was so thick that the clothes that they were wearing some of them experienced tears on their
clothing. Now if any items if little threads of of red or bright blue pieces of clothing would have been torn from
from William which I would expect that more likely than that from the searchers. That would we would have seen
evidence Mhm. that he was at least in that woods at some point. And again, I don't know the animal situation, but
animals don't just kind of pick you up and cuddle you as they carry you away. There would have been some type of
evidence to suggest that something terrible had happened to the poor little boy. Now one thing that scares me
was that in looking at pictures of the neighborhood and near that lot. There was a a large sewer nearby. Mhm. Um and
I'm sure and I hope well, I shouldn't say I'm sure, but I hope that that that area was checked and I hope
that if they used dogs to check that area like they said that there were no tracks leading them to that sewer area.
It looked large enough that a small child could could fit down in there. Mhm. And as they had said that it sounds
like they were playing hide-and-go-seek when he was last seen. Could he have been looking for a place to hide and it
attempt to hide in there not understanding what it actually was. Um for me I find this to be this thought
this theory to be one that part of me wishful thinking would hope that this would be more of a likelihood.
However, it doesn't seem very likely that this was in fact the scenario. Now regarding the next theory Captain
was that we're not hearing the full story from the foster parents that somehow the foster parents be at the
father be at the mother be at them together in some kind of team were responsible for the demise of this young
child and they've been able to successfully hide his corpse all these years later.
Well, let's have you tackle this one first. Well, my thoughts on the foster parents are this.
And I share a suspicion that you have, but I think my thoughts are I suspect a little more from the foster
parents. The only thing I actually think that the foster parents might be guilty
of is I think that that window of time when William was unsupervised. I think it might be considerably larger
than what we're told. Now I don't when I say that I don't mean to throw shade at the foster mom.
What I mean by that is is there a chance that that's not deliberate that they're not
deliberately saying, yeah, I watched the kid until 10:15 and that was the last time I saw him and at 10:30 I I figured
out that he was missing because I didn't hear him anymore and we have a five-minute window.
My thought is they might not have been watching the clock the entire time that you're sitting there. You're catching up
with your mother that you haven't seen in a while face-to-face. Felt like a couple minutes.
Yeah, it felt like 15 minutes. It felt like 5 minutes that they hadn't heard him. 15 minutes that they hadn't seen
him. Maybe it could have been 15 minutes you hadn't heard him. A half an hour that you had not seen
him. So I think that really I don't find anything there. I mean, I do have some questions about some of the answers that
they've provided in that interview. But Mhm. But really what you hear toward the
end of that interview and we didn't play the entire thing, but you hear the heartache in their voices. You hear
their voices cracking and they are sort of trying to fight through tears as the interview goes on and on.
And so I think that there's real heartache there. I think that they their hearts are broken. I think that they
intended to permanently adopt William and his sister. I think they thought of William as their own little boy. So the
only thing that they may be guilty of in my mind the foster parents is that possibly
their memory is not as clear as we would like it to be for the morning that he went missing and maybe that window of
time that he before he was noticeably missing is a little larger. Yeah, I it's just the way she goes over that and
I'm going to bring it up again, the the minute that, you know, she realizes he's
missing. And that he just kind of poof, disappeared. I mean, you can tell that her brain
is just baffled by this. So, that to me lends to the idea that, you know, she has no clue what happened
to him. So, not guilty of that. The problem with this though is that we don't know who these individuals are.
And there could be other suspects based off of these individuals. If we knew, for example,
oh, this person is so-and-so and this person is so-and-so and the husband was having an affair. And then, if he's
having an affair with somebody, then that person becomes a possible suspect. You know what I mean? So, there's little
things. I don't think they're guilty of anything. You know, that's what my gut is telling
me based off their answers, based off the research, but it's also we're not getting a full picture of these
individuals and if we did, is there something that would be brought to the surface that you go, oh, well.
Right, I question that. So, it's I see what you're saying. It's hard for us to give a full assessment where police
obviously know who these people are and they're able to dive into their lives much better than we can. Um, but I see
what you're saying here. That there could be other things at play. And the thought there too is, you know,
was this a planned visit? You know, there's been speculation about that. We've proved it was a planned visit. The
straight from the foster mother's mouth, they planned to go there on that Friday.
They planned to be there that weekend. The only thing that was unplanned about it was that they left on that Thursday
instead. Right. And you point out something that's very interesting there, Captain.
Who in their lives would have known, you know, just because just because that portion of the trip was unplanned, there
are people in their lives that could have known we're leaving a day early. My work I told my work or I told this
person. I told the babysitter that would typically help out. You know, different
people. So, yeah, I get what you're saying there. So, now we have to ponder the question,
if we don't think that it's likely that the foster parents were involved. And you know, one more one more little
tidbit on that before we move on, would be if if the foster parents were involved and somehow maybe even a freak
accident or some something strange happened and they decided to cover it up, the foster grandmother would have to be
going along with that. You know what I mean? It just adds one more piece of the pie, one more thing to
the equation there, you know, because if if the foster grandmother's telling the
truth and and her story is is real, then both of these individuals, their whereabouts are accounted for. William's
time with them is accounted for up until the point where he disappears. So, that
in itself clearing both of them essentially. The other thought though here is, if it wasn't the foster parents,
could it have potentially been the biological parents of William? Right. They weren't
they arrested that that day? Yeah, and I this is why I didn't want to go too far
into that. And here here's my thoughts. First of all, I've seen several interviews with the biological mother.
And to be honest, she seems very genuine. She I can't say for certain that she's
telling the truth, but she seems she comes off to be very honest to me. So, I don't see anything with the
biological mother. But, what I can gather from some of the interviews, it actually sounds like the
biological mother and father were not together on the day that William disappeared.
Right. And where we get the information that the the biological parents were arrested at 4:30 on the day that William
had gone missing, we get that information from the biological grandmother, from from the biological
father's mother. Now, we have some problems with her statements there. While they may not be entirely untrue,
you have to weigh them against what the biological mother says in her interviews. She does not say that she
was arrested. She says that she yes, police knocked on her door the day that William went missing. Right. That they
questioned her, that they forced their way inside and they searched her her home and she and they searched the
grounds of her home. And one thing that one thing that is a little telling to me to make me believe
that she is honest, she kind of criticizes their search. She's like, yeah, they came into
my home and they went looking around for William, but she's like, that was my son
missing. I when they were searching my home, I hope they put more effort into it when they were searching other
people's homes because they didn't search my home very thoroughly. Right. Now, there was one interesting thing
when when they did search her home was they found a little boy in her backyard playing and they thought that that was
William, but that was actually another son of hers that she has. So, uh, the son that she
is choosing to raise. Well, these children were taken from her. Right. So, because of her choices. Well,
yeah, I I I think it's a little harsh to to And that that's just my opinion. You
know, you can you can be forceful about it if you like. Um, I think that's Well, don't you think you have to be
pretty bad as a parent for them to take your kids away? I don't know. I'm not going to pretend to know 100% the
circumstances of why the children were taken from them because I don't. Cuz I mean, I grew up in the '80s and pretty
much all my friends' parents were not that great of parents and none of them ever got taken away. Right.
But But again, I know that neither of us know the circumstances of that situation, so I think it's a little
it's a for me, you can you can have your opinion. For me, it's a little out of bounds, I think. I do agree with some of
your statement there. I think that she probably could have made some other choices that would have possibly have
helped her. Her number one complaint is that a lot of the situation was her boyfriend at the time, the the child's
father. yeah. And because they were still together, she was kind of lumped in with
him. She does state that she That was her choice. She does state that she failed some kind of drug test.
Uh, that she tested positive for marijuana, which was going to help them decide to take away her children. Mhm.
Um, but this is also a woman that that says that she was um, in a domestic violence relationship
Right. during that time and I don't feel that she feels that she had much control
over the situation at the time. I really do feel that she feels more guilty than
anybody involved uh, for what has happened to her herself. kind of was forgetting about the
domestic violence cuz it seemed like it was coming from both sides. And it could
it could have been, but I don't know the details. That's a lot harder of a situation to be
in. What I do know is that currently or at least as of 2017, she was raising other children of hers. So,
for her. Hopefully, she got her life together. So, either getting rid of this guy, this
Brandon Collins, either getting rid of him was able to help her straighten out herself or she has done some things to
straighten herself out since this happened. the biological parents would have been
roughly what, 4 hours away anyways? Yeah. Now, if they were separate, if they were not together that day, here's
where I here's where I do want to throw some shade. I want to throw some shade on the biological father. Mhm. Okay,
because I don't I don't feel like I can trust this grandmother, the biological grandmother, because
through her own words, she states that the state was going to come and take William away and she helped provide
money to to the biological parents so they could go on the run to keep their child.
Right. So, she aided in that situation with them being out on the run. Once once the children were taken taken away
from them, this the biological father was in and out of jail. When he was not in jail, it sounds like he was living
with his mother and it sounds like she paints this picture of this guy that was a teetotaler until the point that his
son went missing. I don't know that I can believe that. He's had a strong history of of
alcoholism and drug addiction. He's addicted to ice, the drug ice. I don't see any break in
that chain in in his history. It appears that this was violent. This has been a constant for
him as well. So, I think what we have here is we have the grandmother painting one picture and
I think in reality, there's a much different reality out there than what she's trying to throw into the public.
That this guy was sober, he was doing the right thing and he couldn't get his kid back.
Um, and that, you know, my these kids were not involved because they were arrested fairly quickly afterwards. The
mother says that we weren't arrested. They searched my home, they questioned me, that was it. Now, she doesn't state
anything about her boy her ex at that time, Brandon Collins. Now, maybe maybe they show up to question Collins about
his whereabouts, if he was involved, if he's if he's seen William, and they catch him with drugs, or they find him
and he's high, and he's broken some type of probation, and they actually arrested
him. I don't know that. Yeah, or they just took him down to the station for questioning. And and his
mom's calling that a arrest. Who knows? Right. I I just think that we're getting
one bad story, and it doesn't seem to be the truth coming from his side. And I kind of question that. I think that if
there were any it's 4 hours away. He would also have to know where they were. Or they followed
him. Right. I mean, that's possible, but again, I'm not saying he did it. What I'm
saying, Captain, is that we we've already seen a situation where the grandmother has aided the escape in the
in the aided them to keep the child. And and I don't need to be proven right or wrong
here. What I'm saying is that I for for the biological father to be ruled out, I need some more information.
Mhm. I'm not saying that I think he's guilty of anything. What I What I don't find truth coming from his mother, I
question her story. Right. I question her story, therefore I question him. I question his actions. I
would need some more information to clear him from as a possible suspect in this situation. What are your thoughts
on the biological parents? Uh I I I don't think it was them. I I don't think the likelihood I mean,
it's 4 hours away. You know, they left the day before. So, if you did follow them, you know, you'd
have to be gone Thursday night, and nobody saw you in your car. There's no record of them getting a
hotel room. So, I just I don't think it's likely. And then also, you're going to capture
your kid, and then where did you put your kid? Mhm. You know, you were arrested that day.
And maybe not arrested, but questioned that day. Both parents were. The scary thought though is that a stranger
abduction, or the pedophile ring, or more than one abductor almost seems like a much more likely
situation than any of the other theories that we've discussed. Mhm. That it it's
it's sad to think that. It's sad and scary to think that that possibly somebody was watching the area. Someone
was cruising and looking for a child, and came across William playing in the backyard, and decided to wait till he
was unattended, and took him, or lured the him into their vehicle. Well, and there was a pedophile ring in the area.
Suspected pedophile ring in the area. Yeah, but that's I mean, that's that's all I need to
know. As far as like I mean, that's that's a pretty big uh suspicion. You know, it's not just that there's one
offender here or there. It's there's a ring in that area. So, again, and then we have the situation
where we have two pedophiles meeting up to collect uh scrap metal. So, here's these guys that are going to
go into the bush and go searching, you know, willy-nilly for scrap metal to make a couple dollars.
You know, these rings they put a price on children. Is it that far-fetched just that that we
have two pedophiles in the area, both their cars have been seen in the area, they were going out to look for scrap
money metal get money, and they just came across an opportunity. They would make more money
off of William than they would off that scrap metal. Well, and not only that, Captain, but what if What about this
Bill Spedding? Is there a chance that when his phone call went unanswered, he decided to
drive by the house, to knock on the door and say, "Hey, I got the part. I can go ahead and do the
work today." He pulls up, he sees this child playing in the backyard, Mhm. and he decides to take the child and whether
for his own purposes, or to to Well, he sell him off to people that he may know.
Police have said that he may have known these other two individuals that they've
questioned in the situation. Is that why is he so willing to toss up his DNA? You
know, where it looks like, "Hey, I'm super innocent. Here's my DNA. Go ahead and clear me." But also, if all I did
was take the child, and I didn't do anything with them sexually, or physically attack them, or whatever, the
the chances of me leaving DNA on that individual go down significantly at that point. Well, you're right. I understand
that, but I also think, you know, his his vehicle, what it makes it seem like is that he had a work
vehicle. You would think that somebody would have noticed a work vehicle more so than just any normal car.
Yeah, that's the one thing that we don't get good clear understanding of here is
where we have several vehicles that are described to have been in the area at the time. And when we talk about um
Tony Jones's vehicle, how it matched one of the vehicles, how his vehicle was seized, how Paul Bickford
Bickford. how he had a vehicle that matched one of those vehicles. We hear that we have Spedding, who his
property was searched, who was questioned, who they may have found a Spider-Man toy in his work van or work
vehicle. Right, but he had grand grandchildren, right? We also get no description of that
vehicle. Mhm. You know what I mean? Did it Did it match any of the descriptions that we've already given of of
eyewitness accounts of vehicles that were spotted in the area roughly around the time that William had gone missing.
Yeah, but you got to be pretty ballsy to just go, "Hey, take my DNA." Well, yeah,
of course. To me, it seems that to me, that action seems more like somebody that, you know, like you said, he had he
did have some charges against him. I don't know what those charges were. It sounds to me like somebody that's
saying, "Hey, I I didn't do this, and I want to be cleared right away. And and go ahead and take my DNA, and I'll do
anything I can to help you." I mean, they searched his property as well. Yeah, I don't want to go too far into
his charges because I don't have a full understanding of them, but um the limited understanding I have of them
is he has some allegations against him regarding a 6- and 3-year-old girl. Um and the the other thought though,
there's some confusion regarding the allegations. Uh one being was he He was charged, but was
he convicted? Mhm. I don't know that he was convicted. The the other issue seems
to be that he at one time in his life was friends with a pretty horrific sexual predator, and his claim
regarding those allegations is that the witnesses, the victims, are wrong, that he was not the one that victimized them,
that the the person that was that he knew Right. was the one that had in fact victimized them. He doesn't claim to
have knowledge of this other than that's his speculation after having been charged.
Right, right. And it seems to me like there's a very high probability that if this guy, Spedding, wasn't involved in
these allegations against these girls, he was unaware of his friend's activities, and he might even have been
family members with this individual at the time. It just seems to ring true, you know? Like it sounds a little goofy,
but it's like I think there's a lot of people that get charged with these pedophile crimes, and it's a shock to a
bunch of people in the a community, let alone somebody that was friends with somebody, or somebody that was related
to somebody else. Now, despite all of the efforts, despite various search efforts by the police and the forensic
testing that's been conducted throughout the years, all of which have failed to turn up any trace of William, or any
clues about his disappearance, and police to this day have have yet to conclude what actually happened to
little William. Now, I do want to leave everybody with uh this thought. This is This is kind of where I go with this,
Captain. My final thoughts on this is one that One thing that really scares me is that just because we've not found
him, or found trace of him, doesn't necessarily mean that the worst didn't happen. We know that we know from the
Jacob Wetterling case, we know from several other cases, that sometimes these things happen, and the the child
is taken and very quickly killed and disposed of afterwards, and it can be Sometimes it can be many many years
before we find proof of that. The thing that the the thought that helps me put my head on the pillow at the end of
the night and and go to sleep is I hold on to hope that that if William was taken,
that by chance, you know, it is rare. A a a a child sexual predator abduction that ends in murder is somewhat of a
rare thing. What is even a little more rare is that maybe a female that wanted to uh that took him with the thought
that she would raise him as his own, that she couldn't have children for whatever reason. That has happened on
occasion. It's very rare, but um at least in that scenario, he would be taken care of, and probably loved. Um
so, that's where I kind of keep my fingers crossed and and hope and pray that that might be the situation. Yeah,
I mean, you you hope for stuff like that, but I mean, you know, a lot of times when you get
these cases, it's just, you know, you see William's name, and right beside it it's missing child case.
And then once you start diving into it, you just see the I think the worst part of the the
universe, if that makes any sense. Mhm. And it's just one that um crimes against
children is just the worst. And um and I think the worst happened to him. Um that's my gut feeling. Um I do want to
quote Bruce Morcombe, who he is the father of Daniel Morcombe, who was abducted and killed in Queensland,
Australia in 2003. He had some words for the parents of little William. And Bruce
said, "Have no fear. William is loved by the whole of Australia, and we will not
rest until we find that answer and who is responsible." Well, and this this is a awful problem that's happening down
there and and they they got to do something to to fix it. Uh the recommended reading for this
week, Captain, is With One Shot, Family Murder and a search for justice. Now, this is about the brutal murder of
LaVern Stordock. And later his widow would confess to having killed him in cold blood, but the niece, this is the
author, Dorothy Marcic, she sus- she suspected a more sinister tale that was at the heart of her beloved uncle's
violent death. So, recommending With One Shot, you don't have to write down that
title or that author right now because you can go to truecrimegarage.com, click on the recommended page, we will
have that listed there along with other rec- recommendations from previous shows. Well, thank you guys so much for
listening. Thanks for telling your friends. Thanks for sharing on social media. It means the world.
And until next time, be good, be kind, and don't litter.

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This is one of the strangest missing person cases that we have looked into. It's strange because of the very short window of time in which little William goes missing. William was three years old when he was last seen. He was playing outside with his sister. According to reports William was only left unsupervised for about 15 minutes. Several strange vehicles were spotted near where William was playing. Was the little boy being watched? Did someone snatch him up and take him? Police are still working under the assumption that William is alive. This week we take a look at the details of William's disappearance. Beer of the Week - James Boag's Premium Lager Garage Grade - 3 out of 5 bottle caps

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the mysterious disappearance of William Tyrrell and the investigation surrounding his foster parents and potential suspects.

Key points

The Disappearance of William Tyrrell. Exploring the complex dynamics of the family involved in the case.
Foster Parents' Interview Insights. Analyzing the foster parents' emotional responses during their interview.
Community Trust Shattered. Discussion on the impact of the abduction on the local community.
Plea for William's Return. Foster parents urge anyone with information to come forward.
Suspicious Meeting. Two men with criminal backgrounds meet on the day William goes missing.
Theories of Disappearance. Several theories emerge regarding William's disappearance, including accidental wandering.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

We just want it to be over.

Foster parent expressing their desire for closure.

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