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crime before we dive too much further into this missing child case we want to take
this opportunity to listen to an interview conducted with lih high County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman and this is from
East Idaho news.com let's go back to the beginning can you kind of give us a timeline as to when the the family
arrived and what preceded well the family from what I understand that we learned during the investigation arrived
the evening prior to July 10th sometime uh fairly close to dark on Thursday July
9th and then uh they went to uh went to town in leor and Upon returning they supposedly
thought they were turning their child over to their uh grandfather the child great-grandfather they went down to the
creek which was right next to the campground and within 10 to 15 minutes they go up to find their child to show
him some fish in the Stream and he's nowhere to be found and grandfather assumes he's gone down to them because
he was within their line of sight and uh wasn't too far from the campground uh they started their initial search and
eventually called 911 when they realized they couldn't find the child where was Mr renwand during all of this he was in
the same general proximity the cek is just over the bank um he's Downstream they're Upstream uh they're all within
probably 100 to 150 ft of each other very close proximity very close so they call 911 you guys arrive and begin
searching correct and um at this point where where their V vehicle searched the tents I gu everything out there was
probably searched we did a I think a very thorough investigation we uh we took two initial track dogs in uh one of
them being mine and one being salmon Police Department they're trained to search for people who are lost um they
were given a scent uh they went from the campground up to the reservoir and then back to the
campground and we we searched everywhere a small child could easily hide or climb into or fall
into and nothing and we found absolutely nothing talk a little bit about the cranes that were dumped into cuz the
dogs were getting a sent weren't they unbeknownst to us while we were doing our grid search someone came in and
wanted to deposit PR remains of a loved one at that site and I'm assuming it's a
favorite site of their loved one and and without thinking they deposited these crines not realizing they were in the
middle of a crime scene and what it would do within a couple days our dogs are telling us we need to spend more time up
at the reservoir and so we Dove it for two or three more days and put Sid scan sonar and then we found out from one of
our BLM Rangers that they stopped this individual coming out and were informed that they had deposited some Caines in
the reservoir had he had Dior been in the reservoir his body would have been recovered by
now we believe so yeah we really believe so mhm okay uh the store did the family
go down to the the store there and let or and was there any surveillance captured of this boy surveillance video
I don't believe they have a surveillance but uh we have a receipt that we've documented that they purchased C certain
items they were on the receipt the time was stamped on the receipt and so we believe you know that's where
they went it was that Friday morning yes it was okay uh do you know did they stop
any other places on their way up to leor yeah they they stopped to get some diesel fuel diesel fuel yeah any
surveillance video at that gas station okay I'd be surprised if there's a camera anywhere in leor well yeah small
community MH okay so um as far as uh the the private investigator told us a a few
days ago that that Jessica said that there was an older gentleman that may have been staring at Dior have you heard
anything about that just the report I don't know that we confirmed who that individual is but uh you know if we had
to go look for everybody that stared at at you personally or anybody for any uh type of crime you know it it'd be uh
pretty difficult undertaking you know to to check those stories out but you know
um yes we have heard that information how much of the area up there was searched it was I mean you guys searched
for two three weeks didn't you before you officially scaled back yeah absolutely it's
uh almost almost a 3 mile radius and no sign absolutely none do you believe it was an abduction you know
personally I think an abduction is one of the least likely events Prim primarily uh the information we have is
Grandpa's watching the child he tells me he looks away momentarily when he looks
back he's gone and he's assumed he's gone over the bank right where grandpa's sitting he's within 20 to 30 yards of
the only roadway into the campground and absolutely no one was seen at that lower
Campground coming or going and when my Personnel went in nobody was seen leaving so I think it's
it you know I mean I can't completely rule it out but it's one of the least likely things that
occurred what can you say about Mr rain wand uh at this point he's uh still cooperating uh um you know I'm not
getting any uh any feeling that he's not being truthful I I think he's been very
truthful and I appreciate his help he's come up to the area on a on a second occasion with me and uh until uh we find
a piece of evidence or locate anything that tells me otherwise I think he's being very truthful uh how about the
parents and the grandfather you know I think all three those three have been very Cooperative uh they've given us
everything we've asked for and and so I'm I feel real good about uh the parents and and the grandfather also um
the FBI has has have they would it be correct to say they've taken over or I guess they're working with you they're
working with us we've given them uh lots of items uh to uh to analyze uh behaviorally and uh we've given them
some physical evidence I I can't go into those details but we're basically uh trying to cover all of our bases and
we're looking for any clue whatsoever that might help us resolve this and you said Bonville is also assisting mainly
very much so can you say anything about how Isaac ended up on the trip I hate to
go into too many details I mean obviously there's a relationship between him and and Grandpa you know
um you know I mean they're they're friends uh but prior to that trip he had never met mom or
dad the um Family says their vehicles and cars were searched which which it sounds like in any case it that would be
standard operating procedure you know even though we searched them that night you know he always second guess did did
we miss something could he have been in another compartment did we not search everything so yeah everything's been
searched at least a couple times if if not more have you guys as a department been handling this I mean that's a lot
of Manpower and hours and I'm sure a little bit of frustration trying to find this kid oh it's definitely been a a
challenge we've got some fabulous volunteers our search and rescue is second to none and uh they've been
overwhelmed by this we've had some issues on uh on stress that we've had to deal with and our office is uh my chief
Deputy has spent endless hours up there he's climbed literally up to the top of some of the Peaks up there he's walked
into some of the old uh dens of some of the animals that live in those areas and
he's been fr Ally searching for a clue and and uh it's been overwhelming I mean there's been days I've been the only
patrolman on the road because all my personel are up there working at the scene have you ruled out a wild animal I
guess has anything been ruled out absolutely nothing has been ruled out there could have been some interference
from you know a predator at some time in the scenario whether beginning or partway through you know no we had bears
and wolves running literally through Camp searching while we're were searching absolutely and there's wolf
dens nearby correct well some old ones we haven't found any any fresh dens but uh just over the top of the Divide there
is a pacoy and we've understood they've had some issues over there with some wolves and they've uh taken out some of
the uh some of the wolves in order to eliminate the problem so where do you guys go from
here well we wait until we get our report from the FBI I that's going to be critical and uh we're still asking the
public uh to help us if they have any information to identify a 2 and 1/2-year-old with blonde hair I'm not
sure that's a positive um uh thing for our office because every 2 and 1 half-year-old with blonde hair
looks just like Dior and so I'm I'm asking the public if they know the family and they didn't have a 2 and a
half year old prior to this time period that's that's one I want to look at closely but if if it's somebody they
don't know to contact their local law enforcement and have them follow up for us because it's just so overwhelming for
our small office yeah have you guys just been bombarded with with ti absolutely absolutely what are your thoughts about
the private investigator I guess that's just something the family's doing on their own too y yep totally uh you know
uh kudos to them for you know looking for more help um I can only do so much and maybe he can turn up
something that we've missed U but I think you know he primarily thinks it's an abduction and and I think that's very
remote and as far as the light detector test you said you couldn't say much about yeah you know they've all all four
have taken voluntarily taken polygraphs and right now that those have been turned over to the FBI along with the
statements and I would prefer to have them look at the reports and look at the evaluations on the polygraph to make
sure we're looking at everything correctly and that we didn't miss anything at this point would you feel
comfortable saying something criminal happened no okay no not at all that interview was taken from August of
2015 so now at the timeline of this interview we're talking about a about a month after Dior went missing yeah and
then there are three really big takeaways that I have from that 10-minute interview right two from the
sheriff and one from the interviewer and I'll just kind of throw these out there
and we'll talk about them as we go the two from the sheriff are this one he says look we talked about the
possibilities yesterday animal attack abduction or some type of involvement resulting in The Accidental or
intentional death of Dior by either a family member or a friend and I think the way that they're wording that is to
suggest that family member or friend there were three family members up there with the boy and one friend of the
family up there with the boy right so can't rule anything out but that what really hits the home run there in that
interview is that statement toward the end of the interview where the sheriff says if anyone knows the family he says
I can't I'm not going to tell you to look for a 2-year old blonde boy because almost all of them look like Dior right
I want to talk to a family member or anyone that knows the family that can say that they did not have this boy or a
young boy with them prior to going on this campaign trip that's who I want to talk to and then the one thing that
stands out for me from the all right so but to unpack that just to be clear you're saying that the sheriff is saying
hey look I want proof that that boy was there right okay right and then the one thing that that stands out for me from
the interviewer is there are multiple questions and multiple times where the interviewer
tries to steer the questions and steer the sheriff in the direction of Isaac renwald the the friend the friend that
is up there and I think that is for a number of reasons one at the time being about a month or less than a month after
The Disappearance mhm the first thing that really people started calling into question when the news of this story
broke especially online was a lot of people were very suspicious of this guy Isaac right and I think one rightfully
so because immediately what you see is which one of these things is not like the other well Isaac is the one thing
that is not like the other he's the friend everybody else is a family member of this little boy yeah and he's a and
he's a little odd let's put it that way and he's also it seems to me a little bit on the slow side so you know what's
weird about him and well not necessarily about him more so about this whole story
and cast of characters to me is going into this when I first got involved and you and I have both been aware of this
case for for a long time and it's been a while that we've wanted to cover it yeah
I've never been able to die into it as much as I have this week yeah and I'm I'm going to agree with you and
thousands and thousands of other people out there that say this Isaac guy there's something off with him he's
weird he's odd and and you also have Jessica and vernal who both say this guy's a little odd we didn't know him
he's a little weird the grandfather says that you know but the the funny thing to me MH is
after spending a long time reviewing this case and reviewing these four adults because that's where my suspicion
lies within this pack of four adults okay I find all four of them to be odd so so if if we're going to say that
Isaac is odd or weird or or comes off weird I I really think all four of them are are strange Birds doesn't he seem
like he's operating with a lower IQ to you um yes diminished intelligence or something
like that uh a a little slower um yes I I think so and and it's pretty I you know those are things that you hate to
say and hate to throw out there but I think that's what most people's conclusion would be watching an
interview with him or speaking with him in person right and but also the cops at
this point and later they say this guy is cooperate he's cooperating with us and uh we believe he's telling the truth
and what's interesting too in that interview is we have the sheriff saying basically that all four of these people
all four of these adults are cooperating all four of them are answering our questions the grandfather the father the
mother they have given us everything we've asked for right uh we do have a little more from regarding Isaac where
we have the sheriff saying he even even came up to the site with me on a second a second time to go over everything well
there's a lot of speculation about Isaac online so when this story broke there was a couple things that happened
immediately one was the parents were at the Forefront they were very upfront and
Center they were they had the spotlight on them everybody knew their names everybody knew that it was their son who
was missing that was just part of the news breaking what did not occur immediately
was the releas relas of the grandfather's name or the release of Isaac's name the friend of the
family and so I think in a way that could have started some type of Suspicion about them or or or Isaac
right but the the interesting thing here too is when his name was released Isaac is repeatedly identified
as a sex offender with an extensive criminal history in online forums and on social media for a while really and
that's very troubling because again which one of these things is not like the other Isaac is just a friend of old
Grandpa's yep and he's not he's not a parent of this little boy and oh he's a little odd and now online people are
identifying him as a sex offender with an extensive criminal history and online forms and on social media number one
flicky flicky so the police did address this situation the sheriff did address the
situation and their answer is very confusing to me but I have to throw it out there because I it may help clear
some things up okay so the Idaho State their their response to this was to say that Isaac was at one time charged with
felony rape and this occurred in 2006 but the charge was amended down to misdemeanor domestic battery
the sheriff went on to say that he meaning Isaac does have a criminal record however the police reports are
not consistent with his record and I'm not sure why that was his exact State his exact statement he does go on to say
that is what the heck does that mean well he does go on to say that Isaac is not a sex offender Isaac is not a
registered sex offender and I'm I'm with you he does have a criminal record this
is the statement he does have a criminal record however the police reports are not consistent with his record I'm not
sure what that means I'm not sure why I did a little digging and the best I could come up with here is
rumor but from what I found as far as rumor goes is that this charge that he was originally charged
with is in some relation to his ex-wife mhm and they may have been married at the time and it was was reduced to a
domestic issue what I'm getting at is where he says the police reports are not consistent with his
record I'm wondering if the sheriff this is just all inferences here so take it with a grain of salt I'm
wondering if by this time and I'm I'm feeling very confident that by this time the sheriff had personally reviewed the
police reports from those charges and he's reviewing it and going the charge doesn't really line up with the
complaint right and so I see why it was then amended to a much lesser charge because either Isaac then pled
guilty to something or they were able to prove the Lesser charge because like I said maybe the sheriff reviewing the
reports says this complaint doesn't match up with what he ends up getting charged with let's hear a clip of an
interview with Isaac so the garage listeners can get a feel for this individual so you thought baby Dior I
thought they were all were going as a group yeah so and did you look back did you actually see them all with you as a
group at some point at some point before we we were all as a group before we as we started to leave the campground I
remember all of us being together whatever Happ right Bob wasn't Bob was at the let stayed at the camp okay but
to the very first spot when you were showing them do you remember did was Jessica holding deor was was senior Dior
holding Dior because if he was having trouble walking he probably would have had to been carried at some point right
right so do you remember if anyone was holding him if he was if he was down there like I said I don't it's like I
don't like I can't answer that I don't you know like I said I don't remember everything as far as I know I thought
baby Dior was still behind us and I was showing Jessica like when when I went to
go show them the fishal like I went down there and showed Jessica where the fishing hole is and I assumed that you
know Dior and his dad were right behind me okay right or just just behind us they it was taking them a little bit to
catch up and at what point did you and Dior senior and Jessica split up they went somewhere else and you went
somewhere you said earlier right you came down the creek closer to the campground and left them up there yeah
and so I don't know it was like 5 10 I showed him I must have been 5 10 minutes okay after I did that I
started walk I walked towards camp and I went to another fishing mode to fish and
I was down there fishing for a while and that's when I noticed Bob was up there on the ridge walking pacing back and
forth so I asked him what was going on and he said little de was missing and I was like what so exactly distance there
on the you said that Bob was like pacing on the ridge what do you mean the ridge
there's really high Banks I'm not the very bottom of the bottom of the bank so it's hard to even see up over the bank
how steep the banks are so you notice you said you notice Bob pacing kind of what did he look like te was he stressed
he looked like he was kind of stressed or worried about something so and so that's what made you think to ask him
what was going on and he said that little dior's missing so and your reaction was well
where where did he go I better start helping look help look for him so then what did you I walked up to the bank and
started and I talked to Bob a little bit more about where where they might where you might be and
we started looking in the campers and everything first we looked in the camper we we uh looked all around the area we
looked underneath the vehicles um we went up in the hills I I went up in the hill up there about to
where the reservoirs I went up there and looked around I must have went out by myself for probably about a half an hour
an hour looking trying to find theor I couldn't find him so was Jessica and Dior uh Jessica's boyfriend or fiance at
the time were they at the campsite when and Bob told you Dior was missing when when he was pacing on the
bank and you walked up were they at the campsite when I when I went down there to talk when I went up there to talk to
Bob no they were already out looking for him so you didn't see them they were they were out so you and Bob search the
immediate area me and Bob searched the immedia immediate area right there for a little bit his mom came from I don't
know she was out in the Sage Brush looking and she came back to C and I talked to her a little bit and I said
what's what's going on here like he's missing did she seem upset yes she seemed pretty upset so I couldn't really
look at you in the face or anything she hadn't been able to do that for a I don't know for what
reason do you so did you ever have the impression before law enforcement or search and rescue out there did you ever
have a thought that maybe he was someone take took him did you ever think that or
was that something that came about when he just couldn't be found I thought maybe he got lost or somewhere and sat
down okay that's what my impression was or you know you or the just cuz fiance you know where he went did he was he in
the truck or did he on was he on foot he was on foot for a while and then he was
also in the TR he got in the truck too to go down by the cattle guard to go look for him down there too okay but you
you stayed busy then you I stayed busy looking going up the up the hill all over yeah was Dior Senor did he get
was he angry did he get aggressive with Bob did he say like you know you he was here last like was there
frustration I think there was a little bit but he didn't seem to get too angry at Bob so so Dior did he ever
appear frustrated or anything that Dior did he tell Bob at the time he I left him here with you did he ever say
anything like that no I remember now did Vernal Dior Jessica's boyfriend or fiance he left the campground did he
leave the campground in his truck to go call 911 do you know far as I know he left the campound and he startu to go
look for little Dior by the the cattle guard but other than that I don't know if they left to go call or if they
called it from there with one of their cell phones I don't I don't know okay was Bob continuing to look to could he
get up and down the hills very easy had kind of a hard time cuz he had the auction machine and the tub so okay so
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[Music] today all right so little to do so much time wait r reverse that reverse that
Cheers Cheers man we got a lot to get to here and like you said or not like you said just a little bit of time to do it
I do want to you know where that quotes from Willie Wonka oh yeah yeah that's get with it he says a couple things
backwards and says to reverse it so I do want to point out here that at some point the lih high County Sheriff's
Department they announced that all four of the adults that were up on that campsite with little baby Dior mhm at
some point they announced that all four of them are considered to be Persons of Interest so Isaac who you just heard
there the grandfather as well as both the parents uh and you heard In that clip too the reporter kept referring to
dior's father as Dior several times in there and that's why I wanted to point out early in this case that sometimes
you might hear him refer to is that we've been calling him Vernal uh to keep it nice and tidy so we'll continue to do
so right now do we want to get into the whole shovel thing yeah let's go ahead and get into the shovel thing
because you know that's the last question that was asked yeah so apparently this is according to
Jessica that there was a shovel that she said had like some mud on it like it was
recently used right and this is this shovel incident takes place once law enforcement are on the scene once they
are searching for Dior and she she says that she tells the Tells law enforcement about this shovel
points it out to him says look this shovel looks like it was recently used now also at this time she's already
telling law enforcement that Isaac is a bit odd and that they don't really know anything about this guy so somehow they
connect this shovel to him or they want to talk to him about the shovel she says
that they take Isaac away from the group they talk to him for for a while um and
they are going to look and examine look at and examine the shovel she says something about a hair being on blonde
hair yeah a blonde hair and she she says this could have been one of dior's hairs
she points it out to the uh law enforcement and then reaches to grab it and it blows away in the wind yep and
it's gone Gone Gone Forever and so I guess once they're done talking to Isaac he comes back to the group and
knows that they were talking about the shovel and Jessica says Isaac then begins rubbing the shovel or touching
the sh shovel something to that effect which she found to be incredibly weird on August 12th
2015 private investigator Frank vilt joins the search the way that this is explained how this
comes about is that Frank vilt is a friend of the family somehow and he offers his expertise into helping the
family this relationship does not seem to go very well at all no and it seems to unravel and fall apart fairly quickly
I love private investigators all of them seem to have a little bit of a cocky swagger like like they're going to come
in and they they know what's best well Mr velt is a retired US Marshal MH so he has a good amount of experience and he's
offering his help and as we said this seems to fall apart very quickly at some point he withdraws himself from
assisting the parents of Dior yeah and he even issues them a statement regarding such yeah and within that
statement here are some interesting words that he uses quote my stipulation was that both of you would be absolutely
truthful this is him talking to the parents of Dior in my professional opinion both of you lied and
misrepresented the true facts that could possibly solve the mystery of your missing
son what we have here is the investigator is stating these individuals he does not think that they
have been truthful with him right and thus hindering his investigation he's starting to be
suspicious that they know more why would they not want to be truthful with this man that's trying to help them out yeah
if you're hearing inconsistencies in stories you're going to go hey what's why are you lying there's also some
other angles here and one of them being the reward money now this is reported many different ways so I'll just kind of
give you the whole of it you can decide exactly uh what was going on it was reported that at one point they were
offering 5,000 maybe even $10,000 for information yeah regarding the missing boy and I believe this would have been
coming from like Crime Stoppers or something in the general area the community coming together and trying to
help this family at some point private investigator Frank vilt says you know what we need to increase this amount
yeah this might not be enough money to to draw somebody out that could really know something so I knowing that you
don't have even the funds to pay me to help you and that you don't have the means to build this reward yourself I
will offer up some of my own money I'm already giving you my time yeah so I'll offer up some of my own money let's
increase this reward to $20,000 and make this a national case and make it you know let's get some
substantial reward money here to try to draw out some possible information some leads onto where your son could be his
statement says that they were not on board with that that the parents of Dior were not on board with increasing the
reward amount right which on one hand makes it look pretty fishy but on the other hand they might not be wanting to
you know they're already asking this guy of his time and his effort and his energy and maybe they think this is a
simpler case and it it it should be solved quickly and we should find answers quickly and we don't want you to
put up your own money we we've already asked enough of you I think you go to the ends of the
Earth to find your child right but it goes back to you know the mother's crying too much the mother's not crying
enough I mean it's hard to put yourself in their shoes and to know how you would
react me or you I would think we both go yes offer more money you know you're you're willing to do that for me what a
great person I like the cut of your jib for me this is one of the most suspicious behaviors of any of them of
any of the behaviors throughout this entire case I think that it would be bizarre to not allow this man to offer
further help and assistance to try to Pro to find your son we have we have the father we heard his own words we will
find you we will find you we will not stop looking yeah so to me this is this is a very suspicious uh Behavior by the
parents now we do need to keep in mind we are not privy to conversations that that occurred on the phone or within
closed doors meetings between this investigator and the family right so we we keep that in mind but again I find
this to be very strange and I haven't heard their rebuttal if the have one on this situation so should we get into
Frank vilt's Theory as to what he thinks may have happened here yeah because we got so many things to kind of go through
and the order is the proper order to do them is not very clear to me at this moment so let's just wrap up Frank
velt so he gives this very uh P he he gives a letter to the family explaining why he's no longer going to be working
their case at some point he says you know I have a theory and I've poured through some of
their information I don't have any evidence to back this Theory up I just have suspicion and what he says is he
believes that one the mother Jessica knows exactly where her son is or knows what happened to Dior and two he cites
that she at one time time has given away custody of her two other children that she has yeah and that there was an old
marriage that no longer existed and at some point she gave over full custody basically an adoption process to her
ex-husband yeah they make it seem like it's an adoption process quote unquote but she still had visitation she still
saw her kids so that's very unclear yeah that that is her rebuttal I am still involved with them I still see
those it was simply look the the dad was involved and he had quite a bit of money
and he could provide a better life for them and she wasn't working so that's her rebuttal yes and then we do have in
January of 2016 remember we mentioned that the sheriff's department at one point named all four adults as Persons
of Interest in this case publicly well in 2016 they now Elevate the parents to the status of suspect yeah
but they're also going to get another private investigator involved yeah and this occurs before their named suspects
okay so November 23rd of 2015 kic Texas this is a private investigative firm they join the case
and on January 9th there is a fundraiser held to pay for kic Texas but just 7 Days Later kic Texas
says Dior is no longer alive then we have January 25th where the parents are named by law enforcement
as suspects and the following day Vernal Coons hires an attorney on May 2nd Philip kleene he's one of the
investigators with kic Texas says Jessica Mitchell knows where the toddler's body is and the next day the
Coon's family fires kic Texas they are told that the Coon's family will sue kic Texas well this is a
lot to unpack because you have this team searching for answers and they're now saying that the mother knows
where the son is and that the son is dead mhm and where's their evidence for this so they're brought into this case
cold we should say that they're brought in with no assumptions and they're going
to go in there with phase one of their investigation is to interview all four of those adults that were up at the
campsite and it's through the course of these interviews now mind you I don't think that they ever spoke with Isaac
directly they spoke with the grandfather and the two parents and what their findings were is that they were being
told different stories that we have the parents telling the record States from kic Texas that they were told five
different stories by both parents who were interviewed separately and they questioned some of
the statements that they received regarding the grandfather now what they do state regarding Isaac is that they
again I don't think they spoke with him directly their statement is that he spoke with law enforcement on four
different occasions and gave the same story every time well I have a couple problems with this Philip Klein and I
don't know if you've seen some of the statements that he's given about this one he claims we came in cold we knew
nothing and then the next statement is we came came up with three theories their three theories were the same as
the sheriff's theories yes they after speaking with the sheriff's department those were the theories that they were
going to investigate right which if you're going in cold you don't ask for theories you also don't just Ponder okay
here's the situation now let's sit around and think about theories because that what you're doing is you're
creating a theory and now you have to follow that down the rout rbit hole until you get to the end right if you're
coming in cold you come up with no Theory you let evidence direct you to theories and then
you go down those rabbit holes and yes they interviewed these people three out of the four where's your due diligence
there and then on the other hand yes there's parts of their stories that don't light
up they don't go through through and tell you which ones don't line up and if you watch some of these interviews some
of the things that don't line up as the parents say well we told Grandpa to watch our son we went walking up there
then they ask Grandpa were you told to watch the sun I guess so that's what they told me I can't really
remember so is that one of the things that is not lining up because if if that if there's 10 of those that don't line
up is is it miscommunication or is it a lie well so just to clarify and this is according to kic Texas to their official
statement is that they came into the case cold in November of 2015 okay um they said that they did not
review re or correspond with any agency or Media Group until after phase one was
established in the investigation this phase included but was not limited to interviews with family friends relatives
Witnesses and site location information post completion of phase one it was after these interviews that it was
determined that they needed to follow up uh and examine the three theories that that we
discussed so it it is their official statement that they did come in cold that they it wasn't until interviews and
all that was conducted that they arrived at the same three theories that the sheriff's department did uh that needed
to be investigated at the time right but again if you look at the statements that
they have released they make tons of gigantic claims like we know that the son is dead we know the mother knows
where the son is just she won't tell us these are huge claims that you're not backing up with any evidence so you're
just putting this out to the public you're just putting this out to the media and you're not giving us the
reason why look if you want to make a statement like that I have I have no problem and if they pieces of [ __ ]
they're pieces of [ __ ] and let's figure out what happened to this kid what I have a problem with is you making
statements and then and not coming up with not releasing any evidence to to uh back up your your statements and these
are damning statements that's why they're being sued and then they also do stuff like well we raised
$29,000 for their they weren't going to be charged um hourly rates it was just going you know they're going to raise
this money just through fundraisers through fundraisers and they make a big deal
about how well out of the $29,000 raised 20,000 we used we don't really know where the other 9,000 is right okay well
you have two parents that are not working that are spending their time searching and you have you know all that
stuff going on and there's a lot of times in these cases where some of that money goes to the family but again it's
one of those things we're going to throw some shade we used 20 some th000 there's
9,000 missing oh that makes these parents guilty well I I see what you're saying but I I don't
think that that look I don't want to get into trying to determine what the intentions are of kic Texas right if
this were me in this situation I would do exactly as they did with that statement that you just said
because okay keep this in mind they agreed to take on the case this was based off of through fundraisers that
was with the general public so me I would feel that I owe an explanation to the general public that came together to
raise all this money to hire me and now I'm accusing the parents so I right my my problem with
that though is if you're a private investigator if you're a team of impr private investigators and you know that
sometimes the money is used for things like that to pay rent and cuz life goes on your kids's missing and life is going
on you would know this so it doesn't matter that's not my obligation here what I'm what I'm right
what I'm saying is people need to be more concerned with the truth and what they're trying to do and this is all the
truth no no the statements they're making is we we can throw shade and then we don't have to back that up with [ __ ]
other than don't you think that's a little strange I'm not talking about any other statement other than just the
money right now no I look look the money I get but what I'm saying is if you're a
private investigator if you rais money before and the money goes to towards your expenses but it also sometimes goes
to paying the the the parents' rent that that month you know that that's a possibility so don't just put it out
there with we spent 20 some thousand and we don't know where this other money is
so look down upon the the parents and that's what I'm saying that's irresponsible they could have made I
don't think it's irresponsible at all I understand that you feel the need to tell the public where the money went
yeah that's that's if I were in the situation that would be my only obligation is that I need to tell you
where the money that you people put together your hard earned money that you put together for this investigation I'm
going to tell you exactly where it went and my statement is $29,100 was used for investigators and
Equipment travel and hotels only investigators hourly cost and all other cost have been donated to the Klein
Foundation that is funded by kic Texas and the stockholders of kic right this is where they're saying
we have no idea what happened to the $921 these these other monies given this is where the coons family can come
forward and say we had to pay our rent right we've out of they're the that have that's their obligation to the public
okay I agree there as a as a businessman and as myself I only took a percentage of the money raised I only need to
answer for that okay and I don't think that they're but what what what they did in the statements that they released if
you read the statement that they released the I am reading the statement that they released it's constantly let's
throw a little shade give you no evidence uh to back up our statement and then move on to the next one throw more
shade don't back it up with any evidence and maybe they don't have to release that to the public but I think when
you're when you're sitting there making these bold statements why do you think that why do you think that the the kid
is dead why do you think that the mother knows where the kid is at you know what
what led you to that just lies or inconsistencies and then that's my problem with the
statement I agree with that I do I don't think that all of this was handled in the best most professional manner but
also keep in mind if they do have any evidence that led them to those conclusions the public is not the right
place for that to end up the the proper place for that is to turn that evidence over to law enforcement now right but
you could also make the statement of Simply like the the last private investigator we think that they're being
they're not being Cooperative or they're not telling us the truth and we're backing away from this and we're giving
all the information that we've collected to the authorities but to me this statement was we're going to throw as
much against these parents as we can and to publicly shame them well here's one part that is left out of some of those
documentaries and some internet coverage of this case and this is from kic Texas
when they are talking about all the searches that they conducted through their course of their in investigation
okay this is actually listed as their secondary search and this is very interesting
information one they say that investigators searched by permission in the 900 block of ADA Idaho Falls Idaho
which is the former residence of Vernal Coons and Jessica Mitchell yeah both have been evicted for not paying rent
and left in the apartment furniture and clothing and in such the landlord had cleaned out the apartment and moved all
the Articles to a near dumpster to near the dumpster for removal as the property
had been declared abandoned by the landlord right investigators were given permission to search the abandoned waste
by the landlord during the search we will report investigators found the following one four Matchbox cars
described previously by the parents as missing and they did not know where they were two a camo child's jacket similar
to being described by both parents as being worn on the day of the event and suggested to be missing with the child
three a credit card used by Family by a family friend with seemingly purchases of items unknown to investigators in
testimony four an insurance tracking device box and instruction package all evidence was turned over to the Li High
County Sheriff's Office for further testing with the US doj and FBI all right there's some things to
unpack the camo jacket little strange could have multiple jackets right mhm um the matchbox cards
you I could care less about I don't think there's much there these I I think the the the reason why they call these
into question is because they are saying that these cars were described previously by the parents as missing and
they didn't know where they were what's with this credit card so I don't know what's up with this
credit card because here they what's up with that they need to be vague right they can't tell us what the purchases
were and when they took place but what they are saying is this card was used by a family friend with purchases of items
unknown to investigators throughout the course of testimony given by likely the parents right and what what the hell is
an insurance tracking device box I don't know some kind of tracking device with instructions yeah that's I don't know
that's that's very strange maybe maybe somebody could add that to the blog and let us know what what the hell that is
but yeah I think the key the the the big thing there the big thing that you call
into question there is the camo jacket the one that we've always heard all along that is described to be similar or
the same as what the boy was wearing when he was last seen by his parents right well no look I think that's
something but again there's kids that like camo and they have multiple camo jackets so and I I get that but it's
just like the money situation right I as an investigator my only obligation is to
tell you what I found and what I'm using your money for I am not preventing the Coon's family or the parents of ever
coming forward in and giving a rebuttal or adding to that information and saying
we we had to use the money for rent we had no choice yeah he had two or three camo jackets we were unaware that that
was in the trash right yeah I mean this this one's just so tough I mean this case one this cute boy I mean if you
watch any of the footage of him I mean he's just uh he's kind of a goofball there's
there's a scene where he's saying uh Mama I love you and she's saying I'm love you back and he won't stop saying I
love you and You' think it's just this accident that they turn their back and he goes missing and and they're going to
find him and it's you know it's tragedy but it's an accident or or there's an animal that took this poor kid
away but it's almost like you can live with that that's the that's an accident and those things happen and it's tra
it's a tragedy but then when you go all these we have multiple private investigators
ruling out that an animal took this kid away or that he walked off on his own we
have the sheriff saying the same thing the sheriff is saying look the likelihood of this kid being abducted
out there doesn't make any sense we have private investigators saying the same thing then we have eyewitnesses that
can't put this kid in that area out of the four people there they're saying that there's a uh there's
a kid there but three of the people are family members so are they covering up for each other and did did they take
advantage of this neighborhood friend quote unquote that's a little odd that we can he'll be one of our
Witnesses and the boy is never there and other than him we have nobody outside the family saying that the boy was even
there and then you have one private investigator go hey you fools are lying to me I'm out the door next private
investigator comes in hey you fools lying to me I'm out the door and then it comes back to this idea
too with the sheriff saying we exhausted every option of it being accid of it being in an accident and the parents not
coming clean about it and that's where it brings you to this statement from Jessica where she says hey look I was
offered immunity I was offered immunity but I had to show them the body of my child
and I can't do that well when when we talk about you know we were getting into Throwing
Shade and and here's the thing I want to I want us to keep in mind that all along
the way in my opinion Jessica was showing Throwing Shade at these unknown unnamed individuals yeah this this dirty
man with the boy at the the at the store this creepy guy that was staring at my boy at the store right all along the way
Throwing Shade at these unnamed individuals or Nam individuals look at our look at the
family friend he was odd he was weird he's he still is weird whatever yeah but the thing they even threw shade at the
grandfather yeah you're right she does she's like if maybe something happened with my grandfather maybe he did
something yeah so the thing I want everybody to keep in mind here I think this is a statement to to to throw this
out to the public so where it's going to look like oh well I must be innocent I must be innocent if I tell all of you
that I was offered immunity and that I had to produce I had to show them where the body was so why
would I not be innocent if I could just show them where the body was then I'm not getting charged with anything so
that's that's that's as much evidence as you need that I'm absolutely innocent what she fails to tell you well as I
believe this is just my belief I can't back this up because the shi's department and law enforcement agencies
have not confirmed that they've ever offered her immunity right that I could find no no they're they're silent about
that there's no comment on that but I want you to I want I'm going to give you a direct statement from Lin Bowerman who
we heard from earlier he's the the limh high County Sheriff yeah let's go through this statement of his and let's
read between the lines here okay he says first he leads in with with this uh this
is Midway through a whole long conversation but he says they could not meaning the parents they could not pass
the section this is in regards to a polygraph on do you know where Dior Coons is at this time and do you know
what happened to him they could not pass those two parts on the polygraph captain
and I both agreed before the recording of this it's it's stated publicly that they
didn't pass polygraph test you and I are just going to throw that out we're going
to toss that out completely because we understand how difficult that is to polygraph parents of a dead child or
missing child who may be actually innocent so let's just toss that in the trash can and go on to this statement
regarding I think this is in direct regards to her statement about immunity well and back to real quick on that it's
one because if a parent feels guilty about their child dying or going missing they will fail that portion and also if
they are too emotional they will fa fail portions of the test that's why in most
cases I like lie detectors in these cases I do not so his statement in January 2016 says we've given them
meaning both parents yeah too many opportunities to tell us what happened if it was an accident there's been no
interest in going that direction so that tells me there's only one other possibility it has to be a homicide I
disagree with the end of that statement that it has to be a homicide right I think that that's a very likely
possibility but when I apply this statement to Jessica's statement about me being offered immunity and I have to
show them the body the discussion that you and I had earlier is there's a couple problems with that that doesn't
mean that she's innocent because one if I'm Jessica and I show you where the body is if they're in fact is
one what if the evidence on that body does not suggest or back up my statement of what accident occurred with that boy
right what if they go well we found this or that now we know this is a homicide this was not an accident right now she's
in trouble because I would bet you that that immunity if in fact she was offered
that was stipulated by it being an accident that she be completely truthful and lead them to the body right because
why would they give them immunity if they think they're guilty of killing here's the other child let's go back to
the first private investigator he had some thoughts and theories that maybe the child was given
away yeah well there in lies another problem if you offer me immunity and I have to lead you to the body
there is no body the boy's alive right and elsewhere and there's a lot of speculation that the boy's father is not
his real father and and and since there's speculation of that and and the last private investigator brings this
point up as well but it's like let's just do the DNA test let's do a DNA test to clear this up and so we can move on
with the investigation MH um I do want to point out one other thing that they thought brought Jessica
into suspicion was the lack of photos um apparently she was very diligent about always taking photos of little Dior and
posting them online and on social media and they note that on the camping trip now be it it's a short trip from the
time they show up till to the time that he goes missing it's what 24 hours less than 24 hours they do know hey what you
didn't take any pictures of your boy during this time you didn't post any pictures
so that that's one thing of Interest continuing on with more statements from kic Texas they state that they don't
have any evidence other than the testimony of the four adults at the campsite that indicates that Dior Coon's
the minor child was on the mountain and they say we believe that the parents through family members and
through friends in social media have begun a misinformation operation on behalf of the
parents to mislead the media mislead law enforcement and mislead investigators with kic Texas as well as the general
public stating we now have due to the testimony of all Witnesses including store employees clerks beer distribution
drives fuel handlers and credible Witnesses they have given credible testimony that we cannot find any person
that saw the child go up to the mountain either the day of the event or the evening before we therefore are now
moving our timeline of the event back to 5:00 p.m. of the day before the 911 call
was made all right so now that we've heard from pretty much everybody what what's your thoughts on this um here's
the weird thing for me is that I don't necessarily agree with either the sheriff's department or kic Texas where
both persons have decided to both gencies have decided to back up their timeline and look for people to talk to
the day before before they even went to the campsite right and my reasoning behind this is a couple of things we yes
we only have the four adults saying that Dior was ever even there but the problem
with that is if in fact he never was there then all four of these people have to be involved in some form or fashion
right I don't see a situation where all four of them are involved especially when we see that they all
kind of start turning on one another a little bit right but all private investigators and the law enforcement
believe the the family friend right and that's the thing you can't believe the family friend and then say he was never
there that day that's that's where your problem is because if you believe Isaac's statements and Isaac has said
every time Dior was there he was at the campsite so where I'm going with this is
is a couple things okay so I think that Dior did go up to the campsite with them
where everything starts to fall apart is the next morning when they wake up the next morning right that's when the
stories start getting wonky between the grandfather the the father and the mother right then we have Isaac who he
can't recall certain things and he seems a little confused about some things he's guessing sometimes yeah
but everybody's stating he's given the same story four different times and they believe him to be truthful so we have
the parents who at some point say you know what it could have been this Isaac guy that did something to my child we
have the mother who said it could have been my grandfather that did something to this child right the grandfather
starts to say you know what I'm starting to not think I know what happened up there
I think the problem for the grandfather Andor Isaac to be responsible for what happened to Dior is that the timeline is
too small the window of time of opportunity to do something to this boy is too small right the body and one's
not even physically fit one's carrying around oxygen right he's carrying around oxygen I don't know what would lead me
to believe here's the problem if the grandfather did something wrong then you have to believe the parents story right
right if Isaac did something wrong you have to believe the parents story and both their stories say we left we went
into town we came back we're there a short period of time and then in a window of 10 to 15 minutes our boy goes
missing well that only gives the grandfather Andor Isaac 10 to 15 minutes to kill and and and get rid of the
body that it just it doesn't work out because you have to believe somebody's story along the way somebody is telling
the truth and I think the person telling the truth is Isaac and regarding the grandfather I believe that he's just a
little confused I think I think he's a little old right because of his age and because he he falls asleep
often he might not really know what happened I personally think and I have no idea what actually happened to Dior
but where I have a big problem is day two of the camping trip as soon as they wake up that morning the stories start
to fall apart dior's parents cannot tell you exactly what time they left they give different reasons for why they left
to begin with and at some point their stories do start to meet in the middle but that might be because they're going
well wait a second you said you went into town for uh female products right he's saying you went into town for gas
yeah you could have went in town for both and they also claim they stopped at four or five places
we have nobody along the way that says that they saw the child with either parent or both parents and the problem
here is we have the mother saying oh we interacted with this person and they can
confirm that they saw Dior nope they couldn't oh and then the father says I don't even know if they could confirm
that they saw her the father says we were the boy stayed out in the in the you know near the truck with me and we
spoke to this person and they can confirm that me and Dior were there that person says Nope I never saw the boy so
what is it they can't tell you what they had for breakfast who cooked breakfast they can't tell you if the boy went into
the stores if he stayed out with his dad what they went into town for my thought
is that something happened to this boy either after they went to bed the first night of camping or they got rid of him
somewhere when they went into town and I think when they got back we had a short
period of time and we had two guys to other guys that could be easily tricked I think that there's a good chance that
Dior was never there once they returned to the campsite and I think we have Isaac and Bob who both can't fully
recall the exact minutes and movements of what was going on right and I think that whatever happened it happened and
they they got rid of him elsewhere now he could be alive they could have handed him off to somebody else right and just
came back and said you know what we're going to we're going to say that we lost the boy and now we got these other two
guys that can't really confirm what was going on that day that that's just that's where I'm kind of left and I I
know it's not any brilliant thoughts or any brilliant evidence added to any of those thoughts but it's just when you
really start looking at everybody's stories you have to believe somebody if not if that boy never went up on that
mountain then all four of these people are involved in some form and fashion and I also want to add some things
regarding Isaac year one year after The Disappearance of this little boy he has asked in an
interview do you think that the parents did something to him and he says no I don't think that I don't know them very
well but I don't think that they would do anything like that and that struck me as so interesting where you have all
these people turning on one another they even turned on Isaac yeah and guess what
I think that the investigators really thought Isaac could be their guy very early on right they're talking to him
they interview him four times I he has the most reason to be truthful and say Dior was never there because he was
looked at by the family or talked about by the family as a possible suspect right so why why what does he have to
gain from saying the boy was there that day the only thing he has to gain from saying the boy was there that day is
suspicion upon himself yeah I think investigators wanting to roll back the time period all the way to 5:00 I
don't know if that is is right but but again it's possible because think about this way
you have a short period of time that you're going to go to the campground or you have to set up people are setting
up tents we're going to sleep over here in the the Blazer and and you're going to be in there and and you could you
could probably pretend a little bit that you have oh we're going to put him down
for a nap he's already sleeping right and the family friend he's a little off so he might let his
imagination run wild a little bit and go yeah well yeah the kid was there I saw him in the back seat you know who knows
what he saw right I don't know if we should go all the way back but we don't know what happened
once everybody fell asleep did the parents leave but I'm also with you on the idea
that why did he go into town this doesn't make much sense and also like most women know their Cycles so most
women would know hey I I might be on my period soon soon maybe I should be prepared right so I think between that
and then the other excuse of well we had to get gas what do you got to get gas for you you
knew that you were going to go into this this place to to camp out for the night normally if you're running out of
gas you go well let me stop here in town and then we'll go out there so I I kind
of feel the same thing too maybe what happened that night or what happened in this time period
and it's it's very odd to me that you have two people that can't recall even how long they were gone for like the you
know the grandfather and the family friend they can't recall so who knows how long it was and it's
like was it 2 hours was it 3 hours was it 4 hours we don't don't know and um but I think they would be able to
track their phones though and that's what makes me believe that maybe they can't prove
that they went further out than they claimed that they did and maybe that's why they're put in their time period
back to the day before they left but this is a difficult one and it's very sad and and it's like
I I guess there's a part of that that wants to believe the parents aren't horrible pieces of [ __ ] but within
consistencies nothing ever lining up and it's it's one thing if one private investigator doesn't like you but
two and then law enforcement turns on you and it seems like everybody keeps turning on them and those people just
don't turn on the parents of a missing child child for no reason yeah unless that boy was abducted
in in a in a very tiny short window of time with four adults up there who saw nothing with one way in one way
out nothing else makes sense to me the parents are the only two that had an opportunity to get rid of the boy or the
body right but I can't get over that statement of the search dogs with the scent did not pick up a scent of that
boy I can't get over that again though that leads you to if you believe he was never there then all four of these
individuals are in on this and the the opportune time to get rid of this boy is when they go back into town and it
doesn't necessarily mean that they dumped a body they could have hit a body or they could handed the boy off to
somebody at some point right the other thing that I call into question here is you are are taking care of your
grandfather he requires a caregiver he is on oxygen 24/7 I'm not leaving my 2-year-old boy who is described as a
real go-getter who moves quick with my elderly oxygen needing grandfather alone that
makes no sense just doesn't line up yeah so I regardless of why they claim that they went into town maybe he needed fuel
because they were running something off of the car when it was turned on maybe she did need these products that I don't
so much call into question I call into question a lot of the behaviors and the the the statements that just don't line
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Brief Summary

The episode covers the mysterious disappearance of 2-year-old Dior Coons and the investigation's challenges and theories.

Key points

True Crime Garage Introduction. Hosts Nick and the Captain welcome listeners and share their drink of choice.
Missing Child Case Overview. Sheriff Bowerman discusses the timeline and initial search for a missing child.
Investigation Insights. Sheriff shares details about the investigation and the cooperation of the family.
The Shovel Incident. A shovel with mud raises questions during the investigation.
Investigator's Doubts. Private investigator Frank Vilt expresses suspicion about the parents' honesty.
Parents Named Suspects. The sheriff's department elevates the parents to suspect status in the case.

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I can't completely rule it out but it's one of the least likely things.

Sheriff's opinion on the child's disappearance.

9:33WatchNov 16, 2023

Tension

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