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today is not a day to celebrate but the arrest of Richard M Allen of Deli on two counts of murder is sure a
major step in leading to the conclusion of this long-term and complex investigation first I'd like to speak
directly to Anna Mike Becky Kelsey your extended [Music] families along with the entire Deli
community that certainly has grown and now includes our nation and even many countries around the
world I am proud to report to you that today actually last Friday was the day and an arrest has been
[Music] made 5 weeks ago today we sat down and delivered an on the-fly update on the
deli murder case and that was when Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter Carrol County Sheriff Tobe lesen
be who is now the outgoing sheriff and Carol County prosecutor Nicholas mcleland had a scheduled press
conference this was on Monday October 31st better known as Halloween and we did I wouldn't say an
emergency podcast here Captain because we knew that we likely would be doing it but it was rather different than our
normal setup as normally we are coming to you from our garage Studio but on that day on that Halloween we were
coming to you from two very different locations I was in a hotel room in Cleveland Ohio and you were out of the
country so we were watching and waiting for that press conference as it was announced earlier the previous week they
went forward with the press conference and then we delivered on what it was that they had released at that time and
the information that was stated during that press conference and then our questions and feelings on that
information and of course that press conference was all built around what happened the Friday before which that
was the arrest of Richard M Allen a deli resident charged with murder in this case and he was arrested officially
arrested on Friday October 28th 2022 and one of the major things that was presented in that press conference
was that they sealed the probable cause affidavit yes and then we were told that
there would be a court hearing in November which was scheduled for November 22nd that would be an
opportunity for anybody that had an opinion be it the people that will be eventually in court here on these
charges to State their case for why this affidavit should either be released to the public or be withheld or portions of
it redacted and then released and of course they had that court hearing and what we learned that day was that the
judge was going to take some time to decide on how to proceed and then of course they did
release this probable cause affidavit but released a redacted version of that just last week and we were able to get
some more information about the case and about the investigation from that PCA yeah kudos to the judge for not making
any rash decision you know what's the big deal take a couple days and make the correct decision for what you think is
the correct decision for this case and this case has been completely crazy because from drum Street this this case
became its own you know we have a moner that's responsible for the the murder of
two innocent little girls but this case became a monster in its own online with all the speculation and people piling on
throughout the years and it's it's not stopped it's not stopped with the arrest that took place in late October and it's
not stopped with the information that is coming out so one thing that was interesting to me Captain was there was
a lot of speculation about the sealing of this document in the first place and I saw a lot of
people coming out of the woodwork on Twitter on the internet on Reddit and such and criticizing the investigators
and and using this sealed document to back up their criticism of those investigators and I want to be clear
here I don't do a lot of pushing back on social media but I had to jump in when I
saw this because I felt like that it was out of turn a little bit because really
truly what we have here is the prosecutor is the one that sealed this document that requested that it be
sealed and remain sealed right and the police or law enforcement the Indiana State Police in fact Doug Carter stating
on the record before they release this document that he was fine and comfortable with the document being
released saying that he believed that the probable cause affidavit spoke for itself now the criticism being that well
law enforcement has really botched this investigation and they wanted it sealed because once it's released it will be
clear to everybody how they kind of bungled the whole investigation well again it was the prosecutor that was
asking that this document remain to be sealed not law enforcement it was the defense and the media that was
requesting that it be release to the public the prosecutor was simply saying in this
hearing two reasons for keeping this document sealed would be one and this is this is what kind of shook me when the
prosecutor stated that there is reason to believe that there are other actors involved I think that was probably the
most shocking thing to come out of this hearing the other reason being that there are witnesses that that are named
in this PCA I agree with the prosecutor their safety should be a concern and keeping these Witnesses safe is a really
good thing not just in this case it's a good thing for everyone for all of society and all cases past present and
future agreed and if prosecution truly believes that there wasn't another actor or actors involved in this case then
obviously you would want to protect these I Witnesses because now this would be evidence to them to murderers that
these people saw something and these are people that maybe you would want to go after so obviously we should be
protecting the rights and the identity of these eyewitnesses I feel a little weird about the wording that was used
the chosen words that were delivered that says there is reason to believe that there are other actors involved I
think we should explore that just a little bit before we move on to the affidavit itself what could that mean
obviously it could mean that there could be some type of person that assisted in
some form or fashion in the murders or assisted to try to cover them up I think that this is a very blanketed statement
and at least I'm hoping that that's the situation because while reviewing everything that's come out and again
this is so weird that we we don't know we still there's a lot of things we still do not know in this case but
reviewing what has been released it sounds more to me that I would put the probability high on on the
fact that maybe he Richard Allen if he is in fact guilty and again he's innocent until proven guilty in the
court of law but if he is in fact guilty of this double homicide maybe he told someone or somebody covered for him in
some way in previous state stats to police I I feel like this could be people shouldn't run too wild with this
statement because I think it could be a very blanketed statement and it could be
that somebody has some type of involvement on a much smaller scale yeah or there's some reason that maybe
Richard would have known that the girls were out there on the trail that day right because while we have this arrest
going on everything that was focused on on this case with the clein their names have not been
mentioned since Richard Allen came into the fold but simply put the probable cause affidavit is basically a statement
that they're going to be giving to a judge to make so they can make an arrest in the case right and that's the thing
when when this document is released to the public we need to keep in mind that this is not a document that is saying
here are all the reasons why Richard Allen is guilty that's not what they're saying they're giving just enough
information here is some information that we find to be credible and we believe that this credible information
is pointing a finger at Richard Allen judge would you sign off on this and please let us go and arrest him and we
will continue to build the case after that but we need to get him off the streets because if he is the person that
committed these murders then he's a very very dangerous man yeah because I think
the first at first sight of this PCA it seems like the evidence against Richard Allen is pretty weak but then
once you learn that they don't have to put all the evidence in the PCA and they just really need to put enough to make
sure that they can make the arrest then you go well really this PCA doesn't matter all that much because there could
be a mountain of evidence against them and now we have to rewind L too because there's been a debate and there's going
to continue to be a debate whether or not there's DNA in this case I know that Becky the grandmother of one of the
victims has come forward and says law enforcement did make the statement that there was DNA in this case well you
arrest Richard Allen on murder charges those are felonies therefore you can get his DNA so if they do have DNA in this
case then they can test Richards Allen's DNA because now he's charged with a felony yes that is I I I want to kind of
limp in on that because I don't know the exact laws uh in Indiana and they do vary by state one thing that I always
found interesting in this case was that at the time of the murders that law had not been passed where we will collect
your DNA I I don't know if it's just if you've been arrested for a a felony or if it's been convicted of a
felony I believe that it is arrested of a felony charge in in Indiana but again I don't have that information right in
front of me at the moment well the defense attorney that I talked to stated that they would have collected his DNA
because he was charged with a felony so I'm going to go with her expert opinion is that an Indiana
attorney yeah okay so so the interesting thing here is this law was passed after
Libby and Abby were killed and I believe that this the law being passed is directly related to the crime and the
investigation of the deli murders case I've always kind of felt that way and as far as DNA goes it's interesting that
you bring that up because DNA is not mentioned in this probable cause affidavit which there's a couple of
things that are that are very interesting to me in this affidavit obviously let's go through some of the
highlights quickly and I I'll give like a very quick summary of the document itself because the document for those
that have not seen it it's eight pages long and it's about seven pages of information as to why a judge should
sign off on the arrest of Richard M Allen now those highlights are the first page is really just a very good detailed
description of where the crime took place and the surrounding area so it's describing the roads and the trails and
the bridge and it's really laying out everything as it were on that day and then it's giving the timing of some
different sightings and witness statements throughout that the course of that February 14th
2017 the highlights would be that there was a bullet found at the crime scene a live
round AN unspent round with extraction markings on it and that bullet they later determined
belong to or came from a gun that is owned by Richard Allen and we also learned that the video that was taken by
Libby that day on the bridge very quickly after Bridge guy makes his way across the bridge and
approaches the girls we now know that one of the girls said gun to the other so they spotted
the gun in Bridge guy's possession as he was getting closer to them and that's something that we had speculated on in
the past that there must have been some way we know that bridg guy was directing
the girls to where he wanted to take them right and now we know that a gun was used to Corral them and control them
and control the situation what is not mentioned in the PCA is the manner of death how the girls were killed so some
people have speculated well we now know that a gun was used in the crime so maybe they were
shot and there's again we still don't know that information based off of what's come
out I think you could argue it either way personally my feelings have always been that they probably weren't shot
because of all the rumors that ever came out in this case and there was a lot of them but at
no point do we ever have anybody saying that they were at the trails that day which we know a bunch of people were and
nobody ever saying that they heard a gunshot or gunshots that day well just to rewind a little bit when law
enforcement for the last 5 to six years have said look we we can't release we can't talk about certain pieces of
evidence and one of those pieces now we know that the girl's State gun well now that you know that there is a gun
involved somehow in some way in this crime that becomes important and then this bullet
shell this unspent bullet that's found between the girls at the murder scene becomes a pretty big piece of evidence
and obviously something that they didn't feel that they could share with the public because it could hinder the
investigation yeah and that's what always been one bit of criticism amongst others that law enforcement have had to
deal with in this case many people saying well how much more of a video how much more of audio do they have why
won't they release that and people would speculated maybe it was because the the
girls were killed during the course of the video or the audio what we've always been told and
what we've always said here in the garage is the information that we were getting was always that there was
nothing on any of the additional audio or video that's not been released to the public that would help to identify the
Killer maybe the word gun may have helped to identify the killer but again I think that
was much better to hold that withhold that information from the public then we have the the bullet the the unspent
bullet that is found at the crime scene where the girls were killed and where their bodies were discovered it just
reminds me of some of the statements that law enforcement has stated throughout the course of this
investigation and all of them are ringing true now you know one statement that to Blen said and this is when his
office was coming under criticism for the investigation dragging on for so long you know you got video you got the
guy on video you got his voice on video and on audio and yet there's no arrest what's the problem and amongst other
questions that he was Fielding one of the answers he gave to a question that was asked of him on in one particular
interview was that our investigators will will know it when we find it that that there was we will know we have the
right guy when we find him and that statement sounds kind of vague and dumb but really that statement always meant
to me that there would be something that would be able to tell them yes you got the right guy once you find the guy yes
you got the right guy that would it would confirm that for the investigators and now I believe that all along he may
have been talking about this bullet evidence well it's very possible and so we got the girl
on video stating that there's a gun so we know there's a gun then we see this like we said unspent Bullet at the crime
scene so what they're able to do is they're going to search Richard Allen's property he has multiple guns but one of
his guns is a 40 caliber gun and that matches this bullet now how do they match this bullet now early on when they
would do this ballistic test on guns it was the hammer hitting the head of the bullet and that was the major signature
but what they also realize is if you shoot the gun that the barrel has signature marks as well well when you
don't shoot the gun called rifling right if you don't shoot the gun and you just extract the bullet shoot
the bullet yeah then there's a marking as well so now if you have a situation that a bullet is fired you have the
marking on the the head you have the barrel markings and you have the extraction markings the problem here for
law enforcement is going to be that they only have extraction markings and this science uh and I think the defense
attorney stated it pretty well this is not this is not an exact science that this these signat
it's really based on who is testing the information so it's not a zct fingerprint science where it's like oh
well we have his fingerprint on the bullet no we have markings from the gun onto the bullet that are very similar
once they go to court prosecution's going to have their experts to argue their points stating why it does match
and then the defense will find EXP experts that say it doesn't match so it's very it's a little bit of a
confusing situation especially for those that are not very familiar with guns but
as I understand it this is how I am captain I'm one of these guys that I I own firearms I do not know much
about guns in general I know not very much about the uh I don't know a whole lot about the
guns that I own so I'm not a gun expert just because I own them but it's a lot like other things that I own inside my
home I I have TVs I'm not a TV expert uh we all know that I went to school for computer so well you have a great guitar
collection and I have a great guitar collection and I can I can probably fumble my way through about three songs
and I've owned these guitars for way too long to not know more songs than that so
but the the very general thought here is that if you if you rack the gun that it
will extract the bullet and then it leaves marks before to to push the bullet out
of the gun what probably happened in this scenario is that he either racked the gun or in the during the commission
of some kind of fight or scuffle the gun got racked and the the bullet was extracted there's a
chance that he may not have known that that bullet came out of his gun that day it wouldn't be that hard to find the
bullet so this is a mistake but in cases like this you need to have the murderer
make mistakes so this was a mistake now I don't want to go down a crazy conspiracy Rabbit Hole Theory but
there's been a lot of talk early on in the investigation that maybe they're not releasing certain audio clips because
maybe this person post as law enforcement and I keep seeing that being brought up online one of the reasons
that's being brought back up online is because a 40 caliber is probably the most popular caliber that's carried by
law enforcement now I ask multiple gun experts as I am not one of them how common is a 40
caliber gun and they'd say well it's probably one of the most popular handhelds but if you look at popularity of bullets
it's not even in the top five you normally have a 35 a 9 mm uh 22 uh a 12 gauge shotgun so it's not of the most
popular ammos out there types of os out there but it is one of the most popular handhelds but where conspiracy theorists
will go wild on this is that the 40 caliber is probably the most popular when it comes to law enforcement that
may be I'm going to have to disagree there I I actually think that a 40 caliber handgun would
be an uncommon police used weapon but uh it but again all that stuff varies from
jurisdiction to jurisdiction from agency to agency they all have their own protocols they all have their own
standards that they've created throughout the years my general understand in of law enforcement and the
uh the guns that they typically carry the 9mm is a very common service revolver or sorry service weapon and you
might see 40 45 with being carried by detectives a 40 caliber gun so 40 caliber handgun I while I wouldn't say that it's
uncommon I would also 100% agree with you about the bullet because the bullet is a little a 40 caliber bullet is a
little more Uncommon just for the fact that they are more expensive ammunition and so people tend to buy
guns that that have cheaper um ammunition and in the 40 caliber is more expensive well I should have stated that
because I'm not an expert on this I I did want to reach out to people so I was able to talk to Two Gun experts that
also uh train and do training with law enforcement as well and both of them said that the 40 caliber is one one of
the most popular but as far as law enforcement goes but not as popular in the normal Public's view the other
highlight here is that the probable cause affidavit discusses a vehicle and this again remember we go back in time
and we remember Doug Carter telling the public hey we are looking for the owner of a vehicle that was parked at the old
CPS building this vehicle is mentioned during the affidavit and they're also linking Richard Allen to this vehicle
that they are discussing in the affidavit as being parked his vehicle being parked at the CPS
building couple of things though here that that I'm seeing online and it's kind of regurgitated time and time again
that I want to address that they oh my God this guy he he says he was at the the trails that day and he looks exactly
like Bridge guy he's wearing the same clothing as Bridge guy I get it but I also want to point out that we've said
that not you and I in particular but we the public as a whole have said that seven or eight times about other
individuals leading up to this arrest well one of the things that we stated and it's not like that were're some uh
Geniuses by any means but what we've seen by covering hundreds and hundreds of cases that a lot of times when there
is a eyewitness that even comes forward and we know Richard Allen came forward to law enforcement and says look I was
there I was there between these times this is a detailed um description of what I was
wearing now to me if I'm law enforcement and I see okay here's a guy that matches
somewhat the build he's telling us he was there he describes bridg guy's clothing to a
te I'm going to be interviewing that guy early and often but the problem here and
what we stated a long time ago and we've covered this case multiple episodes so it couldn't tell you what number of
episode it was that we stated this but we've stated time and time again in murder cases you have to look at the
eyewitnesses because we've seen it over and over where the eyewitness gets involved lets law enforcement know that
they were there just in case somebody saw them and now they become an eyewitness and not a person of
interest the problem and I will state it again like we stated before the problem
I think with this case was early on we had a large number of agencies involved multiple agencies with multiple agents
doing these interviews and I think that hindered the case maybe not so much for the search of the girls but it hindered
the case in interviewing Witnesses well and that in itself I mean we know of at least four agencies that were directly
involved since day one and we know that officers and agents throughout the state
of Indiana were involved since early on in this case and you're absolutely right
Captain you you do have to employ all of the resources that you have and in some
cases your resources are that you have an army of people and so you yes you do need to use them especially with a case
of this magnitude and a case that has this many tips coming in and possible Witnesses people Possible having been to
the trails that day the day before the day after people 300 people involved in the search for these girls so you have a
lot of people to question an interview you have a lot going on but yes you can you're exactly right and spot on in your
thoughts it can cause a a bit of Chaos in your investigation and it can cause easily cause
disorganization in your investigation well and instead of throwing Doug Carter and the ISP and everybody under the bus
what we have to remember and what they've said multiple times which was so confusing at the time to me but it's so
clear now is he said that once we have this individual and once we're able to look at this individual in the face
we're going to have to start the investigation all over again and I think he was making those statements cuz they
knew probably after the first year we had too many cooks in the kitchen and we need to reorganize the information that
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head over and shop [Music] today he is innocent he has told us that uh very emotionally he has thanked us
for our help uh and we are anxious uh for the public to read this we're anxious for this thing to get going and
um uh you know we'll see and when you guys read the PCA presuming that the judge grants our motion you know you
will have to question is this what happens after 5 years of an investigation is this what it is we
don't have any other evidence we don't have any Discovery that's all we have and we are not impressed the two people
being involved uh the the conjecture from the prosecutor today was new information for us I've been on this
case folks for five what six days so I don't know a whole lot we have not seen the evidence and I uh you
know another person involved I mean that's that's new news so that's not reflected in the PCA uh not the PCA that
I read somebody might read something a line about you know you're going to see maybe about a vehicle or about a person
or about a time frame and it might ring a bell uh something that they hadn't thought of before and when they read
that then you know they can contact us as as lawyers we're getting lots of information from lots of people across
the country especially locally we don't know what is hoaxes we don't know what's
true we don't know if it's a podcaster you know uh opportunity to get in the Limelight we don't know what's real but
we're going to we're going to uh look at every uh single uh person that contacts
us we're going to contact them everybody and we're going to figure out if what they know is helpful what if anything
has your client Richard Allen said this has impacted him P or his family obviously uh this has impacted Richard
and his family tremendously I mean his his wife is uh just a wonderful person and she loves her husband they've been
married for over 30 years they were basically High School sweethearts uh they love each other and
she fully supports him but it is devastating uh she's scared she doesn't want to leave her house she did leave
her house she uh thankfully uh is in a little bit better place than she was uh a month ago but it's this is all new to
them can you say anything about why uh investigators are focused on your client you guys will read the probable
cause affidavit and you may wonder why they are focused on our client we haven't ask you the fundamental question
and that is your client's the wrong guy our client's the wrong [Music] guy all right we are
back to the windows to the walls we got our computer expert we got our beats expert diving and dissecting crimes
cheers to everybody cheers to you Captain cheers to all the good people out there joining us again one more time
on this case and look expert at what I don't know I'm I'm a garage expert I'll give you that and I think the captain
that the captain is a garage expert as well well I'll vouch for him on that front but the what is not in the
affidavit is interesting just as much as what is in the affidavit so you're exactly right
there's not anything with DNA in here we got to keep in mind too this is simply to get Richard M Allen in handcuffs
arrest him detain him hold him until there can be an actual trial so whatever's not in here does not mean
that that's not part of the investigation it's just what they this is the information that they chose
to include to give to the judge to sign off on that arrest now I was able to speak with a retired detective about
this case and one of the things he said and he kept reminding me over and over there can be a mountain of evidence that
they don't have to put in the PCA now what he stated was well you have a Smoking Gun here because you have a
bullet that came from his gun they did test they believe it came from Richard Allen's Gun at the crime scene between
the two victims and that should be enough because and and not just because it was there but when they asked him
about it there was no reasonable explanation his explanation was simply I don't know how that got there so that
would be enough for them to keep him to trial and like you said that is the point of the piece and I could be
absolutely wrong on all of this information right here and I want to point out why it would not be in this
document even if it were to be true so DNA they could have it uh maybe they have it today but didn't have it when
they were requesting the arrest as the captain pointed out that's a possibility we also don't know what tests have been
conducted since the arrest of this man now we know that there was a search of his property in his home leading up to
his arrest and we'll get into that that's in the PCA so we don't know if they've come into DNA evidence since
then the other thing with how the victims were killed i' I don't believe that they were
shot we do know that a gun was used in the course of these crimes that were committed that day and the homicides but
the thing is I feel like if you have a bullet that is found near your murder victim and you're using
that to sign off on his arrest what they're not saying in the PCA is that we recovered a bullet from one of the
victims or both victims that matches a bullet that would have come from Allen's Gun right and we've looked at this case
for since the beginning and never once have we heard any anything of a eyewitness being an ear witness saying
that they heard gunshots and then there's been some question too about the the search of Richard Allen's home how
did that come about there's some debate out there did he consent was a search requested and he
consented to the search or did they actually get a search warrant I'm of the belief that they got
a search warrant and we'll get into that here in a minute but if if that is the case then that means there's another
document out there that likely has a good deal of information in it that nobody has seen yet well and that's the
reason why I'm going to say that he possibly consented to this because that information I believe
prosecution would have to ask for that information to be sealed as well and since there is no report on that on the
news I'm I'm just guessing that he consented I mean it states also that his wife is saying hey those those clothes
that he wore the day of the murders we have them we own them we we never threw them away so they have those to test as
well and so not only there's no DNA evidence reported in the PCA but hair samples cloth fibers there's so many
other things fingerprints that they could have but they don't have to state in the PCA yeah so let's get into the
PCA rather than just citing some of the highlights I want to give some direct information from that document so I'm
going to jump ahead to page two and on page two the this information is interesting it says the video recovered
from victim 2's phone so they referring to our victims as victim one and two throughout this document not by name and
it says the video recovered from victim 2's phone shows victim one walking Southeast on the moanin High Bridge
while a male subject wearing a dark jacket and jeans Walks Behind her as the male subject approaches victim one and
two one of the victims mentions gun we had talked about that earlier near the end of the video a male is seen and
heard telling the girls guys down the hill the girls then begin to proceed down the hill and the video ends a still
photograph taken from the video and the guys down the hill audio was released to
the public to assist investigators and identifying the male what's interesting here to me Captain is we keep having
people online saying he looks exactly like bridg guy looks exactly like the sketch and again I with the reminder
that we've said that about seven or eight other individuals one thing that's really interesting to me is that I don't
when when do we hear this guy's voice because the the audio guys down the hill was such a big part of the public plea
for information from law enforcement in this case and I'm I'm not seeing anybody
or reviewing anything where people were are doing voice comparisons between Richard Allen and the recorded audio the
lawyer that I was able to talk to was stating that as well is this could be something that they could bring in an
expert to say look it matches again this is not an exact science but to have expert come in and say we believe that
Richard Allen's voice is the voice that you hear on the recording I also think too we have video evidence which you can
then turn into still frames I would assume with pretty lowlevel technology you can do some measurements of the
bridge measurements of the planks and get a better idea of how tall this individual is because Richard Allen is
very short and I think if they did that those tests and they were able to determine that bridge guy was over 6
foot tall which I don't think he was but let's just say that they could determine
that then obviously that would rule out Richard Allen so that's something also that they could be doing this is what
the lawyer told me this is another uh little bit of technology that they could be doing to strengthen their
case but again they don't have to put that in the PCA yes and at one time they did give us
a vague opinion on the height of bridg Guy and while Richard Allen is on the shorter side he does fit in the range
that they were suggesting to the public as what they believe the height could be
of of the individual seen on the bridge that day the document on page two goes on to say the victim one and victim 2's
deaths were ruled a homicide clothes were found in Deer Creek belonging to the victims south of where their bodies
were located there was also a 40 caliber unspent round less than 2 feet away from
victim 2's body found between victim 1 and victim 2's bodies the round was unspent and had extraction marks on it
I'll jump ahead here to page three captain and it says blank advised when she was leaving she noted a vehicle was
parked in an odd manner at the old child protective services building she said it
was not odd for vehic to be parked there but she noticed it was odd because of the manner it was parked backed in near
the building so a lot of people are stating that this would be a one way for an individual to get close to the trails
to the bridge that day not conceal their vehicle so that no one would see it but
back it in so that you could at least conceal your license plate from any passer by yeah and what's also not in
the PCA is there could be other eyewitnesses that saw an individual get into a vehicle they might have the
vehicle of the suspect down to one making model and so even though you have Richard Allen that says I was there that
day we don't know if he lied to law enforcement about which vehicle of his he drove because they own several
Vehicles so that would be pretty damning evidence but again not in the PCA yeah and so in regards to the vehicle what we
have here is we have three different eyewitnesses that give varying descriptions of what
vehicle they believe that they saw there that day now none of them are saying this is the make and model and year and
color of a vehicle that I saw there they're they're giving a quick description right could you tell me a
vehicle that you thought that it looked like and some people could just get the name wrong on on these here but as the
captain points out Richard Allen did own him him and his wife owned more than one
vehicle and that reminds me to Circle back to something we discussed just a minute ago the search warrant or consent
to search his home the other thing it does not have to be Richard Allen that gave consent to search his home it could
have been his wife right it could have been his wife that gave consent uh but we'll Circle back to that here in a
minute again so the vehicles were described as a PT Cruiser another witness described it as a smart car and
I think that the third I'm looking for it here I don't I can't find it right in front of me but I think that the third
witness may have described a small SUV does that sound correct regardless let's skip the third one but a PT Cruiser and
a smart car are the descriptions that I have right in front of me in my notes Here It states here in the document that
investigators discovered Richard Allen owned two vehicles in 2017 at that time he owned a 2016 black
Ford Focus and a 2006 gray Ford 500 investigators observed a vehicle that resembled Allen's 2016 Ford Focus
on the hoer Harve store I can't be pronouncing that right but uh the they have surveillance video from a store and
they have a vehicle that they believe resembles Richard Allen's 2016 Ford Focus seen traveling westbound on
cr300 North or County Road 300 North at 1:27 p.m. on the day that the girls were
killed so what's interesting to me here is I would not in all of my life describe a Ford Focus or a Ford 500 as a
PT Cruiser to me a PT Cruiser is a rather distinct looking vehicle but you know we all have our opinion on these
things I would I could see someone describing a Ford Focus as a smart car you know when smart cars first came out
a lot of them were were on the smaller side and a Ford Focus is certainly a smaller more compact vehicle then the
document goes on to State a bunch of the different eyewitnesses of having seen people going coming and going from the
area around the time of the murders we have as the captain points out Richard Allen who's saying yes I was there that
day in fact he says that he believes that he was there on the trails from about 1:30 to 3:30 that day I don't know
that we need to get into the rumors of how he got picked up what do you think Captain because
there were about three or four different rumors coming out on how they went from
this guy as a potential eyewitness he was just somebody that happened to be there on the trail that day to okay this
is now our murder sus well it could be as simply as them going back and reorganizing the information that they
had from 2017 there's been all these statements made that the FBI made a clerical error
and that's why they never reinvestigated Richard but I think it like we said I think it goes back to a lot of too many
cooks in the kitchen well and the thing here you know the the first rumor was that his arrest was directly related to
the dive search that Kagan Klein may have provided information to law enforcement and then
they had the dive search and whatever was found or information learned during the course of that search is what put
them hot on the trail of Richard Allen that was a rumor the other rumor was that he had some kind of conflict
altercation with a neighbor that led to an arrest and him being forced to submit
DNA and that DNA came back with a hit in the murders I'm I lean to what you just said
Captain it looks to me like there's a very good chance that this is just putting fresh eyes new eyes maybe even
better eyes if you will on the information that was collected back in 2017 and reviewing that information and
then somebody putting a red flag on this and going wait a second there could be something here and let's not forget it's
spelled out in this PCA a little bit right we have this guy who says I was there yes I was there and what's
completely bizarre to me is in his statements he's saying Not only was I there but I also dressed like Bridge guy
and we've we've made the argument a hundred times on this show that in Indiana even here in Ohio there's a lot
of men in in their 30s and 40s that wear clothing very similar to this this is not uncommon very distinctive clothing
this is very common clothing but we have Richard Allen saying yes I was there from 1:30 to 3:30 and two let's double
down on the idea that I was wearing clothing that day that looked like Bridge guy I might have even some of
your witness statements of having seen potential Bridge guy might have been people just seeing me but what is what
stands out and why I think that it's simply somebody going back with new fresh better eyes and an inquisitive
mind leading them to Richard Allen is that if all these eyewitness statements are true
and it was Richard Allen that they spotted there that day at 130ish up to 2:00 and then again around
3:30ish when he says that he's he believes that he left the day for the day somebody's going okay well he says
he was there great maybe he's an honest dude he was there and he has nothing to hide and he's just trying to help us
great okay we got eyewitnesses that if if the person they saw was rich Allen then they're backing up his statements
he likely arrived around 1:30 and likely left around 3:30 but it's the inquisitive mind that goes okay well why
are there no eyewitnesses of Richard Allen during during the middle of that time after 2:13 p.m. and that's when
somebody says oh well that's because he may have been in the woods with the girls killing them at the time that
nobody seen him I'm normally not the smartest guy in the room heck I'm not even the second smartest guy in this
room but if I'm law enforcement every eyewitness is a person of interest until I can prove otherwise and maybe that
would be the reason that they went back and was looking into eyewitnesses and looking at them through the lens of
being a person of interest that led to him but but I but I also think that something had to happen because because
this moved very quickly and I also don't think hold hold that thought I do think
there's more evidence I don't know if they have a mountain of evidence against him yet but that doesn't mean that they
won't by the time the trial is set and the document goes on to State a narrative that was created by
Richard M Allen in 2017 this is from when he was interviewed in 20 17 and some of the highlights of that
narrative we've already covered but I want to hit on a few things before we move past this he's saying that he he
parked his vehicle near some he says the Farm Bureau building and now police are
saying well we think that either he doesn't know the names of the buildings or he purposely gave us an
incorrect title uh for the bill building to to throw us off the trail now they're
saying you know he he very likely was the person that parked at the old at the old uh CPS building and that he you know
is describing the building as a Farm Bureau building well think about this let's say we have a list we're law
enforcement we have a list of eyewitnesses now we start getting surveillance from different businesses
in the area and maybe that maybe it's as simple as he says was driving this vehicle when we know he was driving this
other vehicle maybe it's he says that I parked at this building and now we know for a fact that he parked at this other
building once law enforcement sees that an eyewitness lied you have to make them a person of
interest and that could be as simple as it is go back through his statements and
now with this evidence we can prove that this one statement is a lie and that could be enough to go okay
my sniffer test is going off here we need to reexamine Richard Allen yes and I believe I may have said
February 14th earlier I probably should have said February 13th instead but going on here some more information
blank advised that the male subject was wearing a blue colored jacket and blue jeans and was muddy and bloody she
further stated that it appeared that he had gotten into a fight okay so this is one of the witnesses that likely saw
Bridge guy leaving the area that day and we have a couple of different eyewitnesses that may have seen Bridge
guy leaving the area that day they all give a little bit of a varying description of who or what they saw but
this one's really interesting because this one States a blue colored jacket blue jeans the person I saw was muddy
and bloody yeah and had appeared to have gotten into a fight so then we fast forward in the document to October 13th
2022 Richard Allen was interviewed Again by investigators and it also states that
Richard Allen's wife Kathy Allen also spoke to investigators and she confirmed during that discussion that Richard did
have guns and knives at the residence and she also stated that Richard still owns a blue car heart jacket so now when
you file and this is why I believe that there was probably a search warrant and I would interested to review that
document if it ever comes out to the public because the very next line in the PCA States on October 13 2022
investigators executed a search warrant of Richard Allen's residence and then it
gives his address among other items officers located jackets boots knives and Firearms including the Sig Sawyer
model P226 40 caliber pistol that is believed to have extracted the live round that was found
between the two victims bodies so what we have here Captain is if there was in fact a search warrant as this PCA
indicates that there was now we have a situation where you have law enforcement going before a judge and they're not
asking for an arrest of Richard Allen at that time that arrest would follow but what they're asking for is we need to
search this guy's property and here's what we're looking for and you you know that that document probably States we're
looking for this blue jacket who his wife says still exist and we're looking for the gun that extracted that bullet
that we found between the victims here we are they likely found both of those items at his home we know that they
found the gun because the gun with the ballistics test the tool markings test is what I believe believe 100% sealed
the arrest of Richard Allen I agree I don't think we'll have enough time today to dive into this but Richard Allen's
attorneys did make statements on the PCA and one of the things that they were trying to say to point to his innocence
is well he he hasn't changed his job he hasn't changed his where he lives he he he didn't even get rid of these weapons
he didn't he didn't uh throw away these clothes that that's not an argument on whether somebody's innocent or
guilty that's just a fact that he just didn't do those things and there's plenty of killers that don't throw away
the clothes they were wearing when they committed a murder or throw away the weapon that he used when they committed
a murder so to me that was such a nothing Burger where it's like okay well congratulations that's not an argument
right exactly the the statement that he didn't get rid of any of these things does
not does not exclude him from being the killer right criminals as you pointed out make mistakes criminals do dumb
things and thank I'm thankful that they do dumb things and this may just be a big example of Richard Allen being
a dumbass and he didn't get rid of very incriminating evidence for whatever reason could be that that guns guns are
expensive maybe he's like they're not they're never going to catch me they I've spoke to police five years
ago they don't know they're you know their ass from a hole in the ground uh they don't know what's going on I have
no reason to worry about losing these items or wanting to get rid of these items because they're expensive and I
don't want to have to replace them or you know we talk about Killers keeping souvenirs it's not very hard to believe
that maybe his murder weapon or a weapon that was used during the commission of these crimes is some type of souvenir
prided souvenir of his well on top of that why would you get rid of a gun if you didn't know a bullet came out of
that gun at the crime scene and because law enforcement Never released that just
think if law enforcement would have released that early on well we found a bullet that wasn't shot at the crime
scene then if Richard Allen is the killer then he would obv obviously want to go well I
need to get rid of that gun now yeah so that's that's interesting and I'm glad that you explored it in that manner
because there's a couple things here one the portion of the video where the one of the girls says gun is never released
to the public he very likely did not know when the recording started he was not it doesn't the way that it's
described makes it sound like he's not directly in front of the girls when one of them says gun maybe he never heard
one of them say that he doesn't know when the recording started he may not know if if the gun was
racked and that bullet comes out during some kind of fight with the with the two
girls and he's losing control of his two victims that he's coralled with this gun
one he may not know that that bullet was was there so he does not know that he made
that mistake the other thing though too is let's say he racked the gun because if he's losing control of these girls
one thing that will that will quickly straighten out people and get people's attention very
quickly is cocking that gun and making that sound right that gets everyone's attention we we discussed this when we
talked about the audio and why there were difficulties with the audio there were a lot of leaves on the
ground that day it's February in Indiana there's a decent chance that even if he
knows that he left the bullet there he may have spent some time looking for it and could not find it but regardless
you're you're spot on I think that if police would have come out right away and said that there was a gun used in
some form or fashion you know maybe maybe he's looking at this and going okay yeah I brought a gun to the scene
with me but that's not what I use to kill the girls and maybe he has no idea that police had evidence that there was
a gun at the scene that day correct so he doesn't know any better to get rid of it what is interesting too
when we talk about the gun and the bullet is that this is this is going to be a problem for Richard Allen once this
thing finally gets to trial a big problem he's going to have is that he is on record telling law enforcement and
this is what's stated in the PCA Richard Allen stated he had not been on that property where the unspent round was
found that he did not know the property owner and he had no explanation as to why a round cycled through his firearm
would be at that location furthermore he stated that he never allowed anyone to use or borrow his gun so that's going to
be a big problem for him because if they can if their experts can convince a jury that that
unspent live round came from Richard Allen's Gun that They confiscated from his home he's now telling you I've never
lent this gun to anyone ever at any time and then he's also saying yeah I went to
the trails often he said he was would regularly go to the trails oh but I've never been on that piece of land so he
he can't later say well his defense cannot say based off of this information and off of Richard
Allen's own words that let us paint a picture of Richard Allen having having been at the
trails many times before we told you when we talked about Richard Allen's arrest on
hollowen that we were aware of a weapons permit that he obtained in June of 2009
that was very likely a concealed carry permit and so if he's out at these Trails often
it's not highly unlikely to believe that he might have been packing while he's going to the trails regularly but now he
can't use the defense of oh I was there previously and that I must have dropped that bullet or that bullet came out of
my gun at a date prior to when the girls were murdered now what we have is a guy
that's admitted to being at the crime scene that day during the time that it's believed that they were killed having
gone there often but a bullet that came from his gun is found directly between the two murder
victims on a piece of land he says he's never been on two feet away two feet away from one of the victims well let's
take a little bit of time to go through Richard Allen's defense team's rebuttal of the PCA yeah the first thing that in
their rebuttal is their interviews that they're giving after the hearing and he's got two very good attorneys
from my understanding that's what I've been told that that people that know of their work and their career are saying
that these are two very good very capable attorneys both of them were from my recollection on record giving on
camera interviews stating that they saw nothing in this PCA that conclusively points to their client as being guilty
their they on record is saying that they believe their client is innocent and he
believes he is innocent and he's told them that much they've also said that there was nothing in this PCA that
indicated to them that somebody else could be involved in this crime I thought that was a little o i a couple
things here I thought the whole other person being involved was odd from both sides of the argument one from the
prosecution to me it seems to like lessen your case a little bit against Richard Allen to publicly state that and
maybe they're just saying it like using that as additional ammunition for not having the PCA released which but at the
same time the the prosecutor showed up to the hearing telling the judge yeah I brought a redacted version of the PCA
with me today that if you were to release it we would ask that you release this redacted version instead of the
full document which again there's eyewitnesses names stated clearly in and throughout that document and those
people need to be protected for many many reasons not not that that we're just going to have a court case coming
up but I also thought it odd on the defense to say yeah we don't know what the prosecution's talking about somebody
else being involved I think regardless of who you're representing I think you want to keep that door open now if you
want to go hard and fast about and and say look we don't know what they're talking about it doesn't really matter
because our client is innocent so we don't we don't know if this was committed by one or two or more people
had some kind of involvement it really doesn't matter because our client is innocent that's one thing but just to
say that to to not leave the door open a little bit seemed a little weird to me but what we do have here go ahead well
you have to follow that up with his final statement at that Courthouse that day was he basically was also stating
hey look I've just been on this case for 7 days I don't know much about this case
so other people involved I don't know exactly what they're talking about because he's basically telling you I
haven't had time to dive into this and he I think he even made the statement uh of something that people in the media
and and podcasters and armchair detectives probably know more about the case than he did at that time last week
they released they being his Richard Allen's attorneys released a a statement a press release statement stating that
they do not want to try this case in the media and they intend to adhere to the Indiana rules of professional conduct
that provide guidance to on pre-trial publicity and they do point out look the the police and Prosecutors office have
conducted many press conferences over the five plus years of this investigation and even additional press conferences
following the arrest of their client so I think it's fair for them to have their
give their two cents on everything and they pretty much release a three-page document to the media that states in
bullet point form here's some reasons why and here's some reasons that point toward Richard or Rick as they refer to
him throughout this doc doent as being innocent and one we we should point out he's never been arrested or accused of
any crime in his entire life let alone a crime of this magnitude up up until this
point obviously he does state that he spoke with police on several occasions after the
murders uh that he volunteered information that he came forward again that's not terribly uncommon in fact we
said on True Crime garage that this whole hey we want to know the owner or the driver of the vehicle parked at the
CPS building we said years ago that might just be a ploy that just might be some kind of con job to get someone to
come forward to explain away why their vehicle would have been seen there that day we've seen and reviewed many cases
in the past where there's a fictitious vehicle that's made up by police to try to get the per to come forward and now
we got a whole another name on our list of people that admit to being in that general area that day on the murders
Well turns out that might have been Rick Allen's vehicle and then him coming forward to police and saying that he was
there that day again does not make him it doesn't Point towards innocence in my opinion it it points to Simply exactly
what he's saying he was there that day that's not a disputable fact it's it's something that is fact he was there that
day puts him on on the suspect list in my opinion and a lot of times these guys will come forward and they'll say yes I
was there that day because they know that they were likely seen by somebody else and they're trying to get ahead of
it they're trying to get ahead of it so you don't have to ask me well why were you there that day and you said you
weren't there that day to me any time that you put yourself at the crime scene which that whole crime scene is the park
and so by him coming forward that doesn't point to any innocence at all that points to the
probability that points to the possibility that he could be the killer again I agree with you you then take
that person and they're not an eyewitness you put them on a person of interest list well and then they're
trying to call this bullet they're they're calling it a single Magic Bullet so they're trying to
discredit the bullet information and again yes is it exact science it sounds like there's an argument that it's not
exact science but to call it a Magic Bullet is really an attempt to publicly discredit the information that led to
your client's arrest and I don't have a problem with them making a statement because the PCA was then was the PCA was
released to the public but then a judge issued a gag order on the attorneys and so I think the sad thing for me in this
case is when they made an arrest I started thinking well this is um the beginning of the end but
the more I've talked to experts law lawyers um defense attorneys other individuals uh
detectives and law enforcement this is the beginning of the beginning yeah and I think you and everybody are correct in
that and we can see that in the information that that we know about this case we know there's going to be a bond
hearing I believe that's scheduled for February of next year so that is in the foreseeable future but there also would
would be a probable cause hearing at some point there's going to be a preliminary hearing at some point all of
those three things could take place all at the same time the other thing though is we know
that the defense has requested a change of venue and in fact they are stating that they would like for the venue to be
150 miles away from Deli car County area but we know that the trial needs to stay in the state of
Indiana and so that makes it a little difficult there's not a whole lot of places that they could end up having
this trial if they were to get their request granted that it's at least 150 miles away from Deli because he can't
get a fair trial in Carroll County that doesn't have to be granted that's something that a judge will take under
consideration into consider a and make a determination on at a later date there's
there's a chance that we don't see Richard Allen actually in an actual trial until August I would say maybe
August of next year would be the earliest that I would anticipate a trial this thing could also be
2024 before he's in an actual TW trial it might be up to 18 months is is some of the uh thoughts that I've had on this
ever since his arrest that we could we could be waiting 18 months to get this and I'm glad that you brought up the gag
order for several reasons it's just an that that's what this case is going to be that's what it was from day one and
that's appears that it's going to be that going forward and you know Doug Carter said you want to know addressing
Bridge guy addressing the killer you want to know what we know well one day you will but that also pertains to the
public and to some members of the media as well and that one day you will might not be until day four five 6 10 of an
actual trial that could be anywhere from eight months to 18 months away the gag order this is this is one thing it's a
side note here Captain but it's one thing that's always kind of cracked me up that you know we have this this
justice system well and the listeners know how much you like to laugh well and they call it a gag order it's like you
could have come up with any other term then gag order sounds to me like we got some heaving someone heaving in the
corner over there right it like an order of Silence would be probably more appropriate than gag orders
like so one thing that I do want to thank all of our listeners we I've received a mountain of
emails Thanking us for our continued coverage on the deli case we first covered this case in May of
2017 in episodes 110 and 111 we were one of the first podcast to cover it that's
back when there was very little information and we had two episodes full of speculation full of rumors and we
went on to cover it many times since then you know that we have now done previous to today Captain we've done 17
we've dedicated 17 episodes of about 17 hours of coverage plus today devoted to this case and back in May of
2017 when we first covered it we said that we were going to see this thing through to the end and now here we
sit 2000 over 2,000 and roughly 20 days later and now we have a very big and very bright light at the end of the time
now we don't know we still don't know where the end of the tunnel is how long it's going to take us to get there but
we for for the very first time in five and a half years starting in mid October it looks like there's a very big and
bright light at the end of the tunnel and I'm excited to see what comes of this going forward and I said we covered
it 17 times on True Crime garage we've also discussed this case countless times on our other show off the Record which
is available on Stitcher premium if anybody wants to go and listen to to those shows and then if you will allow me to
do this Captain I'm going to break one of my own rules one of the garage rules that we have we have a very short list
of rules here in the garage and this one was implemented by me but I'm going to go ahead and break one of my own rules
one of our agreed upon garage rules and when we first started this flying ship we said that one thing that we that we
were going to steer away from steer clear of was to get in a habit of Defending ourselves we have put
ourselves into a position where we throw out speculation where we examine a case
we bring it into the garage we take it apart we put it back together see if if everything works and then we give our
opinions on these cases sometimes we're right sometimes we're wrong sometimes the case remains unsolved and we just
don't know what is right and what is wrong until the cases are solved but I'm going to break my own rule here and
defend ourselves here for a moment because with all the gratitude that came from the listeners of we thank you for
your continued coverage there also came a little bit of push back and some of that push back was well guys don't you
think you owe somebody an apology now and here's the thing I want to be clear in this in this statement first of all I
will be giving zero apologies in this case for a mountain of reasons but one of them will
be when all these suspects and I I'm using air quotes here all these people that were pushed forward by the media
and by locals of this person was arrested for this serious infraction or this crime or this murder or attempted
murder or molestation he looks just like Bridge guy sounds just like bridge bridge guy if it walks like a duck and
it quacks like a duck then it then it definitely is a duck Us in the garage we're telling everyone hold on let's
pump the braks a little bit here on this let's not string this guy up just yet let's pump the brakes a little bit here
in one of our coverages we discussed an individual that we called we labeled this individual as DP DP was a person
that has told police that he was at the trails that day on the day that the girls were killed and then later his
story changed we at no time and I know I can say 100% as fact Yours Truly at no time said
that DP is a suspect in this case what we pointed out was that an individual that
puts themselves at a crime scene be it Deli be it John Benet Ramsey be it Lan Bryant shootings any case that you can
think of out there unsolved case that you can think of any person that puts themselves at a crime scene on the day
of the crime should be considered a suspect and should be looked at as a person of interest until you can clear
them of such now what we thought was a misstep in the investigation or appeared to be a possible misstep was that when
this individual changed their story we from everything we could see it looked like they were still being considered a
witness a potential witness instead of a potential Person of Interest and it was
of our opinion to move that individual back to the person of interest list rather than just an eyewitness no
apology will be made because every part of our opinion was is true and it holds true to this day and it holds true to
every case going forward that we we review we will still hold that opinion on other cases but keep in mind what
happened here in Deli Rick Allen told police that he was there that day he was at the trails on
the day that the girls were killed and then later they they they swallowed that pill early
on but later at some point something changed in the investigation that led them back to Richard
Allen and he switched from being a potential eyewitness to a potential Person of
Interest so strong that it led to his arrest and just to double down on that like we said if we were lawn enforcement
we would take every eyewitness and instead of looking at them as eyewitness we' look at them as a person of interest
until we could prove otherwise and if they would have done that in 2017 they would have made a arrest in
2017 in the deli case we want to thank all of our listeners for sticking with us and listening to all of these
episodes that we have devoted to this case if you want to go back and listen to those prior episodes I'll include
those in Today's Show notes so you can review them there and decide if you want to go back and listen to them again or
listen to them for the first time we also want to give a big Kudos a big attab boy to Doug Carter and his team at
the Indiana State Police the sheriff's department in Carrol County uh the deli police everybody that had their hands
involved in getting an arrest finally in this case this as the captain pointed out is either the beginning of the end
or maybe just the beginning of the beginning but regardless it's a step in the right direction we've been hoping
and praying and at times even crying for justice for these two poor little girls
that were victimized by some kind of monster there that day on the trails and it looks like finally we might be
getting to a good place here in Seeking Justice and getting Justice for Libby and Abby and we just want to commend
everyone for any involvement at all whether it just being a listener whether it just being somebody that told
somebody else about the case kept the case alive in the media and all the way up to the law
enforcement officers the the good women and men of Indiana state law enforcement
that kept at it with this case cheers there [Music] everyone [Music] they say police didn't contact Allan
after Abby and Libby disappeared instead Allan voluntarily talked with investigators about being on the trail
that day then Allan didn't hear from police again for more than 5 years until about a month ago they say Allan did not
get rid of his car his guns or his clothing he didn't move and just continued to live his normal life they
attacked the so-called unspent bullet evidence outlined in court documents released this week they criticize
ballistics and its use in court cases calling it anything but a science and they point out prosecutors have
mentioned there may be another person involved in this case but there's no mention of other suspects in the court
documents now before the probable cause affidavit was released the Carroll County prosecutor released a statement
reassuring the public he has a very solid case it went on to say we strongly believe the evidence shows Richard Allen
was involved in the murder of Libby and Abby want to thank everybody for joining
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Delphi Murders /// Probable Cause Affidavit Release /// 633

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On October 28th, 2022 Richard M. Allen of Delphi, Indiana was formally arrested and charged for the murders of Liberty “Libby” German and Abigail “Abby” Williams. Following the arrest, an announcement was made that the Probable Cause Affidavit requesting that Judge Diener sign off on Allen’s arrest would be sealed. Late last month a redacted version of this 8 page document was released to the media and public. Here in the Garage we have kept a close eye on this case and have been asked to give our thoughts on what we are seeing and what we are not seeing in this document. Join us in the Garage as we review all that has come out and been discussed in this case since November 1st.

Previous Delphi case coverage can be found in our catalog with the following episodes:

The Delphi Murders - Episodes #110 & #111 - May, 2017

Delphi Murders Revisited - Episodes #320 & #321

Delphi Murders Off The Record - Episodes #322 & #323 - July, 2019

Delphi Murders Discussion - Episode #395 - May, 2020

Delphi Murders / 4 Years Later - Episodes #468 & #469 - March, 2021

Delphi Murders / A New Suspect - Episodes #486 & #487 - May, 2021

Delphi Murders / Under the Bridge - Episodes #509, #510, & #511 - August, 2021

Delphi Murders / Off the Record - Episodes #542 & #543 - December, 2021

Delphi Murders Update - Episode #625 - October 31, 2022

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Brief Summary

Richard M. Allen's arrest in the Delphi murder case raises questions about evidence and potential other suspects.

Key points

Sealed Probable Cause Affidavit. The probable cause affidavit was sealed, raising questions about the investigation's transparency.
DNA Collection Laws. Discussion on DNA collection laws in Indiana and their implications for the investigation.
Evidence from the Crime Scene. A bullet found at the crime scene matched a gun owned by Richard Allen, raising critical evidence questions.
40 Caliber Gun Popularity. Discussion on the popularity of the 40 caliber gun among law enforcement and the public.
The Impact on Richard Allen's Family. Discussion on the emotional toll on Richard Allen's family amid the investigation.
Absence of DNA Evidence. Commentary on the lack of DNA evidence in the probable cause affidavit.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

There is reason to believe that there are other actors involved.

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Tension

65/ 100Some tension

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