Cathy Nameth /// Part 1 /// 527 | Forensic Files

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involves one of the more terrifying murder scenes that we have covered the female victim makes a distress call
from a remote isolated wooded area where she is alone her husband is on the other end
when the call is abruptly cut off the husband knows something terrible has happened
he rushes to find her but it is too late by the time he gets to her she is in her death throws
and the scene was bloody and chaotic someone had it in for this woman this was not a random crime
but who knew where she would be that day in the wisconsin woods and who would target this middle-aged
wife and mother she was an upstanding public servant with no known enemies this is true crime garage
and this is the case of kathy namath [Music] [Music] it was october 12 2002 in rural lang
laid county wisconsin we have 43 year old kathy namath who lived in elcho a tiny idyllic town of about 1200 or so
residents in the northern part of wisconsin this is a saturday now on this saturday
evening around 7 pm kathy got into her car and drove to loon lake which is located about 25 miles north of
antigo the county seat and it's about a 13 minute drive from downtown elcho loon
lake is in a very remote and unsettled area that is mostly used by hunters campers and summer cabin dwellers that's
where kathy was headed she is going there because her parents have a cabin on the lake but she's not going there to
meet her parents because kathy's parents had left the area for florida earlier that day they intended to stay in
florida for several months of course to avoid the upcoming wisconsin winter they had closed up their cabin for the
season so around 7pm kathy decided to head out to the lake house to clear out her parents freezer which had a big
supply of frozen meat inside now unfortunately something terrible happened when she went up to her parents
cabin she was murdered up there and because she went there alone we are not left with a whole lot of definitive
information about how it all went down but we can take an old look and see approach here captain so this whole
scene seems to me to be like right out of friday the 13th or some other horror movie featuring an isolated wooded cabin
in the forest the rustic cabin was located on loon lake lane which winds its way through the dense woods around
the lake turning into a dirt road houses there from my understanding appear to be
very far or somewhat far apart and separated by large thickly wooded areas so no neighbors are right next door to
one another it was a rainy evening and kathy drove up to the lake house by herself and parked her car outside of
the cabin it was after 7 pm so in october you know anybody can check their phone that lives
in the midwest it would be dark or nearly dark at this time looking at my phone right now
captain it's october 12th 19 years later and we're set for a sunset at 6 58 pm right so it would be dark or nearly dark
by the time she arrives according to later reports kathy did not make it inside the cabin
the next thing that we know that happened was a radio transmission from her handheld emt radio okay so she goes
and makes this trip by herself we know she arrives at the cabin she parks outside for whatever reason we have
investigators later telling us that we do not believe that she ever made it into the cabin and before she can get
into the cabin she's going to use her emt radio to make a call now kathy was a well-respected senior emt in el show and
was also employed on the ambulance squad in town as well as the fire department she's quite busy with these two
different jobs now because of her position she had a radio at her disposal and it sounds to me like she's carrying
this thing most places if not everywhere that she goes on this day she's going to use it to call for help
for herself or we can surmise that right here is the very brief transmission that went out from
kathy's radio and it says this is 96 so that's her radio id number there's a man with a raincoat and he's
scruffy looking and dot dot dot the transmission abruptly cut off so one more time captain that is this is
96 there's a man with a raincoat and he's scruffy looking and the transmission cuts off all right a
couple of things just to get one out of the way hello wisconsin if you look up loon lake and wisconsin
it seems like there's multiple loon lakes we're talking about the one that is 44 acres
it has a maximum depth of 13 feet according to articles about the case kathy's abbreviated radio transmission
went out to multiple authorities this is one of those instances that someone radios to a specific channel that is
monitored by others in the same department or division so her transmission was apparently heard by
several people now one of these people captain will be kathy's husband david namath
david namath was the fire chief in el cho so of course he had his radio on him as well
and he heard his wife's message of seeing a scruffy man and then it cuts off and then several articles we found
said that the transmission ended when the signal was lost so it's totally unclear to me whether
this means that kathy was attacked at that moment or something caused her to drop her
radio right or whether for some reason the signal failed halfway through whatever
she was trying to communicate to everyone else and the transmission dropped either way
this spells disaster for kathy remember she's alone out in this area now there may be other
people at some of these cabins but if any of them are following her parents lead they're packing up and leaving for
the winter at some point may have already done so regardless of who else is up there
who owns these cabins there's a good deal of distance from cabin to cabin right and so again she
might as well be all by herself according to sheriff stagger kathy's tone of voice showed she was in
danger david tried to radio back to his wife asking what was going on and there's no
response on kathy's end david accompanied by his son and kathy's son nick they jumped in the vehicle and drove to
this cabin one of the things i think law enforcement is gonna have to deal with in this case is that some of these
cabins probably are rental cabins or there's probably campgrounds close by where
somebody could just camp out for the night when they arrive on the scene they see kathy lying on the ground and
there's blood all over her she had been stabbed multiple times but she was still
alive when they get there now david radioed for assistance telling the dispatcher
that kathy had at least five stab wounds that he could see including one to her neck saying that she is breathing
semi-conscious he told the dispatcher he said that he needed an ambulance right away now it's hard to imagine david and
his son's anxiety and panic as they awaited the ambulance which had to come from at minimum
13 minutes away if it was stationed in the closest town of elcho wsa news 7 reported some important
information on the case the station reported that david along with their son nick found kathy
barely alive just moments after the attack david said he asked kathy who the attacker was
and she said she did not know him shortly after this she died the article went on to say while calling for help
kathy described her attacker as being average height with a bushy beard wearing a raincoat we know this isn't
entirely accurate as kathy's radio transmission did not contain all of that information but perhaps the part about
the average height and the beard were descriptors that she was able to give to her husband it's a little unclear where
this information and how this information came from kathy to whomever right right after she's attacked but
several years later we have wsaw that reported that kathy was never asked about who had harmed her as she was near
death when she was found so we really don't know what's true here from this statement we have the same
news agency reporting two different things at different times in regards to the same situation right it seems like
the only info we can really rely on as factual is what was in her original transmission
or at least that's what i'm choosing to look at is what is factual in this case right with the transmission the radio
transmission we have multiple ear witnesses correct and again that the guy whoever this guy was
was scruffy and wearing a raincoat so the average height thing again was that something she told to her
husband and he later relays it to others what it sounds like from this additional
report the later report from wsaw is that doesn't it kind of imply that she does not tell that to the ambulance
personnel or to emt well like you said when the husband comes upon her if that part of the story is true
hey who did this i don't know but then the description happens and then everybody else gets there and and then
at some point she wouldn't be talking at that point yeah right able to communicate anything about the attack or
her attacker at that time and i think that that's what we have to go with here captain because what we do know is that
once the ambulance arrived the emt that was the first responder on the scene tells the dispatcher at that time that
the victim was still conscious but barely so again i think you're spot on there with
if she told anybody anything it would have been her husband who we know arrived at least 13 minutes before
an ambulance could be on the scene kathy made it to marshfield hospital after being airlifted to the hospital
but died soon thereafter the lang laid sheriff's office led by sheriff dave steger
along with the antigo police began a joint homicide investigation so obviously with the stab wounds and the
radio transmission we know from jump street this is absolutely a homicide and we have two agencies looking into this
case and investigating what went down there near the cabin at loon lake can we just take a second again to go over that
description i know the description is in question whether he she told that to her
husband or not but can you just go over that real quick one more time okay so the radio transmission was this is 96
there's a man with a raincoat and he's scruffy looking and and then it cuts off and then what that first news article
states is that david says he asked kathy who the attacker was and she said she did not
know him right shortly after she died the article went on to say while calling for help kathy described
her attacker as being average height with a bushy beard wearing a raincoat again i hate to keep kind of spinning
our tires on this thing here but the way that the wording is in the the report just does not seem to be
anything of accuracy at all because it states while calling for help this is what she said when we when we know in
fact the radio transmission heard by multiple ear witnesses none of them say that she said
he's of average height right and it seems like something bizarre to say in that situation right if you're radioing
to begin with that you're you're afraid or something wrong is happening does anybody go out
of their way to say he's of average height yeah i think it's vernacular that she would use in her job so that's why
it's believable to me that she said it to somebody but also with eyewitnesses or ear witnesses people get things wrong
so maybe three people heard it different and one of the three people or whoever heard her initial
uh communication maybe one person heard that she actually said average height i could see that too i mean we have
training that goes into these jobs these very important jobs and these are people
that are thrown into situations that can be stressful chaotic maybe she just the training kicked in
as you said and just goes right into terminology and things that she would describe the best that she can given the
situation right now a little bit about kathy namath before we move too far into this investigation kathy was really
a normal hard-working woman she was 43 years old at the time of her murder she was a wife and a mother she lived with
her husband and son nick in elcho and was very involved with her job as a medical worker and emt
after her death her co-worker jerry dobbs told wsaw7 news quote she loved her family she loved her
children and her husband she was one of the most caring people i knew end quote her husband david told the station that
her parents cabin was her favorite place on earth it was unthinkable that that was where she had been attacked and
brutally slain says that we just couldn't believe it disbelief there were several people that
were on the scene that day that had to go through a stress debriefing afterward because of the trauma and seeing what
they experienced now on to the investigation and we have a quick statement from the langlade county
district attorney who said this is early on in the investigation captain says we're not ruling anything
out at this point i don't know that there's anything that suggests that the public
has to be terrified of a random attack but at the same time it's certainly a good idea to be on the alert
this ambiguous statement wasn't particularly helpful as members of the public were frightened
and of course they should be right kathy namath was attacked and murdered in an isolated but commonly visited and very
safe recreational spot and no one seemed to have any idea by whom or even why she was killed
concerns about a deranged murderer lurking in the woods this is on people's minds
and they're terrified right if you haven't already packed up your cabin and left for the winter
now's a great time to get out of dodge well a lot of these lake communities there's not even much crime at all let
alone a murder taking place correct and the weird radio transmission there's a man here he's scruffy looking wearing a
raincoat now kathy was tough and she did not go down without a fight we couldn't get a copy of the autopsy
report but sheriff stagger himself is on record commenting in regards to defensive wounds on her body
saying it looked like the victim put up a fight there could be some scratches and bruises on the perpetrator this is
what he told the media according to reports the autopsy concluded that no surprise kathy had died from multiple
stab wounds but it got even stranger and this next portion of the story was not reported
until well after the homicide which is bizarro to me but according to wsaw 7 news
evidence at the scene shows kathy was chased through the property and she used whatever she could to fight off her
killer but in the end multiple stab wounds were fatal [Music] [Music] [Music] hello wisconsin
cheers everybody cheers to you captain cheers to all the people in the back and the people in the back will be they will
want to hear about this so i guess there is a amy maholovic walk that is coming up wednesday october 27th
and that will be on the unfortunate anniversary of the day that she was abducted from my understanding captain
this starts at 5 p.m at the bay village middle school now we know that she went from the middle school down to the
shopping plaza and left with her eventual killer from that shopping plaza the walk will be a
short one it will be from the middle school and then to the plaza and then back where they will be placing a
newly engraved stone at a memorial site so if anyone in the bay village area or surrounding areas please go out show
your support for the maholovic family for amy and for the community in general and join the walk for amy if you want to
double check on any of the details that i just tried to pass along here or want more information you can find that at
walk4amy.org so what actually happened at the cabin it looks like police really are not
quite sure what happened at the cabin that day they stated that all motives were on the table
but they seemed to have at least partially ruled out a burglary as investigators did not believe that the
cabin was burglarized it appears that kathy never even made it as far as getting into the cabin itself
so to me captain when i see that information it makes me wonder if you're saying hey we don't think that burglary
was the motive here and we don't think that kathy made it into the cabin there must be something indicating that
neither the killer or kathy made it into the cabin and this could be was it was the cabin
still locked was it found locked or was nothing disturbed or broken or out of place
it could be any of these factors but what is also unclear is why authorities drew the conclusion
that they overtly stated they did not believe that the attack was random that kathy was a target
again bits of information coming out statements from the police but no real evidence or nothing to tell us how they
came to these conclusions and nothing backing up those conclusions themselves now one article we were able to dig up
contains some facts that might explain why investigators believe that kathy was specifically singled out for this
violent murderous attack keep in mind we're talking about multiple stab wounds here people this is an up close and
personal attack on kathy namath here's a piece from wsa w news 7 that ran october 15 2002 so
just three days after the homicide it says investigators say a killer waited in the cold and the dark
outside an empty cabin to murder kathy namath namath was attacked and stabbed outside her parents empty cabin around
7pm on that saturday the cabin was closed for the season and namath wasn't expected
that line has always confused me i've returned to that line from this news article
many times and cannot figure out exactly what that is supposed to mean i'll repeat that line and continue on it says
the cabin was closed for the season and nameth kathy wasn't expected yeah hold on a second so we have
isn't that confusing we have law enforcement saying that we think she was targeted but if she wasn't expected to
be at the cabin how would that person target her exactly unless they were following her there but at the same time
says a killer waited in the cold in the dark outside the empty cabin right meaning
that they didn't follow her there that they were there all along do you feel like this is kind of taking
like some kind of it could just be bad reporting though right it could be bad reporting and it could be like throwing
in some creativity like rather than just giving us the facts that there's some kind of storytelling
angle to the story which i know that's what we do here in the garage but frankly i hate it when other
people do it let us tell the stories i appreciate it when people stick to the facts man that's right okay
so the article goes on to say that leads investigators to believe the killer wasn't someone who followed nameth in
from town but rather someone who knew she was going out to the cabin that night it's such a contradictory
statement right someone that knew she was going out to the cabin that night but nameth wasn't
expected again it could just be bad reporting or bad wording as far as that goes this all begs the
question whether someone had in fact drove to the cabin and waited for kathy's arrival if so
did the killer park his vehicle somewhere hidden had he left tire tracks that police were
able to find why were they so sure someone was waiting there for her and who knew
that she was heading up to the cabin that evening right it doesn't seem to me like you're
going to have a whole long list of people that would have known that she was going
to the cabin now maybe when they say kathy namath wasn't expected means this isn't something that she planned
out the day before or a week in advance or anything like that anything prior maybe it was more of
oh mom and dad called me said they've left the cabin or were leaving the cabin i don't have anything to do this evening
or i have some free time this evening tonight would be a convenient time for me to go but again it goes back to if
you are thinking that she's targeted and you said that statement to the public i can't believe that that list of people
that would have known that she would be going to the cabin would be very long at
all so it could only have been someone she told of her plans again based off of the police theory
because it does not sound from this report as though someone followed her rather someone anticipated her arrival
and as we said it was someone she did not know that's her words she did not know her attacker or did not recognize
them based off of the excerpt from her radio transmission if she knew that it was
john or charlie or bill or bob wouldn't she say on the radio hey bill's up here right charlie's up here no she says
there's a man up here wearing a raincoat and he's scruffy-looking but maybe what
they mean by all this is that a killer was in the area 44 acre lake that's not that big of a
lake right and if you look at loon lake lane the road that the cabin was off of right
it's pretty much one way in and one way out unless you're gonna go off-roading it's one way in and one way out
so even though there's people that are staying there or are packing up for the winner
so again she's not expected to be there but this killer is there maybe looking for a victim yeah and that
makes you wonder if could there have been somebody else that has reason to be there like another cabin owner or
somebody that has reason to be there that says you know at 5 or 5 30 i saw a vehicle
that i've never seen in this area before it was a man driving and he was kind of
scruffy looking but that's the best the best of the of my recollection of what i
have and we do know right one fact we do know is when kathy approximately arrives at the cabin so if
we have somebody telling police behind closed doors some kind of statement like this
that has not reached our ear balls yet then we can assume that that's what they're
building this theory off of that we have someone who reported a similar looking individual as vague as that description
is but arriving in the area well before we know kathy to have been there i mean they're not stating it's a
yellow raincoat but i wonder if it's something that's so blatantly obvious like you said
a neighbor sees somebody walking around their property and says why i saw a man in a raincoat the other thing too you
also have to wonder about if he is waiting there to ambush kathy when she arrives
how does one individual know which cabin belongs to kathy's parents yeah good point there's other cabins to choose
from there i'm imagining that they don't look too drastically different or at least the
plots of land would look too crazy different i mean we're talking about woods here
now this is where we're going to take a a sharp left here all right are you buckled in there captain
a few days after the murder police said they were looking for a man who was believed to have been the last person to
see kathy this was a guy who had seen kathy at the el cho laundry mat two friends of kathy's said that they
saw her at the laundromat that saturday afternoon and they also saw some guy there doing his laundry they described
this guy and his truck to police who were able to track him down it turned out that he was just a guy who was doing
his laundry at the laundromat that saturday apparently he says he does his laundry every saturday at that same
laundry mat and he happened to be there at the same time as cathy so it looks like police get this lead
from her friends they are able to track down this guy even though we don't have his name
and must have determined that he didn't have anything to do with her homicide probably didn't have
anything to do with really kathy at all that they just happened to be at the same laundry mat on the day that she is
later murdered well is it possible that she was doing laundry and was like yeah this guy's a little strange
mention that to her friends and then that's how they tracked him down or why they decided to track him
down or he may have come forward they say that they're looking for an individual we don't know who he is but
we do have the description of his vehicle so we're not talking about an area where there's a ton of people right
so they may have been able to just check some driver's licenses some vehicle registrations and
get a short list of individuals that owned a truck with that type of description
the investigation continued following the typical protocols police canvassed the area near the cabin and spoke to
residents to see if they had seen anything strange or had anything to report at all on october
17th so this is five days after the homicide sheriff steger told the wausau herald
that we've talked to probably everybody that lives in el cho by now so we have eliminated some possible
suspects and we're continuing to do that they trace kathy's last movements which
is what led them to the laundromat guy and they dug into kathy's life which revealed
something intriguing that we will get to in a minute now police hinted around a couple of times about having a few
suspects and you can see that based off of just that last statement that we relayed to you but it's not really clear
whether this is actually true or not right that we have a few suspects we're not
naming anybody we're not saying why these people would be suspects so it's not clear if that's actually true or
just how viable these suspects or likely these suspects would be but it sounds like
they feel confident that they've spoke to everybody and may even have cleared some people
at this point in the early stages of their investigation well i know that her husband
went up there with their son but where was his whereabouts before that when he actually heard her transmission
well and that's very interesting right because if you are look we there's no getting around it you got to
look at the husband you got to look at the boyfriend in all of these cases could it be something as simple as he
set her up that this could be some kind of hit that he purposely was putting himself in a
different location when this went down and how many times have we reviewed cases and the other
person you look at is who finds the body so kind of a double whammy here but whammy again how we go back to how many
people would have known that she would have been here if if in fact this is not a random murder
if in fact that there wasn't some maniac lurking in the woods with a knife and a
raincoat then how many people would have known that she was going there around 7pm on that
saturday in early october and and known that this was a good opportunity to do whatever it was they intended to do
right you would also have to know that that you're not going to have to be to to come across our parents or other
people and again how do you discern their cabin from everybody else's one you said too it
didn't take long for her husband to get there so i'm assuming the cabin's not that far
from her actual house my issue with that becomes if there is any infidelity in that relationship well
when the grandparents aren't there you have a pretty easy getaway you don't have to rent a room at a hotel or go to
that person's house we can just sneak off to the cabin it makes me wonder is that a possibility as well well i was
going to save this for later but because of of your your questions and comments i think it would be it would be
right to introduce and kind of examine this now before we move too far along another thing that's kind of unclear
here captain is really the timing of the whole day once we involve not just kathy of course but david her
husband and her son nick so it's unclear to me the timing on the distress call and the husband's
arrival because it's been reported multiple times but it's really all over the shop
it's all over the place one article says that david and nick arrived minutes after the attack
which you know we've talked about this on this show before you see you use the words
minutes or moments or soon after it doesn't really give an exact definitive time of the distance you know
the the lapse of time between one act and the other and so it gets a little hazy just using
those words in general but we have that one article that says david and nick arrived minutes after the
attack which makes no sense given how remote this area was and then several articles say that she radioed at 7 38 pm
one article says that david arrived at 7 44 pm one article says that david arrived 32 minutes after
kathy radioed so it seems to me that there had to be there has to be a lag of time between
her radio distress call right and the time that david arrived 7 38 seems to be the most reported time
of that distress call she arrives sometime after 7 pm at the cabin she's attacked or
is aware that she's in danger enough to make that distress call and then david and nick arrived to offer
help or to find their mother and wife maybe they arrived at 7 38 p.m and that's where we're getting we're getting
these times from but it is unclear i want to make sure that we are clear about how unclear it is on the exact
timing of a the distress call and b husband david's arrival to find his wife unfortunately
lying there covered in blood in the woods yeah clear that they're unclear now three months after
the murder the wausau daily herald reported that the case had stalled so we're roughly 90 days in and they're
kind of hinting at that this thing is starting to get chilly it's starting to get a little cold
this was kind of surprising because as it turns out there were some there was some physical evidence from the crime
scene as you recall kathy had defensive wounds that led investigators to believe that
she had scratched her assailant put up some kind of fight perhaps she even drew blood from the killer presumably lab
techs would have been able to obtain the perpetrator's dna from kathy and then we find out that they did have
the knife they had the knife that is responsible for her murder apparently a knife was found at the scene
investigators sent that knife and some unspecified items of clothing and blood samples to a state crime lab
for analysis and at this time even though we're hearing these rumors that the case is going cold
seems like there's a lot going on under the surface here they were waiting for results
uh in this case and this is now january of 2003 that they have this information they've
sent it off to the lab and we're waiting for the results but there was other big
news to hit the headlines in regards to kathy's murder one of the articles was titled elcho
abuzz over killing and of course they're talking about kathy's murder this was because there were reports that
investigators were looking into whether cathy's murder was related to a local political scandal
what happened was kathy and her husband david had been just two of several fire department employees i want to be clear
about that there were multiple people involved in this situation not just kathy and david
but these were fire department employees who served on the el cho fire department
executive board and along with three other employees the nameths shared control of a bank account
containing funds belonging to the el cho fire department so just five days just five days before
kathy was killed town leaders dissolved the fire department's executive board and you only do that when they're up to
no good right the board was responsible for appropriations among other things so they're in charge of these funds in
this bank account kathy david assistant fire chief bob jensen and two others were essentially
removed from a position of authority at the fire department and from having access to the department's bank account
this was as a result of assistant fire chief bob jensen bringing to the attention to the town board some months
earlier that money was disappearing from the account so someone was embezzling the fire
department's funds and had been for some time and in connection with all of this
david namath was suspended as fire chief suspended with pay on october 7th assistant chief jensen the whistleblower
was appointed interim chief and all the fire department records were seized as the investigation into the
embezzlement got underway well if she has connections to the account is it possible that
an individual realized that she might hold the answers somehow and that would jeopardize this person's career and and
maybe even freedom and that that would be a reason to get rid of kathy yes this is going to call all
kinds of things into question here in regards to her homicide and this whole embezzlement scandal
[Music] oh [Music] like always we want to hear your thoughts on the case so if you have some
thoughts and opinions please share those with us on our blog at truecrimegarage.com
and join us back here tomorrow in the garage until then be good be kind and don't litter
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Loon Lake, Wisconsin - Cathy Nameth sent out a distress call. Something was terribly wrong. When her husband tried calling back, Cathy never answered. He rushed to her location finding her still clinging to life but covered in blood. Unfortunately Cathy died that day in October 2002 from multiple stab wounds. She was attacked and murdered in an isolated and safe recreational area. Concerns about a deranged murderer lurking in the woods terrified everyone. This week we discuss the still unsolved homicide case of Cathy Nameth.

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Brief Summary

Kathy Namath was murdered in a remote Wisconsin cabin after making a distress call about her attacker, raising questions about motive and suspects.

Key points

The Distressing Call. Kathy Namath makes a distress call before her murder, leaving her husband in panic.
A Gruesome Discovery. David and their son find Kathy barely alive after the attack, leading to a frantic call for help.
The Investigation Begins. Authorities launch a homicide investigation into Kathy's brutal murder, raising community fears.
Murder Investigation Confusion. Investigators believe Kathy was targeted, yet she wasn't expected at the cabin. How could this be?
The Laundromat Lead. Police track down a man seen at the laundromat with Kathy, but he turns out to be innocent.
Embezzlement Scandal. Kathy's murder may be linked to a local political scandal involving embezzlement.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This was not a random crime.

Describing the nature of the murder case.

3:48WatchOct 13, 2021

Tension

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