Cathy Nameth /// Part 2 /// 528 | Forensic Files

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crime [Music] i got you [Music] at the time of kathy namas murder october of 2002 local authorities and
officials were already aware of the embezzlement scandal going down at the fire department
one of the fire department's employees as of that same month had already been charged in the embezzlement scandal this
was matthew becker who was the former fire department executive board treasurer he was fired from the fire department
after he admitted to police in an august 2002 interview that he had embezzled at
least three thousand five hundred dollars from the fire department's account the criminal complaint stated becker
stated that he did this because he needed the money and felt that the town of elcho owed him the
money because of the [ __ ] he put up with becker faced charges of felony theft misconduct in public office and
possession of drug paraphernalia eventually he pled no contest to felony misconduct in public office and was
sentenced to four months in jail the wausau herald reported on october 17th quote rumors have spread throughout this
small town that the problems at the fire department and namuth's death i wish they would put namus murder may
have been connected in some way but police say they have so far found no link sheriff dave stagger admitted that
anything was possible and said that investigators were weighing the embezzlement lead equally
with other unrelated leads but others downplayed the likelihood dismissing any connection
as local gossip el cho town chairman richard elsin said to the newspaper quote my answer to
that is that's extremely unlikely why would somebody get killed over a lousy few
thousand dollars my personal feeling has been all along that she was just in the wrong place at
the wrong time a random act of violence in no way connected to the political situation in el cho
everything about this whole thing is strange none of it makes any sense which is even more unsettling to the locals we
are like any other small town things like this don't happen end quote yeah but why
would anybody risk their job for a measly few thousand dollars i mean people have been killed for less now
david namath kathy's husband was charged in the embezzlement case and later david
was fired for this situation just three months after kathy's murder ultimately david was facing seven criminal charges
some of them felonies basically david was illicitly paying himself out of the fire department's account
writing himself checks during the time period of 1999 to 2001 and then he lied about it to the
embezzlement investigator david pled no contest to theft disorderly conduct and obstruction in
may of 2004 so david was on the take stealing money from the fire department fund over
at least a three-year time period now it's not clear how much he took but the complaint states that in 2000 and 2001
he paid himself amounts in excess of that authorized by law in other words he paid himself more than his salary
allowed when the whole thing came out in late 2002 early 2003 he was fired as fire
chief as well as criminally prosecuted despite david being charged it does not seem that investigators were able to
connect the embezzlement and kathy's murder they reached out to the fbi for assistance in the case and took
suggestions on how to proceed with the investigation but nothing was resolved and authorities
were frustrated that they couldn't figure out or solve this murder but there was something else here captain in
this case now we have lieutenant baker who told the wausau herald one very important
thing katherine namath was a subject of the investigation as well but lieutenant baker declined to
speculate on whether she too would have been charged and he pointed out that while the embezzlement's
connection to kathy's murder has always been rumored no connection had ever been identified
publicly according to the herald okay so kathy our murder victim not just her husband david was being investigated as
possibly involved in the embezzlement scandal as well which is more than fair because as we're
going to see as i'm about to tell you here she was in fact involved that's right she alongside of her husband was
taking money from the el cho fire department we foied the complaint against david namath
and as we just laid it out for you it alleges that he overpaid himself for three years and then lied about it liar
liar fireman's pants on fire who else received excessive funds from the fire department that's right it
was kathy namath as well so kathy and david co-signed a check written on the el cho fired apartments account on
november 15th of 1999 in the amount of 1 500 payable to kathy namath but that's not all the complaint alleges that in
2000 and in 2001 david not only overpaid himself from the fund but he was overpaying his wife as well i guess
there's a chance that maybe she was unaware of any of this but to me it doesn't seem very likely it
seems much more likely that she was simply involved in this whole situation he could have started doing this and
maybe she's in charge of the family's checkbook or maybe she went into the bank account was like we have a little
bit more money than we should or wow david made a little bit more money than he normally does
and started questioning him and then he goes well yeah i'm taking a little bit on the side but hey i'll give you some
as well yeah i'm not going to speculate on how she became involved or or what went down and
look it wasn't just the two of them it's it's clear that there were several people that were not only aware of what
was going on but were involved and in on the take as well well at least they're equipped to put out their pants on fire
so kathy herself was being investigated in connection with the embezzlement scandal
and literally two days before she was supposed to talk to police she gets murdered i'm not a
big conspiracy theorist but you just play one on tv i don't usually like conspiracies in
these types of situations because most of the time the the simplest explanation is usually correct
but this is just too big of a coincidence to to dance around it right it's too big of
a coincidence to not take a look at it and throw it under the microscope and say okay are these things
related and then one thing that's very difficult to believe is that kathy just happened to be killed less than 48 hours
before the meeting where she was supposed to go and tell police what was going on
when she was being investigated captain she told police look i i will cooperate and i will tell
you everything that i know right now that could have just been saving face or that could have just been making herself
look good in the course of that investigation we don't know because she never got the chance to speak with them
to tell them whatever she was intending to tell them she was killed instead well
they haven't been transparent and her involvement like you said and then embezzlement we don't know because she
was not charged so there is a possibility your husband is the chief if he says hey come into my office i i
have this check and i need you to sign it what's it for and he gives her some hook
line and sinker and she buys it and then he cashes the check she might not have been
like you said we don't know what her level of involvement was or how much she knew and maybe she had a bunch of
questions herself and once she's now going to trial or going to this meeting to say hey this is what i know and this
is what i've seen going on this could be the nail in her husband's coffin and other people's coffin and there would be
reason for somebody to not want her to talk and again when people say well it's just
a few thousand dollars no you you possibly could go to prison and on top of that you're losing your
job which is your livelihood right and the thing that i think that is difficult here though when we when we analyze the
murder or how ever this went down whoever's responsible or why it happened to begin with
you you weigh that against the other things that are going on right especially when you have this
embezzlement thing that's so close to the murder investigation but it's one of those things that i kind of lean a
little bit more toward what the local chairman was saying as well that it's not a ton of money it's just a
couple of thousand dollars she seems to have been involved herself the charges themselves don't carry with
them lengthy prison sentences we're talking about months in jail and fines that would be
paid of course any of these things are uncomfortable and things that nobody wants and consequences that probably
nobody wants to face but it seems awfully risky to me to jump from what would be felony charges that are
ultimately reduced to misdemeanor charges and misdemeanor type consequences to something as
premeditated murder and so i i tend to share some of the same feelings that the the chairman was stating there now
that doesn't mean that they're not connected in some form or fashion they absolutely could be
there's also some rumor that possibly drug money may have been involved now this could be
this could push this to a heightened level here so this might get a little complicated here so i am going to ask
that you bear with me there is a fine we will there is a local drug dealer in the
langled county named daniel j zahn all right in march of 1999 the county authorities received an
anonymous tip that a large drug transaction was about to go down at the kempster inn tavern
police staked out the area and pulled over a drunk driver her name was denise enterson
who proved to have marijuana on her person she had gotten it she said from a david
zaun whom she met earlier at that kempster inn tavern according to denise zhan told her that
he had at least a pound of marijuana in his possession and he had been dealing in the area for over a year she had seen
large amounts of pot at his house and purchased from him in the past this was enough for the county deputies
to get a search warrant for zahn's house where they found a bunch of pot they arrested zahn now zan would not give up
his sources meaning the persons who sold him the bulk amounts of marijuana that he turned around and then sold to
private individuals in smaller transactions he pled guilty to possession with intent to distribute
before too long it became apparent who zan's sources were zan had been getting his supply from two
milwaukee-based dealers these are partners named donald kostelski and brian schnarsky
he admitted this in a court well in this area captain there's going to be a lot of skis
he admitted this in a court proceeding on july 31st 2003. kastelsky and schnarsky operated out of
milwaukee but also had a local apartment that was the hub of their langled county
distribution network police put together a case against pastelski for being the supplier for the 1999 deal
that had resulted in zahn's arrest in march of 2005 a criminal complaint was filed against kastelsky
charging him with possession with intent to deliver eventually he pled out to recklessly endangering public safety in
january of 2008. all he got for this was two years probation okay so what would this have to do with kathy namath and
her murder as said it's a little complicated but kaskelsky would end up facing more charges and
they were related to kathy's case so let's back up and explain a little bit to try to get
to the bottom of whether kathy's case and the embezzlement case were related investigators held a series of closed
secret hearings we've discussed this in some other cases that we've covered it's
a pretty rare thing here but it does go down and these are called john doe hearings
the wsaw news 7 says that these hearings quote they're typically used when an investigation is being thwarted or
impeded and can be used to force witnesses to testify in a secret hearing it helps us get testimony or information
from people who may not be willing to come forward closed door hearings on kathy's homicide
case were held by the district attorney starting on january 24 2008 but the purpose
scope and outcome of these hearings has never been made public there was clearly
some connection being explored between kathy's case and the drug dealing going on in the area the fbi and the wisconsin
department of justice and division of criminal investigation were all cited in these matters so some bigger agencies
being involved and somewhat loosely tied to kathy namas case we were able to find
out about these closed-door hearings only by foia request and this was based off of criminal
perjury charges that stemmed from one of the drug dealers donald kostelski lying under oath
at these hearings drug dealer and a liar imagine that wow i only trust a truthful
honest drug deal i only get my drugs from honest drug dealers and with the with the current state of marijuana and
pot and all that it it almost like these things seem a little silly to go back and kind
of circle around them like vultures but but it's important to this case so kastelski the dishonest drug dealer
was called to testify as an unwilling witness and he is fresh off of his 2008 conviction that reckless endangerment
conviction that we spoke of and he lied his ass off on the stand we don't have transcripts as they are
all under seal and we certainly don't know most of what was testified to but we do know that on the stand
kostelski was asked about whether he had ever hunted in langley county okay so the department
of natural resources records showed that he had yeah you can't handle the truth they also wanted to know if he owned a
gun and whether he had ever sold drugs to dan zhan and on the stand kostelski was
asked if he had ever sold drugs to matthew becker remember that name he was the guy that was already being charged
in the embezzlement scandal at the same time that kathy namath was murdered yes kitsuki so matthew becker
was the first employee of the el cho fire department to be charged in the embezzlement scandal in 2002. he was a
co-worker of cathy and david nemes kastelski denied selling drugs to becker but authorities had plenty of witnesses
including becker's wife who said that this in fact did happen so becker was getting his drugs from the
same person daniel zahn was getting his supply from donald kastelski why were this prolific
local drug dealer was donald kastelski and his partner brian schnarsky called to testify at hearings trying to get to
the bottom of kathy namas murder well we know that kathy was on the verge of talking to investigators about the
whole embezzlement ring and matthew becker her co-worker was involved in that along with her and was
also connected to the drug dealers but there's more kastelski and schnarsky were also connected to david namath her
husband this is from the same news outlet that we've cited all day and all day yesterday and their
report says deputy john shunk says investigators have looked at the case every which way possible they even took
advantage of a court proceeding known as john doe hearings during the secret of proceedings
prosecutors found that two men who they asked to testify and who knew david namath were not being truthful
investigators believe they know more than they are letting on kathy may have known these people obviously we can't
completely confirm that schunk said the pair were buddies of matthew beckers and police say had knowledge of the
elcho area having spent time there hunting police say they have a theory as to why kathy was murdered but without
enough evidence to charge anyone with her murder they won't say what their theory is yeah that's pretty good that
news release to me captain is incredibly interesting because what were they saying before all of these court
proceedings was that we're not sure who murdered her or why yeah but then after these court proceedings and after they
become aware of these two drug dealers that were known to hunt in this area and then later lied about any knowledge
of the area being in the area hunting in the area owning guns got them guns son now police are saying we have a theory
but without any evidence without enough evidence to charge someone we're not comfortable with presenting what our
theory is as to why and how kathy namath was murdered [Music] [Music] i got you [Music]
cheers to you wisconsin cheers to everybody in the back in the front and everybody around the campfire
cheers so this newer information tells us that authorities seem to believe that there was in fact some connection
between david cathy matthew becker and the drug dealers these guys the drug dealers had guns and
frequented the area and are in fact sketchy criminals but we have no idea what if anything was
uncovered because the information has never been made public we don't know the relationship between these men and david
and we don't know whether they knew kathy or she knew them well it seems to me like this and by embezzlement was a
little more in-depth than just oh i took some money here and there slap on the wrist there there could have
been more involved there's been whole police departments that are stealing drugs stealing evidence when
they arrest somebody if there's money on that person they just take the money because and then use that money to have
drug houses so where it seems like it's just a simple oh i'm overpaying myself here and there it could be way more
complex than that possibly but what i see when i look at this thing is a situation where
it very likely could simply be that david and kathy were embezzling money so the tie between the the two
drug dealers and becker is this middle man zahn who is a much lower level drug dealer
so you have this situation where multiple people are embezzling money and are aware of
what everybody's doing but you may have some people in that circle i believe it was a total of five
people that they were investigating for the embezzlement kathy included but you may have two of
them david and kathy who were just simply paying themselves a little extra taking
a little off the top where this becker character may have been involved in some other
situations outside of that his tie to the nameths is that he's involved in this embezzlement scandal as
well right now what we do know is that kastelsky and schnarsky were both prosecuted for perjury after
those john doe hearings they both lied on the stand and the d.a knew that they were lying and ended up proving it well
starsky is a known liar so kastelski was prosecuted for perjury a felony and convicted in september
of 2010 after agreeing to a plea agreement for two years probation pursuant to the plea agreement per
wsaw news a judge ordered him to tell the truth to investigators or risk going to prison
there was a new sheriff that took over in that county and this is sheriff greening who says that he doesn't know
exactly how costelski may have been involved in kathy namus murder but he does think that he has information so
the new sheriff not necessarily saying that this kostelski character right committed the murder
but the sheriff is on record as stating he's pretty confident that kastelsky knows something has some kind of
information that the sheriff's department does not have now your buddy captain brian schnarsky
was prosecuted as well and you were right he he is a liar and the court of law says so right he
was found guilty of perjury after a jury trial and as a condition of his probation was required to give a dna
sample again this all ties back to the kathy namath murder right now i couldn't find
this is what i wanted to figure out was kastelsky the other liar pants on fire was he was
a part of his conditions of the pro plea agreement to give a dna sample as well i'm guessing so i would think so
and that makes sense in this case because what we learn in kathy namas murder investigation
relatively quickly after this or about the same time is that they do confirm we suspected it at the beginning of the
investigation but it was later confirmed that in fact they did have suspect dna in her murder this comes from a february
2007 news report that stated that wisconsin state crime lab was able to isolate a male dna
profile from evidence found at the kathy namath murder scene now whether this was
dna on the knife remember they recovered the knife uh the knife handle yeah or this or on
her person because she put up a fight that's right or blood you know maybe they found some blood that they could
confirm was not kathy's at the scene as you said put up a fight maybe there's maybe perhaps dna under her fingernails
well in this case if i'm law enforcement right i'm looking at this case i go look
how many people are going to know where her parents cabin is located right that's that's the first
now we have people saying look nobody knew she was going to go out there that night
and then we have this embezzlement thing that's connected with her husband look if this guy's willing to
steal a little bit of money from his work and because he thinks he heart he earned it or
whatever reason if he's willing to steal and lie maybe he's willing to cheat on his wife
who knows but if i'm law enforcement and i'm coming into this case i have all those questions right away
okay now we have a victim that struggled with her attacker with her murderer and
we have physical evidence first person i'm testing is her husband and what we have here
captain is the new sheriff bill greening told the media in late february of 2007
that the sheriff's department had already conducted 12 samples or i'm sorry had already collected 12 samples
from quote persons of interest for comparison to the suspect dna sample that they had now by march of 2008
so about one year later they go on record the sheriff's department goes on records saying that
24 persons had been compared to the suspect sample with no luck so we've we've tested 24
people collected their dna and tested it against what we have the suspect dna and
we've not been able to make a match yet now the sheriff did say that that 24 the 24 samples that they had
included some persons of interest but did also include some emergency personnel who were responding to the
scene right you got to do your due diligence and make sure you clear them so that you're actually
testing and comparing for suspect dna that makes sense and as you said captain look we have david namath and i don't
have every bit of information on where he was what he was up to but it seems to me
he must have an iron-clad alibi because we know that kathy radioed about a scruffy looking man who she didn't
know who it was and then later david is responding to the scene with their son they must know where he was and feel
confident about where he was prior to him arriving at the murder scene yeah but just to do your due
diligence i think he would test him as well because he's there before emergency workers are there
so if you're going to test them why not test him as well correct i'm not suggesting you don't i'm i'm just saying
that they i think we could com presume that yes they have that they have tested i agree i agree then let's
circle back to the drug dealers because this is going to kind of come full circle well we wish
that it would go full circle maybe we would have some answers but in 2008 there was a tip
in february of 2008 dan zahn the drug dealer from the 1999 deal contacted the sheriff's office with a
tip dan zahn told officials that he had information about the kathy namath murder and who was involved
so they set up a meeting to talk in person on february 22nd unfortunately zan died before this
meeting according to all the reports that we could find zan passed away from quote unquote natural causes at the age
of 42 on february 20th perhaps he was ill someone posted on a message board that
he had cancer and might have wanted to clear his conscience before passing but then pass
before he could do so the timing is really interesting to me i mean you think he could have wrote it down or
something well not only that like why not meet with him as soon as possible right
i mean right i'm not i don't want to question anybody or what they were doing and maybe they didn't take him serious
who knows maybe he didn't have good information we don't know because he was unable to deliver the information but
it's just weird to me that that these things seem to be that something like this happened and
this thing whatever information he was going to give to them could have broke this
case wide open now the sheriff's office did do their due diligence by going out and getting a search warrant
and seizing his computer his camera and other items from his home the day after he died
if they found anything on of interest it's not been released to the public so just to sum that up dan
zhan the drug dealer connected to the other drug dealers connected to the namus through an unknown relationship
but through this becker guy that they worked with basically through the embezzlement he
said he had information about cathy's death but doc but died before he could relay it
so anyone's guess is a good guess as to what information he was going to give to
authorities but doesn't this kind of prove it in your mind that her death is connected
to this embezzlement i feel like i i don't know that the embezzlement is the catalyst for her murder
i think it's probably just one more thing that's involved in in something else that we may not be entirely aware of
that somebody in this circle is involved in now not to throw a big fat wrench into the whole thing
but i found this to be an interesting angle here captain we'll try to throw a medium-sized wrench
someone posted on a wisconsin website and this is this is uh what they posted it says
kathy namath's murder investigation wasn't conducted properly and is being revisited the hardest part of the
investigation includes tracking down the people who were partying up at one of the cabins on loon lake that weekend
they were never questioned to begin with so tracking down who they were has been incredibly difficult
so this makes it sound like one of the cabins up at loon lake that weekend if this anonymous tipster
or poster is correct and being truthful and has good information that there was some kind of party going
on at one of those cabins and this person seems to have reason to believe that these people were not investigated not
questioned right away after the murder and so now that the case is being revisited remember we do have a new
sheriff in town that tracking down anybody that could have been there that night or in that
general area is incredibly difficult because this is years after the fact and not to go like
too far off base but this kind of reminds me of something maybe like bundy would do and the sense of like oh
if i'm going to go up and hang out with my buddies and we're going to party here
i'm now around this small lake that has all these other occupants i mean it's pretty far-fetched
i'm just saying that's basically what it seems like this internet poster is or this internet sleuther is
um presenting is that somebody at the party is responsible for her murder yes somebody at one of these parties or and
then you gotta wonder like okay if you can tie these drug dealers to that area which it sounds like the prosecutor did
that's how they got the perjury convictions is it crazy to think that they weren't
there for a multitude of reasons right that they're there because of kathy or they're there because of this
party and and didn't really know kathy at all i mean it gets it's a very confusing murky situation
and it's it's a situation where they've not released a lot of information so it makes it very difficult to
to really kind of grab a hold of a theory and run with it like i think there's a lot of good theories out there
the husband could have been involved you always got to consider that and then you
you put the icing on the cake with the husband that he's involved in illegal activity anyway with the embezzlement
scandal but then again i keep going back to it's not a ton of money kathy's involved
another guy the investigation was already like very active so much so that another dude
was already charged right so it almost seems to me like if you were looking to cover up the embezzlement thing to begin
with or to silence kathy namath that you would have done it well before this day
that it seems a little late in that ball game to be taking her out to shut her up well
what's interesting in this case to me is that they tested all these individuals for
the dna and and i think it's very responsible to go hey we're going to test the emergency responders so we know
that okay we know whose dna is on her so i think law enforcement has to be sitting pretty and going hey we have dna
that we believe is 100 the killer of missed amith so if they have that why not start testing
that dna and put it through the systems and and maybe you find you know a relative of somebody well
that wouldn't be putting it through the system but i hear you yeah the i would guess that by this point they've already
put it through codis and that would be the system so that would be connecting it to any known
offender dna that you already have on file so put it through that system which we don't
have any statement you're right captain we don't have any statement that says in
fact that they did that i'm guessing that they would have once they've already started testing emt workers and
people that responded to the scene and then persons of interest but you're right this
if you do think that she was targeted i keep circling back to the idea that there wouldn't have been a ton of people
that would have known that she would have been there at that time on that day so your suspect list cannot be that
long if you're really locked in on that theory and now you have at least 24 people that
you've cleared as far as not being a match to the dna well but if i'm law enforcement
this this case is frustrating because there's not a ton of information i mean you know maybe there's way more behind
closed doors that we don't know about this has gone on for so long and it's pretty popular case at least in
that area known around loon lake test the dna well and we are sitting here recording this episode in the garage
exactly 19 years to the day that she was murdered so 19 years have gone by and i don't know that we're any closer
to this than we were at the initial stages of the investigation the thing that i think
is a real big kick in the in the pants here is that this dan zhan passed away right
and apparently he had some kind of information that he felt was necessary to pass along to police
literally literally 19 years ann perkins the thing with this case captain was i was excited to look into
this one because i was suspicious of the husband because i was aware of the embezzlement scandal
on the surface i was aware that he was involved right and then quickly learning that she was involved as well
made that angle of it not so of such great importance to me i really thought that what we would be able to
see here is take a look at him and his son responding to the scene what her words were on that radio
transmission and basing that off of look if you're responding to the scene and you
you killed her or you had someone kill her it's not ideal that she's still alive
once first responders are showing up and may be able to give up the goose right and so i wanted to be able to look at
that situation in that portion of this case and be able to roll him in or out but it looks like
even with the information that we've talked about for the past hour or so i'm nowhere closer to knowing whether he
was involved or not like you said back in the last episode i think his alibi is probably pretty solid
and then also by him taking his son to me that leans more towards innocent because
you have the possibility if you were involved somehow or she recognized the person and that
person was connected back to him that she if she was still alive she would be she would have the capability of giving
that information to her son and it's really unclear about the information that she was able to
tell her husband or not tell her husband you know what i mean we have to sit here
and go well where the authorities just kind of taking his word for it that he arrives on the scene and she says yeah i
don't know who the guy was i didn't you know i didn't recognize him i don't know who my attacker was
or did she say hey i recognize who the person was and her husband knows that he's connected
loosely to this embezzlement that and that ties him together with this person and so he doesn't say anything to
protect himself the other thing too is we have the statement of police saying that it appears to them that
or they have evidence it's not that it appears to us we have evidence that she was running from her attacker
and it put up a big fight and tried to get away from him doing everything she could you know it sounds
to me like things were disturbed in the area that would give them evidence that she was fleeing
this guy and i know that when you look at footprints and compare footprints you can tell when somebody's running rather
than walking and the other thing you would have is you would have his footprints running after her
to kind of confirm that what we don't have is we have very bad reporting on and this is no one's fault
because it's not the police's job to distribute this information to everyone but
we don't have great reporting about the crime scene itself right that's the reporter's fault we're told
yeah but they what information are they going to get if the police won't tell them anything
what what we have here is we have the statement of well we don't think she made it into the cabin we don't think
that the cabin was burglarized we think that she fled the attacker that there was some kind of chase involved but
we have really no information when it comes down to the crime scene itself that's what i really wanted to get my
hands on in this situation i wanted to know about her vehicle when she sees this weird dude we know that there was
something off-putting about him or his actions or his look or whatever that was alarming enough to her that she
felt the need to radio out to everyone but why not jump in your vehicle and flee
the scene why not try to barricade yourself inside the cabin or hide behind the chainsaw
why did those things not happen maybe she attempted to do one or both of those in the course of being attacked
it's again we just don't have enough information about the murder scene to really come to any type of strong
conclusions in this case it's it's really a sad case and i what i'm hoping is that
the sheriff the current sheriff is correct and right the dna will solve this case
and thank god that they do seem to have suspect dna in this case because it might be the only thing that they do
have you know i'm hoping that this case does not go cold there's not been a ton of movement on it
in the recent years and regardless of the embezzlement or whatever look none of us are perfect angels
but whatever happened to kathy was horrible and despicable and whether it was random or targeted
it's very sad there likely is a very bad man on the loose that's capable of stabbing someone to death
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Loon Lake, Wisconsin - Cathy Nameth sent out a distress call. Something was terribly wrong. When her husband tried calling back, Cathy never answered. He rushed to her location finding her still clinging to life but covered in blood. Unfortunately Cathy died that day in October 2002 from multiple stab wounds. She was attacked and murdered in an isolated and safe recreational area. Concerns about a deranged murderer lurking in the woods terrified everyone. This week we discuss the still unsolved homicide case of Cathy Nameth.

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Brief Summary

Kathy Namath was murdered amid an embezzlement scandal involving her husband and local drug dealers, raising questions about her death's motives.

Key points

Embezzlement Scandal Unfolds. Matthew Becker, a fire department treasurer, was charged with embezzlement, raising questions about connections to Kathy's murder.
Kathy Namath's Murder Investigation. Kathy Namath was murdered just days before she was to speak to police about embezzlement.
The Embezzlement Connection. David and Kathy may have been embezzling money, complicating the investigation into Kathy's murder.
DNA Evidence in Kathy's Murder. Investigators confirmed they have suspect DNA from the crime scene, raising hopes for a breakthrough.
The Mysterious Tip. Dan Zahn, a drug dealer, had information about Kathy's murder but died before he could share it.
A Bad Man on the Loose. The discussion reveals the unsettling possibility of a dangerous individual still at large.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Things like this don't happen.

Reflecting on the murder in a small town.

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Tension

65/ 100Some tension

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