Annie McCarrick /// Part 2 /// 381 | Forensic Files

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[Music] [Applause] [Music] Nancy Annie's mother jumped on an overnight flight to Dublin she arrived
on Tuesday March 30th and went straight to the local Garden station to report her daughter missing Nancy assured the
guardi that her daughter would not have just left she was happy and thrilled to be living in Ireland even stranger
Annie's possessions anything that you would anticipate somebody taking with them if they planned on leaving they
were all found right where Annie left them in the flat the gardees investigation got off to a
slow start Annie's missing photo and public appeal for information were not issued for another seven days this is
seven days after her mother arrived Annie's father joined Nancy in Dublin for the search of their daughter the
mccarricks together stayed for six weeks working with the guardian on the investigation
the guardi put together that Annie had called her friend Anne that day asking her to go hiking that Annie had been
possibly seen taking this bus in the direction of Ennis Carey which then naturally kind of shifted the focus of
their investigation from the Sandy Mount area to the enniskerry area right and then of course we have the possible
sightings of her at the post office and the pub after that there was nothing frustrated with the lack of progress the
mccarricks hired a seasoned private investigator recommended to them by the U.S embassy one local printer even
offered to print up 10 000 Flyers advertising Annie's disappearance which included her picture and her description
which included the outfit they believed she was wearing that day a dark tweed jacket right Oxblood colored boots jeans
and a Large Satchel type bag which her mother Nancy says Annie took with her everywhere this description of her
clothes is pretty much backed up by what we saw on the bank CCTV footage with their private investigator the
mccarricks canvas the Ennis carrier area going door to door with Annie's photo to
all of the homes between the small village and Johnny Fox's Pub gardee officers spoke with all of
Annie's friends two former boyfriends were questioned although Garde would not address whether
they were actually suspects right all those with records of sexual assault in the vicinity were questioned official
searches were conducted hundreds of Acres were in fact searched in this investigation a computer-generated
sketch of the man in the wax jacket supposedly seen by the bouncer was circulated describing this man as being
in his mid-twenties five foot nine inches to five foot ten inches tall with dark brown hair a media
blitz saturated the news with photos and details about Annie resulting in hundreds of tips the mccarrick's
desperate even consulted psychics in this investigation but despite all of these
efforts no trace of Annie mccarrick has ever has ever been found the private investigator hired by the mccarrick
family this is Brian McCarthy says that after looking into Annie's disappearance and to the
following all the leads that he could find and I couldn't get a great detailed answer
for this here Captain but he says the private investigator says he does not believe that the woman seen at Johnny
Fox's that night was Annie yeah everybody has their own beliefs and and you wonder is that
coming from evidence or is that just coming from a gut feeling this case is weird because when we look
at something like Brian Shaffer again so weird to me that these missing person cases Schaefer goes into a bar he's last
seen on on surveillance Mar Murray she's last seen at an ATM now we have Annie's case she was last
seen that day that she went missing at that the CC TV footage it makes that footage so much more
haunting but yeah but yeah it's um this one's different and it feels different because
you can't really have the argument of normally with the emergency person in case you go okay well
is there a reason they would want to run away she kind of already did she yeah she's living elsewhere yep
she's living across the pond thousands of miles away from our family thousands of miles away
from where she grew up so that kind of already happened but she didn't do so in a way where she wanted
to lessen contact with her family she was still close with her family her mother's
coming to visit yes her father didn't want her to go back but at some point your family gets over that so there's no
if she wanted to lose contact with her past or her family all she had to do is just not answer a phone anymore do you
look and I know that rules have changed since 9 11 so this being 1993 may not really apply to what I'm thinking now
but do you need a passport to travel from country to country in Europe because a lot of times you can just hop
on a train and and go to another country right where in the U.S we're not so we're not built like that you know it's
we're traveling to another state often but since 9 11 you need a passport to get to Canada right you didn't before
but what I'm getting at here I only bring that up because we do know her passport was found in her apartment
right so if she was planning on leaving she's already kind of slowing down her travel in some manner by not taking that
with her I could be wrong but I would I still think to this day you just need your ID to get to certain countries that
you don't even need your passport over in the UK what did Jerry Seinfeld say about a driver's license what what is
required to have a driver's license apparently just a face yeah you know for the picture taking process you need no
hands sadly Captain after a year-long investigation guardi turned up really nothing new in this case well again
there's also thousands of sightings yeah that they had to run down and when you think about investigating anything can
you imagine every time you get a call saying oh we think we saw her at this restaurant or
we think we saw her here and how many five foot six to five foot ten Burnett Americans did somebody meet and go oh my
God I think that's Annie so the amount of work that they had to put into this case was was tremendous
Nancy and John her parents returned to the U.S This months earlier you know we're at the year-long portion of the
investigation now in our timeline they they went back months earlier but they did go back to Ireland again in uh once
more this on the first anniversary of her disappearance right hopeful that the publicity just from their visit
and the reward money which was now 150 000 I'm guessing that's in dollars uh was announced they were hoping that this
would spur some type of movement on the case it did not nothing new about Annie's case was reported until October
of 2008 yeah when an article in the Irish Times reported the following uh and bear with me as I read through this
guardi investigating The Disappearance of and presumed murder of American student Annie mccarrick have interviewed
two new suspects the suspects were identified after the gardees cold case review Squad recommended a
reinvestigation of the case by Garde and Bray County Wicklow the case was formally handed over during the summer
and has now resulted in the identification of two new suspects in the presumed murder of the New Yorker
the Irish Times understands the investigating team selected the two men for interview based on a review of
statements taken when Miss mccarrick disappeared 15 years ago and also based on more recent information from members
of the public gardee Believe Miss Carrick was last seen in Johnny Fox's Pub and Glenn Collins County wiccolo on
March 26 1993. so we have the private investigator who says I don't think she was ever there we have this article that
makes it sound like guardi investigators believed that she was at Johnny Fox's um yeah
and then it goes on to mention a few different things I'm going to kind of skip around here
um they're mentioning all this stating while this was going on in 93 while it convicted jailed rapist has long been
noted in the media as a suspect neither of these two men that were interviewed is neither of them were arrested or
considered to be a PR a prisoner at any time and as we said uh it doesn't sound like they were
officially suspects and it does say in this article that neither of them have a criminal record
but what is interesting is they're saying we went back and we're reviewing all of the old information that we did
have and because of this we see this in a lot of cases when they go cold and you
hand them over to new investigators they go oh wait a second this lead in this lead
these were potential leads that we do not believe were properly followed up on at that time right so it had nowhere to
go at that time yeah so now we're going to talk to these two individuals and try
to clear some things up at least it's a lead that they're following up further on but
we don't know the nature of those interviews and we do know that they weren't considered as far as the media knows to
be actual suspects well the laws over there are different as well too because if you're accused of a sexual assault or
rape uh as a male they do not use your name so and I've thought about this just in the
last couple days because there was some charges against uh possibly charges against a UFC fighter
Conor McGregor that have never really hit the mainstream media in America but a lot of that is we're not clear if he
was charged or not because they don't use the person's name so on one sense you think well that's
this country protecting the males but on on some level maybe it's a way to buy everything being
a little more closed down and a little more controlled by the courts maybe it's allowing for the female
accusers or their female victims to be able to come forward in such a way that they they feel more
likely to come forward if that makes any sense well I think where we need to go from from here
Captain is we need to go through what we introduced to everyone in the trailer which is Ireland's Vanishing triangle
and I do want to make a special note here about my research for these cases that we're
about to get into I relied quite a bit extensively in fact on a book called missing presumed by
Alan Bailey yeah I kept on hearing that uh in the different documentaries and things that talk about that book I'm I'm
assuming it's pretty well written something that we have yet to mention which goes along with the vanishing
triangle is the investigative initiative called operation Trace so in the time period between 1993 and 1998 a
significant number of women vanished in an 80 mile area outside of Dublin in the
Leinster area and what became known as The Vanishing triangle six of these cases are particularly well known so
let's take a brief look at these disappearances which did begin with Annie mccarrick's case so following her
disappearance we have The Disappearance of Jojo Dollard on November 9 1995 21 year old Josephine
known better as JoJo Dollard went missing she was a waitress who lived with her sister in Callan a small town
in the county of Kilkenny that Thursday night she met with friends in Dublin quite a ways from home and
plan to return home by bus however she missed the last bus and started hitchhiking
which as we said was fairly common during this time her first two rides took her halfway
home to the town of Moen and I hope I can have that right I probably don't m-o-o-n-e where she called a friend from
a phone booth this is around midnight Captain she told her friend that she was hitching a ride and waiting
for another ride to come along multiple Witnesses later told the guardi that she saw that they saw a young woman
talking in the phone booth but with the door open and she's still trying to thumb a ride even though she's on the
phone apparently while she's on the phone with her friend she tells the friend hey hold on a
minute she's gone for about 30 seconds before returning to the phone and saying to the friend I have a lift I'm off
a witness driving by told police that she saw a car pull over near that phone booth
and saw a woman get into a vehicle JoJo Dollard was never seen again guardi officers spoke with the two drivers that
picked up Jojo and drove her you know as far that far that night but again after
that point it's it's really a mystery we also have 17 year old Sierra Breen who went missing from the seaside town
of Dundalk and this is on February 13 1997. Sierra's mother said that she and Sierra
went to bed around midnight and when she got up about two in the morning she noticed that her daughter was gone
they found the latch to her window it was unlocked the general thought here and this is the
opinion of her mother and the guardi was that at some point in the night Sierra decided to leave on her own and left the
window you know went out the window leaving it unlocked so that whenever she was going to sneak back into the home
she would have a way in she too has never been seen since then in August of 1996 in the town of
tulamar a 25 year old hairdresser named Fiona Pender went missing she is reported to be seven months pregnant at
the time of her disappearance she's last seen at an apartment that she shared with her boyfriend John
Thompson he says he left for work to go work on his family farm at 6 a.m it was thought
that she may have gone out after sometime after he left but what we do know is she is never seen again after
this statement of John Thompson saying hey I left and she was she was fine at the time a friend stopped by her
apartment later that day but the curtains were drawn so she assumed Fiona was asleep
and you know nobody answers the door her family does report her missing this was
not until the next day extensive searches and inquiries turned up nothing we have a second Fiona to go through as
well here Captain this is in February of 1998 Fiona Senate disappeared after leaving Butler's Pub in Wexford she had
recently suffered a breakup with the father of her child but everyone says she was in good spirits and had social
plans she looked forward to this according to her family that night she met up with friends at the pub and left
at closing time to walk a mile along Country Roads to her home this is the last sighting of Fiona she was not
reported missing for 10 days her home that she was renting at the time provided no clues that I could find in
any of the reports I think the thought here Captain is that she never made it back to her home that night right
in July of 98 still another mysterious disappearance this was this is the Tipping Point okay you talked about
earlier oh nobody should be hitchhiking we got all these missing women this here is the Tipping Point that's
from the 70s though in our timeline yeah yeah different histories uh we certainly
learned our lesson unfortunately here in the 70s uh in the United States but again this is when hysteria is going
to set in at least in the sense of the the press and in the media for Fears of a possible serial killer this comes
about when we have The Disappearance of an 18 year old student teacher Deirdre Jacob
as with Annie's case Deirdre spent the day running errands in her hometown uh she was in New Bridge thanks to CCTV
footage it is known that Deirdre hit the bank at 2 30 p.m the post office 10 minutes later and also went to the
grocery store she also visited her grandmother at the Sweet Shop she owned in town called she called a friend from
a phone kiosk and met some friends at a pub she was last seen exchanging greetings
with a neighbor according to one article quote neighbors saw her about 200 yards
from her home and then suddenly she was gone she was standing at the side of the
road about to cross over the street and then she was gone according to articles from the time it was
established that Deirdre never made it to her front door she was never seen again despite
Swift and massive official searches for her her family has some kind of hope it sounds like that perhaps she ran off to
start a new life but of course they know how unlikely this is in the book missing
presumed by Alan Bailey he writes it was as if the Earth had opened and swallowed
her hole that's like every missing person case though right like yeah a lot of them it's it's almost like there's
another dimension that they just slip into well you're hitting on something here
that I wanted to really make sure that we pointed out with that of Annie's case okay that's what we're spotlighting in
these two episodes Annie's case yes we have these other ones to consider but with her case 1993 I feel like the
problems all the things that are problematic about her case and the investigation
we wouldn't have those problems in 2020 there would have been a lot more cameras
going on right there cell phone ping technology yeah cell phones we would have street cameras business cameras we
might even have cameras on these buses and what I'm pointing out here is not so much so
it's the correction of the timeline and her whereabouts along that timeline we we mentioned that a lot of those
sightings while some of them are very believable they are officially unconfirmed so we don't know what time
she went missing we don't know what account is the first false one right if somebody says hey I saw her at the post
office and she wasn't we we have other video evidence to prove that she never made it
to that post office we know something happened before right that potential site yeah or you take the pub for
example with technology now or people constantly going to places all this is a heavy uh tourist attraction guess what
happens at heavy tourist attractions pictures are taken and would there be a way with the 300 and some people there
taking pictures could we could we have got a picture of Annie like in the background of a picture to confirm that
she actually made it to that Pub yeah and and with all of these unexplained disappearances of young ladies in a
relatively I mean these are low risk Lifestyles that most of these ladies are living
that's when we start seeing the headlines in the Irish media that are going to talk about a possible serial
killer preying on women in the areas around Dublin so we see a bit of a media frenzy here with this now after Deidra
disappeared in 1998 then guardi commissioner Pat Byrne established operation Trace under an FBI
trained assistant commissioner named John Hickey to investigate possible links between the original six cases the
two fionas Annie JoJo Sierra and Deirdre commissioner Byrne believed that all six
missing women had been murdered although it was premature to suggest that the cases were in fact linked
one thing I want to point out here Captain when we talk about this Vanishing triangle or what kind of list
how many victims we possibly have I've seen this list with as with as few as six victims who we just mentioned
it seems pretty common that eight is the common number reported right but I've also seen this to include up to 15
strange occurrences and two of them being murders that took place before Annie mccarrick went this went missing right
what I do want to point out though again eight seems to be the most common number what's interesting to me about
that number eight is within a five year and four month time span we have eight women who are all
I mean within a what 15 years of one another they all go missing and there this is like no trace of them is
ever found they don't find a body we talked about that in the trailer how at some point they're offering up a reward
that just results in into leading investigators to an actual body right you have with missing persons you have
you have some terrible terrible things working against you in your investigation a murder it can be easier
to investigate than a missing person's case especially when you have the commissioner coming out and saying hey
because there's been no activity we believe that these eight missing women have been murdered we don't know
if there's a link between any of them but the thing that they don't have that you would have in a murder investigation
you don't have a body which which can contain a lot of evidence a lot of Clues a lot of leads
you don't have a crime scene so you're really working against it right away and have you seen footage of the surrounding
areas that took place in these searches some of them yes yeah I mean there's some spots that are so desolate and it's
almost like the perfect grounds to be able to go hide a body or to bury a body here's the other thing too we talked we
referenced that um the Wicklow area several times yeah and what we do know is when you look at when you look at
lists that contain the 15 that I had mentioned they found some bodies in that Wick in
the Wicklow mountains is what it's often referred to as the more I kept reading about this
Captain I started wondering like you know how like here we say oh the you know like kind of kind of a common
Dumping Ground right to hide bodies be it even when they're the crimes are perpetrated by by different individuals
you know is it like The Place Beyond the Pines where all they everyone's kind of
when you need a place to dump a body this is where you go but one thing that I think that we see
here and I'm I'm not going to um I don't want to mislead anybody or take them down any roads that we
don't have to go down because we have a lot still to get to there there's no part of me that
believes all 15 of these cases are in fact connected there's no part of me that believes all eight of these cases
are in fact connected there are yes there are some similarities however we have in some of these cases where
individuals close to the missing person to the victim have been suspected of being involved
in their disappearance where we don't have that with Annie Annie's is a little more mysterious and
part of that too is she's not from there she's not from the area she's not lived
there her whole life she has a shorter time span in a smaller circle of people and yet she goes missing and we don't
have any clue as to where she is [Music] foreign Captain you have a lovely voice thank
you for for singing that for us didn't really take me that long no just you know like one take that was me in the
shower I get a little higher so I do want to mention here Captain we talked about this book missing presumed
and really in this case in these cases here there's really nobody more qualified
for this type of book because Alan Bailey spent 13 years as the national coordinator for the operation Trace task
force the task force eventually came to the conclusion that there was no serial killer involved in a statement that we
would see by Bailey told to the Wicklow voice newspaper in 2014 he said quote in
the end we could name viable independent suspects in five of the cases on the other hand others believe that
Annie mccarrick Diedra Jacob and JoJo Dullard are all Linked In some form or fashion that it is likely that one
killer is responsible for those three disappearances right guardi assistant commissioner Martin donellen who was the
initial lead investigator on Annie's case spoke with the Irish Times about 20 years later this is in 2013. he
said to him the similarities between the cases of Annie Jojo and Deidra could not
be ignored these were he considered they all go missing around the same area around the same time of day there was
just too many possible similarities for him to to set that aside now though I think we should get into
some Persons of Interest Who we know were considered in Annie's case first this is according to the April
2019 University Express article called Ireland's Vanishing triangle we cited this article earlier in fact
but they say that Garde originally focused on a man Annie knew this was based on information gathered from one
of her friends that Annie had a liaison with someone she had worked with according to the friend Annie had seen
this man on the Saturday before her disappearance and she told her friend that she had quote let things get out of
hand with him and just wanted to forget about the whole thing Garde questioned the man and blew apart
The Alibi he provided which this of course is going to cast further suspicion on him you provide an
alibi that doesn't seem to be true after intensive questioning the man admitted to the
the interlude with Annie and told police he had lied to hide from his girlfriend
the fact that he was cheating with Annie doucheburger according to this article the guardi took this at
face value and it looks like never they never Revisited this man in question now
the book missing presumed also dismissed this man as a suspect this leads us to Robert Howard
in October of 2005 the BBC News reported that the guardi investigating the missing women of the vanishing triangle
had filed paperwork to interview a convicted murderer named Robert Howard he's 61 years old known in the press as
the werewolf Howard's records have been sealed but had recently been opened and the Press
determined that Howard had multiple convictions for rape murder and child abuse the files indicated that police in
both Ireland and England suspected that Howard may be linked to The Disappearance of up to six women
two cases in particular were being examined to see if Howard could be responsible these were the cases of Jojo
Dollard and Annie mccarrick since being convicted in 2003 Howard was serving a life sentence for the 2001
rape and murder of a 14 year old girl in London her name is Hannah Williams her body was found two years after she went
missing Howard reportedly had up to 12 addresses in various parts of Ireland throughout
the 1990s he was linked to a sexual attack on a teenage girl in Dublin in 1993 the same year that Annie vanished
so this very dangerous werewolf man is reported or believed to possibly have been in the area the same about the same
time that Annie goes missing right here we have one that I know you're going to like Captain in fact I
shouldn't say going to like I think you do like it this is the IRA Hitman so in 2009 Hitman okay keep going a
retired detective that's what I titled it it might be you might notice something else in 2009 a retired
detective Sergeant uh remember we have Alan Bailey revealed that he had a very reliable source who told him what
happened to Annie he says this theory is explored in depth in his book now according to Bailey this
man had been seen by the bouncer at Johnny foxes paying for Annie so under this Theory
and he was at Johnny Fox's that night with this man who happens to be a what I'm calling a Hitman he's a Hitman for
the West Belfast Brigade of the Irish Republican Army or IRA listeners might recall that the IRA was
an extremist militant Group which fought to end British rule of Ireland and ensure unification of the Irish people
under the democratic government this supposed Hitman had fled from murder charges in North Ireland and was
on the lamb in the Republic of Ireland living with some friends in a safe house near Johnny foxes
according to Bailey's Source The Hitman and Annie got a little drunk and the Hitman told Annie things he's not
supposed to talk about so this is talking about illegal activities and about his organization
might have talked about the murder charges well when he realized that he had related secret information to her he
recognized that he needed to get rid of Annie he either offered her a ride or otherwise lured her into his Ford Sierra
while making sure that they were not seen leaving Johnny foxes together after Annie and the Hitman left in his
vehicle he says he strangled her and hid her body under some bushes when he told
his colleagues what he had done at the safe house yeah they they well I don't I don't have information if it was the
people at the safe house but I think that's a safe assumption yeah he said they work to help dispose of her
body more thoroughly somewhere in the Wicklow mountains where she would never be found yeah they buried her apparently
this Ira Hitman later reportedly returned to Northern Ireland where it is believed that he may have committed a
sexual assault to which he then fled to America it seems like the the last known
place he was possibly living was in the state of Texas right now right but it wasn't that he fled that the IRA helped
him leave yeah so to make that clear this is a story being told to Mr Bailey about what
possibly happened to Annie that night yeah and what's tough about this and the reason why this makes a lot of
sense to me is that you have another member of the Ira coming forward and basically saying hey by the way that
was Annie and this guy that was a part of the IRA murdered her and we a collective group of people
helped cover it up so by coming forward you're not you're not just making the claim that
again we've seen it in several cases where somebody comes forward and makes a claim against somebody else and maybe
they're more involved than what they're stating but they're still involved so you have somebody coming forward
and not coming forward in the greatest of light I gotta come forward and confess against this guy but I also have
to conf I have to confess against myself and on top of that I have to confess against other individuals that I know
are horrible individuals I would like to know more details of this Theory that's
related to Mr Bailey because I think where it falls short we still have no body there's there's no one to lead us to
where Annie is right again there's somebody in this area it's going to be hard for you to remember unless you put her
in a certain area based off of a certain landmark you would it'd be very difficult we're
talking about hundreds and hundreds of Acres that they could have buried her I can get on board with that I can see
that so but the other problem is start looking up the IRA and sexual assaults I mean there's multiple individuals that
rape children that they covered that up their sexual assaults they covered up they were covering up murders people
that should have been charged with crimes and they were having them you know they were sending them to America
so they wouldn't have to face these criminal charges and one of the things that I really do like about the
eyewitness at the bar was he even States in his initial vein okay flat chest uh we we have broad shoulders a militant
haircut hmm and I just think with that eyewitness account with the eyewitness account the person
knew or saw her in line to put her on a bus that would put her in that area that's some evidence that she's in that
area and then like I said the other guy coming forward and then why does it it's going to lead
to a dead end anyways because the IRA is covering up all this nonsense that other members have been a
part of and like I said to even Explore some of these claims I didn't see anything on the first five
or six pages of Google as you search because they're they're showing all these other cases
that the IRA has covered up or or set people away so they couldn't be charged with crimes it's horrible
so that leads us to a man that's probably better known in this case or these cases and his name is Larry Murphy
now according to the Irish American which is a publication and many other sources there is a prime suspect in
Annie's disappearance at least among the media this is the convicted rapist in attempted murderer Larry Murphy age 35
known in the press as the Beast of Bolton Glass carbon really bad names in this case
he's a well they're referring to towns and Villages uh car he's a carpenter and handyman at one time he was living in
Wicklow County in 2000 and apparently had no criminal record when he abducted and repeatedly raped a 28 year
old woman who was walking alone in a parking lot after closing down her business
he was stalking this woman watched her routines he hid his car nearby so he wouldn't be seen on camera
he's waiting there for her and as she goes to get into her vehicle he shoved her inside tied her up removed
her shoes and drove to his car where he transferred the victim to his trunk and drove off with her
he drove her to a remote Forest Road in the Wicklow mountains where he's attacking her and raping her
and it looks like he's about to kill her but the headlights of another vehicle suddenly shine on his vehicle inside we
have two Hunters their names are Trevor Moody and Ken Jones they saw that this woman is being attacked and they go to
try to rescue the woman to which Larry fled but the woman survived and was able to later describe him and furthermore
one of the hunters Trevor knew Larry's name it was somebody he knew it turned out that Larry had a history
of violence toward women including one whom he had tried to strangle but these incidents had never been reported and
Trevor had encountered Murphy in a pub just a week before this where a female friend told Trevor that Murphy was
frightening and creepy yeah when guardi showed up at Murphy's home after the rape and attempted murder his wife asked
what was going on and the guardian to which I'm sorry Murphy responds I raped a girl last night Larry
was arrested convicted and sentenced to 15 years however he only served 10 years
and was released in 2010 moving around Europe until he was inevitably recognized and then moving on he was
living in the Netherlands with another convicted rapist when the media tracked him down and so he moved on again
apparently sightings of him even false ones by residents of various small towns have caused near
Mass hysteria because of Murphy's connection in the eyes of the public to the missing
women it is believed that he has returned to Ireland at some point and is living somewhere with his head down and
unbeknownst to his neighbors now Murphy is considered to be a very very serious suspect for Annie's
disappearance as well as some of the others by the Irish press at least for a few reasons one
and it it seems that he was living in the area at the time two his known motive was to abduct rape and affixiate
young women walking alone in daytime committing his heinous acts in the Wicklow mountains where it is believed
that Annie possibly was heading on that day in question right Murphy fits the description of the man allegedly seen
with Annie at the pub he has been described as having boy next door looks also Murphy made some comments during
his interrogation that betrayed the fact that he had likely done this before when being questioned about the young
woman he was eventually convicted of attacking he says quote well she's alive isn't she she was lucky
this this almost giving off the impression like there might be others that have not gone away scenario where
you have a bunch of people going missing stops yeah so that's why a lot of people
believe that he's connected to more of these cases and like you said I I think you can you say all eight are connected
or all 15 are connected I think that would be irresponsible but are a handful of them connected very
possibly in this Murphy responsible for them maybe three of these yeah very possible it seems like he's a serious
serious suspect in the Deidra Deirdre case as well right um something like later many many years later
they found his phone number was believed to be in the possession of Deirdre right at the time that she went
missing but of course you know you can't put these things together at the time uh
this was not figured out until much much later so he's a serious person to consider not only an Annie's but in two
other cases as well uh the FBI profilers do say Larry fit the the profile of the
probable person responsible for possibly even several of these unexplained disappearances I do want to go a step
further though here because we say he resembles the description of the man at the pub I don't believe so we also say
that he fits the the FBI profilers profile of the probable person right both of those scenarios a lot of people
fit both of those the description and the profile yeah but if you look at the sketch they made and you look a picture
a picture of Murphy that's not the same person not saying that the sketch is correct I'm just saying I don't if I
think if you compare the sketch to a picture um it's not the same guy when this dude
was in lock up the beast when he was on lockup apparently he told some other guy
that he did Kill Deidra Jacob right that he lured her into his car and killed her
but I do want to point out the guy that comes forward and says hey he told me this this is also another
convicted murderer so I think it's easier to believe that person on Reddit who says that taxi cabs were not that
common back in 1993 in this area than to believe somebody who we know has murdered somebody but it's a possibility
sometimes these guys get locked up they get behind bars and they start trading War Stories so to speak
and um even in some ways living out a little bit of a fantasy by telling these stories or hearing
these stories before we move on here Captain I think it's important to point out that our
expert that we keep referring to and expert is the perfect word for this gentleman Alan Bailey he says he does
not agree that Murphy should be named as a suspect in all three of the cases that
we keep referencing this is Annie Deirdre and JoJo's case he told the Wicklow voice quote it's
dangerous to name him as a suspect if we say that Larry Murphy did this then people tend to exclude other
possibilities end quote I think that's just responsible I what he's not saying please do not hear what
he's not saying what he's not saying is that he that Murphy is not a suspect he's saying it's dangerous to say he's a
serial killer and we believe him to be responsible for X Y and Z right and then therefore we're not doing our due
diligence and we're we're automatically ruling out other possibilities yeah and another person that has kind of been
brought up in the spotlight as far as the missing girls all eight or all 15 is this guy Mark Hennessey because he
killed a lady in similar fashion Justine Valdez and I believe he ended up there some
people call it suicide by cop right because he was killed he was a father of two and going out in the blaze
of glory he was found meeting these girls on Tinder and but what happens is he looks pretty old
but he's 40. so if you do the math in 1993 he would have been 15. so if we believe that Annie went to this
bar if we believe that at all we have her being reported by seeing with a guy that's 20 late 20s 20s yeah
and yes this guy he's 40 and he's bald and and could he have been prematured bald possibly but
it's just one of those things that Mark was in the news and it was a similar crime and so then people to sell
newspapers go well we let's bring this guy up and talk about the missing curls yeah and I mean if he's 15 that doesn't
you know it doesn't rule him out inside the realm of of serial killers uh 15 is certainly an age that that killing can
start it's rare it's very rare but I think where I have a little bit of an issue with it would be more so the fact
of the it seems like if he was responsible for Annie's disappearance and then he murders in 2018 that there
would have been other things that he would have done between that big gap in time well he got married and had two
kids that's true maybe he was he was busy with that right but it's also weird because the outcome it's almost like
once he knew he was going to get caught I can't live anymore take my life and so
some people point that to evidence that he killed more than one person he was responsible for more things and that's
why he wanted to die I I just don't see it fitting and again I can't rule out the fact that somebody else came forward
to say we helped Barry Annie's body right and that really sticks with me as some like
I said you have to come forward and claim that you did something wrong and you're putting yourself in there's
consequences for that so if they would have done their due diligence if they would have followed this lead if they
would have got the guy maybe he's in America somewhere doing the same same [ __ ] for all we know
but it's like if they would have got the guy the guy that came forward he's going
to get in trouble for something too and that's why I put a little bit of weight onto what he says I also put some weight
into what the bouncer says because I feel like there's a conviction in what he's saying
like I didn't know Annie but once I saw her that she went missing I know that that's the girl I saw that night and
he's been very adamant about it and he has not changed his story now one thing we've seen multiple times
in these types of cases unfortunately is what happens here the mccarrick's divorced about five years after their
daughter disappeared in Ireland Annie's Father John died not too long after that never knowing what became of
his daughter Nancy mccarrick is resigned to the idea that Annie is dead and she has spoken
many times of wanting to have her daughter back at least a grave to visit she told the Irish son quote I'm pretty
sure I'll never see her again my greatest wish would be to be able to take her home to find out what happened
really would be a gift at this point end quote in 2010 Nancy mccarrick was awarded a death certificate for Annie
after court proceedings she brought to have her daughter legally declared dead yeah that same year a friend and
colleague of Annie Marissa mackel wrote an op-ed piece for the Herald newspaper about the release of Larry Murphy she
writes of her [ __ ] that a rapist and attempted murderer a suspect in many abductions someone who has refused any
kind of therapy in prison and who expressed No Remorse for his crimes was being allowed to go scot-free
she laments that Annie was confident and Brash but was also naive and trusting often walking home alone at night after
her shift she writes that Annie told her of her love for Ireland and her convictions that she
that the lovely country was safer than her own the irony did not escape the writer in 2012 Larry Murphy appeared in
a rare TV interview on Irish TV 3's show midweek he denied his involvement in any
of the missing women cases and maintained that if the guard D had any evidence connecting him to the cases he
would have been arrested the woman he raped but who managed to escape thanks to the hunters
invited those two men to her wedding two years later after her ordeal thanking them on her special day for saving her
life according to a write-up for the Irish TV show cracking crime there is a commonly held belief that Annie is
buried somewhere either in the Dublin area or Wicklow mountains in May of 2019 and I don't know what if
anything has come of this just yet Captain but I found this interesting and wanted to include it here
last year the independent reported that FBI profiler John Douglas reached out to
the guard Dee to offer his help in solving the cases of the missing women and again we are stuck here all these
years later in Annie's case 27 years later and we have at least eight missing women
nobody's ever recovered and the the leads are short and the clues in the trail I mean these are all cold cases by this
point do you have one area or one theory that you lean toward or a suspect that you like I know you've referenced the
the IRA thing makes the most sense to me I mean you have an organization that's covering up for people
and and again a guy coming forward that could then be charged with you know tampering with evidence could
be uh moving a corpse there's a lot of charges that he could have been brought upon and I know their systems different
than ours but just because he comes forward and confesses that somebody else did it doesn't mean that he wouldn't be
charged with a crime and again it's just look up how many accusations they have been covering up it's it's terrible well
and I I find that interesting and I like that because there is weight there you know the truth of that theory is that
they're you know be it just a witness or somebody implicating themselves as well
as others at least that's something where with everybody else that's mentioned it's pretty much speculation
there's there's nothing carrying those theories any further or those suspects any further where with with the IRA
thing there is I have something my thoughts my suspicions are total speculation but
there's a problem a big big problem I have with this timeline and with some things that we know
happened okay and if we use a little bit of our thinking caps here put them on tight
and try to figure this thing out I think it points in an in the opposite direction that the investigation went
remember once we have witnesses saying that we think we saw her on a bus right so that drives the investigation all the
way out to the Ennis Cary area and away from her town that she was living in I think the highly suspicious thing here
is the groceries you know she's she's a baker she's somebody that is good enough
at baking she's being paid by the restaurant to provide them with pies and baked goods and things like that
and I just think to my own life all of those refrigerated items that would have been like priority number one for me in
that moment to where I go I feel like something happened to stop that process that she was going about
her chores and her errands for the day and something abruptly interrupted all of that right and then possibly because
she went missing people coming forward saying they want to help yeah and by coming forward it draws the
investigation away and like you said I think there's evidence not just of the grocery store items but the fact that
she had clothes in the washer that didn't get to the dryer um the pie on the on the countertop it
all appears like she's in the middle of a bunch of things at her house where she
should be safe and then all of a sudden all of those things those actions stop so either something drew her out of the
apartment or something took her from that apartment and that really Cuts this timeline in half right that really means
that that a lot of those things that were said to have occurred after the time that she came home did did not
occur that those were not real sightings it also doesn't mean that the IRA story
is wrong it could have just been a different person but we don't have another account of a
missing person that we know in that area so here here's where I go with with that
thought I want to take it a step further I I would love to know the you know when we
talk about these cases there's always like one person in there somewhere that you're like I wish I could sit down with
that person and get their first hand account so I can try to figure out if I believe it to be truthful or not right
or if this person's just trying to help but they don't have great information I would love to talk to this colleague
this person that somewhat knew her or maybe even knew her well that says that they saw her on a bus because
where I remember this is the person that says I saw her but we didn't speak to one another right
they go on to say that that Annie was on the second level of the bus this woman was on the
first she never sees Annie Get Off prior to her getting off right what's missing
from that story is did she see Annie get on the bus because I start to call in a
question if Annie's on the second level and I'm on the first would I have even seen her at all right so that seems a
little weird and where I want to take this a step further where my suspicion immediately goes which I hope that you
know when you have a cold case as we said earlier you go through and you look for leads that were not properly
followed up on the first lead that I call into major question here and maybe it was followed
up on we just do not have enough information to say so one way or the other I question I'm suspicious of this
Plumber guy because he is the one that says I saw her leaving the complex well his statement might only be believable
because later you're believing she was seen at a bus stop and that she was seen on a bus if we can prove that those
other sightings didn't take place why is this guy saying that she left her apartment complex at this time
but she left willingly and left a pie on the counter wet clothes in the wash and
and groceries that require right but Refrigeration but just on the floor right but just because this plumber saw
her leaving the complex doesn't mean she was leaving to get on a bus to go on a hike
so again his story could be completely true as well I'm not saying that it's not I'm saying that that would be the
first lead that I would want to follow up on because there's a chance he's saying he saw her leave that complex
because what he needs for his Alibi or to not be involved is that he needs the investigators to believe that there's a
witness that saw her leaving right but one of the reasons why they believed the plumber is that we have the
next eyewitness saying we saw her flagging down a bus so I I don't know again I wonder true
true but I already pointed out that those are unconfirmed uh sightings it seems like they believe
those sightings to be real or at least one of them but again if if those sightings are incorrect then that's what
that really highlights the suspicion on this Plumber guy because his story becomes believable because of those
other later Witnesses in the timeline if we can prove that something happened to
her before and that she never even went to the bus stop then we gotta we gotta draw a big circle around just that short
time frame it's just it's just like two hours that we have to call in a question
it's very difficult I think we both believe that when you look at all the missing
women's cases that 15 of them are probably not connected eight of them are probably not connected but a handful of
them could be um I don't know if Annie falls into that scenario or not I would argue not
but as far as like this Murphy guy we we have to do something with our system we have to start looking at things
different these individuals these women that are assaulted and raped they're living with scars for the rest
of their life and we're putting such small penalties on these criminals and we know that
these criminals after they become a rapist they're more likely to repeat their offense
and we we need to do something to change that and and I was watching that show um
it was a series of unbelievable and they were saying you know rape is one of the
only crimes that if if you said hey officer I got my bike stolen they just assume you're
telling the truth it's one of the only crimes that somebody then could bats you and says oh
you were raped oh really are you sure you're not making that up they they wouldn't do that if you said
my car got stolen you sure your car got stolen you know so we need to do some things to to change this and one of the
other things is I think if if man could feel the way women do and there was a threat to us
and there was a threat that I possibly could get raped leaving the house then maybe men would take it more seriously
and like you said when you have um they call him the Beast and they just let it let him go
um I think that's ridiculous well and I I don't want to get into I don't know the ins and outs of the
you know the prison system in Ireland but it's a dumpster fire as far as here goes what I can say that has changed
in the years is an individual like that here would have served the full 15. yeah
not gotten out after 10 to get out early and I don't want to say never because we
have seen certain situations you know everybody's so proud of the fact that that Texas is very very harsh and strict
on their prisoners and they're very quick to put in a a speed ramp to to get you to the execution as fast as possible
they they have only come to that because they learned the hard way they were letting out violent criminals back in
the 70s and in the 80s and 90s because of their prisons were overpopulated and at some point they're they're letting
out the the guys that are non-violent offenders and then at some point the prisons are still overcrowded and they
were forced to let out violent violent individuals some of them who were previous murderers some who went on to
murder afterwards so they learned the hard way and now we have the texts that we know and love today
here today what I'm getting at is if this dude the Beast this terrible guy who I do believe is probably guilty of
many more things I don't know if he's responsible for Annie's disappearance but I believe he's guilty of other
horrible acts this individual nowadays here anyway would not be let out until he served the full 15 if he were to get
out early it would be because he did try to rehabilitate himself by taking classes and therapy and so on and so
forth while he was in prison for those 15 years right again though with an individual like this I'd like to bring
up something that John Douglas told us you can't really rehabilitate someone who has never been habilitated in the
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Brief Summary

Annie McCarrick's disappearance in 1993 remains unsolved, with various suspects and theories discussed in the context of Ireland's Vanishing Triangle.

Key points

Annie McCarrick's Disappearance. Annie's mother reports her missing after arriving in Dublin, raising immediate concerns.
The Investigation Begins. The investigation into Annie's disappearance faces challenges and slow progress.
New Suspects Identified. After years, two new suspects emerge in the cold case of Annie McCarrick.
The Vanishing Triangle. A series of mysterious disappearances of women in Dublin raises alarm about a possible serial killer.
Operation Trace Established. In response to the disappearances, Operation Trace was set up to investigate the cases.
Larry Murphy: A Prime Suspect. Larry Murphy, a convicted rapist, emerges as a serious suspect in the disappearances.

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