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let's talk some true [Music] crime unfortunately Amy Baker is no longer with us and 33 years ago someone took
her life after she ran into car trouble on the side of Interstate 95 way back in
1989 now police have been upfront and investigators have been upfront with the public here captain and telling us here
is what happened and the reason why they are telling us in this case and which is
a little bizarre because we've seen in other cases where they tell us nothing about what they know that happened and
still ask us for our help us being the public the old we're going to keep the information close to the vest statement
in this case they're saying here is what happened public now please help us out and you'll see why they are desperate
for information from the public based off of the evidence what the evidence suggests to them in this case so police
have said repeatedly in the case of Amy Baker that what happened that night was that Amy ran out of gas she decided to
leave her vehicle she walked started walking toward the this gas station that was nearby and someone unknown to her
abducted raped and murdered her along her way along the way to getting help for her vehicle we have several reports
that will back up this statement from the local law enforcement the first being from the Richman Times Dispatch
that says quote the night of March 29 1989 Amy Elizabeth Baker was driving South on Interstate 95 when her 1970
Volkswagen broke down forcing her to pull onto the shoulder just south of State Route
617 617 exit in Fair facts police believe the 18-year-old Stafford woman was walking up the exit ramp and had
nearly reached the top about 9:15 p.m. when she was confronted by her as salant she was then forcibly taken into the
nearby Woods sexually assaulted and strangled this again all according to the police another report that backs
this up comes from the Washington examiner that reports on May 29 9 1989 Baker was driving South on Interstate 95
when her car stalled out around 9900 p.m. the 18-year-old left her blue 1970 Volkswagen Beetle on the shoulder and
started walking toward an Exon station on nearby Blacklick Road police believe someone accosted Baker at the top of the
exit ramp and forced her into the woods now note that this time frame right the nine p.m. sighting makes a lot of sense
the police spotted the beetle after 1 p.m. with the hazard lights on but Amy left her aunt's house around 8:20 the
distance between Falls Church in Newington is about 20 miles it should have taken Amy maybe 30 minutes even
with some traffic to get where her car was found it seems that if Amy was seen this is all key to this this case we
have an eyewitness now it seems that if Amy was seen around 9 the timing lines up nearly perfectly yeah and in so many
cases that we've covered the timelines don't line up so it also means that her car was there for we could say quite a
while before it was spotted by the trooper around 10 and and the original report says just after 10 pm we had a
press release that was issued in 2010 note the years right this case takes place in
1989 we have the the police actively asking the public for help in this case we yesterday we cited a 2005 request
from law enforcement to the public asking for whoever called Crim stoppers on April 3rd 1989 with some information
please call us back we are still looking for you we want to talk to you we believe you know something that is of
great importance to this case into this investigation that's 2005 this press release is 2010 so what should be of
note and should be a kudos to the police and and the investigators in this case is that they have actively been working
this case all of these years later so this press release that was issued in 2010 says it's titled 1989 homicide of
Amy Baker and this is now the Cold Case investigation that is happening in her case and the Fairfax County crime
solvers had this news release from the Cold Case investigation in 2010 it says crime solvers seeking information on
Cold Case homicide Fairfax County crime solvers is seeking is still seeking The public's assistance identifying the
person responsible for a homicide that occurred 21 years ago about 9:00 p.m. on Wednesday March 29
1989 18-year-old Amy Baker was driving Southbound on Interstate 95 near Blacklick Road when her car experienced
difficulties Amy abandoned her blue 1970 Volkswagen Bug and walked up the exit ramp onto Blacklick Road toward the
Exxon gas station I believe it's called backlick Road and not Black Lick Road detectives believe that her attacker
confronted her and forced her into the woods near the top of the exit ramp where she was sexually assaulted and
strangled her body which was found two days later was partially buried in some leaves detectives continue to
investigate her death and would like to speak with anyone who may have been in the area at the time of the attack or
who may have knowledge of the incident in addition to the $11,000 cash reward offered by crime solvers a
$26,000 private reward is also being being offered for information which leads to an arrest and indictment in
this case anyone with information is asked to contact crime solvers by phone at 1866 411 tips which is
8477 you could also email at www.f farfax Crim solvers dog or text tip 187 tip1 187 plus your message to
crimes 274637 as always callers never have to give their names or appear in court well
a couple things that I find difficult in this one is that nobody no eyewitnesses that we know of
Saw another vehicle but because this is so close to an exit ramp I Al I often wonder with
this case did the perpetrator get get off the exit park somewhere and then walk back on foot that way they commit
they could commit the crime they could commit the rape the murder and then walk back to their vehicle I would like a
better description of what the officer who spotted these vehicles remember the vehicles that they were asking the
public to call about so a couple things here what this tells me is those even though those are pretty vague
descriptions either that information didn't reach those drivers and they don't know to reach out to
police or one of those drivers does not want police knowing that they were in the
area that night and so what I'm talking about is that 80s Buick and the um Ford Escort that police were asking for I
want more of a description by law enforcement of why are these vehicles of importance okay they were in the area is
what we're told what does in the area mean were they parked alongside the interstate or was one of them seen on
Blacklick Road or were these just simply vehicles that had happened to pass by uh
around the time the other thing that's difficult though too Captain is the vehicles that are in question that the
police are asking about information for those Vehicles we have to keep in mind were spotted by the state trooper
which would have been after 1 p.m. her car based off of the timeline that we've gone through and I know it was a little
repetitive for the listeners there but the reason why we went through multiple reports was to confirm what police have
said always has happened in this case right that around 900 p.m. her vehicle was already broken down out of gas
hazards on she's on foot and they have a witness some kind of witness has told them that she was spotted on foot up
near the exit ramp right so she had made it at least a short distance before someone accosted her those are are their
words and so they have reason to believe based off of this eyewitness's sighting
that she made it pretty close to this gas station before the abductor happened upon her so again that again this is
this is all very weird stuff because I keep going back to how the vehicle was found and it's found in the unlocked
State the the doors were not locked now that could just be simple it could be something as simple as she intended to
lock the doors but for whatever reason failed to do so because the change in her pocket suggests to me her intention
was to call for help and remember she's only about 20 minutes away from her home my guess here if I had to try to
crawl inside the victim's mind here would be that her intentions were to call home ask Dad her mom to come and
meet her her or bring her gasoline because there's nobody saying that she had a gas can which which is a
little weird to me too seeing how this is not the first time that she's run into this
problem but it all indicators to me are that is that she made an effort to lock her personal belong ings in her vehicle
flashers on intended to make a phone call and then be back at her vehicle rather quickly and this gas station's
not terribly far from her car so and and I want to point that out that's something that I think when we attempt
to profile our victim in our victim's movements of that night to me that is very key because I know there's a lot of
people out that out there that are going to say well maybe somebody offered her help and she got into somebody's vehicle
that's certainly a possibility but I would put it at the very low probability based off of two things one if I'm an
18-year-old woman and I'm on the side of the road at night and I can see the Exxon station from my broken down
vehicle I ain't getting in nobody's car I I'm walking to that gas station and two we have what police tell us are an
eyewitness that saw her walking and saw her up near that exit R right so here here becomes another question
though if you're an 18-year-old female and you're walking and you can see the gas station you're not going to
get in a car of a stranger that doesn't mean you wouldn't get in a car of somebody you were
familiar with and I also wonder is where the body was found is that the crime crime scene
because if she did get into a vehicle it's it's very likely that the vehicle became the crime scene and they
decided to drop her back off at this point they would have access to her keys and so they could have unlocked the
door they could have been the ones to put on the flashers who knows yeah I mean it's it's difficult to
say exactly what happened here but we do have the statements of police that seem
pretty definitive in their statements of her car broke down ran out of gas she was walking on foot when she was
accosted and abducted by somebody unknown to her and taken into the woods where she was assaulted and killed there
um again we don't know exactly what they're basing all that information off of we do
know that there was an eyewitness um that that saw her walking but for them to repeat that statement to the
public and then ask the public for help time and time again it sounds to me like
they have reason to be very locked in on that situation the other thing too is and and I know I've said this in a in a
previous episode and somebody tried to challenge me on it but I have reviewed hundreds of cases I've never ever recall
and you sometimes playing the probability and you're playing the numbers here when you're trying to
profile these things but I have never reviewed a case where somebody is abducted sexually assaulted and killed
and then returned to the area where they were abducted from it's to me I I'm not saying it's never
ever happened in the history of mankind what I'm saying is out of the hundreds of cases I've reviewed that it's I've
never come across that once so that being the situation I would put that at uh very very small
probability well obviously technology has changed since 1989 but don't you think because of the
sexual assault because of the rape because of the strangulation that we would have some
kind of evidence to test now to get this you know douchebag to get this murderer off the streets well the answer
to that is I have two answers for you yes and no and as as we will see we'll get into it so luckily we have um some
more information that comes by way of the family and this is really important information to me here Captain because
it's coming from Mary who is Amy Baker's Aunt who was with Amy Baker's mother Sue Mary's the one that that first finds
the body and she posted on a Fairfax message board about the case and I'm going to just read part of her post for
the listeners because it was rather lengthy but here's the important stuff is is as the colonel sees it so it says
quote thank you for your concern and compassion about Amy her car broke down at 9:30 at night and it was dark outside
at the time it is believed she was walking to the gas station to call someone for help but never made it that
far before being abducted I had parked my car at the gas station the morning we started searching for her and you
couldn't see the spot where we found her from there however since she broke down
on Interstate 95 I still find it hard to believe with all of the traffic at that
exit that no one saw her with anyone we know she made it partway to the station before being abducted and
Newington is always a busy interchange Blacklick which is the other Road did go across 95 at the time remember we had CH
said that that area has changed a little bit and we believe she was heading for the gas station on Blacklick near the
top of the ramp the only businesses around that area at that time were the Newington motel and the Exxon station no
the ramp was not icy that night in fact it was very warm for a March night almost like spring we do know she made
it to the top of the ramp and everyone was checked out that worked close to that area that night she never made it
to the Exxon station if she had she would have made a phone call for help and a call was never made she had
relatives that drove tow trucks that's very important and she would have called called them not the first time she had
broken down but in a different car she knew who to call and then it said and then just some
items from my notes here remember that change was found in the pocket of Amy shorts we know this based off of the
police reports and we know that her wallet was found in her vehicle so her aunt is pointing out that
the most likely spot sorry what her aunt is pointing out is likely spoton Amy intended to use the
pay phone at that Exon station to call for help yeah the problem with some of these
cases again is technology because at this point you know today if somebody makes a call well
one they could have a cell phone so they could call you at the side of the road but let's say she made it to the gas
station and made some phone calls I'm sure there was not everybody in her family that she could have called pulled
their phone records to see if she called but because of the change because nobody is is admitting that they heard
from her it's probably more likely like you said what they believe that she never made it to the gas station she
never was able to make a call again I'm putting a lot of weight in the the investigator statements to the public
they're not going to try to mislead us and then ask us for our help we you know as
stated one we don't have anybody saying that they spoke to to Amy via phone that
night and you're right Captain we I'm sure that not everyone that's related to her or um who she may have attempted to
call that the phone records were in fact checked or confirmed that she didn't call them but we also have the statement
that everybody that worked in the area at that time has been interviewed by police so what I'm getting at is we have
zero eyewitnesses that put her at the pay phone zero eyewitnesses that put her at or inside the Exxon gas station this
is a congested area hi trffic area and I also imagine we don't have a ton of people that she's going to call it's not
a list of 30 people it sounds like she would have called her home right or she would have called one
of these relatives that owned a tow truck I'm look I I know that we live in a different world today than we did in
'89 and nobody can remember anybody's phone number because we don't have to these days but I I still can't imagine
an 18-year-old woman knowing the the tow truck relatives phone number by heart I
she's calling Mom and Dad and we have we have from the from the family statement
that they were home that whole night so I again I'm just going to going to have to go off of the police statements to
the public based and based off of what we do know and what is pointed out that that has never been brought to to light
that to believe otherwise that that she never made it to that Exon station well it's so frustrating because one the cops
show up they find the vehicle they don't find her if they do a better search they
find her right away we're able to preserve the crime scene a little bit better but on top of that there's a lot
of missing person cases where the the person wrecks on the side of the road but it's kind of a desolate Road there's
not a lot of people on that road she is on a road where it's a I would say a pseudo busy exit you have a hotel you
have a gas station and especially at that time of night you have a gas station that is
open because this is 89 not every station is going to be open 24 hours or even into the late night so it's just so
frustrating that the cops didn't find her sooner and so frustrating that there's not an eyewitness coming forward
and telling us more information that somebody chances are somebody saw something and just thought maybe never
followed up on it or maybe never even heard about the crime because they were traveling and passing through the area
or maybe they they knew something but they were afraid but either way it's it's so frustrating that you'd think in
this case there would be some eyewitness that that could really put a nail and find this bastard and and get this guy
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much more to get into and so such a frustrating case for the baker family cheers to you Colonel cheers Captain
you're exactly right a frustrating case to the the heartbreaking and frustrating
to the baker family and then frustrating to all involved and look again there were some mistakes made in our opinions
early on in the case a great search was not done of that area and not that I would expect for a great search of that
area to be conducted that night when her vehicle was found but certainly the next
day and certainly given the items that were found in her vehicle I would have expected there to have been a better
search of that area but we can't change that one and two the current day investigators are not responsible for
those mistakes they they are currently Baker's case is very active and again I I only point
that out based off of recent information coming out of law enforcement one and two you see the consistent and constant
effort to ask the public for help we see this as late as 2005 and then again in 2010 and 2011 and even in 2020 so
there's been an effort to keep this case in the media and remind people from time to
time that this case exist and that it's still unsolved and then we went through those multiple reports that were coming
out early on in this case because I wanted everyone to understand the consistencies within those reports again
it seems like police are pretty locked in on the following that Amy pulled over put on her hazards and started walking
along the highway up the exit ramp again we know that a witness saw her walking since we know the timing and that she
made it to the top of the exit ramp that's important the the the the quote that's been made of made it to the top
of the exit ramp but here's the thing her body was found a mere 200 yard from her vehicle so we're sitting here you
say frustrated Captain I agree we're sitting here going what the heck happened this area was not really a
pedestrian area at all but it was a highly trafficked area Amy is walking so did some guy come along in a vehicle
and and and grab her and drag her into the woods or you know if as you pointed out
earlier there's still a possibility that pulls up in a vehicle and he drags her into the vehicle rapes and kills her in
his vehicle and then but again I go to the idea of why why backtrack to the area where the car was found just to get
rid of the body this is right Beyond risky if the killer was in fact in a vehicle did he pull his vehicle over and
chase her into the woods that too is risky right because his vehicle would be sitting there on
the roadside it would have attracted some attention and we do have we do have the
statement from police in 2005 that says police don't believe Amy knew her attacker rather it was believed to have
been a crime of opportunity a stranger on Stranger attack unless the vehicle wasn't a car and it was something like a
motorcycle where he could kind of hide it behind her car right that's what that's what I'm that's the thing that I
can't get around in this case if the perpetrator did have some kind of vehicle motorcycles very interesting to
think about if he did have a vehicle when where did he leave the vehicle during the attack and during the murder
again it it's difficult too because we talked about this in the Nancy eagleson case that we covered not too long ago
tire tracks would be key but you're not finding the body until two days later we
know that there were would have been other vehicles that could have contaminated that area with tire tracks
tire tracks near the body would be of of a bigger concern than tire tracks near where her car was found
the other thing too did we don't know did they dust her car for Prince because we said the possibility
that he could have come back and placed a purse or something in the car right I I think that's the other thing
though too is would she get into a car with somebody she didn't know they say most likely not but it's like what if
she gets up to that exit so now she's inside of the gas gas station she feels a little more safe safe somebody pulls
up and says hey can I help you no I'm I just ran out of gas and the guy says oh well I have a gas
can and now it changes the whole game okay well I could call somebody and bother somebody and
wait right wait all this time for them to get dressed and come you know come find me and they're going to have to get
a gas can or something or we're going to have to leave my car on the side of the
road you see what I'm saying so it's like yeah maybe in Norm normal situations Amy wouldn't get into a car
with a stranger or get into a truck or get into a van with a stranger but what if they're offering
such a simple solution oh I got a gas can we can just go fill that up real quick and put some gas in your car and
you'll be on your way or what if she didn't have a choice what if there's a situation where
she's pulled in or there's a a gun a knife or something that's presented a Threat Level that's presented that she
doesn't believe that she has a choice in the matter yeah it could have been Threat Level Midnight so let's go to
1995 this is going to be roughly about six years after Amy's murder this is when the Fairfax County's four member
Cold Case Squad was formed Amy's case was just one of many that the unit is going to be tasked with solving now as
of 1998 Fairfax County had 71 unsolved murder cases on the books dating as far back as
1964 Fairfax County Police have a good solve rate they are closing More than 70% of the approximately 12 murders that
occur in the county annually so a very good solve rate by Fairfax County there are between 1,400 and 1500 officers on
the force so a rather large Force um detective dick kleene inherited the cardboard box full
of Amy Baker's murder investigation evidence this in 1992 after another detective resigned Amy's case still
generates phone calls to the County's crime solvers hotline and two criminal investigators police continued to
compare the circumstances of Amy's death with other seemingly unrelated but similar crimes around the
country again they're working off of they seem to have evidence that they believe this is a stranger on Stranger
crime So Good by them to be looking at similar crimes not just in their County not just in their state but around the
country detective Klein's experience and the extreme violence of this crime of Amy Baker's murder has led this
detective to conclude that whoever killed Amy baker has a police record believe it or not that's pretty much the
end of what we know for sure about Amy's case except for one thing something you
had asked about earlier Captain there is DNA in this case so in 1999 detective Klein told the Times Dispatch that the
autopsy on Amy turned up DNA evidence belonging to the killer detective Klein has had the DNA reanalyzed and run
through a state database of known offenders the work allowed detective Klein to eliminate five names from a
list of six suspects that he compiled So This Cold Case detective comes up with six suspects
after reviewing the evidence after reviewing the file and working the case for a period of time the DNA evidence
that they have that was collected back in 1989 has eliminated five of those six suspects that this detective
had repeat that again out of the six suspects they had five of them have been eliminated yes
detective Klein after he worked the case he's a Cold Case detective after he had
time to to review the evidence review the file test some things and work the case for a period of time he came up
with what he says is six suspects and he says that the DNA evidence that was collected back then
back in 1989 has eliminated five of those persons from his short list of six suspects well wouldn't that mean they
have one left well there's some there's some problems so when earlier when I gave you the answer of yes and no when
it comes to right don't we have something today that we can test that can lead us to finding this offender
well there's a couple problems and this also creates a problem for the detective's statement that he believes
based off of the evidence of the crime that he thinks whoever would have killed Amy Baker would have a police record so
the offender's DNA is not in codus so what that means is they don't have anybody on file that doesn't mean that
this guy never committed another crime this doesn't mean that he never committed another felony it just means
that from the time that they started that that cotus started collecting DNA offender DNA the DNA that they're
looking for in the Amy Baker case is not in the codus database as we just pointed
out the DNA collected at the time did not match those five other suspects so let's get into the weeds a little bit
and and get into some better detail with this so this is all based off of information that's coming from Fairfax
County Police this says DNA evidence was also collected at the scene but at the time the technology wasn't at the level
that it is today there's no longer enough of the sample left to conduct additional test so basically they've
used it all up the DNA evidence that they had they used it all up the only hope now is that a suspect turns up and
codus at some point or police to discover a suspect who is a match after a onetoone comparison what I'm pointing
out here Captain is that the biological material that's left there's there's no more biological material left so we
cannot go and do a forensic genealogy right but you know think about this it's investigation guy commits this crime in
89 maybe commits a similar crime and 90 when he's arrested for that crime he is then put in prison prison but they don't
take his DNA and then he's let's say murdered later on that year his information his DNA would would have
never been collected and there's so many obviously possibilities of this person being arrested for another crime and
them not getting his DNA that's correct that's that's absolutely correct and so the other possibility that we have
here that we should explore and this is where we need people that know Amy Baker
to come forward this is conversations that should have been had and maybe maybe these conversations took place and
that's why we are where we are today so I think it's probably a an error on my part to say that this is offender DNA
that this is suspect DNA but we certainly see that they're using it to eliminate people
but I don't know where that DNA came from the the reports are that it was collected at the scene where her body
was found that you know and without getting too you know I'm not going to get into
to Too Much discussion of our victim here because we know that she was attacked they believe that she was
sexually assaulted uh that a rape was committed and then she was murdered that's been their statement
so based off of their statements I would suspect that to be the Killer's DNA it's
the it belongs to the the rapist and the killer who are the same person is there
a chance that we could have a situation where there was a consensual sexual encounter leading up to her car be
before her car breaks down I'm not saying you know sometime earlier that day and this has kind of boogered up the
investigation right because there's a chance that she could have been abducted assaulted and killed but
it's not in the traditional sexual SL rape manner that we're thinking of so and I I bring all that messy stuff and
disgusting stuff up for good reason and that is because there is a suspect we we said that has not been
cleared through um sorry and I say that because there is that sixth suspect one who has not been cleared by
DNA so you think that that's pretty easy right but there's also a suspect that the police really like in this
case who has been cleared by the DNA well that's that's pretty interesting so that makes the DNA very confusing here
in the situation right and this this suspect is Melvin Irving schifflet so Melvin schifflet
is a convicted murderer and he has also sexually assaulted and attempted to murder
another victim but thankfully she smacks him in the head with a bottle Dam near knocks him out and she flees the scene
and is later able to testify against him so the sexual assault that he conducted
on these two victims one that was murdered one that he attempted to murder was that he forced the victim to
perform oral sex on him he was unable to perform he's unable to get an erection and yet he murders
the one victim and attempts to murder the other victim and by the way in both cases
strangulation was the method of murder and the method of attempted murder so this is not the colonel just bringing up
a suspect here this is a suspect that is being looked at in this case by the investigators that are working this case
yeah you're not being all willy-nilly or sing along ding-dong so where we see science help in so many cases we can
also see situations where science is confusing stupid science and is not so helpful right but again you would think
that they would have information about Amy's personal life and details of the events of her personal life that led up
to her car running out of gas before she's because the period of time that goes down between her running out of gas
and the murder some of that's going to be based off of science off of the coroner's
findings at the autopsy and some of that's going to be based off of eyewitnesses and who are those
eyewitnesses the eyewitnesses are her family that know the time that she left their
home to travel home her family that she spoke to on the phone that says I'm leaving I'm on my way home I'll be there
soon and the potential witness that saw her at the top or near the top of the exit ramp you are going to include all
of those in your findings and in your statement of making a time of death which they have stated
occurred within 30 to maybe 60 minutes after she left her vehicle we should point out a couple of
things before we move off of this suspect Melvin Irving shifflet so while I've seen to I've seen several reports
that that make him the sixth suspect or an uncleared suspect again the the the clearing of five with the
DNA based off the reports I've seen doesn't clear him in this case right he's one of the five that the DNA
doesn't match but to say that it cleared him is difficult because it seems like he's remained on their list of suspects
based off of his previous crimes the murder that he committed the attempted murder that he he
committed but the DNA doesn't match up so I I we need to point out all angles here especially
when we're talking about a quote unquote suspect here right so we should note that Melvin Irving schifflet he did get
out of prison one month before Amy was killed but one local paper this is the freelance star reported that Melvin
Irving shifflet one of the Region's known Killers now serving time on rape and murder charges was cleared after a
comparison with DNA evidence taken from Amy's body so he he remains a a very confusing suspect in this case and in
this on the list of suspects and we don't have other people being named publicly it's very frustrating and
frustrating probably for law enforcement because so much time has gone by but even more frustrating for Amy Baker's
family and friends and loved ones and to expand on frustration Captain we have a
2014 article again from the freelance star that reports Fairfax police this is detective John frell who is the Cold
Case officer in charge at at the time of 2014 in charge of Amy's case he acknowledged publicly the frustration a
case such as this brings to the family and to police he would not speak at the time specifically about the case in
particular about the condition or the availability of DNA evidence that was recovered from our victim um we pretty
much we got pretty much the same thing when we contacted the Fairfax police Cold Case unit the the email that we
received back was the Amy Baker case is an active case being investigated by our
Cold Case Squad due to the case being active I will not comment on suspect or evidence status at this time we always
welcome the documentaries so that the public knows we have not forgotten the victims and the potential that someone
out there listening will come forward with new information if you saw something say
something or if you've heard something say something this case is solvable this case is very solvable and it's one
captain that there there are some local rumors and such that that we didn't feel would be appropriate
to review here um for reasons that we cannot get into at this time but this is a case that you may find us revisiting
on off the Record at some point as as Clarity comes forward in some of this information that we are currently
sitting on again like the captain says if you if you saw something say something if you know something that's I
think that's the the other thing that we need to point out here right a lot of time has expired
between the time that Amy was killed and today somebody likely has told somebody
something along the way something that they did back in 1989 something that they're not proud of something that they
they may even be scared of uh somebody that's been looking over their shoulder all of this time so if anybody has said
anything to you uh over the years and you know something help this family out please please help this family out help
them find some peace right it's been a long time and Sue Baker and the the wonderful Baker family they deserve to
to have some peace and to get some justice for their daughter who never made it home that
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should have recommended this book when we covered that case because there's an interview with Kenneth mcduffin here and
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This week we review a cold case out of Virginia. One that sadly sounds familiar. On March 29, 1989 - 18 year old Amy Baker was driving home from a relative’s house. Her blue 1970 Volkswagon Beetle ran out of gas and sputtered to a stop alongside Interstate 95. Amy was traveling southbound on the interstate. Her vehicle was found a short time later by police near Blacklick road. Amy was killed by an unknown individual a short time later. Police asked for the public’s assistance in this case early on and are still seeking the public’s help to this day. If you saw something that night, if you have heard information about the perpetrator or the events of that night, please contact the Fairfax County Police Major Crimes and Cold Case Bureau at 1-703-246-4525.

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Brief Summary

Amy Baker was abducted and murdered in 1989 after her car broke down; the case remains unsolved despite ongoing investigations.

Key points

The Mysterious Case of Amy Baker. 33 years ago, Amy Baker's life was tragically cut short after her car broke down.
Eyewitness Accounts. Police have received reports suggesting Amy was seen walking before her abduction.
Cold Case Investigation. The police continue to seek public assistance in solving Amy's cold case.
Frustration in the Investigation. The lack of eyewitnesses and timely police action adds to the family's distress.
DNA Evidence Complications. Detective Klein reveals that DNA evidence has eliminated five suspects but leaves one still in question.
The Confusing Suspect. Melvin Irving Schifflet, a convicted murderer, remains a suspect despite DNA evidence clearing him.

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