Off The Record /// A Victim's Brother | Forensic Files

[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] so I had this fantastic phone call the
other day Captain I talked to a guy named Bill Thomas who is somebody that we've mentioned on our show we talked
about him during the Colonial Parkway Murders episodes MH because he is the brother of Kathleen Thomas who was one
of the uh female victims in the first attack what is considered to be the first attack and first off I have to say
man it was weird cuz Bill and I traded some emails back and forth um just kind of little friendly chitchat emails back
and forth cuz he runs the Facebook page for the Colonial Parkway murders so like
if you want to know more about that case than what we covered that's where you go
because Bill is like the expert on this case not only not only is he a victim's Advocate and a family member of a victim
but he's an expert on this case so I thought hey I'll reach out to him just to see what's doing right and he he he
was interested in coming on the show in advance and so things didn't you know don't always work out TimeWise yeah I
heard he Al he he also doesn't like the captain no that's joking I actually you know what's weird is um well not weird
but he doesn't like you he likes me I would hard be I would think it would be hard to find too many people that bill
does not like he was like the nicest guy super super funny super intelligent dude
and but what was great was you know I told him I said look first of all this is a big case I don't know how we're
going to jam it all into just two episodes yeah we we kind of talked later that it probably should have been four
episodes and I think you know he agreed with me and I said so here's let's do this why don't you listen to our
coverage of it and if it's like terrible if it's great if it's mediocre whatever
if you want to chat we'll chat after the fact you know I I want to hear what you
have to say I was looking forward to talking with him and so I get the phone call and he goes uh
he goes hey Nick I want to apologize to you this is what I'm talking about this is the nicest guy this is the first time
we ever speak on the phone and he's right out the door he's coming out with an apology yeah and I said uh okay Bill
what's what are you sorry for and he says I was at crime con and I was meaning to go over and say hi to you and
the captain and I never did and I said well that bastard well I you know he was there there on on part of his sister and
the other victims uh in this case and he was there highlighting this case and putting the spotlight on the Colonial
Parkway murders yeah because he was involved in a documentary that came out last year regarding that and I found it
interesting out of all the people there to go talk to that he wanted to come over and say hi to us so I thought you
know this guy's Bill's awesome and I told him I said look man one thing that I hate about crime con okay this is
going to oh God there we go this is a good thing this is a good thing to hate okay so when you and I are there mhm we
have to work work Network whatever you want to call it we we hang out in podcasters row and we are there at
certain times we are told to be there at certain times so we get to meet everybody that we love and want to meet
and you know anybody that come to Nashville that wanted to see Nick in the captain there were opportunities to do
so yeah that's Our obligation we sign up and there's certain times of the day that we have to be in certain location
and that's that's the deal well and then to to up it a notch we even did like some meet and greets and some meetups at
different times as well that were not you know technically a part of crime con it was a little bonus you know if you
wanted to hang out after hours or something get a beer that kind of thing so but I told Bill I said the thing I
hate about crime con is this crime con is something that I would go to as as a listener or as a reader or as somebody
that watches True Crime on TV right true crime nut right it's something that I would want to attend now I'm there to
work so I don't have I don't have a lot of time to go around and check out every
exhibit every appearance that's made every presentation and bills was one that I really wanted to see that you
know when I got the schedule I went through and I highlighted a handful of things each day that I'm like this is
can't miss this is can't miss don't miss it guess what we got there we worked our
butts off I missed half of that stuff well and the other problem though too is that there's so much Afterparty stuff
like every night is just drinking and having such a great time that to wake up the next morning sometimes a little
little more difficult in our old age so he apologized for not saying hi to us I apologize for us not having said hi to
him and he said look um got a project that I'm working on can't really talk about it but there's a good chance that
I will be at the next crime Con in New Orleans next year and I said look I got a couple projects that me and the
captain are working on I can talk about them because it's true crime garage and off the Record and everybody already
knows about it and we're hoping that that means that there's a good chance that we're at crime con next year as
well so we agreed we agreed that uh there would be a sitting down a meeting of the minds uh to have a drink and talk
about this case a little bit more but well we like the cut of his jib that's right right and I tell you what the the
thing here is I really wanted to talk to bill because there was several newspaper
articles and online articles that came out not too long ago because he had mentioned he said to somebody and I
can't remember who it was I think it was just some like local newspaper or some kind of local small deal news station
and he said look the um we are we're confident when he says we he was referring to the victim families he says
we are confident that there is DNA in three of the four you know well-known cases right and when when people think
about the Colonial Parkway murders in a way you got to think about him kind of like you would like zodiac or Jack the
Ripper in a sense that there are there's a certain agreed upon number of cases that that we believe Jack the Ripper
actually killed those these people and I believe with with Jack it's the canonical five and then you have the
Zodiac okay so there there's certain victims of the zodiac that everybody seems to go okay these are all zodiac
attacks for sure and then there's in both cases with Jack the Ripper and uh zodiac there's debatable ones there's
there's ones that are outside that set number that you can go okay maybe he started killing or attacking before and
if he did maybe these ones are linked to the series or maybe he started killing after never stopped right well then
maybe these are connected to the series the Colonial Parkway murders case is so strange in a sense that it seems like
there's four major double hom two you know four double homicides that are tied to this case commonly tied to this
case but nobody can say for certain that even those four are part of the series right and then you have cases you have
murders before and after that are all debatable if they're part of the series series and so you know we talked and
talked and I said bill I I'm glad we got to talk after the fact because I was a little confused by your statement I said
I wanted to know do you mean that there's three there's DNA from three of the crimes and and you mean three out of
the four known crimes or we talking three out of the possible eight or nine crimes and he cleared that up a little
bit he said look I'm I'm referring to three out of the four okay okay so three out of the four we have DNA evidence do
we know if that evidence is the same DNA no we don't that that's the other thing
um You' think they'd be able to run a test just to say okay out out of the three out of the four crimes we have
three DNA but that DNA matches all three crimes well let me stop you because what
I mean by that is when I say we don't know I mean we the general public I'm sure somebody I'm sure maybe the FBI or
the state police they may know for certain right but we don't know we've not been told that hey all three of the
that's the same and on top of this to be perfectly clear Bill's statement is that we have
DNA from three of the cases that could be from the perpetrator could be from the
perpetrator so DNA in three cases and some of it or all of it may not even be from the person that committed the
murders right okay so and the reason why I wanted to talk to Bill about this was
because he kind of came under Fire uh and what I mean by that is a bunch like news stations from all over especially
Virginia wanted him to sit down and do an interview they were treating this like it was some kind of breaking news
and everybody went crazy and started you know because of the Golden State killer
being caught right everybody wants to be the first one or to make sure that hey if there's going to be something that's
that's finally solved all these years later 31 32 years later that if it's going to be solved we want
to make sure we cover it we want to make sure we talk to the people on the inside
and we want to be a part of it cuz it's going to be big news right so all these people are contacting him and he says
look I need everybody to calm down this was a tweet that I sent out chill out and this is the same thing I've been
saying for years it's this is not breaking news this is my statement's the exact same that it has been for years
and so I found that very interesting because had not seen that reported anywhere until he you know until
recently when that started flooding the news outlets so it was interesting to have
that DNA conversation with him and he this guy Bill's like a genius on the on the DNA stuff he's really been studying
up on it and he did point out an error that that I had made on our show when you and I covered Christy Merrick yeah
who was solved by the genealogy DNA where the the parabon nanu lab got involved and they helped solve that
case um we had a long discussion about that and when you and I were talking about that case when we covered it you
had said hey this is very similar to what they did in the Golden State killer situation and I think I I said something
to the fact of um no it's the exact same situation it's the exact same technique
and it's the same company parabond Nano Labs right and Bill corrected me he said
was Nick that was not parabon nano Labs that did that that was and I think their
method was a little different as well I would guess that it would be yes uh but okay so side note because I was thinking
about this the other day I was hanging out with my buddy Morgan and we're talking about these unsolved cases that
they have DNA mhm so now this going to sound strange but you know this a free space safe space right
I I'm allowed to say some of my weird thoughts on the show okay does it make it less interesting like for the crimes
we have a lot of these unsolved crimes like take Golden State killer that was a case that you could sit down and
investigate and wrap your head around and there was multiple suspects that you'd have to sift through and kind of
come up with your own conclusion if this some if was this a suspect that made any
sense or maybe it didn't now we get these DNA from these cases and and yes I I I want the case
solved but it almost makes it less interesting if that makes any sense in the sense that if we have DNA and we
know the DNA is of the perpetrator we know the DNA is of this serial killer or whoever right that we all we have to do
is now run it through the system and it's going to lead us back to somebody and the case gets solved and yes that's
what we want we want Justice we want you know the victims to to eventually have some peace but as
far as somebody that's investigating these crimes you see does that make any sense why it's so as an investigator
it's like why put forth the effort if we can find DNA that's how we will ultimately catch this guy right I mean
it's just like with the Zodiac like do we have DNA of the zodiac I don't believe there's any DNA of the zodiac so
I there never has been reported DNA there's a partial thumb print or partial fingerprint in the taxi cab where uh
Paul Stein was killed right but they don't know that could be from from anybody yeah somebody the so here's
here's the claim that I'm going to be making like I said before we're in the Golden Age of going to be we're going to
be able to solve these cases that are years and years old as long as we have DNA we got DNA we'll run it through
system we're going to find our guy they're going to be charged with crime if they're still alive if not we're
going to know the answers but here's my other prediction the cases that we don't
have DNA on people are going to double down on investigating those cases armchair detectives well okay so a
couple things could happen here with this new technology there are there's good reason
to believe that a lot of old cold cases could be solved and what's going to happen there is
cases where you don't have DNA guess what that frees up that frees up some of the detectives and some of their
workload to revisit those other cases to have time and resources to spend on those other cases that don't have DNA so
that's very likely too that we could see an increased uh solved and conviction percentage in cases without DNA now with
DNA it's still not like um it's not like shooting fish in a barrel here so if you
got DNA mhm okay like so with Christy Merrick for example they had DNA they send it to
parabon Nano labs and then what they do is it's about a 50/50 chance that they're going to be able to come up with
any kind of any kind of match at all and it's not going to be a match to the killer very unlikely that it would be a
match to the Killer really what happens is when they send this into parabon arabon if if it's a successful test then
they come back to investigators and they say look here's a family tree mhm somewhere inside this family tree is
your DNA is your guy it's your killer right and so then they have to police have to do old school detective work and
investigate that family tree to lead them to the right person and then once they think they've honed in on the right
person then they have to go collect real DNA from this dude mhm and determine if
it matches what was left at the crime scene and so in the chrisy case of Christy Merck they discovered a u a
water bottle that the man had used and and a chewed piece of gum that he had used they tested that to come up with
his DNA and to match it to theirs so there's this whole debate right now going on well of people saying well is
this is this the first step in us giving up our privacy is this you know are they
taking our privacy away from us so first of all to be very clear um they are well yeah but but if you if
you are willingly okay MH okay let's take my family tree for for an example let please don't if my let's say my
uncle MH wants to find out where he's from and and Trace back his roots as far as he possibly can so he submits his DNA
to a website right and he before you know before he gets too old he wants to know about his family treat a lot of
people are doing that and the thing is though what is the Privacy rights on this
because what what do I have to believe that be he willingly submitted his DNA right
part that's part of my DNA too though so am so whose rights are we infringing on
are you infringing on my rights because you willingly gave your DNA that connects you to me
to somebody for a purpose right or is that is that taking my right of privacy away but then why wouldn't we say no my
uncle has the right to find out his genealogy to to trace his roots so well eventually it's going to
be like your uncle wants to find out stuff about his Heritage and you're going to have to sign off on it I don't
I hope that doesn't happen and actually to be honest with you if people want more cold cases to be solved
then submit your DNA right cuz if we all did we would be able to wipe a lot of these old cases off of the books and get
think about this get murderers off the streets well what if we set up our own like DNA like collection based uh right
it had nothing to do with like the family tree you don't you submit your DNA right M we're not going to tell you
anything about yourself but we call the DNA company like something like um and in Every Family Tree there is a
piece of [ __ ] you see what I'm saying there likely could be yeah so we just have
people submit their DNA they don't have to pay anything and then that way we can
start collecting the data so we can solve these cases well so here's the other thing too because I I did quite a
bit of studying up on this because I want to know what I'm talking about as this goes down and and you've heard me
say this before several times Captain that I I believe this is we're just going to
see I Google solved Cold Case about every other day now just to see what's going to come up I'm hoping you know
every day I'm hoping to hear a new one especially a case that we've covered a case that I'm well aware of uh or cases
that are even close to home here in Columbus or in Ohio or to victim's family members that we've talked to in
the past you know so there's a long list of cases that I personally want to see solved for personal reasons
now the one issue could be remember I said it's about a 5050 shot well it gets a little worse when it comes to uh
minorities okay so you you might even have like a 30% chance of finding a match when we're talking about like
African-American uh individuals and then even less than that with other backgrounds and the reason being is that
um predominantly white people and Caucasian people and European of European descent are mostly using these
genology sites so and the other thing too which is completely reasonable you know African-Americans
have not always got a great Fair shake from our government from our country from even law enforcement so it's easy
to understand why they might be hesitant to want to submit their DNA so willingly
and um when it could be turned around and used against them yeah you know I mean
that's with everybody but I think more and more people are looking back and trying to figure out uh where they came
from and I think there's a lot more interest in that I mean you see a lot of shows uh on on PBS and stuff where
that's all it's about is your roots and so fascinating from the most fascinating
thing is when the family story is that they're from here or there and once they get back their their test they find out
they weren't from there from a whole different part of the the the world well and I asked Bill uh specifically about
certain things in the case and I really wanted to know things about his sister's
case Kathleen Thomas's case because I thought he might have you know obviously he he should or would have more
information about that than the general public and so I asked him I said okay now we're saying there's DNA or possible
perpetrator DNA from three of the four cases right I said bill is is your sister's case one of those four cases
because remember she they had found hair in Kathleen Thomas's hand yeah and he said look the F this is what we've been
told that there's DNA it might belong to the perpetrator it's from three out of the four cases and they're not saying
which of the three out of the four now the interesting thing here though is if we're only looking at four of the cases
and not eight or nine of them well we have we have one case where the two people disappeared completely they've
never found the bodies right so You' assume there' be no DNA in that case right I I would think the likelihood of
DNA in that case is is significantly less than the other ones so maybe his sister's case is one that they have DNA
from but again bill you know said we don't know for certain if that hair belongs to a victim or to the
perpetrator the you know the the FBI has never told them that the heck the FBI might not know
themselves and so it was interesting to talk with him about the case you know I I'm always interested to hear what the
families think I always find it interesting because I think there's something to do with the with the
mother's intuition uh or with with a father protecting his children or with a husband or wife somebody very close to
the victim because because like John Douglas says the first thing to understanding uh the perpetrator of a
crime is to understand the victim what was you know you really got to have a good knowledge of the victim to try to
form a picture and paint a picture of who the perpetrator could be because you need to come up with the idea of how did
the perpetrator come into interaction with this victim we know they interacted at some point because they there was a
murder right but was that their first interaction and if it was why was that their first interaction if it wasn't
their first interaction how do they know each other you know so well this one's tougher too because you you kind of
assume that well maybe not assume but it's more likely in these four murders these four double homicides that this
was the first interaction between the killer it could be it could be it could be and but I'm just saying in this
scenario because because it's off of Highway that just seems more likely so I I wanted to get his gut feeling and and
and I'll tell you why because there was an interesting conversation that I had a
few weeks ago with some people and we were talking about the Amy mahalic case and I was talking to someone that had
recently spoke to Amy's father now Amy's mother's sadly not around anymore and now we have her father all these years
later still does not know who killed his daughter and the question was when this is
solved what do you think will come to light out out of this what do you think will be you know where will there be
like an aha moment for you right and Amy's father Mr mahalic said what I what I've always kind of thought would be
that when we find out who did this that after I I I can kind of settle down and after the smoke kind of clears that I
will have some memory that there's some kind of I've seen this person's face before right there's a connection
there's a connection I may not know the person well maybe I will but there will be some kind of connection and he goes I
think it will be a face in the crowd type situation and once it's all said and done after I've had a couple of days
to soak it up soak it in and realize what's going on I will remember that face at some point could be somebody I
used to work with could be somebody that you know an old neighbor or somebody that lived in in another neighborhood or
a store that we shopped at so I asked bill that I said look when when this case is
solved what do you think will come to light and the problem with this though is remember remember we said when we
covered that case that hey if one of these gets solved don't be surprised if there's no domino effect don't just
expect it if one gets solved the other three are shortly behind it right because I don't think that is the case I
don't know that there is a connection in every single one of these four but he said you know what I think Nick I think
that that when this comes to light that there will be some kind of Link there will be some kind of connection to the
Killer and a victim or a killer in the situation yeah um who knows what case that that link will be a part of I asked
him if he thought uh that they were all connected he said look that's tough that's tough he goes I think I think
several them are connected all of them could be he goes my but when he's talking about all of them he's talking
about the four the four just the four okay yeah and he said he said I think that several of them are connected he
said that there's several law enforcement uh members that have told him they strongly believe that all four
of them are connected I I believe so so yeah he thinks that there'll be some kind of some kind of Link somewhere and
the other thing too you know I said well do you think this is law enforcement or somebody pretending
to be law enforcement and I remember we talked about the Waterman Theory the Waterman Theory as well uhuh he said he
kind of likes the Waterman Theory uh and he thinks he thinks that there could be
some kind of flavor of this person pretending to be law enforcement because of all the obvious things we stated when
we covered the case you know the the open glove boxes the rolled down window uh sometimes it appears that the victim
was even providing identification to whoever either pulled them over or Came Upon their car but he doesn't think that
in most these situations or at least one of them that it was always a situation of the perpetrator just stumbled upon
the victim you know what I mean go into detail there what do you mean like that that they either knew the
victim beforehand or they're stalking somebody well that's what what he's saying is that there would be some kind
of link to to at least one victim what he's saying is I don't think that this was a situation where there's a Madman
out on the road driving around looking for somebody to kill or on the water and then all of a sudden he goes oh look
there's a car I'll go kill them yeah the Waterman theory is so crazy right yeah but not but like but
not farfetched it's so crazy because it's like oh that makes a lot more sense because I always wondered like about the
moving of the car you got um in multiple on mult multiple of these crimes you have the moving of a car mhm
or moving of this or that and you and to me the problem was if it's a lone offender the problem
is moving the car right and then you got to get back to your car I mean think think about when you when you go out on
a Friday night you're like you know what better Uber at home tonight well that's
no problem but the problem becomes Saturday morning when you got to go pick up your car
that requires you to either Uber back it requires you and another person and another means of transportation to get
you back to that car right yeah and so if it's a lone offender that's why I always kind of thought it was two people
because it'd be easy to move around and you might move the car and then your buddy follows you even yeah even if one
of them's more of just a lookout guy maybe one of them's not super involved in the murders other than the moving
around part yeah but the yeah that the tough thing about that for me has always been that you have to be roughly the
same kind of crazy and you have to find that same kind of crazy friend well and you also have to what
you double down on you double down on the risk of getting caught because if if you and I went out and committed some
terrible crime not saying we did but if I I have to now I I can keep my mouth shut but I got to worry hey is he going
to tell somebody and same same for you you you double down on chance of getting caught just by the fact that guess what
Nick might go sit in that bar remember I had to Uber home on Friday night but before I ubered home the reason why I
ubered I was so drunk that I started telling people at the bar some [ __ ] that I did right and then on top of that I
mean I'd have to worry about if you're going to like talk about it on a podcast or something so maybe it's not two
people cuz we're talking about 30 to 32 years ago these four crimes bill was awesome too he he he can he corrected me
on something cuz when you think about it I think wait real quick did he does he think it's one person or two people oh
um he goes back and forth on that and and and to be honest with you a lot of the theories he kind of goes back and
forth on it but yeah but that's because he's an intelligent person he's a smart dude he he's not willing to rule
anything out here's what drives me nuts and I've been telling you this for the last I think 8 weeks is these sons of
[ __ ] that are true crime experts quote unquote quote and they get some Theory up their ass they're not experts
if they if they are just there to spout out a theory well they're not experts but that's why I said quote unquote
experts and they get some theory that stuck up their ass and no matter what you tell them no matter what evidence
comes out they never Chang their story where I I believe you know intelligence starts with the idea that you possibly
could be wrong and so um from what you were saying about Bill and and from what I've seen I like the people that say hey
maybe it's one maybe it's more the evidence will tell me that you know and so the evidence will let you go back and
forth if that makes any sense well I would say bill is similar to to me and and James rener and and yourself and
others some others that I've talked to but but like you said it's a it's a bit annoying when somebody seems to have
thrown a theory together a very loose Loosey Goosey Theory right and then they're they're stuck on it they're like
this is what happened I'm I'm confident I'm 100% confident that this is what happened ass wipes and I think I think
where rener comes in Under Fire sometimes is that he's happy to share with you hey this is my personal Theory
and I think the way that it gets it gets released to the public or on documentary
sometimes is it looks like he's saying this is the only Theory that's that that matters right and you and I know from
having talks with him renters like me and you where we're happy to spin our heads and spin our tops all night long
going well what if this because of this or why this because of that and it's it's better I think it's more
interesting and more more fun when you're trying to deduce these things to say to not rule anything out and to say
well what if and why and Bill if you I'm not going to speak for him as to his personal Theory but I know from talking
with him he does have a pretty straightforward direct theory that that he he likes more than others but he's
not willing to rule anything out you know he W he will not rule anything out and he specifically said that to me he
said I'm not going to rule anything out this thing ain't solved and that's why it ain't solved because we don't know
what happened right now he did say captain I found this interesting we touched upon that Williams and Winan's
case a little bit that was the double homicide and the uh shann andoa Park in 1996 and they had they being law
enforcement they had a suspect that they liked in that that was Daryl David Rice
I I don't recall if he was tried and they couldn't get the conviction or if he was arrested and they didn't have
evidence to take him to court I think they didn't have evidence but he had told me he goes look you know I'm not
going to tell you that he's Bill's a cool humble Dude too he's like I'm not going to tell you I'm an expert in any
of of these cases he goes I will tell you I've spent a lot of time on it and I've he said this the case that he's
probably spent the most time on other than his sister's case is the case from 1996 yeah it matches the mo seems more
he feels that way too he feels that that there they're they might not be connected that might not be the same
perpetrator but on the surface they seem to have more in common than the other crimes and so he had said you know I
think you and the captain could do two episodes on that and I'd be happy to chat with you guys and point you in the
right direction and give you some good information CU he said that case has always fascinated him in the sense that
that was the case where they they had a maybe a good suspect right but for whatever reason couldn't solve it and
when it went unsolved when they couldn't bring this guy and put him behind bars that law enforcement just kind of it was
one of those deals where they're kind of like it's kind of solved but not really
well that's what that I mean through our last few years of having a show and and meeting so many
different law enforcement officers and a lot of detectives every detective I've talked to said I have a handful of cases
that I I know who did it I just couldn't get the evidence to prove it and sad too
because those are good guys good girls too good women good men that are that are detectives longtime detectives who
are saying I'm probably going to go to my grave knowing that this person was killed by this other person and I
couldn't do a damn thing about it right and Bill told me he said you know I'm not going to lie to you Nick i'
we we the families of these victims certainly have had plenty of frustrations over the years there's
things that have gone wrong with the cases there's things that are embarrassing from the investigation
standpoint he said but look I've been highly involved in this and he said I'm a blue blood guy I back law enforcement
and he said even though these cases aren't solved and we still have frustrations he said all the individuals
at the at the State Police and at the FBI and anyone that he's met in regards to this case they were all it wasn't
it's not solved for a lack of effort these are people that are trying very hard that they care that they want to
solve this these are all good people he said and I said you know what I I can only think one of one situation in my
life and from our experiences doing this where I walked away from a situation going yeah I don't think that that
investigator cares too much or I don't think that that police officer right really gives a [ __ ] and that's a very
small percentage when you look at it from a ho well but even you know there's been a lot of cases that we know that
the invest investigators actually give a [ __ ] but they're they're just so tunnel
vision and that's you know that's not lack of caring or they're in a big city and they start getting bogged down
with other other cases yeah yeah well I wish Bill if Bill hears this I wish Bill
the best and I hope uh some good luck with the case speaking with him I don't know if
it was just his cheerfulness and how how great of a guy Bill is right but he he renewed my optimism in this case after
you and I covered it I really didn't see much hope for it I just kind of felt like 30 years is a long time yeah it 31
32 years of a long time but you know like you said talking to bill there's seems like there's a quite a bit of DNA
evidence and with this new technology and the new investigative tools that they have with this technology I I think
we're going to have a break maybe in the next year well with the advancements in
technology the the families have said look we're we're we have renewed optimism in these cases now too
hopefully next year at crime con we'll we'll be cheers to this case being solved with Bill yeah yeah and so many
of these families have worked so hard for over 30 years to keep this case alive and it's one of those cases man if
you Google uh Colonial Parkway murders like I said if you want to learn more about it go to that Facebook page but
you can Google it every so often and new stuff comes up there's somebody reporting on it there's somebody
covering the case it's not been lost on the community this is something that uh like you said hopefully we're sitting
with Bill a year from now and we're raising a three glasses with a big cheers because we've had a
[Music] [Applause] break

Off The Record /// A Victim's Brother

OTR 15

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Brief Summary

Bill Thomas discusses DNA evidence and ongoing investigations into the Colonial Parkway murders, emphasizing hope for future breakthroughs.

Key points

Bill Thomas's Apology. Bill Thomas, brother of a victim, apologizes for not meeting at Crime Con.
DNA Evidence Discussion. Bill reveals that DNA evidence exists in three of the four Colonial Parkway murder cases.
Collective DNA Submission. The narrator proposes that if everyone submitted DNA, many cold cases could be solved.
The Mystery of DNA Evidence. New DNA evidence may link three of four cases, raising questions about the perpetrator.
A Father's Hope. Amy's father believes he will recognize the killer when the case is solved.
Renewed Optimism. Advancements in technology give families hope for solving long-cold cases.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I thought, hey, I'll reach out to him just to see what's doing, right?

The narrator reflects on reaching out to Bill Thomas.

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Tension

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