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talk some true crime [Music] where we left off yesterday Captain Lori valow has upped and moved with her two
children Tyle Ryan and JJ valow to Rexburg Idaho now on September 24th remember she
called her son's school his new school to say that her son will be moving or staying at least in the state of
Louisiana until October 29th maybe longer so JJ will no longer be attending Kennedy Elementary and will be
homeschooled instead on the 1st of October Lori rents a 10x10 storage unit the following day Brandon budro this is
Lori Val's nephew-in-law he is married to Lor's niece Melanie Brandon says when he came home from work
they live in Gilbert Arizona he says that when he pulls into his driveway gets out of his vehicle
someone shot at him he believes that a paintball gun was used to shoot at him he says that he spotted someone driving
a green Jeep Cherokee that fled from the scene Brandon Buro hires a private investigator to get to the bottom of
what could have happened one thing that is learned in this situation a little quick background here
Melanie his former wife she is very much of the same beliefs as Lori she has gone
along with Lori to some of these doomsday events that Lori keeps going to and now we have this incident out front
of their home out front of Brandon's home where someone takes a shot at this guy his private investigators uncover a
whole bunch of stuff but one of the most important things that they uncover is that a green Jeep Cherokee that he
spotted at the scene fleeing the scene was once owned by Charles valow Lori Val's husband previous husband who was
killed in July of that same year yeah so now there's multiple people that could have access to that correct on October
9th Tammy debel this is Chad Dell's current wife she calls police this is after a
masked man attempts to shoot at her in her garage now the way that this story goes
Captain this is nighttime it's after Dark she's coming home from a trip to the grocery store she pulls in the
driveway pulls into the garage garage door still open this man dressed in black wearing a mask runs up to her
points a gun at her and pulls the trigger several times and nothing happens the man his reaction is to flee
the area wow she reports like she even says to the guy what are you doing she doesn't understand what is going on when
she tells police what went down she says I think he was trying to shoot me with a
paintball gun but for some reason it didn't work well that's strange mhm why would you be shooting somebody with a
paintball gun correct doesn't make any sense but it also goes a little bit along with the story that Brandon budro
just said took place about a week earlier where he too thought he was shot at with a paintball gun right that is on
October 9th Tammy debel Chad's current wife says she was the victim of this random weird assault attempt where
somebody pointed a paintball gun at her pulled the trigger and nothing happened 10 days
later you know the old expression Wake Up Dead well that's just what happens to Tammy deel she's found dead in her home
in Salem Idaho approximately 5 miles away from Rexburg Idaho and it's initially ruled that
Tammy mind you she's just 49 years of age at this time died of undisclosed causes purportedly in her sleep Chad
debel her husband declined a postmortem autopsy of course he did and the County coroner did not overrule this
decision so the death certificate reads that Tammy died of natural causes what is wrong with these people what's wrong
with law enforcement what's wrong with these are the people that are supposed to protect us and they can't see through
this malange of [ __ ] well the problem with everything going on here is there's no
way for law enforcement to know that all of these things that are going on all these tragedies all these deaths they
might somehow be connected law enforcement doesn't know that Chad debel and Lori valow have this very likely
relationship that's going on undercover but there are some things that are going to tip law enforcement
off to what might be actually going on here here's an interesting little note here Captain a wedding ring was
purchased on Amazon using the deceased Charles Val's account the ring was purchased for
$35.99 cents on October 2nd 2019 all right so Charles is dead so that means his wife can get married
again Chad's wife is now dead so they can get he can get married again and then somebody purchases on Charles
account through Amazon an engagement ring yes so wedding ring is purchased on Charles Amazon account wait way to [ __ ]
on that guy's grave well and the reason why I'm pointing out this purchase here okay the purchase takes place on October
2nd this is 17 days before Chad Dell's first wife passes away Lori valow paid for the ring on her deceased husband's
Amazon account the ring was delivered to a rburg townhouse where Lorie valow was
living that's really romantic pick out your own ring and buy it well I think that the ring was for Chad oh it was a
male I guess I shouldn't assumed I guess right but what I'm pointing out here is
we don't have any absolute proof of this of what I'm about to say but this to me
would make me speculate that this is what is actually going on seems to me like Lori knew that she would be
marrying Chad if this ring was in fact for him yeah he was currently married at the purchase time of this ring so was
she told by Chad hey I'm going to split up with my wife or does she know that Tammy's going to mysteriously die in her
sleep and then Chad is going to say no we don't need an autopsy because in Idaho they don't they won't do an
autopsy this is my understanding I could have this wrong so this is a state where
they will not do the autopsy unless it's requested by a family member she doesn't
have anybody in her family requesting an autopsy Well Chad Dell's the he's the the husband the Father the leader of the
family yeah but we all we've already determined he's nuts well we've determined that right can
anybody else determine that I mean I'm not saying we're the we're the dumbest guys are but we're definitely not the
brightest and we've already determined that on October wait hold on what about their kids well these are grown children
they've been married for 28 years right but can't the grown children they would have to know something about their
father wouldn't they be able to request this question I the way that it was explained to me yes it appears that they
could request this but again they would have to be suspicious of something if they're not suspicious of anything
there's no reason to make that request but on November 5th now mind you this is about 2 weeks after Chad buries his wife
Tammy on a little trip to Hawaii Chad debel and Lori valow get married yep and they're just smiling
I'll post a couple pictures of it just so you can be angry right right well then we have a
couple weeks go by and there's nothing really to report well this is all going to change and the story is going to get
pretty big with this next event that takes place on November 26th 2019 when the Rexburg Police Department
conducts a well-being check on JJ they go to Lor's townhouse to look for JJ valow because remember his
grandmother and grandfather say the last time we spoke with our grandson was way
back in August yeah we're trying to get a hold of our grandson mind you they've moved off to Idaho but still we've not
heard from him yet well and guess who's not in the wedding pictures neither one of the kids correct
they're not in the wedding pictures and you also have a situation where the relatives of JJ that are calling police
they're not aware that Lori has gone off and got married right what it this timeline and all of these
events they may have sound confusing even we tried to put them together the best way that we could they are meant to
be confusing all of these movements and actions put together and orchestrated by
Lori valow and Chad debel are meant to confuse conf not just you the listeners not just the captain and the colonel
This was meant to confuse anybody that was supposed to care for the people that they were going to harm and
hurt the moving around the doing things in secret doing things behind closed doors all these lies all of these
actions putting people off pushing people away keeping their distance so they don't have to answer questions
about what happened to my father where are these children they just keep ducking
people and providing no answers but on top of that this is her fifth marriage right I mean there's something off about
this woman right right I'm just saying okay sorry you got me there Captain all right what we have here is
wait hold on just to be clear I mean marriage is something that you might do once maybe twice maybe three times maybe
even four times but once you do it five times it's just crossing a line it's unacceptable well this W welfare check
is a big issue it's a big problem because when the police show up and they say hey we've got concerned relatives
that want to know where JJ is We Need to Know Where Your Children Are should we be concerned well they even though
they're told not to be concerned police get concerned because of the answers that they're getting from Lori and I'm
going to give you the short of it because we're going to get into the details of this uh in the second half
right but the short of it is Lori is kind of Cy about her answers right she's dodgy about the questions she says hey
you don't have to worry because my daughter Tae is off at BYU and JJ is staying with some friends
or relatives back in Arizona hold your horses I just want to remind The Listener about something Tae is 16 years
old JJ is 7 years old mhm you don't think you'd want them at your wedding and your other
excuses Tae is at college is that what she's trying to tell law enforcement correct now law enforcement has no idea
about the all of the stories we just went through right all they know is that we have relatives calling from another
state saying this woman moved away with her children and now we haven't heard from our grandson in months that's sad
so police do not like the answers that they getting from Lori and so what they decide to do is you know what we're
going to come back tomorrow with a warrant and we're going to search the home from my understanding Lori and Chad
do not know that police are intending to come back but when police arrive guess what Lori's not there
Chad's not there they're gone they picked up and abandoned all of their belongings and took
off so a once concerned Police Department is now extremely concerned they weren't getting the answers that
they liked the night before and now these people appear to have left the area yeah it's very fishy let's get back
to Alex Cox remember he is Lor's sister in November on the 29th of 2019 Alex he got married and this was to
a woman from Gilbert Arizona they went off to Las Vegas and they got married now we had mentioned earlier Melanie
Buro she was the one who was newly divorced from Brandon Buro who he says someone took a shot at me in my driveway
she marries this guy Ian on November 30th of that same year yeah it's a lot it's a lot to keep track of well here's
where things get even more interesting for law enforcement anyway on December 11th this is after police start piecing
things together they're like wait a second something's not right here something's extremely fishy these kids
are missing these this mother she takes off [ __ ] new husband they figure out [ __ ] they figure out that she marries
this guy oh and by the way they figure out that Tammy died of quote unquote natural
causes less than a month before Chad Mary's Lor so now police are suspicious of her death well and on top of that
have they got to the point of looking into Charles's death no they have not yet here's what
we do have on December 11th 2019 authorities decide to further investigate the death of Tammy deel they
decide that they're going to exume her body we need to figure out if she did in fact die of natural causes or not the
next day December 12th Alex Cox Lor's brother the one who shot her husband in self-defense he says MH Alex Cox dies in
Gilbert Arizona there's a 911 call that is made by the son of his new wife okay it's reported that Alex collapsed in the
bathroom of the home with with his new wife his death is later attributed by by autopsy to natural causes and it lists
blood clots and high blood pressure part of me goes well Karma eventually the universe caught up
to you and was able to correct the wrong but do you think it was something a little more fishy than that I think
something totally caught up to Alex Cox I don't know if it was Karma or if it was Lori and
Chad because all of a these other Doomsday Preppers or these other people that believe in in what they're
believing in these this cult-like mentality you you see this a lot with these herds of people that believe in
the same crazy Voodoo now like you like we were saying earlier with Chad if you didn't believe
what he believed you were on the wrong side what are these people with willing to do did did all of the sudden after uh
this self-defense action by Alex did he start talking bad about Chad did he start questioning what they were doing
and then now he's he's on the dark side and we got to get rid of him I think where the problem if in fact Lori Andor
Chad would be responsible for Alex Cox's death which was ruled to be natural causes right blood clot or high blood
pressure or both isn't it a little too convenient though that he has this heart condition and dies the day after police
announc that they're going to further investigate the death of Chad's Wife Tammy yeah okay so the reason why we're
going off on this weird thing here but hold on there's another layer of this pie not only are they going to go look
into the death of Tammy they're looking in harder to where the children are right correct somebody that's probably
responsible for some of it is Alex so guess whose body just couldn't take it he knows The Jig Is up they're going to get
you I think he died from being scared to death it's possible and before we get into this next bit captain I want to
make sure that I point this out first because it it's it's a the son of a [ __ ] died from being scared to death
that's maybe the first time I ever heard of somebody act actually being scared to
death in February of this year this would be February 24th of 2020 in a child custody court documents Brandon
budro stated that Ian okay so Ian is his ex-wife's new husband Brandon states that Ian told law enforcement that
Melanie his ex-wife conspired with her uncle Alex Cox Lor's brother to kill him okay remember this was the guy that
was shot at in his driveway with the paintball gun well he spots the vehicle that that looks like Charles VA Val's
old vehicle right okay so here's where we need to get into this story Alex Cox all of a sudden becomes the centerpiece
for a lot of these weird mysterious events that are going on was he the person that took a shot at
Brandon in the driveway was he the person that tried to shoot Tammy was he the person that was yeah the MK man
dressed in black that took a shot at Tammy and when your sister is telling you hey by the way I got some money
coming to me you kill my husband I get a million dollars and what if she's just constantly lying all the money hasn't
come in yet and this guy thinks the payday has already happened and now I just got to clean up a a couple other
messes for my sister and I'm going to get all this money but Alex Cox is one who totally believes all this zombie and
Light Spirit dark Spirit [ __ ] he's all wrapped up in that game too yeah that's another motive so what
we have here is this whole speculation by Tammy who reported that she leaves someone came up to her with a paintball
gun pulled the trigger and nothing happened and then fled was she wrong was it a real gun did
somebody come up and try to take her life right then and there on that day and it failed and then she magically
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[Music] that all right cheers mates cheers cheers to the crispiest so we already
said in yesterday's episode that dine would eventually have an episode on this case called where are the children and
that would be the biggest question for a very long time eventually that question
will morph into what happened to the children but I think Captain what we're going to be able to do here is I think
we're going to be able to answer most of those questions fill in a lot of those blanks and at least put together a story
that will show you just about what happened here in this situation now where we left off we have
two kids kids that are missing police are looking for these two kids and when they go knocking on Lor's door the next
day boom she's gone as well so now we have to find the parents the authorities are left with no answers no clues and
they're sitting around trying to piece everything together in this whole mixed up jumbled story so on December 20th
2019 the Rexburg Police Department officially announced an investigation into the disappearances of Ty and JJ
using cell phone technology authorities are able to locate Lori valo they find out that she
is in Kawaii in Hawaii they locate both her and Chad deel when they do they serve Lori with a court order requiring
her to produce the children within 5 days or they will arrest her 5 days comes five days goes Lori misses the
court order dead line to produce the children yeah she doesn't even show up to court right and what they are able to
do the authorities that is they're able to determine that Lori and Chad they bought tickets they flew off to Hawaii
and they did not take the children with them how do they know that there were no
airline tickets purchased for the children they have camera footage there's no the children aren't seen at
the airport or getting onto the airplane right so the law allows them to arrest Lori because she can now be a Char she
can now be charged with abandonment of these two children that you so astutely pointed out earlier these are not adult
children 16 and S years old and by this time Tye would have had another birthday
so she would be 17 at this point okay so what we have here Captain is they are notified that these children are missing
on November 26th that's when they go knocking on Lorie's door then the parents disappear
Lori and Chad disappear it's not until February 20th of 2020 that Lori valow is arrested in Kawaii think about how much
time that is now let's take it back a step further when is the last known sighting of both of these children
wasn't that the the park well we have the park sighting of Ty Lee which took place
in early September 2019 then we have we know that JJ went to school on Friday the 20th of
September so it's time Captain for no more mystery here is what law enforcement says to be the facts yeah
that's of the case put a bow on it law enforcement states that Lori valow moved to Rexburg on or about September 1st
2019 with Tye and JJ and her brother Alex Cox Lorie valow resided with her children at 565 Pioneer Road Unit
175 Cox her brother Alex resided in the same complex initially living in the same unit as Lori and then moving into
his own unit at this would be Unit 107 in the same complex the last verifiable sighting of Tye was on September 8th
2019 in Yellowstone National Park the last verifiable sighting of JJ was September 22nd 2019 in his mother's
apartment in Rexburg Indiana this is by Lor's friend Melanie Gibb who we've already talked about and her boyfriend
David War the police go on to say while the rburg police and FBI have received many tips of alleged sightings since the
beginning of the case none of these tips have led to any verifiable or actionable
information regarding the health safety or location of the two children in question they go on to say on November
26th 2019 detectives went to Lori Val's home this is the condo unit number 175 in Rexburg Idaho to conduct a welfare
check detectives met with Alex Cox and Chad debel outside of the residence Chad acted as if did not know Lori very well
and stated he didn't know her phone number Alex Cox told the detectives that JJ was with his grandmother K Woodcock
in Louisiana which detectives say this is not likely to be true due to the fact that K was the individual who first
called in a missing child report to the police department Alex [ __ ] says that Lori may be in apartment 107 the
detectives went to apartment 107 but the apartment was completely empty and vacant then detectives saw Chad deel
driving a black Chevy Equinox away from the residence detectives stopped Chad and asked him again if he had seen JJ
Chad responded that the last time he had seen JJ was an apartment 107 in October he also admitted that he knew
Lori Val's phone number and provided it to the detectives oh how quickly this story changes well and keep in mind this
man is telling the detectives he does not know Lori but unbeknownst to the detectives at this time the two were
married right they were married in Hawaii yeah now on the same day the detectives spoke with Lori valow in her
apartment this was apartment 175 Lori told the detectives that JJ was in Gilbert Arizona with her friend named
Melanie Gibb they obtained Gibb's phone number from Lori they attempted to call Melanie but they were unable to contact
or speak with her at that time Lori tells the detectives that Tye was attending BYU in Idaho but living there
with Lori now because the detectives were unable to contact this Melanie Gibb they immediately contacted Lori again
after they left the the premises and they requested that she that Lori called Melanie and Lori says
you know what I can't call Melanie she's not going to answer the phone because her and my son JJ they're at a movie
they're out seeeing Frozen too yeah cold never bothered me anyway so she won't answer her phone by the evening of the
26th they had not heard from Melanie Gibb this is when they start to get really suspicious of what's going on and
they get the search warrant to come back the next day and then Lori and Chad are
gone right and Lori and Chad are probably not even clued into the idea that law enforcement would have been
able to get a search warrant that quickly so the way that they get this search warrant that quickly is
eventually they do hear from Melanie Lor's friend right and what they hear is not what they want to hear they hear
from Melanie hey I've not seen JJ he's not staying with me like she told you and I've not seen him in
months she actually calls back on December 6th and add some new information that's even more damning to
Lori and Chad she tells detectives that Not only was JJ not staying with me like
Lori told you but that same night when you guys were trying to get a hold of me and couldn't get a hold of me I did
speak with Lori and I did speak with Chad on two separate phone calls calls Chad was telling me hey the police are
going to try to get a hold of you they're looking for JJ just don't pick up your
phone the other conversation was that Lori told her this is this is even more uh even more weird
she says if you talk to the police tell them that JJ is staying there with you tell
them that you were busy you guys were at a movie and could you take some random pictures of children out in public like
a big group of them from a distance so that we can send those to police and I can tell them hey there's JJ In The
Crowd Oh my God so this is not looking good for finding the children there's levels of horrible people yes but she
just keeps getting higher and higher on the list so there's your confirmation of
whatever happened to these two poor kids it took place before police went looking
for them on November 26th yeah now we'll get a little more deeper into the details here because remember we said
that the last verifiable sighting of Ty Lee was in Yellowstone National Park on September 8th
2019 It is believed that Ty Lee left the national park in her uncle Alex's silver Ford
F-150 they being law enforcement tracked this trip via GPS cell tower connections and Google
account information on Alex Cox's phone they know what time Alex Cox and Ty Lee and the family left the park they went
on to use this technology and they're calling it well it's cellular analysis survey team that they got involed
involved with to come up with this information they call it cast for short and this is something that the FBI was
using helping local law enforcement look for these kids or what happened to these
kids they analyzed Alex Cox's phone and they were able to provide all kinds of locational information that took place
that day as well as the next day and it does not look good none of it looks good
as far as this technology goes Captain this is so Advanced that cast they're super highly accurate on placing one's
phone what location that that phone is they can do it within a matter of about 15 ft meaning that if you are carrying
your phone in your pocket and you show up at a property let's say this is a large property this technology is so
accurate they can tell if you are standing inside the house of that property or outside of the house on that
property can they tell if I have my pants on or not so what's even worse about this situation is when they track
Alex Cox's phone for the night of September 9th yeah going into the 10th here is what they figure out
several times in the middle of the night between the hours of midnight and 6:00 a.m. Alex's phone is moving from his
condo unit to Lori Val's condo unit or apartment whatever you want to call it where she lives with Tye and JJ law
enforcements say that this is significant not only because it was in the middle of the night but because it's
the only time that he appears his phone appears to go over to Val's apartment in
the middle of the night right between midnight and 6:00 a.m. okay at 4:37 Alex Cox's phone goes
back to his own apartment then the next time that we track his phone at 9:21 a.m. there's a reading for a GPS data
point that places his phone behind Chad daybell's home on the east side of the property which is behind a barn that is
owned by the DeBell family his phone places him at the debel residence for the next couple of hours later the FBI
who are now examining Tammy daybell's phone you know she since passed away be it she was
murdered or natural causes the FBI found a text conversation between Tammy and Chad which took place
the day after the last known sighting of Ty Lee in Yellowstone National Park Chad
to Tammy at 11:53 a.m. wrote well I've had an interesting morning I felt I should burn all of the limb debris by
the fire pit before it got too soaked by the coming storms while I did so I spotted a big raccoon along the fence I
hurried and got my gun and he was still walking along I got close enough that one shot did the trick he is now in our
pet cemetery fun times then Chad texts Tammy again a few minutes later gonna shower now and then go write for a while
at BYU love you Tammy responds to Chad good for you and then Chad texts Tammy again at 2:48 p.m. saying I'm back home
now what do you think this means this means they probably buried the body buried Charlie's body behind
the barn so I think what happened here is for whatever reason very likely Lori getting Alex her brother to possibly
once again do her dirty work he takes Ty over to Chad's house while Tammy is gone and what Chad is now doing after
the fact this is this is minutes these texts go to his wife Tammy minutes after Alex's phone leaves his
property what does this story do man this this will explain away any questions that the neighbors might have
or that Tammy might have in advance right I was out here burning wood debris because the storms were going to come oh
while I was out here I spotted a a pest a raccoon mhm shot the son of a [ __ ] and oh if the neighbors heard a gunshot
by the way that's cuz I killed a raccoon and then I buried it so if you see Disturbed ground on our property I bu
buried it in our pet cemetery and it's that not that bad of a story you know it would seem to make
sense yeah but again if you're burning evidence if you kill someone with a single shot and you bury them well the
question you've just explained away everything yeah my question is was it Chad that shot her was it
Alex cuz I don't know with Alex it's like I could kind of understand that maybe you didn't like your
brother-in-law or something you had some issues with him but your own niece like
regardless what kind of pile of [ __ ] are you if we believe all right let's regardless if we believe this fake text
story from Chad to Tammy yeah and we believe what the technology tells us regarding Alex Cox's phone being at Chad
Dell's property then both of them were present for either The Killing and burial of
this child and then it gets even worse here Captain because if you are to look at the evidence and what it points out
to us the possibilities it seems very likely that these two children were killed either by Alex and or
Chad and this thing this whole thing could have been orchestrated by Lor and orchad but it seems like these three
knew what the hell was going on and that these two children were killed at separate times on different days yeah
because that's the only thing that explains away why we saw Tye in early September and then days
later we don't see her but we see JJ we have a verified sighting of JJ and this comes from when Melanie Gibb and her
boyfriend David War were at Lor's apartment okay MH this is what they told police they had an in-depth discussion
with police regarding the weekend of September 22nd and September 23rd 2019 this would be as I speculate uh
what about two weeks after Tye was likely murdered I'm just thinking about that poor seven-year-old boy asking where his
sister is cuz you know they didn't probably pay him much attention or really care too much about him and she
probably did and she probably protected him so Melanie and David both tell police
that when they were there on the 22nd and 23rd they tell police that the last time
that they saw JJ was on the night of September 22nd 2019 now that night Lori valow tells her
guest Melanie and David that her son is acting up so her brother Alex is going to come over collect the child and take
him back to his apartment again in the same complex the last time they see the child Alex Cox is holding
JJ who appears to be asleep with his head on Alex's shoulder this is very troubling because we talked about the
FBI using that cast technology team to analyze Alex Cox's phone or the movement of his
phone well they tracked that phone for the morning of September 23rd the next morning
once again at 9:55 a.m. Alex is at Chad Dell's property he is there for about 15
minutes yeah to make a long story short they end up finding the remains of both of these children in June of
2020 and of course they find them on Chad Dell's property east side of the barn uh the information I have I don't
know how specific it gets but it seems like they were the FBI and local police were snooping around that so-called pet
cemetery on Chad Dell's property yeah it's disgusting yeah and there's some evidence that they went to a
considerable amount of work and effort to try to conceal evidence and cause of death and Ty's body that there that her
body was burned and and um yeah it's just it's pathetic and you know that parents or
uncle or anybody that would do this to their children and for what so you just don't
have the burden of them because they had people in their lives they had family members in their lives that love them
and I'm sure if they would have said hey uh you know if I have to have the burden
of having these kids anymore I'm just going to go ahead and kill them somebody would have taken on that responsibility
or by the by the way their their dad would have but you killed him well that's what it's starting to look like
right once you figure out what has very likely happened to these children that they were murdered dismembered and and
then hidden this is like a triangle of serial killers then you have to go back and you go okay well these deaths that
one that was thought to have been self-defense a couple of others that were thought to be natural causes now
you have to question all of that because you have these three Psychopaths that seem to be working together in cahoots
to off family members yeah and thank God that you had relatives that cared so much for these children that they
reported them missing and several of them plad public for the return or at least hey Lori tell
us where these kids are why won't you say anything and it was only that call to report these children missing that
led to all of this other stuff coming to light to be suspicious Behavior oh yeah
luckily there was people that cared about him enough to start calling or we would never have answers there'd just be
a bunch of questions and then you have to wonder well who's in charge here is this a situ ation where Chad and Lori
and Alex really believed did they truly believe that the end of the world was coming that we're surrounded by zombies
and they needed to rid the Earth of these zombies and did they believe that they relatives the ones that were dying
around them that they were the zombies or is it just kind of convenient that they go you know what I don't want to be
married no more oh I could get a big life insurance policy right or it's they could use this weird defense of well I
believe all this stuff so I was actually protecting my children from the end times well and it's really starting to
look like Alex was either the killer or participated in killing a lot of these people and then you really question his
death as well I really think he died from knowing that he's going to get busted um that that's my gut feeling
there it's possible I what I wonder with all of these heart attacks or natural causes Tammy dies in her sleep an
ex-husband dies of a heart attack Alex dies of something similar is it some kind of poisoning is somebody poisoning
somebody or injecting somebody with something that's causing these to appear to be natural deaths yeah same they
could have done the same thing to the the children as well well and then you wonder did they attempt to do this to
Charles and he fought back right and he was shot in the process and unfortunately I do believe that that
gunshot that was intended for the fake raccoon really indicates maybe the cause of death in one of the children and so
you really wonder how I mean we've talked about a lot of horrible crazy cases on this show over the years and
this is about one of the most evil cases I can think of yeah I mean this puts her
right up there with Casey Anthony and I I was hoping and praying because you also have to keep in mind
too when Lori was arrested she was only arrested because she failed to provide the courts what they were asking for
it's basically contempt of court and she is charged with abandonment of her children because they could prove that
she left and went off to Hawaii without taking her children with her right so she's in jail waiting for trial for this
whole time they still don't know where the kids are Chad Dell's out doing his thing he even appears in court in
support of Lori or if he's the puppet master in controlling everything maybe that's his way to remind her that he's
still in control of her when he shows up for court he's not arrested until they find the remains on his property yeah so
now they've opened up reopened up the investigation into what happened to his first wife Tammy they've started an
investigation as to was this actually self-defense the the death of Charles valow they're really looking and sorting
and sifting through all of this stuff and we're probably going to see trials next year I would believe for both Lori
and Chad yeah I think there's some updating that will need to be done there because there's still some loose ends
like you said who who was the leader of this was it a triangle or was it just the two at the end of the day these are
horrible individuals and I hope they start that nonsense and zombie talk in in prison and I hope those prisoners
just [ __ ] them up just really [ __ ] him up well you also have to wonder too was
was Alex Cox just some kind of tool was he just some kind of psychopath that was
willing to do anything requested by his sister and that he that he was this murderous man right and that he was some
kind of tool for them to use and that they were both the puppet master of this guy and then when it started crashing
down all around them that maybe they killed him off and maybe those maybe he's the only one that those two
actually killed but if you take it and you think about it in that manner then you have to wonder who's who's more sick
and twisted Chad or Lori or is it equal and I'm starting to think that it's equal because I've had a lot of people
review this case and try to tell me you know what Chad was pulling the strings Chad was having Lori do whatever he
wanted to and I don't believe that for a second why because we have that attack on her previous husband that took place
years before she even met this Chad guy yeah possibly but the other evidence is he was married for what 26 years all of
a sudden she comes along and he's just he like becomes a zombie for her you know does whatever he can to to to want
to be with her you know yeah and we also have information out there that even though Lori didn't receive insurance
money from the death of Charles valow that Chad received over $400,000 when his wife tamy passed away
you know I don't know if there's a heaven or hell or anything like that but I I really hope there is so so this son
of a [ __ ] can burn there for a very long time they do have a witness who claims to have heard Chad tell them that
he cannot move forward with his plan until his wife is dead all right once you're done with
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Brief Summary

Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell's disturbing case reveals the tragic fate of her children amidst suspicious deaths and a web of deceit.

Key points

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Suspicious Wedding Ring Purchase. A wedding ring was bought on a deceased husband's account just before a new marriage.
Mysterious Deaths. Several suspicious deaths occur around Lori and Chad, raising questions about their involvement.
The Disappearance of Ty and JJ. The investigation into the missing children reveals alarming details about their parents' actions.
Lori's Court Order. Authorities serve Lori with a court order to produce the children, but she fails to comply.
The Last Sighting. The last verifiable sightings of Ty and JJ raise more questions about their fate.

Episode highlights

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What are you doing?

Tammy's confused reaction during the attempted shooting.

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Tension

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