Tylee Ryan & JJ Vallow /// Part 2 /// 428 | Forensic Files

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let's talk some true crime [Music] where we left off yesterday Captain Lori valo has upped and moved with her two
children Tyler Ryan and J.J valo to Rexburg Idaho now on September 24th remember she calls
her son's school his new school to say that her son will be moving or staying at least in the state of Louisiana until
October 29th may be longer so JJ will no longer be attending Kennedy Elementary and will be homeschooled instead on the
1st of October Lori rents a 10 by 10 storage unit the following day Brandon Boudreau this is Lori valo's
nephew-in-law he is married to Laurie's niece Melanie Brandon says when he came home from work they live in Gilbert
Arizona he says that when he pulls into his driveway gets out of his vehicle someone
shot at him he believes that a paintball gun was used to shoot at him he says that he spotted someone driving a green
Jeep Cherokee that fled from the scene Brandon Boudreau hires a private investigator to get to the bottom of
what could have happened one thing that is learned in this situation a little quick background here Melanie
his former wife she is very much of the same beliefs as Lori she has gone along with Lori to
some of these doomsday events that Lori keeps going to and now we have this incident out front of their home out
front of Brandon's home where someone takes a shot at this guy his private investigators uncover a whole bunch of
stuff but one of the most important things that they uncover is that a green Jeep Cherokee that he spotted at the
scene fleeing the scene was once owned by Charles vallo Lori valo's husband previous husband who was
killed in July of that same year yeah so now there's multiple people that could have access to that correct on October
9th Tammy day Bell this is Chad dabel's current wife she calls police this is after a masked man
attempts to shoot at her in her garage now the way that this story goes Captain this is night time
it's after dark she's coming home from a trip to the grocery store she pulls in the driveway pulls into the garage
garage door's still open this man dressed in black wearing a mask runs up to her points a gun at her and pulls the
trigger several times and nothing happens the man his reaction is to flee the area
on she reports like she even says to the guy what are you doing she doesn't understand what is going on
when she tells police what went down she says I think he was trying to shoot me with a
paintball gun but for some reason it didn't work well that's strange why would you be shooting somebody with
a paintball gun correct doesn't make any sense but it also goes a little bit along with the story that Brandon
Boudreau just said took place about a week earlier where he too thought he was shot at with a paintball gun right that
is on October 9th Tammy dabell Chad's current wife says she was the victim of this random weird assault attempt where
somebody pointed a paintball gun at her pulled the trigger and nothing happened ten days later
you know the old expression wake up dead well that's just what happens to Tammy Dabo she's found dead in her home in
Salem Idaho approximately five miles away from Rexburg Idaho and it's initially ruled that Tammy mind
you she's just 49 years of age at this time died of undisclosed causes purportedly
in her sleep Chad dabell her husband declined a postmortem autopsy of course he did and
the County coroner did not overrule this decision so the death certificate reads that
Tammy died of natural causes what is wrong with these people what's wrong with law enforcement what's wrong
with these are the people that are supposed to protect us and they can't see through this
melange of [ __ ] well the problem with everything going on here is there's no way for law enforcement to
know that all of these things that are going on all these tragedies all these deaths
they might somehow be connected law enforcement doesn't know that Chad dabell and Laurie valo have this
very likely relationship that's going on Undercover but there are some things that are going
to tip law enforcement off to what might be actually going on here here's an interesting little note here Captain a
wedding ring was purchased on Amazon using the deceased Charles valos account the ring was purchased for
35.99 on October 2nd 2019. all right so Charles is dead so that means his wife can get married
again Chad's wife is now dead so they can get he can get married again and then somebody purchases on Charles account
through Amazon an engagement ring yeah so wedding ring is purchased on Charles Amazon account wait wait a [ __ ] on that
guy's grave well and the reason why I'm pointing out this purchase here okay the
purchase takes place on October 2nd 17 days before Chad dabel's first wife passes away Lori valo paid for the ring
on her deceased husband's Amazon account the ring was delivered to a ruxburg townhouse where Lori valo was living
that's really romantic pick out your own ring and buy it well I think that the ring was for Chad oh it was a male I
guess I shouldn't have assumed I guess right but what I'm pointing out here is we don't have any absolute proof of this
of what I'm about to say but this to me would make me speculate that this is what is actually going on
seems to me like Laurie knew that she would be marrying Chad if this ring was in fact for him yeah he was currently
married at the purchase time of this ring so was she told by Chad hey I'm going to split up with my wife or does
she know that Tammy's going to mysteriously die in her sleep and then Chad is going to say now we don't need
an autopsy because in Idaho they don't they won't do an autopsy this is my understanding I could have this
wrong so this is a state where they will not do the autopsy unless it's requested by
a family member she doesn't have anybody in our family requesting a autopsy Well
Chad dabel's the he's the the husband the Father the leader of the family yeah but we all
we've already determined he's nuts well we've determined that right can't anybody else determine that I mean I'm
not saying where the where the dumbest guys are but we're definitely not the brightest
and we've already determined that on October wait hold on what about their kids well these are grown children
they've been married for 28 years right but can't the grown children they would have to know something about
their father wouldn't they be able to request this question I the way that it was explained
to me yes it appears that they could request this but again they would have to be suspicious of something if they're
not suspicious of anything there's no reason to make that request but on November 5th now mind you this is about
two weeks after Chad buries his wife Tammy on a little trip to Hawaii Chad day Bell
and Lori valo get married yep and they're just smiling I'll post a couple pictures of it just
so you can be angry right right well then we have a couple weeks go by and there's nothing
really to report well this is all going to change and this story is going to get pretty big
with this next event that takes place on November 26 2019 when the Rexburg Police
Department conducts a well-being check on JJ they go to Lori's townhouse to look for
JJ valo because remember his grandmother and grandfather say the last time we spoke with our grandson
was way back in August yeah yeah we're trying to get a hold of our grandson mind you they've moved off to Idaho but
still we've not heard from him yet well guess who's not in the wedding pictures neither one of the kids correct they're
not in the wedding pictures and you also have a situation where the relatives of
JJ that are calling police they're not aware that Lori has gone off and got married right
what this timeline and all of these events they may have sound confusing even we
try to put them together the best way that we could they are meant to be confusing
all of these movements and actions put together and orchestrated by Lori valo and Chad dabel are meant to confuse not
just you the listeners not just the captain in the colonel This was meant to confuse anybody that was supposed to
care for the people that they were going to harm and hurt the moving around the doing things in
secret doing things behind closed doors all these lies all of these actions putting people off pushing people away
keeping their distance so they don't have to answer questions about what happened to my father
where are these children they just keep ducking people and providing no answers but on top of
that this is her fifth marriage right I mean there's something off about this woman
right [Laughter] you got me there Captain all right what we have here is well I'm just to be
clear I mean marriage is something that you might do once maybe twice maybe three times
maybe even four times but once you do it five times it's just crossing the line it's unacceptable well
this where welfare check is a big issue it's a big problem because when the police show up and they say hey we've
got concerned relatives that want to know where JJ is We Need to Know Where Your Children Are
should we be concerned well they even though they're told not to be concerned police get
concerned because of the answers that they're getting from Lori and I'm going to give you the short of it because
we're going to get into the details of this uh in the second half but the short of it is Lori is kind of cagey about her
answers right she's dodgy about the questions she says hey you don't have to worry because my daughter Taylee is off
at BYU and JJ is staying with some friends or relatives back in Arizona called your
horses I just want to remind the listener about something Taylee is 16 years old
JJ is seven years old you don't think you'd want them at your wedding and your other excuses
Taylor is at college is that what she's trying to tell law enforcement correct now law enforcement has no idea about
the all of the stories we just went through right all they know is that we have relatives calling from another
state saying this woman moved away with her children and now we haven't heard from our
grandson in months that's sad so police do not like the answers that they're getting from Lori
and so what they decide to do is you know what we're going to come back tomorrow with a warrant and we're going
to search the home from my understanding Lori and Chad do not know that police are intending to
come back but when police arrive guess what Lori's not there Chad's not there they're gone they picked up and
abandoned all of their belongings and took off so a once concerned Police Department is
now extremely concerned they weren't getting the answers that they liked the night before and now these people appear
to have left the area no it's very fishy let's get back to Alex Cox remember he is Lori's sister
in November on the 29th of 2019 Alex he got married and this was to a woman from
Gilbert Arizona they went off to Las Vegas and they got married now we had mentioned earlier Melanie Boudreau
she was the one who was newly divorced from Brandon Boudreau who he says someone took a shot at me in my driveway
she marries this guy Ian on November 30th of that same year no it's locked it's a lot to keep track of
well here's where things get even more interesting for law enforcement anyway on December 11th this is after police
start piecing things together they're like wait a second something's not right here something's extremely fishy these
kids are missing these this mother she takes off with her oh [ __ ] new husband they figure out they figure out that she
marries this guy oh and by the way they figure out that Tammy died of quote unquote natural
causes less than a month before Chad marries Lori so now police are suspicious of her
death well and on top of that have they got to the point of looking into Charles's death
no they have not yet here's what we do have on December 11 2019 authorities decide to further investigate the death
of Tammy dabell they decide that they're going to exhume her body we need to figure out if she did in fact
die of natural causes or not the next day December 12th Alex Cox Lori's brother the one who shot her husband in
self-defense he says Alex Cox dies in Gilbert Arizona there's a 9-1-1 call that is made by the
son of his new wife okay it's reported that Alex collapsed in the bathroom of the home with his new
wife his death is later attributed by by autopsy to natural causes and it lists blood clots and high blood pressure part
of me goes well Karma eventually the universe caught up to you and was able to correct the wrong
but do you think it was something a little more fishy than that I think something totally caught up to
Alex Cox I don't know if it was Karma or if it was Lori and Chad because these other Doomsday Preppers or
these other people that believe and and what they're believing in these these cult-like mentality
you you see this a lot with these herds of people that believe in the same crazy voodoo
now like you like we were saying earlier with Chad if you didn't believe what he
believed you're on the wrong side what are these people willing to do did all the sudden after uh this
self-defense action by Alex did he start talking bad about Chad did he start questioning what they were
doing and then now he's he's on the dark side and we gotta get rid of him I think
where the problem if in fact Lori and or Chad would be responsible for Alex Cox's
death which was ruled to be natural causes right blood clot or high blood pressure or
both isn't it a little too convenient though that he has this heart condition and
dies the day after police announce that they're going to further investigate the
death of Chad's Wife Tammy yeah okay so the reason why we're going off on this weird thing here oh hold on
there's another layer of this pie not only are they going to go look into the death of Tammy
they're looking in harder to where the children are right correct somebody that's probably
responsible for some of it is Alex so guess who's body just couldn't take it he knows
The Jig Is Up they're going to get you I think he died from being scared to death it's possible
and before we get into this next bit Captain I want to make sure that I point this out first because it it's it's a
the son of a [ __ ] died from being scared to death that's maybe the first time I ever heard
of somebody actually being scared to death in February of this year this would be February 24th of 2020 and a
child custody court documents Brandon Boudreau stated that Ian okay so Ian is his ex-wife's new husband
Brandon states that Ian told law enforcement that Melanie his ex-wife conspired with her uncle Alex Cox Lori's
brother to kill him okay remember this was the guy that was shot at in his driveway with the
paintball gun well he spots the vehicle that that looks like Charles valo's old vehicle right okay so here's where we
need to get into this story Alex Cox all of a sudden becomes the centerpiece for a lot of these weird
mysterious events that are going on was he the person that took a shot at Brandon in the driveway was he the
person that tried to shoot Tammy was he the person that was yeah the masked man dressed in black that took a shot at
Tammy and when your sister is telling you hey by the way I got some money coming to me you kill my husband
I get a million dollars and what if she's just constantly lying all the money hasn't come in yet and
this guy thinks the payday has already happened and now I just got to clean up a couple
other messes for my sister and I'm going to get all this money but Alex Cox is one who totally believes
all this zombie and Light Spirit dark Spirit [ __ ] he's all wrapped up in that game too
yeah that's another motive so what we have here is this whole speculation by Tammy who reported that she believes
someone came up to her with a paintball gun pulled the trigger and nothing happened and then fled
was she wrong was it a real gun did somebody come up and try to take her life right then and there
on that day and it failed and then she magically dies of natural causes a week or so later
[Music] [Music] thank you all right cheers mates cheers cheers to the crispiest so we already
said in yesterday's episode that Dateline would eventually have an episode on this case called where are
the children and that would be the biggest question for a very long time eventually that question will morph into
what happened to the children but I think Captain what we're going to be able to do here is I think we're going
to be able to answer most of those questions fill in a lot of those blanks and at least put together a
story that will show you just about what happened here in this situation now where we left off we have two kids
that are missing police are looking for these two kids and when they go knocking
on Lori's door the next day boom she's gone as well so now we have to find the parents
the authorities are left with no answers no clues and they're sitting around trying to piece everything together in
this whole mixed up jumbled story so on December 20th 2019 the Rexburg Police Department officially announced
an investigation into the disappearances of Tyler and JJ using cell phone technology
authorities are able to locate Lori vallo they find out that she is in Kauai and Hawaii they locate both her and Chad
daybell when they do they serve Lori with a court order requiring her to produce the children within five days or
they will arrest her five days comes five days goes Lori misses the court order deadline to produce the children
well yeah she doesn't even show up to court right and what they are able to do the authorities that is they're able to
determine that Lori and Chad they bought tickets they flew off to Hawaii and they
did not take the children with them how do they know that there were no airline tickets purchased for the children they
have camera footage there's no the children aren't seen at the airport or getting onto the airplane right so the
law allows them to arrest Laurie because she can now be a Char she can now be charged with abandonment of these two
children that you so astutely pointed out earlier these are not adult children 16 and 7 years old and by this time
Ty Lee would have had another birthday so she would be 17 at this point okay so what we have here Captain is they are
notified that these children are missing on November 26th that's when they go knocking on Lori's door then the parents
disappear Lori and Chad disappear it's not until February 20th of 2020 that Lori valo is arrested in Kauai
think about how much time that is now let's take it back a step further when is the last known sighting of both
of these children wasn't that the park well we have the park sighting of Tai Lee which took place in early September
2019. then we have we know that JJ went to school on Friday the 20th of September
so it's time Captain for no more mystery here is what law enforcement says to be
the facts yes of the case put a bow on it law enforcement states that Lori valo moved to Rexburg on or about September
1st 2019 with Tyler and JJ and her brother Alex Cox Lori valo resided with her children at 565 Pioneer Road Unit
175. Cox her brother Alex resided in the same complex initially living in the same
unit as Lori and then moving into his own unit at this would be Unit 107 and the same complex the last verifiable
sighting of Ty Lee was on September 8 2019 in Yellowstone National Park the last verifiable sighting of JJ was
September 22nd 2019 in his mother's apartment in Rexburg Indiana this is by Lori's friend Melanie Gibb who we've
already talked about and her boyfriend David Warwick the police go on to say while the Rexburg police and FBI have
received many tips of alleged sightings since the beginning of the case none of these tips have led to any verifiable or
actionable information regarding the health safety or location of the two children in question they go on to say
on November 26 2019 detectives went to Lori valo's home this is the condo unit number 175 in
Rexburg Idaho to conduct a welfare check detectives met with Alex Cox and Chad dabell outside of the residence
Chad acted as if he did not know Lori very well and stated he didn't know her phone number Alex Cox told the
detectives that JJ was with his grandmother Kay Woodcock in Louisiana which detectives say this is not likely
to be true due to the fact that K was the individual who first called in a missing child report to the police
department Alex Cox says that Lori may be in apartment 107. the detectives went to apartment 107 but the apartment was
completely empty and vacant then detectives saw Chad dabell driving a black Chevy Equinox away from the
residence detectives stopped Chad and asked him again if he had seen JJ Chad responded that the last time he had
seen JJ was an apartment 107 in October he also admitted that he knew Lori valo's phone number and provided it to
the detectives you know how quickly this story changes well and keep in mind this
man is telling the detectives he does not know Lori but unbeknownst to the detectives at
this time the two are married right they were married in Hawaii yeah now on the same day the detectives spoke with Lori
valo in her apartment this was apartment 175. Lori told the detectives that JJ was in
Gilbert Arizona with her friend named Melanie Gibb they obtained Gibb's phone number from Lori they attempted to call
Melanie but they were unable to contact or speak with her at that time Lori tells the detectives that Ty Lee
was attending BYU in Idaho but living there with Lori now because the detectives were unable to contact this
Melanie Gibb they immediately contacted Lori again after they left the the premises
and they requested that she that Lori call Melanie and Laurie says you know what I can't call Melanie she's not
going to answer the phone because her and my son JJ they're at a movie they're out seeing Frozen two yeah cold never
bothered me anyway so she won't answer her phone by the evening of the 26th they had not heard from Melanie Gibb
this is when they start to get really suspicious of what's going on and they get the search warrant to come back the
next day and then Lori and Chad are gone right and Lori and Chad are probably not
even clued into the idea that law enforcement would have been able to get a search
warrant that quickly so the way that they get this search warrant that quickly is eventually they do hear from
Melanie Laurie's friend right and what they hear is not what they want to hear they hear from Melanie hey I've not seen
JJ he's not staying with me like she told you and I've not seen him in months she actually calls back on December 6th
and adds some new information that's even more damning to Lori and Chad she tells detectives that Not only was
JJ not staying with me like Lori told you but that same night when you guys were
trying to get a hold of me and couldn't get a hold of me I did speak with Lori and I did speak with Chad on two
separate phone calls Chad was telling me hey the police are going to try to get a hold of you
they're looking for JJ just don't pick up your phone the other conversation was it Lori told her this is this is
even more uh even more weird she says if you talk to the police tell them that JJ is staying there with you tell them
that you were busy you guys were at a movie and could you take some random pictures of children out in public like
a big group of them from a distance so that we can send those to police and I can tell them hey there's JJ in the
crowd so this is not looking good for finding the children there's levels of horrible
people yes but she just keeps getting higher and higher on the list so there's your confirmation
of whatever happened to these two poor kids it took place before police went looking for them on November 26th yeah
now we'll get a little more deeper into the details here because remember we said that the last verifiable sighting
of Ty Lee was in Yellowstone National Park on September 8th 2019. It is believed that Tyler left the
national park in her uncle Alex's silver Ford F-150 they being law enforcement tracked this trip via GPS cell tower
connections and Google account information on Alex Cox's phone they know what time Alex Cox and Ty Lee
and the family left the park they went on to use this technology and they're calling it well it's cellular
analysis survey team that they got involved with to come up with this information they call it cast for short
and this is something that the FBI was using helping local law enforcement look for these kids or what happened to these
kids they analyzed Alex Cox's phone and they were able to provide all kinds of locational information that took
place that day as well as the next day and it does not look good none of it looks good as far as this technology
goes Captain this is so Advanced that cast their super highly accurate on placing one's phone what location that
that phone is they can do it within a matter of about 15 feet meaning that if you are carrying your
phone in your pocket and you show up at a property let's say this is a large property this technology is so accurate
they can tell if you are standing inside the house of that property or outside of
the house on that property can they tell if I have my pants on or not so what's even worse about this situation is when
they track Alex Cox's phone for the night of September 9th yeah going into the 10th
here is what they figure out several times in the middle of the night between the hours of midnight and 6 a.m
Alex's phone is moving from his condo unit to Lori valos condo unit or apartment
whatever you want to call it where she lives with Ty Lee and JJ law enforcement say that this is significant not only
because it was in the middle of the night but because it's the only time that he appears his phone appears to go
over to valo's apartment in the middle of the night right between midnight and 6 A.M
okay at 4 37 Alex Cox's phone goes back to his own apartment then the next time that we track his phone
at 9 21 a.m there's a reading for a GPS data point that places his phone behind Chad dabell's home on the east side of
the property which is behind a barn that is owned by the Dave Bell family his phone places him at the day Bell
Residence for the next couple of hours later the FBI who are now examining Tammy dabell's phone you know she since
passed away be it she was murdered or natural causes the FBI found a text conversation
between Tammy and Chad which took place the day after the last known sighting of
Ty Lee and Yellowstone National Park Chad to Tammy at 11 53 a.m wrote well I've had an interesting morning I felt I
should burn all of the limb debris by the fire pit before it got too soaked by the coming storms
while I did so I spotted a big raccoon along the fence I hurried and got my gun and he was still walking along I got
close enough that one shot did the trick he is now in our pet cemetery fun times
then Chad texts Tammy again a few minutes later gonna shower now and then go right for a
while at BYU love you Tammy responds to Chad good for you and then Chad text Tammy again at 2 48 PM
saying I'm back home now what do you think this means this means they probably buried the body
buried Charlie's body behind the barn so I think what happened here is for whatever reason very likely Lori
getting Alex her brother to possibly once again do her dirty work he takes tylie over to Chad's house
while Tammy is gone and what Chad is now doing after the fact this is this is minutes these texts
go to his wife Tammy minutes after Alex's phone leaves his property what does this story do man this this
will explain away any questions that the neighbors might have or that Tammy might
have in advance right I was out here burning wood debris because the storms were going to come oh
while I was out here I spotted a pest a raccoon shot the son of a [ __ ] and oh if the neighbors heard a gunshot by the
way that's because I killed a raccoon and then I buried it so if you see Disturbed ground on our property I
buried it in our pet cemetery and it's not not that bad of a story you know it would seem to make sense
yeah but again if you're burning evidence if you kill someone with a single shot
and you bury them no the question you've just explained away everything yeah my question is was it Chad that shot her
was it Alex because I don't know with Alex it's like I could kind of understand that maybe
you didn't like your brother-in-law or something he had some issues with him but your own niece
regardless what kind of oh [ __ ] are you if we believed all right let's regardless if we believe this fake text
story from Chad to Tammy and we believe what the technology tells us regarding Alex Cox's phone being at
Chad dabel's property then both of them were present for either the killing and burial of this
child and then it gets even worse here Captain because if you are to look at the
evidence and what it points out to us the possibilities it seems very likely that these two children were killed
either by Alex and or Chad and this thing hold this whole thing could have been orchestrated by Lori and
or Chad but it seems like these three knew what the hell was going on and that these two
children were killed at separate times on different days yeah because that's the only thing that
explains away why we saw Ty Lee in early September and then days later we don't see her but we see JJ we have a
verified sighting of JJ and this comes from when Melanie Gibb and her boyfriend David Warwick were at Laurie's apartment
okay this is what they told police they had an in-depth discussion with police regarding the weekend of September 22nd
and September 23rd 2019 this would be as I speculate uh what about two weeks after Ty Lee was likely
murdered I'm just thinking about that poor seven-year-old boy asking where his sister is because you know they didn't
probably pay him much attention or really care too much about him and she probably did she probably
protected him so Melanie and David both tell police that when they were there on
the 22nd and 23rd they tell police that the last time that they saw JJ was on the night of
September 22nd 2019. now that night Lori valo tells her guest Melanie and David that her son is acting up so her brother
Alex is going to come over collect the child and take him back to his apartment again in the same complex
the last time they see the child Alex Cox is holding JJ who appears to be asleep with his head on Alex's shoulder
this is very troubling because we talked about the FBI using that cast technology team to analyze
Alex Cox's phone or the movement of his phone well they tracked that phone for the
morning of September 23rd the next morning once again at 9 55 a.m Alex is at Chad
daybell's property he is there for about 15 minutes yeah to make a long story short
they end up finding the remains of both of these children in June of 2020 and of
course they find them on Chad dabel's property east side of the barn uh the information I have I don't know
how specific it gets but it seems like they were the FBI and local police were snooping around that so-called pet
cemetery on Chad dabell's property yeah disgusting yeah and there's some evidence that they went to a
considerable amount of work and effort to try to conceal evidence and cause of death
and Tyler's body that there this her body was burned and and um yeah it's just it's pathetic and you
know that parents or uncle or anybody that would do this to their children it's and for what so you just don't have the
burden of them because they had people in their lives they had family members in their lives that loved
them and I'm sure if they would have said hey uh you know if I have to have the burden of having
these kids anymore I'm just gonna go ahead and kill them somebody would have taken on that
responsibility or by the by the way their their dad would have but you killed him well that's what it's
starting to look like right once you figure out what has very likely happened to these children that they were
murdered dismembered and and then hidden this is like a triangle of serial killers
then you have to go back and you go okay well these deaths that one that was thought to have been self-defense a
couple of others that were thought to be natural causes now you have to question
all of that because you have these three Psychopaths that seem to be working together in cahoots to off family
members yeah and thank God that you had relatives that cared so much for these children that they reported them missing
and several of them pled publicly for the return or at least hey Lori tell us where these kids are why won't you say
anything and it was only that call to report these children missing that led to all of this other stuff coming to
light to be suspicious Behavior oh yeah luckily there's people that cared about them enough to start calling or we would
never have answers there'd just be a bunch of questions and then you have to wonder well who's in charge here
is this a situation where Chad and Lori and Alex really believed did they truly believe that the end of the world was
coming that we're surrounded by zombies and they needed to rid the Earth of these zombies
and did they believe that their relatives the ones that were dying around them that they were the zombies or is it just
kind of convenient that they go you know what I don't want to be married no more oh I
could get a big life insurance policy right or it's they can use this weird defense of well
I believe all this stuff so I was actually protecting my children from the end times well it's really starting to
look like Alex was either the killer or participated in killing a lot of these people and then you really question his
death as well I really think he died from knowing that he's going to get busted um that that's my gut feeling there it's
possible I what I wonder with all of these heart attacks or natural causes Tammy dies in her sleep an ex-husband
dies of a heart attack Alex dies of something similar is it some kind of poisoning is somebody poisoning somebody
or injecting somebody with something that's causing these to appear to be natural deaths yeah same they could have
done the same thing to the children as well well then you wonder did they attempt to do this to Charles
and he fought back right and he was shot in the process and unfortunately I do believe that that
gunshot that was intended for the fake raccoon really indicates maybe the cause of death in one of the children
and so you really wonder how I mean we've talked about a lot of horrible crazy cases on this show over the years
and this is about one of the most evil cases I can think of yeah I mean this puts her right up there with
Casey Anthony and I I was hoping and praying because you also have to keep in mind too when
Lori was arrested she was only arrested because she failed to provide the courts
what they were asking for it's basically contempt of court and she is charged with abandonment of her children because
they could prove that she left and went off to Hawaii without taking her children with her right so she's in jail
waiting for trial for this whole time they still don't know where the kids are Chad day Bell's out doing his thing
he even appears in court in support of Lori or if he's the puppet master and controlling everything maybe that's his
way to remind her that he's still in control of her when he shows up for court he's not arrested until they find the
remains on his property yeah so now they've opened up reopened up the investigation into what happened to his
first wife Tammy they've started an investigation as to was this actually self-defense the the death of Charles
valo they're really looking and sorting and sifting through all of this stuff and we're probably going to see trials
next year I would believe for both Lori and Chad yeah I think there's some updating that will need to be done there
because there's still some loose ends like you said who who was the leader of this was it a triangle or was it just
the two at the end of the day these are horrible individuals and I hope they start that
nonsense and zombie talking in prison I hope those prisoners just [ __ ] them up
just really [ __ ] them up well you also have to wonder too was was Alex Cox just
some kind of tool was he just some kind of psychopath that was willing to do anything requested by his sister
and that he that he was this murderous man right and that he was some kind of tool for them to use and that they were
both the puppet master of this guy and then when it started crashing down all around them that maybe they killed him
off and maybe those maybe he's the only one that those two actually killed but if
you take it and you think about it in that manner then you have to wonder who's who's more sick and twisted Chad
or Lori or is it equal and I'm starting to think that it's equal because I've had a lot of people review this case and
try to tell me you know what Chad was pulling the strings Chad was having Lori do whatever he wanted to and I don't
believe that for a second why because we have that attack on her previous husband
that took place years before she even met this Chad guy yeah possibly but the other evidence is he was married for
what 26 years all of a sudden she comes along and he's just he like becomes a zombie for her
you know does whatever he can to to want to be with her you know yeah and we also
have information out there that even though Lori didn't receive insurance money from the death of Charles fallow
that Chad received over four hundred thousand dollars when his wife Tammy passed away you know I don't know if
there's a heaven or hell or anything like that but I I really hope there is so so this son of a [ __ ] can burn there
for a very long time they do have a witness who claims to have heard Chad tell them
that he cannot move forward with his plan until his wife is dead thank you all right once you're done with this
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On November 26, 2019 Kay Woodcock reported her grandson JJ Vallow missing. This kicked off a search for JJ and his older sister Tylee conducted by both the Rexburg police and the Gilbert police departments. This was truly just the tip of an unbelievable iceberg. This case is a prime example that the truth is very often stranger than fiction. Join us in the Garage as we discuss the “Doomsday Mom” and her new husband.

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Brief Summary

Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell's case involves the suspicious deaths of family members and the disappearance of Vallow's children, J.J. and Tylee.

Key points

Mysterious Shootings. Brandon Boudreau and Tammy Daybell both experience strange shooting incidents involving paintball guns.
Suspicious Wedding Ring Purchase. A wedding ring purchased on a deceased man's account raises eyebrows about Lori Vallow's intentions.
Children Missing. Authorities conduct a well-being check on JJ Vallow, only to find Lori and Chad have vanished.
Investigation Announcement. On December 20, 2019, the Rexburg Police Department announced an investigation into the disappearances of Tyler and JJ.
Lori's Court Order. Authorities served Lori Vallow with a court order to produce her children within five days.
Last Known Sightings. Law enforcement details the last verifiable sightings of Ty Lee and JJ, raising suspicions.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I think he was trying to shoot me with a paintball gun.

Tammy Daybell recounts a bizarre attempted shooting incident.

6:05WatchNov 11, 2022

Tension

85/ 100High tension

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