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let's talk some true crime [Music] If I Were the Devil [Music] If I Were the Devil
if I were the Prince of Darkness I'd want to engulf the whole world in darkness and I'd have a third of its
real estate and four-fifths of its population but I wouldn't be happy until I have seized the ripest apple on the
tree V so I said about however necessary to take over the United States I'd subvert the churches first I'd begin
with a campaign of Whispers with the wisdom of a serpent I would whisper to you as I whispered to you do as you
please to the young I would whisper that the Bible is a myth I would convince them
that man created God instead of the other way around I would confide that what's bad is good and what's good is
square and the old I would teach to pray after me Our Father which art in Washington
and then I'd get organized I'd educate authors in how to make lowered literature exciting so that anything
else would appear dull and uninteresting I'd threatened TV with dirtier movies and vice versa I peddle narcotics to
whom I could I'd sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction I tranquilize the rest with pills if I
were the devil I'd soon have families at war with themselves churches at war with
themselves and Nations at war with themselves until each and its turn was consumed and with Promises of higher
ratings I'd have mesmerizing media Fanning the flames If I Were the Devil I would encourage
schools to refine young intellects but neglect to discipline emotions just let those run wild until before you knew it
you'd have to have drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every Schoolhouse door within a decade
I'd have prisons overflowing I'd have judges promoting pornography soon I could evict God from the courthouse then
from the schoolhouse and then from the houses of Congress and in his own churches I would substitute psychology
for religion and deify science I would lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls and church money if I
were the devil I'd make the symbol of Easter an egg and a symbol of Christmas a bubble If I Were the Devil I'd take
from those who have and give to those who want it until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious
I couldn't get whole states to promote gambling as the way to get rich I would caution against extremes and
hard work and patriotism in moral conduct I would convince the young that marriage
is old-fashioned that swinging is more fun that what you see on TV is the way to be
and thus I could undress you in public and I could lure you into bed with diseases for which there is no cure
in other words if I were the devil I'd just keep right on doing what he's doing Paul Harvey
[Music] [Music] foreign [Music] formerly Lori valo was born Lori Noreen Cox June of 1973 in San Bernardino
California in 2001 Laurie married Joseph Ryan Jr Lori came into this marriage twice divorced
and a mother of a son named Kobe Joseph Ryan legally adopted Colby then in 2002 the married couple had a
daughter Tyler Ryan religion was important to Lori she told friends that God was telling
her that good things were to come she said God told her she would be on America's favorite game show Wheel of
Fortune sure enough she was and it was obvious this woman very much enjoyed the spotlight and the attention
she did well on the show winning seventeen thousand dollars but just like Lori's first two marriages
this one too fell apart and Joseph Ryan filed for divorce in August of 2004. later that same Year Laurie was a
contestant and the Mrs Texas pageant less than one year after Lori's divorce was finalized Glory married a 49 year
old Charles vallo Charles had converted to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Charles like Lori had two children from before their Las Vegas wedding 2013 the couple adopted Charles valo's
Grand nephew Joshua Jackson vallo and they called him JJ 2014 the couple moved to Kauai which is
the fourth largest of the main Hawaiian Islands around 2015 Lori valo started reading
the standing and holy places series of books friend would later say that Lori became
obsessed with the books after about two and a half years in Hawaii the valo family moved to Arizona
on December 5th 2018 Laurie met the author of the book series that she loved so much
his name Chad Dabo they met and she joined Chad on a podcast called preparing a people
in an episode that was titled time to Warrior up this was a life-changing event for Lori
and her family Lori's husband Charles said after Lori became obsessed with the books and met
the author Chad dabell that it was like she wanted little to nothing to do with Charles and the kids
Charles said Lori told him that she was the reincarnated wife of Joseph Smith an American religious leader from the
early 1800s then without notice or explanation Lori vanished Charles filed for divorce
he claimed Lori withdrew 35 thousand dollars from the couple's joint bank account
Charles said Laurie stole his vehicle and before she vanished she threatened to murder him then 58 days later Laurie
returned in 2019 the Ryan and valo families amongst others would experience a series
of questionable suspicious and tragic events that would threaten to destroy the families why were there so many
people in Lori's life that were dying and Vanishing on Valentine's Day 2020 Dateline released an episode featuring
The Great Keith Morrison that covered recent events in Lori's life the episode was titled where are the
children the media was calling Lori the Doomsday mom we're calling this week's episodes
Tyler Ryan and J.J valo this True Crime garage foreign we use this week's trailer to give a bit
of a backstory to one of the main characters in this week's True Crime Story let's pick this story up late in
the year of 2018 at this spot on our timeline late 2018 Lori's full name is Lori valo as she is married to Charles
valo in early December of 2018 Lori met Chad daybell Chad is an author he is the
author of several books it looks like he was first published back in 2003 if not
earlier and seems to be quite a prolific author at that as I saw about 14 or 15 books but there are probably more out
there by this guy he has several book series The Emma Trilogy which is described as a fictional time travel
series and there is the standing and holy places series and the times of turmoil series
when Lori meets Chad he is married and has been for about 28 years he and his wife Tammy have five children together
Chad dabel graduated from Brigham Young University in 1992 with a ba in journalism he went on to be the founder
of the Spring Creek book company so he is I guess self-published in the way that he is the founder of a Publishing
Company yeah I believe at first he was published by other companies and then founded his own publishing house and
then published his own books the quick online description of his books are quote End Times fiction
I think a much more interesting description is what I found for one of his books that is titled living on the
edge of Heaven under the portion of about the book and the author Chad daybell it says when Chad dabell was 17
years old he had a near-death experience while cliff jumping he crossed into another dimension and
realized there was a world Beyond this one a second near-death experience in his
early twenties was much more in depth he was hit with a monstrous wave at lajolla
Cove in California while his body was being tossed by the wave his Spirit was visiting with his
grandfather who showed him future events involving his still unborn children this accident caused his Veil that
separates mortal life from the spirit world to stay partially open so he often feels as if he has one foot in both
worlds Chad has since become a noted author and publisher and he's particularly well known for his
futuristic LDS novels that are based on what he has been shown he has also helped several people publish books
about their own near-death experiences as you read his experiences you will realize that we are all part of an
eternal family we each have ancestors in the spirit world who deeply care about our
spiritual progress and seek to assist in our daily lives well I'm not going to that Thanksgiving it goes on to say that
Chad has shared portions of his inspiring story over the years and blogs interviews and Fireside talks but now he
has assembled them into one volume that will uplift and Entertain You his experiences demonstrate how close to
heaven we truly are I believe he also started hearing voices after the first near-death experience yes that's what I
believe his claim to have one foot in both worlds means Now spoiler alert none of Chad's books will be the feature of
this week's recommended reading segment now for those that do not know much about this case we are being quite
descriptive here because Chad will be as big of a part of this story as Lori let's introduce Melanie Gibb she was
Lori's best friend Melanie attended religious themed conferences where Chad dabell was a speaker Melanie was present
when Lori and Chad met for the very first time Lori as we said was very much into Chad's books and then she was a
guest on the preparing a people's podcast I've not heard any of these shows as it looks like there were many
episodes which often would feature a guest and the general theme of the show is the end of the world and doomsday
prepping while a lot of the episodes have been pulled but not only did they have a podcast but they actually had a
whole podcast Network the guests either sharing their Visions or versions of the
end of the world and their preparations for such a month later Lori according to her
husband Charles valo she seems to be checking out from their family life she no longer seems
interested in her marriage to Charles or their two children Tyler Ryan and JJ valo
IE Ryan is Lori's daughter from Lori's previous marriage and Charles and Laurie adopted J.J valo who was Charles's Grand
nephew now this part of the timeline is a little fuzzy but sometime in either January or February two major events in
the Charles and Laurie marriage take place Lori goes AWOL and disappears for 58 days and Charles files for a divorce
some sources say that Lori disappeared in January and some say February what we do have is February 8 2019 is the date
when Charles valo files for divorce from Lori in the filing Charles claims that in
late January 2019 Lori told Charles that she was preparing for the second coming
of Christ and this would take place in July of 2020. Lori said that she was one of the chosen
that would lead the 144 000 mentioned in the Book of Revelation well I think they
had to reschedule the second coming because of coven all right captain now I am way out of practice with my Bible
studies and frankly a bit out to lunch on the whole thing and just a little aside here with outgoing into my own
beliefs in reference to the Bible if I say something wrong please believe me there's no intent to
offend it is just my ignorance okay so back to business Revelation 7 says after this I saw four Angels
standing at the Four Corners of the Earth holding back the Four Winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing
on the land or on the sea or on any tree then I saw another angel coming up from
the East having the Seal of the Living God he called out and allowed voice to the
Four Angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea do not harm the land or the sea or the
trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the Servants of our God then I heard the number of those who
were sealed 144 000 from all the tribes of Israel and then it goes on to list 12
000 people from 12 different tribes I imagine it sounds similar to our beer shout outs and then
144 000 is mentioned again in Revelation 14 which says then I looked and there before me was the lamb standing on Mount
Zion and with him 144 000 who had his name and his father's name written on their foreheads and I
heard a sound from heaven like the Roar of Rushing Waters and like a loud peel of thunder
the sound I heard was like that of harpist playing their harps and they sang A New Song Before the
Throne and before the four living creatures and the elders no one could learn the song except the
144 thousand who had been redeemed from the Earth these are those who did not defile
themselves with women for they kept themselves pure they followed the lamb wherever he goes
they were purchased from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the lamb no lie was found in their mouths
they are blameless so the number 144 000 is certainly something of significance but you know
be it various or even open to interpretation depending on your background and or their teachings but
according to Wikipedia The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes that the ceiling of the 144 000
relates to the high priest ordained unto the holy order of God to administer the
Everlasting gospel for they are they who are ordained out of every nation Kindred
tongue and people by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth to bring as many as will come to
the Church of the firstborn let's highlight that last sentence there Church of the firstborn because in a
probable cause affidavit with the state of Idaho V Lori valo item 23 States as follows Melanie Gibb told Rexburg
detective Ron ball that Lori valo held the religious belief that she was a part of the Church of the firstborn and their
mission was to lead the 144 000 mentioned in the Book of Revelation Charles valo's divorce filing States
Lori threatened to murder him if he got in the way of her preparations for Christ's Second Coming well that seems
like the most logical thing to do yes yes they're preparing to meet Christ that you're going to murder somebody
well just one month later in March of 2019 real quick question for you what song do you think they're talking about
what song now they talk about the song that people can't learn that like a Huey Lewis and
the News song or maybe something from Culture Club again I believe open to interpretation depending on your
background and whatever the teachings are of whoever is informing you of of this so definitely
Culture Club so just one month later in March of 2019 Charles valo withdrew the petition saying he wanted to try to make
the marriage work yeah because that's the natural thing to do after somebody threatens to kill you for stopping them
from meeting Christ well a lot of people have questioned this action of Charles you have to wonder is there a chance
that he thought that his wife needed a lot of help and he was going to be willing to be there for her and try to
get her the help that he thought maybe she needed Melanie Gibbs says that sometime after
this she was at Lori's house when Chad dabell called Lori at her house Melanie described that phone call to East Idaho
news.com saying Chad told Laurie that her husband Charles valo had been possessed and would die in a car crash
Chad described to Lori that Charles was no longer Charles that this unclean spirit that was friends with Charles on
the earth had now passed on and now he is this unclean Spirit on Earth roaming around and he's attached
himself to Charles and now he has entered Charles's body and taken it over okay so he's not really Charles anymore
now he's this guy named Ned Snyder wait he named him yeah I didn't know he named
him yeah that just makes the story so much better Melanie says Lori was quote blown out and uncomfortable with what
Chad was telling her but Lori trusted Chad and his Revelations she would call Chad and ask him
questions and Chad would tell her who was a dark or light spirit Chad would say that he was receiving
Revelation about people he said the veil Between Heaven and Earth was open all of
the time to him and he had a way of seeing things that Lori could not again according to East Idaho news.com
Lori would tell Melanie quote he meaning Chad is so much better at getting Revelation than Lori Lori told
her she used to get it a lot but would rely on Chad a lot more now all right I'm going to try to simplify
this so everyone can gain some kind of understanding of this stuff so let's March together arm and arm and try to
sift through the Huey and applesauce well go for it Ned all right and I can only describe this as best as I think
that I can understand it by everything I've read Chad dabell and Lori valo believe that
there are light spirits and dark spirits on this Earth and some people that we see walking around are actually already
dead they are zombies Chad and Lori told Melanie that they knew how many zombies there were and it
was their job to get rid of all of the zombies before the end of the world and they would get rid of these zombies
through some kind of Prayer according to Melanie not only did they believe that this was their mission but
they believed that ridding the Earth of zombies through the power of their prayers was actually working because
Chad would receive the zombie death toll numbers either envisions or from the voice of God
I don't know about any of you out there but my preferred method to rid the Earth
of zombies is to set up shop on a shopping mall rooftop and rifle fire those bastards in the head just like in
the 2004 version of Dawn of the Dead oddly enough here Captain it seems like you do not want to be a dark Spirit no
according to their beliefs you want to be a light spirit I prefer that well it shouldn't surprise anybody that anyone
who questioned these beliefs or questioned Chad's actions were often considered to be quote dark
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air my friends cheers to you crispy alright well remember that in March of 2019 Charles Valor withdrew the divorce
petition saying he wanted to try to make the marriage work well this is Ned right well making the marriage work
didn't really work at all because not too long after that Lori and Charles are living apart
and now it is a little unclear if this next event took place either just before or after the two were living apart
but we have to discuss a fake email and it goes a little more than just a fake email okay so Lori still married to
Charles she created a fake email account for Charles she wanted to send an email pretending
to be Charles and she does so to which she emails Chad daybell the email is supposed to be from Charles
inviting author Chad dabell to come and stay at their home and he would pay Chad to stay there and
write I'm guessing a book or something they don't go into too much detail come to my
home right you can stay in our guest room or Our Guest House and I will pay you for your time and we
know it's a fake email we know because there's evidence that Charles became aware of this email somehow well because
I'm just saying if if my if I was married and my wife started to believe in all this stuff that this author was
saying and it seems like this author is controlling my wife maybe I'd offer him to comes hey stay at my house I'll
pay you to write here just because I want to get you close so I can punch you in your stupid face there's also a
chance that this may be the first that Charles really is aware of this Chad day Bell but what happens is he discovers
this and he wants to know why Lori would be writing an email to this guy and offering for him to come stay in
their home and so he's questioning all of this questioning his wife but on top of that
there is a lot of belief that Charles was intending to contact Chad's Wife Tammy right and let her know hey I think
that my wife and your husband might be a getting it on having a affair yeah a little flicky flicky a little zombie
love making zombie flicky flicky so now Captain we have to introduce a man named
Alex Cox Alex is Lori's brother by this point the two are living apart Charles and
Laurie no longer live together on July 10 2019 Lori asked her brother Alex to spend the night at her home the
next morning Charles valo drove to Laurie's place to get his adopted son JJ when he arrived to pick up JJ and this
is how the story goes I want I wanted to be clear that it's Ace it could just be
a story Lori and Charles get into some kind of argument Alex standing up for his sister gets
involved and now he is arguing with Charles according to Alex the argument gets way
out of control and Charles picks up a baseball bat and charges at Alex and hits Alex in the head
Alex then in a move to quote defend himself he runs to the bedroom where he slept the night before and he retrieved
a shotgun and then he shot Charles twice in the chest Alex says that about five minutes later
he called 9-1-1 you can see portions of police talking with Alex after this event you can hear
the 9-1-1 call online I don't know that we should play it here it's a rather boring 9-1-1 call and I hate to refer to
it as that yeah but you've heard it Captain Alex does not sound excited no excited upset concerned
anything he sounds very matter-of-fact he speaks very slowly at some point the dispatcher
says hey would you mind performing CPR on the man that you just shot and he says yeah no I don't know how to do that
she says well I'll walk you through it and then we hear him I guess he's performing CPR or
pretending to perform CPR he doesn't sound out of breath which I really question what he was actually
doing because anybody that's ever administered CPR always says the same thing it's exhausting very quickly well
this bothers me because is it self-defense if a guy's coming at you with a baseball
bat that's self-defense now if he hits you with the baseball bat and then you went and retrieved a gun but now you're
not an immediate danger then it's not self-defense it's just retaliation it's Revenge
and you have to question a bunch of other things here with this particular story first he hit me over the head with
a baseball bat Charles was a former College athlete the guy was in good shape right and if he was as angry as
Alex says he was then you dead right I'm sorry unless he totally whiffed you would expect he would have dropped
this dude on the floor correctly scroll open got him what we have is Alex outside talking with police and he does
have some kind of wound to his head but it's it's quite small it is bleeding but
bleeding just a little bit it it doesn't appear to me like swing batter it doesn't appear like what
Alex says went down went down or if it did Charles didn't get a good hit at all right but even if he did if he doesn't
have the weapon or you are away from him and he's not coming at you he's not uh trying to knock through the door
then you're not in self-defense anymore right I get that and the thing is I'm questioning the entire story right but
he's not charged with anything no the he claims self-defense in the local police
closed the case that something's just fishy with that it just doesn't make a lot of sense
it makes zero sense because when police interview Alex and they interview Lori and Ty Lee
there are different stories about what went down that morning right Alex says it was only he and Charles in the house
when this whole argument started and ended and he called 9-1-1 to which Lori and Ty Lee say that they
were home so it's there's no can there should be no confusion there they're either not home or they are home so why
are they telling different stories about that morning maybe they didn't actually charge him
with murder because Charles was already dead according to Chad and so Charles at
this point was Ned so so it's not really murder if you kill a guy that's already dead so maybe they
talked to Chad and Chad cleared him up and said hey since you guys believe me since the police believes me you guys
are the white spirits and so uh just let let my all right somewhere some guy just ran off the side of the
road and he's cursing at the captain but what the captain is saying does follow the story it's a possibility it
certainly is I'm not claiming to ever have made sense but right there I made perfect sense according to yeah
according to the rules of Chad and Lori okay here's where it gets even more strange and and cold-hearted
Lori is interviewed by police you can see portions of this interview online she's kind of resting up against her
vehicle they're kind of asking her questions nonchalantly and I don't know if look I we we get in this weird situation
every week I feel like where we're we're condemning the police we're championing
the police who knows people say we hate him people say we love him too much I don't know we cut we kind of review it
on a case-by-case basis I don't know if they just believed Alex's story so much that they were not
looking for reasons to to question what took place or Laurie's an attractive woman
and maybe the officer talking to her was just being casual and maybe taken aback
by her appearance I don't know but you can see in this little very casual interview very casual
questioning of Lori she's just kind of resting up against her vehicle and she's talking with the officer
minutes after her husband was killed by her brother and I don't care what you think about their relationship between
Charles and Laurie at that time this is should be a traumatic event her husband was killed by her brother
there's no way to swing that without it being or should be tragic to this woman she's casually talking with them smiling
and even joking and chuckling at one point in this interview well right because one of her problems is now out
of the way she doesn't have to worry about getting divorce she's been divorced multiple times and those are
messy so it's just easier that now he's dead and again if she's believing everything that Chad is feeding her
she's probably thought that Charles was dead for a long time so I mean this this
lady has some serious issues later that day Lori hosted a pool party at her house the same house where her husband
was just shot twice in the chest and died in the next day July 12th wait say that
again she hosted a pool party at her house Jesus the next day July 12th oh it gets it gets even more
bizarre regarding this one incident this one should be life-changing event and maybe the police should say
if this lady is totally fine with having a pool party the next day that maybe we
should look into this well I don't maybe this this murder wasn't Justified we we
gotta we should step back and and for a moment it does not appear that the law enforcement at the time would have
been aware of this pool party well they probably were invited when she because she's always constantly looking for the
next husband hey hey by the way thanks for helping cover up the murder come by tomorrow we're gonna have
refreshments and a pool party no no the pool party Captain was not the next day it was the afternoon of the day that her
husband was killed so even even more bizarre but there was an event that's just as strange that took place the
following day July 12 2019 this is when Lori valo notifies Charles's Sons his two sons from another marriage
of his death via text message she repeatedly Dodges their questions regarding his cause of death
now it's reported that she sent the first text to his sons approximately 32 hours after the shooting how about you
read those texts for everybody okay again just so everybody can wrap their heads around it the first text goes to
his two sons approximately 32 hours after this man died in her home the first text says this is at 4 36 PM
the following day this is hi boys I have very sad news your dad passed away yesterday I'm working on making
arrangements and I'll keep you informed with what's going on I'm still not sure how to handle things just want you to
know that I love you and so did your dad followed with a nice picture of a heart
there one of the boys replies immediately Lori what happened Lori then replies immediately we are still waiting for the
medical examiner report I'll let you know more when I can and I'm going to go ahead and apologize in advance I'm going
to read these whether they're mistakes or profanity or whatever so pardon my French because it just ain't that good
well sometimes you say bad words okay one of the boys goes on to say where is he and what happened question mark Lori
I'll call you when I can bub he is here in Arizona I okay yes where in Arizona question mark when did
this all happen question mark how's JJ doing remember they are half Brothers right
with JJ what's well I guess JJ's adopted but regardless they're related right What funeral home is he at question mark
then there's nothing there's no response to these four questions and then the following day one of the
sons has to reach out again now we are at Friday and all fairness she had a pool party
you know so she had to clean up from the pool party there's a lot of stuff to happen no
wonder she didn't reply to these texts so on Friday at 6 54 PM after having not heard back from Lori one of the sons
text her saying Lori what the [ __ ] happened you can't just tell us out you can't just tell us our dad died and
disappear you're not too busy to just let us know he sorry there's all these okay
sorry I'm laughing it's not a funny subject matter it's just it's so ridiculous that she's not replying to these kids I
mean it shows you how Disturbed of the individual she is it says you're not too busy to just let us know how he died and
disappear again no answer because he didn't die he was murdered so then an hour and a half later the son
texts Lori again Lori it's been about three hours you're not that busy I don't care what you're doing
finally he gets a response from Louie he says I'm sorry you are so upset I'm so upset too I'm trying to get JJ
ready for bed I'm waiting to hear back from the medical examiner to make sense out of all of this myself
please be patient with me it's a crushing situation all the way around I'm still trying to process it too and
what it means for JJ yeah I'm trying to process the fact that uh he was shot with a Shotgun by my brother
again the sun texts her back now keep in mind this is also you know uh Lori has had
a relationship with these men you know these are her um she's the stepmother obviously not
that good of one so the sun texture again when and where is the funeral how did this all happen
I want an explanation yeah to which he gets no response at all the following day on Saturday now we are
a couple of days after his father has been killed just sends a question mark because he's not heard
back from Lori on his many questions and then two hours later again sends another question mark
to which Lori finally responds this is at 7 pm on Saturday July 13th I'm still waiting working on arrangements and
sorting things out the best I can I'll let you know when I know again the sun responds why aren't you
telling me what happened I've asked numerous times just tell me now I'm sure at some point the the sons tried to call
her and she's just not answering correct she goes on to offer a little bit more of an explanation saying something about
today I'm trying to put up a memorial page on the funeral home website I'll send the link to you when I have it I
love you and so does your dad this is now Tuesday July 16th right so we're getting several days
away from this whole event and listen to what the sun texts to her I appreciate this information but I will
ask these questions again because I still haven't been given an answer what happened when did it happen how did it
happen where is he now is there a funeral when is it who have you told about his death give me all information
you have please my brother and I deserve to know I wonder at this point if they've tried to contact police to find
out if they had any information I'm sure they're probably calling all kinds of family members but it doesn't sound like
Lori is communicating any of this event to anyone outside of her four walls she's
been asked repeatedly by the sons of this man how did he die and she is Days Later refusing to tell them who gives a
[ __ ] about the medical examiner you are aware that your brother shot this man to
death aha that's the key right there protecting the brother if we don't answer to his sons if we don't tell
anybody uh oh well we I don't know how he died then they can't question it the more people questioning the police or
the more people demanding the the police look into the stories that Lori is saying and her brother Alex is saying
you need to look into this it's five days later this man's been dead for five days his sons are asking his wife right
house how he died to which her only response is I'm still waiting for the medical examiner more proof it wasn't
self-defense more proof that this was a murder doesn't that make it sound to you
like she's trying to she's trying to make the appearance to her stepsons that oh we're not really sure how he
died the medical examiner is going to get back to us you're conveniently leaving out oh where
you know my my brother shot him though so we probably have a decent idea on how he died and you're right Captain I think
it's uh you know what let's keep these two in the dark so that we can get this man in the ground before anybody starts
to question the death of this man and you asked did Lori tell anybody else about what was going on well we have
this story this again from Melanie Gibb right she says that Lori called her to report Charles's death and here is what
Melanie Gibbs said to East Idaho news.com she said quote I didn't know about the shooting until four days after
it happened Lori called me and said hey did you see the news Melanie said I don't watch the news then Lori tells
Melanie Charles was shot Melanie was confused and asked what happened Lori said Charles valo had been
planning to kill her to cash in on a three million dollar life insurance policy really she also said Charles's
sister Kay woodcock was now a zombie and was after Lori can you imagine hearing this from somebody
this is not the first time she's heard about zombies from from Lori though so Lori says yeah but you got to be
thinking about the fact that she has kids or what are these kids going through right right and
now you know that there's already one person who is dead in this whole thing it's it's very
it's very confusing and Melanie's only getting to hear one very one-sided part of this story right
so Lori goes on to tell Melanie about a one million dollar life insurance policy
on Charles and how Lori thought that she was going to get that money now that Charles was dead but she goes on to tell
Melanie that Lori found out after her brother shot and killed Charles that actually months before his death Charles
had switched the beneficiary on the policy to his sister Kay a little quick background here if you haven't already
put it together K is Charles's sister and she is the biological grandmother of J.J valo who Charles and Laurie
eventually adopted all right so you would think that that would be the most bizarre thing in a
true crime case that we would be covering this week this is just the start of all that is to come in this in this
crazy mixed up story here yeah and this is also extremely weird and suspicious meaning the death of Charles because of
the following let's go back in time to 2001 and do a quick timeline 2001 Lori marries Joseph Anthony Ryan Jr
in September of 2002 Tyler Ryan is born to Lori and Joseph Lori and Joseph Ryan divorce on February 24 2006.
in 2007 in Travis County Texas Joseph Ryan was attacked by Lori's brother Alex Cox surprise
surprise Hazard Joseph Ryan and threatened to murder him Alex pled guilty and was sentenced to 90
days in jail and five years probation to take this a step further now when Alex was in jail he repeatedly asked his
sister to provide him with some pictures of Joseph because he says that he wants
some pictures of Joseph so he can pass them around to the other inmates at the jail saying things like a lot of my new
friends in here would like to spend some time with Joseph right these are threats
in case anybody's confused Joseph Ryan died 11 years later on April 3rd 2018 from a myocardial infarction that's a
fancy way of saying a heart attack but now self-defense or not he kills Charles valo in July of 2019 I
think it would be fair to question if Joseph really died from a heart attack or from what yeah I think it's fair
unless they didn't have any contact so let's just hold our horses for a second right because this story is pretty
confusing but so so Lori's married multiple times but we have her brother at least one time
before killing this man threatening to kill one of her husbands yes so by this point in our timeline
right we are now through July of 2019. and Lori has been married one two three four times
her third husband was attacked with a taser and threatened to be murdered by her brother Alex Cox
who receives a jail sentence plus probation then years later in July of 2019 Lori
valo now on her fourth marriage married to Charles valo there's an argument that goes down at
her house after the two are already somewhat separated maybe even in the process of an actual divorce
and Alex Cox happens to be staying the night there when this argument takes place the next
morning and he uses a shotgun to kill Charles fallow and then we have Lori on record being a
little bit confused as to why she did not inherit the money from the insurance policy right the million dollar policy
so that is four husbands one of them dead one of them was threatened to be murdered by the same
man who just so happily claimed self-defense when he killed the other husband all some very shady business
going on there Captain yeah piles of [ __ ] so let's go to August we're going to go to August 10
2019. this will be the last recorded time that the grandparents and this is Larry
and K woodcock that they speak to JJ their grandson you know the little boy right
the reason why these episodes are titled Tyler Ryan and J.J valo is because this
whole crazy story came to light when these kids went missing now at this time even though this is the
last time that the grandparents say that they spoke with JJ the kids are not Officially Missing at this point
what we have going on is there's a lot of cleaning up and moving around that's about to happen right it seems like Lori
is closing out one major chapter in her life and looking to move on to another on August 30th
Lori returns JJ's service dog citing a quote change in life circumstances okay it says Returns the dog but that's
not the full story JJ has special needs he is on the autism spectrum Charles got this dog for his adopted son
JJ to help him out with I mean a service dog can help people with Autism help people with other needs significantly
right and there's no question about it this service dog was helping JJ JJ loved this dog you know the old cliche a man's
best friend this was JJ's best friend by every report that is out there his father is now dead
this kid already had special needs could you imagine the needs that he has now that he has no father
and there's also some question if he witnessed the murder or the self-defense killing of his father right
and now you're going to take away the service dog that has helped this boy out so much in his young life yeah we have
no jobs we have no food or our pets heads are falling off well and they cite that she returned the dog due to a
change in life circumstances the truth of the matter is that she attempted to sell the dog and only when the dog did
not sell she returned the dog to the place where they originally got the service animal
so that this dog could go on and help somebody else now the change in life circumstances was
not that JJ no longer required the service dog no it was because Lori wanted to move
that went down on August 30th because on or around September 1st so within 48 Hours of returning JJ's service dog
Lori along with Ty Lee and JJ they moved to Rexburg Idaho well what is near Rexburg Idaho
Chad dabell he lives five miles from the condominium that Lori along with Tyler and JJ move into on September 1st
she will sign JJ up to go to school at Kennedy Elementary in Rexburg Idaho after the move what's crazy is it this
is a true story this sounds as fictional as the books Chad would would write it's ridiculous this portion of the
timeline is extremely important here Captain so I do want to note a few items here on September 8 2019 this is after
they moved to Rexburg Idaho there's proof of tay lee she is in Yellowstone National Park along with Lori and
Laurie's brother Alex and JJ valo on September 23rd 2019 JJ has an unexcused absence from school
the 23rd was a Monday so the last time that J.J valo was present at his new school of Kennedy
Elementary was the Friday of September 20th the following day after he has this unexcused absence his mother Lori calls
and informs JJ's school that he will be going to stay in Louisiana until at least October 29th may be longer so JJ
will no longer be attending Kennedy Elementary and he will be homeschooled instead
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On November 26, 2019 Kay Woodcock reported her grandson JJ Vallow missing. This kicked off a search for JJ and his older sister Tylee conducted by both the Rexburg police and the Gilbert police departments. This was truly just the tip of an unbelievable iceberg. This case is a prime example that the truth is very often stranger than fiction. Join us in the Garage as we discuss the “Doomsday Mom” and her new husband.

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Brief Summary

Lori Vallow's story involves her husband's murder, her children's disappearance, and her obsession with doomsday beliefs.

Key points

Lori Vallow's Early Life. Lori Vallow, born in 1973, had a tumultuous life marked by multiple marriages and a fascination with religion.
Meeting Chad Daybell. In December 2018, Lori met Chad Daybell, an author whose teachings would change her life.
Lori's Disappearance. Lori vanished without a trace, leading to a series of suspicious events in her family's life.
The 144,000 Belief. Lori believed she was among the chosen to lead the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation.
Chad's Revelations. Chad Daybell claimed to receive revelations about spirits, influencing Lori's beliefs.
Fake Email Scheme. Lori creates a fake email to invite Chad Daybell, pretending to be her husband.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

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