True Crime Garage /// OTR //// Amy Mihaljevic Pt. 3 | Forensic Files

on this episode of off the Record we made it this is part four of us discussing the Amy mihalovic case which
is episode number 22. thanks for joining us and as always cheers mates [Applause]
[Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] so it's it's it's very interesting to me because
when we first started the show um and we're just sitting in the garage well actually at that point it was your
garage but a cold hot it's hot it's mostly hot mostly hot there's damn dogs barking all the time
she had one job don't let the dogs out um but when we're back there if because we we've never shied away from
this you were the True Crime guy and I was the guy that could record but we'd also have these really long
talks about cases blah blah so but you being the True Crime guy and here's what's really interesting was
talking with uh one of our detective friends the other week and he was saying um well
you know because he knew us before and he was saying you know I I knew that you were into crime or into talking about
that kind of stuff but you weren't like super into it not like I do my own research and it's crazy to me that we've
done all these cases I'm more interested by it now I mean obviously we do it every week but I find
it more interesting I find these little minute details that maybe I shouldn't find super interesting but I find it
actually a lot more interesting um well that no you you've touched upon something that is key there and look
Okay so in every crime that's committed there is a mistake that is made by the offender
the a lot of times the trick of solving the crime is finding what that mistake is yeah exploiting it leading you to him
or her and then using it to get a conviction using it to build evidence to get a
conviction so where you say minute details and you've always said it that the devil is in the details and you're
you are exactly right because if you can find that one mistake or if you can find
the one little thing that may connect the offender to the victim if you can find that link you might know who did it
and so let's let's I I'm glad you you touched on that because this is one thing that I've been doing
lately with the in regards to the Amy mahalovic case so for some of these cases that that I drag around with me
and the cases that you drag around with you what I do from time to time is I like to
okay so I spent three or four nights looking into Amy's case again and I told myself I wasn't going to let
it consume me and then Amy kept me up for three or four nights I mean I was up till you say you're going to sit down
for a couple hours next thing you know it's one two o'clock in the morning where were you were you drinking
no and I was sitting as you do that thing where it's like you have one or two drinks and then all of a sudden it's
like six drinks later yeah yeah but not one not when I'm looking at the cases because it gets too
Dr it it's work right right and and what happens with me by the time I hit the second beer I'm not doing any more work
right right so anyway turn on Rolling Stones and let's go and I actually find you know how like some people if they if
they smoke some pot and they play video games they're like something happens where I'm in the zone where I just I get
to this level where it feels like I can just do anything I want on the video game like I'm one with my player one
with my vehicle on there well where I hit that mode is when it's about one o'clock in the morning was pitch black
outside when my house is completely quiet where you can where it's late enough at night where you can almost
feel the the heat coming from the light bulbs in your house there's some Zone that I go into during that that those
hours where I'm I'm a little more open to different ideas and things kind of creep
in and so one thing that I do with some of these red light cases is sometimes I'll
throw out my old Theory and I'll say all right I'm going to go into this and I'm
going to look at it and I'm going to look for one thing one little detail that that if I can
pose if maybe there's a question within that detail right and if an eye can answer that question then this could
point me in a direction of who did this or it could point me in the direction of
a likely pool of suspects so the thing here is with the Amy case I completely threw out my theory and I
when I was going through it I really honed in on one thing that happened and this was a phone call
that took place after Amy was abducted after she was abducted she called her mother her mother was at work
and she told her mother her mother wanted to know you know I I spoke to your brother
he said you weren't home why weren't you home and Amy tells her mother a lie she says
well I stayed late at school for it was either a choir practice or acquire tryout I don't know her exact words but
we do know that that didn't happen there was no choir practice or try out that day
so what I rarely honed in on there was was this thing she's 10 years old her mother had not worked at this place
for is that fifth grade yes she was in fifth grade at the time she her mother had not worked at this
place for a long period of time right she's new to the place so I and when we say new I don't know
how new it wasn't like days or weeks it was she had been there for a while but I
but she hadn't been there like her whole life Amy's whole life she called her mother after she was
abducted now this little thing that happens here could take you down two different
Avenues either a Amy knew and had memorized her mother's work phone number or B she hadn't
and if she had not that means that her abductor knew Amy's mother's work phone number yeah or
knew where she worked because back in that day I mean I just remember using the Yellow Pages a lot more back
in the day well her mother worked for the trading times so here's my thought on this I don't
know we can't say with certainty that Amy would have been able to tell the abductor I don't know the phone number
but my mother works at the trading times but what I'm saying is the abductor wouldn't actually have to know the
number he would just have to know where she works and that could be you could find that out probably
multiple different ways is what I'm saying no I agree with that I like your theory I agree with you but but you got
to consider this Avenue that I'm thinking of here because regardless at the time that that
phone at the time of that phone call two things have occurred one Amy's already been abducted and two one either
her or the offender knew the phone number at that time or that phone Call's not getting placed
why is that phone call made it clearly being made to buy time for the abductor to buy time
okay explain yourself well he he needs Amy's mother to believe that she's fine right right don't call
the cops right she's not in my car she's not in my home she's she stayed late at
school to go to choir practice Amy's mom assumed that the call was coming from Amy calling from their home
after she came home late from this choir practice when in fact she's calling late because
she's been abducted by this time yeah yeah she didn't sound stressed because she wouldn't have sound stressed because
like you said Amy's mom thought those were coming from their home right I think Margaret's words were that she
sounded hurried she doesn't say stress she says that Amy sound hurried well yeah because I'm assuming the
abductor probably told her there's going to be some signs or whatever possibly he
said or just did the typical hurry up wrap it up who knows what he told her before she
made the call well what where I'm going with this is my old Theory and and I still it's still the theory that I like
the most for me but um the reason why I do these little exercises is because you can't hone in
on one Theory and just think that you're right you got to look at every aspect of
the case that's what a lot of people on the internet do so what I what I decided
to do was let's find a different angle here and actually this angle would 50 percent point to possibly the guy knew
Amy's family somehow maybe Amy didn't know him but he would have known her family and what I mean by that is the
phone calls that were going to the mahalovic home when he spoke to her there we don't know that he specifically
named where Margaret worked we don't know that he specifically named Margaret by name what I mean by that is I could
call somebody's home in 1989 and a little kid pick up the phone and used the same ruse that he used without using
the parent's name or where that parent worked his ruse was I I work with your mother
she recently got a promotion and we're going to get I need help picking out a gift for her
so so you didn't use the name and you have to use the title of work okay right I so I've always gone off of the
impression that because we don't we don't think he used Margaret's name or where she worked that maybe this guy
only pretended to know the mahalovic family right however if he abducts Amy and decides
that a phone call needs to be made to buy some time and Amy doesn't know her mom's work phone number or the name of
her mother's business then the offender must have so he knew the mahalovic family enough to know where Amy's mother
worked mm-hmm the other thing is she left her bicycle at the school and this goes along with this this whole
theory that maybe he knew where Margaret worked because why I don't understand because she could
have just rode her bike to the plaza helped him pick out a gift and then rode her bike home but let's let's say this
okay there's a chance that there may have been more than one phone call between him and Amy before he abducted
her or there's just one phone call it doesn't matter but the way that I the way that I could see this going is that
he's saying okay to himself let's see what I can get her to agree to and if I can get her to agree to this
then let's see how far I can take it so not only will you meet me to help pick out a gift for your mom sure I'll
meet you okay well you ride your bike to school just leave your bike at the school because the Plaza's within
walking distance just leave your bike at the school meet me at the plaza well why would she
do that why why would she do that unless being instructed to right right and the
reason why I suggest this is Amy was seen at the plaza that's how we know she went there right
if Amy was never seen at the plaza and she disappeared guess where they think she would have disappeared from from the
school because they would have found her bike at the school guess what that would
have pointed to a whole different pool of suspects that our offender may not be in he may not be in that pool of
suspects right so it takes him even further away from being detected yeah so so now I I
offered this up to James when I spoke to him because because if he abducted her he would
either have to abduct her and if and if there was any kind of commotion now he's gonna have to deal
with her plus a bike possibly her bike or at the very least her bike is found at the plaza exactly and they know she
disappeared from there yeah so then I offered this up here's Here's my thought here
Amy was a very smart girl and I don't know that she would agree to leave her bike and meet somebody without
believing she but she believed this guy but here's what I wonder he he's using the ruse that he works with her mother
already yeah Amy's mother worked hours every day after Amy was already out of school
here's maybe this is how the ruse goes down can you meet me at the shopping plaza we're gonna pick out something for
your mother leave your bike at the school because I'm going to take you to your mom's work with me after we get the gift
and not only can you be a part of helping to pick out the gift for your mother you can be there when it's
presented to her and your mother's going to drive you home from there or drive you back to
your bike right so I think that that's an easy way to get her convince her to leave that bike
at the school you can be a part of presenting this gift to your mother and guess what she's going to feel even more
safe now because not only are you doing something nice for her family but you're
also saying I'm going to deliver you to your mother yeah well I'm going to do the thing that you
normally hate that I do but it is it also possible that he just said meet me here and for whatever reason she
didn't take her bike well anything's possible anything's possible that's what you always hate you okay no no no of
course no you would be foolish to throw things out unless you have evidence to prove that you should throw those things
do we have any proof okay so she went home that day and then she left no that should that didn't happen
she went from the school to the plaza she was seen walking to the plaza and I think she even had a conversation with
somebody along the way in passing right okay so and she was seen she was physically seen by more than one student
at the plaza that day and to the point where the reason why we have the composite drawing of who they think took
her right is because somebody saw her speaking with a man that at the time the kid believed to be Amy's father
yeah so I just wonder if the plaza was close enough to the school where she was just like man I just won't take my bike
just be easier this way it's a it is a possibility it's close and maybe didn't have a chain for example and just
thought well I'll just leave it here well here was my thought and that's what I wanted that's why I posed the question
to James was because he would have seen the plaza many years before I did I wondered if if she just thought there
was nowhere to tie up her bike you know if there's nowhere to chain up my bike there then I should leave it at
the school right yeah and if that's the case then that's the case but then you also have this
situation where he may have asked her to and gave her good reason to leave the bike oh
because because if there would have been somewhere to chain up the bike wouldn't you think it's one less stop on
the way home that you could just go straight from the plaza to your house that's why I kind of wondered that I
wonder if he said She's Gotta she your mother got a promotion there's going to be a
celebration you know somebody's get uh so-and-so's getting a cake you and I are in charge of getting the gift
everybody's gonna say something nice clap and you'll be there and we'll we'll give her the gift together yeah or maybe
we're gonna go here then we're gonna go somewhere else or whatever right I know there could be a multitude of reasons
according to the the people at the plaza at the time there was no disturbance there wasn't
like they heard a kid screaming or an argument or anything like that so if that in fact is the case then one has
to believe that she willingly got into this vehicle now that also just makes me feel like
what if she shows up and she's like oh I know this dude but not like not like family friend but
like enough where she's like oh yeah I know that guy and she felt safe going with him that
that's a possibility that but I also wondered keep in mind I I think Amy was pretty pretty smart
and I almost think that that might have been off-putting to her for her to be of the belief that she does not know who
this guy is and then show up and she recognizes him I to me I just think back when I was 10
if I was going to meet somebody that I didn't know and all of a sudden I show up and I'm like well why didn't you just
say that you're Jim because I know you Jim right but but maybe she doesn't know Jim
right she doesn't know GM if Jim called and said hey Amy this is Jim should be like
well she wouldn't say this but she you know 10 year old kid I don't know who Jim is I work with your mom right
I don't know you it's just like you know my dad worked with a bunch of people that I don't fully know their name but
if but if if I was hanging out with my dad at work and they're like it's me Doug I would have been like oh yeah I
know who you are but like if he would have called the house I probably would have been like
I'm not really for sure who you are so under that scenario then if if I'm right believing that it would be
off-putting to her under that scenario he would have then told her on the phone no you do know me and and then when she
shows up she recognizes it right that's what I'm saying it's like maybe I'm not saying that she
I'm not saying that before she saw him at the at the plaza could she Point him out in a line up and say what his name
was I'm not saying that's how much she knew him I'm saying it's possible that she just recognized him enough
where she was just like oh this person because they're I'm sure look and this is going to sound bad but you
keep saying Amy's smart which I understand but this is a smart person that got tricked into doing something pretty
dumb right to go to this place where you don't know anybody and you're again you're 10 years old so you're a little
green is what I'm saying and so I think that when she showed up I'm sure that when she showed up
she is probably on somewhat of alert you see what I'm saying and I think that she saw this individual
and just was like oh yeah I know this person you know because like for example if
somebody called my house when I was fifth grade and said hey I'm coming over to pick up something that your father
left for me this is so and so from his work right ah I don't know I couldn't tell you the
people that my father worked with half the people's names and they showed up and I was like oh
yeah that's Larry I couldn't tell you Larry's name before he showed up you know I mean but once I
saw him and once he said his name was Larry on the phone I'm like yeah that's Larry
I'm and I'm not saying that this guy said his name on the phone because I I think he didn't
right it's generally believed that he did not give her a name right because I think because she never says his name to
anybody else right and I think if he and I think he knows that if he would have said his name or even something close to
his name that that that would have been enough of a mistake for people to catch him if he knew the family but all I'm
saying is there's something happen whether it's her walking up right away and looking at this individuals and
saying I know this guy from somewhere and now I'm at ease that's what I'm saying a fifth grader is
going to be at ease once they recognize that person no no no I or was the or was
there um and and maybe that's something to get down to or was there something that happened that put the uh Amy's mind
at ease see what I'm saying I agree with what you're saying but what I what I actually think may have happened was
I think she was already at ease I think she already believed the ruse and that's
the only reason why she went to the plaza to begin with and what I mean by that is like okay so
there's a suspect that that I like a lot but the problem is he he for him to have
been guilty it gets a little sketchy with his involvement okay so there's a guy named Martin Sabo so Martin Sabo was
one of Amy's very good friends the father of of one of her very good friends the problem with Sabo is can you imagine
if you're you're having a conversation with somebody on the phone that tells you that they work with your father they
don't give you their name they ask you to meet them somewhere at a plaza and then you get there and it's somebody
that's directly in your life your friend's dad right somebody that you've seen a hundred times somebody
that you know by name you see what I mean that's what I mean is it but you might not know their name
but you know them you'd recognize them no no this specific person she knew his name okay this Martin's I'm just using
him as an example right right what I'm what I'm saying is you know a lot of the times these cases are
committed by somebody that's very close to either the victim or the family where I have an issue with that is if
she if she knew the person before meeting the person she would have said the person by name but she didn't
giving the indicator that he probably didn't give his name and she didn't recognize his voice on the phone
what I'm getting at is I think she would she was already at ease when she showed
up there and that's the only reason why she went there to begin with I think it would have been very off-putting for her
to get there under the guise that I don't know this person and I I don't recognize their voice this person didn't
offer up their name or how they knew me and then I get there and it's somebody that I directly know yeah
I I get your thought process and and I respect your thought process but I I'm I think if she got there
that anybody that she somewhat knew right even if it's just that's my friend's dad
that's enough to keep her at ease I don't think it'd be that off-putting because
one it's a fifth grader you know what I mean like that's I just I don't know I think I think the way
you're thinking is more a thought of like a late middle school or maybe even a high
school kid but I think like just that point of your life if you showed up and you just
knew the person or recognized the person that would be enough to keep you at ease
that's what I'm saying I get that your your ideas that she shows up she doesn't think she knows him
no but I'm actually going under the assumption that in this in this Theory this this is just an angle that I'm
working I try to look at these at different angles and go what if this is a is a possibility right under this
Theory it's probably presented to her on the phone you don't know me I work with
your mother right right but I again you you walk there you it's probably a long way back to your
I mean I remember having to walk home from school a couple times no no no but what I'm saying is
with it with using somebody that's close to the family or close to Amy you don't think that you would find it
incredibly off-putting that the person tells you on the phone that you don't know me I work with your mother and then
you get there and it's clearly somebody that you know yeah but what I'm saying is if somebody
that you clearly know that they could say that the first the whole first part could be a complete ruse
and then they just go hey Amy what are you doing here they're like well I'm supposed to meet somebody to
get a you know gift from my mom oh really well I can wait with you okay that'd be nice
you know guy never this guy you don't know never shows up and then you're like hey well I'll just
take you home now you're in my car now we're gone well you bring up an interesting thing there because one
investigator regarding this case said and this is this is this is a terrifying thought
he said look there's a very small chance that this is what went down but maybe this can explain why we've
never solved this case and he said what if it's just pure coincidence that there's some creep
calling girls using this ruse of trying to get them to meet him somewhere she agrees to do it she shows up at the
shopping plaza and never encounters that man and it's just another random stranger
like you said that happens to come across her that day she mentions that she's supposed to meet
somebody and then he pretends to be that person and she gets into his vehicle willingly
and we've never been able to solve it because how can you make that connection how can
you make that that weird leap and then she goes missing it's widely reported this was a very
famous case at the time when she went missing and this creep that was calling girls in the area goes holy [ __ ]
I better get out of here or the calls were some kind of prank you know yeah from from whatever student
the only thing that I offer up to to combat that and those thoughts one that coincidence would be that's a huge
coincidence that would be a very rare thing and we're not talking about the one thing that I think is a
misconception in this case when we say shopping plaza on a Friday afternoon it sounds like there's hundreds and
hundreds of people there there were not there were there were very few cars in the parking lot there was
a dozen a couple dozen once you once you take away the employees of that place there was not a lot of people there that
day and then on top of that these girls that that were getting calls now as far as we know Amy was the only
one that was called in Bay Village as far as we know but now there were girls in surrounding areas that were
called as well if all these calls are connected and I believe that they are this guy had a
type he wasn't just randomly calling people out of the phone book he he had a type he had seen these girls
somewhere decided he was attracted to him and somehow he got their phone number and started making these phone
calls it's just so strange because there's not another case that you can connect to
Amy's to say we think this one is connected right right so that means a couple of
things either this was a single offense this was a single murder committed by this
person that that he abducted her things didn't go the way he thought they would and it the result was murder
right we kind of talked about that before because and he's never done it again or the individual completely left
the area yeah but but we know that she was raped there's some argument on both sides of
that fence again this this goes to the situation similar to the DNA situation like Renner said they've always been
very cagey about whether they have DNA or not now they've when I say they law enforcement
I don't have in my recollection any direct statement or quote from anyone investigating her case that said hands
down she was raped because because to me that changes though well your motive completely it
can still be sexual without the actual rape and the the reason why I believe there was a sexual aspect to this and
the reason why law enforcement believes it as well is it was it's believed that she she was
naked at the time of her murder right and the reason being is that she was found clothed
but when she was they believed she was dressed after the murder and the evidence of that is that the the
underwear that she was found wearing it was hers but it was inside out they believed that was a mistake that
the killer had made when he when he redressed her before dumping the body or didn't care
right right right right right just but like you said if there's some evidence of
I mean if she's murdered being naked then to me yeah like you said that suggests some kind of
sexual motivation and well here's the worst part of it and this is why you know like I I we got
into this I got into this case a couple weeks ago and I told you last week when we talked about it a little bit I said
look man I I had a [ __ ] breakdown last Friday night and you're like what are you talking about I'm like I I went
out I got [ __ ] hammered I've been I've been no but I I drank I drank out of stress I hadn't drank for four or
five days I was looking into Amy's case for every extra second that I had of every day and I just grew more and more
angry because we talked about Billy strewnack here the prob the thing that fear infuriates me about this case is
one the victim in her age and what I can only imagine was done to her but two there's like a bazillion people that
look like good suspects to the point where you're like why in the hell has this thing not been solved and to the
point where Billy strunek is just one of another one of these weird avenues that
you have to go down when you talk about this case I told you I said I had a [ __ ]
breakdown on Friday night about one or two in the morning I guess by that time it's Saturday morning but right but you
shouldn't stress drink this I'm sick worst time to drink I'm sitting in I'm sitting in the damn near dark in my
family room staring at a blank TV and I'm sitting there telling myself I'm calling the captain tomorrow and we're
and I've decided and I'm firing and no I was like I'm calling him tomorrow and I'm gonna let him know that I have to
for me talk about this case until there's nothing left to talk about anymore that's the only way I can get
out of this and I'm going to have to ask permission and and get his Blessing that
we can do this and then of course a few days later I realized you know I can't hijack the show and and do that but
we'll do whatever you want really but this is one of those cases it's never ending man it's never ending there's
there's there's a hundred thousand things to talk about in this case it's a weird situation where where
a man a grown man set on sexually assaulting a child decided that he was going to this is the terrifying thing he
basically walked into her home and convinced her to go with him via the phone right right right the the the the the
the most evil man you can think of use the telephone to walk into her home and get her to take his hand and leave
with him yeah but are they convinced that it's a man like a grown man like 20s 30s 40s I mean I know that well a
man was seen with her right before she wasn't seen again and the reason why I think they were
those eyewitnesses just because I'm not clear on that they were they were children that she went to school with
they were they were children that could identify Amy but not identify the man that was seen with him
but this individual could have been late high school early college and kids would have probably called him a man
well true but I think the reason why they've put that age on this person is there's a few psychological factors
involved that we won't get into but a lot of people said that Amy was with her father or thought they later after she
was gone more than one child said I just assumed she was talking to her father and what I think that means and why I
think they were able to put an age to that description of the man is that when other kids are saying I just
assumed it was his father her father they're saying that based off of how old he looks in comparison to Amy right
their fathers these are all kids about her same age their fathers would have been about the same age as Amy's father
so 28 too well that's so 50. well when we say I said late 20s early 30s when we were talking about Billy strewnack and
when we were talking about the the criminal profile put together by the FBI agents
I don't think that they based that off of eyewitness statements because when you look at the composite
drawing the first ones that started to come out they have a later age that they put on those that I think says like 35
to 45. right which would have roughly been uh you know would have been in the realm of of her parents ages yeah makes
a lot of sense the individual would have been about 25 when they had Amy so sister
um I got the coughs it's just um I don't know it's one of those cases where I think I got a
it's just some swallowed a bug um I did get an email about some guy I have no clue about anything because we just
get so many random emails and try to reply to as many as you can um I do get to them all eventually
I think I'm like behind like a 120 emails right now but um there was some email about a guy
working on a Amy podcast exclusive I'd love to do one I just don't know well I hope they do a good job because
I'll be pissed if they if somebody covers it and they don't do it's like it's like what you said with the mara
Murray case when you're like sweet oxygen is going to do a documentary on it oh wait I hope they do a good job
because there are cases that you get close to and you hold them in high regard yeah and it's harder for you to admit
that they did a good job yum you know what I mean well not no no no no no no no no no you hold them to a
higher standard going into it right that's what I mean but it's it's harder for them to get at that a boy right
because they have to really earn it they have to earn it and that's that's why I
think that documentary was so great The Disappearance of Mara Murray but also we
kind of talked about that I mean I was I was a little I mean I I want to say pissed off would be the right word
because we met Bob Ruff and um crime con last year and super cool guy yeah it's kind of like a mix between me
and you like if you put us smash this together probably drinks as much as you he he has
the investigative side of you um he has more of a captain build though with a beard he reminds me of there's a
sports guy that he reminds me of and I can't think of his name right now Mike Tyson no no no not an app not an athlete
sorry Bob not an athlete but um uh no a guy that has like a talk show Sports Talk Show Dan Le batard oh yeah
yeah he kind of reminds me not not 100 but it's probably just the dark beard you know but they kind of talk similar
yeah but it's like when when I found out that you know this season he's gonna cover West Memphis Three you're like
super excited but you're also like oh I hope he does a good job well I was a little pissed because we kind of talked
um and he would have no way of knowing this but we've talked like if we you know we did a three-parter on that we
always thought that we could dive into it more yeah it was the first wasn't it the first three-part show we had ever
done I think so and I think well we did OJ we did a three-part on OJ but I think we
really felt like with three episodes that are at least an hour long we're going to be able to
cover everything and there's so much we didn't man it was just the tip of the iceberg right and and we kind of talked
um roughly you know we got the show going and I think um I think we talked a little bit before
we started doing two parters every week um but not every week but but I think we talked a little bit about
oh we should do like a series like a long form because I've always been really interested I mean I've always
been uh super into any of the NPR stuff and and then NPR has been responsible pretty
much for serial and and s-town and all that stuff and and I think doing a eight part series or a 10-part series would be
really cool on the creative side of the making the podcast and he's doing it a little different
than that but I always thought you know we could do the definitive eight ten part series on West Memphis Three
um but but now I mean you've been listening to it I've only listened to a couple episodes
he might have he might be at like the 15 16 episode mark on it now I mean he's done a bunch of them I don't have a
direct number right in front of me but but his format is a little different than ours and it's a unique format I I
actually I really enjoy the format where he will release a show that's kind of packed with information on a specific
subject and then he'll do a follow-up episode that is kind of him answering questions that that listeners have come
up with based off of the information they've just received and it gives him a chance to clarify some things because
you know we report some things in and there are times where we'll talk a day or two later and we're like we got into
it about this thing but we only got about 80 percent through that one part yeah you know when and we you know so uh
recording this show is so frustrating to me because oh I think he's gonna do he I think with with the format he has
well I was trying to say 50 in format at the same time right I think with the format that he has that you're looking
at he's probably gonna do 50 episodes on The West Memphis Three case I I just wish I had the time to listen to it all
you know and it only takes about two hours a week well I'm teasing it well it doesn't I know how busy you are well
it's not that I don't have the time I have the time to devote to listen to it the problem is is I won't because
I think it's important to dive into the case whatever case we're covering that week and and I really try to just focus
on that and if I'm going to watch something or if I'm going to listen to another show about a case it's going to
be about that case right and so like you know I have uh you know I used to probably Listen to I bet 10 to 15
hours a week of podcast and I'm probably on average now listen to two to three just because
you know my job um you know even outside of the podcast all my job is audio so I can't listen
you know I used to work at a bank and so I'd be plugging in numbers and I could listen to a podcast when I plugged in
numbers um and I'm really bad I can't listen to a podcast and reply to emails right because what will happen is I'll
have to turn off my brain of listening to reply to the email and then when I go back to listing I'm going I don't even
know what the hell they're talking about anymore but so I probably listen to about two to three hours of podcast a
week now two to four and I listen to my um This American Life every Sunday or Monday night and I listen to Chris Delia
congratulations and that's pretty much all you know well the car is a good place for me to listen to podcasts yeah
I've kind of I listened to very little radio anymore and I've kind of replaced that all with podcasts when I'm driving
right the only issue with that especially when it comes to True Crime for me is that
um eventually my driving trip ends and they might not be done talking about the case
yet all right you know so so sometimes I don't make it all the way through episodes
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Brief Summary

The episode analyzes new theories about Amy Mihalovic's abduction, focusing on details surrounding her phone call and potential connections to her abductor.

Key points

The Importance of Details. In every crime, there's a mistake made by the offender. Finding that mistake is key.
Amy's Last Call. Amy called her mother after her abduction, raising questions about the call's purpose.
The Ruse Unfolds. A chilling theory emerges about a potential ruse leading to a child's abduction.
The Emotional Toll. The discussion reveals the emotional impact of the case on those investigating it.
The Case's Complexity. The investigation reveals a web of suspects and unanswered questions.
Podcast Over Radio. The speaker shares how they've shifted from radio to podcasts while driving.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Amy kept me up for three or four nights.

Reflecting on the impact of the case on personal life.

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Tension

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