Brianna Maitland /// Part 2 /// 255 | Forensic Files

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gather around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime thank you Brianna's parents the maitlands fielded
hundreds of tips about Brianna's possible whereabouts in the days and weeks after her disappearance and they
heard it all you know she was kidnapped and killed or she was tied to a tree she was in a lake
she was fed to Hogs but about a month after Brianna disappeared an anonymous phone call came
in to Bruce Maitland that said Brianna was being held in a Cellar at a farmhouse on Reservoir Road in Berkshire
which is just about 15 minutes away from the Black Lantern Inn at Bruce's insistence on April 15 2004
police went to the house in question and found that the house was occupied by none other than Ryan's in Jackson the
last names of the two drug dealers that we had discussed in the first episode a young local couple was also present at
this home these are two individuals both 17 years old at the time now police were
granted permission to search the premises and saw in plain sight drug paraphernalia cocaine pot and drugs but
there was no sign of Brianna and the house didn't even have a Cellar right police arrested all four present
and questioned them they all professed to know Brianna but no one knew where she was or what had happened to her
they were arraigned and released in Jackson and Ryan they actually left the area shortly after this occurred it's
unknown who made the anonymous call alleging Brianna was at the house in July of 2004 Brianna's parents and
their private investigators sifted through rumors about their daughter's disappearance one
thing they heard from multiple sources was Brianna's body could be found in a manure pit on a farm in Sheldon
the manure pit was drained uh Brianna was not in it the maintenance also followed up on tips taking them to New
York City and other places they even borrowed an underwater slash underground camera to search parts of the area which
included a river and the river in question actually had portions that were were now ice free by the time these
searches were being conducted that would have had ice there when Brianna disappeared right Brianna's parents
accepted help from an organization that helps to find missing persons this group
is mja incorporated and this is an investigations group that is self-funded and does not charge the families for
work done on their behalf mja Personnel claims to have found some items in a ditch under some brush near the crime
scene and we say crime scene we mean where her vehicle was found these were a pair of Victoria's Secret
underwear matching Brianna's size there was a syringe found as well and some zip ties with hair in them mja
turned all of these items over to the Vermont State Police if tests were ever run on the syringe
zip ties or underwear we are never told of these results right but in October of
2004 two mja employees processed Brianna's car after it was released by The Vermont State Police lab according
to Mark Harper of mja he found traces of vomit on the door frame of the car on both sides a light blue syringe cap was
also found and a minute traces of blood were found using a black light well they
believed that the syringe cap matched the syringe that they found in the ditch they also found three green fibers
possibly from the trim of a jacket or a cuff or hem that this didn't seem to these fibers
didn't seem to match anything found at Brianna's home or where she was staying so what we mean by this indication is
that these fibers could have come from somebody else right other than from something that Brianna was wearing now
what mja proclaims to have found in the car has been met with significant skepticism
the thing here is a you you have to wonder how unlikely it may have been for the Vermont State Police to have missed
all of this evidence I'm not saying that they would have missed some of it or any
one piece of this evidence it seems difficult for me to believe that they would have missed all of this evidence
inside the small confines of that car well they also claimed that there was still fingerprint tape that was left
from law enforcement that looked like there was fingerprints that they could you know like when they
pulled off the tape that they could see fingerprints and why weren't those taken
and why weren't those processed as what basically mja is claiming yes and I saw that report as well I left out the
fingerprint information because of the rebuttal by the Vermont State Police stating that those were deemed to be
unusable prints for whatever reason yeah I think they said they were unreadable there you go
um so here's the thing or you know regarding this evidence or possible we should say possible evidence
as to what had happened it's hard to believe that they missed all of it but let's say that they did or let's say
that they found it and for whatever reason deemed it to be unrelated because this car was in their possession for
quite some time before mja was able to process the car right so regarding the the vomit the blood
any thoughts they are captain of of what you you feel because here's what my gut
tells me regarding the fibers okay so these fibers are rather small um as we said it's likely they did not
come from Brianna right but this car is almost 20 years old and it's the inside as we described it there's
there's litter and trash all over this car yeah it looks like somebody's either living out of this car or that they just
use their car as a trash can yeah so it becomes very difficult to and again I I believe
law enforcement when they say hey these are unreadable Prints but when you say that you found vomit
well dried vomit well was this something that happened a month before she went missing and she just didn't clean it up
I mean there's cans of tuna there's trash everywhere so one night you get a little drunk and you throw up and you
clean most of it up and there's some um residue left over yeah right or you're sick and you get sick
um the blood as far as I'm concerned same thing I kind of lump all these three things together the vomit the
blood and the fibers well but you can test the blood to find out if it's hers right but what I mean by this is not not
look you it could go either way obviously we don't know we just don't know it could actually be evidence of
something or this car is 20 years old and it wasn't well kept on the inside of this vehicle like you said any of this
stuff could have come from not just days or weeks before but it could have come even years before for all we know I it
doesn't look like they were in the habit of cleaning out the inside of this vehicle right
so there's a decent chance at least in my mind that there's a possibility that all three of these items have literally
zero connection to what actually happened and there has never been a real connection established between uh the
victim and the underwear that was found in the ditch right and we don't again I mean when you have needles involved and
you have rumors of drug use you then question and then you have the zip ties are you using the zip tie to tie your
arm off you know to inject something into you are you using the underwear to tie your
arm off um these are possibilities when there's rumors of drug use so we have Harper he's the independent
investigator that quote unquote found um things in the vehicle and he would state that he found enough things in the
vehicle to back up his theory and his theory is that Brianna was the victim of a serial killer operating in the area
who leaves little to no trace of evidence behind basing this on he based this off of footprints found on takeout
containers on the floor of her car and the rear view mirror supposedly being bent backwards
stating that he believes that there was some kind of struggle that took place in
the vehicle that started in the front seat and may have moved to the back seat and then to the outside of the vehicle
he states that he believes that Brianna was ultimately subdued by using a hot shot or a quick dose of an
incapacitating drug and then the killer abducted and killed her I need to use that with the syringe yes okay
so again though I have but you have a guy that is supposedly a serial killer that doesn't leave behind evidence and
he's leaving behind a syringe right so but it's possible I mean we've seen plenty of serial killers
start killing people and get very sloppy it is very possible but again the evidence that he points to to suggest
this Theory I call in a question again footprints on containers that were in the vehicle
I mean if if he could tell me that those containers didn't make their way into that vehicle until like 24 hours before
she disappeared then maybe I'll believe that those Footprints had something to do with her disappearance but again just
like all the other items we discussed those containers could have been in that car for a year right before we know if
they're boot prints or whatever and then you go okay well we have we know that this killer wears this type of boot Ah
that's but how are we going to know that that killer wears that type of boot he's
I'm just going off of his words I don't have a whole lot of I'm saying information on this Theory I'm just
using the thought that he says that this this serial killer leaves no evidence behind right but when when the guy says
hey there's some evidence we got these Footprints do those Footprints match another case and if they do then I think
you have to keep an open mind to that could be a possibility I mean she's only you know a a mile and a half less than a
mile and a half from her her work where she left that that's very strange I mean
could she have picked somebody up you know did she pick somebody up in the parking lot before she left
um those are all possibilities the other thing I wonder while we're on the topic
and we'll get back to the car again because there's a lot to talk about with the car I feel but the thing I wonder
too here Captain is it something as innocent on on Brianna's behalf could she have pulled off the road
thinking she either forgot something at work or needed to turn around to go to a
different direction for any number of reasons pull off the road and then kind of slammed it into reverse and
accidentally backed into the side of the we've all had accidents right so very possible
or one of my thoughts too was you know she gets off work if these drug rumors are true if the heavy drug use is
true is she leaving work and pulling off the side of the road to do some drugs real
quick and this is a banded area and then you do a little drugs and then for whatever
reason she gets a little freaked out oh man I gotta get out of here or maybe a cop Drives By or a couple cars drive by
she starts getting freaked out I gotta get out of here throws into reverse hits the barn
well after after about a year went by we do have some of Brianna's family would say that they were starting to give up
hope that she would ever be found alive but they did still continue to search for her but then years would go by yeah
and in 2007 Brianna's parents moved away from the area to New York to the state of New York well and let's dive into
that a little bit more because you're of the mind and I've been of the mind too if you have a missing person in your
family you don't want to leave the area but during the investigation it came out
that um Brianna was molested by 18 year old male I believe that neighbor yeah I believe that male was a direct neighbor
and the family was getting threats the family was getting there was just a lot of stuff happening and plus now
you're you have this information you didn't have before about a neighbor and now you have to see that person's very
small town so this is one of the cases of a missing person where when somebody says we left because things
were getting bad I believe them we've seen it in so many other cases where somebody is actually a suspect in the
person going missing and they they jump town I'm always suspicious of that but I'm not suspicious of it here well and
and like you said we usually think that's a huge red flag but that would be especially in the case of younger
missing persons true where Brianna being 17 she and here's the vibe I get to Captain with Brianna and obviously I
don't know but I feel like this was a young adult you know 17 years old about to be an adult
I really feel like this was somebody if she was getting her life on track like her mother says I kind of feel like this
is a 17 year old going on 25. right you know this was somebody that was ready to
venture off into the world and hold herself and carry herself like an adult now the thing that the thing that I also
found too regarding this and you put it in a in better more detailed terms was that we have Bruce I'm Batman her father
he said in the course of his searches for his daughter he confronted a lot of people demanding to know whether they
knew anything and this created a lot of enemies for him and his family and as you pointed out uh they received threats
uh in the process of looking for their daughter Bruce was working in the first the
forestry industry as well and he publicly said that the strain on him was was big time and this is because he you
know he'd be out in the woods and finding scraps of clothing in the woods or seeing buzzards circling around it
was like or if he saw a fire he would have to check it out yeah he I mean he he's at work and he can't get away years
later he can't get away from this could this could have something to do with my daughter's disappearance or
this this could be finding my daughter today while I'm at work well it really makes you feel bad for the family and I
think in a lot of these cases we see um you know there's talk about the victim but we don't talk so much about I
mean the effect that this has on the family members is devastating it's life-changing forever
let's get into some of the rumors because we've kind of been circling around this and but there are some very
that uh very specific rumors that have raised questions in this case the first according to several inside sources a
lime wedge was found on the trunk of Brianna's car right this despite the car having backed into the barn or the the
I'm sorry The Farmhouse and a portion of that Farmhouse collapsing onto the trunk
of the car right so it's not known exactly where this line was found the lime gave rise to a slew of rumors that
there was a party at the Dutch burn house that night there is quite a bit of debate whether people hung out at that
house at that abandoned house we do know that a gun and drug paraphernalia was found inside there
um could this have been a possible meeting place for teenagers or used by dealers or a meet-up spot right but on
the other hand here's the thing on the other side of the coin captain it seems a bit weird to me it seems to
make a little sense to me for illegal activities to be conducted at what I would consider to be such a visible spot
on a well-traveled road and what I mean by that is her car is only there for a limited time
and we have several people stating hey I saw her car there that night right there's no evidence of a party and what
I mean by that is we have eyewitnesses that saw her car we don't have a single eyewitness that I've seen or that I've
read about that saw multiple cars there where there was a party right now it could be that again could it is it
possible that she met people after work and they decided Well let's go down to this barn and and do some drugs and have
a little little tiny party that is possible but again there's no evidence of that
well like you pointed out earlier she's less than a mile and a half away from the Black Lantern Inn this is a bar and
restaurant where I would expect to see and find lime wedges yeah put the lime in the coconut and we already reported
the low temperature that night was eight degrees right A lot of people argue that
this lime would be in contact with alcohol so therefore it wouldn't freeze and that's also not true
just also depending on like is in the proof isn't there something to do with the proof that yeah so the alcohol by
volume would would be in direct relation to whether it would freeze or not right
and again this wouldn't have to be in contact somebody could just have lime and water or whatever or it could be
somebody some people like to cut up the limes or the lemons and and and chew on them and eat them so is it possible
somebody was out by her car or was somebody just being a jerk and threw it and I hit her car and she
didn't even know it was there I mean it's uh well if it was discarded after somebody was done with their drink or if
somebody kind of you know you just kind of you toss out the drink with keeping the the glass in your hand if that were
to occur I would assume that if this is a mixed drink and that's what I would expect to find a lime on
um or in if they were discarding their drink it could be that it was the drink was
considerably watered down by that point and again like I said the low temperature that night is eight degrees
we know that we know we have to believe that she wrecked her car between the time of leaving work which is about 11
30 at night and between the the first sighting of the vehicle yeah which was just midnight or one o'clock depending
on how you read that report so that's that's a half an hour to an hour and a half later and at that time of night I'm
going to expect it to be very close to the lowest temperature of the night right again if the lime is on her on the
roof of her car and we're also talking about it's a big trunk yeah so it's not like
the small trunks that we have today so she hits the this building or whoever hits the building and even if the line
moves a little bit it could still stay on the trunk I think it has nothing to do with this case I think it's simply
she worked at a bar she was a mile and a half from the bar I'm sure there's constantly things put
on her car I I don't think it has much to do with anything I had one time one uh when I
was married that I was digging a ditch and I needed to go to the store to get a new shovel and I took my I had my ring
off while I was digging and was on the back of my car on the bumper I drove miles went to the store then drove miles
back and luckily the the ring stayed on the car but so I I just don't put a lot of weight into this whole lime thing if
it was even there we got it we got to keep in mind that this is a we're going through the rumor section of what was
going on I'll just assume that it it seems like a strange thing for someone to just make up so let's go with that it
was true but again I'm gonna go back to she was coming from a place where I would expect to be many lime wedges you
know it's a bar it's a restaurant right you know I think that it was likely Frozen to the vehicle before she even
left there now another rumor in the case that has been Central to this case has to do with a story told by Brianna's
mother that Brianna seems to have seen someone or something that day when they were at the mall the same day that she
went missing that that shook her up yeah remember there she had this uh thing happened where Brianna went into
the parking lot then came back and she was shooking up so one witness much later told Maitland Family private
investigator that he had been told by someone unnamed that this individual went to the mall
and warned Brianna to not go to work that night right so I mean I I guess this would go probably
go back to something we talked about on yesterday's show did she has she made some type of enemy or did
she owe somebody money or was this something to do with the local drug scene right or the girl that punched her
in the face multiple times the other thing too that the true two drug dealers that we've discussed on the
show that there seems to be some possible connection if not directly with Brianna or would have been with maybe
some of the people she some of the circles she ran in right would be this Ryan's and Jackson character
here's the thing okay I got to believe look in a lot of these cases that we've covered especially when we go back to
like the 60s or 70s there's always the rumor of well so and so must have owed a drug dealer money and they didn't pay up
so the dealer came after him and killed him right okay let's think about that for a second
now I understand that crazy things do happen and that mathematically not everything always works out but can we
just agree that the overwhelming majority of the time when when a situation like that goes down it's
because somebody owes a considerable amount of money or a considerable amount of drugs to someone
a a pot dealer doesn't go after somebody for a hundred bucks and kill them it just it it it does not happen
oh well it depends on how you run the streets you know no but can can we agree I think as a
whole as all of the garage Army I think we need to just agree that that's not the way that these things go down so
that's not how I run my streets well that's fine but the thing what I'm what I'm trying to get at here is
then if we have to under if we go down the thought of her being killed for drug money or a debt that that was owed to
drug dealers right that also means that those drug dealers permitted Brianna to rack up a huge debt
that typically doesn't happen usually often when somebody sells somebody something or fronts them something
if they're not paid for it they don't front them again and again and again and again and again right but this also I
mean we have rumors that she was doing not just smoking pot but you know possibly
smoking crack and then on top of that getting a job the rumor was that she got the second job to pay off a debt
right but I I don't know how that counters what I was saying about racking up a a large debt oh but you could rack
up it might not be over and over it could have been a one-time thing where this person felt like Hey we're pretty
you know not only are you buying drugs for me but we're friends all you need this much coke or you need this much
whatever and or maybe heck for all we know the the it was she was going to sell it for him or
something and something went bad she owed him a bunch of money right I no I agree with that
um but I agree with your theory that a drug dealer is not going to let her rack up a debt over a period of time what I'm
saying is there is that possibility of hey one time thing you know because this is a 17 year old
that's living on their own and needs money right so well and then on top of that
though so as far as the drugs that we mentioned uh as being well not just mentioned but what we know was being
brought into the area most of those you would have to sell a huge quantity for them to be expensive
you know the only expensive drug in that list is cocaine right and usually people
don't front somebody you know hundreds of dollars or thousands of dollars of cocaine especially somebody they don't
know very well well a guy might to a pretty girl the other thing we have to consider too is if somebody owes a debt
to a drug dealer if you kill the person that owes the debt you can't collect on that debt
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let's get into um I know we've already touched on some of the theories here Captain but there
are some that we've not really dove into yet and one that really speaking of Creeper van let's take out the van part
this Theory really creeps the hell out of me and probably a lot of others out there and this was a very popular Theory
early on that someone was hiding in the backseat of Brianna's car while she was at work and as she drove down east
Berkshire Road was attacked and maybe the attack caused the accident somehow into the abandoned house and then this
person hiding in her car abducted her yeah possible I mean again we have the rumors of the threats being made to not
go to work she goes to work anyways because she needs the money and then the person that maybe threatens her or the
group of people that threatens her goes hey we're going to teach her a lesson when she gets in the car we'll be
waiting and I know that sounds very urban legend ish right but we do have Bruce Maitland he initially embraced
this Theory and police did say that it's still considered a possibility to this day
so did the perp wait in the car and wait for her to pull off away from work there's a couple things that might be
tricky about that we don't know how long her shift was that day or when this person would have entered the vehicle we
do know it was very cold out that night it seems like um somebody sitting there quite bored
and quite cold for maybe hours waiting for this individual to return that's why I would think it would be involved with
the threats because there's the people that were making threats to her would know what time she was starting possibly
what time should be ending as well you also have to you bring up a good um possibility
could someone you have to wonder could somebody go into the establishment and get a feel for when she might be leaving
that night and not have to wait out there in the cold right the other thought too and this was a theory that
is interesting we have the thought that Brianna was ambushed by multiple people with some type of Roadblock that may
have forced her to pull over and then she was taken from that abandoned house area
this to me seems less likely than the perpetrator hiding in her car the only reason why I say that is because the way
this theory is reads implies multiple individuals working together we already discussed that this
is an area with no cell service this would further complicate individuals working together plus that we never hear
of any evidence or could find of any evidence stating that there were skid marks on the road right but if we want
to talk all these possible you know crazy possibilities there's people it's the threats aren't
coming from one person the threats coming from multiple people we know that that is something that spooked or we
know that they didn't want her to go to work for whatever reason that's evidence
we do have so if these individuals didn't want her to go to work who knows why right or but but
but a warning doesn't it could be either way it could be somebody saying we don't
you know we don't want her to go to work for whatever reason or someone that knows of something that could be going
down and trying to say hey it's unsafe for you to go to work right I but I think most people believe the threat
that was made while she was shopping was don't go to work not that something as bad is going to happen like you better
not do that so she goes to work could somebody be in the backseat of her car possibly could somebody be uh could they
run her off the road possibly could they set up a roadblock possibly could somebody be in the backseat of her car
and they set up a roadblock also the all these things are possible I think we just have such lack of evidence
of these things I think that you're right there and I I would agree with if I had to pick one or two of those
being as being more likely the roadblock is the one to me that doesn't make a lot
of sense because we've already discussed it well the reason why it makes sense though is it's the reversing and hitting
the barn from reverse and if you set up a roadblock like maybe you'd be like what the hell is happening here and then
you'd slow down but once you slow down enough where you'd see who was in the cars of the roadblock or who was out of
the cards of the roadblock then you might punch it back into gear because you're gonna have to hit this Barn going
35 40 miles an hour and that's pretty fast going in reverse so that's the only reason why that that theory is plausible
to me yeah I agree with that what I meant was that it's a busy road that we've we've
already discussed how many people we think we're traveling on the road after midnight that night and it seems to me
like a roadblock would have been tough for to pull off and not have anybody else see it or say hey there was some
strange activity going on but just before midnight yeah right I agree fully with that yeah then there's the other
Theory and this might be even more plausible that that Brianna met someone at the abandoned house or near the
abandoned house the night that she uh went missing and was abducted from there so pointing to the possibility of a
struggle inside her car or just outside of her car her family has stated that they do believe that there was a
possible struggle at this scene some investigators believe that there may have been a violent confrontation inside
the vehicle we discussed that earlier this based on the the lights and the blinkers going on and off
so things scattered around inside and outside of the car as well as those reports about The Lights being on the
blinkers being on the blinkers not being on there is the report from the police that
states a broken piece of jewelry was found outside of the vehicle again here's what I would like to hear
in this situation a broken piece of jewelry was found outside of the vehicle we know that the officer picked it up
assumed that it came from the vehicle so he put it back in the vehicle and then had the vehicle towed right can we get
anybody friends or family to say yes that was a piece of her jewelry right because just like what we discussed
about the vehicle being almost 20 years old and items inside of it could have been there for years for months for
weeks that broken piece of jewelry could have just happened to landed there years
ago you know or months ago right if you could prove it was hers it leans that evidence leans towards the idea that
there would be a struggle at that scene what I think points more towards a direct connection between uh to our
victim or our missing person is the loose change that is a rumored to have been found on the ground outside of where the
car would have been so we talked about what she we do know that she wore to work that night that apron that had
pockets on the outside of it we don't have family or friends to tell us what else she was wearing that night but here
just a general thought is either she still has that apron on or maybe it's on her lap and either through the course of
some kind of struggle or even just the simple Act of getting out of the vehicle at that scene of the abandoned house
could cause loose change to come out of those pockets and fall onto the the ground there what I'm getting at with
this is you're saying well what does that point to to me that kind of points to Brianna could have very likely or was
very likely at that scene right that night so let's go back to 2006 for a minute
this is when the Maitland started to work with a private investigator named Greg overacker the maitlands were very
frustrated with what they perceived as a lack of progress in the case and at about the same time they're getting
assisted by Kelly Maitland's sister Tammy they have their website up and going right and they're receiving
several tips and some of these tips are about a man called The Joker now according to tips The Joker whom police
later identified as Jorge Soto 26 years old of Springfield Massachusetts was an associate of Raymond Ryan's and
Nathaniel Jackson the two uh very well-known drug dealers by our listeners at this point Soto reportedly bragged
repeatedly that he had killed Brianna people in Richford said that Soto was Notorious in their town for having quote
strangled a puppy to death at a party with his bare hands and quote this is believed because it's barking got on his
nerves when the police questioned Soto about his boastings concerning Brianna he told them that his claims were only
bravado made up to make him quote appear big and mean end quote in the eyes of those that He dealt drugs to right but
he was big and mean well he was certainly mean I didn't see the size of this man but I'll I'll go on your word
but even after police questioned him Soto reported continue to tell people that he killed Brianna and even told one
group of teens he buried her body in a cornfield behind a house he occasionally occupied
so the the thing here is that I did see someone and this is tough because I couldn't find the actual information
myself but I found someone discussing that Soto was actually arrested and put in jail
prior to Brianna's disappearance and he was he was released the day before she disappeared yes so I went down that
trail and I was thinking well this person's going to say that he was locked up and he couldn't have done anything to
Brianna but according to this source which I've not been able to verify he he was arrested but was in fact released
just the day before he would have been somewhat in this area is the thing that we do know at the time of her
disappearance right I wonder if there's any well they probably didn't ask but I wonder if what if he went to that bar
that night saw her he knows her through her other drug dealer connections hey can you give me a ride
that you know and but there's nothing that I have found that puts him in that town
that day right in law enforcement I think their claim is we would have known if he's in town ah you wouldn't know
there's 13 of you right you'd know if he's in town for a while but you wouldn't know the minute he had there's
not some radar that goes off so it's definitely impossible I think it's very creepy and you gotta be a giant piece of
[ __ ] to walk around telling people that you're responsible for this and then when the cops come up on you you say ah
I'm just bragging to you know to make myself look bigger well and then go back to stating that you did kill her after
you're done talking to the police right but they need to follow up on some of these rumors I mean if he's talking
about burying her and this cornfield you know how much does it cost to get cadaver dogs to go out and and search it
would seem to me like I can come to two conclusions regarding Jorge Soto or the Joker right we we either have an
individual that actually killed Brianna or we have a guy that's a freaking [ __ ]
okay that's the only two conclusions I can come to with this guy now he's both according to Greg overacker
um the private investigator he stated that Soto eventually ended up being sent to a mental health facility and to
prison as well the other prevailing Theory another prevailing Theory I should say that while questioning locals
friends and AC acquaintances of Brianna Greg over anchor repeatedly heard the following story
there was a late night party in Richford the night Brianna disappeared overacher
was told Brianna attended and something horrible happened to her at the party some people said she was killed at the
party others said she overdosed others said she was deliberately overdosed right several reports that overacker
heard had Brianna's body disposed of quote on a farm somewhere in Franklin County
so under this Theory she would have attended the party after crashing the car in my opinion the time frame between
the witnesses seeing her leave work and then seeing the car around 12 to 1 o'clock right it's seems
likely that this is too short of a time period for her to have gone to the party
OD'd and someone then ditched the car at the Dutch burn place before the witnesses saw the car
so if this is the case then does the car crashing into the barn have anything to
do with what happened to Brianna it seems unlikely that the car crash is just incidental in my opinion and then
her going to a party and dying of a drug overdose that same night right Brianna's
friend Katie believes that at least four locals know exactly what happened that night one was someone she considered a
friend until he told her he was present when he witnessed quote The Light leave Brianna's eyes
Brianna's friend Megan who says Brianna was involved in drugs also believes that
Brianna ODed and that the locals covered it up to hide the lethal overdose by a minor and their own involvement
other possibilities that have been raised over the years we have a situation where Bruce and Kelly Maitland
received a confidential tip concerning a 32 year old Burlington man named Gerald
Montgomery the tipster told the maitlands that Montgomery was an associate of Ryan's and Jackson
we'll get into the story but one thing I want to point out here Captain there's a
lot of rumors going on about what could have happened to this girl doesn't it seem crazy that most of them seem to
the names Ryan and Jackson keep coming back up yeah they're they're either Associates or they know or they were
involved in somehow well and all the rumors about her drug use if if you believe on one side that she was
cleaning herself up or if you believe that she was getting more into it or depending on it's a depending on what
kind of habit you think she had obviously people she's getting drugs from Play A Part in that and they're
going to play a part in a lot of different scenarios I gotcha I got you it's it's like if drugs if you believe
drugs were any way involved at all right in her life then because of two well-known drug dealers are are in the
storytelling right because if she's doing crack or heroin from these guys and she does these drugs that night and
she dies from a OT well guess who the cops are also going to come after yeah the people with the bad drugs so
so regarding this Gerald Montgomery the tipster said that um that he had something to do with this
now the maitlands are already aware of Montgomery at this point I would believe and this would be through newspapers
because in March of 2005 Montgomery raped beat and strangled to death a 31 year old woman this is Laura
winterbottom the rape murder took place in a vehicle on Burlington Street after his arrest it was learned that
Montgomery worked in Burlington at worked in a Burlington elementary school but was con a convicted sex offender in
New York so he was a convicted sex offender in New York and then moved to the Vermont
area and started working in the school before he killed this woman yeah I don't know the details of of him being
involved in Brianna's case or leading to her disappearance just this is somebody
that we know is capable of murder and it sounds like he was in the immediate area
at the time in 2008 the Vermont State Police issued a press release saying the following investigators believe that
there is a strong indication that Brianna is in fact a victim of Foul Play there is no evidence at all at this time
to indicate that Brianna willingly left the area so it sounds to me like in 2008
the Vermont state police were kind of back to square one in a sense because square one started
off being that they thought that she was either uh some kind of runaway or just an irresponsible teenager that would
turn up eventually right so in 2015 a Canadian investigative journalist named tarek started looking into the case now
tarek says he's 100 certain that Brianna's disappearance was drug related although not because she owed a debt she
was quote made to Disappear by several people in that business not just a random killer but people said you know
but people she knew according to tarek tarek believes that the murder was planned that Brianna was warned about it
that day at the mall and she chose to ignore the warning both overacher he's the private investigator and Tarik agree
that there is a conspiracy of Silence around this case and agree to some extent about Brianna's fate overactor
thinks that at least three people know directly what happened to Brianna but it may be a group different from Ryan's and
Jackson the two drug dealers so in other words that locals were involved right he
says up to 15 people likely have information on the case looking into this case recently over Act heard from
an informant that a car followed Brianna that night from the Black Lantern and forced her to pull over and grabbed her
according to this informant multiple people were at the Dutch burn house when Brianna was taken and the car was
disposed of or wanted to be disposed of the informant told overacher that a tall
male attempted to drive the car but his knees got in the way and he accidentally
crashed it into the side of the abandoned house these people all were complicit in or had knowledge of
Brianna's death and Disposal the informant was not a was not local to this case but moved in the same circles
as those responsible he said that Brianna was buried on a piece of property a private property somewhere in
the area now we would be remiss if we didn't discuss a possible case connection right
Captain there is one other theory that has now been well yeah I think some would say it's been
debunked by law enforcement and Brianna's family but it's an intriguing one and one that we should mention part
of the reason that Brianna's case received so much attention from the media and the public from the get-go was
because it seemed all too familiar there is another case of a young woman taking
off in her car destination maybe unknown crashing it in the dark Rural Road in the upper New England area and Vanishing
from the face of the Earth yeah and of in fact this case took place only 90 miles from
where Brianna went missing and it occurred just five weeks earlier and yes we are talking about Mara Murray let me
just start off with the whole idea of only 90 miles if you said hey uh I'm moving don't worry it's only 90 miles
away that's that's a far distance yeah and remember we had this when we discussed
the case of the two murdered ladies that were both out jogging right and they were killed within like sorry I don't
have my notes in front of me but it would have been like a roughly a week of one another and they both happen to be
out jogging when when they were attacked by by separate individuals right the cases were not related at all but they
were in the general same area of the country and they were both doing the same activity when they were attacked those
cases had nothing to do with one another one thing I will say here though that that I think it's appropriate to
get into it here is that I do understand the math you know everybody says regarding Mara Murray and they say it as
well with Brianna Maitland's case well that's because you went to school for a computer no but they say the math do you
understand the mathematics of someone having to they happen to be in an accident and
before they could get to safety or get to another location they cross paths with a serial killer
yes I understand how ridiculous that would be the probability of that happening and then let's factor in that
it was the same serial killer that is as close to I mean we're not even talking about lightning striking
twice we're talking about something even more improbable than that but what is far more likely is that the
two could have ended with the similar fate right we could have a situation here where both did accidentally
crash their cars and they cross path with across paths with a killer someone that would go on to attack abduct and
kill them not necessarily the same individual and what I mean by that is we've covered
enough cases Captain we've seen plenty of times where somebody they didn't wake up that day with the intention of
abducting attacking and killing somebody but by the end of the their day that's what happened for whatever reason and
maybe it's because they came across the their eventual victim just by happenstance right
so if there is any relationship between these two cases in my opinion would be that it's just a similar set of
circumstances not that they're in fact related in any other way so where the case stands today we have
Lieutenant Glenn Hall says cops have worked this case to death but still can't offer closure to the family Hall
believes that the tips regarding drug abuses parties and overdoses were exaggerated and there is no real
evidence that Brianna was involved in the drug scene as the rumors claim he stated in 2014 that authorities do have
quote Persons of Interest in the case but in a surprise Revelation reported by WCAX in March of 2016. police indicated
that they have DNA evidence obtained from Brianna's vehicle and that they continue to work the case as a case of
missing of a missing person with suspected to hear that though with suspected Foul Play
as of March 2018 the Vermont State Police say that the case is still active with
several leads but no clear suspect so what are your thoughts on the this case here Captain well this one is very
difficult I think for two reasons one that you can basically take all the actual evidence
and put it on a very small piece of paper the amount of rumors you could put the
actual evidence on the lime wedge probably yes and then you could fill a whole book with the rumors yeah and
that's what makes this very difficult and and the reason why it's similar to the
mara Murray case to me is you have all these things like the lime wedge like the the way the car was crashed
the her going to work these possible threats you have all these things that they might mean everything
or they could mean nothing and probably mathematically you would have to wager that the majority of these things likely
mean nothing right I I do put a little more weight um I've heard some of the private
investigators and some uh armchair detectives talking about the rumors that the friends have came forward I mean
it's been years later you know she's since she's gone missing and now you have some of her really
close friends that are coming forward and to me it's almost um they're trying to get something off
their chest I don't think the rumors were that the friends were there but they know of people that Brianna was
with I I put a little bit more weight into those um confessions if you will then I think
most of the other people because they're going well what they're saying makes sense but
the scene at the car doesn't make any sense and I don't think necessarily they have to go hand in hand right so we
might not be able to explain the car crash we might be able to explain this one in
I put a little more weight into what they're saying um but this one is a big I don't know
I agree with that and I think a big problem like you stated not just the rumors but there's also so many
different people rumored to have been involved and right that makes it extremely difficult the other thing that
I find Crazy is we're not talking we shouldn't be talking about a large circle of people coming forward we
already said there's only like 900 people in the town total so the amount of people coming forward
those rumors can't even seem to agree on who the number one suspect is and the number one reason why she would have
been killed right you know so that seems weird to me and not even a clear understanding if
she was even involved in drugs um on that level at all I think that you know there are several possibilities
that I can't walk away from one being that it could be as simple as she intended to turn around on her drive for
whatever reason any number of reasons accidentally wedged her car up on that foundation and she couldn't drive off
with that car and we know that she picked up a hitchhiker at one time this is her mom's statement that points to me
that she might be willing to get into somebody's car and that could be somebody that decided to do something
terrible at a moment's notice right for no real reason at all other than their a
complete monster the other troubling thing too is like we pointed out that those two same drug
dealers names seem to come up in most of the rumors as to what happened to Brianna so you can't discount that
really the other thought with her ex-boyfriend James is weird because he says later
that he saw her vehicle yeah we know they have some kind of History it's unclear to me what his history was
with that Keeley girl who I also said you know like Bruce Maitland said has not officially been cleared in his
opinion and I don't think she's officially been cleared in my opinion either but this James guy I did come across
some rumors that he may not have actually been in Canada that night at all uh but I couldn't find any hardcore
proof that that was in fact the case but those are the rumors then the weird thing this is like the Encyclopedia
Brown and me that going off on something that's completely likely has nothing to do with the case
but something that is mentioned in the case and doesn't seem to add up or make sense was that she left the note at her
friend's house stating that she would return after her shift I wish we had a little more information on that because
what also is reported is that her friend was out of town that weekend and she reported or called the Maitland
Family to state that hey she's been missing and I've been home since Sunday and now it's Tuesday and I
can't find her I don't know where she is but what I call in a question is if you
know your friend is out of town for the weekend why bother leaving the note stating that you would be back at her
place after that hurt your shift you're telling somebody that's not there that you're going to be there right that
seems like a strange thing that that I wish we had more information on that now in conclusion you know so we have the
Black Lantern and it did close in 2015. eventually it would have reopened under new ownership the Dutch burn house
eventually burned to the ground in a fire in 2016. Brianna has been missing for 14 years
many people looking into this case believe that it is likely this case will be solved too many people seem to have
information on what may have happened to her for to stay under wraps forever all
it will take is one of them to break the quote conspiracy of Silence surrounding
this case Bruce Maitland doesn't believe Brianna is alive any longer he believes
she knew the person who eventually abducted and killed her he believes that Brianna met someone at the Dutch burn
house and there was a struggle but beyond that it's all speculation based on evidence that doesn't make a lot of
sense quote I don't think this was a random act of being in the wrong place at the wrong time Maitland told
foxnews.com he said there was something going on in Brianna's life that we don't know about
she had obviously made a connection with someone that may have resulted in what happened to her
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On a freezing, dark night in March of 2004 a 17 year old girl clocked out at work just before midnight. She got into her car and drove in the direction of home. She has never been seen again. Her car was found soon after and it appeared there was a strange vehicular accident. Her car was smashed backwards into an abandoned, creepy old farmhouse. The old house has a violent history. What happened to the driver of that car and was this even really a car accident at all? Did a terrible crime take place there instead? Did this event lead to the abduction of this girl? Someone out there knows something. This week we discuss the disappearance of Brianna Maitland. Beer of the Week - Heart of Lothian by Drop-In Brewing Garage Grade - 4 and a half bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Brianna Maitland's disappearance is examined, focusing on evidence, rumors, and theories about her fate involving drug dealers and potential foul play.

Key points

Introduction to True Crime Garage. Hosts Nick and the Captain welcome listeners and introduce the episode's beer.
Brianna Maitland's Disappearance. Brianna's parents received numerous tips after her disappearance, leading to various theories.
Evidence Found in Brianna's Car. Items found in Brianna's car raise questions about the investigation's thoroughness.
Rumors Surrounding Brianna's Case. Specific rumors about a lime wedge found on Brianna's car lead to speculation.
The Creepy Theory. A theory suggests someone hid in Brianna's car and attacked her after work.
Jorge Soto's Disturbing Claims. Jorge Soto, known as The Joker, claimed to have killed Brianna, but was it bravado?

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They all professed to know Brianna but no one knew where she was.

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