True Crime Garage /// Off The Record: Episode 53 | Forensic Files

[Applause] [Music] [Applause] Cobra Kai never die I binge watched season two of Cobra
Kai oh you did yep I start I think it came out at midnight and I watched last night no
this was last week okay came out at midnight and episodes were about 30 minutes long
27 to 30 minutes long and I got through about three or four episodes and I was like n it's pretty good I don't know if
it's as good as the first season it's pretty good I'll watch it later and then I thought to myself really not that
tired so I started the next episode mhm and then it was like 5:00 in the morning
and I I finished it all so it gets better when whenever you bring up Cobra Kai show it always reminds me of Howard
Stern yelling at Gary deabate because yeah they got they got a um they got the first season in advance
mhm and Gary just took it upon himself to take it home and watch it and he everybody watched it right Stern doesn't
find out until like through conversation that he's like uh Gary recommends it to
Howard and Howard's like so you've seen this it hasn't come out yet and Gary's like yeah we got we got an advanced copy
and I took it home and watched it and he's like why didn't Stern's like why didn't I get the advanced copy I'm the
star of the show yeah you're I'm the reason you got they want me to talk about it not you Gary you
know I I tell you what I could listen to the bicker ing uh arguments inside that
recording studio that to me is probably one of my favorite parts of of that show
yeah well it's uh I've sent you that clip probably four or five times and he's like when you're watching something
think about bof Gary always forgets about bof so I I wanted to go over some things some
really good discussion on some of our more recent cases that we covered on our blog and several good emails as well but
just a a reminder here uh if you got a theory I prefer that you send it to the blog so everybody can read it and you
never know like your theory could help in some way or at the very least it creates discussion interesting
discussion on there because people are reading your theories it's not so important that I just you know that I be
the only one that knows let me let me interrupt you real quick so one you don't see most of the comments that go
to Facebook you normally don't see the comments that go to Instagram I I do check the Instagram ones once in a while
and but it's also hard to you know because sometimes people are just going nice episode you have to sift through
certain comments to get to actual theories and then sometimes people will email these interesting
ideas I'll read them you know and then I'll say well that's pretty interesting or that's a nice Theory did you post
this on the blog no I didn't well just post it there because we both read those what's weird is like if if somebody
sends me something in an email I just you know because we don't know the people that we're talking with
on email I just have to assume that it's something that I'm not allowed to put on
the blog right or that that person doesn't want it to be there for whatever reason but again good theories uh good
information and conversation on the blog about some of our more recent cases um Amy Hooper which we covered just a few
weeks ago um I do want to kind of clear some things up because there you know this came up in conversation on the blog
first of all there was a lot of questions regarding the door locks remember we said that the police believe
there was no forced entry into her home and the when the when her family shows up looking for
her they find the front door locked and they had to go and get the superintendent to unlock the door right
and so the good conversation was people wanted to know well how could that be how can you have both no forced entry
and then when the people that show up first to find her find the door locked and I ended up having an interesting
conversation with somebody that lived in that apartment complex and actually lived in the apartment complex when Amy
Hooper lived there so back in back in the day in 1992 and this individual told me that
she didn't live in the same style of apartment that Amy had I guess Amy had like a like a more of a townhouse style
right and she lived in a garden style you know like a one one floor deal but she said I I when I found out
that she lived there I said hey I want to talk to you about the the door locks because this was always my thought but I
want some kind of confirmation on it because my thought was a lot of people said well this just can't be it's
impossible but a lot of people especially like in the '90s those little push button locks on the door where you
can pull it behind you and and the door stays locked was a pretty normal thing for apartments at that time right and so
that was always my suspicion I never even looked into it further uh until a lot of the smart people started hitting
the blog and and questioning that one interesting aspect of the case this lady that I spoke to she said her door lock
was that style and she actually remembers it because it was always a hot button issue between her and her
boyfriend at the time you know she was saying that cuz that little push button lock just goes to the door knob and
anybody can very easily manipulate that or bust in your door and they had a um a
dead bolt on top that you did have to lock from the outside with a key but so she was saying that she goes I can't
confirm what kind of door the the townh houses had but we know most of these things are are built using all the same
material and so she was saying yes you could lock our door you could push the button when the door was open shut it
behind you and leave and she said her boyfriend always locked the door in that manner rather than taking the time to
use his key and and do the dead bolt so I think that's probably what the situation was with Amy that it's very
likely that the killer just to delay the finding of her may have hit that button
and close the door on his way out or you know it just did it out of habit right so that and then you wonder well if he
was doing that at a habit was it somebody that lived close well you know what's weird is the more cuz so a lot of
these cases we cover them and and I very quickly move on to the next case because
we have no choice we have another case the following week well we could stay with the same case over and over but but
that's not our style Amy's case you know one that I'm very passionate about was was one that I couldn't shake it even
after we covered it it was still sticking with me for days and days and so um you know really kept spending a lot
of time looking into it and going over some stuff that we covered and didn't cover and I I the more and more I think
about her case and I think we may have said this on the show but I I feel like it may have been somebody that had ties
to the apartment complex not you know not so much ties to Amy specifically but somebody with ties to the apartment
complex and that could be any number of things it could be somebody that worked there somebody that lived there or
somebody that that visited there for you know any number of reasons I I think there's a chance that somebody saw her
or maybe had limited interactions with her and maybe that was the um you know how we tie the
killer to the victim and then there was also some talk about DNA cuz you you brought up the
good thing on on that case of well if we got really good DNA and we got some suspects and we can't get them to submit
DNA can't we just steal their trash and test some of that and you were absolutely right I questioned that on
the show so I want to clean that up a bit you can just anything that's discarded you can just collect it and
test it um where I got a little jumbled up was there were some specific cases that have in the last couple years been
been solved finally solved and resolved using DNA testing and in those cases that I was
thinking about at the time they did in fact have a search warrant to get those items they they did the official thing
went to a judge got the warrant and then collected items I think where it gets a
little confusing there is very likely in those situations they probably went and
stole well stole is not the right word but took some of the trash that was discarded by the person they thought did
it and then tested it and go okay well we have a match here but we can't 100% confirm that it is this person's DNA
just because we took it from their trash can you know it could be somebody else's
DNA and so in those cases they did then take that information to a judge and say
look we need a probable cause warrant for DNA on this specific individual and here's why we found DNA on discarded
items in this person's trash that match the the offender of this crime of this murder and so it's just a checks and
balances kind of thing you know you keep the guy under surveillance and then you
go get this official warrant that's so once you bring the dirt bag in you can go okay not only are we going to
question you about this if you start to squirm and you tell us at any time that you're innocent you didn't do this boom
we have a judge telling us you have to submit your DNA you have to submit your DNA and we can compare it there and
we're going to find out if you in fact did this or not well right and just like with the Tyler Davis case they went to
talk to the friend and they wanted to see his cell phone well they they go and get the subpoena for his for his cell
phone and so when they say hey can we see your cell phone he says well of course you can see my cell phone but if
he said no they would have said well we have a search warrant for your cell phone so boom
I love when they do it in that manner and I think it was the Scott Peterson case where at very early on he looked
like he was being cooperative and when the police show up and they have they had warrants in their pockets for
certain items right and Peterson all of a sudden like well shouldn't you have to
shouldn't you have a warrant for that you know like and and they said that it was weird the way that he said that to
the police like he said it in a manner that was like matter of fact no you're not getting these items unless you have
a warrant but he also kind of said it in a way that was like friendly and joking
to them you know to kind of throw it out there that that if they question that later maybe he could say well I was just
joking but they didn't give him the opportunity because he's like you you probably should have a warrant for that
and they're like yeah they're in our pockets man like and they just they pull them out and they're like we're we're
taking these items I would say hold on a second and the guy would go is it your pocket I go no but it's it's in my under
underwear and I have to like take my belt off and then zip my fly and reach down real deep in there and go oh here
it is here it is give you the old stink subpoena well and I don't want to go into any one person's uh comments in
particular regarding the blog but I do want to give a shout out to somebody named mg from Texas I've noticed mg from
Texas puts a lot of interesting thought-provoking um comments on some of the uh some of the blog some of the
different cases some of the blog comments are so good that it's like I wish we had that comment when we're
recording the show right cuz we would have been able to say hey here's an interesting thought and what do we think
about this yeah um another case that we covered that that um well really started
a lot of conversation was kayn louder mhm and one one thing that was brought up fast and often was the Draper Utah
comment where we pointed out how many how many sex offenders uh by ratio um for residents in Draper Utah
and I think I even had the brilliant comment of what the hell's going on in Draper um well what's going on there
it's turned out turns out there's a prison so uh what and you know what I was laughing about that for days and I
and I look we we do a show and we try to put out good information the problem is
we sometimes we're dumb well but some well at the end of the day we're just two guys in a garage but drunk has
pissed the other thing though too is we have a limited amount of time to do the research on the show so one one person
which I mean I was still laughing about the Draper Utah comment right and um but
one person was a little out of bounds they're like didn't you do any research there's a prison in Draper which which
made me feel bad because we should have known that I should have known that but the thing is there's only so much
stuff we can research now the the um we managed to put out a two-hour show so obviously we did do some research
regardless of what that person thinks but the the the funny thing too about it is the website and I cited the website
that I found that information from it just I found it shocking and and they're technically right that they were
referring to the inmates as residents right which is a little weird because they're not choosing to live in that
City yeah but that's that's not the uh definition of Resident right wherever you live is where you live doesn't
matter if you want to or not right right I mean you could grow up in Hack and Sack New Jersey and that might not be
where you want to live so when I finally got over laughing about Draper Utah and
in my comment uh and how how dumb it was to be frank Then I then I kept laughing
about them calling the inmates residents which is I mean just seems funny well but that's how it is now it's
a business I mean when when these residents get top-of-the-line cable and Wi-Fi internet connection on and a lot
of these prisons I mean they're residents mhm they should be prison ERS but no they're living the High Life
they're just just not allowed to go out the other thing too I was telling a buddy of mine who doesn't listen to the
show M I said look man I I feel like an idiot but I've been laughing because it's just it's just funny to me uh I
said I told him the whole Draper Utah thing mhm and I said you know and I said it's even funnier when I look back and I
go remember that I said what the hell's going on in Draper um and he goes he doesn't listen to the show so I'm
filling him in and he's laughing about this he found it very uh very funny as well he goes ah the same thing happened
to me and I'm thinking no no no no no no no no like that's my brain immediately is going the same thing didn't happen to
anybody else right nobody else has done the same thing and I told him that I said so you have to tell me the full
story now and so he told me that remember we so we covered in sville and at the time after that
happened there were these different websites that would pop up and I don't I don't know if they're still around and
he didn't mention the one in particular that he was on but it was you could you could um see where all these exotic
animals are located and he he was looking through the map of Ohio M and there is an area
where one of his buddies lives and this is kind of out in the Boondock somewhere
Boon somewhere and he said he said I saw that there was like 60 monkeys living in
my friend's area so I I text him immediately I'm like hey you better watch out there's some some some crazy
guy out there that owns like 60 monkeys in your neighborhood and there was a good reason
for it you know like it it wasn't a zoo but uh you know uh similar situation where his buddy came back real quick and
he's like well this facility is here and we're aware that they have monkeys yeah
like we don't have to watch out for anything but but thanks for the heads up thanks for the heads up on that but I
mean oh yeah I I I think about that often and you know cuz I anytime that somebody has a
little bit of land it kind of intrigues me so I'll drive a little slower look at
the Farmland right but I if I saw a bear or something just start on me a little bit but if I saw a
lion I think I would I think I would poop a little just a little oh yeah but I think so excuse me um I actually
thought I saw Bigfoot last week really were you hanging out with Jose cono when you come
uh when you come to my house do do you go buy the dollar store or not not anymore you showed me the back way I go
the back way especially when I'm leaving because sometimes I get stuck at that um
at that stop sign right there and and and what's kind of dangerous about it is when the as the you know the the trees
fill out for Springtime mhm I it's to the right there I can't really see the traffic that's coming very well no and
you and there's so much traffic coming from the left that you focus on that for a long period of time yeah I'm just
worried I'm gonna get blasted sometime when I pull out of there so I've been going the back way and that that
railroad crossing is like it's almost like the the damn train comes out of a tunnel almost on both sides like like
you hope the equipment's working because you have no way of seeing if a train is
coming and if ever since we've done boys on the tracks I'm I'm like terrified of
trains now yeah I had I had this time where um same tracks but it was a different part of town
and so I'm driving at night I was in a little tiny Dodge Omni oh yeah yeah yeah and I was going over the tracks and
right as I got over like on the tracks there was a train sitting there oh and the light turned on oh so the the
train wasn't moving and it it had the you know where the little bars that go up and down right and so those weren't
on right and so I was going over the tracks and all of a sudden the light of the train turned on and I was
like you know I mean and and it was probably a good hour it took me at least an hour to calm down and say okay the
train wasn't moving you didn't you know cuz I'm going I almost died I almost died but I didn't es especially when you
get out in the sticks yeah I wonder how often that equipment is being tested and
you know like if it goes bad MH or isn't working for whatever reason how long is
it until they till the repair people figure it out you know like right so so so Bigfoot you know how you go down uh
after you go through a couple wines you go down like a hill mhm and then you have to go up the hill and as you're
going up the hill there's a bridge M and so right right side of the bridge I see what looks like maybe a bear I mean
it's definitely hairy right right and was it tall or big pretty tall not super big but it's like looking
down you know under the bridge basically but like on the side of the road legs kind of spread apart hair down um
connected from the head I could see that the hair not only in the back was like connected to the back hair but front
hair was down to the waist level H and for just a split second I went oh my that's a big
foot and this guy turns around and it's a guy with a giant beard and super long hair mhm and you barely could see his
eyes cuz he the the beard was pretty much up to his eyes and he had one of those uh Camouflage Outfits oh yeah that
have like things hanging off of it so that looked like fur yeah but what got me was the beard was basically connected
to I mean the beard was down to this guy's waist and it looked like it was connected to this camouflage he had and
I mean just for a Split Second and I was like oh I I have seen one and and it really uh it really freaked me out for a
second well you know what I think personally if I see something as strange as you just described I would rather it
be a Sasquatch than a neighbor well but um the cool thing about my neighbors is the way we view
this world is it's us against you well you know what the the Draper Utah comment made me think of one of my
favorite sports shows is PTI pardon the interruption with I like I love Michael wilbon and Tony Kornheiser right uh
Michael wilbon I could sit and listen to him talk about sports for hours and hours and hours but anyway I could sit
and listen to you talk about sports for minutes they they have one of the for those not familiar they have one of
those uh Sports shows and and I feel like they were one of the first doing it where they they have a topic and I like
that you can see the topic that's you know as they change you can see what's up next what's in the queue and they'll
discuss whatever that topic is sometimes they agree sometimes they don't agree and they've been they've had this show
for a long time and and you see a lot of sports shows now that it's a debate show and uh but they have a thing at the
end sometimes of the show of what did the guys get wrong because they're in a sense they're kind of like and I in the
way that we do our show we bring materials with us we don't always know where the conversation is going to lead
or questions that will come up through the course of of us uh discussing something and so they have like somebody
that that has to sit there and kind of fact check or or pay attention to what these guys are saying and then at the
end they point out what they got wrong right uh and I I thought that made me think of that because I'm like I almost
feel like we need one of those guys cuz we can't check our as we're doing the show just we would be
here for for days and days and days doing the show yeah but they they would have to try to find something and and
when you're researching a case you might find three different newspapers that say
something a little different you know and so to to fact check it I mean you get something like that correct you go
oh well that's because there's a prison you idiot but the other stuff that' just
be wasting your time and blowing hot air in the garage and I don't got time for that hot air a lot of people pointing
out that we we talked a lot about um on the kin louder case we talked about the phone calls uh we even played a portion
of the phone call to 911 a lot of people pointing out that that we kept saying that she was sounding normal and you
know people very rightfully so pointed out that that may not mean anything we we
you know it's difficult to judge her State of Mind at the time uh just because she sounds normal but you
and I were specifically looking for red flags within her words to really point out that we think
hey this might be what's going on and that's just not there um what say that again I'm not following you so we we
pointed out that she sounded normal meaning like we didn't find her to be saying anything there's a lot of
people that say that she went missing because she was quotee unquote crazy and so we were looking for her to be saying
obvious crazy sounding things and that wasn't there and so people were pointing out that just because she sounds normal
or her words seem normal to us it you know there there are a lot of people that are suffering from something
mentally and they sound they sound normal but yes well and the other problem with all this though is that we
don't know what the starting point is you know we don't know her so we don't know what she sounds like normally so
maybe this sounds different differently than she normally sounds but the other problem with the listeners is they don't
know how she normally sounds well I don't think they're talking about her specifically no but what well no I
understand that but there was some people that were trying to dog us to say well she clearly is doing this and you
clearly don't understand anything about mental breaks and I'm going well clearly
you've never listened to the show and I have never had like moments of psychosis
personally um or even I I've probably been on The Fringe of manic episodes but I don't think I've had a full manic
episode The what I can base this off of is my personal experiences and also my experiences with others I've had three
to four friends that were uh extreme bipolar cases where they all had manic episodes I actually met one of my
friends during a medic a manic episode M I was in um I was at college and then we they had
these college apartments and that was it like there was not many apartments around this
college everything was pretty much dorms but there was this row of apartments that were owned by the college we're out
there drinking with some buddies this guy's door was open um I start hearing fire fir
works I go look in the door the dude is naked lighting fireworks off in in the the middle of his uh uh family room
what's wrong with that and uh that's typical Friday night at the Colonel's house yeah no the best I think I said
are you okay and the guy says come on in no I'll be fine out here and I said something about maybe you should put
some clothes on they said yeah maybe you're right but um so we don't know and and those are look I'm not an expert in
the med U mental health field I'm not going to ever say that I am all we can go is is to have opinions and some of
our opinions are going to be wrong also our opinions sometimes are based off of some actual facts or
evidence and one of the things in this case is that we have her family saying we talked to her that day we talked to
her multiple times that week and she didn't sound off right she didn't sound like something bad was happening again
that doesn't mean there wasn't something happening but you have to look at evidence and then give your opinion and
so many people that said well it's clearly this and you just don't know what the hell you're talking about well
again so you're going to tell me that you know more about her speech patterns and her
thoughts more than her family does well and and also opinions aside you know when we have a case and there is
audio or video and it and it may pertain to the case in some manner or form it's
our job to to at least give the play byplay for everybody out there I I think so it would be irresponsible not to
review it and I think it's important to throw in those opinions or what we think
we are hearing or what we think we're seeing at the time right and that doesn't mean we're going to be right but
but that's also you know if if we didn't give our opinions on anything then our you know we have a 20 minute show about
what what a case is and let's keep any opinions out of there and only evidence and that well
that's you know that's not interesting to me and I'm not going to do that so I just had a couple people online that
were trying to attack me and and again it was just to me it was absolute nonsense like
if you listen to the show I've been pretty open about stuff I've struggled with and that doesn't mean that I'm an
expert but the person was trying to say well you know uh you shouldn't speak about this if you uh don't have any
experiences okay well I have experience you just don't know me so you can't then
go online and assume a bunch of [ __ ] you know so that yeah that those are tough
cases though [Music] [Applause]

True Crime Garage /// Off The Record: Episode 53 Original Release Date: 4-30-2019 Nic and the Captain discuss: Recent Cases. www.TrueCrimeGarage.com

Brief Summary

Hosts discuss listener theories on Amy Hooper and Kayn Louder cases, clarify DNA evidence use, and share humorous anecdotes.

Key points

Cobra Kai Binge. A late-night binge leads to unexpected revelations about Cobra Kai's second season.
The Mystery of Amy Hooper. Discussion on the perplexing circumstances surrounding Amy Hooper's case and door locks.
Draper, Utah's Secrets. A humorous exploration of Draper, Utah, and its surprising number of sex offenders.
Sasquatch vs. Neighbor. A humorous take on strange encounters, preferring mythical creatures over real-life neighbors.
Fact-Checking in Real-Time. The hosts discuss the challenges of verifying information during their show.
Understanding Mental Health. A deep dive into the complexities of mental health perceptions in missing persons cases.

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I could listen to the bickering inside that recording studio.

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