Jason Landry /// Part 2 /// 861 | Forensic Files

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grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. [Music] Jason Landry was last seen in San
Marcos, Texas on December 13th, 2020 when he left his apartment. This to drive to Missouri City. He was driving
from San Marcos to his hometown of Missouri City in Texas. Investigators say he crashed his car, which was later
found on Salt Flat Road. This is a gravel road in Lawling's oil field area. Jason's silver 2003 Nissan Ultima found
wrecked and abandoned near Lingling, Texas. This is about 30 minutes from San Marcos. This is on December 14th when
it's found in the area of 2365 Salt Flat Road just north of Lawling. The car was
left with its lights on, keys in the ignition, and phone still inside. His cell phone still inside the car. His
clothing was found nearby. Investigators believe the crash occurred between 11:30
p.m. and 12:30 a.m. and that Jason likely walked away from the wreckage with little to no injury at all. One of
the things that the Caldwell County Sheriff's Office did was to examine Jason's search history and
communications leading up to his disappearance. And it sounds like he was using the Google
search engine here and they found the following searches. How long can you live in the woods
without food? How long can you go in the wilderness? I think you could probably just look up how long can you live
without food. It does I don't know that it matters where you are. But what is key here though is that added word right
in the those added words of in the woods. This could align with the later findings of
the crash car. He's out in the air quotes wilderness, right? And he's nowhere to be found,
>> right? But you don't have to crash your car and leave all your belongings behind
in order to go camp out in the woods, >> right? Or go on some survival mission. >> And can I point out something that
should be pretty obvious? I don't want to throw any shade towards his father. I just believe that I view life through a
different lens. And I think I view his son from a different lens. And out of all the individuals we've ever talked
about on this show that have gone missing, I identify with Jason so much. I mean, he was gone into a program that
I went through that program, not at that school, but a program to become a audio
engineer. I play guitar. I think one of the obvious things when we talk about this is Google history. And should we
put a bunch of weight to it? You Google some weird stuff when you're stoned. >> I think people search the internet for
weird stuff even when they're not stoned. Correct. Like probably my favorite thing about the existence of
the internet is that when random things or questions pop in my head, I can just I can sit and ponder them, search for
the answer myself in my own head, or I could just pick up my phone and smash it right into some search engine and it
will pop up with answers. Not always the correct one, but answers. >> I think we have to take that search with
a little bit of a a grain of salt. we're kind of saying here. It could be as simple as he's listening to something on
the radio, sees something on TV, or some random thought pops in his mind and he's
like, "Oh, I curious how long you could live in the woods without food." >> Yeah. One of the things that there's
some speculation on, and it comes because, like I said, law enforcement release the video footage of their body
cams and I think these police officers are just speaking out loud. They find his book bag. They start going through
his book bag. Okay, now we find some joints inside what the pill bottle. And one of the cops say, "Well, is he a drug
user? Is he a drug dealer? Is he somebody that is just a delivery person? Was were these joints all rolled for him
to enjoy himself? Or was he going to sell these?" I don't think there's any evidence of this. You can be a pot
smoker and not a drug dealer. But what makes me wonder again, I just don't like the fact that he's leaving so late at
night and this seems to be out of his way and maybe he'd go out of his way so he could buy some drugs, but you'd go,
"Well, his connection would probably be closer to his school or he had to have a
connection back at home, so that doesn't make a lot of sense to me." And he already had some marijuana. Normally
when you already have something, you don't go out of your way to get that thing.
>> Correct. And the other thing too, I would ex expect that it would be far more easier for him
to get more of more marijuana when he returns to his hometown. And >> exactly, we know he's meeting up with a
friend, probably multiple friends at some point along this trip. it would to me stand a reason that it would be much
easier and probably safer to go about getting it through those channels. And he does he does have some already with
him. So, he's not in an immediate need. the as far as the the cops go here, like
I'm I'm kind of in a weird spot because I can see and understand the criticisms and concerns by his family and other
people who have put a lot of time and effort into this case about what the what law enforcement, the first
responders could have done differently or in a lot of venues they're saying should have done differently. I I can I
can agree with a lot of that and even sympathize with a lot of that. But the flip of that too, I can also agree and
sympathize with the every cop's dayto-day. They regularly find abandoned cars. Okay? It is not uncommon for some drunk
driver to smash their car and get out and walk home to avoid getting arrested and just leave the car there on the side
of the road. And when I say not uncommon, if you live in a city of any size with a decent population, that's
every Friday, Saturday night, it's I mean it just and look, I'm not saying that this is great, but we grow we do
grow immune to things, right? We do grow used to things and things become commonplace for us in our life
experiences. And if you are regularly showing up to abandoned vehicles that are all smashed up on the side of the
road or even out in the middle of nowhere, many police officers experience that a hundred times throughout their
career and and every single time the person that owned the vehicle is alive and well when they're tracked down. So
we do become a product of that throughout some point and through our life experiences.
>> Yeah. But I do want to applaud law enforcement because they have this footage and to be transparent, they
released it and I understand some of the concerns that his father has. I think the problem when it comes to a missing
person case or a murder investigation or whatever, I actually think it's important to get out as much
information, whether it's good information or whether you think it paints them even in a bad because just
the fact that we know that he was talking to his friend for a, you know, some time period, a little less than an
hour, and his friend said, "Well, I recorded this because he was messed up." within not much time passing, he then
drives home. That's a part of the equation. You go, well, why did he wreck his car? Well, maybe he continued to
smoke pot or whatever. He got more impaired and that's what caused the car accident. Regarding some of that search
history, we talked about that already, but let's talk about some of his communications. So, the authorities and
people involved in the search for Jason have spoke to people that he was in regular communications with. And some of
that was, you know, Jason leading up to his disappearance is talking about psychedelics,
about the impact that psychedelics have are having on his life, about him experiencing a spiritual awakening
possibly by the use of psychedelics. He's also talking to friends of his about reaching the some sort of
spiritual enlightenment through the use of narcotics. >> Yeah, I think some of the stuff was like
DMT. >> Well, there was a film I guess there's a I don't know what this is, so I I always
hate talking on things that I I have no clue about, but one of the things I found
>> I do it all the time. >> He was he was regularly referencing films like DMT, The Spiritual Molecule.
>> Yeah. I've never tried it myself, but I but what's insane to me cuz I have done
some research on this and I did some more research on it this week uh because of I knew this we're going to talk about
this subject. One of the things that's fascinating about these DMT trips, whether they're just administered by
somebody taken themselves or sometimes there's these situations where you have basically like a a a guide, but a lot of
these people report the same stuff. The speculation to some of these people that
have tried DMT is that maybe they're going into some kind of other dimension uh that's just always there. And that's
why all these people's trips are very uh sympotico. >> Yeah, I've heard some crazy stuff about
DMT. I I have no knowledge of the film itself. I have heard of a lot of people talk about DMT and and how crazy of a
wild ride it is. The quick of it, for those of you that that don't know, it's the DMT is a hallucinogenic tryptoamine
drug that occurs naturally in various plants. Some people call it the spirit molecule due to the intense psychedelic
experience. The other things though, you know, we have a friend of his, Jack Frank, a guy that Jason knew since
seventh grade. He actually said he was worried about his friend Jason. He told Texas Monthly, quote, "It seemed more
apparent that our conversations were not making sense anymore. He would talk about the rapture coming, aliens, Jesus,
Elon Musk, and all these things that he would tie together somehow. End quote. >> Yeah, he might have been listening to
too much Joe Rogan. >> He told one friend too over Instagram, this is Instagram, this is the weekend
before he went missing. this. He said, "Dude, I lowkey have always wanted to be a monk and reach spiritual enlightenment
someday and levitate for meditation or turn into a stone statue and achieve nirvana or something."
>> Look, here's another thing that we don't talk about. A lot of times when you're
going from your late teens to your early 20s, especially in men, that's when things start rearing their ugly head.
depression, anxiety, some kind of mental illness, whether it's uh manic episodes, glimpses
of schizophrenia. And sometimes when these individuals are going through these transformations, they do start
self-medicating themselves. When I smoke a little pot, it calms my brain down because I've had manic episodes. your
brain starts racing at a speed that can be scary. That makes me wonder if if that was uh something he was doing. And
then what are the effects on that individual if they're in a car wreck and they hit their head?
>> You know, I've said it on the show a dozen times. I don't care that that the government says you're an adult when
you're 18. Everybody becomes a man or a woman at a different time. Not necessarily when they're 18. We don't
all mature at the same rate of speed. And I'm a firm believer that most of us still have a a soft spot on our head
till our early to mid20s. And >> or 60s. >> And well, and science will tell you that
in a lot of cases, the brain is still developing well into your early adulthood. And like you said, now let's
we know he's smoking a lot of marijuana according to what everybody says. he's having communications and talks about
doing all kinds of narcotics and and psychedelics. And then compound that idea with, well, he may have been
involved in a accident that he could have incurred a an injury to his head that could be severe and not require him
to shed blood, not require any bloodshed at the scene. None of this feels good to
me for what I want the outcome to be. >> Right. Caldwell County investigator Jeff
Ferry called the video a wealth of information, explaining it allowed investigators to determine that Jason
was wearing what he was wearing when he left his San Marcos apartment and saying that those clothing that
clothing matched the clothing that was found in the roadway near the crash site. the investigator. And I don't know
how he's piecing this together because this I mean it it seems most likely, but I I again I think it's irresponsible to
say it in this manner. He says quote the regarding the video it allowed us to here's the quote say with certainty that
he's by himself in the car. Again, I think all things are all the indicators are that he was by himself. I I would go
98% on that. I'm not willing to go 100% on that. Who's to say he didn't pick somebody up when he when he strayed from
his route, right? Maybe is that the reason why he did stray from his route because he was going to pick somebody
up. But you'd think because he's has having communication while he is driving that he would have communicated with
this person on some level and we would have found out about that. It it doesn't seem to reason that he would have got
carjacked. Again, I wouldn't say it's out of the realm of possibility, but you would think that the the jacker would
have taken any item of valuable, you know, any valuables that they found on his person or in the car. And it it
appears that again, like we said in episode one, unfortunately, the only thing that appears to be missing from
the scene is Jason. >> Yeah. But tell me if I'm right or wrong, >> gray underwear are found at the scene.
>> Yeah. And it's rumored that one of the police officers sniffed it. But tell me
if I'm right or wrong on this. From what it seems to me is he he's off path. He stops his GPS. He's on a rural road.
Something happens. He's now in a car wreck. His belongings either because of the car wreck went out of the car or he
took those items out of the car with him. And then it seems at some point he takes off all of his clothes and he's
still heading in a direction. And am I right or wrong? But there were some reports of a naked individual
walking around that town. I'm not going to say that there were none. I'm I will say that I did not
review any such reports. Yeah, I believe there was like some calls to like 911 where they were like there's a naked man
running through town. So, if we just want to speculate on that, something happens. He hits his head for some
reason. He leaves his items behind for some reason that causes him to take his clothes off. And we've seen this happen
where when people are so disoriented that they do disrobe. And so I think the speculation from law
enforcement, again, I I applaud them for releasing the information. I don't agree with the
father that it taints his reputation. Like I said, I identify with Jason so much. And I think a lot of people that
have gone through that early stages of college, when you even see videos of him, he just kind of light up. He just
seems like a a good kid, you know? It just seems like a guy trying to find his path. And and their speculation is
basically, well, he succumbed to the elements and then we got a giant problem with wild boores out there. We've seen
this speculation before in the Brandon Lawson case. And I don't applaud them for their speculation because I don't
think I'm not saying that it's impossible that that happened, but I'm just saying like I I don't know how much
uh speculation you want to have on some of these things without any evidence. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is a tough one
for sure. Nobody's nobody's questioning that. Now, back to his father, Kent. to Jason's father, Kent. He was actually
the registered owner of the vehicle, which is of course very common for a parent to be the registered owner of one
of their children's vehicles. Uh so he gets a call from police after they've found the car. And so he's going to hop
in his vehicle and he's going to take off to the impound lot. When he gets there, he's the one that discovers
Jason's phone still in the car. So, he finds Jason's cell phone wedged between the driver's seat and the center
console, >> right, >> of the Nissan Ultima. And authorities would later say that, "Look, we don't
know if the phone fell while Jason was driving through that intersection of Austin Street in Magnolia Avenue or
during the crash. Either would make sense to me." >> Well, it could be the reason for the
crash. I mean, you ever drop your phone on a weird spot and you start trying to feel around for it?
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's not a uh not an ideal situation um if you're traveling.
So Kent Landry then takes off with the phone in hand and now he's on his way to the scene, the crash. He says that when
he gets there, this is So this is a very quick response by Jason's dad, right? I
think he's there. I think he's at the crash scene by 6:00 a.m. And once you factor in the delay in telling, you
know, notifying Kent about the car and then the delay in because he's got to travel to the impound lot, which was
closed at the time, to make it into his son's car to retrieve the phone and then
get to the scene. I mean, this guy is this guy is moving along, working for his son, looking for his son, and at the
scene by 6 a.m. I don't want to go through the all of it because he just he says his overall opinion is
he doesn't think that the first responders did enough. And it's hard to argue against that when
we have a missing person. I don't think that they did anything that wasn't out of protocol. you know, I didn't I don't
see any malfeence or or any negligence on their behalf and others may have a different opinion of that and I will
respect your opinion of that because again, as I said, somebody's missing that we don't want to be missing and and
therefore it's it's easy to question the actions or lack thereof by anybody involved.
[Music] All right, we are back. Talks in the air. Cheers to you, Colonel. >> Cheers to you, Captain. The the search
efforts here, there's a lot of them. There's a lot of them. Now, one thing that of course the the parents are not
going to want to hear is early on they bring out dogs to try to assist them in their search efforts because this is a
lot of space and wide open spaces. Bringing in the dogs can be advantageous to your efforts. I danced around the dog
thing last week and and in some episodes where we cover certain cases because while a big fan of using dogs, I think
that there are complications with it that are not openly discussed. If you do enough digging and enough research, you
will quickly find that the experts are not in full agreement at the capabilities of these dogs. Okay? Some
will tell you that they can do everything. According to the new recent Superman movie, apparently dogs are the
greatest things to ever exist. >> Dogs are pretty cool though, man. >> Some of these experts and trainers will
tell you that their capabilities are through the roof and then others will tell you about their limitations very
quickly. So, I think they're the experts and while they can't agree, then there's
nothing wrong with me questioning. And just recently, I mean, we've talked about scent dogs in a bunch of cases,
but just recently going back and looking at the John Benet Ramsey case, and they
were talking about bringing in scent dogs, and they were talking about how certain dogs uh like they had a dog that
was on standby, but that dog was mainly like the scent had to like be on the ground, meaning like somebody walked
away. where other dogs they might have the ability to track a scent just through the air.
>> But again, is that true? That's what I that's what I'm pointing out here. When
the experts can't agree on that, I do agree that there are some dogs that can do some things that others can't. What
I'm saying is when you review the overall information and the experts can't agree, I I don't trust I have a
hard time trusting it. Now, if your dog leads me to the person I'm looking for, I trust that. And here in this
situation, we have eight dogs that were indicating that there were human remains
in a small pond that was not terribly far from the vehicle accident scene. >> Right.
>> And so the police are telling Jason's father, "Look, man, we are sorry. We are
sorry to tell you this. We are going to drain that pond and and we fully expect to be finding him. We understand that we
are are sending you down a road to hell here because you don't want to find your
dead son out here in this pond, but we're trying to prepare you for that because that's how strongly we believe
in what our dogs are telling us. Not one dog, not two, not three, but eight of them are telling us that there is a dead
body in this pond. They spent days draining the pond while the father sits nearby close enough to hear the pumps
pumping out the water waiting to find the corpse of his son. And when they fully drain it, all they get is [ __ ]
mud. No body. And and and then the father, how do you feel? Is that what relieves this?
>> Wasted time. >> The only good part is this happens in the early stages of the investigation
where you still have hope that you may find your son alive. This was really interesting. This was some stuff that
was in Texas Monthly that they were talking about that one scientist that they spoke to said that there could be
some kind of that that maybe the investigators were experiencing and encountering a chemical phenomenon.
There's something in the oil production process when it's mixed with water that's creating the illusion of human
decomposition. And that's what this scientist says that the dogs may be picking up on.
>> But they can't say that with any level of certainty. They they're only guessing
as to why the dogs were so adamant that there were human remains in that pond. And yet when they drain it, there's
nothing. >> So if we talk to dogs, >> right? And then let's pretend for a moment that this this scientist is
correct in his hypothesis. Well, if if this scientist is correct, then the the use of those dogs in this
area are moot. There's no reason to be you're you're getting false flags. So, this was just I believe on Wednesday,
right? He went missing on Sunday, Monday. Wednesday, December 16th is when they start to drain the pond based off
of what the dogs are telling them. I do think the location he was found in did hinder some things because I think if he
was found closer to his hometown, they could have had larger searches and maybe they would have found more.
>> I'm of the belief that had he just crashed his car 5 10 minutes earlier, we would never be having these
conversations. We would never know the name. You and I would never know the name Jason Landry,
>> right? >> But without going through all the search efforts because there was a lot of them.
And if you are one of the people listening to this that participated in any of those searches, I applaud you and
and thank you for your efforts. >> You're a legend. >> They spent throughout the entirety of
all the searches that that were done. You know, they've they've deployed things like scan sonar. They've
conducted water searches. They've drained ponds like we just talked about. They did the use of drones, horseback.
They brought in Equasarch very quickly in this case, which is a Texas-based nonprofit that unfortunately was the the
genesis of that search and rescue team stems from the Texas killing field case. They used helicopters multiple times.
They covered over their efforts, they covered more than 31,000 acres of land and some of the on foot as well.
They've found nothing, man. They've they found nothing to tell us what happened to Jason. They've not even found any
clues. I mean, at some point they did find some bones, but that those after further testing were determined not to
be human. In in July of 2022, a man with physical was with a physical resemblance
to that of Jason Landry was found unconscious in New York City. Later testing confirms that that man was not
Jason. >> Yeah. But when researching this and I get to that part of the story, I think
to myself, no, there's no way it's him. until they show a picture of the guy in the hospital that they sent to Jason's
dad. And I'm telling you, man, it's like cuz I didn't know the full story. I'm going, "That's him. How the hell did he
get to New York?" >> And even the father said, "I looked at that photo over and over, kind of saw my
son in it." And then obviously, you know, they they figure out who that individual is, and it isn't Jason. But
man, if you see that picture and you see pictures of Jason, you go, "Those those
guys look very similar." >> So, to give further insight into some of the search efforts, here's a Facebook
post from April 22nd of this year from 2025. And it reads, this is a call to action.
So, it reads, "From the volunteer search team, all hands on deck, volunteers needed for May search, they mean the
month of May, join the Jason Landry search team now. There is an opportunity to apply to join in these efforts and
now is the time. Team leaders are putting together the roster for the last search before we will be forced to pause
for the hot summer months. We hope and pray this will be the last search because Jason is found. We are asking
for as many volunteers as possible to make this our biggest search to date. This will be the team's 24th 24th search
over a span of three years. We will have access to areas previously unattainable
and may have only one opportunity to get this done. We need your help. Here is what one can expect on search days.
Extreme heat, snakes and wildlife, cacti, mosquite brush, and rugged terrain. Long hours on foot in the
elements. A list of basic requirements. Physically fit and mentally resilient. Able to hike for extended periods.
Comfortable working in remote challenging environments. Able and willing to listen and follow direction.
All searchers are required to attend an orientation Zoom meeting prior to their first search. This is your chance to
join in these efforts. We welcome you to apply. And there's a findjasonry@gmail.com.
And unfortunately, they again they don't find him on this search as well as we know. And so I would imagine that there
will be more of these searches because this search took place in took place in late May of this year. I believe it was
May 20th. But a a Facebook post after says over 50 people were at this weekend search by the Jason Landry search team.
This 24th volunteer search was the largest one yet. We'd like to thank everyone involved in the search. the
many dog teams, the land owners and ranch hands, and the community of Lawling. It takes a lot to make each
search happen. Each search puts us closer to finding Jason. We are so grateful for the continued support.
>> Yeah. But I think the problem with this case is the location. And I think the
other problem with this case is wildlife. And I think any speculation that he was attacked by a wild boar, I
think we'd see some kind of evidence of that. And I don't think we see evidence of that. But but let's go a step further
because to me, I was going, okay, well, this is roughly what law enforcement or at least what Jason's father is saying.
Hey, I I the I think law enforcement just think he was attacked by a wild boar and and that therefore we're not
going to put much effort into this case. I think they have put decent effort into
it. Again, we can criticize every step of the way when you don't have a result. But I went down this rabbit hole.
There's anywhere from two to four million wild boores in Texas, which is the most out of any place in the in the
United States, >> probably in the world. >> And one of the things I I thought was
also really interesting, I mean, I went down a giant pig rabbit hole. What's interesting is if you have a domestic
pig that gets out and becomes feral, they start changing within months. Now, the interesting thing though is most of
these boores, they're not eating meat. They dig. They're actually their noses, their snouts will will grow longer
because they will dig into the ground. They'll eat bugs, roots, things like that. And that's one of the problems
that Texas is having because with their their farmers, deer come in, they eat the top of your grass, and they move on.
The pigs come in, they eat the grass and all the roots and leave nothing but >> they root. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And and so think about how crazy that is. They become feral and then their their snouts start growing longer so
they can dig further. But some of them will eventually eat meat. Once they get a taste of meat,
they tend to continue to eat meat and actually end up preferring it. So you'll see them mainly, they don't attack
animals. They basically eat the remains of animals. >> They will attack though. I mean,
razorbacks will will absolutely attack and and usually their method is they they charge you and that while they can
be rather large animals, they want to upend you. They want to take you out by the legs and now you are you are stuck
on the ground. And look, pigs in general are omnivores. You have carnivores, you
have herbivores and you have omnivores and it goes on and on. But omnivore will eat anything and does eat everything.
Pigs do and always have. And so wherever they get the meat, they will consume it.
I think that while there Yeah, I think while there are a lot of people that may believe in the wild boar theory, it
stands to good reason, but it's missing one big part of the equation. The wild boar before it attacked Jason didn't ask
him to kindly disrobe, >> right? >> So, that is a weird part of it. But, let's so let's talk about some other
possible scenarios that have been mentioned throughout this. And I don't know that we'll hit on all of them
because to be honest with you, Captain, when starting to review the theories as to what may have happened to this young
man, there were no shortage of them. And there were some that were pretty far out
there. And I'll I'll try to steer clear of those. But well, when you have DMT brought up in an investigation, that's
going to open up the speculation more. Uh maybe he's on a DMT trip and he never returned or a Sasquatch or abducted by
aliens. There's some weird ones out there. >> The DMT thing is rough for me. That's
difficult because what did he do? Crash his car and then decide to go on a DMT trip because the way it's been described
to me, he wasn't he's not making it 30 minutes from his apartment in a vehicle if he's tripping on DMT.
>> Right. So this is from again from Texas Monthly where they were talking to some
of the locals and the idea of back to something you were talking about like well what would happen this was
something we talked about with Brandon Lawson and actually was was a big was in large part my speculation as to what I
thought had happened to Brandon. So, very similar to what I thought had happened to Brandon here. They're asking
people in Caldwell County, you know, late at night, if some strange person wanders onto your property or approaches
you, what do you think would happen? Or approaches somebody that lives here, what do you think would happen? And one
person in particular says, "If it was a woman, people would probably think she was in distress. If it was a naked man,
I think it's safe to say he could end up dead." >> Yeah. Because what does Texas have?
probably just as much as wild boores. They have guns. And so that's a possibility.
>> I guess it's called paradoxal undressing. And that is when people experiencing
levels of hypothermia that they start to undress. There's been some push back on
that. So this stands to reason too, but there's been push back on this theory for a couple reasons. Usually when
people are to that level where they're starting to undress, they're near death. So they're usually found very close to
where their clothing would be found. We can say well it's been all this time but
his remember his clothing was found that night. The other part of this too is that there are doctors saying we don't
know that it even reached that level for him or if it could have reached that level. Now every situation, every
experience of this is unique. every person is different and doctors are quick to point that out. They're also
saying, you know, in and there's one pathologist from an autopsy service that's referenced here in Texas Monthly
that says out of all of the autopsies that I've done, I've only experienced paradoxal undressing fewer than 10
times, like in the the history of my career. And then it goes on to actually say here that in the United States,
while mild cases of hypothermia are very common, the deaths are very rare. Temperatures got in the 30s that night.
It's difficult to say if that how likely of a possibility that is, but it remains
a theory that is out there. I think it to me though that that would be the most reasonable explanation as to why his
clothes were found there and that maybe he physically was able to make it further away from his clothing than what
others would. Maybe he was in better physical shape and condition and was able to make it much much further than
than what others typically would. >> Yeah. Or maybe it has nothing to do with hypothermia and it's just a brain
injury. >> This uh retired FBI agent named Abel Pena says that he thinks that Jason was
actually met with violence with some pretty random violence. This is interesting. He says it's possible that
Jason encountered one or more people at the intersection. Remember we talked about that intersection where he's he's
he continues going straight where he should have turned right and then he continues going straight for some time.
He says it's entirely possible that Jason encountered one or more people at the intersection who beat him up, took
his car and staged the wreck along Salt Flat Road. Jason was forced to strip and
his clothes were left on the road before he was disposed of somewhere far away from that location. quote, "I don't
think it was necessarily kidnapping." Pñena said, "I think it could have been a random act of violence. Maybe
something that went south pretty quickly, and maybe the individuals involved didn't mean to kill him, but
then had to do something to hide the evidence." And in short, he kind of calls this an extraction, right? like
it's it's everything but the body that is found at the the different scenes where the where the violence and the
assaults occurred. >> Now, I think this speculation to me makes some sense and and here's why. And
I don't think it's just this rand random encounter where these individuals were like, "Oh, well, we're we're just going
to uh we're just going to rob this guy or kill this guy randomly." It's the damage to the car. What if he's hit by a
vehicle and they take off and he and he tries to go after them, ends up wrecking
because of it? Or or maybe he hit somebody and then took off because then the evidence of that car, the vehicle
could be back at the intersection and not at the where his car crashed. If that makes any sense.
>> Yes. And but what PA is saying, what he means by random is not that people set
out for a random act of violence. That the the randomness of the victim and perpetrator crossing paths. They don't
know each other. They didn't intend to cross paths. Nei neither nobody intended to be a victim. Nobody intended to be to
assault someone that night. that it just something happened like you said and this is the result in extraction where
it's everything found but the body. >> Well, and think about this though. Let's just say he's impaired and he hits
another car and takes off and the driver's like, "Oh, no you don't." And he starts chasing him and then that
causes a wreck and then that causes whatever happened after that. I mean, I think it's a likely possibility, but
again, it's not definitive. We can only speculate. >> What do you think happened? Or or is
there not enough here to come to any con? >> No, I think there's these pieces that
are missing. Like if there's evidence of a crash with another car at the scene, then then I think one can speculate
where that went from there. I don't know if it's anybody's fault why we don't have that evidence cuz like I said, if
there was a car wreck back at the intersection or somewhere else, it still doesn't make any sense of why he's in
that area. That doesn't make any sense to me. And like we know he was using waves. So we know he's using GPS to get
to somewhere. And what I want to know is like were they able to figure out where
his ending destination was? Was the ending destination his hometown or was it another address? And you think if it
was another address in that county where he was found, you'd think we'd know that
information. Again, we don't know what is being held back by law enforcement, but it seems like they've been trying
their best to be transparent. >> Well, well, no, that part they have sorted out. I mean, as far as we know
and everything we've been told that the ending destination was his friend's house in Missouri City, which is a long
way away from where his vehicle was found. >> And then in regard to >> But think about that. But hold on. Think
about that for a second. That's what makes no sense. I'm going to turn on my GPS. The ending destination is here and
I'm way off track. And so then you just wonder like because he was communicating
with people on the phone, is it possible that he just turned off? >> He's only a couple miles off track. It's
I look at this and go I think he just briefly got lost and before he could correct his route,
>> right, >> something happened. They do call it lost for a reason, right? You don't none of
us instantly know the second we become lost. >> I do it. It was 1997. >> And so it may have taken him some time
to realize, hey, oh, I probably shouldn't have turned off my ways. I can only speak to my own personal
experience, but often time if I'm I like taking road trips. I love taking road trips, but but I'm as guilty as Jason is
for doing way too many things while I'm in the car, right? Like I'm I'm constantly looking for for music to
listen to or or a podcast to listen to or or an audio book, right? And it's like cuz I want to be entertained. I get
bored very quickly, very easily. And so there are times where I'm draining my phone or my device or it feel or you
touch it and it feels like it's on fire because you're like, well, I'm running my navigation. I'm running this podcast
and you go, you know what? I don't need to according to my ways or my navigation
or whatever app I'm using. According to this app, I don't have to make a turn for another
45 miles or another 60 miles. I will regularly turn off the navigation just so I'm not running a bunch of apps while
I'm traveling. I'll make me quick mental note of the miles on my car and go, you
know what, Nick uh says you you don't have to make a turn for 60 miles. How about we make a mental note to flip this
back on after I've traveled 50 miles? And it could be just something as simple as he he flipped it off for the for
reasons like that or not unlike that and then realize at some point I'm lost. We've all been there where where we've
traveled a route on a previous occasion and all of a sudden you're going, I don't remember seeing any of this
before. Wait a second. I must be lost. Again, you're right. You are absolutely right. There are pieces of this missing.
If there if there weren't, we would have figured it out. We would have found Jason a long time ago. So, you're you're
spot on with that, my friend. As far as there being the accident occurring elsewhere, I call that into question the
likelihood of that based off of when it when seeing the wrecked vehicle after it's been towed. One thing that's
sitting next to the vehicle was the bumper or a large chunk of the bumper. Now, may have it fallen mostly the way
off and then fell the the rest of the way off during the transporting it from Rex scene to the impound lot. Could be.
or it could have been sitting next to the vehicle when they found it at the crash scene. To me, if if that's the
case, what I'm getting at is at the scene where the car is found, you are finding evidence that the accident the
wreck occurred there where we don't have any there could be two wrecks. Look, just hypothetically, he's driving. He's
communicating with his friends on the phone. He's not paying attention to Waves. Waves is saying, "Hey, bud.
You're going the wrong way. you're going the wrong way. Eventually, he pays attention. Oh [ __ ] I'm going the wrong
way. I'll just turn it off. >> He had turned it off. Yeah, he had turned it off.
>> Right. Let me talk. And then we then we get to the end of the talk. >> You know, I know, but I'm I'm just just
to clear, you know, when the timeline is key here. I'm just pointing out that it's it's explained in the timeline that
that the ways app was shut off before he was going in the wrong direction. >> Okay. So, at some point, like you said,
he's talking to his friends. He decides to turn off the directions. He misses whatever exit or whatever road he's
supposed to take. He's headed in the wrong direction. So, then he decides, I'm just going to have to turn around at
this next e exit. And maybe the thought was, well, once I get to a gas station or something, cuz that's one thing that
I didn't see, and maybe you saw, how much gas did he have in his car? And so whatever question the reports are that
there the there were there was gas in it but nobody I've not found anything to say how much.
>> Right. And some people will go hey it's getting late. I need to stop and get gas
before it turns midnight. But also I'm lost. Let me get off this road. But let's say he gets off this road and we
know he's impaired. We know that because his friend said so. If he hits somebody,
let's say he runs his car into the back of somebody else's car and goes, "Oh shit." And then takes off and then ends
up wrecking his car on the rural road. Now there's two accidents, but we'd only know about the second accident if we
found the debris at the other uh the crime scene, if you will. >> Correct. >> So I I I I totally agree with you. the
the bumper thing that all probably happened at that accident scene. But is there another accident scene? Because
>> I want to be clear here. I'm agreeing with you. I said at this at the start of
this timeline here, when we got to the the crash part, when I look at the vehicle, I'm seeing two impact points on
the vehicle. So, two accidents are completely possible, I believe. >> Yes. the Yes. And I also agree with what
you're saying with there could have been one accident at another location. I'm just simply pointing out that there is
>> evidence of an accident at the scene where the car was found and no evidence of an accident elsewhere.
>> I'm not saying that that an accident elsewhere didn't occur. I'm just saying we have nothing to tell us or suggest
that it may have occurred. >> Yeah. other than I think looking at the damage of the car. I think if you bring
in an expert and go how did this damage happen? Is it is is this damage possible? All this damage is it possible
at this scene? Because if you find little pieces of information and again we also don't know what the condition of
the car was. Did did he have any fender benders on the car before he took off to
go back home? And I think it's very plausible. you go. Somebody hits you with their car and takes off because
they're impaired. Well, that that could co cause a a nasty confrontation. But I think the problem is obviously if
something turned to murder, that person is not going to be waving the red flag for you to come get them. I guess you
always have the possibility of somebody telling somebody, but I again I think if
he did hit his head and nobody else was involved in the accident, I think the problem becomes if he we don't know how
far he made it and we don't know how confused he was. And then the other problem to that is you have these indiv
you have these animals that are prone to feed off of dead animals. So, is it possible
that he was able to make it a far enough distance but ended up just collapsing and and then we're just not going to
find his remains because of the animals, if that makes any sense. >> Yes, it makes absolute sense. I actually
think that he he did unfortunately I hate to say this because it doesn't it doesn't leave a
lot of hope out there. My conclusion I think he died out there that night. I think he was in a solo accident by
himself. I think that he was quite impaired. I think that he was quite impaired in life before he got into that car that
night. I think he was quite impaired >> before he woke up that morning. I think he was smoking way too much pot.
>> I think that a lot was going on chemically and emotionally and in his brain, which we don't understand the
brain very well at all. I think he hit his head, man. I think he hit his head in that that car. And I
think that that is why the mystery is so mysterious that none of it makes any sense because it didn't make sense to
him when he's when he was experiencing it. We all know that look, sleeping after a concussion is extremely
dangerous. Um, I mean, I could go on and on. I I don't I don't know that hypothermia had to
even play a big role in this. Maybe it played a role in it, but I don't know if it played a huge role in it. And I think
that >> I agree. >> I think he died out there that night. And I don't think it was due to an
animal attack. I think he just I think he died from the accident itself and something he experienced during that
accident. Probably some severe head trauma. And >> well, I'm not leaning towards an animal
attack. I'm saying the animals would be responsible for why we don't find him. Because
>> if anybody wants to have a better understanding of this, uh, just type in like Adam Greentree
wild boar attack cuz he was attacked by a wild boar. The guy ended up killing the wild boar and they ended up opening
up the wild boar's stomach. Now, this wild boar was eating animals, coming across dead animals. And in this boar's
stomach, they found bones and skull fragments and and all this stuff. And so all I'm saying is that's evidence that
if you're in Texas and you end up dying for whatever reason out in a rural area,
there's a possibility that you would come across this type of animal or other animals. doesn't have to be a wild boar,
but that's why we haven't found his remains. >> Yeah. I you you expire anywhere outdoors, you're you're at risk of
animals doing things with the body. That's what they do. I mean, it's it's it's their habitat, not ours. That's
that's the circle of life. That's what happens. And I think to me the, you know, there seems to be a consensus
among law enforcement in the area in Caldwell County that animals got him or he died and then animals are responsible
for why they've not recovered his remains. And I think that it's best >> which really sucks because
>> his family seems like a really cool family and his dad seems very concerned. And even though I think he views certain
actions by law enforcement and even maybe the media to being throw throwing shade to his son because he he smoked
pot. It sucks cuz I don't know if they're going to get the answers that they deserve. And it sucks because Jason
Landry seemed to be a really cool kid. You know, it seems like, yes, he was finding his path. And look, young kids
look up stuff just because you smoke a little pot and you're trying to find your way in this world. And again, like
you said, we don't know what was going on with him mentally or whatever. And he could have been self-medicating and that
that's a tragedy in itself. And then I and we don't know, but I I I'm sure some people know this answer, but if you're
heading into a mental state of let's say like bipolar or schizophrenia, does that
affect you differently if you get into a car accident, if you have a concussion?
I I don't know those answers. I'm not, you know, a a neuroscientist, just a captain.
>> And nobody should be throwing any shade on Jason here. I mean, the the he was in
his early 20s, right? >> I don't think they are. I just think his dad is perceiving it that way. And and I
don't think he's wrong for perceiving it that way. He's going to obviously look through life or look at life through his
lenses. And so, I think it's something that maybe he's maybe a little shameful that his son was doing this, but it's
like he was going into audio engineering. When I went to school for a hot hill engineering, there was more people that
smoked pot than smoked cigarettes. But the other cool thing about being a recording engineer or record producer or
whatever, is normally when you're making records, you don't talk just about like
normal life stuff. You talk about weird stuff. DMT trips. You talk about being on the road. You talk about
um partying. You talk about girls. You talk about ghosts. you talk, you know what I mean? So,
I don't know. I but out of all the people that we've looked into, like I said, I just identify with this kid so
much and it's just such a shame um that this stuff happened to him because because especially when you find
something that you're passionate about and you love and I'm sure he loved music and he wanted, you know,
to get into that program like he was about to have some of the best times of his life. Well, in this country is
dotted the this country's landscape as well as many other countries landscapes are dotted with universities that are
filled with kids that are smoking pot and typing in oddball questions to >> search engines on the daily. So, he's he
he to me represents a lot of a lot of me and a lot of uh people I knew growing up
growing up and coming up. And so I I hope and wish the best for Jason and his family. Remember Jason Landry is 6'1
in tall, 170 lbs, Caucasian with brown eyes at the time of his disappearance on December 13th and 14th of 2020. He had
shaggy brown hair and a goatee. He sometimes wears glasses, although he didn't have them with him when he got
out of his car. He's presumed to have been wearing contacts. His crashed, smashed vehicle, a silver or possibly
platinum color 2003 Nissan Ultima, was located with the keys in the ignition on Salt Flat Road. He has been missing for
over four years. He would have turned 26 years old just last week. There is a reward in this case of $20,000.
Of course, contingent on a few stipulations, but there is a reward. The missing Jason t-shirts, signs, and
posters say know something? Call the Texas Attorney General at 512-9360742 or call anonymously
at 7267771359. in his case and story is on all of the major social platforms at find Jason
Lander. I want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage each and every week.
If you have a case that you would like for us to do a deep dive into, email captain@trrucg.com.
Colonel, do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners? >> Yes, this week, Captain, I want to
recommend to all of the beautiful listeners and the one that is not beautiful. You know who you are.
>> I'm sorry. Texas Monthly. Texas Monthly. A fantastic magazine. And it's not fully
based on true crime obviously, but that's one thing that they do talk about. And they do visit some of the
more known and lesserk known cases in the great state of Texas. Some of the more popular recent ones, Tom Brown's
body, that was a long form article turned to a podcast that had many episodes. Fantastic case. In fact,
that's a case that's been recommended and suggested to us many, many times. I just Texas Monthly did such a fantastic
job with it. I I often email the suggesttor back and say, "Hey, check out Texas Monthly's coverage on it." The
article that we referenced here today multiple times is titled Where Jason Went. I believe the online version of it
has a different title, but that came out in their most recent issue. They're not
your typical magazine when it comes to true crime or or their their stories, right? You you may check out different
publications and they'll have one page, maybe two pages. This is a deep dive. It's like 20 pages of the Jason Landry
story. And another great long form was from 2022 titled How Many Did He? Um, so some really great stuff by the great
people at Texas Monthly. The only downfall about my love for this magazine is that they're regularly featuring
wonderful and great Texas barbecue and I only get to the state about every other
year. So, I'm I'm missing out big time and I know what I'm missing out on. You can find that recommendation so you
don't have to miss out and many other great recommendations on our recommended page on our website trueimeg.com.
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Brief Summary

Jason Landry vanished after a car crash in Texas; extensive searches have yielded no clues about his fate.

Key points

The Mysterious Disappearance of Jason Landry. Jason Landry vanished after a car crash in Texas, leaving behind his belongings and raising questions.
Search History Raises Eyebrows. Investigators discover Jason's online searches about survival in the woods before his disappearance.
A Father's Desperate Search. Kent Landry, Jason's father, finds his son's phone in the abandoned car, igniting hope.
The Role of Dogs in Searches. Experts debate the effectiveness of scent dogs in locating missing persons.
The Search for Jason Landry. A father is prepared for the worst as search efforts intensify.
Speculation on Jason's Fate. Various theories emerge about what happened to Jason after his car crash.

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