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primont Australia next we have Deputy Allison from lower Bureau Pennsylvania and over the pond we have Dena from
London we like your G we have a message here from a happy Tracy in Tustin California Tracy says she sent a note
referencing an older episode Captain where you said you were going to quit the show so happy Trac working on it she
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anything we're going to have a jumping party off the bridge at parts unknown and last but not least we have Deputy
Justin in papalon Nebraska I looked that up I wanted to make sure it was a real place because sometimes I think people
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grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] crime the FBI is seeking your help to apprehend the following
individuals Robert William fiser allegedly killed his wife and two children and blew up their house in
Scottdale Arizona in 2001 Eduardo rello charged with the murders of pregnant US Consulate employee her
husband and a friend in Mexico 7 years ago Yasser SED is wanted for allegedly murdering
his two teenage daughters the girls died of multiple gunshot wounds on January 1st
2008 Walter yavan Gomez is wanted for his alleged involvement in the brutal murder of a man in planfield New Jersey
in May of 2011 the victim was struck in the head numerous times his throat was cut and he
was stabbed 17 times in the back Luis meedo a Latin King's gang member is wanted for his alleged
involvement in the death of a 15-year-old boy in Chicago Illinois on May 1st 2009 the victim was beaten shot
and set on fire badrish Kumar Patel the FBI is offering a $200,000 reward for the arrest of bad Rish Kamar
he is wanted for allegedly killing his wife by striking her multiple times with an object while the two were working at
a donut shop in Hover Maryland on April 12th 2015 for more information visit fbi.gov
slanted these are just some of the most Wanted men in America and this is true crime
[Music] garage [Music] we want to do something a little different on this episode we wanted to
dive into the FBI's top 10 most wanted list yeah we grew up being fans of the shows Unsolved Mysteries in America's
Most Wanted and so kind of paying a little bit of a tribute to those two shows you know there there is this list
this living breathing list that's provided to us by the FBI and anybody at any time can go to their website and
look at the photos of these wanted individuals read about the stories and it's something that I think that not a
lot of us are paying attention to and we got a lot of web sthers out there we got
this whole community of people looking for these terrible people that we talk about every week but there's this list
there's this list of people that we should be hunting yeah and I it's a list that I haven't checked out in a while
but going back to the Unsolved Mysteries in America's Most Wanted if you could host if you could revive one of those
shows and you could be the host which show would you pick well see here's the thing Captain I would 100% without
without fault I I immediately would pick Unsolved Mysteries oh yeah choice I mean
Robert Stack's voice is so incredibly good just because you're the host doesn't mean you get a sound like Robert
Stack well right right and but that's what scares me it would be very big shoes to f Phil you know what I mean he
did such a good job with that and he he was like creepy enough that it that added to the creep factor of the show
well Colonel I think you're uh creepy enough to fill his creepy shoes well I I will take that as a compliment well it
really wasn't a compliment but let's uh let's dive into the history and some of the cases that Fascinate us on the FBI's
most wanted list for over 60 years the FBI has sought The public's assistance in a very special way through one of
their most most effective longest running publicity programs the top most wanted fugitives list in 1949 a reporter
this is James Donovan he asked the FBI to identify the toughest guys that they were investigating at the time the FBI
provided him with photos of 10 dangerous fugitives which he then published on the
front page of the Washington Daily News the top 10 list was extremely popular at
the time and several of the fugitives were C captured as a result so during the following year the FBI they
formalized its 10 most wanted fugitives publicity program which since 1950 has led to the location of hundreds of our
nation's most dangerous criminals they have an they have over a 90% success rate when they place somebody on the
list of apprehending them which is a high percentage but one of the criteria is they put these individuals that they
think the public can help them capture yes that's right and what go through the criteria of how someone ends up on the
list according to the FBI but uh from the director you know the director states that the FBI's top 10 program it
celebrates not only the FBI success story but it emphasizes the need for citizen cooperation in the fight against
Crime MH the 10 most that's where we come in that's what we're doing that's what we're doing that's what we're doing
right now right here the 10 most wanted fugitives program tracks the evolution of crime of the crime problem in America
while the list began with bank robbers and murder suspects fleeing State jurisdiction it has recently involved
into a search for major organized crime figures serial killers domestic and international terrorists cyber criminals
and white collar criminals and it seems like a lot in the last 5 to 10 years have actually been terrorists yeah
during the last 17 years the list has Illustrated the international scope of crime as well as the importance of
strong Global Partnerships in the search for terrorists sexual predators human traffickers and other violent criminals
who pose a significant danger to us all right so the FBI program is evolving correct So Gone are the days when the
top 10 posters could be found in post offices since 1996 the top 10 posters have appeared on the FBI's Internet site
that is www.fbi.gov uh you know this obviously to reach across borders uh sometimes these people
these criminals will flee to other countries and we need worldwide help to apprehend these guys well it seems like
the FBI is also getting hip with social media yeah they've used things like Facebook uh Twitter I believe there's
there's even a FBI app where you can keep track of the top 10 list and and who's on it and who we should be looking
for in the first 60 years of this FBI list there were 494 fugitives that appeared on the top 10 list
and during that 60 years 463 of them had been located now I do want to be clear about this because not all of the
fugitives have been arrested out of that 463 some of these people surrendered uh
other others have been found deceased MH or they may have been found innocent you
know at some point where they thought that this person was guilty of a crime and they were seeking him or her then
later evidence comes out the point that they're not actually the P the guilty party can you imagine being on that list
like being that guy that's being the guy that's like you know uh we got the captain from True Crime garage on the
top 10 list I'd be I'd be I'd be [ __ ] in my pants my friend all right so what is
the criteria to be on the list I get there's two primary criteria used to determine who should be placed on this
list first The Fugitive must be particularly dangerous uh a menace to society and or have a length record of
committing serious crimes secondly as you pointed out the FBI must believe that Nationwide publicity will assist in
apprehending The Fugitive right so here's how they come up with this list Captain they they have many FBI offices
that are involved in selecting the fugitives who will make it on the list the criminal investigative division the
CID at FBI headquarters they contact all of their other field offices in an effort to solicit the most dangerous
fugitives for consideration so they basically all kind of nominate somebody and then they review the nominees and
decide who is going to be on the list well and off the Record earlier weren't you saying that there's no like one
through 10 I believe so like I I always thought of this list when you hear top 10 lists you hear like oh this is the
most Wanted guy Public Enemy Number One right and the list doesn't appear to me to be a number one two or three uh
anytime I click on there or go to their website the the order seems to change uh
who's on there so I think you're really just on the top 10 list you're not really they're not ranking these guys so
right CU forever we heard you know Osama Bin Laden was the number one most wanted
you know man uh by our government by our FBI and that may be the case or may have
been the case at the time I don't know if they've changed the way that they format the thing um but unless a top
tener is captured found dead or Surrender uh there that's the only way those are
the only conditions of getting removed from the list cuz one of the cases that we're going to dive into what I when
we're looking at the list he was in the number one spot MH and when you look into his crime I mean you know he's a
hideous person but you know it's almost like really that's all that's all you have to do to get to the number one spot
yeah well I would encourage everybody to go to fbi.gov and dive more into this you can look into the CR and look about
the history of the list and people that have been apprehended throughout the years uh one thing that I found
particularly interesting when I was reading about this was where they located some of these fugitives um this
is this is right off of their website says while many of the top teners apparently stay close to the crime you
know one in one in six fugitives never left the city where they committed their crime but 2/3 were eventually
apprehended far from the location of their crime in fact more than 40% of the top 10 fugitives have been apprehended
outside of the United States right but not anybody there was no individual from the list that was found in Parts Unknown
no that's correct just to let you know that's exactly right well one of the famous let's talk about one of the
famous cases from the top 10 list uh this is a man named William Raymond Nesbit on December not my favorite one
but we'll start with this one okay on December 22nd 19 36 William Raymond Nesbit together with three other men
including a man named Harold Baker and his girlfriend they burglarized a wholesale jewelry company at Sous City
Iowa well the company reported more than $37,000 worth of jewels that had been stolen later that month all of the
participants drove to minihaha county in South Dakota so if anybody's in South Dakota and I completely butchered that
County send us an email that's the actual name of the County I'm moving there F this is 5 miles east of sou Fall
South Dakota M they did this in order to obtain some Dynamite to make nitroglycerin okay at once they arrive
and then they get out of the car three of the men became involved in a fight the girlfriend this is Harold Baker's
girlfriend she got out of the automobile and attempted to stop the fight as she did so William Raymond Nesbit struck her
in the head with a hammer several times and one of the other men then shot her she was dragged into a powder house now
Baker Harold Baker he was knocked unconscious during this fight and he was drugged into that powder house as well
well one of the men in the group he lit a fuse to some powder and fled the scene
Baker's girlfriend although she had been severely beaten and shot uh she was able
to crawl away the fuse exploded this this blew up 3,500 lb of dynamite and 70 I'm sorry 7,000 PBS of black powder this
killed Harold Baker the explosion was huge it it rocked the country side it shattered Windows mirrors and glasswar
in sou Falls which remember we said was 5 miles away well while the police were conducting an investigation to determine
what had caused the blast they were advised that a woman had been brought to the hospital and she was suffering from
bullet wounds and shock the invest and those you know Hammer to the face hits you know she's suffering from those too
well the investigation revealed information concerning the three men including William Raymond nezbit who had
been responsible for the murder of Baker and for shooting uh Baker's girlfriend Nesbit was apprehended in Oklahoma City
Oklahoma this was on February 26th 1937 he was returned to sou Falls where he was tried and convicted for murder
and he received life imprisonment in South Dakota State Penitentiary mhm now 9 years later nesbit's life term was
commuted to a 20 20year sentence that's ridiculous yeah well listen to this I blew this guy up with
dynamite and you're going to give me 20 years yeah and nesbet during this term had become a trustee and eventually was
allowed to leave the prison to perform housework landscaping and duties as a chauffeur wellow that's ridiculous so
you got this you got this uh jewelry Thief turned murderer who's now driving people around town on September
4th 1946 uh when the night check was made at the penitentiary Nesbit was missing on
December 26th 1946 a federal complaint was filed before the United States commissioner at Rapid City South Dakota
charging William res William Raymond Nesbit with unlawful flight to avoid confinement and a warrant was issued for
his arrest right and then once they issue this warrant the FBI is going to get involved at this point yeah they're
going to be looking for Nesbit in March of 1950 a news article which carried a picture of nesbet together with his
description and fugitive status was published in a St Paul Minesota newspaper as well as other newspapers
around the country on Friday afternoon March 17th a 14-year-old boy arrived home from school and he noticed a
newspaper on the kitchen floor as he looked at the paper he noted that the photograph of nesbet and the
accompanying article advising nesbet was wanted by the FBI so this boy and his 13-year-old friend they spent a lot of
time playing along the Mississippi Riverbank in St Paul Minnesota with other boys from the neighborhood well
over the past few months they had become acquainted with a guy that they called Reay who lived in a cave on the
riverbank yeah they would visit they would visit this Ray guy about once a week I wonder how many times they told
their parents about Ray uh we hang out with Ry oh that's nice dear where does Ry live oh he lives in a cave yeah they
parents think that Ry is some created some uh creation of their imagination right uh well for during this four-month
time period they would visit this Ray guy you know when anytime they were down by the river they said about once a week
they would see Ray and he would allow them access to his cave uh occasionally telling them stories about his travels
about his life and finally in early March of 1950 Ry then he didn't want to see any of the boys anymore he told them
that they needed to stay away from the cave because it was a dangerous area they were likely to get hurt well yeah
you know Ray became like a motivational speaker you know he kept on saying you you guys don't want to end up like me
you don't want to be living in a cave down by the river well and you have to wonder if Ray came up with this at about
the same time that the newspaper article came out with his face and picture on it
m well the the 14-year-old boy he cut out the article uh from the newspaper believing that the man in the photograph
was Ray Ray from The Cave yep and the boy took the article to his friends and showed them the article and they agreed
that it looked like this Ray character well the next day the boys went down to the cave to make sure that Ry was indeed
the man in the photograph they then after seeing him confirmed their belief they then phoned the police and told
them of their suspicion so on that Saturday morning this is just March 18th 1950 just two days after William Raymond
nesbet was placed on the top 10 list well he was apprehended by St Paul police due to the courage and bravery of
these two young boys that had seen his picture mhm that would make one heck of a like a dramatization if they took that
and just made that little part a movie mhm you know a 13 and 14-year-old you know seeing this you know this is Ray
from The Cave but this guy is on the FBI's uh most wanted list Ray from the cave and we got to we got to go down
there and confront him mhm I mean that's oh man can you imagine the terror that was in there Their little bodies you
know what I wonder about that though Captain I wonder if you know of course they weren't too young to have fear but
you almost wonder if they fully understood the in comprehended the the gravity of the subject yeah that they
could be placing themselves in immediate danger well this is kind of showing the
history of how it works and and and how they implement it yeah and how quickly somebody can be apprehended once they're
placed on the list yeah you said what a couple days yeah it was just two days after they showed the uh newspaper
article what another really interesting case is Robert Van whis now he was wed for murder for I believe 30 years or so
MH uh before he actually ended up on the list well and I'm going take some of this story from a uh this is adapted
from a new story from K view which is an ABC affiliate um back in 2015 now this story takes place in
Austin Texas now more for more than three decades after a brutal murder in South Austin Police say that they knew
who had did it but the suspect was still not in custody in September of 1983 employees at the South Austin
office building got to work and discovered 22-year-old Lori Stout in the men's restroom she had been sexually
assaulted strangled and suffocated now Lori Stout who is she she owned a cleaning business along with her husband
and she had been working that night in the building and she died that night uh she was murdered this happened at an
office building on South First Street near the US Highway 290 now back in the 1980s the University of Texas they had
offices there so this is where UT students would be signing up for classes and so this building was open late that
night so there are many people coming in and out of the building that evening right so this is the this is the
University of Texas this the Longhorns right yeah big giant University we we talk about Texas a lot it's a big state
Lots going on so one of the students that was in and out of the building that night was 18-year-old Robert Van whis
everyone who was in the building that night after they discovered the murder I think that his friends called him young
Wheezy young Wheezy Young Weezy young van Wheezy old young Wheezy well after the the victim was discovered everybody
that was in the building that night they were questioned and this included 18y old van whis uh he was there late
registering for a class uh that he was going to attend at the University at the time he taking computer probably that's
what most people sign up for um he was given fingerprinting and some kind of DNA test right but he wasn't apprehended
at this time right right because they have to process the fingerprints and the DNA yeah and they really had nothing to
hold him on and it wasn't until later that they were able to match his fingerprints with fingerprints found at
the crime scene and do we know if they were able to match the DNA or not well let's get into that let's uh introduce
Angel palansky she was with the Austin Police Department now there's a few things that she she's got a lot of
opinions about this case she's worked this case for a long time saying that you know this was a case that they
talked about daily at their Department it was one that they believed was going to be solved and then later once they
had the evidence they really felt that they knew who had committed this crime it was all about a apprehending this
person so what happens here Captain is not only are those fingerprints found at the crime scene but according to
palansky the fingerprints are in locations that are very damning to him uh there what ended up happening too
this is a bit strange but she added that A lab technician had misread the DNA originally and this ruled out van whis
it wasn't until 1992 that another investigator realized that there was mistake so they went back and they were
able to get familial DNA which ended up connecting van whis to this case so this
solidifies their theory that they had the right guy right but when you hear stories like that I mean doesn't it just
make you question The credibility of the system yeah it it does but but we're humans you know we're all flawed people
make mistakes speak for yourself uh the police believe that that van whis left the country before they
could apprehend him now the next challenging thing would be of course locating him and then they believe that
he had he had gone to Mexico well let me guess he was living in a cave down by the river I don't think that was the
case no but not only was the problem finding him but also a big problem would be if he was to be located in Mexico
would law enforcement they extradite him back to the United States yeah they have
to be cooperative with us a US Marsh's supervisory detective says that this could be a long cumbersome process it
could take months it could take even years you know van whis init initially faced the death penalty but
investigators were going to have to lessen the charge if they did locate him in Mexico and wanted to get him back
because Mexico does not agree with our death penalty as a punishment and they're very upfront about not agreeing
to even consider extradition of any Mexican national that has a capital murder at as the charge or death penalty
as the possible uh possibility of punishment yeah that's very interesting well what they ended up doing Captain is
just that right so they uh regarding van whis they lessened the charge and his punishment was going to carry a life
sentence right uh once that changed the FBI and the US Marshals were working very hard to find him well after 32
years it wasn't going to be easy and then let me throw this at you too investigators only had one picture of
Van whis this was him at the age of 18 you know so of course he's going to look a lot different after 32 years and yeah
or he could be like Ralph machio and he looks exactly the same I think Ralph is sleeping in tupperware he's he's holding
it together very well the other thing though all of the lead investigators like I said they believe that they knew
who did this from the get-go from very early on in this crime investigation and their big concern was you know they
didn't want him to hurt anybody else you know in 32 years you have to sit back and wonder well I hope he hasn't raped
anybody else or murdered anyone else during that time that's of course a big concern for us all well and I think the
other concern was that his family lived in the area and they weren't being cooperative with police or FBI so then
they were wondering right if they're like sponsoring him if they're supporting him yeah they would offer the
police no help with their investigation to find their family member well you know but in their defense I mean you
have one DNA comes back and it's read wrong quote unquote so H how can you be for sure that these fingerprints match
him and if they don't then therefore you know he's innocent I mean that would be
a simple argument right why are you running from the law well the they say my fingerprints match but they don't and
they said before for that my DNA didn't match and now they're saying it does MHM
yeah there I can see both sides of the coin there but you know he fits the criteria very well for being on the list
because he's would be considered a dangerous fugitive and second of all he's somebody that it seems very obvious
that they need the Public's assistance in apprehending this guy especially if he did flee the country right but this
is all going to change December 13th 2016 yeah because they're going to Place van whis on the FBI's most wanted list
uh he becomes the 511th person added to the list and after that takes place well
it doesn't take very long Captain because on January 26 2017 uh he surrenders to us officials in
Laredo Texas at the Mexican border now on March 28th 2017 van whis pled guilty to murder and was sentenced to 30 years
in prison ha gotcha gotcha so that's where you can see a guy that's wanted for a crime for over 30 years he's
placed on the list and it's what about 45 days later approximately that he surrenders and ultimately pleads guilty
to having committed this crime all right so 90% of the time it works all the time
all right let's get right back to this right after this quick beer [Music] break
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persons that are wanted by the FBI these are straight off of their list so these
are live cases Active cases we encourage everyone to go to fbi.gov wanted and do your part you know look at
the faces read the stories because just like Robert Stack used to say who knows maybe you could solve a mystery yeah but
he'd say it way cooler than that you're you're right he would so first on our list let's talk about a guy named Jason
Derek Brown uh a little background on him he was born in 1969 he's an American fugitive wanted
for first-degree murder armed robbery in Phoenix Arizona this took place November
29th 2004 on December 8th 2007 he was named by the FBI as their 489th fugitive to be placed on the 10 most wed list now
of course Brown is considered armed and extremely dangerous um like we said he was born in California back in
1969 uh he attended the lagona beach High School Brown speaks fluent French and he has a master's degree in
international business well he actually should be called like the MTV killer and
I say that because one Laguna Beach M right wasn't there a show called Laguna Beach I think so and then uh so there's
that part uh typical you know it seems like kind of a a richy rich white guy but the funny thing is is for a while he
was trying to rock the poly d uh from Jersey Shore haircut well he grew up a bit of a privileged lifestyle um he
served a mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Paris France from 198 to
1990 uh so when we say he's fluent in French he's extremely fluent in French uh between 1990 and 2004 Brown resided
in several places in Orange County California this included Dana Point as well as a neighborhood of Newport Beach
Brown also owned two businesses this was based in Salt Lake City Utah uh these are identified uh by computer records as
toys unlimited and on the- doorstep advertising both of these companies he operated out of his Utah home now brown
had been employed as as a toy salesman and a golf equipment importer as well now okay so he's got these businesses
plus he has these jobs that he's doing this is a guy that later in life and leading up to his crimes he's trying to
support a very luxurious lifestyle right but let's go back for a second so the there's no storefronts mhm these are
just online he's like a distributor correct so this guy you know 4our work week and he took that to the extreme mhm
so he's selling toys online and he's also selling golf equipment correct correct now what is his exp his his
luxurious lifestyle well this is a guy that has extremely expensive taste uh he likes cars fast cars motorbikes boats um
he he portrayed himself to be a wealthy man um but he was not a wealthy man this
was a guy that was racking up tens of thousands of dollars in debt sounds like the captain well Jason Brown he finds
himself big time in debt by the year of 2004 mhm now in November of 2004 uh Brown took a Firearms class he purchased
a 45 caliber Glock pistol um and he purchased this from a place called totally awesome guns uh they yeah this
was uh hey I got a great idea let's sell guns what do you want to call it totally
awesome guns dude well and this place was in Salt Lake City but they also had a uh a range a shooting range there as
well now he wanted to take some classes he wanted to get his um conceal and carry license so he passed a background
check and as part of the class he was fingerprinted and his prints were sent to state and federal authorities you
know this is part of the agreement when you sign up for these different things now his his instructor at the class
would later described Brown as an obnoxious student um he was a guy that had you know he had a chip on his
shoulder he was kind of goofing off during the class didn't take it too seriously um and he this is coming from
the guy at uh totally awesome guns totally awesome guns okay uh he also says that brown seemed to be extremely
inexperienced with Firearms well you can just picture this right I mean some rich
white kid I'm going to learn about guns and he just you know he's just joking around about it not taking it serious
well and to paint a bit of a picture too for the listeners he's got kind of this
uh you know some of the pictures you'll see of him he's got a bit of a a tan California Surfer Dude kind of look to
him yeah but he's also kind of uh a couple people have said he kind of looks like Shawn Penn I guess if you do a I'm
going to do a Google image search real quick yeah uh and yeah for some reason they they put pictures with sha pin next
to him to kind of show you he looks similar but I I think he just looks like a douche on Monday November 29th 2004
this is the Monday after the Thanksgiving Day weekend now there's a there's an armed truck that's going to
pull up to a movie theater and this is in Phoenix Arizona okay so the way that this thing would work is that the truck
would pull up and you have a driver and then you have a guard that would get out
of the truck yeah I used to have to deal with these guys uh Brinks was the company that I dealt with when I worked
at the bank and they would show up I think our uh money drop was every Tuesday so they'd have to show up
Tuesday and and you could have different if you had like special orders they'd come on different days but yeah one guy
would stay in the truck the other guy would come in but these both individuals are heavily armed mhm yeah anybody
that's familiar with this these guys they look like these guards they they're dressed very much like police officers
uh and it's usually pretty obvious that they're wearing bulletproof vest and as the captain said they're all armed um my
experience with with persons in this profession was I always got the the G Joe kind of feel from these guys they
were very aware of their surroundings they were very fit physically young dudes um a lot of them wanted to go into
law enforcement at some point in their careers we actually we actually had one guy that was not physically fit at all
it was like this little he should have stayed in the truck right but he was this like a little Russian guy and he'd
always come in he'd always be so pissed off about everything right and then like
so you'd have coin and and so not only would they drop off the money to you which they would like put nice and neat
on their little uh dolly or whatever so then once you gave them bags and other stuff they didn't have time to like put
it back on their Dolly so this guy he never wanted to take two trips so he would just be like waddling out with
this money like just sweating carrying as much as possible to avoid the second trip yeah was I I will never forget that
guy cuz he was pissed off every Tuesday when I'd be like I got tons of coins for
you no problem I do this myself it's got to be a stressful job you know it's a high-risk job as we will see in this
particular story as well and I think obviously they probably want to spend as little time out of outside of that truck
as possible well for this particular pickup this was going to be a pickup from a movie theater this is an AMC 24
movie theater and Phoenix Arizona they had the same like what they would call drop point um where the truck would pull
up and park in the same area every time the one single guard would get out of the truck the truck is then locked by
the driver from the inside and then the guard goes in and collects the money well and they do this like my bank was
on a corner MH and their their pickup spot was always um you know they have to have an exit
plan right so they would Park you know on the curb but like if anything went down they had a straight away to turn
right M so um so they do this every time and if somebody was parked in that spot
they would just loop around until they could be as close to that spot as possible yeah yeah I was once told to
move my vehicle by one of these uh guards by one of the trucks I guess I was blocking their spot or their getaway
spot like you had said and then what did you say to him you go not my problem no
I just said yes sir and I moved my car uh I said not my problem and then he pulled a gun on me and I was forced to
move my car well this is at 10:00 a.m. on a Monday and their job here is going to be to pick up money from this movie
theater so they Park in their designated spot now it sounds to me like the guard
had a considerable amount of distance to walk to get into the movie theater to collect this money or waddle yeah well
this is uh 20 2 4ye old Keith palomares he is the guard that's going to get out of the truck right okay so around 10
a.m. that morning as palomares is making his way back to the truck and he gets just to you know at the movie theater
where they sell the the tickets at the ticket kiosk and sometimes it's outside of the movie theater he's walking just
past them when he's approached by a man this is a hooded man and he's got a gun he ambushes the guard unfortunately the
guard is armed but does not have time to defend himself he is shot at six times at close range and five of the Six
Bullets that were fired struck the guard in the head yeah because these individuals also wear bulletproof vest
mhm and and so the the gun used in this attack was um well it was going to be this 45 caliber semi-automatic Glock um
that we had discussed earlier that brown had purchased from the awesome guns in range in Salt Lake City um police won't
know this exactly at this time unfortunately the young guard uh only 24 years of age he died at the scene um and
the gunman immediately took the bag of money from the guard and this contained $56,000 in cash now the gunman he ran
into an alley and he was seen leaving the scene on a bicycle well and he he had to know somebody because you know
your drops are different every week so you know there'd be times that we you would have to order money you know so
branks would bring us the order of money well sometimes I mean I'd be in the back
room and I'd have to you know count maybe $200,000 worth of cash that's what I ordered but there'd be other weeks
where maybe we only ordered large or or a certain number of bills and it could be as little as
$1,500 right so the fact that he's going to be walking away with $56,000 anybody
listening and going hey this sounds like a great idea the chances of it being that large every time there was a drop
at the movie theater I would say is extremely low so I wonder if he knew some individual that worked there well
the other thought here Captain is that it would have been after the Thanksgiving Day weekend right um so I
don't know if that if that created a longer time between so sorry to cut you off but question is is this after the
individual picks up the money or are they dropping off money they are picking up money from the movie theater I was a
little confused but okay so then he would have some knowledge that we know that that's one of the biggest weekends
all year MH and so yeah okay that makes a little more sense to me sorry sorry about that and so so police immediately
are believing that this is a planned crime you know that this guy didn't just happen to be in the area with a gun and
decided oh there's an armed guard I'll go rob him they they believe this to be planned like you said it's a big movie
weekend um and this guy is leaving the movie theater he's the attacker knew that the guard would be armed knew that
he would be wearing a bulletproof vest and immediately Fires at the head of the guard well police originally in their
investigation they start hearing stories of a guy that had been hanging around the mall
I'm sorry around the movie theater for weeks and this was a guy that would that drove a silver
BMW now the only problem here though is he doesn't match the description by eyewitnesses on the day that the guard
is shot on that day Witnesses describe the shooter as somebody being 25 to 30 years old and Hispanic well the guy that
had been hanging around the movie theater for weeks in his silver BMW was a white guy but he did fit the age uh
that the witnesses had stated a couple days later police locate the bicycle that the guy had fled on well on this
bicycle they find a bunch of fingerprints well they match these fingerprints to a guy named Jason Derek
Brown remember he was fingerprinted when he purchased that gun and signed up for
the Firearms class and and looking at Jason there's no way you would mistake him as a Hispanic individ ual
um so that that that's kind of a little strange to me it is a little strange but
I will throw this out there when I said he's got that kind of California surfer dude look yeah well he has the blonde
hair too you know the bleach well it's frosted tips yeah and but he's he's pretty tan in a lot of these pictures
that you see and he would have been hooded you know he was wearing a hoodie when he attacked the guard so they might
have only been able to see a small portion of of his face right and we have his fingerprints that were on the bike
the getaway bike and we have his fingerprints from the shooting range the totally awesome gun store yeah so now
the police are armed with his name they have a name it's Jason Derek Brown and they make an announcement that they're
looking for this guy jdb because of the shooting that took place in front of the
movie theater well there's a local guy and he hears the name in the news report and he contacts thece police department
and he says I met this guy I actually met him the day before the guard was shot to death he was out somewhere and
he had parked his truck and there was a guy out there practicing it like shooting you know he's he's firing his
gun off doing some practice shooting okay and he had these um like paper plates that he was shooting at and using
them as as targets well remember we said he was a very inexperienced shooter right yeah he accidentally shot this
guy's truck so what had happened was the guy he approaches him and he's like look man
you you just shot my truck and so this dude and he he says he very you know California Surfer looking kind of dude
shot my truck and he he agreed to pay me $1,300 in Damages for the Bullet Hole in
the truck and he wrote out some kind of contract uh result you know what was the
the result of what happened and how they decided to work this out he wrote it out
on some of those paper plates that he was using as targets and he signed his name Jason Brown M and so this guy
brought these paper plates to the officers and said look this this is a dude I saw him out practice shooting the
day before this crime went down sure enough they match the bullet that is in this truck to be that of the same
bullets that were used to kill the guard so not only do we have so they could do
a ballistic test you know comparing uh the bullet holes of the paper plates and the bullet holes on the victim yeah so
now you have Fingerprints of this guy on the getaway bicycle as well as matching
the bullets uh that that he signed a paper plate saying that he was using the day before this guy was shot so where
are they at now on this investigation well before we I bring you totally up to speed you know as soon as he was named
and identified as the suspect in this case uh they they traced him around and followed him around the United States
for quite some time uh they were tracking him to uh Henderson Nevada which he fled from Arizona uh he had
also traveled to Las Vegas at one point uh there he swapped out his cars remember they were looking for this
silver BMW it was one of those uh Series 3 um and they were looking for this vehicle well he swapped out this vehicle
in Nevada where he he started driving a black Catal Cadillac Escalade baller well after he switched out these
vehicles Captain he drove back to California remember he's got family there right and he would actually stay
with some relatives until the police were once again on his Trail M now here's a very disconcerning thing here
um his relatives admit that he stayed there uh but originally they tell the police that yeah he you just missed him
by like an hour or two we don't know where he went but he left here in his silver BMW well the police get smart
right they're they're not stupid they're like okay you're housing this fugitive and you're going to tell us you know you
don't know where he went but this is what he's driving so the police immediately are like we're not looking
for a guy in a silver BMW we're we're not putting that out on our B on the lookout for we're going to put it out
that he could be driving a silver BMW or any other type of vehicle right it was after this that they do learn at some
point that they were lied to by the relatives and that he was in fact in a black Cadillac Escalade by that point
well they should be charged and locked up I think if they did that guess who's going to be well he's not going to turn
himself in because he only gives a [ __ ] about himself for one and but you know
but but they need to put pressure on the family I think that's the right thing to
do well in 2005 the authorities found Brown's catalac in the long-term parking lot at a Portland Oregon Airport MH okay
now while he was in Portland they learned that brown had been mailing packages of clothing and golf equipment
to his brother David John Brown who was still in San Diego again okay we have a case where your family's lying so you're
you're lying to the police you're harboring a fugitive right so charge him with something oh he's mailing stuff to
his brother charge the brother mhm I mean it's ridiculous I mean he killed an innocent person that was doing nothing
but his job a young man you know you know providing for himself probably maybe even his family and and this ass
wipe with frosted tips is running around all over you know uh sending golf supply
so he can go play golf somewhere that's ridiculous that's that this family is one uh this is a this is not a family
tree this is a family pile of [ __ ] well I like that you're getting so worked up
Captain because and I tell you why because like you said earlier people look at the top 10 list and they're like
this guy he killed one person and he's on this list how does he make the list and I I think when you really think
about this crime and think about the guy that perpetrated it this Jason Brown mhm
he knew he knew when he woke up that morning that if he saw the guard he was going to kill the guy for nothing other
than just greed just straight up greed to make off with as much money as he who knows how much he thought thought he was
going to get out of this but regardless of what he thought he was going to get out of it he took away someone's life
took someone away from their family permanently for $50,000 well and I i' would assume too
that these money trucks fall under the same guidelines as Banks do and so it becomes you know if you rob a bank
that's a federal offense and so same with armored vehicles you are exactly right it is considered a federal offense
to rob the armed truck um regarding his family we mentioned his brother David Brown he was indicted for obstruction of
justice um and the the indictment also claims that he tampered with evidence because he cleaned out Jason's BMW in
early December of that year um so he was involved in helping him obtain that other vehicle or switch out those two
vehicles right but we know it's his gun we know it's his fingerprints but again it's a obstruction of justice because
there's probably more evidence in that car mhm and and that's what they're angry about now in 2005 the FBI had more
than 200 leads in this case the majority of the leads were from outside of Arizona and dozens were coming from
outside of the United States including possible sightings in Canada well come on Canada help us out here well the FBI
says that they have more leads on Jason Brown than anyone else on the FBI's most
wanted list right uh but they said that most of these leads have been unhelpful um you had mentioned we had
mentioned sha pen earlier right that he Bears a close resemblance or people have
stated that he looks somewhat like Shawn pen I think a lot of that's coming from
his wanted poster that picture of him wearing the red hoodie that was the picture that was taken of him when he
was trying to obtain that uh conceal and carry license so that was a relatively recent photo of him right before the
crime now in a strange twist here one of Shawn Penn's body doubles was once mistakenly arrested by authorities who
thought he was Jason Brown and I'll post some pictures of Jason Derek Brown on our Instagram page at True Crime garage
investigators over the years have been presented with many different theories regarding where he could be hiding out
or the location of Jason Derek Brown one of the theories that seems to come up a
lot with him is that maybe he committed suicide and they've just not found his body yet now there's an investigator
worked this Cas for many years and he says in in an interview he says you know what I don't want to get into the
psychology of this whole thing I'm not going to try to get into the criminal's head but he says you know this guy is a
narcissist at the highest level he thinks way too much of himself and he says you know what I don't think that
this guy would kill himself he was greedy enough to put his life above anybody else's just to commit a murder
out of greed to take $56,000 well let's think about this for a second maybe maybe he's right right
he's a narcissist this is a greedy act you know he a malicious act to you know kill somebody for for what gain for some
monetary gain but this is an individual that you know his appearance is important to him you know his hairline
is running away from his face you know he he was driving a BMW he's all about appearances and he can't keep that
appearance up mhm so I could see somebody then coming to the you know reality to go you know well my life was
a sham none of these things matter or they shouldn't have mattered to begin with and and then often himself well and
sometimes being on the run for so long it creates its own stresses and can do things to a person over time there was a
credible sighting of him in 2008 this was August of 2008 uh a person that knew him recognized Brown at a traffic light
in Salt Lake City um he said that the person that brown looked over at him and recognized him back and when this took
place that brown ran the traffic light right now so we have a situation where Captain you know there is a reward for
everybody that is on the top 10 list the minimum reward is $100,000 they've doubled the reward for Jason Derek Brown
It's $200,000 at this time another theory that the authorities have thrown out there is that they believe he could
possibly be hiding amongst the Mormon Community under an assumed identity remember he has a lot of traces back to
that Salt Lake City area and he was also seen there in 2008 they believe that he
might be living with a woman kind of mooching off of her uh somebody that may not know his real identity he seems like
the type they also say that it's possible that he did flee the country and they would believe that he could be
living in France or Thailand is also noted I don't know what the the background is regarding Thailand yeah
that seems a little more likely to me I mean you know we talked about that he was overseas for a small period Well
Jason Dereck Brown has gone by many aliases over the years um including Jason Brown Derek Brown Greg Johnson
hairline Johnson we also have Greg Johnson and John Brown and J Brown so he's used many names over the years um
who knows if he's still using one of those names but remember you know if you see anybody on this list and again we
encourage you to go to fbi.gov and check out these sorry hairline Johnson yeah that's what it say we're just going to
glaze over that one yeah uh we are but we encourage everybody to go look at the faces of the people that we mentioned on
today's program and tomorrow's program and familiarize yourself with them and their description you know Jason was
listed as 5'10 blond hair medium build um 170 to 180 lbs at the time that he has fled he has green eyes um again
speaks fluent French and may be using any of those aliases but keep in mind if you see or you think you have any
information regarding somebody that's on this list all these people are extremely
dangerous people these are this is not somebody that you want to approach you want to notify authorities and let them
do their job yeah it's definitely don't don't be going uh Catey kid on them don't go r machio on them uh but we got
a lot more to get to tomorrow and it's getting late so yeah we're up against it and there's several more people that we
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The episode discusses the FBI's top 10 most wanted list and notable fugitives like Jason Derek Brown and Robert William Fiser.

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FBI's Most Wanted List. Exploring the FBI's top 10 most wanted fugitives and their stories.
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