True Crime Garage /// Off The Record /// Episode #34 | Forensic Files

[Applause] all right yeah back for part two I just got done crowd surfing all right so we were on uh
wait did we answer uh any plans for a Meetup other than crime conon did we answer that one no all right so the
answer is no the uh no well yes and yes here's the problem are there any plans no the captain's right there there
are no plans however it's not out of the realm of possibility sling up the party
a little bit we did um we did a podcast was that a was did they call that a podcast festival or podcast event that
we did at a festival I think at that uh theater downtown which was really cool you got us in in with that and then we
did something at the uh histor the um Historic Society sorry in Columbus Ohio last year where we actually talked about
a case yeah the podcast Fest we talked about some new information on the Brian schaer and that was actually heard on
off the Record mhm now with both of these events we we were finding out the details as we went so maybe we didn't
advertise them as well but also the people hosting the events didn't really didn't really sell it as well as I think
that they could have as well so we do other things than crime con we are certainly excited to be at crime con
this year and like I said we did those two things last year probably do two things again this year something or
other yeah I'm I've been putting out some fers on doing um just some meetups solo meetups the captain tour I'm trying
to come up with some idea like a evening with the captain MH where I go and maybe
play some of my songs other than the music that you hear from the show you can find that at Captain fat hands.com
but I've been working on something if I could figure out some way to do it where
I could go into a club play a small set do a Q&A do a meet and greet I might might try to do something like that if I
can connect all the dots to it well and we've tried and you especially Captain have tried to make arrangements with
other podcasters other True Crime podcasters to do like a uh you know a one one big event or get to meet several
of your favorites all at the same time yeah this normally doesn't line up the issue with that is yeah one we're all in
different cities and two our schedules are all different so like you had Tim and Lance reach out to you from uh crawl
space and from the missing Mara Murray podcast as well as did Jordan reach out to you from the nighttime podcast or was
that my did I make that up uh he had some event that he invited us to is going to be in Toronto but that's the
other thing that is difficult too is you can have one week that feels like a hurricane you know we you get done
recording you start trying to get ahead of the next episode getting all the ads together um put in the music where it
needs to be creating the music doing the research uh having phone meetings to know where we're where we're trying to
go with the story how do we want to tell the story and sometimes if there was event where we had to leave town that
episode is going to fall short right um so that's been the constant struggle and
that's why um I mean we've been approached by a couple companies where we would take one story one case and
would duplicate that multiple times and do like 10 cities or whatever I know like my favorite murder doing that it's
not out of the realm of possibilities but again just a day of travel travel in a day of focusing on a show we'd have to
do so much more work uh just to get the episode to be the quality we want it to be yeah people don't understand that
most weeks not every week and we agree on this not every week but most weeks it's a bit of a rat race because we're
we're recording and putting together what we hope to be a really good show we strive for it to be a really good show
and then we kind of have to tuck that one away put it away put it to bed and now we're we're starting with a blank
canvas on a case we may not know anything about right and we we have a week to dive as far into it as we can
and then record again and on top of that replying to emails just through the business of the podcast mhm emails of
suggestions for new cases emails of thoughts on the case we just covered or cases we just covered inin the last
month blog post Instagram post Instagram comments I mean just today alone I will probably reply
to a 100 uh direct messages in Instagram well so it's just it's never ending I did five phone call meetings myself last
week and I know you had you often have a bunch of phone call meetings every week
too because three of those phone call meetings you and I were on in the same meeting so I know you had a bunch as
well but uh you know and we we both have I you know I call them private investigators but I have guys that know
a lot about the web I know have guys that know about the dark web I I know private investigators I know just really
smart True Crime Guys so there's a lot of guys that that I have meetings with um through the weeks going hey we're
covering such and such case and they'll read up on it and give me their thoughts
and some angles to look at that maybe I didn't think about so or there's tips coming in I get stuff
sent to me uh we just had this very interesting tip that came to us just a Twitter message 12:00 at night about
ready to go to bed and for whatever reason I open up Twitter see this message it's this very weird link to a
case that you think there might be some legs to this lead and so you start sending that the people you know so they
can dive into it um and then you might end up spending 5 hours on something like that can you say what case it was I
won't ask you what the lead is but can you say what case there was just this weird connection with uh with um the Amy
mahalic case okay and I I sent it to you okay yeah so it's one of those things where is it something you don't know but
next thing you know you spend 5 hours on it and that cuts into your time to try to get all the other stuff done yeah
that's the other thing too it's it's chasing leads and and like you just said some of them are nothing some of them
you get to the end of wherever this thing is supposed to go and you go oh great this is all [ __ ] or yeah or
you just go or it's nothing you know somebody's heart was in the right place but but it's not uh um something that
that it's not likely yeah I've been diving into the these uh had multiple pages and links and all this
information that was sent to me about the Brandon Lawson case and gone through about half of them but when you spend
about you know 8 hours on these you go I I can't do this right now I need to get
ready for the next week of our show so the one one troubling thing I have Captain it's when when the old add kicks
in for me where I'm supposed to be researching a case a specific case and something will pull me into another
Direction and next thing I know I'm actually researching a completely different case because I've stumbled
onto something I'm sure you've been a victim of that as well the worst now though is when I play gigs um I mean I
love when somebody that listens to the show pops up just to say hello but you know I'll be on breaks at a gig talking
about cases and I'm just like I only chose to do this gig uh to come out hang out with my buddies and and get away
from True Crime right I'm constantly uh I'm forcing myself now to go uh okay can't watch True Crime today
right I can't read about it um I watched The Green Room have you heard about this
it's um a punk band goes to play um a party uh there's no money involved they can't make it back home so
the guy sets up another gig it just so happens to be for basically a Nazi group okay and they
play the gig the I'm not going to give it too much away but something happens and now they can't leave the
gig and they're surrounded by all these Nazis and I'm not a Gore movie fan I don't like Gore movies right it is very
gory um is the story good sometimes I find with the gore movies that it lacks in story it definitely
lacks in story but I I think just the concept in itself I mean that you're playing this party this Nazi party and
and these guys aren't Nazis they're just a punk band ain't no party like a Nazi party yeah not a thing that's not a
thing uh don't ever say that again um then he was replaced the following week there a Nazi party you can't leave you
can't leave you can't leave Nazi party a lot there's a lot of people going in no
one's coming out so it's ba it was basically a slasher film but instead of like the the monster being Jason or
Freddy it was it was this group group of Nazis but like it there's no signs that
it's going to be a gory movie dude but once it becomes gory it's like gory right away and you're like you just
described one of my favorite movies of all time From Dusk Till Dawn where you're I don't know if you're familiar
with it but yeah you watch it you don't know that you're going to end up watching a Gore slasher film and then it
very quickly turns into that uh at one point and you're I don't know I love that movie so it seems Seems like a
little bit of a of a nod to from dust still Dawn yeah so well I got through that movie but then I was going to watch
the 2020 qu uh Chris I can't talk the 2020 Chris Watts special and then I forc myself not to watch it and to watch a a
comedy movie with Adam Sandler this is my life now I have to force myself to a make yourself watch a comedy all right
does Nick know how smooth his voice is I don't know I I wish it could be smoother I I wish he could pronounce
cities correctly yeah look them up every now and then the best is sometimes he says them and I think to myself that is
so wrong but so you know sometimes there's tension where we got a lot of work to get done and you don't want to
stop and be like you sure you want to say Costa Rica that way Costa Rica Costa Rica a lot of people say Costa Rica it's
here's here's the thing that I get Costa Rica here's the thing that I get a little tired of Costa Rica Costa Rica
Costa Rica um is actually c s by the way Costa Rica but anyway um regardless the one thing I do take umage
with uh to be smooth is that um I I tend to and I get it I've I've heard you know
people say it's and you've actually told me this several times just look up the word well it doesn't always work out so
simple that way you can look it up and it doesn't always reflect the vernacular of the area right
right right so like the the the one where I where I got uh drawn and quartered for the crucified more than
any other was wer uh Massachusetts and and and I had many people email me and say how could
you not know that it's Worcester and if you look at the word itself it doesn't look any anything like
Worster well it's also starters right we have but we have Worster in Ohio there's
a Worster Ohio Town w s t r and wer yeah right so that that looks like Wooster anyway this is a long way
of saying I'm a I'm a blue collar guy from Ohio and I tend to say things the way that uh a blue collar guy from Ohio
would so if I mispronounce any one city it doesn't mean I don't mean it any disrespect I love so many cities and
states in this great country and have been fortunate enough to visit some in other countries as well um I absolutely
mean it with no disrespect it's just kind of um take me for what I am a salt of the earth kind of dude uh I'm going
to mispronounce names from time to time he's smooth and salty right that's gross all right okay
so uh why do you leave out the Gory details and when did you decide to do this like was it a conscious
thing which is I I I don't know if that's I mean they might be referring to one case which
again we could go through all the details of that case but uh well not every case do we
leave out the Gory details yeah it's it's not it's not even really a most of the time it's not a conscience effort uh
to do so um we have had I don't know about you Captain but I've received several emails throughout the years that
say you're you're too gory you know you're you're you're too um it's too gross it's too it's too heartbreaking to
listen to some of these and I'm not trying to play to any of those emails I just when when we put together a
case you kind of just do it on feel you really just kind of do it on fi some I mean how many times are you going to
repeat the same nasty terrible thing that somebody did especially when you have a Serial offender right A lot of
them do the same terrible things to each victim and it's really how many times you have to describe that for the
audience to know that that's what exactly happened yeah it seems kind of repetitive and trit and
and yeah my favorite is when they say it's disrespectful to the victim to leave out the Gory details which makes
zero sense to me right I've I've heard law enforcement officers have FBI agents that will leave out the Gory details to
show some respect to the victim that's the the sign that I I see it as it doesn't bother me saying
anything um I don't visualize it when I'm saying it so I think it it's fine for me but uh but I respect I respect
when we don't as well well and and to to kind of put a lid on this too there are rare is rare is it that I find
something in a case that I specifically choose not to say that I consciously make an effort to not include it during
our discussion right but the also when something is um listed like for example they were kidnapped they were bound they
were tortured they were raped they were sodomized then they were they were killed
mhm uh you could even say they were shot in the neck they were shot in the back there were shot in the head this person
was put into a a garbage bag and then put into a trash can now that was what was listed mhm there's not there's
nothing on that list that we missed that's what happened to them right we just didn't go step by step of what
happened right and if you want to hear that stuff I mean one you can Google it too but there's other shows that get off
on that stuff and sit around jerking off while they read that stuff and that's never going to be me so well and and we
try to let the case each individual case steer us and so you know and we also allow the discussion to steer us as well
all right if you had to drink I love this had to uh we need to have WI wine next year next year we need to not just
have a beer but we need to have a wine so our beer of the week will be a wine yeah but you call it the wine of the
week just one episode we've done wine before um but they said if you had to drink wine on an episode which wine
would you choose yeah do they need mean brand or variety I don't know that's I'm just
reading the question so my my goto wine is Mero most of the time and I drink red
wine much much more than I drink white wine so so Mero and then there's there's I'd go with nine crimes wine I mean
there's three dozen good merlos if not more what I love about the nine crimes wine is when you get it there's that app
that you put the phone up to the app or up to the bottle and then the picture comes alive and tells you the story why
the person's in jail mhm so it probably be that because it goes with the theme of our show the the difficult thing with
well we that's long enough never mind go ahead yeah but I mean we can I mean there look there's several times where
we have a a you know we drink a beer of the beer of the week and then we go to Miller Light or Guinness or Newcastle
because some of it is it's really hard to find these beers and then sometimes we go from beer to Bourbon just what
happens okay uh if you could interview a serial killer who would it be it's a good
question oh that's a tough question then I'm going to put a caveat to that so it so
it have to be somebody that we know their identity right I could because I could I
could weasel in there and go the Zodiac Killer then I would know who he is um I man that's tough because a lot of
these dudes you don't want to talk to and would you be behind glass or in a room with them yeah what's the setup
here cuz I'm not going to lie to you like you you mentioned wickline a few weeks ago about being terrified or
afraid of somebody he's not somebody that I would want to sit across the table from but if you put me on the
phone with him I would I would talk to him but well but see I would like to be across the glass from somewh like
that just to get a read on their personality oh yeah through the glass I just met in an unsupervised room just
sitting across the table from him no thank you and I I want to know if the fear that some of the cops had with
transporting them would that fear come to me yeah even though you're behind glass obviously but that's something
you're not going to really understand over the phone um the not serial killer but there's
there's a couple people I'd like for somebody to put you know like no glass just put me in a room with them I love I
mean give give me about an hour in a room with Chris Watts that'd be fun mhm I mean I literally think I'd just
end up kicking the [ __ ] out of him but I don't know if that's allowed in the interview um yeah but okay so let's give
him an answer well I think for me and this is this is I'm not trying to to be an ass with my answer here okay but I
would probably lean towards some deceased Killers because I to me that there's a
little bit of a mystery of what did they take to the Grave with them you know what and and I think my my first answer
and maybe the most justifiable response would be to interview somebody that you believe
that you could still add some further good uh to to the case meaning if there was something unsolved unresolved that
you could look at and say hey when I talk to this guy I'm going to try to figure out if I can get an answer
regarding this unsolved case yeah so that would be my first thought um this is Ted Bundy would be towards the top of
my list and and I I do take a little bit of flak because because I am so fascinated by Mr Theodore Bundy but um
uh he would be towards the top of my list here's this might be out of left field for your captain but the Coline
guys um CLE bold and um I can't think of their names off the top of my head but those those jerks I would I would like
to talk to because I I have a lot of uh questions for a lot of these these uh school shooter and people that just go
into a crowd and attack random people um I have a lot of questions about that so
it probably the the Coline guys would be the at the top of my list yeah I wouldn't mind talking to them I think my
theories that basically were told were dumb theories when we cover that case I think they would be proven correctly and
then I'd laugh at everybody ha and then um dmer but just because I think he's responsible for Adam Walsh's
murder and I think I would try to get him to talk about that so that that would be mine so I go with uh uh
dmer all right so next question how do you do your research I'll let you go how do we do the research yep that's
what it is um like I could say it I could say it as many times as I want that's it's not
going to change it's what it's going to be well simply you I'm going to break it
down my way I will start by quickly is is there a Wikipedia page if there's a Wikipedia page that's good enough for
80% of the True Crime shows out there so I'll start with that is there a Wikipedia page then I'll see is there
any YouTube videos is there a documentary done on this is there a podcast done on this and I'll start
creating a list of all the items and who did them for example if we get a case and I go to YouTube and I search that
case and there's a brain scratch well if you haven't watched a brain scratch you should because he does
great research he's a great guy great person uh he's very thorough going to learn a lot from him and look I'm a big
fan of of multiple True Crime shows I enjoy listening to my favorite murder do I think you're going to learn
a ton about the case maybe not but they're also going to be very entertaining and and that's kind of
their stick and there's other shows that are maybe less entertaining but more knowledge-based and I think brain
scratch is a great job so if if he has an epode on something I make sure I watch it now there might be three other
videos on YouTube by other people that I won't watch because I don't know where their quality is so same thing with
podcast the case might have been covered by generation why well I'm going to listen to episode of theirs yeah cuz
there's there's sorry I just slam my hand into something it's tight Quarters here in the garage they're they're
they're a solid show is is the best way most simple way to put it I think they're solid guys with solid research
sometimes there'll be a show you know uh my favorite it'll be called like True Crime uh step brother and sister half
siblings uh done in a shed and uh mil milwa and that'll be the name of the show and I'll try it and get
to 5 minutes into the episode and realized these people looked up Wikipedia and that's all we're getting
or or it's something you can't listen to It's it's painful yeah or it's or it's a
bunch of captains making jokes and it's like just okay let your let your Nick get to the story
so that's kind of where I sit and then I'll I'll I'll start like I said Wikipedia if there's a DAT line on it
then I start there but all those are only going to get you surface level stuff um now you know if you pay
attention to the show I'm going to be creating producing the music trying to figure out the
flow I'm also there to interject thoughts and we might have talking points along the way
but a lot of the detail stuff I might not have to I'm more of a visual learner and you know audio learner so if I I can
learn that way and I try to get it to the point with my research and my stick on the show is toally different the next
stick he's going to be coming in with the facts the details the the date and the time and the location I might not
have to remember that but I try to get it to the point where every conversation or I can call somebody up and say have
you ever heard of this case they say no and I could start talking for an hour right so that's where I try to get to in
in my research and my preparation for the show so it and I think the captain's answer is fantastic and I think it
points out one thing that's unique about this job let's call it that but I think
this also works for real life detectives we're not really detectives in the sense
we're just researchers uh for the most part yeah we have to play a little bit of detective from time to time but um
where a real detective I think they would tell you that no case is is the same you know that that each one can
kind of take take you in a different direction down a different Road there's different paths for everything and so I
think there's no cookie cutter version of how I do my research it does depend on the case more specifically it depends
on the location and the um when the time when the crime took place where so I will research a 1960s
case much differently than I will research a 2005 case right completely different now now with all cases my
favorite thing and usually my first go-to is try to find local coverage of the case if there be it
newspapers magazines Internet TV whatever usually I want to try to find local coverage of the case people that
know the area know the people of that area that's my go-to well also if you have connections there's been several
cases where I'll have a friend say oh well they there's a confession right and they have the documents of the
confession I'll get a buddy that actually gets those documents and and reads it to me um that might not have a
lot of bearing on on the way that we tell the story but it gives you a more un a bigger understanding of what the
actual what's happening in the case and I think that's what you're kind of saying too with like the local reporting
you're just going to have a better awareness of where the heads were to of the community in that area the
local people tend to be a little more detailed with their um story of what took place because they can be they know
the area they know the people and a lot of them have worked for years with local
law enforcement trying to get stories you know trying to get the information and put it out there so I love the local
stuff um like you had mentioned earlier about having some quote unquote friends I have I do have some individuals that
have different backgrounds I don't reach out to someone every case but if if something is obvious I will reach out to
somebody like you know like I I have a firefighter friend I have a somebody that's uh has a background in search and
rescue we have a friend that's a private detective we have a friend that's retired law enforcement retired
detective we have um you know different walks of life and so on a occasion if something's obvious I will reach out to
that person sometimes I'm even smart enough to do it a few weeks in advance you know
just send an email or send a text and say hey we're thinking about talking about this thing uh 3 weeks from now
there was a bomb involved there was a bomb that was sent through the mail do you know anything about that kind of
stuff and it it and it's it's so much it's less specific to that case it's more just what is your experience what
do you know about that type of crime well and I've had scenarios where I know the case pretty
well and uh we're we're days away from covering it and I'll go have a beer with a buddy maybe I text earlier in the week
and they say um sometimes they don't know anything about the case sometimes they know a lot right but they might
tell you on Monday I don't know much about the case but then when you go have that beer on Thursday 2 3 hours later
you're going wow this is a whale of a c there's a lot here so you know again I think we we try to put it in as much
details as we can with also trying to keep it entertaining and have discussions because that that's kind
that's also the fun in it too I mean you can sit there and research cases by yourself um you know Nick could do an
episode every week by himself and I could do an episode every week by our ourselves but it's really hearing the
other viewpoints because it's just like I was talking with this Amy Mahal thing that I've been looking at this angle of
it's somebody that knew the older brother it's just not something that was reported on highy by like James rener um
so to have a friend of mine dive into the case and and present a different idea to me it gets my brain sparked in a
different direction and and sometimes those conversations you know like you said your fireman friend you could call
and they could just say one line that really Sparks a whole different uh path of thought all right do you have a
favorite True Crime garage episode or episodes and why I have a I mean this going to sound
weird I have a lot I was just going to say I have a lot that I do like I have some that I
don't um so one thing that's been pointed out to me time and time again by by the
listeners and I I really respect their opinion more than my own and I've heard so many people say
the boys on the tracks that's the one that I when I'm telling somebody to listen to True Crime garage for the
first time I'm telling them check out boys on the tracks check out this episode that episode but the boys on the
tracks always seems to be in that conversation so if I had to pick a set which we did four we did four that was
four not three right yeah we did four episodes on boys on the tracks and I I think that that set is probably my
favorite because that's the one that I I'm very proud of the work that we did there because I have so many people say
that to me that that those were just well done and and this was it's also a case that a lot of people didn't know
about yeah if you were outside of Arkansas you didn't seem to know about the case at the time and so I I I go go
to that one Captain because like I said so many of the listeners whose opinions I respect more than my own and value
more than my own have suggested that that's our best yeah I I don't know if I have a favorite I mean I don't listen to
our show really so I try not to anyways cuz I think it just I don't know it makes you start thinking too much and
and I think it's better just to be as honest and authentic as I can be and I think if I listen back I'll start
critiquing myself and then I'll start planning stuff out and I just don't I don't know so but a case that still
Thrills me is boys on the tracks and I thought the music was really awesome so I thought I did a good job on that one
so all right uh so the best is when I get a message I didn't know you did the music yep every episode since the
beginning um we must have a bunch of new listeners because I'm getting flooded with case
suggestions of cases that we've covered yeah that's my favorite lately hey have you I'm getting a ton of that and some
of them are a little mean-spirited like I can't believe you haven't you know why
wouldn't you bother to look into Kaylee Anthony right we already have well we did we called her a troll well no
Kaylee's the victim the I mean well case we called Casey a troll yeah we did I think four hours on that case so um and
it look Nick cried while he read the letter from the grandpa yeah I did yeah we had to stop recording because I was
reading his suicide note and I I broke down the captain goes what's wrong I go I don't know and
and you go well you're you're like on the verge of tears and I go I know I can't talk that there's a lump in my
throat so big that I'm like choking right now and you go why is this bothering you so much for some reason I
like my soul like slipped out of my body and and became somebody else like I felt
I was him for whatever reason just reading it Time After Time After Time yeah that doesn't happen to me it it was
a weird moment for me yeah so okay would you ever consider doing a video format version of your
show no it was would be too much editing we edit I mean we could probably do a video version of off the Record but I
don't know if we could do one of um the show because you have to edit the audio then edit the video together it just be
too timec consuming and we already do roughly our schedule is two episodes a week of True Crime garage and one
episode of off the Record that's roughly what our schedule is so put out that much content and then have to edit both
video and audio now look we could hire somebody to do that but then you once you add somebody in the room it changes
the dynamic of the whole room so I have a couple thoughts on that one uh like you just pointed out our schedule it's
two full days in the garage two full days of recording editing uh just just that's just laying the show out you know
that's just putting the show together recording the vocals and and the audio for all that two full days and
it sounds like I'm sure there's several people going well that's only two days there's seven days in a week Colonel but
then you're then you're left the other five days to do everything else which is the research which is coming up with
next week's show and putting everything together for those two full days of recording the thing is it's a great idea
one I don't know that we have time for it like you pointed out but two we've also found that a lot of times that the
listens don't translate to views where right there's a reason why people are listening to podcasts they want to
listen to a podcast it's not every person that listens to a podcast goes oh I want to watch something as well they
can be mobile also so you're driving in your car you're listening you're you're riding your bike you're running you're
working out you're grocery shopping um there are a bunch of people that watch podcast on I mean there's plenty of
interviews I watch of Joe Rogan on on YouTube um when I can just sit down and watch it but or Clips but I don't know I
we like the me we like the medium of podcast so stick with that for now well and you and I have always even you know
being young dudes we were always fans of talk radio and this is the closest to talk radio we can get yeah and podcast
the thing I love about and the reason why I think it's so well received and so successful um as a medium is that
people you can you can listen to a podcast when you're doing anything I'm constantly listening when when I'm
cooking if I'm doing yard work if I'm working around the house if I'm driving uh if I'm working out you know anytime
that that my body's busy but my brain is not I'm listening to to a podcast and what's great about podcast is you can
choose your genre it's not like flipping on the radio there's plenty of times I flip on a radio and I'm I'm like well I
wish they would talk about this I wish they would talk about that and they don't and sometimes what's crazy about
uh what's going on I I think across the board these days is I like to listen to sports radio from time to time I find
more and more that when I tune into a sports network a sports radio station they're talking less and less about
sports on the sports networ yeah they're talking about politics or whatever Seinfeld or or the proper way to park
your car or how to interact with your co-workers yeah or like this show where they tune in to Listen to True Crime and
we're talking about everything else oh well this is off the Record and these are their questions I'm joking okay so
on that note uh what podcast and we've got we get this question all the time but it changes so look at that a natural
segue what podcast it's called practice practice makes perfect um what podcast do you guys listen to I'll just start so
you can think about it I listen every week you make me feel guilty now that I have to only include True Crime podcast
after saying we're not talking about True Crime I don't I haven't listened to a a podcast a true crime podcast
regularly in a year and a half two years what when you were listening to one regularly what was
it uh was the truth and Justice and um missing Mara Murray no missing Mara Murray I love Bob um I've listened a lot
of Bob Ruff stuff on truth and Justice listened a lot of episodes when he was covering Adnan Sayad uh but a lot of U
missing Mar Murray and a lot of generation wide pick and choose different oh thinking sideways but
they're gone now so they were they were my go-to really thinking sideways and and missing Mar Murray and I was such
big fans of thinking sideways and to just like hang out with him and they're like yeah Captain you're the cool guy
everybody likes it a great show it was a good show and I'd be like hanging out with them like just you know like
geeking out and same way with Tim and Lance it's like they look at it you like you're you
you have a successful podcast we we uh you know we're we're peers right mhm I I don't look at them like that because i'
I've just been a fan of their show all right so podcast that I listen to every Monday or Sunday nights I will listen to
this American life I just started cuz I just found out that fresh air is now a podcast it wasn't for a long time so I
listened to that one with Terry uh Terry Gross and then I've been listening to a
lot of Under the Skin uh it's Russell Brand's new podcast and those are three that I listen to every week so that's
your podcasting days to listen uh Sunday Monday kind of the no I mean I I listen
throughout the week but I'm just saying like um normally um I'm I do work for the show Monday night MH and then
normally when I'm driving home from that or driving home getting something to eat
around that time I'll listen to something every week Monday night or Sunday night so I listen to some
sports uh podcast and I we don't need to get too much into that but for reasons kind of piggybacking off of my last
answer is that I really love the NFL and we live in Columbus Ohio and we do have
really good sports radio stations here but they're so consumed with Ohio State Buckeyes with theot you know Buckeye
football which I love uh but it you really could tune in to a 2hour show they'll talk nothing but Buckey for an
hour and 45 and then the show afterwards will be 2 hours and they'll manage to talk Buckeyes for another hour 45 of
that 2hour show so being a big fan of the NFL I have a few NFL uh podcasts that I listen to that are specific to
the NFL and I listen to those in a way like you had mentioned to get away from the True Crime you know you can only um
you can only talk and listen to murder so much in one week it's you know it can get to you and just listening to and
reading about people doing terrible things to other people can get to you so that's my
Escape as far as true crime podcast go there's a ton of really good ones out there in my opinion but I listen more
case specific rather than show uh based off of the show so I might look up Ed keer let's say Edmund keer and I'll see
well who has covered him and I'll look up I I will pick my favorites you know rather than it be a show I've never
heard of if Generation Y has covered it if uh true murder anybody that we know has covered it I'll go to their show
first because I know it's going to be quality yeah um you know like I I too liked Bob's show but again case specific
you know he's been on on doing his podcast truth and justice for years right now I I followed it off and on
because I like some of the cases that he's covered more than others um I also it just becomes a time thing too I mean
we you can only listen to so much yeah I we both listen to more shows when we're
on the road more so I'll listen to True murder that's kind of a regular for me with Dan zupansky because it's it hops
around to different king of True Crime well and I really like I really like authors as well and I and I like true
crime books and and all actuality listening to True murder has saved me some money throughout the years
on some because some of the interviews get so in depth the author will get so in depth about their true crime book I
almost feel like I don't need to read it after so if you're a good author out there don't go on true murder because it
people won't buy your books and then other times I've purchased books because of the show but I also like Ripper cast
and um lately I've been listening to the who killed Amy mahalic but again case specific all right all right which case
have you put off doing for the longest and why um I mean I'll just my answer would
be um Jean Benet Ramsey but that's because a lot of the stuff that I believe happened was just
in the CBS report and I don't know if you watch that episode and we go to cover it it's
going to be a lot of that stuff or at least my opinions will be a lot of that angle so
and and I and I did see a bunch of comments of people stating hey realize that there are cases that
are so big that people just want to hear your opinions uh you know we've never really covered the Stephen Avery case or
or the Adon Sayed case and and and I I do see that and lately I keep seeing more and more of
these comments of hey it's we don't need to have every detail of those cases because they've been covered so much but
we do want to hear your thoughts on them that's difficult though for us Captain for for several reasons because then you
have other people that are like hey I've not paid any attention to that case for
whatever reason but I love your show and this week I'm I I don't feel like I'm getting a full show because you're
playing it to the audience that already knows that about that case well right so
like the stair case was difficult for us too because it's it's a fine balance of
this was 12 episodes or whatever was on on the documentary but it's a fine balance of including the right amount of
detail so people out there know what we're talking about when we get to the speculation yeah and so my answer is the
exact same as yours Captain Jean Benet Ramsey because one I don't know how many episodes it would take to thoroughly
cover that case probably four I possibly I I mean I really could I'm I'm and maybe I'm behind well I know
I'm behind but um always behind I'm a little surprised somebody hasn't done a whole show dedicated to that case you
know where it's 20 episodes or 25 episodes or something crazy because I really think you could I think somebody
could do a full year of coverage or full season or however you well lucky for you
I'm putting on a 52p part series on John Benet ramsy next year 20 19 um look forward to putting that out I
really think I think it could be done and that's why I that case scares me for the main reason of once we sit down to
do the research and look we thought West Memphis 3 was was was hey here's what's
great about the special I'm doing it's not only done with uh uh corresponding with CBS but also CBC also the BBC also
Al NBC uh CNN it's done with Fox News Network um MTV VH1 Pepsi Cola cocacola it's done with
all these people so it's going to be a great series I can't wait to put it out the CBC is by far my favorite network
the Columbus Brewing Company they are fantastic they're brilliant individuals they are changing lives over there at
Columbus bre all right speaking of changing lives last question how has the podcast changed
your life natural segue we this is not scripted folks not scripted I mean hey that is me clapping not spank not
spanking my ass that's me clapping uh well let's let's do it this way I I I thought that was a kind of a
weird question Tell me uh at least one way it's changed your life for the better and one way it's changed your
life for the worse or if you have some overall thought process on how it changed your existence U you can tell me
that as well well the number one CH way it's kind of double-edged Sword here change my life for the better and for
the worse at the same time with this one answer what was once a hobby is now my profession and that is a blessing many
weeks because it is a labor of love for me yeah yeah however it's also a curse at the same time because there are times
look we've all gone and worked jobs or got into careers that we were very passionate about but not every week you
know you do get burned out from time to time it's just natural it just happens these episodes should have been called
the from time to time episodes wh why do I keep saying from time to time yeah from time to time you
keep saying from time to time okay um but yeah so that that is my answer that that my one of my favorite hobbies one
of my favorite passions of reading True Crime is now become my profession so it's been a blessing and a curse at the
same time uh from time to time from time to time uh there's a lot more involved I
mean I when we started the show we really thought this going to be something extra we do Nick would be
doing his career I'd be doing my career and this would be something we' do we'd have to make time to do it and we look
at as like a part-time job and just the amount of work to again with the emails website shipping out merchandise
research for cases I mean the list goes on and on um and it's a great thing but it's it's it's become a lot more work
the bigger the show becomes the more work you know more you know More Money More Problems right I think bigy said it
best but um so I don't get to spend as much time on my instruments um guitar and bass and practicing as much as I
used to and and back in the day when I taught guitar it was nice I knew one of the reasons why I started teaching was I
knew that I'd have to have my instrument in my hand for at least 20 some hours a
week so naturally you're just going to keep getting better and better because you have the instrument in your hand um
the downfall of that was you're teaching a lot of beginners so yes you keep getting better at the fundamentals but
you're not pushing yourself um but but there are good things like um to compose a theme for each show every week it's
nice because it it the show is going to come I have to create something so it's really there's some weeks that I think
this song kind of sucks but then I'm like we got to put out a show and I don't have another
better idea so here it is and I put that that song out and normally those are the
ones that people are like this week's show this week this week's song is this music is fantastic and then there's a
couple weeks that I'm like this one this is the best song I've done and uh then we'll put it out there will be no
comments about that song right I think oh people or people say uh there's a couple where I was real proud of them
and uh one guy said this beat sounds like you're running through a field it's stupid or something but it's
just like you know it's like supposed to be spooky and it sounds like we're running through a field this song is
stupid or whatever uh what was that one comment uh and I don't remember verbatim
it's stop it with the music this is embarrassing yeah this is this music is embarrassing oh man oh and you know you
you uh yeah so I mean there's all these things cuz there's part of you that you can sit
there and you're putting yourself under a magnifying glass to yourself so there's so many things that you can be
like oh my God I'm such an idiot or oh why did I pronounce it that way or or some weeks that you can't talk so you're
just bumbling all over the place and you have to edit and edit and so that can get to you but then
on the other flip side you have a bunch of people almost every time I go out to to have a beer just in local brewing
companies somebody will be like hey Captain is that you right I'm what oh I heard your voice and then they come over
and it's like we're best friends because they've listened to a bunch of the shows
so we have a bunch of stuff to talk about and you just and then they just tell you how much they enjoy your show
and how much they listen to and from work and and those are the moments that you it makes everything worth it because
I was driving into those gigs I was getting in my car at night and and going okay I got an hour and a half drive home
oh by the way I got a podcast that last an hour and a half that I get to listen to Game Changer your night is going to
be pretty good right and so to have people tell you that you you do the same thing for them I mean that's I I
sometimes I forget that when I'm bitching uh about the work the emails but then when I'm reminded of it I go oh
yeah we're lucky we are very lucky to be doing what we're doing good answer good
answer all right that's enough that's enough of that tear it down shut it down all right tear it
up shut it down dare to keep a kid off drugs keep a kid go home there's nothing to see here all right till next week
[Applause]

True Crime Garage /// Off The Record /// Episode #34 Q&A /// Part 2 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com

Brief Summary

Hosts discuss podcasting challenges, meetups, research methods, and the emotional impact of true crime storytelling.

Key points

The Challenge of Podcasting. The hosts discuss the hectic pace of producing their show and the constant pressure to deliver quality content.
Meeting Fans at Gigs. The hosts share their experiences of meeting fans during live performances and the joy it brings them.
Interviewing Serial Killers. A discussion on the desire to interview infamous serial killers and the mysteries they leave behind.
Researching True Crime. The process of researching cases varies greatly depending on the time and location of the crime.
Boys on the Tracks. This episode resonates deeply with listeners, often recommended as a starting point for newcomers.
Emotional Moments. Recording a suicide note brought unexpected emotions to the surface during the show.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

It's a bit of a rat race.

Describing the hectic nature of podcast production.

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Tension

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