Todd Kohlhepp ////// Part 2 | Forensic Files

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[Music] in yesterday's show we started off by telling you the tragic story of four
people who were gunned down in the superbike Motorsports store in Chesney South Carolina in 2003. that case
remains unsolved then we tell you about the strange disappearance of a couple in
their early 30s this is 32 year old Charles Carver and his girlfriend 30 year old Kayla Brown and the super bike
case became one of the most popular cases in all of South Carolina one of the most famous cold cases of South
Carolina that's correct this case involving The Disappearance of these two young people well it started to pick up
some steam in the media when strange postings were taking place on their Facebook pages these were almost
postings pointing out that they're living some kind of secret life that they had not Des appeared at all that
they were they went off on their own and they're fine right police decide that they're going to use technology to try
to track down these two people and they start tracing Caleb Brown's cell phone well they find that her phone was
pinging off of towers up to two days after the couple was last seen in 2016. they traced these pings to towers that
are located in Woodruff South Carolina 50 miles away from where the two had lived yeah now this is a small town and
it has a small population yeah I believe that Woodruff is only like four square miles and the population would be
somewhere between like four and five thousand people so for so a small blip on the map right now they the police
still have an issue to deal with because now it's a matter of narrowing down a more specific location of where this
cell phone could be local located and then two getting a search warrant to go out and find the thing right so Anderson
investigators they worked the case for over a month and a half before they were able to conclude that there was cell
phone activity from Kayla's phone in that area now once they confirmed this they had to contact the Spartan
Spartansburg Sheriff's Office and informed them that they had their case of a missing couple and they believed
that the answers May lie within spartanburg's jurisdiction not only were the Anderson investigators
armed with cell phone records but they also had some information that had been provided to them from a third party okay
the information was that Kayla's body they were they had heard a rumor that Kayla's body is buried on a 100 Acre
property somewhere near Woodruff now the sheriff's department points out that there is only one property that matches
that description within a two mile radius of that cell phone tower and that is a 94 acre property belonging to a man
named Todd kohlhepp so they got the police helicopter right and they did a flyover of kohlhepp's
property okay what they were looking for what they were hoping to see is if they
could spot Charles Carver's white vehicle they had gone missing and had been missing for two months
after they did an extensive air search it turned up nothing yeah they didn't find the vehicle and also this guy Todd
he doesn't actually live on the property it's this property that he owns yeah it's a big hunk of land and the police
they're not going to give up on this on this gut feeling that they have they believe that the the property is
suspicious and they want to get boots on the ground and comb the property right better than pants on the ground the
problem with that Captain is they need to get a search warrant so they're going to have to have more than just suspicion
to get that piece of paper that will allow them to search the property well this is going to be hard to do well
investigators they went and they got Todd kohlhepp's cell phone records and this provided them with a confirmation
of what they already had suspected this put Todd kohlhepp's phone his cell phone
and Kayla Brown's cell phone in the same area at the time of her disappearance which that's all they really needed to
get the search warrant for his property yeah and the interesting thing here Captain this is a good tactic you had
mentioned that Todd did not live at that property no he he lived away and he lived in a like a regular neighborhood
you know not not on a big piece of property somewhere right and so what they did was they actually got two
search warrants one for his home where he lived and then one for the large 94 acre property that he owned
the thought is and they served them at the at the same time which is which is pretty brilliant I think because he can
only be at one of those properties if he wants to monitor what's going on right he can only be in one location at a time
so you're hoping that you get to walk a place without him interfering with any of your search right
and I'm picking the land well you if you're Todd no I'm if I'm law enforcement well they I'm picking I
don't want him at that land well then you got your wish because he decided to be at his home my guess is what what is
more likely is that he didn't have a choice in the matter they probably just showed up right we have a search warrant
yeah search in your house what I would do is watch his house and make sure that he's in the location that you want him
to be right okay so you have him at his house and you also have investigators at
his property both locations are being searched so the detectives and the deputies that
found themselves out on the big property on the 94-acre piece of property right this is on Thursday November 3rd early
in the morning they're there to serve that warrant they're out there walking this property
the investigators had searched a barn finding a u-bolt chain okay what's a u-bolt well I I said that
wrong they found a u-bolt and chains around a bed and a loft okay now that's weird yeah and it's going to get in a
loft and there's chains yes on these beds and it's going to get a little more weird because they start to hear some
kind of banging noise or so they thought I mean keep in mind this is a huge piece of property pretty
much unoccupied land so it's hard to tell but there's some but there's multiple buildings yeah the noise was
they described it as faint at first and they actually thought that it could just
be some noise coming from the woods so the deputies they moved out of the barn and they decided to listen a little
more closely and they started hearing it again this banging noise and they decided to chase after the noise moving
closer and closer to where they believed it was coming from yeah and as they moved on it was getting
louder and louder as they ran and the noise took them to a 30 foot long shipping container
one officer ran up to it and decided to knock on the side of this shipping container
that's when they heard screaming somebody was inside and they're yelling help me get me out of here oh my God so
the investigators they ultimately use cohep's own tools that they find on the property and in the barn and such to cut
open the container the deputies took the padlock off of the doors of the container and opened it up
inside they found the missing 30 year old woman Kayla Brown she she's alive you know but she's
tethered by the neck one investigator said she was chained like a dog in there and she tells the officers immediately
I've been in here for about two months now as Kayla emerged from the dark of that shipping container
so did Todd kohlhepp's Secrets right but we have another missing person we have Charles her her boyfriend yeah there's
no sign of him you know they they find Kayla but no sign of Charles Carver later dozens and dozens of people
searched the property and ultimately they ended up finding his vehicle it was found in a ravine
the thing was it was covered in Brush right and it was also spray painted brown so that's why they couldn't see
this thing from the air when they did the flyover Todd colehemp he was arrested um you know simply they just they just
call over to the guys searching his house and say slap the cuffs on him we found our missing person yeah they they
called over and they said use my friend are a piece of [ __ ] yeah and he decides
he's not going to cooperate with investigators he doesn't of course not he didn't tell them anything he doesn't
know anything about the woman that they found on his property chained up like a dog don't know anything about her yeah
never seen her no never talked to her yeah but she has a different story yes well let's get into her story and first
the the sheriff is on record describing the container as what he says is a hellish place to be locked up in during
the area's hot weather he stated that there were no lights there were no windows there's no airflow through this
little container thing now Kayla was wearing clothes when she was found but it's not clear whether they are the same
ones that she was wearing when she and Charles Carver went missing the sheriff said deputies found weapons on the
property um these are guns and ammunition on the land in his house or um it doesn't really matter but I
believe they found them in both locations right and he described the sheriff described the property as a farm
that has no one uh no home on it okay so now you mentioned Kayla now when she is she's receiving some medical
attention she's going to be put into an ambulance where she's going to go off to
receive treatment and during this time she has an opportunity to speak with investigators
who want to know how did this happen and what happened after you know since you've been here you say you've been
here for two months so Kayla informs them that she was introduced to Todd kohlhepp about five or six years ago by
some guy that she was dating at the time uh they said that they were friends uh I'm sorry she said that they were
friends her and Todd right she had stayed in touch with Todd Cole Heap from Facebook
and that she had started working for him started cleaning houses for him remember
kohlhepp is a realtor and so you know when you take over home especially if it's not occupied not everybody leaves
the home in good selling condition you bring in somebody some some cleaners to clean up the properties whether it be
outside or inside right now she stated that her and her boyfriend Charlie went to Cole hep's property in Woodruff to
thin some underbrush this was on the day that they went missing right she said that the three of
them had walked into the barn to get some tools for this under brush clearing now she states that they got some hedge
clippers and they walked back outside that's when Todd went back inside and shouted for them to hold on for a second
when Todd came back out he had a gun in his hand he fired three shots into Charlie's chest Charlie fell backwards
and Kayla was completely in shock she said that she looked down at him and that's when Todd grabbed her from behind
and he took her inside and put her on the floor he had handcuffed her handcuffing her hands behind her back
and then cuffed her feet then he sat down in a chair and told her that he was sorry about killing Charlie
but he had to let her know that he was serious and he wouldn't hurt her okay he wouldn't hurt her if she did what he
said he said to her that he couldn't believe that she didn't realize that he liked to
kill people okay yeah well you you saw houses man you're not killing people well that's that's you know I mean like
that how does that make any sense well he tells her how did you not know that I like killing people well he tells her
that he he actually killed people for the government for a living and that she should have known better
and he said that he was breaking all of his rules with her and he didn't know if he was going to
kill her or to sell her now when he when he took her inside I'm sorry when he took her outside she
saw Charlie Charlie was he was dead at this point and he was wrapped up in a blue tarp and in the bucket of Todd's
tractor she said that he then put her in a building and left her there he had told her that he buried Charlie
somewhere on his property and that no one would ever find him because he put red pepper around Charlie's body and
that wouldn't let the dogs smell the body well he must know this because he's killing people for the government well
we mentioned the vehicle remember Charlie's vehicle not only did he spray paint it brown and cover it with brush
so that people couldn't see it if they flew over top he also loaded it or told her that he loaded it with dog food so
that animals would come in and tear the thing up not leaving any evidence behind
that was in the vehicle right so he also told her that he sold people to sex trade in other countries
and that he used to kill people for the government stating that he was a military contractor and that when he got
home he just couldn't keep from seeing the bad in everyone and he said that he liked killing drug dealers
okay so Cole hepb he asked her but he killed Charlie for no reason really yeah well and he asked her for the passwords
to get into hers into Charlie's phones and to their Facebook accounts right she said that Todd kohlhepp liked to
brag to her that he was a serial killer and a mass murderer he said that he was going to kill more people because he had
dreams of his body count being in the three digits he said that at that time he was still
in the high two digits he also said that um if she was going to be a good girl that
he would teach her how to kill people and she could eventually be his partner all right so Kayla described the
treatment that she received goals to have some goals to have well uh from a very strange individual hey if if you
work hard enough if you're a good girl you can be a piece of [ __ ] just like me
well she would describe the treatment that she received at the hands of this monster she said that while she was
there he Todd would get to the property between one and three o'clock every day and he would take her out
to the main building right and this is where he would feed her and he would make her do whatever he wanted sexually
and then he would put her back in the building she said then he would always come back
between five and seven pm and take her back out into the building again usually feeding her and again most of the time
doing whatever he wanted to her he would let her take a bath um she said that she had a chain around her neck that was
connected to a wall and a cuff around her ankle now she said that he would come and get her out of there he would
come in with a gun and he would then walk her to the other building at gunpoint he told her Todd kohlhepp told Brown
that he would never see jail time for any of this because if he was caught he would either buy his way out
or his handlers would get him out of this situation right he also said that if he was ever caught that he would say
that that Kayla had shot Charlie that she had seduced Todd and he said that he had money you know
lots of money and that because of this the police would believe him and they would not believe her well this makes a
lot of sense yeah she seduced me and then she changed herself up and put it herself
and this storage container she did say that he never like if she would say no to something that she said he said that
she had to do right that he would never force himself on her because he didn't believe in rape right that's what he
said that's what he told her right which this the whole thing's rape right this gigantic piece of [ __ ] should understand
you you you're chaining her into a storage cap uh container and it's super hot out right and you're
taking her in to this house or other building by gunpoint it's it's all rape man
you're just big ah I just hate this guy well the other thing though too even though he says that he you know
wouldn't force himself on her he made it very clear to her that if she was no longer useful to him then he had no
reason to keep her around any longer and he's already told her that he killed her
boyfriend so she knows what knows that what he's capable of yeah yeah and if she did tell police though that as far
as she knew that Todd had not killed anybody since Charlie now Cole have told her told Kayla that
he was going to build a house on that property at some point and when he did the two of them could be in a
relationship together she also she stated that he was going to build some kind of soundproof room in
the house and that's where she would be kept and if if he trusted EO if he grew to trust her that at some point she
would be able to get out of the house and and walk and run the property it sounds like every girl's dream well I
guess he was he had explained Stockholm syndrome to her and he said he was telling her you know eventually this
Stockholm syndrome is going to kick in for you and when it does you and I can be happy together
it's it's just strange he also tells this is a tactic that you hear a lot when you find these cases he also told
her that she was not being looked for that nobody cared that she was missing right you know they they use this tactic
often now Todd kohlhepp told Kayla that there were just a few mentions of her on
Facebook about her disappearance and that the news only mentioned it once and this was uh when her disappearance hit
right around the one month mark she said that she knew people were looking for she she never gave up on
Hope of that and she also said that unfortunately she realized it was a lot easier
if Todd thought things were going to go his way so she just made him think whatever he wanted to think right and
Kayla states that Cole Hep revealed that he had kept another woman in this container before her
he told her that he had just held her that he he was going to keep her there and then at some point that girl had
pissed him off and he decided to kill her right she stated that she wanted to escape and
that she looked for opportunities to escape from him but she said you know I kept my eyes open for a chance but one
never presented itself right and there's probably a chance at some point to try to take off running or something but
chances are he's gonna shoot you well let's find out exactly who this creep Todd colehap is right after this beer
break [Music] foreign [Music] cheers captain now Todd colehap he was actually born under a different name he
was born Todd Christopher samsel this is way back in March 7th of 1971. he was born in Fort Lauderdale Florida Todd's
Father William samsel was a military veteran divorced from his mother in 1973 just after four years of marriage when
colehap was only two years old right now his mother Regina remarried shortly after this and at age five Todd took the
last name kohlhepp which was his stepfather's last name car Carl colehap was his stepfather he had adopted him
into the family along with two step siblings now in preschool Cole Hep would sit in the corner and he could only
interact with the other children in an angry manner according to his mother she also said that he would destroy
other children's projects and he would hit the other children one time he had bleached a goldfish what
yeah I guess I guess he wanted some kind of other pet like a hamster or something
like that and when his parents told him no you have a goldfish we're not getting
you the another pet right he killed the Goldfish yeah he's like well now I don't
have goldfish so I need a dog well it's funny that you mentioned dogs because he
actually one other thing that his mother pointed out was that at one time in his
early childhood he actually shot a dog with a BB gun and he had been kicked out of the Boy Scouts for multiple
disruptions they didn't go into any details about that but uh right who given what we've seen who knows what
that could mean now while living in Georgia kohlhepp spent three and a half months in a mental hospital as an
inpatient he was committed because he couldn't get along with other children according to his mother throughout his
childhood have expressed anger toward his stepfather and at age 12 in 1982 with his mother and stepfather they were
having marital problems right so Todd was sent to go live with his biological father for the summer
now Cole have barely knew his father at this point remember they separated when he was very young and his father moved
quite far away he hadn't seen his father in eight years by the time that he went to go live with
him his mother would later say that she believes that a lot of her son's problems might be because he never
really knew his father yeah could be acting out because of that well after that summer you know he only
goes and lives with his father for a summer after that one summer Todd then returns to South Carolina and he's going
to live with his mother at this point Todd is demanding that he be sent back to Arizona to live with his father okay
he's threatening to kill himself or his mother if she does not allow him to go back okay eventually Todd does go back
and live with his biological father and at some point he starts working for his father as a dishwasher and a busboy his
father owned a restaurant this is Billy's famous for ribs so in October of 1986 and this is according
to police records Todd kohlhepp he lured his neighbor this this girl lived three homes away
from his house yeah he okay so he goes up to their house knocks on the door this girl that he apparently was
targeting answers the door he tells her hey you need to come outside your boyfriend wants to talk to you once she
gets outside he pulls a gun on her and he decides to take her for a walk at gunpoint he then forced her to his home
which was like we said three Three Doors Down and he rapes this girl and he takes her he walks her home
and he actually tells her you know if you tell anybody I'm gonna kill you I'm gonna kill your family however someone
else ended up calling the police not this girl but somebody else in her family now the police they arrived at
Todd kohlhepp's home and when they found him there they found him with a rifle he's armed
and his first response to when they tell him why they are there is how much time am I going to get for
this weird yeah eventually they end up talking him down you know they he puts away the gun and he ends up going with
police now the thing is they end up charging him as an adult right so Todd's going to end up serving about 15 years
in jail yeah and upon his release he's now 30 years of age at this time and when he's released he moves back to
South Carolina he is then placed on the government's sex offender registry colehap applied for a South Carolina
real estate license this took place in 2006 and in doing so you know he has to sit down and he has to tell them about
his felony conviction right for this kidnapping and rape he in the application um which at the time it didn't require a
criminal background check I guess but he wrote he wrote like a completely different story of this whole incident
right and he stated that he had some kind of heated argument that the girl the girl was actually his girlfriend is
what he says and that they had some kind of heated argument and they decided to go for a walk and talk it out and it was
during this walk that she was reported as missing okay and when the police find them that he has a firearm well why does
he have a gun with him it's because of fear of and concern over gangs in the area at the time right so he gives them
this this story and they approve his license to become a real estate agent in the state of South Carolina
he would eventually work as a broker for a Spartanburg real estate company while
he ended up starting up his own real estate business this is called TKA real estate and this company employed
about a dozen real estate agents so he was doing pretty well he was pretty successful yeah he was doing well
enough to have one house and then he purchased that land that the girl was found on in 2014
for over three hundred thousand dollars and not only did he purchase that land Captain I guess he built like a chain
link fence on the property right and it costs eighty thousand dollars to put the
fence up on the property that is expensive fence now Kayla Brown had mentioned that the two were friends and
that she was working for Todd at the time that he had taken her captive there were friends from roughly about five
years and so the police would eventually release some of the interactions between
the two that led up to the point of her disappearance one is where she is asking
Cole Hep if he has any work for her stating I know that you want to help and I know you have work for me please let
me know as soon as you can then later Todd replied we will figure it out I would like to see you out of this hole
that you are temporarily in to which Kayla replies are me and Charlie still working at the land on Wednesday
Todd kohlhepp had hired her as we said and hired Carver to clear some brush from his property now on August 31st the
day that the two had disappeared Kayla asked him are we still meeting you at your house at noon and Todd replies
yes okay so on September 7th Todd kohlhepp sent another message this message is to
Kayla and says you know I'm not really sure what's going on but I saw this news article
that you that they are looking for you really hoping this is just you taking off for a few days at the beach or
something right this is just him covering his tracks and then on his own Facebook page this is after the
kidnapping he makes a post that says reading the news this person missing that person missing oh wait that person
just went to the beach with their friend so again covering his tracks and also acting like he knows nothing of anything
right so we have this guy now he's he's arrested and we have Kayla who's telling
them the complete story he abducted me and he killed my boyfriend he shot Charlie in the chest now police are
talking to this guy and they want to know the details because they have some of the information they have it from the
victim but she has also told him told the investigators that he has killed other people right
so Todd he's going to shift gears here and he's going to start agreeing to cooperate with the investigators but
he's got a list of his own demands okay he wanted them to help him do a few things and if they did
he was willing to cooperate and tell them about his other crimes okay what was this list okay so he had as we said
he he did pretty well for himself so he had a good amount of money I guess believe it or not
uh he referred to a woman as his girlfriend so according to him he had a girlfriend at the time when this
happened oh my God and his girlfriend had a daughter I believe and he wanted to take some of his money and transfer
it into an account so that she could use it for her daughter okay the police agree to to do this right they also the
other thing that he wanted to do was he wanted to talk to his mother before he was willing to talk to the police okay
he wanted a one-on-one conversation with her no police around that kind of thing
that's that's not how the realm of possibilities they agree to that as well and then I guess there was a a painting
or a picture of a horse that was important to their family I think it belonged to Todd's mother's mother
and it was in his home his mother was a mother yeah and he wanted the police to guarantee that they would give that
picture or that painting to her okay again something that's not unreasonable not unreasonable but you
also have to wonder you know these guys are like this guy's a monster and I don't want to do anything
for this guy why should we do anything for him well you you first wonder if he's going to give this money to his
quote unquote girlfriend and she's going to help him out somehow with it but the
talking to the mother thing not that big of a deal and this painting thing not that big of a deal if this if you
suspect that what his hostage was you know telling you is the truth then then this monster has some stories to
share and let's do a couple things to get these because then we can close some other cases well the first thing that he
does now remember we have that story from Kayla Brown that's saying you know he told me that he kept another woman in
this container before me right and that somehow she pissed him off and he killed
her yes so the first thing that Todd does and what he will agree to is he does take them to two graves on his
property this is in addition to Charlie Carver by this time when speaking with him they've recovered his Charlie's body
right so he's going to be charged for that murder correct so he takes them to two graves
and this is Megan Lee McGraw coaxy 25 and her husband Johnny Joe Cooksey who was 29. now the County coroner he
said that Megan was shot in the head and that Johnny was shot in the Torso the couple the story of this couple they
were reported missing late December 2015. this was shortly after each of them had
been released from jail Johnny had been arrested on December 10th and charged with unauthorized
solicitation and giving false information to the police Megan had been arrested on December 18th and charged
with child neglect according to court records the two of them they had a history of panhandling
now sled records s-l-e-d records show they had prior convictions for drug and alcohol
offenses dating all the way back to 2009. okay now Megan's mother was the one that
reported the two of them missing she reported her missing on December 22nd after she couldn't reach her on multiple
attempts now kolhap would tell us that he first saw Megan panhandling on Reedville Road one day and he felt bad
for her so he stopped and he talked to her and then he offered the couple a job cleaning houses for his real estate
agency right and the couple had gone to his property his big property in Woodruff to get
cleaning supplies this is when Todd says that Johnny decided to pull a knife out
and he tried to Rob Todd he said that he came at me and then I put two in his chest
so then the investigators they want to know well what what about Megan why is she dead and found on your property as
well and he said that he didn't want to kill her immediately he said that he was he was kind of
panicked you know he shot this guy and he didn't really know what to do with the girl now with the woman ring
so he said that he cuffed Megan and he left her on the floor of one of his buildings while he buried her
husband's body then he cleared the room in his metal shipping container this is the same one that they would later find
Kayla Brown in he said that during the time that he kept her he kept her for about five or
six days kept Megan there he had brought her things uh Little Caesar's Pizza Dr Peppers uh a lighter Newport cigarettes
and he was trying to tell her that he would take her he would drive her to Tennessee and he would give her like
four or five thousand dollars so she could start her life over again she could get a job and she could just
disappear up there well I don't know where that plan went awry or maybe she wasn't agreeing to that but
he said at some point that Megan kept burning things inside the container and that he had found the storage
container full of smoke and because she had been burning things you know she was doing things that were
pissing him off she was not agreeing she was not playing along with whatever she was supposed to
be doing she was breaking things right setting things on fire and so to get rescued well
that's what she was doing yeah and he said that he kind of played a trick on her he said that he was going to let her
go and he walked her out of the container and after they got out of that storage container he put a bullet in the
back of her head he says that he ended up using the same Glock 22 to kill Johnny and Charles yeah but what Todd's
doing here is he's confessing in a way but I don't think he's telling the actual truth of what happened yeah
confessing in a way that points out that it might not be 100 his fault that these
people are dead they did things to him that that ended in the result of them dying or being killed because hey you
take two panhandlers and you go on your property that gives you a reason to be carrying a
gun and the guy pulls a knife at you and charges at you and you shoot him dead okay well if that was the case and it
was in self-defense she called the police but you didn't do that you chained somebody up into a storage
container well and there's also some proof that he may have known uh one or both of these victims before he saw them
panhandling on the side of the road because later a uh some people that worked at a Waffle House in the area
they came forward and they're like you know Megan used to work here at this Waffle House right and we knew Todd
Coley and what he was known for was he was a regular that would come into the waffle house and he would harass the The
Waitresses he would creep them out yeah and it it got to the point where the you
know how there's always like they always have the female waitresses working you know serving the tables taking the
orders and the Waffle House typically will have a guy standing there cooking you know he's the the cook right
and that's kind of the way they've always done things well because Todd creeped out these waitresses so much
the cook when Todd would come in he would stop cooking and he would go over and interact with Todd and he would take
the orders right right so the waitresses didn't even have to talk to this guy well good for the cooks you know
good job creepo well so now he's confessed to three murders right right well at some point
his mother Todd's mother tells the police and investigators that they might want to ask Todd about the superbike
murders yeah the most popular case in the state's history well and you know we said that that Todd had his demands for
the police that he was only going to talk to them if they agreed to certain things and I'm sure a lot of people get
angry when they hear the investigators agreed to anything right but the thing is is at that time they had already
spoken to his mother they already had suspicions that he might be responsible for the superbike murders okay they told
him we will agree to these if you talk to us about Superbike they Todd says no I I will talk to you about that but not
until after I get to do a b and c okay that's why they agreed to that but they did not agree to it until that he gave
them a little something more right right they say you need to tell us something that only the killer would actually know
what did he say he described the two types of ammo that were used in The Killing he actually
described the weight and the grain of the bullets that were used really and it wasn't until later that he would tell
them the full story but the full story goes like this Todd kohlhepp told the investigators that he
had actually bought a motorcycle from Superbike in April of 2003. 14 days later the bike would be stolen
from his apartment he filed a police report with the local police there just days before the theft kohlhepp
stated that he had actually gone back to the Superbike store and asked if he could return the bike because he
couldn't ride it kohlhepp states that when he was there that the workers laughed at him yeah
then he's going to State the police that he thinks it's odd that he went back to
try to get to return the bike and then a couple days later the bike is stolen so
now he believes that the store stole the bike yeah they stole the bike and they laughed at him because he couldn't ride
it Cole have said that he for the next few months he returned to the store several
times and during these visits he would test out Different Bikes he said he was looking for a beginner bike something
that he thought he could handle nobody had ever trained him or taught him how to ride a motorcycle right
but on November 3rd 2003 Cole Hep drove to the Chesney store after he had some classes at uh Greenville Tech where he
went to school during this visit he pretended to be a customer he was really wasting a lot of time looking at
different bikes one in particular a black katana 600. now we know that Kelly Sisk would see that exchange between
Todd kohlhepp and the soap the superbike owner Scott Ponder Sisk left with his four-year-old son and
this is when Todd kohlhepp began his plan he told them that he wanted to purchase
the bike and so the katana bike traveled to the back of the shop to be prepped to leave
the store during this time Todd went to the back of the shop as well and this is where he
shot Chris Sherbert twice once determined that the man was dead he pushed through the bi-fold doors with
his knuckles like with his fist so he wouldn't be leaving any fingerprints Todd then encountered Beverly guy
and he said this was a non-intended Target he didn't even know that she was there at the store but he then then shot
her and he would end up shooting Brian Lucas and Scott Ponder as they were running
out the front door he said at that point then he went up and he fired a kill shot in each of
their heads he also told the investigators that no prints were found on the shell
casings in the shop because he wore two pairs of gloves when loading his Firearms even when he was practicing
some other things that Todd kohlhepp told the investigators during his interviews he stated that he was not a
terrorist that he would never do anything against the interest of the United States stating that he loved his
country he told the police that he would never kill an officer he would never kill
children or the elderly kohlhepp said that he didn't think this is this is weird right
so he didn't think that Caleb Brown deserved to receive the 25 000 Superbike murder case reward
that he in fact deserved to receive the money because he was the one that confessed to it and told them how it
went down right so yeah that's what they do they give the money to the person that
killed the people that's what they do Todd they also figured out that kohlhepp actually
received a letter from the police when they were still working the superbike murder case kohlhepp received a letter
from them in 2013 because he was listed in a customer log because he did buy that bike in April right you know many
months before this thing went down so he never really outwardly States a motive for the quadruple homicide but
it's clear he was very angry with them right and we also see this pattern of anger and anger towards other people
dating back to his very early childhood days where he can't handle anger he can't handle people and when he thought
that they stole his bike from him and that they were laughing at him and making fun of him
he decided the best way to handle this is to drive in there and shoot every person in the store that worked there
yeah and the sad thing though is it might not have been that premeditated it could have been as simple as hey you
know what I've taken a couple lessons now I think I could ride a bike let me have this bike they take the bike they
put it on you know the lift to work on it and he's back there and uh he's talking about how I had a bike before
and it was stolen and the guy's like oh you're the guy that couldn't ride the bike right you know it could have just
been one little offhanded remark that just made him snap I think the thing that that led his mother to believe that
he might be responsible for the super bike murders and to talk to police about it she states that you know after she
figured out that her son was capable of killing people after they found that woman on his property that she recalled
that 13 years ago when this thing had went down Todd was especially nervous he seemed off and he seemed weird and he
even made the comment to her a couple times that he's I'm never even going to drive by that store again right well
obviously he doesn't want to be seen because he does match the description that was given by that last customer
that was in the store I want to do a couple of follow-up things here on this case before was shut
down for the day Captain there's there's some interesting things that are still going on with Todd's case to this day
now he would ultimately end up pleading guilty to seven counts of murder and one
count of kidnapping he is currently serving a seven seven life sentences in state prison in South Carolina plus
additional time for the kidnapping he's never going to get out and he pled guilty to this just to save his own butt
so he wouldn't get the death penalty right now there are some people there the victims families are a little upset
with the current situation they believe that uh Todd is either receiving special
treatment maybe special's not the right word but they're receiving he's receiving treatment that they don't
agree with apparently Todd has wrote some letters and made some drawings and things that have worked their way to the
outside and then have been sold on his behalf I don't know if the money ended up going to Todd but rightfully so
the victim's families are very upset with this right you know he should not have the opportunity to make any money
at all while he's behind you know Prison Walls yeah and furthermore they are upset that he's
not currently in the general population of this prison that he's being held uh most these guys get some type of
solitary confinement where they're by themselves in a Cell by themselves for most of the day every day and one would
argue that that in a in a way is a form of increased punishment yeah but I think
that what the family is saying is look we would prefer that he's out in genpop and whatever whatever those guys want to
do with them let it be right because a lot of times you take like a pedophile or something they get theirs in prison
but also sometimes you know he's Todd is a murderer but he's also a rapist and sometimes guys on the inside hear about
that and they um car you know Karma becomes a [ __ ] well and he also I think Todd kind of
fancies himself a bit of a celebrity amongst the other prisoners which might play itself out in a bad way for Todd
right so we have let's move from general population inside the prison to General
Public outside the prison system there's a lot of people in the general public that are kind of upset about this case
because Todd has continually told investigators that he's guilty of more murders
but he states that they're not willing to talk to me about it I keep telling them that I've killed more people they
don't seem to care they don't want any details so we have people in our general public
that are kind of saying well why wouldn't they be interested why don't they want to work these cases is it just
because he's locked up for good that they don't care anymore right but we also have Todd on record lying about
other things so is it possible he's just lying about this my guess is that you are absolutely right captain that he
they they've probably checked up on his whereabouts and they're probably not finding any cases that match his cases
that his known victims I bet you they've done quite a bit of work on this we know that they looked at
him for that bank robbery for the for the killings at the bank they've never confirmed who actually pulled that off
yeah but they did look at him for that I think here's where I think we should direct our attention rather than this
claim that there's all these other victims and that the police don't want to work the case this is where my anger
lies and it kind of lies within the system itself and because of horrible the horrible tragedy that took place in
Florida not too long ago the big talk right now that everybody's talking about is gun laws gun control
should we have guns should we not have guns should we have this should we not have that right
what the problem I have here is with this specific case and where it comes down to gun laws and gun rules and how
we should conduct ourselves we have a guy that committed a violent crime even though he was a child he was
15 years old he committed a violent gun related crime where he raped another girl he raped a girl that was under the
age of 18. he was convicted of this he was a felon right using a gun he goes to another
state and ultimately somehow illegally acquires other firearms that he uses to kill to kill these victims right
what I want what where I want the investigation to continue is I think we have rules for a reason we have laws
for a reason there's no reason why a man like Todd kohlhepp should ever have a gun
and I think when you sell illegally sell guns to people there should be something
that happens retroactively if they end up finding tracing that gun to a crime where the gun exchanged hands illegally
they do have those laws they do have them do how often do we hear somebody being
convicted of such right let's find these people that he purchased these guns from
and let's punish them or you go back to the idea that you know you know what we it's sad to me that
somebody could take somebody by gunpoint and rate them and only get 15 years like give them 30 years you know give
him give him 40 years you know I I don't know I think that's I agree with you on the gun law thing
but I think also uh people should get more time for these heinous crimes I agree 100 but I but I also think that
before we decide before we start discussing other things with guns we need to start agreeing that we are going
to hold people to the laws that we've currently created we can't create more laws and uphold them if we're not
upholding the the ones that we currently have it would be a good starting point in my opinion I do think it's very
possible that at some point later in the future that they're going to hold them responsible for another crime
um just because I mean you have again a mass shooting and then you have two other cases that are very similar with
you know basically killing the boyfriend and then kidnapping the girlfriend but there could just be a singular person
out there um you know like he said he'd like to kill drug dealers and stuff like that
there might be another case later that they able to charge this guy with [Music]
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Episode 190 - 3pm on November 6th, 2003 someone walked into the Superbike Motorsports store in Chesnee, South Carolina and shot the owner, his mother and both employees in the head. The crime became known as “The Superbike Murders” and it seemed as senseless as it was cold-blooded. Nothing was taken from the store. It became one of the most famous cold cases in the state of South Carolina. Police refused to give up on the case and thirteen years later they got what they had been looking for but it started with the disappearance of a young couple.

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Brief Summary

Todd Kohlhepp, a serial killer, kidnapped Kayla Brown and murdered her boyfriend Charles Carver; she was found alive in a shipping container.

Key points

The Search Warrant Strategy. Investigators executed simultaneous search warrants at Kohlhepp's home and property, hoping to catch him off guard.
The Disappearance of Kayla Brown. Kayla Brown was found alive after being missing for two months, chained in a shipping container.
Kohlhepp's Disturbing Confession. Todd Kohlhepp admitted to Kayla that he liked to kill people and had killed her boyfriend.
Todd Kohlhepp's Dark Past. Born Todd Christopher Samsel, Kohlhepp's childhood was marked by violence and anger.
The Abduction of Kayla Brown. Kohlhepp abducted Kayla Brown, who later revealed chilling details of her captivity.
Confessions of a Killer. Kohlhepp confessed to multiple murders, revealing a disturbing pattern of violence.

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