Frauke Liebs /// Part 2 /// 680 | Forensic Files

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talk some true crime foreign [Music] leaves went missing after a night out at the pub
we already talked about a couple of communications that came in from fruka to her roommate and to some family
members and a big reminder here before we go through these additional Communications
remember that the calls were not recorded the police were not heavily involved there is no real investigation
going on at this point so when we go through these calls these are transcripts that have been created based
off of memory reconstructed through the memory of the person or persons who received the call that were on the call
with fructa leaves we start off with Sunday the 25th this is at 10 28 p.m fruka called Chris her
roommate and friend fruka says coming home today Chris says are you in danger fricka no
Chris says why didn't you come home yesterday froka says can I explain to you I wonder if this is supposed to mean
can't I explain to you or I cannot explain to you but the notes we have say can I explain to you Chris says where
are you froka I'll tell you when I'm home Chris who is with you froka I'll tell you
later this is weird right because not just the communication but weird for the person
receiving it you gotta feel like the roommate who cares about his friend and the family
members who care about their loved one when they are getting these phone calls they they come in unannounced
they come in they may even catch them off guard but at the same time you have a person
on the other end the receiving end of the call that's trying to extract as much information as they can from froka
before the call goes dead or before she hangs up so your natural instinct is going to
want to be to interrogate her to question her to to get as much information from her as you can
to try to help the situation but the other thing the problem with that is with the the quickness of these
calls with the short time period that they are on the call together you got to be conflicted wondering do I
spend my time questioning her to try to get her to open up and give us some information or do I just be silent
and let her talk that way we do get more information it's a very it's a very sketchy situation a very kind of a
catch-22 to find oneself in two days after she goes missing her friends and family start getting some communication
with her saying that she's coming home soon she keeps saying I'm coming home today she doesn't come home on the 26th
though which is a Monday no communication correct and so the next communication doesn't happen until that
Tuesday the 27th we have Chris he's at the apartment that they share together and
also at the apartment with him Captain is Karen Karen is fruka's sister so the two of
them are at the apartment together now her mother and father were actually there for the majority of this day but
had left just a brief time before another mysterious phone call comes in Chris's phone rings at 11 24 p.m the
good thing the Saving Grace here is while these phone calls are not recorded the time stamps are
via his phone his listening device Chris picks up the phone he says froka Karen is here too froco replies are Mom
and Dad there too Chris they're gone already hey I'll just put you on speaker says is Karen close to you he responds
yes she says I'd like to talk to her please Karen jumps on saying hello froka how
are you froka please don't ask Karen where are you the reply I can't say Karen again come
home the reply no that won't do Karen says are you scared froker replies no Karen says are you tired remember we
talked about what Chris had said before that in one of the previous at least one
of the previous Communications he said that she sounded like she was blurry and we wondered if this meant like she
sounded sleepy or slurring her words right so her sister asked are you tired froka says yeah very tired please tell
everyone I love them very much Karen says when are you coming home froka I've got to hang up please hand the phone
over to Chris Chris says why did you leave frocuses you know that Chris says are you being held
froka and this is what's it's reported as she says this very faintly remember Chris says are you being held
very faintly she replies yes and then all of a sudden she gets loud and goes no no
Chris you know that the police are looking for you froka yes I've been away for a week Chris says who's with you she
replies I can't say Chris says no did you meet another guy to which she replies you have to know I haven't been staying
away for a week because I met another guy come on you know me our mom and dad there too
Chris says they were here remember he's already answered this question she circled back to this question and the
same phone call he says they were here and then she says tell them I love them very much Chris
says should I pick you up she says no that won't do Chris asked can we meet up somewhere
again that won't do Chris says where are you and now focuses mama Chris says Where Are You froka Mama
Chris says Where Are You froka Mama Chris says are you afraid to come home the reply is no Chris says something to
the effect of we'll clean up your apartment um some sources say that that he said
that the apartment is vacant remember we have to translate this from German to English and some words and phrases just
don't translate into something that makes 100 percent s uh so he's saying something to the
effect of we'll clean up your apartment or your apartment's vacant and nobody will ask you what happened just come
home she replies that won't do I'm still alive which again is it's very strange because she's talking yes and remember
she's already circled back to a question that he answered very clearly earlier with the are my parents there no they've
already left later again in a very short conversation are my parents there no they've already left it's almost like
between the blurry and the incoherentness of her questions and statements you almost wonder if she's drugged yeah
or or again I mean if somebody's holding a gun to your head or who knows how they're overseeing these calls
they're policing your words and you're policing your own words because you don't know you may not there may not be
a clear line a clear divide of what is right and wrong for you to say right if your life's on the line and she might be
watching and monitoring the person that's watching and monitoring her so she's it's almost like um some of her
communication sounds like you know when you call somebody and you're talking to him you talk to him and all of a sudden
you hear them typing or you can hear the TV in the background and they just don't
seem like they're paying attention much that's how some of this communication comes off but I think because she's
monitoring whoever's monitoring her and she's trying to see if what I just said how is how are they reacting to that and
I I think the reason why I shoot circles back is this we're coming to the end and
she knows it all my sisters here put her on I'd like to talk to her hey I love you and I love everybody and tell
everybody I love them hey are my parents there yet right you know tell them I love them
the mama the repeat of mama is strange is because we have in other conversations
repeating of words and he wonder if she was trying to communicate something by doing that and that's scary to me too
because we've we've covered many a case where we know that someone was crying out for a parent
specifically their mother on many occasions when they're terrified or death is at their door
and now this next part Captain I want you to pay attention to and everybody out there at
listener land plump up them ear balls uh because listen to the difference in the words now this is again we're just
the same conversation here right after froka replied with that weird statement of I'm still alive
Chris says are you with one or more people broker replies please don't ask me I'd like to be with you all I'd like
to come home that's where your earballs gotta perk up and and the the difference there that's
a huge shift and what she's saying because before everything was I'm coming home soon
right we now have a shift to I would like to come home yeah it's almost like she is talking to her Captor at that
point I like to be home with my family where she's giving up I'd like to be home with you all or maybe if she was
believing her captor earlier that I will let you go at some point you will get to
go home at some point maybe she doesn't believe that anymore right but like like
I said that's the thing about these I'm just assuming never kidnapped anybody I'm just assuming that if you did you
can say whatever you want until it gets that Crossroad and I think obviously the longer that
she's been held captor the the longer she is not going to believe somebody if he goes hey on on Wednesday I'm going to
take you home and that doesn't happen on Thursday I'm going to take you home and
that doesn't happen at some point you go it's it's not going to happen Chris then
ask when will you call again she replies I'm not sure Chris says please call every day and then she replies yes I
will ciao bye for now so in this call we have the sister Karen and roommate Chris listening together
and they both said the same thing that Focus sounded slurred and they both thought that maybe or suspected that
maybe she had been drugged for this call well let's face it Chris is an ex-boyfriend
they've been friends for a long time she moved out there they live together don't know if
there's no evidence that they had any romantic relationship but she's leaving the bar she makes a
text message she sends a text message to Chris I'm going to be home she never shows up
he starts getting this communication at first if you're reading the story or if when
you start investigating the story you go gotta look into this guy is this communication actually happening
now what we know is earlier a few days earlier the brother made contact so that's obviously
some evidence that Chris is telling us the truth but it again even more evidence that Chris is telling us the
truth because his sister is there correct and I mean unless he's working in tandem with somebody right Chris is
not responsible for whatever's happening to froka at this point in our timeline now one thing that's really interesting
we would learn later okay gotta be clear later we're going to learn from law enforcement that when they were able to
try to figure out the location of these communications where they were coming from where her phone was at the time of
the the communications in the very first text that she sent they determined the location of her phone to be near a town
called nahim now this is very interesting for many reasons but one in particular is after this communication
right here that we just went through Captain remember she says Mama three times in a row her mother Ingrid goes to
the police and says look my daughter's calling communicating with us we believe that she's being held
captive we also believe that some of her messages and words to us sentences to us
are cryptic and maybe she's speaking in code or trying to tell us something trying to get us to read between the
lines Ingrid tells police her concern is that reading between the lines of this last phone call when she says Mama
three times in a row the Ingrid had once worked at a school in a small town near nahim Ingrid would
later learn this information and wonder if this was her daughter trying to tell them
saying Mama repeatedly that there's some connection to my mom to where I am to where I'm being held I can't tell you
where I'm being held because they'll kill me right but here's here's a clue here's a little
clue now we'll never know for certain but it is certainly interesting I still don't understand
the hesitation by law enforcement to get involved once you have a couple Communications that don't add up to the
family and friends and we have a missing person why isn't there more involvement by law
enforcement this call unfortunately will be the last one that she will make to her family
and think about what's very different about this call compared to the previous ones
first off there seems to be much more desperation in my opinion in her word choices compared to earlier
Communications secondly this call much much more lengthier than the other calls this call
is about five minutes long the other calls some of them were just seconds we're just two sentences and
then a hang up right Ralph Osterman the lead investigator on the case he said a couple of things
he said that he believes that this call was very likely a cry for help and that froka may have known at the
time of the call that she would not be talking to her family again remember she says a couple of times tell my family I
love them tell Mom and Dad I love them right I love them very much that's almost a good buy
uh the mama mama could have been some kind of code cry for help a very different call than the other
ones and then unfortunately this is the last communication that friends or family receive from the
missing from froka out of all the calls the content of this call I think is probably more accurate than all the
other ones because we don't have just one person trying to reiterate what they remember from the call we have two
individuals exactly and here's an interesting thing to ponder too is that there's no doubt in the family's mind
that the phone calls were from froka that that it was her on the other line they recognized their voice they know
her better than anyone else we have no reason to to not believe them as for the text
let's face it that I mean the text could be from anyone could be from the captor right the
family and Chris agree that the first text was definitely from froka and I I believe that as well we there's a huge
shift uh in in that communication to the rest of them that one was very personable so I don't think trying to
suss out the the what calls and texts came from whom is worth spending a whole lot of time on I
think all of us can agree the calls were from froco we don't know what Puppeteer
is is orchestrating the words of that call or the communication of that call but the text
first one definitely from her the other one's all up to question but would you disagree or agree that
she's being monitored every time there's communication I would find it highly unlikely that she wasn't I agree and I
I'm with you Captain I feel like there's only one two or three possible reasons that the
captor allows her to communicate either it's to buy time keep the cops away which seem to work
or some kind of fetish some kind of sadistic torture mind F situation or three It's a combination of both
now the police later they got so they get involved they gather the cell phone data information
they're going to be able to paint a picture get a picture of where these calls and text messages were coming from
at the time that they were placed or sent the first text as we mentioned was from the area of nahim and the hockster
district population of about 6 500 people this is 35 kilometers Northeast of peterborn of where she was last seen
of the peterborn center the rest of the calls in the text came from an industrial areas in and around
peterborn itself yeah I think you could dive into these there's a lot of information you could
dive into about the whereabouts of these locations I think there's evidence from
her communication to our family and friends that she has been moved at some point because she says I was here now
I'm now I'm here again we don't know if that's just a ruse to throw people off or not and we don't know if there's some
device that is moving the location of these calls either I don't know how much that matters in
this investigation though well I think what we have here is like you said her indicating that it sounds like she's
been moved around according to what she's saying and then we have the science to
when you cross-reference it seems to line up with that so she apparently she the device the
phone that's communicating is moving and the the second of the communications comes in from 16 kilometers about 10
miles away from the area that she went missing interestingly enough it comes in about 27 miles from Naim which was the
location of the first text one thing we have to point out here is that that first text that comes in at
12 49 A.M the first night when she's supposedly leaving the pub a little after 11 she
says she's leaving on foot but what we do know happened here Captain is she had to have gotten into a vehicle
because that location that location is 35 kilometers from the pub that she was previously seen with her friends right
she didn't walk 22 miles in the course of an hour and 50 minutes so basically what you're saying is that
First Communication the night she went missing was that was a controlled communication I think it could be but
what I think is happening here is I think that she she's either she's either abducted at this point and as unaware of
it or she's in another town or she took a ride from someone thinking she would in fact be coming home that night so
just to to flesh this out a little bit here so that text comes in 35 kilometers from where her previous location was
and one thing that we have is law enforcement stating that they think we know she had to have gotten to a vehicle
to travel that distance in that amount of time we know she left with her phone there's
a couple of problematic things to the story here though her phone should have been dead when she left that Pub yet she
places a text that or shortly well she borrowed her friend's battery to continue communicating that night before
leaving right so she gives her friend her battery back and then leaves and then all of a sudden an hour and 50
minutes later she's able to text people because the text comes into Chris so during the course of that hour and 50
minutes she travels 35 kilometers or roughly 22 miles and is able to bring life back to her cell phone battery
this to me indicates that she got into a vehicle with somebody and maybe either borrowed their battery again this was a
very common phone in Germany back in 2000 in the early 2000s or gets into a vehicle with somebody and
and gets access to someone else's phone charger and so what would further indicate that she is
not stressed out or unaware of what may be about to happen is the investigators are saying at this
time this time of year in this location in Germany it's it's light Twilight is nearly all night long so
it's never particularly dark dark and he also says because of this being a very busy area a populist area and
all the things that are going on all the soccer games and all the football games
the matches that are going on there would have been a lot of people on that route that she would have walked
home and so he believes that she would have got into a vehicle would had to have
gotten to a vehicle willingly because we don't have there would have been witnesses that would have heard screams
or witnessed something that would indicate Foul Play I think that the investigator the lead
investigator Ralph osterman's probably right based off of kind of the chatty nature the happy
nature of that text that was sent but it's very bizarre and we've covered hundreds of cases now I don't know if
we've had a case where there's been so much communication once the person went missing
with the exception of Larry Gene Bell but that communication was quite different right right not it's not from
the victim it's from well it's from both victim and the captor but right but what
was clear in those cases what is what is not clear here in those cases it was very obvious it was stated
I've been abducted I've this guy's holding me here that's not the case now based off
of the science based off of the uh geographical locations of when these texts and phone calls are coming in
what police say is police police believe that she was being held in or near peterborn this just like she was saying
I'm in peterborn I'm in painter born I'm in paperborn and that the calls in the text to her family were
uh coming in from those locations but police concluded that she was being driven around or believed that she was
being driven around as these calls and texts were active driven around by her captor who they
believe is very familiar with the area this as simply a diversion as a diversion as a way to throw
throw the dogs off the scent [Music] [Music] all right we are back hope everybody's
having a great week cheers to you all and cheers to you Colonel cheers captain on October 4th of that same year a
hunter found a body this is 10 meters off of a very remote country road if you want to call it that this a remote area
near lichten now the body was really just bones and tattered clothing that were found lying
under or near a tree in a dense forest this area is called Totten grund which translates to death grounds or or the
death grounds it was 20 kilometers away from paderborn the killer according to law enforcement
must have known their way around this area was very familiar with this wooded area because it was
an obscure dirt road 10 kilometers off of an obscure dirt road that led to this body recovery site
and to get to the dirt road you had to get to these narrow Country Roads so it was a bit of a maze to get out to where
this location is and the investigators have been very public stating that they believed that
this site was selected on purpose so that the victim would not be found anytime soon
this turns out to be fruka who had been missing she's been missing now for four months
and then this body is found police do tell us that the killer left no clues at the scene
that they the the scene suggests that she was killed elsewhere the weather had erased all Footprints
and tire tracks The Remains were covered with sticks and leaves but there was Zero signs of violence at
the scene and on the body itself the bones at this point Captain were devoid of Flesh but the clothing was very
discernible so it was jeans a red shirt and white sneakers these are the exact items that fructo was wearing when she
was last seen right investigators ruled this a homicide however to be clear they have no idea
what caused the death what the cause of death was and that was then and still to
this day they do not know the cause of death the skeleton bore no signs of sharp or
blunt force trauma no stab or gunshot wounds the hyoid bone was intact there was no trace of drugs that was detected
in her hair or bones but of course some of that could or all that could leave her system by the time uh death occurred
that that is possible but it's more likely to find um but because of those tests that they
did do the hair samples and the bone drugs normally stay in the system longer in those items law enforcement said that
she was killed within days after her last call that's about as much as they could narrow it down or at least what
they're telling the public it looks to me with everything we've gone through here
captain that the only possibilities I see here is that haven't been ruled out would be
Suffocation or drowning that she was drowned and they did they specifically did say
that they ruled out an accident because there would be they believed that there would have been
trauma that they would see to the skeletal remains that was not present investigators scouring the scene also
found a small Silver Cross it looked like a necklace pendant and she did not own according to friends and family did
not own such a cross or necklace some have wondered could it have been left there by the killer or could it
just be an item that was out there by happenstance it's not it's not indicated on where in
relation to the remains this item was found right but if it's found within let's say a three feet radius I'm
guessing it wasn't this happenstance or on the tree that she was under or on her
herself or under the sticks or leaves or debris that was placed on top of her all
these things would indicate that somebody left that there purposely and the other thing of Interest here is
what is not found and this is pointed out by police that fruka's Nokia 6230 phone
was not recovered her fossil brand watch wristwatch was not recovered her black purse not found now what is not
highlighted by police and so we just don't know if it this occurred or not but her undergarments
we would assume she was wearing them they never state that they were not found but they never say that they are
found on the remains right and I think that maybe they're they're leaving that to
as some hold back information we already talked about Ralph Osterman who would end up leading a Sev a team of
seven Detectives this task force if you will was constructed for the sole purpose of
solving this one particular homicide note we are talking about areas of Germany that are rather low on the crime
rate in fact violent crime is very low murders and homicides very low uh typically
the most severe crime that they are investigating is attempted murder um that that they these these towns in
cities may not even experience a single homicide in some of the calendar years right
now they did look at Chris very hard as you pointed out it helps his case that other people were present and other
people had Communications with froka after she was abducted they also were able to clearly point out
that during large portions of when she was gone he has Alibis right he is where he says he was so he is not considered a
suspect in this case then nor now police track down everyone at the pub that night as we mentioned earlier they
ruled all of them out as well uh it's been reported that they spoke to everyone at the pub multiple times not
just once they also looked hard at kneels now I'm telling you I'm a little suspicious of this Niels guy
we'll get to some people that are more suspicious of here in a minute but they looked at him he was the guy that
fruka was texting with that night they had recently been introduced by Isabella and they have this platonic friendship
but who knows where it might have led Niels his best friend had recently taken his own life
and what we've been told is that froka was helping him through this tough time Niels was frequenting a cemetery where
his friend was buried some of the location information that they get about the calls and texts
not all but some do line up to areas that are somewhat near kneels and where he lived and where he would frequent
but we should point out that they did interrogate him multiple times they searched his vehicle and eventually by
Alibis they were able to rule him out as well well here becomes the issue though
is because I think either she told Niels I'm going to come visit you or she like we said hey come to this
Pub and he's like I can't because I have plans with my friend to play pool I'm guessing if they're they're longtime
friends that they both are grieving their friend taking his own life and so she might have thought oh well you know
I'll leave this Pub and I'll head that way I'll surprise him he might not even known that and that you know between
that Pub and Neil's location is probably where she was abducted and so it would make sense that some of
these locations would be similar because where she because of where she was abducted if
that makes any sense well the other thing too that's troubling to me is I keep circling back to the idea of what
the lead investigator said that he believes that she based on the distance from the pub to the first text an hour
and 50 minutes later that she would have had to have received some help in traveling that distance she would have
gotten to a vehicle and then on that route she couldn't have done that Kicking and
Screaming because somebody would have witnessed that and they don't have anybody to tell them that they heard or
saw anything like that that night so that first text it seems to be chummy seems to be happy
either she's in the company of someone who will become her Captor and she's unaware of it at that time
or that first text that family and Chris and myself all believe did come from her
from froka didn't come from her and somehow her captor was able to extract information from her that made it seem
personable like it did come from her right it's a it's a very puzzling case it's
it's one of the more puzzling cases that I believe that we have covered here well
it's also tough because all these communications these text messages these calls like we've said and like you have
um so a astutely made us aware of is these these calls weren't recorded so you can sit there and try to dissect
each communication but we don't even know how accurate those are because I think
the level of seriousness once you know that she's missing and and once you believe that she's possibly
being held captive the the serious level I think actually is a hindrance on you remembering the
details yeah you're you're an emotional state that you might not be able to provide
the best information now the lead investigator Osterman revealed that the initial investigation
focused heavily on five potential suspects now they due to German law and as you know we we see this often here in
the states as well they were prohibited from naming those five Suspects now no doubt my mind kneels and Chris
were probably two of these we know that they were looked at heavily and both cleared what we do know is a follow-up
statement from investigators saying that all five of those potential suspects were eventually cleared
uh in this case yeah I saw a report where they interviewed over 900 people yep that's a lot of people that that are
connected to her and her community well 100 of those 900 were internet contacts of hers
that were checked out and there were over 40 properties that were searched uh in this investigation as well now
here is where you know this there's nothing that's black and white about this case right 50
Shades of Gray let's go ahead and call it 10 000 Shades of Gray in this case but one thing that gets makes it a
little more tricky too is the potential of some really good suspects and and listen to this information here Captain
these two have been dubbed the Lonely Hearts killers and some people believe or believed that this case was
solved just not closed and for a time I believe that police seem to think so as well it's unclear
whether they still do or not but what happened was in April of 2016 a vehicle breaks down on a dirt road this
outside of the town of Osborne or both born sorry doing my best there this is 50 kilometers from peterborn
in the back seat of this vehicle is a 41 year old woman who is in medical in need
of medical attention big time whereas we say in the states bigly the car's driver was forced to call the
ambulance but only because neighbors came rushing out to try to help the vehicle that broke down
So This Woman's taken to the hospital where she would eventually recover from her injuries we
need to point out these injuries did not occur because the vehicle broke down whatever happened to this woman happened
to her before she was placed in that vehicle what the medical experts determined very quickly what this woman
was actually in a coma her name turns out to be Susan she she would later die in the hospital due to this head injury
right during the ambulance trip and at the hospital doctors and and EMTs noticed
that there were wounds to her entire body this included bruising signs of being bound toenails that had been
pulled out and Rotting Flesh on her tailbone area Susan and they've not I could not find
her full name she's referred to as Susan f would have had to have been lying in the
same position for weeks to have that Rotting Flesh in that area an autopsy showed that she had actually died from
blows to the head doctors called the police to report this as a homicide police went to the home of the vehicle
that broke down so there was a driver and a passenger and this injured woman in the vehicle
that broke down they go to the home the driver and passenger are there their names are Wilfred Wagner age 46 and his
ex-wife current roommate Angelica who's 47 right they were arrested and charged with
abusing the woman who later died now the man Wilfried refused to talk but Angelica immediately turned on Wilfried
and spilled the beans she tells police that the two of them took this woman captive
and when they realized she was going to die from a head injury which she said she sustained when she fell after a
beating they decided to drive her to her back to her own apartment they were going to leave her to die there
so that nobody would connect her death to these two people but of course with the car breaking down
their secret is discovered unfortunately this one woman turns out to just be the
tip of the iceberg because when they searched the home and this was this place was pigsty would be
polite cops found evidence that this couple had held other women captive they collected personal items and cell phones
from women who were held captive in this house the house and the News was referred it was
referred to here's one headline for you in the how sorry here's one news story for you in the house of the torture
couple police discovered hundreds of slips of paper on which Wilfried and Angelica had gotten their victims to
declare all of their injuries to have been self-inflicted those who have seen it described the crime scene as looking
like an indoor garbage dump right it was cold and damp the wallpaper was coming off the walls there was mold everywhere
it turned out that this couple had scores of victims and what they would do is they would lure the victims in using
personal ads referred to as lonely hearts ads with Wilfred advertising that he was seeking seeking
a companion to live with him and his air quotes sister Angelica remember she's technically his ex-wife now roommate
the women would meet him and get tricked into staying there I guess I I'm I wonder if
they were just taken they show up for a meeting and they're taking it captive immediately
given the description of the the home they would keep these this couple would keep these women
captive torture them and at least two victims died one Suzanne who we already talked about
and two a woman named Annika you know it does sound like there's like this is an interesting suspect but do we
have any connection between our victim in in these two no we have zero connection other than
the very uniqueness of their crimes and the weird uniqueness of what we speculate may have taken place with our
victim what I mean by that is these are two very unique situations in areas that don't have high murder
rates it's I don't know I I get where you're going Captain but it's hard for me to
believe I'm not saying they're connected 100 but there are similarities here that cannot
be denied so for one of the victims that was killed um what we learn from Angelica who again
she spills the beans she described how the couple tortured Annika one of the victims who died she
was 33 years old this took place in 2013. so this is inching our way toward when our victim fruka disappeared and
then was killed they after death they dismembered annika's body they burned it in an oven
and disposed of the ashes on a country road for months the victim had been beaten kicked Chained and once almost
drowned to death Annika had been tortured and abused for two months before dying she ended up
being chained face down in a bathtub and somehow died of head injuries when she tried to escape
but get this Wilfried texted annika's mother using annika's mobile phone after he had killed her to say that she
moved to Amsterdam pretending to be her hey Mom I'm in good health I've moved to Amsterdam
the Lonely Hearts case was a huge case in Germany uh Wilfried and Angelica's house became known as the hockster House
of Horrors the prosecution saying that they were aware of at least eight victims but
could not determine how many victims it had actually fell victim to these two I have a lot of the information on the
different torture that they dealt out I don't know that we need to go through and linger too long on those
on those facts of the of this horrible case it's it's there for you if you want to to find that information for yourself
but will freed had been torturing and abusing people since 1995. so he was active at the time when our
victim goes missing and again their modus operandi with their ruse of getting people to come and
meet them for a potential place to live or companionship does not fit with anything that we suspect was going on
with froka but could they have changed their ruse she was a helpful person and there's a woman present that makes
it you see a couple you're it feels less threatening than when you see a single male
what if they pulled a Ted Bundy on her we know she was a helpful person we know she was into nursing we know she took
care of the disabled at that facility for over a year where she did an internship
what if somebody pulled a Ted Bundy broke fake broken arm fake broken leg deal on her
so what I think is there is no direct connection what there is is similarities in what I
think may have happened and took place with froka leaves and what we do know about these Lonely Hearts killers
thankfully they were caught they were apprehended uh unfortunately Angelica was sentenced to only 13 years in prison
uh Wilfried he gets sent off to a psychiatric Psychiatric Hospital sentenced to 11 years and that was all
all uh ruse bamboozlement itself because once there the doc the doctors determine
that this guy is not uh in need of medical attention he's in need of imprisonment
yeah very interesting suspects it was also there's rumors that she had a stalker but what information do we have
on that yeah I feel like every there's a rumor that every woman walking the planet has
a stalker the so well let's face it most guys are creeps just driving around creeping out people creepy people uh
this is difficult to report on here Captain because there's not a whole lot of information so I wonder how much of
this is just pure speculation but where this thought this angle for this case comes is from a German armchair sleuth
website called all mystery and it was a neighbor of frucas who told of a weird feeling that she got that
that she believed she was being stalked and therefore maybe her neighbor fruka was being stalked as well
um look it here's here's what gives a little bit of weight to this idea for me is that if she was being watched or
followed or stalked it would be very easy for that individual to be at that Pub that night there's a lot of people
there it's Rowdy people are probably not paying super attention to their surroundings who's around we're all
drinking we're having a good time we're watching football so and there would have been a lot of
people on the streets that night as we have heard from law enforcement somebody could have easily followed her on foot
somebody familiar with her could have offered her a ride it's a very puzzling and troubling case
I wonder if the Lonely Hearts killers were involved why that information would be
left out I I it's hard for me to sit here in a garage in Ohio and sift through all of the information
that came out because we do know that one of the Lonely Hearts Killers did talk to police and did go into detailed
information about some of their crimes now do I sit here believing that she would have gone into detailed
information about all of their crimes no we know that one thing that Killers one
trait that most Killers share they're Liars yep so it it's you sit here and you you you
try to you try to sort this thing out and really at the end of the day all that you can figure out is that
scientifically the the evidence states that that that device that phone her phone was being
moved around at the time that she's communicating with friends and family and at that time it seems to be that law
enforcement family and friends all agree that she was taken captive at some point
during that week and was being held captive during most if not all of that communication
it's very bizarre that she would be being moved around like that I wondered this too Captain going into
this I know that here in the United States we have an issue with a spike in human trafficking in the
areas near and around the Super Bowl right hosting City and well not just that but also any any
time there's a large event yeah you know I'm sure if you look up um like Comic-Con or you look up some of
these like the Arnold Classic well even Even This is Gonna this is disturbing as
hell even our uh political parties right you have an uptick in um that type those types of crimes some
of them we're also talking about you know lesser crimes like sex work and things of that nature but there is an
uptick in those areas at those times and human trafficking and I couldn't help but wonder if
the World Cup being held in this area could have anything to do with with a certain element being there and then not
there I bet I bet that uptick is way bigger for the World Cup than it is for the Super Bowl because you have
all these people coming from all these other countries there is last I could find there was a
30 000 Euros reward for information in this case uh you have a family that that is left with
not just all kinds of hurt and heartache but the the amount of questions they must have
you know we review so many cases that are so sad and heartbreaking of people that disappear they vanish
Into Thin Air and you're left with all kinds of questions here in this situation
yes there was the remains that were recovered there was a funeral service a very nice
beautiful funeral service but at the end of the day this family is left with a whole different set
of Haunting questions than those that lose a loved one that just disappear [Music]
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On June 20th of 2006 Frauke Liebs, a 21 year old nursing student disappeared under very strange and mysterious circumstances. She was met with foul play sometime around or after midnight. That night she was out with friends watching a FIFA World Cup match at a pub. Frauke planned to walk home. After leaving the pub there have been no confirmed sightings of her since. But she did text and call her roommate several times after her disappearance. This is one of Germany’s most intriguing open cases. This week Nic and the Captain also discuss The Lonely Hearts Killers.

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Brief Summary

Fruka Leaves' disappearance and murder reveal a complex investigation with mysterious communications and potential suspects, including the Lonely Hearts killers.

Key points

Mysterious Phone Calls. Fruka's friends receive strange phone calls after she goes missing, raising alarms.
Cryptic Messages. Fruka's mother suspects her daughter is sending coded messages during her calls.
Desperate Communication. Fruka's last call reveals her fear and desperation, hinting at her dire situation.
Discovery of Fruka's Remains. A hunter finds remains in a remote area, leading to a homicide investigation.
Investigation Uncovers Torture. Police discover evidence of multiple victims in a couple's home, revealing a pattern of abuse.
Wilfried's Deception. Wilfried texted Annika's mother after committing murder, pretending she was alive.

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