The Hi-Fi Murders /// Part 2 /// 403 | Forensic Files

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[Music] foreign [Music] so we have three individuals in custody which detectives believe may have been
involved in the Hi-Fi store robbery and murders those three men are Dale Pierre William Andrews and Keith Roberts all
living at the nearby Hill Air Force Base yeah two of them they apprehended right and then one of
them turned themselves in according to the papers Keith Roberts turned himself in we don't know the details of that
sometimes they issue an official statement looking for someone and then that person turns themselves in because
they feel like they have no other recourse but that's what the paper State regardless of how it all came about it's
time to get some more evidence in addition to what they currently have which is witness statements and don't
forget about the personal items of the victims that belong to the victims that were found in a dumpster at the barracks
where the men live to be clear though just because those items were found in that dumpster
does not directly tie any three of these men to the crime itself yeah but I wonder at the scene do we have any
fingerprints we should have DNA we know that there was a rape that took place correct so it's it's 1974.
who knows if they collected DNA or not at the time but to further that we do have and and I
was going to kind of save this for later in the game but there is a statement from one of the victims that the
perpetrators of this robbery were wearing gloves at the time right but what we will have and this is going
to be significant we have a search warrant that is issued for the barracks where all three of the
men lived there police found flyers for the Hi-Fi shop you know like sale flyers
and advertisements for merchandise at the store but what is truly going to seal the deal
when it came to bringing up actual murder charges and robbery charges against these guys it was during this
search that law enforcement found a rental contract for a unit at a local storage facility
it's my understanding that not only is this found in their possession but at least one of the men signed the actual
contract so the storage unit was being rented by them one this unit was pretty close to the Hi-Fi store so what this is
going to be here is going to be another quick phone call get another search warrant but this time for the storage
unit so following the issuance of said warrant a boatload or should I say two van loads
amount of stereo equipment was located inside this storage unit very soon later using the serial numbers on the
merchandise it was confirmed that all of it came from the store and was stolen on
the night of the murders also recovered from the storage unit was a half empty bottle of Drano yeah that's
horrifying because we know the details with the collection of this evidence these young men were charged with murder
and aggravated robbery some interesting things here Captain some of the reports say that the police
believe that more individuals were involved in the robbery slash theft of these items
but these three men all of them Airmen in the Air Force living at the nearby Hill Air Base were
the only persons ever arrested and ever charged in this case yeah it's I mean it's confusing one
that these individuals would sign up to Serve and Protect our freedoms and then they'd Go off into
a crime like this and commit murders like this and you have eyewitnesses that place two
vehicles at the scene so is it possible that police believe that these crimes happen and maybe just
two men are responsible for the attacks and the murders why there's another set of guys that were also stealing stuff
yeah and I think we'll we'll tear through that as we go along here because that's what this second half will be is
really a deep dive into the details of the crime itself who did what and possibly even why and you reference you
know why these guys would sign up for to protect our freedoms of this great country
and then carry out these horrific murders and I'm not saying that this in fact applies here I don't know it to be
the case one way or another so I want to please do not hear what I'm not saying but what right but one thing you know
and I get I get these great emails from so many great people out there and they say Nick why are you constantly
referencing old cases that you guys have covered or other cases that you have some knowledge of and it's for the
simple fact that detectives FBI investigating agencies one thing that they do is they rely on their
experiences and past studies from Criminal behavior and they apply it to their current investigations so that's
why we constantly do that here in the garage it's a true crime discussion we're talking True Crime my comment on
why these guys would sign up to protect us and then they care carried out these crimes again I don't know it to be the
case here but one thing I know about a lot of older cases especially from the 60s and 70s when you see young
individuals young men that are 18 19 20 years old and they're committing these terrible crimes and
they were in the army or the Navy and people were going how did the Army not catch this guy you know that he's some
right killing lunatic how did they let this guy sign up for the Navy or for the Army I found in a lot of cases
that you could go before a judge when you were 17 years old and you committed some minor offense and part of your
defense to get a a lesser sentence or to get a light slap on the wrist was to say
my intentions are right after high school I'm signing up for the Army I'm signing up for the Navy it's it's no
question that everybody receives discipline by going and signing up for and serving right you you become more
mature wiser and disciplined and a lot of times judges see that as a way of you know we are or should be first and
foremost in the position of wanting to rehabilitate offenders that can be rehabilitated and so I don't mind that
method so much I don't know that it happened here but it brings up the good question of did it I think more
important is and I had a little hard time figuring this out why the higher number most Reports say that police at
some point thought maybe five or even six people total were believed to have been involved in
the commission of these crimes well think about you get two Vans you have drivers in each van and then you have
two individuals taking stuff that would be a total of six right and I think a lot of this stems from another
story that came out that it is believed that involved the three individuals that
are currently in custody in this Hi-Fi case that they along with three other males
went into a different stereo shop in another town near closing time and the owner says he believed
the six of these men were behaving strangely and I don't know if there was a confrontation but there was no robbery
there was no attack that went down right and so my thought is maybe that this story really just kind of went with
police going well think about it too it's 1974 the size of stereo equipment is much different in 74
than it is today it's huge and very likely they used both of those vans that were seen at the scene to transport all
of this stereo equipment that they had to hot they had to rent a storage facility to store it there
this was like 24 to 25 000 worth of stereo equipment yeah well maybe when they went to this other
location if they did and depending on how this store owner reacted or how many employers
how many employees were there at the time it might have deterred them from trying to commit the crime that night
the thing that I think is troubling to say for certain if there were five or six individuals involved the three that
they have in custody it's my understanding that none of them confessed to anything they had to take
them to trial and try each one of these individuals and see if they can convict them so it's not like a situation where
we have people rolling over on one another and turning in other people to to lessen their sentence let's say well I
think I I do believe that the the driver turned on the other two a little bit but because he wasn't
inside the building I don't think there was much a ton of evidence that he could give
them well if he never entered the building other than the two offenders telling him what they did he would have
no information to offer up as to what happened inside the building or specifically in that basement anyway
right but what we do know this is really interesting there was some further findings here in this case and these are
very specific so it was eventually learned that Pierre and Andrews that they got the idea of making the hostage
drink Drano from a scene in a movie the movie was called magnum force and it was
the sequel to the movie Dirty Harry the movie Dirty Harry has its own ties to True Crime as many people out there know
as the psychopathic killer and the movie known as Scorpio well the movie Drew upon the real-life
case of the Zodiac Killer in some of the creation of ideas for that movie is that
the go ahead Punk make my day is that the one I I believe it is yes okay well if anybody wants to cast me in
a role they can just go to True Crime garage.com and email me in the first so this would be the first magnaforce was
the first of several sequels the movie Magnum Force there is a scene where a woman is forced to drink Drano and in
that scene she immediately dies so Pierre and Andrews apparently thought that it would be a
good way to kill any of their likely hostages it would be quick it would be silent it
would be a good method if they had to kill somebody in the commission of this robbery
however magnum force is a movie and not real life Drano for those that do not know is an
industrial strength drain cleaner used primarily for unclogging drains when the victims were forced to drink
this their mouths and throat began to burn very very badly almost instantly the victims therefore screamed in pain
this made the assailants attempt to tape the hostage's mouths shut to silence the
victims however this again because of the Drano would not work either this is because the Drano almost immediately
caused blistering and blisters to form in the mouths and the throats of the victims their lips and skin around their
mouths began to peel off but they but these guys didn't bring the Drano with them that's another argument
why is it an argument because because if they brought it with them that would show premeditation
correct Okay so when when all of this is occurring not only do we have like skin that's
peeling off but we also have pus that's oozing from the blisters and all of this
then makes it impossible for the assailants to tape the victim's mouths shut or to silence them in this manner
again like I said it looks like they didn't roll on one another or anyone else the question then becomes if there
was anyone else involved did the police did they never discover the identity of these people never know the names or did
they was it a situation where they had an idea of who but couldn't get the evidence to match
it heck it's difficult to say if Keith Roberts was even offered a deal to talk or testify against anyone specifically
Andrews and Pierre because that's who might be willing to deal who you you know law enforcement
might be willing to deal with out of the three in custody now in regards to two of the three
arrested I do know from newspaper reports that William Andrews said he was seeking a public defender
and Pierre said he already had counsel because he had been charged with auto theft a few months earlier
and because of that charge he already had an attorney fighting for him in that charge
so let's get to the trial here captain jury selection began in the fall of 1974 in Farmington
notice we didn't say Ogden right and Farmington they moved the trial from Ogden because of all of the publicity
this would end up being one of the fastest turnarounds I can recall but you have to keep in mind back then when you
had a really horrible crime that really just devastates everyone right they move faster they move a little bit
faster so which I think maybe we could learn something from I think that's something that we could do better
and then the justice system now I think both ways you know what I mean like I feel like
back then specifically this case moved along a little too fast for my liking okay but I also see some cases nowadays
that seem to drag on way too long for my liking right okay so when you have a really horrible crime
you know we said devastates everyone this crime Captain to say that this devastated Ogden is a huge huge
understatement this was a shock to everyone of course on the local level at the state level and nationally
and when this happens we're talking about things how they may have worked in 1974 they
are ready to go to trial as soon as the prosecutor says we've built a case and we're ready to proceed
it also helps from a discovery and evidentiary standpoint there was only one event right there was
only one event here that encompasses everything all in contrast to something like the Golden
State killer who's also known as ears or ons the original Night Stalker case there are so
many different events that when Joseph James D'Angelo was arrested back in April of 2018
here we are two years later and still waiting on the trial and that's what I mean it's it's a bit
of a pisser right when you have a case like that when you have this old dude who will not admit to anything that he
did and he's one of the worst people ever to walk this planet it's it's hard to to call him a person
yeah but if he is truly absolute animal guilty of all the things he's being accused of
the real kick in the nuts here for the public is this guy won't admit to anything he doesn't want to
he clearly doesn't want to be convicted of anything he's not like BTK where BTK comes out and he's almost proud of his
killings and says this is what I did and this is how I did it no this guy he says
sit down let me tell you a story this guy is fully ready to die and not give his victims that are still alive many of
his victims that are still alive that little piece of some kind of closure oh he's a real piece of [ __ ] now
I will say in the defense of the court system out there in California that I do believe that covid-19 has affected
the start date for that trial because I remember reading in January of 2020. that the judge was saying
look defense team for D'Angelo you've you've dragged this thing out long enough we're going to bring this to
trial and I think he put a date on on the end of April 2020 and of course we know the the whole world changed between
January and April of this year yeah it's been the worse here I think I've been alive
yeah I mean it's been a very tough year number one I heard a joke the the other day which I I found to be one kind of
funny but also kind of smart that said the the two the two smartest Americans in the world left the world
it took off into outer space but so I guess if you really want to compare this to to a more modern day case I
would compare it to the Cheshire murders which we covered back in Halloween of 2017 Up episodes 154
155. it was a home invasion and the murders took place in June of 2007 and the trials didn't go down until one was
in September of 2010 and the other was the following year in September of 2011. that was the case where the the husband
was in the basement he was he was asleep on the couch they knocked him out tied them up in the basement it's weird
because that case mirrors the Hi-Fi murders case quite a bit when you think about it right because you had the dad
in this situation the high five murders get loose and and try to get to help yeah and both of them
you have the perpetrators from from what we can what we can deduce from both of these crimes is it appears that both
sets of perpetrators understood that there were going to be people inside that won the residents one inside the
shop that they were going to have to control and do something with or to while they robbed the joint so that for
me is very similar cases and of course that case they were seeking capital punishment those were capital punishment
trials and that's what we would see in the Hi-Fi murders as well so this is going to be a joint trial which I'm not
a I'm not a real big fan of I I really feel like I hate them I really feel like everybody should be tried kind of
individually because I think that there are the there are some people that are more guilty than others in the
commission of some of these crimes especially when we're talking about murders especially when we're talking
about the death penalty cases and I almost feel like some of the Lesser guilty maybe they are guilty but
the Lesser guilty people get lumped in with the more guilty and that doesn't seem to be fair to this garage idiot
well and because in this case we have multiple crimes right we have theft we have we have taking over the building so
we have hostages we have again we have three individuals not all three are involved in all those we have the
rape and then we have the attempted murders and the murders right and you have to
separate who did what and when and then and how responsible is each person for what they did themselves or
what they were a part of you know just being there right so from my understanding here Captain we
have again a joint trial all three Pierre Andrews and Roberts are charged with first degree murder and robbery and
the trial began on October 15 1974. during the trial it was revealed that Pierre and Andrews had robbed the store
with the intention of killing anyone they came across Survivor Oren Walker was the star Witness
for the prosecution Oren took the stand and told the jury how Pierre and Andrews Pierre actively
was determined to kill everyone in the store his testimony was by far and away the most damning to all of the
defendants Pierre and Andrews especially here we have a guy that suffered and somehow survived an attack that he can
give first-hand knowledge of and recount the murders of three and injuries and how they happened to himself and
Courtney Nisbet well and the torture that took place yeah the thing here captain that is going to be a real real
bad problem for Pierre and Andrews one is the fact that that we have the testimony from Oren that Michelle begged
and begged and begged for her life that she pled pleaded with them not to kill her this is after she was brutally raped
we also have the fact that all said all of the victims that are tied up saying hey just take anything you want but
don't kill us please don't kill us you can take anything you want so what what this is pointing out we are not talking
about a robbery where any one of the victims is going that's giving any type of resistance at
all right none of these victims are making anything more difficult for these robbers they're compliant it's like
you've said in many cases if the intent was just to steal this stereo equipment you had no resistance so obviously that
would have done that that wasn't your intent because you murdered these individuals and tortured these
individuals and it's reminiscent of what we talked about a few weeks ago right with Paul John Knowles an individual who
was robbing people stealing their vehicles sometimes stealing their identities taking their money their
personal possessions it appears that very few of his murder victims and it's believed that he killed
a lot of people very few of them even knew who he was meaning he could have just taken their items and left but he
decided that he had to kill them [Music] [Music] and welcome back cheers mates cheers to
you Captain so before the break we were talking about the problems the damning testimony coming from Oren Walker
telling everybody hey this is what went down during the commission of these crimes this is how these people were
killed and by whom we also have further testimony from Warren that we didn't get to and this is going to be
very troubling especially for Pierre because Oren is on the stand and he's saying
look Pierre returned to me twice to make sure that I was dead right and when he still Found Me Alive the
first time he strangled me with a cord then he leaves again and then the next time he returns with a flashlight
to assist him in taking my pulse to see if I have a pulse and when he discovers that I do have one
I'm still alive Pierre once again tries his best to end My Life by jamming a pen
into my ear and kicking it and stomping on it that it broke through and we know that
it went through into Oren's throat in my mind captain no doubt Pierre thought that the pen busted through into the
brain right and it was only then that he thought the deed was done and did not feel the need anymore to
check the man for a pulse yeah so it was really the testimony of the Survivor of this this
victim that is going to help seal the deal here now due to his amnesia suffered from the many many injuries
that were part of the commission of these murders and robbery Byron Courtney Nesbitt was unable to testify he's got
you know he he does have memories of the crimes but during the trial itself he was unable to testify yeah just one
month after the start of the trial this is on November 16th Pierre and Andrews were convicted of all charges
and Roberts III man was convicted of only robbery four days later Pierre and Andrews were
sentenced to death let's just go back to that for a minute because the driver what they were able to find out is that
yes he drove the vehicle there but he never went inside so he not only did he not witness what happened
so he wouldn't have been able to stop it because he didn't witness it but I don't
think they even told him what they did when they left so he didn't even have knowledge of of those crimes well and
according to our two surviving victims what their statements have always been is they believe that the majority or all
of the merchandise that was stolen from the store was removed before anybody was killed
right so Roberts was sentenced to Five Years to Life five years to life imprisonment
for his his involvement in these crimes the other thing here that I want to point
out Captain is a really tricky detail on all of this the men that committed these crimes were
they're not idiots right these are these are relatively intelligent men their acts in in criminal behavior is is
disgusting but one thing that I've always had trouble with this especially with Pierre with
this individual Pierre well they're capable of being in the Air Force they broke into the Hi-Fi shop shortly before
it closed we you didn't have to have any victims is what I keep returning to yeah you
could have they're they're relatively intelligent individuals they could have they could
have easily anyone you know they're even us two garage idiots could go you know what it might be better for us to break
into the stereo store well hold on after they close well hold on a second I'm looking around looking around the garage
you're like we could use a new stereo just saying but but no no but I I think it's almost like Pierre used this
as like I can get some people to come along with me to help me steal some stereo equipment
but that's not what I'm doing this for I'm actually doing it because I want to kill somebody I'm actually doing it
because I want to rape somebody to me it feels like a double whammy situation you
know the uh I think he wanted to do more than just Rob the place like you said right now
the Hi-Fi murders are still regarded as one of the worst criminal acts ever committed in the state of Utah the FBI
Academy at Quantico actually teaches trainees about the case specifically the story of
the detective in front of the crowd removing pieces of articles that you know the the purses
the wallet personal items from the victim removing those in front of the crowd in 1982 a book by Gary Kinder
titled victim the other side of murder was released originally Kinder was going to write a an In Cold Blood style book
that would focus on Dale Selby Pierre the murderer Kinder exchanged over 200 letters with
the convicted killer and even visited him several times at the Utah State Prison Pierre turned on Kinder in 1980
when Kinder refused to sign over 10 percent of the book's proceeds to Pierre looks like Pierre thought he could
capitalize on the murders even from behind Prison Walls this prompted kinder to change directions completely and
focus on the victim on one of the victims Courtney Nesbitt and the effect the HiFi murders had on him and his
family Kinder set up a trust for Courtney based on a percentage of the book and film
rights and the case became the basis for the 1991 CBS TV movie titled aftermath a
test of love one they're going to talk about the whole Drano situation as well whether they brought it or not and what
I believe that Pierre claims is that when he's using the restroom he saw the Drano there and that's when he decided
to make the victims drink the drain now yeah so I couldn't find what the original trial
defense was set up what what their whole story was right but what I could find was what we have is a later Appeals
proceeding or appeals hearing I don't know the exact terminology for it basically what we have is Pierre is
nearing the execution date he was sentenced to death and they're going to have a hearing to
give the opportunity of maybe we can commute this to a life sentence at which Pierre speaks and he says the
Drano I went to use the restroom during the robbery I saw the Drano there I put two and two together and thought I would
use it on the victims the problem you have with that is we do know at the original
trial Oren Walker's testimony was that at some point after everybody was tied up one of
the men he heard one of the men say to the other man to go get something from the van outside right and that is when
one of the men returned to the basement with this liquid all of a sudden that they were supposed to be drinking
then we have this other manner that I think we should get to before we wrap things up here too yeah but can we just
stay on that for just one second I believe even if you know from what we've seen and what
we've talked to lawyers and stuff you're at this scene and you decide that you're going to make them drink this
liquid this poison just the thought that it you know to pour it into cups or however you're
going to have them drink it or if they're gonna this is enough time to to constitute as
premeditation so I it doesn't matter to me if you brought it with you or you didn't
like you know to argue those little details to try to get it reduced to life a life
sentence doesn't make a lot of sense to me well and it would be quite the coincidence to have a completely
different person saying I saw two of the perpetrators watching Magnum Force where this woman is forced to
drink some kind of liquid or Drano in the movie and she dies immediately and I hear them discussing
the the scene in the movie right that's that's quite the coincidence now could it have gone down exactly as Pierre said
maybe who knows we weren't there we don't know for certain and Aura never says specifically that he heard the one
man say to the other go get the Drano from the van or go get blah blah blah from the van he doesn't specify what it
is that he hears the man asked to go get from the drain or from the van but regardless like you said Captain there
is a certain level of premeditation in either scenario if Pierre wants to diminish it to maybe
get him a chance at life imprisonment instead of the death penalty I mean I can I can understand pulling
out all stops and and attempting anything during that hearing but the other thing we should discuss too is
that there was another murder okay this took place on October 5th 1973. police responded to a homicide this is
at the apartment of Air Force Sergeant Edward Jefferson who was stationed at the Hill Air Force
Base just south of Ogden It is believed that Jefferson was murdered in his sleep
he was found on his couch wearing a set of thermal underwear and his hands were still folded across his chest
within days police had a possible suspect but they only knew this man as Dale from the West Indies
as they continue to interview persons close to the victim they figured out that Dale from the West Indies was
likely 20 year old Airman Dale Pierre from witness statements here is the theory that they piece together
less than a week before the murder several people friends if you will were at Sergeant Jefferson's apartment
hanging out Jefferson's key ring with the keys to his vehicle and apartment turn up missing
everyone there helps Jefferson to search the apartment for the keys but they never turn up
the next day Dale Pierre returned to the apartment and while he's there He suggests hey let's search the apartment
again to look for the keys this time the keys magically turn up Jefferson was very suspicious and did a
little investigation of his own Jefferson learned that Pierre took his keys to the Air Force base's locksmith
and using a fake name Curtis Alexander he had duplicates made of the keys Jefferson confronted Pierre about this
two days later Jefferson is found dead on his couch in his own living room the killer this is what police could piece
together the killer had placed a pillow over Jefferson's face and drove a bayonet
through his face oh my God killing him instantly with the first blow however that was not enough to feed the Rage of
the Killer because the killer drove the bayonet through Jefferson's face repeatedly the
blade went all the way through his brain and the hilt of the weapon fractured his
skull the detectives believed that the killer enjoyed committing this murder and that
is why he drove the bayonet through this man's face over and over again police were certain that Dale Pierre was
Sergeant Jefferson's killer but they never had enough evidence to bring him to trial or to make an official arrest
well those that's one of those cases you know hindsight you're going to go well maybe the case doesn't get solved and
maybe we can't put all the pieces together but now that we have him connected with these
horrible murders you kind of go well that case is kind of solved then you kind of wonder what else
if you know after you know about the Hi-Fi murders what else is this guy capable of and it doesn't seem like
they're capable of anything yeah there's any limits to that now Dale Selby Pierre
some of the Articles and stories you find about this guy there are variations of his name and that is because once he
was in prison Pierre changed his name more than 20 times in fact one report I saw said 27 times
he says that this is because he was trying to spare his family embarrassment and hostility from the community
now Dale Selby Pierre was executed on August 28 1987. he was the first person in the state of
Utah to be executed by way of lethal injection there was a brilliant article by Jerry
Spangler and the Desiree news and these executions are very hard to report on because there is such a mixed
bag of emotions and opinions on the death penalty itself and rightfully so parts of the article read
calmly Dale Selby Pierre blinked his eyes and licked his lips he took deep breaths
his eyes fixed on the bright lights above his head he wiggled his toes and muttered a quiet prayer as the toxic
chemicals dripped relentlessly into his bloodstream one of Utah's most notorious
Killers calmly closed his eyes and slipped quietly into death there was no anger no protest no
violence from him Selby's death was in marked contrast to the hours-long torture slangs of
three people in the basement of an Ogden stereo shop there was no protest from Selby now I'm
saying Selby because in this article that's the name that they are using when he changed his name Captain most the
time he was his birth name from my understanding is Dale Selby Pierre when he changed his name he really just
moved around those three three names yeah so there was no pre protest from Pierre
but outside there were some 200 demonstrators many of them opponents of the death penalty but some of them very
much for the death penalty you have to keep in mind though too there were some people who are pro-death penalty for
very specific situations and not many others I think likely that could have been the case here
with several in the crowd that were all for it the death penalty opponents saying songs
like we shall overcome an amazing grace while probe death penalty demonstrators saying poor Selby poor son of a gun he's
gonna die one man wore pencils on his head going into his ears of like a variation of the
fake Arrow trick right he carried a can of Drano yeah it was intended to make the point
representing an eye for an eye Dale Selby Pierre was pronounced dead shortly after 1am he was 34 years old
Pierre requested that the 29 and his commissary account be left to his friend William Andrews
Dale Selby Pierre was the first person executed in the state of Utah since Utah executed Gary Gilmore
on January 17 1977. so roughly 10 years between these two executions oddly enough Captain one could say that
Gary Gilmore was executed for indiscriminate felony murder as well he too committed armed robbery and both
times killed the person working at the establishments that he robbed right Gilmore chose the firing squad method
and when asked on the morning of January 17 1977 if he had any last words he simply replied let's do it William
Andrews was executed by the state of Utah using lethal injection on July 30th 1992. his last meal was a
banana split that he shared with his sister and niece during their final visit at the execution
and just before Anders did not discuss the three murders he was sentenced to die for and a final statement he said
thank you to those who tried so hard to keep me alive I hope this was very controversial I mean they're trying to
get his death sentence reduced to life for a while yes so going into that Andrew's always stuck to his story that
he was with Pierre that he did help take each victim captive and robbed the store
but he did not physically buy his own hand kill any of the three murder victims whether you agree with that or
not but we stated from the beginning of the trials was this is one of the problems I have and I think you have
with trying trying people together yeah but then on top of that you I mean you have all kinds of other issues with this
I mean Oren it doesn't sound like he's 100 on who did what I mean keep in mind he's
in a lot of pain he's tied up he's he's face down on a basement floor but it seems like he is of the belief
too that Pierre is the one that was responsible for all of the murders and most of the actual physical torture
and then later we have Courtney Nesbitt who survived but could not testify because of amnesia
what he does seem to remember or believes that he remembers according to the book victim
is he says that he remembers hearing the two men arguing either upstairs or in another part of the basement over what
to do with the victims and that it was decided that they were going to kill them but Andrews is saying I can't do it
to which Pierre then says I'll take care of it give me 30 minutes but again that's that's the troubling thing here
where is the line because obviously if that is exactly what took place Andrews didn't stop Pierre from going in the
other room and attempting to kill five people yeah so in that then you helped make the
decision right and you decided to bring guns to the scene you may have helped to
decide to bring Drano to the scene there's a whole long list of of offenses here
now in his final statement as said he said thank you to those who tried so hard to keep me alive you pointed out
yes because this was controversial at the time still is controversial I hope they continue to fight for Equal justice
After I'm Gone tell my family goodbye and I love them a prison official asked him
this has been a long haul for you hasn't it to which Andrews replied yes I'm actually very tired yeah it's very uh
very tragic case Keith Roberts who was just 19 at the time of the murders he was the getaway driver and it was in
fact determined at the trial that he had no role in nor knowledge of the murders
he was convicted of two counts of aggravated robbery Roberts was paroled in May of 1987 after
nearly 13 years in prison I have seen some different reports out there but because I cannot verify for certain I'll
report what seems to be the general consensus of reporting and that is that Keith Roberts moved to the state of
Oklahoma after his parole it does not appear that he got into any further trouble with the law and it does look
like he passed away back in 1992. Oren Walker the star witness at the trial of the men convicted for the Hi-Fi
murders and robbery passed away in February of 2000 at the age of 69 and then 28 years after the brutal Hi-Fi
murders that shocked Utah Byron Courtney Nesbitt one of only two survivors in the
1974 torture murder Rampage died at the young age of 44. Courtney died in Seattle after a long
and undisclosed illness Courtney was shot in the head and left for dead during the commission of those
crimes he suffered throughout his life from disabilities from being tortured in the stereo shop
his father Dr Byron Nesbitt declined for comment only saying this is the end of the Hi-Fi story I want this to be the
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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the brutal Hi-Fi murders, the suspects involved, and the trial's outcome.

Key points

Introducing the Case. The hosts introduce the episode and the beer of the week, setting a casual tone.
Three Suspects in Custody. Detectives believe three individuals may have been involved in a robbery and murders.
Evidence Found in a Dumpster. Personal items of the victims were found in a dumpster at the barracks of the suspects.
Drano as a Weapon. The suspects planned to use Drano as a method to kill hostages, inspired by a movie.
Trial Begins. The trial for the suspects begins in the fall of 1974, moved due to publicity.
The Damning Testimony of Oren Walker. Oren Walker's testimony revealed the brutal nature of the crimes committed by Pierre and Andrews.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

It's horrifying because we know the details with the collection of this evidence.

Discussing the evidence found

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Tension

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