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crime candy candy candy [Music] Cy well obviously Captain we cannot tell the story of each and every individual
victim in this case because as we will learn there will just be too many of them now a list of all of the names of
the known victims of Dean Coral is available on his Wikipedia page but here are some of the stories of known victims
the first victim may have been Jeffrey Allen Conan age 18 a student from Houston
Jeffrey hitchhiked from Austin to Houston with the friend who last saw him getting out of a car at Voss Road around
6:00 p.m. this is on September 1st 1970 his body was later found at High Island according to record neither
Brooks nor Henley participated in this murder and then there's this report from Wayne Henley that states one day he and
coral were out in the parked in front of a grocery store when a boy came along on
his bike and coral called the kid over and told him he found some empty Coke bottles while cleaning out his van he
would give them to the kid just to get rid of them and the boy could take them into the grocery store and get the
deposit and keep it do you want to explain to the listeners what this means cuz there's some listeners that are out
there scratching their heads right now going why would this boy want empty soda bottles from this strange man well
because when you turn them back in you there's a deposit amount so you get I think a nickel for each bottle that
you'd return yeah and it might have been more back then or or or at least the nickel was at least worth more back then
and the idea being that the the soda companies had to reuse these bottles so it was an enticing way to get the people
to return the bottles to be reused and probably get you to buy something some more soda because you go to the grocery
store and then they're handing you money right so after the Boy comes out of the
store Coral calls him back over and he says hey look not only did I give you those bottles for free and you just got
money for them but come to think of it I found a lot of bottles in my garage when
I was cleaning it out and hey you could put your bike in the back of the van and
you could ride home with me and get these empty bottles and sell them and keep the money well that kid got into
the van with coral and Henley and coral took him home the boy's name was James drema he's age 14 later that evening
James called his father Douglas drema yeah he calls his father cuz he's going to ask him hey is it okay if I spend the
night at this party that's happening across on the other side of town his father says no and he wanted the boy to
be home in 20 minutes well he never saw James alive Again David Brooks later said that he bought James a pizza and
hung out with him for about 45 minutes before quote Dean went to work on him Dean Coral tortured raped and strangled
the boy well we should also talk about Frank aguire he's a he was a local teen Frank finished his shift at the Long
John Silvers restaurant and told his mother that he would be home by 10: p.m. that night now he never showed and he
was never seen again this is because Brooks and Henley who were acquainted with Frank called him over to their van
asking if he wanted to go smoke a joint with them at their friend Dean Coral's Place mhm so he followed them there in
his vehicle and once in the apartment was bound gagged raped and murdered well just think about how sick and twisted
the minds of Brooks and Henley are right right because they've seen what Dean can do
and to invite your friend over that you know to be like hey come smoke some pot with us you are you're the bait one
thing that I wondered about too regarding this story specifically because so many of these stories people
end up getting into the van or somehow arriving over at Dean's Coral's apartment to go to a quote unquote party
mhm but this story specifically mentions that this boy Frank aguire drove his vehicle to the apartment now we can
assume or you know at least at least think that maybe Frank aguar is one of the bodies
that would be found in that boat shed right my question is this vehicle we've discussed this on this show many times
that a lot of times a vehicle can be more of a nuisance for a killer to dispose of than a body right and I
couldn't find any reports of stating hey this kid's still missing but we found his car here or found it there uh no
mention of this vehicle now obviously what we do know so far in this story Captain is that some of the
motivations for the murders of these teenage boys conducted by Dean coral and now what we believe one or two
accomplices especially for Dean these motivations would be sadism torture mutilation amongst other things and we
should discuss some of this but I do want to be clear here we really wanted to minimize this portion of the
discussion of the the physical torture that Dean Coral actually inflicted on his victims not only because the details
are stomach turning but because the families of these poor boys have suffered enough hearing the fates of
their loved ones and in fact most of the families could not manage to sit through
the court proceedings that would come later because they were just too horrific right and this information is
widely known on the internet if you really want to dive into it yes and in order to convey just how monstrous and
evil Dean Coral was we do unfortunately need to get to some of the facts what would happen is coral would get the boys
into his apartment and somehow incapacitate them we mentioned some different things here it seems to me
Captain that he had two different emos and I think what we have here is before he had his little accompli Dean you know
David Brooks and Wayne Henley right who would later help him I think his original emo was you know what I'm going
to get some teenage boys back here I'm going to let them party maybe it's one boy maybe it's two I'm going to get him
drunk let him smoke some stuff let him Huff some stuff and the way that it was described later by Wayne and David
Brooks is that during these Party Times Dean would kind of sit back and and let the teenagers really go at it let them
really party down while he was just kind of waiting and these are also let's just
assume that these teenagers are not they're they're probably not drinking often they're probably not smoking this
much pot that often probably definitely not huffing this paint so we're talking about really getting these guys
incoherent yeah and I think for at least before he had Wayne and David Brooks helping him I think the whole Mo was to
let these kids kind of party and wait till they pass out and once they pass out well I can tie him up put handcuffs
on them strap them to the torture board whatever you know I'm he's in control at
that point and then I think Theo changed a little bit once he had the accomplices
and I think that was for a couple of reasons like you talked about earlier Brooks talked about how Dean moved
around a lot mhm and so you'd think that Dean would want to be out like in the middle of nowhere so just in case they
did wake up and scream or whatever cuz there's actually no reports of people hearing things that I could find right
actually the the things that I found according to Brooks and Henley were that often Dean Coral would tape duct tape
the mouths closed of the victims right and he would leave the duct tape on I guess on a couple of occasions he took
it off because he was sick enough he wanted to hear the screams but he would when he would do that he would turn up
his stereo system all the way so that you know Neighbors on the outside all they ever heard was was the stereo music
yeah I think what's what's what's shocking and I think what's changing too when we talk about his Mo I think once
he had the help of these two teenage boys I think Dean was kind of spiraling out of control in the sense that he was
he would get a little sloppy because now he has the these kids bringing so many kids over to his apartment right where I
think at I think before it was more difficult for this grown man to talk a teenager or two or three to come back to
his apartment now once you have somebody that they know you know somebody that they've talked to they're the ones doing
the inviting not this not this 20s something 30-some man right and so I think it was easier for a lot of
potential victims to enter his home his residence and I I think that made him lose a bit of control in a sense that I
I think he wanted to kill a lot more than he actually did again this is years before technology of cell phones and and
things like that so once you had them in your house there's no way that they could connect with the outside world mhm
and I think the Handcuff trick um was something that they started doing because he could get the boys his
accomplishes to talk the other boys into doing this handcuff thing with them right and I think it was a way of Dean
look this is his drug unfortunately sexually assaulting torturing and killing these teenage boys is what he is
addicted to that's why he ended up doing it so many times right and I think what
we see here is in the old days he had to sit back and wait and let the kids party
until they would pass out and I think once he had the help of these two teenagers he no longer could wait he
couldn't just sit back andit wait he couldn't stand to wait an hour or two or three for the kids to pass out instead
he had to incorporate this handcuff game so we could get to this this Terror as soon as possible but it all escalates
anyways because you're you're paying these teenager boys to perform sexual acts on you and that's not enough okay
so now we have to escalate it to uh tying them up now we have to escalate that to well we don't want them to be as
drugged you know what I mean like that's the escalation and I think especially with the Handcuff trick it was once once
they realized I think he kind of got off on the idea of once the the victim realized
I I'm stuck this was a bad mistake this was a trick to get me into this position
right I think he got off on on seeing that fear right well regardless of how he incapacitated the victim once they
were incapacitated it was all over for the victim Coral would then strip and strip and strap them to that torture
board where he would then rape and torture the victim he would on occasion keep these boys alive for extended
periods some of the tortures included castration large object penetration chewing on the genitals or using a dull
knife on them electric shock with exposed wire inserting tiny glass rods into the penis and then breaking
them with his fist or a hammer the boys died from either gunshot or strangulation another torture device
that was used were the wooden boxes that were found remember they had air holes in them it was reported that these boxes
were used to imprison the kids and torture them uh when asked why Coral killed the boys heny told police it was
because Coral wanted to have sex with them but then they resisted of course you and I know that that's probably
there's probably much much more to that story right and of course the boys were often forced to write letters or to call
home telling their parents that they had left or that they were in another city now I said that we were going
to not go through all this stuff in detail and minimize the torture and the discussion of it I want to be clear as
gruesome as all that stuff sounded we did minimize what is actually reported in this right now we should talk about the
bodies because there were more bodies and Henley and Brooks were asked to make list uh when they were being questioned
by police of every boy that they could recall that ended up being a victim Henley at this point volunteered some
more crucial information and he stated that more than just the boat shed there were
other burial sites apparently Dean Coral's father owned or rented a cabin up at Lake Sam Rayburn and some of the
bodies were buried nearby Henley accompanied investigators to the lake Sam Raburn area after getting his
bearings he showed them a spot in a heavily wooded area near a dirt road and to another area about half a mile away
down the dirt road each of these sites contain bodies one of which he recalled was Billy Lawrence the next day Henley
LED them to the same wooded area and showed them another grave site which he said contained two bodies all four of
these bodies showed signs of extreme violence investigators searched the cabin that Henley and Brooks said Coral
used on occasion there they found several items of Interest including another torture board shovels a sheath
of plastic wrap a rubber gloves and a sack of lime more intriguingly was a handdrawn map which according to the
local sheriff appeared to be of quote possible new grave sites end quote pinpointing several areas in the San
Kinto National Forest in Southwest Texas what's interesting here though Captain is there is no indication in the sources
available that any kind of inves ation was done pursuant to the map that was found uh meaning meaning do like d they
didn't go look for anything that was on that map even though we have the local sheriff publicly stating that they are
quote possible new grave sites and quote then there was finally uh one last burial area Henley directed
investigators to an area on High Island near galvaston and told them that six bodies uh that he knew of were scattered
up and down the beach now this took a massive effort but eventually a total of six bodies were in fact found curiously
accompanying the two bodies were an extra arm bone and an extra pelvis bone indicating the likelihood of at least
one other unknown victim right all in all police recovered 27 bodies of young males from three burial sites the top
forensic pathologist in Harris County emphasized that identifying all of the victims would be very difficult they had
no definitive list of names to work with here Captain so the big question here with 27 bodies of young males buried in
three different sites is how did he get away with it how did Dean Coral operate right underneath Authority's noses
plucking boys right out from their own neighborhoods often in broad daylight how did this go unnoticed for years
years well on top of that it's like there are missing kids right that it seems like they're not following any of
those leads but then you also have this individual that nobody even suspected really no and they thought he was a nice
guy they thought he was an upstanding citizen he was a he was a guy that was always employed always seemed to have
money the only thing that would seem weird on the outside is that you know a lot of neighbors that he had over the
years said the man did hang out with a lot of young quote hippie types mhm referring to the
teenage boys that he was hanging out with one thing that I found very strange amongst all the other strange things is
all in all 20 of the victims were associated with the heights with that neighborhood right uh being either from
there or from an adjacent neighborhood now the heights itself is only about 2 mil by 3 miles so a tiny area right and
so and get this eight boys were killed between June 1st and August 4th of 1973 alone and five of them were from the
heights what I'm getting at is that nobody seemed to observe a pattern of teenage boys disappearing from this very
specific area at an alarming rate right you would think at some point there would be curfews and don't go anywhere
without your buddies and the fact that Brooks is involved and Henley is involved
these are high school aged kids yeah so you again that's now June so we could assume they're out of school at that
point but well they were both dropouts so they didn't really care about school too much well but what I mean by that is
they're still at the age where you think there would be rumors started oh yeah about one of the one of the two guys I
think ultimately he was able to get away with so much because not only was Coral
outgoing friendly funny considered neat and even witty right it it really helped
that Coral was in the company of Henley and Brooks I think that the the kids the
boys in the Heights uh area they knew both Henley and Brooks and they felt comfortable hanging out with this man
that was a longtime friend of these two teenage boys mhm now the other thing though too is and this is reflective of
the time okay okay and I don't want to get into this long argument or debate about
homosexuality versus pedophilia they're two Nick understands they're two completely different separate things
okay homosexuals good pedophiles bad Nick gets that so when I when I State these things Nick also talks in third
person well I don't want anybody to think that I'm that I'm down you know that I'm being rude to any Community
other than the pedophiles right right because I'm no at no time in my life did I ever believe that the two were
connected right you know there are heterosexual pedophiles and homosexual pedophiles and by most
accounts Dean Coral was both homosexual and a pedophile okay so what I'm getting
at here though is in the early 70s and in Texas that would have raised red flags on its own just him being
homosexual right another thing that I think helped him get away with so much stuff was it wasn't known that he was
homosexual right not to the adults Betty Watkins was his girlfriend by from what most people thought right
that helped him as well and you made that noise earlier when I described her two sons who knows what evil plans he
actually had in mind for her sons who knows maybe he sought her out or sought somebody out that had boys that would
eventually mature into an age that he was attracted which happens often but but but also it in a way since she is
Technically she's just a coverup they're not intimate so one could argue that's not even a real relationship so she's a
cover up but the fact that she has boys of a little bit older of age that's a cover up too you know it's like oh well
well yeah he's he he hasn't done anything to them right so therefore you know uh he doesn't do anything bad to
anybody and the thing here though is while the adults in the neighborhood and the adults the parents of a lot of the
teenagers that Dean Coral hung out with didn't know that Dean was homosexual M the kids did the teenagers that hung out
with him it was later reported that it was quote an Open Secret amongst the area youths that Coral would pay for
oral sex and in fact many of the kids engaged in what they called gay for pay with Dean coral and what I'm getting at
is when we're talking about how did some man so evil get away with such horrible
stuff for so long that's when you you sit there and you read these stories and you piece them together and you're going
man if somebody somewhere there was people that had thousands of red flags right there was so many red flags if
somebody just would have said something to the right person at the right time maybe some of this could have been
avoided maybe they did though I mean this is also I mean we live in an age right now where everybody's kid is
freaking special and they have to have a name that was made up you know moonflower you know nobody has common
names this is back in the 70s where there was a million Steves and a million you know Nicks and and and parents just
didn't listen to their kids as much so there could have been these rumors happening there could have been
conversations that they had with their parents that they just uh brushed aside and any one of these
rumors or allegations could have stopped a lot of this well and one thing that I
would point to that was so disturbing and so just mindboggling is that we had Dorothy hillig the the the mother she
tells police that hey I heard a rumor that that my son may have got into a GTX vehicle and there's GTX vehicle driving
around my neighborhood and here's the license plate and that was never never looked up nobody bothered to look that
up to see or they did look it up or they did insult the name and didn't care right and they go oh he's he's
upstanding citizen and he his family owns a candy factory well obviously Captain the public outcry about the
Houston mass murders brought to light many of the missing boys parents' frustrations with the fact that police
mostly ignored their pleas for help now granted in that time period there were no computers at the police department
that would have alerted officers to the number of missing boys there were no Amber Alerts being broadcast that would
have set off alarms with the public no Internet connecting missing kids parents with other parents in the same boat well
and also when you have a missing 15year old or 16y old or 17-year-old this is a different time this is a time that
people got done with high school and they either went to college or they started a life they got a career they
were married by 18 19 so you're talking about not that far away from being an adults so there was probably a lot of
runaway situations as well there was though a complete lack of recognition that there was a problem here I mean
this is this simply indicates an extreme police incompetence or at the very least
disinterest in these missing reports yeah I agree but I also kind of disagree because I like you said with the
technology they don't know they don't know that there's Mass kids missing that that's all I'm saying I I don't want to
throw them under the bus and say they they just just didn't do [ __ ] well parent after parent came forward and
blasted the Houston Police for their tunnel vision that the boys were simply runaways and the rebuttal police chief
Herman short met with the Press after the bodies were found he said his Department was underfunded and could not
possibly look into the over sorry the over 5,000 annual cases of missing kids that were reported in Houston and stated
uncategorically that any claims that Houston PD had dropped the ball on looking for missing kids was UN untrue
now of course in some of the cases a portion of the blame does lie with the parents and according to to Chief short
some of the boys who Coral's would end up being Coral's victims they were never even reported missing at all right in
some other cases one could probably make an argument that the parents were not paying much attention to what their sons
were doing and they should probably know the whereabouts of their children and the company that they kept or maybe just
report them missing well and the sheriff concluded by saying that he planned a department Crackdown on hitchhiking this
likely because when Henley in an interview right after the discovery of the bodies told the media you've got to
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Harris County grand jury was convened regarding these cases principal Witnesses included Tim Curley and Ronda
Williams who presumably testified to the events of the night of Dean Coral's death in
August mhm another witness came in with a grocery bag over his head to hide his identity squares cut out so he could see
this was Billy ridinger whose life Brooks claimed to have saved now we don't know what ridinger testified about
we can only imagine that he suffered terrible and traumatic sexual abuse at the hands of Dean Coral before being
released but if ringer would have gone to the authorities at that time again another situation of who knows how many
boys could have been saved but he didn't and perhaps Dean Coral had some kind of
hold over him or perhaps he was so deeply ashamed that he couldn't bring himself to tell anyone B now the grand
jury wasted little time indicting Henley and Brooks after 6 hours of deliberation
it returned true bills against both boys all in all they both received multiple indictments efforts by defense attorneys
to get the young men freed on bail failed thank God and a psychiatric evaluations were ordered Henley was not
charged in the murder of Dean Coral but he was charged in the murder of others right then 12 Grand jurs who indicted
Henley and Brooks for M murder went off the grid and issued an explosive report that criticized the police and the
district attorney saying their investigation left unexplored the possible involvement of others and
related criminal activities in the course of pre-trial hearings some very interesting new
information emerged Dean Coral kept keys he collected from boys whom he entertained at his home police found 75
to 100 keys I couldn't get an exact number because it varied lowest number I found
75 highest number 100 but they found somewhere between 75 and 100 keys in a box at the Lamar Street home where he
last lived before being shot Henley stated to investigators that one of Dean Coral's motivations for retaining the
keys of his victims had been that he would subsequently burglarize their homes so this is where my mind jumps to did he
did Dean label each key so he would know which key would match up to which house
right right yeah cuz you can't just go up to a door and then fumble through 75 Keys looking for the right one mhm well
Henley and Brooks they were tried separately at the trial Tim Curley testified to what happened on the night
Henley shot Dean Coral he said his life was saved when Henley killed Coral of course his life would have never been in
danger in the first place if Henley hadn't delivered him right to that apartment now Rhonda testified as well
but she did so behind closed doors because keep in mind she was still a juvenile at this time Billy ridinger
testified as to what was done to him after being lured by Henley and Brooks the prosecution called dozens of
witnesses and introduced 82 pieces of evidence including Coral's torture board and one of the boxes used to transport
the victims a Houston Police chemist testified that Henley's hair was found on a discarded clothing of one of the
victims and in one of the plywood boxes used by the trio to transport bodies his
hair was also found on a device used to torture the victims before they were killed mhm Henley's attorneys did not
put up much of a defense and Henley did not testify his confession was accepted as solid evidence against him it was
read in full fool to the jury the jury found Henley guilty on six counts he received six consecutive 99-year
sentences his accomplice David Brooks received one 9year sentence did he say so so you're saying there's a chance
there's a chance if he can live a 100 additional years in Henley's case the prosecutor said in his closing arguments
that he apologized for not being able to seek the death penalty because the case
was the most extreme example of human of man's inhumanity to man that he had ever
seen yeah Henley's request for parole have been denied there is no question that Wayne Henley and David Brooks
deserve to be punished severely for their roles in the abduction torture and deaths of 27 28 boys but one has to
question whether the two would have received the same sentences if Dean Coral was still alive
right he would have assumably taken the brunt of the legal justice and perhaps Henry Henley and Brooks would have then
been seen less culpable in mere boys who fell under the influence of the dominance of this monster well they're
definitely victims they're right they're victims but again this is this is also the weird terminology as far as sex
trafficking that some people just view it as that you um you you kidnap somebody that that you sell them to a
different place they go into hiding no part of sex trafficking is is having control over an individual in their
Community yeah so essentially this would fall under those terms you know yes they
helped with those crimes but they helped those crimes under basically being held
hostage on some level level but but at what point do you you you have to understand that they're victims and you
have to you know you have to sympathize with that part and they probably never would have done what they did if it
wasn't for Dean but they at what point how many victims at some point you have to say you are responsible for these
actions and and and face the charges this is one of those rare cases where the where one person two people are both
victim and monster it's very rare that you see that but this is a prime example of a case where somebody is both the
victim and the monster just like you said how many times until you stop being the victim and you become the monster
right and and again there there might have been something in Dean's past where maybe he was tortured by a older
gentleman that's possible but again you can't um you can't have some kind of trauma that happened to you when you're
younger and then go and murder people and then it's okay because you were a victim first and I actually you know I
throw that question out there of would their sentences have been less I think we have a situation here where there was
no death penalty at the time and so I don't know that how much more severe Dean Coral sentence could have been now
there would have been a chance that they may have needed both both boys to testify against Dean coral and maybe
that would have helped create a shorter sentence for either boy however I think if I think without Dean Coral being dead
I don't think any of this comes to light meaning I think in some weird way both boys feared and felt protected by Dean
Coral at the same time and I think this confession that started with Henley only
really came about because he shot and killed Dean coral and he was forced to talk to police about that specific
incident of course and and the the it's very odd here because if that girl doesn't get her
mouth free if if she is not able to talk Henley into helping her you know so therefore she is you know a hero on some
level but on some level Henley's a hero because he he did put an end this and there was enough Humanity left in his
brain to to stop this at some point one thing we haven't talked about but we did
mention that it was going to be extremely difficult was identifying all of these dead bodies of course
identification of all of the bodies found would be extremely difficult most of these kids had never been
fingerprinted and they were decayed by the time that they were found right many of them had no dental records there was
of course no DNA testing at the time either now the number of deaths Coral was blamed for would fluctuate as
authorities tried to determine who all these bodies were mhm one of these complicated identification situations
arose just a month after Coral was shot the wardrop family identified and buried
their two sons both victims of coral they buried their sons in a graveyard in Atlanta on Friday SE September 7th 1973
the walr received a shocking telephone call that there had been a mistake the two boys that the Waldrop took back from
Houston and buried in Atlanta were not their children there had been a mixup in the identification and the wrong bodies
were sent to Atlanta an official in the district attorney's office said that the
bodies buried in Atlanta were those of mol Winkle I'm sorry Mali Winkle and David hillig nearly 2 weeks after the
discovery of the terrible mixup the body exchange was accomplished now by the time of Henley's trial in 1974 21 of the
bodies were positively identified but the body of John Manning sers was controversial his body was one of the
six found on High Island but it didn't fit the pattern of the other bodies attributed to Dean Coral MH first of all
the corpse was clothed the others were found naked and is was found several miles down the beach from the other five
victims and sers was killed with a high power powered rifle whereas the other 26
were either shot or strangled shot with a 22 M sellers was reported missing on July 12
1973 his burned out car was found in Starks Louisiana a week later the medical examiner testified that he did
not believe that sellers was one of Dean Coral's victims so this could possibly take the number of people killed by
Coral to 26 and not 27 but sellers is listed as one of Coral's victims on most list on Wikipedia they have Deen Coral's
list at 28 plus so meaning that he might have more than 28 victims well then Captain there is an individual named
Mark Scott in 1994 more than two decades after after the murders the medical examiner office presented the Scots with
remains that they said they believed were marks based on early versions of DNA identification the family had the
remains cremated and placed in a family crypt at Brookside Memorial but were not
still convinced that they were given the right boy the medical examiner's office
kept a single bone from The Remains Sharon Derek visited the Scots and took a DNA sample from Mark's brother Jeff
and what she would later describe as one of the saddest moments of her career she
returned to the Scots home and told them the DNA from Jess swab did not match the
DNA that came from the bone the conclusion was inescapable Mark was somewhere else and was not the body
lying in the family crypt do we know where FY Malik was at around 74 during 74 I mean was he in Texas
because that's a good question this has FY ridden all over it yeah cuz boys on the tracks was what
80 86 87 yeah well it's thought that Mark's remains are probably still at High Island on the beach remember um we
talked about how difficult the search was for the bodies there and we also need to point out too that eventually
later um this whole area was submerged partially underwater during Hurricane Ike so because of that and because
because of the original difficulty Factor I've got to believe that unfortunately I don't think Mark will
ever be found right the boy whose remains were buried in the Scott family crypt turned out to be stepen sikman a
17-year-old last seen walking down West 34th Street shortly before midnight on July 19th 1972 sik men's mother reported
her son missing shortly after his disappearance but police were unwilling to conduct a search for him telling the
mother that the youth was 17 years old and that unless they found a body there was nothing they could do to assist her
siik men of course was murdered by coral and his henchmen right by the late 2000s
amazingly three sets of remains still remained unidentified Sharon Derek a forensic anthropologist has made it her
mission to identify the last of Coral's victims good for her well go ahead last of what was dug up because we do have
this map where they didn't do digging yeah and and look if if we have we have this guy that carries out the mo
constantly pretty much the same you know maybe he'll teeter totter on well I'll shoot him this time and not strangle him
this time but the mo is most often the same so then we have evidence that this guy has 75 to 100 keys of possible
victims so on Wikipedia you put 28 plus well that's there's a lot more than that and I'd say the number is probably
between 75 and 100 I I bet you regarding that map that they found at the cabin you're probably talking
anywhere from three to half a dozen more victims just on that map alone right that are never going to get any justice
and there could be as simple as was there a missing person you know reported in this family and was their house at
some point was something stolen from their house there wouldn't be any Breakin but just right there would be
enough evidence for your family to go this missing person that we never saw again possibly was a victim of Dean well
more regarding Sharon Derek who I think is one of the few heroes in this sad story um eventually she was and has been
in contact with all of the families and you know these are people that believe that their child may have been a victim
but whose body has not been found so she has pursued all of the missing person's
reports filed in the area between 1970 and 1973 one thing not done by the police as well as others sent to her by
parents of missing Boys in 2008 3 7 years after the murders one family finally got closure Sharon Derek showed
a photo of a facial reconstruction of an anonymous victim to David Brooks who was
sitting in prison Brooks stared at the photo and said he didn't know who the boy was but he knew how he had died he
drew a map of an intersection in the Heights shepher in 13th Street and he pointed to a particular corner where the
boy had lived Sharon and Derek realized that that was the home of a boy who disappeared in 1971 and whose frantic
mother filed a missing person's report 2 days later this was Randall Harvey he was only 15 when he left to ride his
bike to a gas station his body was found in the boat shed his mother had died but
his sisters were overcome with the news that they had finally identified his body in 2010 two writers who were
working on a book about the case raised a question about the date of death of the boy who was buried as Michael Bulch
they noted from the police and autopsy reports that the boy buried as Michael was found largely skeletonized
suggesting that he had died in early 1972 but Michael didn't go missing until July of
1973 the medical examiner obtained a DNA sample from another Bulch sibling and ran it against the DNA
profiles belonging to the two unidentified bodies in the unmarked grave the test revealed that one of them
was in fact Michael Balch the problem was of course Michael had been buried alongside his brother Billy in Woodlong
Garden Of Memories Cemetery years earlier so who was the body buried in the grave labeled Michael Balch the
medical examiner had a list of names possible victims called from missing persons reports in the area at the time
M it wasn't until 2011 that the boy buried as Michael Bulch was finally identified after exhuming the remains
and conducting DNA testing he was identified as Roy Bunton Roy left work in a shoe store in the Northwest Mall
and never was seen again bunton's family feared that he was one of Dean Coral's victims and they provided a description
of him to the medical examp ster but they were never able to identify or find him because he was buried with incorrect
identification now this only leaves one victim remaining unidentified and he remains so to this day this is a victim
who has been called the swimsuit boy because he was wearing a brightly colored swimming trunks when his body
was found okay he was also wearing an unusual T-shirt with a piece symbol on the back and what appears to be some
kind kind of military lettering on the front and cowboy boots he was 5' 5 in or maybe 5' 6 in tall and he had brown hair
there is a reconstruction of his face it has been made available online Sharon Derek says she believes swimsuit boy
likely came from the Houston area now we have our thoughts Captain we've been talking off mic about this
case a little a little bit um would we like to throw some of our thoughts on here
because the first thing that I think about when I think of the story of Dean Coral the the
Candyman was and that's why I included some of those more well-known names in the trailer gasy dmer and so on is that
Dean Coral he's not as well known as some of these other monsters but he's simply equal to all of them he's he
should be feared and hated as much as as all of these others and in fact one thing you and I kept kind of coming back
to is that he and gayy shared very similar MOS yeah on many different levels it's almost like the same Mo and
and and really you just wonder because this happened early in 70 was gasy reading about this going hey that that
makes some sense let me do that yeah and even just the fact that they would both
let's take the killing out of it completely let's take the Handcuff trick out of it completely just the fact that
both of them were attracted to teenage boys and had the idea of well let's how about I just party with them how about I
invite him over to my house and let's feed them some beers and and drink and smoke pot and stuff like that on both of
them there's some evidence that shows that both of them could have been involved in sex trafficking of these
young boys and did Dean get these ideas or gasy get these ideas cuz they're from
different areas now Dean was was actually born in Indiana which would have been close to gasy yeah so is there
some connection as far as sex trafficking where they got these ideas from people they possibly were selling
victims to well and unfortunately and I've said it here before and I'll say it again unfortunately these serial killers
they learn from one another they do study one another and specifically there was a killer that
was interviewed by John Douglas and John Douglas says hey I brought up the idea of did you read about serial killers and
the he said the killer looked at him like he was a [ __ ] right he said look man you growing up you read the backs of
baseball cards studying stats right he goes same thing I did but I didn't care about baseball I I cared about killing
even at a young age I was reading about these killers and learning what to do and learning what not to do so that I
could get away with it for longer MH well let's get to some of the aftermath of this whole thing so Dean Arnold Coral
was laid to rest in August of 1973 in a quiet 15minute service at Pasadena's Grand View Memorial Park this is going
to sicken all of us remember he did serve in the military for a very brief stint so the American flag was removed
removed from his casket and given to his father before the casket was lowered into the grave he did receive a military
burial a sunset United Methodist Church Reverend conducted the services among the small group of relatives and friends
at the quiet burial were half a dozen members of Coral's immediate family including his mother and his grandmother
the coral story isn't talked about much in Houston today now we have Mary West Dean Coral's mother she continued to
exhibit denial even 20 years after the fact telling the Houston Chronicle that she believed that Wayne Henley and David
Brooks actually did the killings and she thinks that Henley should have stood trial for murdering her son Tim Curley
who survived Dean's torture board after being delivered by Wayne Henley as fresh
meat gave his only his one and only interview to a Houston television station in
2008 saying quote I have two choices either accept it and move on or kill myself according to a close relative
curly SP spiraled downward after the interview drinking heavily and suffering from his own form of post-traumatic
shock in March of 2009 Curley died reportedly of a heart attack he was 55 years old now as we've pointed out us
plus some in law enforcement do think that there are more bodies out there but law enforcement have resigned themselves
to the likelihood that they will never be found so remember all of those missing persons reports that came into
the juvenile division of Houston PD you have to wonder did some of these individuals run into Dean
Coral that's when you ask yourself how many more could possibly be out there now whenever Henley and Brooks applied
for parole the parents of all of their victims were forced to relive the horrific murders as they wrote letters
to the state parole board objecting to the release of the men who killed their sons finally in 2015 a law was passed
allowing the parole board to limit parole request to every 10 years Brooks will be up again in
20128 Henley in 2025 what a sick bastard I'm never eating candy again yeah everybody be safe on
your trick treat night everybody be safe make sure there's no razor blades in your candy make sure you take out all
the razor blades the we do want to thank everybody Captain all of our social media friends for their Instagram
stories all the people that go to the website and join in the discussion on the blog yeah people on Facebook that
repost uh about the show and same with Twitter as well and that's why every week the captain says thanks for
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The episode details Dean Coral's murders, his accomplices, and the systemic failures that allowed the crimes to continue unchecked.

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The Horrific Crimes of Dean Coral. Exploring the chilling details of Dean Coral's victims and methods.
The Open Secret. Dean Coral's homosexuality was an open secret among local youths, complicating the narrative of his crimes.
Police Incompetence. The investigation into the missing boys was marred by police incompetence and disinterest.
The Mix-Up. A shocking identification mix-up led to the wrong bodies being buried, causing further grief for families.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Dean Coral tortured, raped, and strangled the boy.

Describing the fate of a victim.

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